WEBVTT - Murder He Wrote 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.840 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:04.120 with Reisent Choice Media. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.440 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:16.239 Love is a responsibility because you make a commitment. Love 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.360 is that I'm here for you are as our friend. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.360 And we were talking about her earlier, Tony Morrison said, 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:27.280 you know, love is a bench, and a bench is 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.800 something that no matter what, when you're tired, when you're sad, 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.239 you can sit. It's going to be right there and 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.680 it's got your back. And that's what love is. Love's 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:37.320 got your back. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.800 Oh, the beautiful words of the poet Nikki Giovanni, who 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:47.839 passed away sadly this week but lived a wonderful life, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.519 and so we wanted to open the show with that. 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.800 Welcome home, y'all. This is episode fifty seven of Native 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:56.640 Land Pod. Those words love is a bench that's got 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:58.720 your back. I want you to know Angela, and you 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.000 to know Andrew, I love you and I got your back. 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.280 Any thoughts on the luminary Nikki Giovanni. 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.760 Just praise as you rest in peace. She died due 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.240 to complications with lung cancer and right now I think 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.280 always how I feel about cancer is Bugget, So I 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:18.000 hate to see her suffer at all, and I am 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.720 so grateful for the contributions, the great contributions of the 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:22.640 activist input. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.120 Nikki Giovanni, Yeah. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:30.399 Just echoed that. Just an amazing human, selfless in so 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:35.600 many ways, but also really protective of her space, her piece, 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:42.680 her privacy. But through her artistic work, her poems and books, 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:46.840 I think revealed the whole tremendous amount about herself through 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.000 her through her art, and so we'll miss her, but 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:54.640 for generations, her work will live on. So long as 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:58.480 Tiffany Angela, we can stop all this book banning across 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:00.800 the country where they're trying to extract her words out 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:05.320 of schools and our children's knowledge. So but thankful. 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.480 Yeah, my favorite clip of her is her responding to 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.480 Bill Cosby. So I just got a chance to watch 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.000 that this week. We don't have time to talk about 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:13.920 it today, but I encourage you all to google it 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.440 because the way that she rode for young revolutionaries was 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.640 something beautiful to see and something we should all I 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:24.000 think reflect on. A mimic. All right, let's get into it. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:25.040 What do we talk about today? 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:27.640 Well, we have a lot. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:29.480 I think what has been top of mind for so 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.560 many of us is what in the hell happened right 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.880 where we record our podcast in New York. Right outside 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.120 there was a CEO of course the United Healthcare that 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:44.000 was shot and killed by someone. There's a suspect in 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.520 custody right now, and I. 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:47.440 Hope we're going to talk about that. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.160 Why, why people have been callous in their response, why 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:51.680 the healthcare system is callous? 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:52.720 And where do we go from here? 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.640 Yeah? Yeah, well I'm interested not only in that, but 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.240 the IG report that recently came came out this week 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:06.680 talking about the first Trump administration where they, of course 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.480 his Department of Justice blue through the guardrails and uh 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.639 wire well got the phone records, subpoena phone records, text 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.919 messages of members of Congress of their own administration, and 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.760 what that may foretell for the second Trump administration. 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:24.359 And just to be clear, Andrew, you're talking about the 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.959 Department of Justice IG, not Instagram for those of y'all 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:28.240 who might confuse. 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:31.400 General. 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.880 I'm so sorry you got to tell us. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.280 Now that these phones is speaking of more phone true, 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.560 there is also a report out that is suggesting that 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.760 if you are in text communications between your Android friends, 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.840 the Green Bubbles and your iPhone friends, the Blue Bubbles, 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:50.880 Blue Bubbles for Life. 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.960 You might have some hacks coming from China. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:54.840 Mm hmm. 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:59.000 I want to talk very briefly about what's happened in Syria. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:00.880 Right before the show, Andrew and I were saying they 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:02.920 never put black people on air to talk about these things. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.240 So we'll give a brief primber on that. And why 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.000 do we care what's happening in Syria. I'll get into 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:09.840 that when we get started to the show. So so 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.480 happy y'all are joining us today this holiday season when 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.440 I know you could be tuning out the news, but 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.120 we give it to you straight and no chaser, in 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.080 a way that is digestible and informative and hopefully a 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.280 little entertaining with the shenanigans that I get to have 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:23.400 every week with my co host. 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.039 So welcome home, y'all, Oh, welcome home. 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.960 All right, what y'all want to talk about first? I 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.080 want to get into the healthcare thing, the healthcare shooting first. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:35.159 Is that good with you guys? 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:35.719 Yes? 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.440 Yeah, yeah, So we don't have to get into the 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.160 backstory unless you've been living under a rock at this point. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:45.359 You guys all know that Brian Thompson, the CEO of 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:50.880 United Healthcare, was gunned down on fifty fourth Street in 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.159 New York. This is midtown Manhattan. If you've been to 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:55.720 New York or No New York, you know this is 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.240 a very populated area, frequented by a lot of people. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.880 So I thought it was really interesting and the way 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:03.880 that the whole thing went down. I don't think this 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.080 story is over. I don't think we know everything, even 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:11.160 though there's a suspect in custody. I think more details 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:15.120 about this story will be coming out in the months 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.960 to come. But I like what Angela, what you pointed 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:25.000 out about the the callous response to all this. There 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.120 have been a lot of people making jokes about the murder. 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:30.720 Some people have said, you know, sorry, my thoughts and 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:35.360 prayers were denied, just like my son's medication was, which listen, 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:39.440 I completely understand uh that way, because for some people, 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.440 if you ever had a claim denied, it can be 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.320 an inconvenience. You know, you got to stay on the 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.960 phone longer for other That's what I was just about 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.960 to say. For other people is a life and death consequence. 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.599 And there was a really great piece in the New 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.400 Yorker this week that kind of broke that down. But 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.560 if we can't, I was. I was telling these guys 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.240 some things that I find interesting about the CEO, other 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.039 than he was fifty years old at the time he 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:07.560 was gunned down. He was under investigation he and some 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.880 other people at United Health or United Health. I keep 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:12.800 saying United health Care, but it's United Health. It was 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.480 under investigation by the DJ for accusations of insider trading. 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.520 He had sold more than fifteen million dollars worth of 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.560 company stock in February, shortly before it became public that 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.200 the DJ was investigating the company for anti trust violations, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.599 which caused the stock to drop significantly. He was also 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.200 living apart from his spouse at the time. This is 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:37.080 according to reporting from The Wall Street Journal. He and 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:42.680 his spouse were separated. And so you know, I'm only 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.360 offering information. I'm not suggesting anything. I just think there's 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.960 more to the story. And a lot has certainly come 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.080 out about the shooter. So a lot of strong feelings 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.320 on this on both sides. We've all dealt with the 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.719 healthcare system and it can be, like I said, quite 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.920 frustrating and heartbreaking. Angela. I'm curious your thoughts on this 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.440 because I think you have a unique lens one just 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.760 as somebody who's navigated the healthcare system, but also someone 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:12.400 who's worked on policy health care policy issues on on 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.040 Capitol Hill, and just as a thinking, feeling human being. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:18.120 How do you feel about it all? 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:19.560 Yeah, I am. 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.600 I actually didn't really touch health care policy as much, 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:27.440 but I will say the way that you know, Obamacare 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:32.960 was supposed to help us in understanding and navigating and 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:37.280 making health care access more equitable, we are still struggling 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.920 with that, well into this, into this, into this, into 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.520 a decade after, right, and we're still navigating this, And 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.400 I think that that is really really challenging. I think 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.320 right now, even as I go through the healthcare system 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.160 with my mom, I will just say, like I wish 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:01.480 that people were as thoughtful about everyone else's loved ones 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.280 as they would be with their own. I think this 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.640 is not that different than we were just talking about 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.520 last week with Joe Biden finding the compassion to pardon 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.560 his son and Reverend Jackson saying, hey, there are a 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.600 lot of other mothers and fathers out there who need 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.360 that same compassion exercise when you're considering their pardons. I 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:24.239 think it's no different with doctors and nurses and medical 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.920 team staff who are working on these cases. Someone could 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.760 be paralyzed if you make the wrong move. Someone could 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:32.920 lose their life if you make the wrong move, if 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.640 you deny this claim, And I think that we really 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.760 have to think about this in a much more compassionate way. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:43.400 It's not a partisan issue. Healthcare is a right, and 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.760 we've treated it like a privilege for a select few. 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:51.040 I'm eager to understand what the motivations would be of Luigi. 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:52.679 I can't pronounce his last name, should he? 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.200 Should it be j? Yeah? I don't know, I pronounce it. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:00.680 But what was the motivation? Yeah? What was the motivation 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:02.520 with him? Want? 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:07.600 Desiring? If he did kill? To kill the United Healthcare CEO? 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.040 And I guess yeah, I have more a lot more 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.440 questions than I have answers. I have compassion for those 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.839 who are interfacing with this system, but I can definitely 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:18.720 say the answer is. 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.880 Not blood for blood. 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:21.600 Uh. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:22.880 You know, there are a lot of times that are 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.480 my old Testament Christian, but killing somebody ain't one of them. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.200 I just ain't here for it, So I don't I 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.080 don't really understand the ways in which people are responding tip, 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:34.800 I know on the production car we were talking about 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.400 what the what the casing said, and I can't remember again, 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:38.439 deny is. 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:45.480 The yeah, uh it said deny defend the pose And 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:47.600 this was the message that was found on the nine 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.920 millimeter ammunition found at the scene of the shooting that 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:56.000 mimics the phrase delayed, deny defend, which is commonly used 0:09:56.040 --> 0:10:00.839 by lawyers and insurance industry critics to describe tactics used 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.760 to avoid paying down some of those claims. So but 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.480 I hear you, though, Angela, because the thing is, somebody 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.959 could just as passionately feel angry about people who wear fur. 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:16.600 You know, someone could be just as moved by woke politics. 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.320 Somebody could be just as moved by a climate change. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.600 And you're driving an SUV. So this idea that you 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.960 can just go around killing people, I think is definitely 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.240 something that we should be wary about. Andrew, curious your 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.800 thoughts here with with with this whole thing. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:36.560 I think I first separate compassion for him from this 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:40.199 larger healthcare crisis, even though his position put him at 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.560 a you know, at a particular intersection of of of 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:47.400 the situation. He was also a father of two children 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:53.440 who now don't have a dad, and I don't know 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.920 the man personally. I was at one point on United 0:10:55.920 --> 0:11:02.920 Health and so so I had thankfully it was during 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:07.120 my healthier years as a younger person. But I hear 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.120 really tragic and horrific stories again separting apart from this 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:15.880 tragic murder, but really horrific stories of people desiring or 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:22.800 needing rather being recommended by their physicians certain medications, certain treatments, 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:28.240 even certain procedures that are being recommended be done. And 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.040 the insurance industry, by and largest sort of tastes this 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:36.880 very skeptical umbudsmen like view of doctors, basically saying, oh, 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.520 they're just trying to overcharge, They're just trying to bill us, 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:44.960 They're just trying to take without giving any respect for 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.640 the fact that these folks have sworn an oath and 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.640 maybe they're keeping with their oath to save lives. And 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.600 so I really hate, I hate to see ourselves in 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.760 this place because I'll tell you, even locally, a county 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:02.079 commissioner in my city was being assized by a colleague 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.080 on the county commission because he posted something on his 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:11.200 social media that sympathized a little bit with the shooter, 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.000 and his colleague wrote a letter basically saying, this is 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.240 you know, inappropriate, you're a leader. This is back and forth, 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.440 but this is hitting every level of society. It's not 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.280 segregated to any one individual. And that's because that's how 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.120 big healthcare is. All of us have interface with it, 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.520 and so we're going through some emotions here. I do 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.559 want to talk about the alleged shooter for just a second, 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.600 which is everyone is like, you know, up in arms, like, oh, 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.240 he's such a promising young man. Someone is such a 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.920 bright future and could have been the change maker. And 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.320 I just wish journalists, and this is where I've largely 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.360 heard it would just take take an optimistic view of 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.880 everybody who finds themselves on the end of the accused, 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.400 take a more holistic look at the nature of their lives, 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.480 and stop either calling everybody mentally ill or that they 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.400 were a bad seed from the beginning. Show some compassion 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.160 that says, you know, everybody deserves to be looked at 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.520 in more complete ways, and not just for the worst 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.160 decision they made at the worst point in their lives. 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:12.679 I'm so happy you said that, Andrew, because the way 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.520 that they extend themselves to certain people's humanity and completely 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:17.640 ignore others. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:18.280 You know. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:24.000 Something that strikes me about this, and I encourage people 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.280 if you can. I don't know if it's behind the 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:27.840 paywall or not, but the thin piece in the New 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.240 York are about this talked about things. So this is 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.000 not a dis to this piece. I actually really enjoyed 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:36.880 reading it. But they talked about structural violence and the 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.320 type of violence that is acceptable in this country versus 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.559 the type of violence who isn't that isn't. And one 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.080 of the examples they give is like, okay, well, if 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:50.840 you blow up a corporate jets, you know, to protest that, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.480 you know, the one percent is responsible for all the 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:59.640 damage in the climate way out proportion to everybody else. 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.800 That's like, oh my gosh. But you can bypass all 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.000 the people who are directly impacted and even lose their 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.719 lives from climate change. Same with healthcare. You can look 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:10.640 at this act of violence and say, oh my god, 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.880 this man was gunned down and that is terrible, which 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.200 it absolutely is, but you can bypass the millions of 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.280 people over the years and millions, I mean to say, 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:24.000 millions who have lost their lives or had their lives 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:31.160 devastated because of a policy being denied or declined and 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.560 so right. And so when I was reading this, of 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:39.040 course I got it instantly, you know, I thought, yeah, 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.840 and I thought about it. Andrew from that perspective of 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.320 black folks get this all the time. We very well 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:49.760 understand structural violence because we have been on the receiving 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:54.080 end of it for so so long. And so it's 0:14:54.120 --> 0:15:00.000 kind of like you, violence is abhorrent in an individual store, 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.200 but acceptable. It's more palatable in the data. 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:04.600 Right. 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.720 So if you tell me ten thousand people in India 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.760 die today because of a flood, which is horrific, But 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.840 if you tell me one story of Sarah who lived 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.040 in India, who wanted to be a ballet dancer her 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.520 whole life, who loved cabbage patch dolls, and you know, 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.840 she dies, then it's all of a sudden right, right. 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.200 So the way that we process structural violence, I think 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.760 it's more of a philosophical discussion and evergreen discussion. So 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:31.920 I hope our listeners will have this. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.360 I also think it's a way of coping tiffity. I 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:39.080 think sometimes the massive nature of the you know, of 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:44.120 these larger instances or as you mentioned the statistics of it, 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.400 like what the data shows. You get to a point 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:51.200 where it is so inconceivable, it's so big, and in 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.560 order for your mind to cope, you almost have to 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:58.360 blanket it in this section. But the individual story you 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.440 can make room for you and I and I agree 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.320 with you. I think it's I think it's horrific. I 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.880 feel that very much so. The same way around gun violence, 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.520 I think, are you kidding me yet? Again? 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.480 Well, that's another discuss ghost guns, you know, because he 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.280 was by a ghost gun. And how might the GOP 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:21.600 respond to this also precisely, and the uptick in request 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.600 for security by CEOs and other people in the C 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:29.280 suite who traffic in this. It's a lot of issues 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.680 that will arise. My brother was asking me, He's like, 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.200 you know, I wonder that this will lead to change 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.240 in healthcare, and I said, I don't believe change happens 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:38.920 that way. I think what it will lead to is 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.600 more security contracts UH in the private sector to better 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.760 protect again their CEOs. We got to go to a break. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.440 But I you know, obviously, I just want to be 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.720 clear that our hearts and you know, our hearts go 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:55.120 out to his wife who survives them his children. Our 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.160 hearts equally go out to the millions of people who 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:02.680 have their lives devastated by a for profit healthcare system 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.439 that has not served people very well at all. So 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.520 on the other side of the break, we'll get into 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.360 why you should be very careful about who you're texting 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.760 and on what platform you're using to do that. So 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:15.440 don't go anywhere. But we right back. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:31.440 A Native landod. 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:32.000 It's Genie. 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.680 I'm in Orlando, Florida, and I just wanted to ask 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.560 a question you had mentioned on your podcast that you 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.000 posted the day before Thanksgiving, that you know y'all are 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:46.000 looking for what is our heritage foundation and what can 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.520 we do to grow an entity you know that can 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.000 affect change like they did, even though we don't want 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.000 to be like them. But you had said, oh, we 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:56.960 just need to get some white folks involved in I'm like, 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.879 here's I'm a white folk and I'm not going to 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.440 have any more money or any more of my time 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:06.080 or efforts into areas that I have done in the 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:10.080 past because they don't work and they're ineffective, and so 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:15.080 I am ready and willing to help if you know, 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.399 if y'all can educate me on you know what it 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.080 is that we can do. I love you guys. I 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.560 just listen all the time, and I learned something every 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.080 time I listen, and I appreciate everything that y'all do. 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.360 I know that this must be hard in this environment, 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.320 and I know that y'all are questioning whether you should 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:38.199 do it anymore. But it's just, oh my god, I 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.280 don't know what I would do without you guys. You know, 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:44.320 because you help, so I'm asking you to keep doing it. 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:48.600 And it's a huge ask, I know. So thanks so 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.120 much and for all that y'all do. I appreciate it. 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:51.880 Talk to you Sym. 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:58.760 There are some great things out of Florida, by the way, 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.000 But you know, we always, yeah, at least Tiffany and 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.680 Leonard always want to remind us of the you know, 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.880 the Achilles that exist stuff. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:10.840 I love her question. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:12.040 I love one of them. 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.760 Yeah, I thought that was a good question. Let me 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:16.800 make sure I understanding it correctly. You guys correct me 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.000 if I'm wrong. But she's asking, like, what is the 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.840 version of the Heritage Foundation on the left. 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.320 I think it was in response to episode we played 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.640 on sort of Project twenty twenty five and we talked 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:32.800 about the conservative infrastructure and that we needed one to 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:34.440 match it, and we kind of went through the history 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.639 of it, and I think she got perked by the 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:42.119 idea that we could you know, build something or maybe 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.680 direct people toward you know, one or so particular places. 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.040 Yeah, because I mean, I think there is infrastructure that 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.639 exists and can be built. Maybe this can be a 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:53.160 mini pod. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:53.639 I don't know. 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.720 I know we might talk about like what's happening with 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.919 the DNC chair race, but like I would argue like 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.600 Center for American FRI Progress, Black Voters Matter, or Brendan 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.480 Center for Justice, like all these organizations. But I also 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.560 heard her ask like what can she be doing? And 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.600 I you know, people ask us that a lot, and 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.199 my answers are always the same, and I feel like 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.480 I need to maybe devote some time for deeper thinking 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.959 because I'm always saying, well, there's GLTV efforts. You can 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.359 contribute a candidates to align with your values, even if 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.679 it's at the state legislature level, like whatever, you know, 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.879 if you give ten knowledge, you can door knock, you 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.359 can phone bank, you know. And I don't know, I 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:35.840 think people want a more immediate, more immediate gratification on 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.560 their efforts. So, Andrew, you ran for office? 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.600 Yeah no, you, Tiffany. I have a knee jerk reaction 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.639 similar to you, which is do something like there are 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:47.679 things that are out here and available. But you know, 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:51.119 what I haven't always appreciated is that everybody isn't the 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.880 doorknock person. Everyone isn't the get out front and lead 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:59.120 in that way. But there is something really for you, 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:01.679 depending upon what it is, you are most interested in, 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:04.520 what you feel most comfortable with. And I'll make this 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:08.760 recommendation and it's the un sexiest of all, but I 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.919 think probably the most impactful of all, and that is 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.040 to organize right where you are. Who are your group 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.040 of friends, your circle of influence, the people who know you, 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.640 love you, trust you. But in truth, when it comes 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.440 down to this politics thing and this public policy thing 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.760 and what it is we're going through, we're not always 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:32.280 having those conversations with our friends trying to open them up. 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.200 And if you know, Angela, you and I both think 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:37.920 sort of reflected on like what I hated most about 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:41.280 the outcome is the disconnect, like how can I don't 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:43.720 want to be blindsided by these things? And I think 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:46.480 we would be less blindsided if we were able to 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:50.119 have more conversations with people who are not necessarily in 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:52.919 our tribe, but are part of our fam And I 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.600