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Speaker 3: Love is a responsibility because you make a commitment. Love
Speaker 3: is that I'm here for you are as our friend.
Speaker 3: And we were talking about her earlier, Tony Morrison said,
Speaker 3: you know, love is a bench, and a bench is
Speaker 3: something that no matter what, when you're tired, when you're sad,
Speaker 3: you can sit. It's going to be right there and
Speaker 3: it's got your back. And that's what love is. Love's
Speaker 3: got your back.
Speaker 1: Oh, the beautiful words of the poet Nikki Giovanni, who
Speaker 1: passed away sadly this week but lived a wonderful life,
Speaker 1: and so we wanted to open the show with that.
Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode fifty seven of Native
Speaker 1: Land Pod. Those words love is a bench that's got
Speaker 1: your back. I want you to know Angela, and you
Speaker 1: to know Andrew, I love you and I got your back.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on the luminary Nikki Giovanni.
Speaker 4: Just praise as you rest in peace. She died due
Speaker 4: to complications with lung cancer and right now I think
Speaker 4: always how I feel about cancer is Bugget, So I
Speaker 4: hate to see her suffer at all, and I am
Speaker 4: so grateful for the contributions, the great contributions of the
Speaker 4: activist input.
Speaker 5: Nikki Giovanni, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Just echoed that. Just an amazing human, selfless in so
Speaker 6: many ways, but also really protective of her space, her piece,
Speaker 6: her privacy. But through her artistic work, her poems and books,
Speaker 6: I think revealed the whole tremendous amount about herself through
Speaker 6: her through her art, and so we'll miss her, but
Speaker 6: for generations, her work will live on. So long as
Speaker 6: Tiffany Angela, we can stop all this book banning across
Speaker 6: the country where they're trying to extract her words out
Speaker 6: of schools and our children's knowledge. So but thankful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my favorite clip of her is her responding to
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby. So I just got a chance to watch
Speaker 1: that this week. We don't have time to talk about
Speaker 1: it today, but I encourage you all to google it
Speaker 1: because the way that she rode for young revolutionaries was
Speaker 1: something beautiful to see and something we should all I
Speaker 1: think reflect on. A mimic. All right, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: What do we talk about today?
Speaker 5: Well, we have a lot.
Speaker 4: I think what has been top of mind for so
Speaker 4: many of us is what in the hell happened right
Speaker 4: where we record our podcast in New York. Right outside
Speaker 4: there was a CEO of course the United Healthcare that
Speaker 4: was shot and killed by someone. There's a suspect in
Speaker 4: custody right now, and I.
Speaker 5: Hope we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 4: Why, why people have been callous in their response, why
Speaker 4: the healthcare system is callous?
Speaker 5: And where do we go from here?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, well I'm interested not only in that, but
Speaker 6: the IG report that recently came came out this week
Speaker 6: talking about the first Trump administration where they, of course
Speaker 6: his Department of Justice blue through the guardrails and uh
Speaker 6: wire well got the phone records, subpoena phone records, text
Speaker 6: messages of members of Congress of their own administration, and
Speaker 6: what that may foretell for the second Trump administration.
Speaker 4: And just to be clear, Andrew, you're talking about the
Speaker 4: Department of Justice IG, not Instagram for those of y'all
Speaker 4: who might confuse.
Speaker 2: General.
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry you got to tell us.
Speaker 4: Now that these phones is speaking of more phone true,
Speaker 4: there is also a report out that is suggesting that
Speaker 4: if you are in text communications between your Android friends,
Speaker 4: the Green Bubbles and your iPhone friends, the Blue Bubbles,
Speaker 4: Blue Bubbles for Life.
Speaker 5: You might have some hacks coming from China.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I want to talk very briefly about what's happened in Syria.
Speaker 1: Right before the show, Andrew and I were saying they
Speaker 1: never put black people on air to talk about these things.
Speaker 1: So we'll give a brief primber on that. And why
Speaker 1: do we care what's happening in Syria. I'll get into
Speaker 1: that when we get started to the show. So so
Speaker 1: happy y'all are joining us today this holiday season when
Speaker 1: I know you could be tuning out the news, but
Speaker 1: we give it to you straight and no chaser, in
Speaker 1: a way that is digestible and informative and hopefully a
Speaker 1: little entertaining with the shenanigans that I get to have
Speaker 1: every week with my co host.
Speaker 6: So welcome home, y'all, Oh, welcome home.
Speaker 1: All right, what y'all want to talk about first? I
Speaker 1: want to get into the healthcare thing, the healthcare shooting first.
Speaker 1: Is that good with you guys?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So we don't have to get into the
Speaker 1: backstory unless you've been living under a rock at this point.
Speaker 1: You guys all know that Brian Thompson, the CEO of
Speaker 1: United Healthcare, was gunned down on fifty fourth Street in
Speaker 1: New York. This is midtown Manhattan. If you've been to
Speaker 1: New York or No New York, you know this is
Speaker 1: a very populated area, frequented by a lot of people.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was really interesting and the way
Speaker 1: that the whole thing went down. I don't think this
Speaker 1: story is over. I don't think we know everything, even
Speaker 1: though there's a suspect in custody. I think more details
Speaker 1: about this story will be coming out in the months
Speaker 1: to come. But I like what Angela, what you pointed
Speaker 1: out about the the callous response to all this. There
Speaker 1: have been a lot of people making jokes about the murder.
Speaker 1: Some people have said, you know, sorry, my thoughts and
Speaker 1: prayers were denied, just like my son's medication was, which listen,
Speaker 1: I completely understand uh that way, because for some people,
Speaker 1: if you ever had a claim denied, it can be
Speaker 1: an inconvenience. You know, you got to stay on the
Speaker 1: phone longer for other That's what I was just about
Speaker 1: to say. For other people is a life and death consequence.
Speaker 1: And there was a really great piece in the New
Speaker 1: Yorker this week that kind of broke that down. But
Speaker 1: if we can't, I was. I was telling these guys
Speaker 1: some things that I find interesting about the CEO, other
Speaker 1: than he was fifty years old at the time he
Speaker 1: was gunned down. He was under investigation he and some
Speaker 1: other people at United Health or United Health. I keep
Speaker 1: saying United health Care, but it's United Health. It was
Speaker 1: under investigation by the DJ for accusations of insider trading.
Speaker 1: He had sold more than fifteen million dollars worth of
Speaker 1: company stock in February, shortly before it became public that
Speaker 1: the DJ was investigating the company for anti trust violations,
Speaker 1: which caused the stock to drop significantly. He was also
Speaker 1: living apart from his spouse at the time. This is
Speaker 1: according to reporting from The Wall Street Journal. He and
Speaker 1: his spouse were separated. And so you know, I'm only
Speaker 1: offering information. I'm not suggesting anything. I just think there's
Speaker 1: more to the story. And a lot has certainly come
Speaker 1: out about the shooter. So a lot of strong feelings
Speaker 1: on this on both sides. We've all dealt with the
Speaker 1: healthcare system and it can be, like I said, quite
Speaker 1: frustrating and heartbreaking. Angela. I'm curious your thoughts on this
Speaker 1: because I think you have a unique lens one just
Speaker 1: as somebody who's navigated the healthcare system, but also someone
Speaker 1: who's worked on policy health care policy issues on on
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill, and just as a thinking, feeling human being.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about it all?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I am.
Speaker 4: I actually didn't really touch health care policy as much,
Speaker 4: but I will say the way that you know, Obamacare
Speaker 4: was supposed to help us in understanding and navigating and
Speaker 4: making health care access more equitable, we are still struggling
Speaker 4: with that, well into this, into this, into this, into
Speaker 4: a decade after, right, and we're still navigating this, And
Speaker 4: I think that that is really really challenging. I think
Speaker 4: right now, even as I go through the healthcare system
Speaker 4: with my mom, I will just say, like I wish
Speaker 4: that people were as thoughtful about everyone else's loved ones
Speaker 4: as they would be with their own. I think this
Speaker 4: is not that different than we were just talking about
Speaker 4: last week with Joe Biden finding the compassion to pardon
Speaker 4: his son and Reverend Jackson saying, hey, there are a
Speaker 4: lot of other mothers and fathers out there who need
Speaker 4: that same compassion exercise when you're considering their pardons. I
Speaker 4: think it's no different with doctors and nurses and medical
Speaker 4: team staff who are working on these cases. Someone could
Speaker 4: be paralyzed if you make the wrong move. Someone could
Speaker 4: lose their life if you make the wrong move, if
Speaker 4: you deny this claim, And I think that we really
Speaker 4: have to think about this in a much more compassionate way.
Speaker 4: It's not a partisan issue. Healthcare is a right, and
Speaker 4: we've treated it like a privilege for a select few.
Speaker 4: I'm eager to understand what the motivations would be of Luigi.
Speaker 4: I can't pronounce his last name, should he?
Speaker 5: Should it be j? Yeah? I don't know, I pronounce it.
Speaker 5: But what was the motivation? Yeah? What was the motivation
Speaker 5: with him? Want?
Speaker 4: Desiring? If he did kill? To kill the United Healthcare CEO?
Speaker 4: And I guess yeah, I have more a lot more
Speaker 4: questions than I have answers. I have compassion for those
Speaker 4: who are interfacing with this system, but I can definitely
Speaker 4: say the answer is.
Speaker 5: Not blood for blood.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, there are a lot of times that are
Speaker 4: my old Testament Christian, but killing somebody ain't one of them.
Speaker 4: I just ain't here for it, So I don't I
Speaker 4: don't really understand the ways in which people are responding tip,
Speaker 4: I know on the production car we were talking about
Speaker 4: what the what the casing said, and I can't remember again,
Speaker 4: deny is.
Speaker 1: The yeah, uh it said deny defend the pose And
Speaker 1: this was the message that was found on the nine
Speaker 1: millimeter ammunition found at the scene of the shooting that
Speaker 1: mimics the phrase delayed, deny defend, which is commonly used
Speaker 1: by lawyers and insurance industry critics to describe tactics used
Speaker 1: to avoid paying down some of those claims. So but
Speaker 1: I hear you, though, Angela, because the thing is, somebody
Speaker 1: could just as passionately feel angry about people who wear fur.
Speaker 1: You know, someone could be just as moved by woke politics.
Speaker 1: Somebody could be just as moved by a climate change.
Speaker 1: And you're driving an SUV. So this idea that you
Speaker 1: can just go around killing people, I think is definitely
Speaker 1: something that we should be wary about. Andrew, curious your
Speaker 1: thoughts here with with with this whole thing.
Speaker 6: I think I first separate compassion for him from this
Speaker 6: larger healthcare crisis, even though his position put him at
Speaker 6: a you know, at a particular intersection of of of
Speaker 6: the situation. He was also a father of two children
Speaker 6: who now don't have a dad, and I don't know
Speaker 6: the man personally. I was at one point on United
Speaker 6: Health and so so I had thankfully it was during
Speaker 6: my healthier years as a younger person. But I hear
Speaker 6: really tragic and horrific stories again separting apart from this
Speaker 6: tragic murder, but really horrific stories of people desiring or
Speaker 6: needing rather being recommended by their physicians certain medications, certain treatments,
Speaker 6: even certain procedures that are being recommended be done. And
Speaker 6: the insurance industry, by and largest sort of tastes this
Speaker 6: very skeptical umbudsmen like view of doctors, basically saying, oh,
Speaker 6: they're just trying to overcharge, They're just trying to bill us,
Speaker 6: They're just trying to take without giving any respect for
Speaker 6: the fact that these folks have sworn an oath and
Speaker 6: maybe they're keeping with their oath to save lives. And
Speaker 6: so I really hate, I hate to see ourselves in
Speaker 6: this place because I'll tell you, even locally, a county
Speaker 6: commissioner in my city was being assized by a colleague
Speaker 6: on the county commission because he posted something on his
Speaker 6: social media that sympathized a little bit with the shooter,
Speaker 6: and his colleague wrote a letter basically saying, this is
Speaker 6: you know, inappropriate, you're a leader. This is back and forth,
Speaker 6: but this is hitting every level of society. It's not
Speaker 6: segregated to any one individual. And that's because that's how
Speaker 6: big healthcare is. All of us have interface with it,
Speaker 6: and so we're going through some emotions here. I do
Speaker 6: want to talk about the alleged shooter for just a second,
Speaker 6: which is everyone is like, you know, up in arms, like, oh,
Speaker 6: he's such a promising young man. Someone is such a
Speaker 6: bright future and could have been the change maker. And
Speaker 6: I just wish journalists, and this is where I've largely
Speaker 6: heard it would just take take an optimistic view of
Speaker 6: everybody who finds themselves on the end of the accused,
Speaker 6: take a more holistic look at the nature of their lives,
Speaker 6: and stop either calling everybody mentally ill or that they
Speaker 6: were a bad seed from the beginning. Show some compassion
Speaker 6: that says, you know, everybody deserves to be looked at
Speaker 6: in more complete ways, and not just for the worst
Speaker 6: decision they made at the worst point in their lives.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy you said that, Andrew, because the way
Speaker 1: that they extend themselves to certain people's humanity and completely
Speaker 1: ignore others.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Something that strikes me about this, and I encourage people
Speaker 1: if you can. I don't know if it's behind the
Speaker 1: paywall or not, but the thin piece in the New
Speaker 1: York are about this talked about things. So this is
Speaker 1: not a dis to this piece. I actually really enjoyed
Speaker 1: reading it. But they talked about structural violence and the
Speaker 1: type of violence that is acceptable in this country versus
Speaker 1: the type of violence who isn't that isn't. And one
Speaker 1: of the examples they give is like, okay, well, if
Speaker 1: you blow up a corporate jets, you know, to protest that,
Speaker 1: you know, the one percent is responsible for all the
Speaker 1: damage in the climate way out proportion to everybody else.
Speaker 1: That's like, oh my gosh. But you can bypass all
Speaker 1: the people who are directly impacted and even lose their
Speaker 1: lives from climate change. Same with healthcare. You can look
Speaker 1: at this act of violence and say, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this man was gunned down and that is terrible, which
Speaker 1: it absolutely is, but you can bypass the millions of
Speaker 1: people over the years and millions, I mean to say,
Speaker 1: millions who have lost their lives or had their lives
Speaker 1: devastated because of a policy being denied or declined and
Speaker 1: so right. And so when I was reading this, of
Speaker 1: course I got it instantly, you know, I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I thought about it. Andrew from that perspective of
Speaker 1: black folks get this all the time. We very well
Speaker 1: understand structural violence because we have been on the receiving
Speaker 1: end of it for so so long. And so it's
Speaker 1: kind of like you, violence is abhorrent in an individual store,
Speaker 1: but acceptable. It's more palatable in the data.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So if you tell me ten thousand people in India
Speaker 1: die today because of a flood, which is horrific, But
Speaker 1: if you tell me one story of Sarah who lived
Speaker 1: in India, who wanted to be a ballet dancer her
Speaker 1: whole life, who loved cabbage patch dolls, and you know,
Speaker 1: she dies, then it's all of a sudden right, right.
Speaker 1: So the way that we process structural violence, I think
Speaker 1: it's more of a philosophical discussion and evergreen discussion. So
Speaker 1: I hope our listeners will have this.
Speaker 6: I also think it's a way of coping tiffity. I
Speaker 6: think sometimes the massive nature of the you know, of
Speaker 6: these larger instances or as you mentioned the statistics of it,
Speaker 6: like what the data shows. You get to a point
Speaker 6: where it is so inconceivable, it's so big, and in
Speaker 6: order for your mind to cope, you almost have to
Speaker 6: blanket it in this section. But the individual story you
Speaker 6: can make room for you and I and I agree
Speaker 6: with you. I think it's I think it's horrific. I
Speaker 6: feel that very much so. The same way around gun violence,
Speaker 6: I think, are you kidding me yet? Again?
Speaker 1: Well, that's another discuss ghost guns, you know, because he
Speaker 1: was by a ghost gun. And how might the GOP
Speaker 1: respond to this also precisely, and the uptick in request
Speaker 1: for security by CEOs and other people in the C
Speaker 1: suite who traffic in this. It's a lot of issues
Speaker 1: that will arise. My brother was asking me, He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder that this will lead to change
Speaker 1: in healthcare, and I said, I don't believe change happens
Speaker 1: that way. I think what it will lead to is
Speaker 1: more security contracts UH in the private sector to better
Speaker 1: protect again their CEOs. We got to go to a break.
Speaker 1: But I you know, obviously, I just want to be
Speaker 1: clear that our hearts and you know, our hearts go
Speaker 1: out to his wife who survives them his children. Our
Speaker 1: hearts equally go out to the millions of people who
Speaker 1: have their lives devastated by a for profit healthcare system
Speaker 1: that has not served people very well at all. So
Speaker 1: on the other side of the break, we'll get into
Speaker 1: why you should be very careful about who you're texting
Speaker 1: and on what platform you're using to do that. So
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere. But we right back.
Speaker 7: A Native landod.
Speaker 5: It's Genie.
Speaker 7: I'm in Orlando, Florida, and I just wanted to ask
Speaker 7: a question you had mentioned on your podcast that you
Speaker 7: posted the day before Thanksgiving, that you know y'all are
Speaker 7: looking for what is our heritage foundation and what can
Speaker 7: we do to grow an entity you know that can
Speaker 7: affect change like they did, even though we don't want
Speaker 7: to be like them. But you had said, oh, we
Speaker 7: just need to get some white folks involved in I'm like,
Speaker 7: here's I'm a white folk and I'm not going to
Speaker 7: have any more money or any more of my time
Speaker 7: or efforts into areas that I have done in the
Speaker 7: past because they don't work and they're ineffective, and so
Speaker 7: I am ready and willing to help if you know,
Speaker 7: if y'all can educate me on you know what it
Speaker 7: is that we can do. I love you guys. I
Speaker 7: just listen all the time, and I learned something every
Speaker 7: time I listen, and I appreciate everything that y'all do.
Speaker 7: I know that this must be hard in this environment,
Speaker 7: and I know that y'all are questioning whether you should
Speaker 7: do it anymore. But it's just, oh my god, I
Speaker 7: don't know what I would do without you guys. You know,
Speaker 7: because you help, so I'm asking you to keep doing it.
Speaker 7: And it's a huge ask, I know. So thanks so
Speaker 7: much and for all that y'all do. I appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Talk to you Sym.
Speaker 6: There are some great things out of Florida, by the way,
Speaker 6: But you know, we always, yeah, at least Tiffany and
Speaker 6: Leonard always want to remind us of the you know,
Speaker 6: the Achilles that exist stuff.
Speaker 1: I love her question.
Speaker 6: I love one of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was a good question. Let me
Speaker 1: make sure I understanding it correctly. You guys correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. But she's asking, like, what is the
Speaker 1: version of the Heritage Foundation on the left.
Speaker 6: I think it was in response to episode we played
Speaker 6: on sort of Project twenty twenty five and we talked
Speaker 6: about the conservative infrastructure and that we needed one to
Speaker 6: match it, and we kind of went through the history
Speaker 6: of it, and I think she got perked by the
Speaker 6: idea that we could you know, build something or maybe
Speaker 6: direct people toward you know, one or so particular places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, I think there is infrastructure that
Speaker 1: exists and can be built. Maybe this can be a
Speaker 1: mini pod.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know we might talk about like what's happening with
Speaker 1: the DNC chair race, but like I would argue like
Speaker 1: Center for American FRI Progress, Black Voters Matter, or Brendan
Speaker 1: Center for Justice, like all these organizations. But I also
Speaker 1: heard her ask like what can she be doing? And
Speaker 1: I you know, people ask us that a lot, and
Speaker 1: my answers are always the same, and I feel like
Speaker 1: I need to maybe devote some time for deeper thinking
Speaker 1: because I'm always saying, well, there's GLTV efforts. You can
Speaker 1: contribute a candidates to align with your values, even if
Speaker 1: it's at the state legislature level, like whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: if you give ten knowledge, you can door knock, you
Speaker 1: can phone bank, you know. And I don't know, I
Speaker 1: think people want a more immediate, more immediate gratification on
Speaker 1: their efforts. So, Andrew, you ran for office?
Speaker 6: Yeah no, you, Tiffany. I have a knee jerk reaction
Speaker 6: similar to you, which is do something like there are
Speaker 6: things that are out here and available. But you know,
Speaker 6: what I haven't always appreciated is that everybody isn't the
Speaker 6: doorknock person. Everyone isn't the get out front and lead
Speaker 6: in that way. But there is something really for you,
Speaker 6: depending upon what it is, you are most interested in,
Speaker 6: what you feel most comfortable with. And I'll make this
Speaker 6: recommendation and it's the un sexiest of all, but I
Speaker 6: think probably the most impactful of all, and that is
Speaker 6: to organize right where you are. Who are your group
Speaker 6: of friends, your circle of influence, the people who know you,
Speaker 6: love you, trust you. But in truth, when it comes
Speaker 6: down to this politics thing and this public policy thing
Speaker 6: and what it is we're going through, we're not always
Speaker 6: having those conversations with our friends trying to open them up.
Speaker 6: And if you know, Angela, you and I both think
Speaker 6: sort of reflected on like what I hated most about
Speaker 6: the outcome is the disconnect, like how can I don't
Speaker 6: want to be blindsided by these things? And I think
Speaker 6: we would be less blindsided if we were able to
Speaker 6: have more conversations with people who are not necessarily in
Speaker 6: our tribe, but are part of our fam And I
Speaker 6: don't mean just by blood, but by also relationship, friends,
Speaker 6: co workers, who you you know, talk about everything else with,
Speaker 6: but you won't approach how do we make things better
Speaker 6: for all of us? And I would just say I
Speaker 6: love to see more people, just sort of starting with
Speaker 6: four folks at the house and branching out including more
Speaker 6: and more people, because right now there's a huge disconnect
Speaker 6: in this country and we can't win elections that way.
Speaker 6: We've got to figure out a way to bridge. And
Speaker 6: if it ain't bringing for people to your house, maybe
Speaker 6: you all can think on your sides, you know, as
Speaker 6: you're listening, what I could do to start to breach
Speaker 6: some of these divides that are keeping us from winning
Speaker 6: and creating the kind of long lasting change that I
Speaker 6: think we deserve. And then the only other thing I
Speaker 6: would say, because I heard her mention, I won't give
Speaker 6: to some of the other groups because they're ineffective, And
Speaker 6: that may be true, honestly true in your case, but
Speaker 6: I would also say it's really important on the left
Speaker 6: that we also have donors who are not, sometimes donors
Speaker 6: who are volunteers who are not, sometimes volunteers who are
Speaker 6: people who are willing to get in there and stick
Speaker 6: with us, whether we win those elections or lose them,
Speaker 6: whether we win that fight on that issue or we
Speaker 6: lose it. Too often, the reason why our parties aren't
Speaker 6: doing well and our infrastructure sucks in so many places
Speaker 6: is because we lose something, we get tired, we break it,
Speaker 6: and we say we need to start another thing. And
Speaker 6: we don't always need to start another thing. Sometimes we
Speaker 6: need to stick with the thing that is already there
Speaker 6: and just help it to fulfill its mission. That would
Speaker 6: be my only two.
Speaker 1: Pieces, Angela, you have thoughts on it.
Speaker 5: I'm not just stick stick beside him right now in person,
Speaker 5: so I probably am the wrong one to ask.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know what, I appreciate the honesty, and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people feel that way. So
Speaker 1: even that much, I think you saying that much, people
Speaker 1: will feel seen and heard.
Speaker 6: For sure, for sure, for sure. Yeah, And so other
Speaker 6: folks are seen and heard. I think about lots of
Speaker 6: the organizing groups who are not the parties, who right
Speaker 6: now suffer because people won't make contributions because they loop
Speaker 6: them all in the same boat.
Speaker 5: That's fair.
Speaker 6: Those organizations are actually doing good work and could do
Speaker 6: much better work had they had folks who were not
Speaker 6: sometime but who were all the timey with regard to
Speaker 6: the support for them and allow them to do that work.
Speaker 6: Latasha Brown is obviously one of them that come to mind.
Speaker 6: And there are a number of groups I could list
Speaker 6: throughout the state that are not party infrastructure, but are
Speaker 6: on the ground, grass roots and are deserving of our
Speaker 6: SUPPORTI no, go ahead.
Speaker 4: It's so frustrating, Andrew to hear you say sometimey, because
Speaker 4: when I think of sometimey, I think of people who
Speaker 4: are able to split their demographic in half or more
Speaker 4: sixty forty in a direction that votes against you know,
Speaker 4: most of the country's interests as we see them. I
Speaker 4: know that interests are of course in the eyes of
Speaker 4: the holder and are entirely subjective. But when I think
Speaker 4: about Black people, I don't think that we're some timy
Speaker 4: at all, especially in our body politic, because our folks
Speaker 4: have continuously laid it all on the line, and I
Speaker 4: think this exhaustion is a real thing, Like you know,
Speaker 4: from the spiritual political, economic, economic, and mental level, Like
Speaker 4: it has really.
Speaker 5: Hit our folks on every side.
Speaker 4: So I just I just would say, like, I'm not
Speaker 4: someone who is prone to give up easily, and I've
Speaker 4: definitely been in organizing mode, but I'm organizing from a
Speaker 4: point of rage.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: For for Jamie Harrison recently to have said, like my
Speaker 4: term ends in February, and when it ends, I'm naming names.
Speaker 4: It's something that I think is heart wrenching because I
Speaker 4: remember how he went into the DNC. Jamie went into
Speaker 4: the DNC to see real change. I mean, just like
Speaker 4: the people you're talking about, Latasha, Adrian Sharpshire, April Varia,
Speaker 4: a Sciu, like all of these folks that have dedicated
Speaker 4: their lives to ensuring that we wouldn't be left behind,
Speaker 4: that people without a boat, that would not be drowned
Speaker 4: in the rising tide, you know, Like, I just I
Speaker 4: think that it is so much bigger than that. There's
Speaker 4: a place for donors, and there's a place for doorknockers,
Speaker 4: and there's a place for all of that, all of
Speaker 4: our work, but there's very rarely a place for our needs.
Speaker 4: And I think that also has to really shift, Like
Speaker 4: there needs to be a place just for listening. Right now,
Speaker 4: we should be in a posture of hearing what people
Speaker 4: feel like they needed that was completely ignored and has
Speaker 4: been for decades, you know. So I'm wrestling with that piece.
Speaker 6: And I think that's what I mean by the conversation,
Speaker 6: yeah and yeah, the whole not being blindsided so that
Speaker 6: you start to hear, listen, and react. And maybe the
Speaker 6: reaction is just I hear you, I see you, and
Speaker 6: I hate that that happened. But when I talk about
Speaker 6: the stime, I think about some of the people who
Speaker 6: tell me, Man, I vote for you, but I ain't
Speaker 6: voted since I ain't. You know, we could win with you, this, this,
Speaker 6: that and the third, and I think, well, that's not
Speaker 6: how we're going to ultimately win. I kind of you know,
Speaker 6: we please believe nobody's more hurt than me about the laws.
Speaker 6: But I still have to get up each time and
Speaker 6: participate in the process because we're in the pursuit of
Speaker 6: the more, not like this is it. This is judgment,
Speaker 6: and once it's over, you are the win. You've lost,
Speaker 6: and now everybody you know goes home. That's not what
Speaker 6: it is. It, This this change that we all seek
Speaker 6: the structures institutions that exist that contribute to our subjugation,
Speaker 6: to our oppression, weren't built overnight. They've been sustained over centuries,
Speaker 6: over centuries, that's hundreds of years, and they won't be
Speaker 6: dismantled overnight, and so it just requires something more of us.
Speaker 6: I understand the exhaustion. I get it. I myself experienced
Speaker 6: exhaustion and have in the past as well. But when
Speaker 6: we think about half the country still didn't vote. Millions
Speaker 6: of Democrats voted in twenty twenty decided that in twenty
Speaker 6: twenty four wasn't worth it. That's what I mean. That's
Speaker 6: the some time we have to get back and figure
Speaker 6: out how we engage, listen, and then activate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, over ninety million people. I think as we talk about,
Speaker 1: like you know, people falling off and this is a
Speaker 1: discussion for another time, we were asking people to believe
Speaker 1: in the system in a way, you know, as people
Speaker 1: believe in the country. I think people need something to
Speaker 1: believe in, and right now there's not a lot to
Speaker 1: believe in. So before we go ask people to do anything,
Speaker 1: I think we have to have a conversation about what
Speaker 1: do we believe in right now? And maybe that's the
Speaker 1: really pot Maybe that's uh yeah, okay, well maybe we'll
Speaker 1: do that on this one or when y'all are ready.
Speaker 1: But I think that's a conversation happen.
Speaker 5: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I like, well, this is what I do believe in.
Speaker 1: I do believe that the country of China we have
Speaker 1: a very adversarial but necessary relationship with and so I
Speaker 1: and I also deeply believe in the inappropriate text that
Speaker 1: I have sent over the years that I would not
Speaker 1: want anyone else reading. So Angelier, tell me what I
Speaker 1: need to know and what I need to do, because
Speaker 1: I don't want any of my text message.
Speaker 4: Well, well, first and foremost iPhone user, if you want
Speaker 4: to continue to send whatever inappropriate text you send it to,
Speaker 4: I'm not there's no judgment here, But whatever text you
Speaker 4: want to send, I hope that your booth thing or
Speaker 4: potential booth things are also iPhone users, because otherwise you
Speaker 4: asked out.
Speaker 5: Probably literally unintended. If it is a green bubble, I'm
Speaker 5: here to burst Joe bubble. Basically, you have what.
Speaker 4: You've been told by the FBI is that if you
Speaker 4: are texting from an iPhone to an android or an
Speaker 4: Android to an iPhone, your messages are compromised, and they're
Speaker 4: also warning this is new from last week. They're warning
Speaker 4: that What's App, Signal and Facebook Messenger also need to
Speaker 4: have some updates. Senator Ron Wyden is now pushing for
Speaker 4: telecom companies to have some stricter standards to protect the
Speaker 4: American people. Hopefully there will be some bipartisan agreement there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we are We're in a situation now where
Speaker 4: we have our chats are on Signal. Some of them disappear,
Speaker 4: some of them don't, some of them we keep perpetually,
Speaker 4: and if chats are ever to get out, we.
Speaker 5: Losing every job we have a had. So we just
Speaker 5: just to be super clear.
Speaker 4: And there are people at home biting fingernails because you
Speaker 4: also would be up a creek. So yeah, I think
Speaker 4: that the most important thing here to know is that yes,
Speaker 4: there it was called Salt Typhoon in China, and the
Speaker 4: Chinese government has denied any involvement with Salt Typhoon, but
Speaker 4: that is what they're saying has compromised these cross platform communications.
Speaker 4: That it's not into D encrypted unless you are an
Speaker 4: I message user. And even though Signal is there has
Speaker 4: some updates that are needed. I'm saying signal because I would.
Speaker 4: I have never used Facebook Messenger, I ain't never make
Speaker 4: there and what happens on by meta as well. Mark
Speaker 4: zucker Berg, I need to understand what you got going on, friend,
Speaker 4: because you really messed us up in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5: I ain't forgiven you yet.
Speaker 6: Does this harken back at all to the snapchat conversation?
Speaker 6: Wasn't Was it the warning from the federal government at
Speaker 6: the time when they talked about banning it was that.
Speaker 1: TikTok you talk about that they were talking about.
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry Andrew's in here. It's you know, spreading misinformation.
Speaker 6: No, there was never much about correct one platform from
Speaker 6: the all.
Speaker 5: He's the same. The grandfather looked all of them the same.
Speaker 1: I think Snaptat's parents. Is that metal.
Speaker 6: Which one I want to talk about one?
Speaker 1: That y.
Speaker 5: That's to be clear.
Speaker 1: TikTok is owned by byte Dance, which is a company
Speaker 1: based in China, and there was.
Speaker 6: Believe to be is believed to wholly owned by the government.
Speaker 1: Yes, well it was.
Speaker 6: That's what the government is alleging that it is.
Speaker 5: But what they I haven't heard that.
Speaker 4: What they've alleged that it is a platform that is
Speaker 4: used to spy on us by China.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, it was never owned by the Chinese government,
Speaker 1: but when it initially came out that was the big
Speaker 1: concern that they were pulling data from us. Now the
Speaker 1: person who owns it. I believe the CEO is from
Speaker 1: South Korea because there was an embarrassing back and forth
Speaker 1: between him and one of the senators who kept saying
Speaker 1: asking about China. He was like, Senator, I'm not Chinese.
Speaker 1: I'm not from China, so I but anyway, Yes, the
Speaker 1: point is because I don't want to start speaking about
Speaker 1: something I'm not super clear on. The point is when
Speaker 1: you're on your phones and sending text this is always
Speaker 1: a good idea to remember that nothing is really private,
Speaker 1: you know, and the text don't really disappear like they
Speaker 1: will always be accessible. But it does make me fearful,
Speaker 1: quite honestly about what and I'm you know, I was
Speaker 1: being a bit facetious about the text message I've sent.
Speaker 1: What is really more concerning is how they're using that information.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I've talked about some of the concerns on TikTok, which
Speaker 1: could essentially be transcend to other platforms as well. If
Speaker 1: an adversarial nation is watching what you're searching, watching what
Speaker 1: you're sending, learning everything about you, because that's what espionage
Speaker 1: is now. It's more digital, and you know, you might
Speaker 1: not care, but if this person that you're watching works
Speaker 1: for the NSA, or if this person that you're watching
Speaker 1: works for Goldman Sachs or one of our global financial institutions,
Speaker 1: and they can knock us off the grid or learn
Speaker 1: some information that they shouldn't, or they can tell by
Speaker 1: your hand movements and eye movements and what you're looking
Speaker 1: at a lot about you and they can flip you,
Speaker 1: or they can approach you, or they can threaten you.
Speaker 1: Or you said something inappropriate and they can you know, uh,
Speaker 1: threaten or blackmail you and they're doing something right, extort you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, So those things are definitely something to
Speaker 1: be concerned about.
Speaker 6: But I would add, oh, go ahead, and I was
Speaker 6: just gonna say, add to your list. That also the
Speaker 6: intelligence that's being gained about whole communities. So say black
Speaker 6: men are communicating in certain ways, and are you see
Speaker 6: repeated themes coming up? This is how they get to
Speaker 6: intrude in our elections and weed out, you know, weed
Speaker 6: into the into the crevices of cipher issues. Yes, and
Speaker 6: know exactly who to talk to about those things because
Speaker 6: they have analyzed it enough. They know exactly what we're
Speaker 6: talking about when we're just talking amongst each other. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I like just weaponized.
Speaker 1: I would be on some of that just which.
Speaker 5: Is a quick uh correction before we go to break.
Speaker 4: Snapchat is not owned by Meta and thank you by
Speaker 4: snap ink.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I do not want to be
Speaker 1: spreading mis information. Thank you for that real time fact check.
Speaker 1: We gotta do, Yes, we gotta go to break. But Andrew,
Speaker 1: if you do have insight on how I can get
Speaker 1: access to some of those black man group chats, hell,
Speaker 1: I would like you know, no black men, but every
Speaker 1: black man group chat that I've tried to look at
Speaker 1: is as shot somewhere in every black man group chat
Speaker 1: I've seen. Yes, they send as shots to each other
Speaker 1: all the time, some other yeah girl Instagram thoughts, and
Speaker 1: they all share the things my.
Speaker 4: Friend stupid enough to like the actual posts on i G.
Speaker 4: And speaking of i G, we're gonna talk about anyway.
Speaker 1: I do all have about them looking but I used
Speaker 1: to ask my friend's husband all the time, like, what
Speaker 1: are you all talking about in the group chat. Finally
Speaker 1: like you want to see and I'm just scrolling through
Speaker 1: ashot after that.
Speaker 6: It rageous though.
Speaker 1: No, She's like, girl, you don't want to see what
Speaker 1: they got in that group chat. I promise And she
Speaker 1: was right and the wife, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just want to say, we're going to break and
Speaker 4: we just did one kind of ig report, but on
Speaker 4: the other side of the break, we're going to do
Speaker 4: an actual inspector general report the conversation, so we'll be
Speaker 4: right back.
Speaker 8: Hey, Native Lyndpud.
Speaker 5: It's Robin from Portland.
Speaker 8: Hey, I'm wondering what you guys think about the request
Speaker 8: for a recount Kamala Harris's campaign. Forensic experts all over
Speaker 8: the country are saying that the election software was compromised
Speaker 8: since the civil litigation in Georgia found that the Allies
Speaker 8: illegally accessed election software in twenty twenty in a multi
Speaker 8: state effort to compromise the election and swing states, and
Speaker 8: the DOJ and the FBI failed to act. So now,
Speaker 8: election security experts are raising concern that Elon Musk weaponized
Speaker 8: information that he collected with his superpack America Pack to
Speaker 8: tip the scale in swing states when they created bullet
Speaker 8: votes with just Trump's name at the top of no
Speaker 8: down ballot votes. So precisely why Trump was swaying at
Speaker 8: the end of the campaign in his rallies and saying, you'll.
Speaker 5: Never have to vote again.
Speaker 8: There's been a lot of good information out there from
Speaker 8: people high up in the political ecosystem requesting a recount.
Speaker 5: What do y'all think, Chow?
Speaker 4: I think that I don't know what to think. I'm
Speaker 4: telling you this right now. I go back and forth
Speaker 4: every other day about if there was some type of interference.
Speaker 4: I want to believe there must have been, because it
Speaker 4: is so hard for me to fathom that Kamala Harris
Speaker 4: lost every battleground state. And then I go back to
Speaker 4: the experiences that these staffers had that has now been,
Speaker 4: of course reported in the New York Times. By the way,
Speaker 4: I did not leak that call. So pissed off that
Speaker 4: that call was leaked. I'm so pissed off about it.
Speaker 1: Can you get background on that that we were talking
Speaker 1: about this in our group chat, and I if you,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if you step away from our group
Speaker 1: chat for five minutes, you come back and it's one
Speaker 1: hundred messages. And I could never scroll up. But I
Speaker 1: just saw Angela Lee call New York Times what happened.
Speaker 4: So I talked about this on the podcast briefly last time,
Speaker 4: just in general terms, because I wanted to affirm their
Speaker 4: stories and to let them know that I believed them
Speaker 4: and their experiences. But we did a call with Kamala
Speaker 4: Harris staffers from the campaign. People need jobs when they're leaving,
Speaker 4: and so the call was supposed to be about how
Speaker 4: like one for me somebody who I see as a
Speaker 4: big sister, thank you for supporting her. How can I
Speaker 4: make sure that y'all are all good? And I thought
Speaker 4: it was gonna be a group of like ten, It
Speaker 4: ended up being over fifty five plus staffers talking about
Speaker 4: what they wanted to do next. And that call quickly
Speaker 4: turned to some really big complaints, some really hurt feelings,
Speaker 4: some rage about their experiences on the campaign, frustrated that
Speaker 4: there was a lot kept away from the principal, some
Speaker 4: really really bad experiences with the campaign manager, the deputy
Speaker 4: or the campaign chair, the deputy campaign manager really really rough.
Speaker 5: And then some folks that.
Speaker 4: They put in place to oversee the states, particularly the
Speaker 4: battleground states, with young, cocky white boys who weren't listening
Speaker 4: to them, and not all of the states were. There
Speaker 4: was a state director, for example, or LT who's a
Speaker 4: friend in North Carolina. Some of this stuff wasn't getting
Speaker 4: back to her. So there's a lot of really, really
Speaker 4: bad reports. And I think what is worse than their
Speaker 4: bad reports and their experiences is the fact that people
Speaker 4: went out on a limb believing it was a safe
Speaker 4: space and it was shared. So I was pissed off.
Speaker 4: I said, this call should never see the light of day.
Speaker 4: These people did not consent to be recorded. I certainly
Speaker 4: did not consent to being recorded, and I would have
Speaker 4: never shared what these folks were sharing without their express consent.
Speaker 1: So someone let the call to the New York Times.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they recorded the zoom and shared it, and I
Speaker 4: don't know where else they shared it. But I think
Speaker 4: that that is one a way to quickly make enemies too,
Speaker 4: a way to prevent us from figuring out how we
Speaker 4: strategize together ensuring that something like this never happens again.
Speaker 4: Which brings me back to the recount. I would like
Speaker 4: to see a recount. I would like to understand if
Speaker 4: there were any software failures, any machine failures, anything, because
Speaker 4: I just cannot make sense of this. Something doesn't sit
Speaker 4: right with me. I'll say out of our group group
Speaker 4: chat tip and Andrew, you'll appreciate the person I'm gonna
Speaker 4: say the biggest conspiracy and there are me and Latasha.
Speaker 6: Some feel right.
Speaker 4: We don't have no data on it yet, but something
Speaker 4: don't feel right.
Speaker 1: So I you know I have I hope you and
Speaker 1: Latasha are right because my rage comes from a place
Speaker 1: that the elections ran smoothly, like we have not heard
Speaker 1: stories of people having challenges with voting.
Speaker 5: There aren't.
Speaker 1: Well tell me if I'm wrong. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: like there might be anecdotal stories, but by and LARSA
Speaker 1: data does not say, you know, these seventy five thousand
Speaker 1: votes didn't count. We did have that last time. We
Speaker 1: had that or not last time, But in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: we had examples of massive votes that were missing or
Speaker 1: not counted.
Speaker 5: We did.
Speaker 4: They've heard so many beforehand, they heard so many beforehand,
Speaker 4: and there were a number of people who didn't get
Speaker 4: their ballots in certain states.
Speaker 5: I think it was Georgia was one where they were.
Speaker 1: Seeing they not enough though to this scale, you know, like, yes,
Speaker 1: all those are.
Speaker 6: The real disenfranchisement those choosing big.
Speaker 1: That is the point I'm trying to make from the
Speaker 1: people who from the eligible voters who dish open vote.
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Angela. I hear what you're saying, Andrew,
Speaker 1: like it was the suppression that that led to death
Speaker 1: from the years prior so that that this year right, right,
Speaker 1: and this year, but there were not massive issues of
Speaker 1: voter fraud on that scale that would have led to
Speaker 1: the results that we saw in that in the election.
Speaker 1: And so my rage comes from the fact that so
Speaker 1: many people in this country saw who Donald Trump was
Speaker 1: and decided, yes, I will vote for this man. So
Speaker 1: I would rather Angela, you be right that there's some
Speaker 1: big conspiracy that we all missed. I just don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think to your point, Andrew, it was people who
Speaker 1: stayed home. Again, we have to talk about what do
Speaker 1: we believe in and give people a reasonab believer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's kind of where I hold my I don't
Speaker 6: know of his anger, but their real disappointment is in
Speaker 6: those of us who said this election wasn't worth showing
Speaker 6: up for for all the whatever myriad of reasons. And
Speaker 6: I want to know them, and I want to know
Speaker 6: what about them can be addressed and solved. Two other observations. One,
Speaker 6: the battleground states almost always all go the same way.
Speaker 6: They almost all collapse in the same direction. It's it's
Speaker 6: in in large part very much so, a very similar
Speaker 6: voter across those those states. And I'm thinking Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.
Speaker 6: I'm missing one other that I wanted to name check. Uh,
Speaker 6: it'll come to me in a minute. But but but
Speaker 6: but essentially those four states almost always collapse the same way.
Speaker 6: And what I would attribute to that is that late
Speaker 6: deciding voters and those states that typically run just sort
Speaker 6: of neck and neck with each other, lake deciding voters
Speaker 6: also almost always break the same way. You don't usually
Speaker 6: have late deciders all sort of sty splitting the baby.
Speaker 6: They typically break the same way. The second observation around
Speaker 6: the recount, which I'm not obviously opposed to. I like
Speaker 6: to no longer delay the trauma. But if there is
Speaker 6: something to be learned, we should learn it. But in
Speaker 6: this country, the reason why it's very difficult to hack
Speaker 6: elections is each state. In fact, each county has jurisdiction
Speaker 6: over what equipment they use. In most states, and the
Speaker 6: process for which days will be holiday you know, early
Speaker 6: voting days, if they'll have them. States might have a
Speaker 6: general sort of landscape of what has to happen, but counties,
Speaker 6: the county level is where elections are run. So you
Speaker 6: would you would there's not a database in which all
Speaker 6: these things are going into one central hub and then
Speaker 6: you hack that hub. You would have to literally go
Speaker 6: into individual precincts at individual county levels for the kind
Speaker 6: of scale of hacking that would be required in order
Speaker 6: to turn you know, these kinds of national elections. That's
Speaker 6: the frankly all that is the one that is the
Speaker 6: one solved. That's the one thing I feel really good
Speaker 6: about following the two thousand election coming out of Florida
Speaker 6: was that the national trend wasn't to make everybody on
Speaker 6: the same system, the same database, pouring into the same
Speaker 6: location for a national elections to take place, because that,
Speaker 6: to me, would have been tragic and would have I
Speaker 6: think destroyed and completely undermined a lot of people's faith
Speaker 6: in the election. So the decentralized nature of elections in
Speaker 6: this country, I think is just one measure of security
Speaker 6: that we can all if there is something we can
Speaker 6: take you know some some relief in it could be
Speaker 6: that now just want to transition really quickly, Angela, the
Speaker 6: picking backup where you left off on these sort of
Speaker 6: your information not being your information alone. Well, the same
Speaker 6: DOJ that issue that morning is the same DOJ Department
Speaker 6: of Justice who during the the Donald Trump first term
Speaker 6: in office, who would not comply with its own procedures
Speaker 6: when it saw journalist phones and email records and their
Speaker 6: quote leak investigations, and who had the augacity to request
Speaker 6: the record records the department to request the phone records,
Speaker 6: text messages, and phone logs of forty three congressional staffers
Speaker 6: and two Democratic House members, those House members being Adam
Speaker 6: Shift of California Now senators shift.
Speaker 5: Swall sound like jam Trump shift?
Speaker 6: Yes, shift, that's I mean.
Speaker 1: Shift C H H I F F T no T
Speaker 1: no T shift.
Speaker 6: A ship Okay, my bad, y'all Adam Schiff, Senator Adam
Speaker 6: Schiff uh.
Speaker 5: And Senator Yeah Eric.
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris yesterday two days ago.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, maybe that's right because the pastor,
Speaker 1: Thelfonso Delfonso was temporary, so maybe she did.
Speaker 6: All I know is he was sworn in with the
Speaker 6: New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Fella two days ago, Adam Siff.
Speaker 6: In any regard though that that can this is alarming
Speaker 6: to me for a couple of reasons. One, Donald Trump
Speaker 6: and the Department of Justice. At the point that the
Speaker 6: Department of Justice decided to subpoena the congressional staffers, these
Speaker 6: were Republican and Democratic staffers, committee staffers, and two members
Speaker 6: of Congress. That decision was made during Jeff Sessions term
Speaker 6: as Attorney General, and Sessions had recused himself from this
Speaker 6: and thatstigation involving Russia and the twenty sixteen Trump campaign
Speaker 6: carter page and their ties to the state of Russia,
Speaker 6: the government of Russia with regard to election interference. That
Speaker 6: was the quote unquote investigation the Department of Justice was seeking.
Speaker 6: Additional information was the leakage of classified information. And they
Speaker 6: then went into the again the emails, this personal cell
Speaker 6: phone records of these congressional staffers and the two Democratic
Speaker 6: House members. What happened there was Jeff Sessions, the Attorney
Speaker 6: General at the time, did not provide sign off because
Speaker 6: he had recused himself from that investigation. The sign off
Speaker 6: came from line prosecutors. So when you think about a
Speaker 6: DOJ and you know and trusting, you know, really important
Speaker 6: information there. These are decisions that are now being made
Speaker 6: by line prosecutors who are going to be the same
Speaker 6: you know folks under the Trump administration, with interference from
Speaker 6: the top, who who may be given guidance y'all into
Speaker 6: who they can tap, when they can tap what is
Speaker 6: determined to be the nature of an investigation. And the
Speaker 6: fact that it was done to a separate but coequal
Speaker 6: branch of government is extremely alarming because this is the
Speaker 6: same branch of government that can conduct inquiries over actions
Speaker 6: of the executive branch. And if they now have to
Speaker 6: look over their back to see that they can be
Speaker 6: personally investigated by the DOJ while at the same time
Speaker 6: investigating the executive branch, we can have a real problem
Speaker 6: in this upcoming Trump administration. I think all of us
Speaker 6: know that we don't expect everything to be on the
Speaker 6: up and up at DJ, but we are skirting real
Speaker 6: serious lines, not only as it relates to a separate
Speaker 6: and co equal branch of government, but also the journalists
Speaker 6: who whose records were taken were taken without their notice,
Speaker 6: they were not informed at the time, and the private companies,
Speaker 6: cell phone companies, the providers were forbidden from telling the
Speaker 6: users their customers that they had given that data over
Speaker 6: and the same is true for the congressional staffers. Those
Speaker 6: companies could not share with their customers that their information
Speaker 6: have been gathered. And y'all all just end here. This
Speaker 6: is alarming to me because at one point these companies
Speaker 6: had real stiff spines when it came to keeping your
Speaker 6: information private, and now as the government continues its intrusion,
Speaker 6: we all have to be worried about where this may lead.
Speaker 6: And Angel, I know you have additional context for this,
Speaker 6: giving your experience on the Hill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it, well, it's not that it's just from reading
Speaker 4: the report. I'll say that the eight reporters came from
Speaker 4: the Washington Post, CNN, New York Times. And the one
Speaker 4: thing that I think is also important here is, yes,
Speaker 4: it was two Democratic members of Congress, but there were
Speaker 4: twenty GOP staffers, twenty one Democrats and two nonpartisan staffers.
Speaker 4: This matters to me for two reasons. One is, in
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen, the Department of Justice stood up a process,
Speaker 4: a news media policy that was to prevent something like
Speaker 4: this from happening. And what they did between twenty seventeen
Speaker 4: and twenty twenty when this happened, is basically overthrew that
Speaker 4: entire policy. And so the Inspector General said that they
Speaker 4: were troubled that these failures occurred just a few years
Speaker 4: after they announced this news media policy. Additionally, they failed
Speaker 4: to convene the News Media Review Committee to consider the
Speaker 4: compulsory process authorization requests, which is of course what you're
Speaker 4: talking about, where everyone has to turn over these records
Speaker 4: and not notify the entities or the people whose privacy
Speaker 4: was violated. They say in this report that it was
Speaker 4: not politically motivated. It okay, I question that, just given
Speaker 4: the way that Bill Barr runs and the and the
Speaker 4: way that.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump runs. So this is fascinating.
Speaker 4: I'm eager to see what would happen under a tenure
Speaker 4: with Patel at the Helm and others, who was.
Speaker 6: Also one of the people whose information was was compromised,
Speaker 6: and he brought lawsuit against the Department of Justice and
Speaker 6: it was thrown out by a federal judge. Well, he
Speaker 6: does like the suit. But Angel, the reason why the
Speaker 6: bipartisan that the non partisan district, I know you will.
Speaker 6: I just want to just very quickly the reason why
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter to me that this was supposedly non
Speaker 6: partisan and not politically motivated, is because under the Trump administration,
Speaker 6: it's going to be motivated by who his enemies are,
Speaker 6: by who I think it is going to be without
Speaker 6: regard to the to the political, and very much so
Speaker 6: about who he and and and his folks who are
Speaker 6: helmed there fine into the enemy and correct that that was.
Speaker 4: The point, right I'm I'm telling people. It wasn't just Democrats.
Speaker 4: There are Republicans who were impected to They were just
Speaker 4: on a staff level and to nonpartisan staff, which means
Speaker 4: they're not political staff.
Speaker 5: On the hill. That's the point I'm listening to.
Speaker 1: Well, we've already seen his vengeance happen. So cash me
Speaker 1: tell if you guys listen to the podcast and and
Speaker 1: you know, you know that he's with Trump's pick uh
Speaker 1: nominee to lead the FBI, And just this week Chris
Speaker 1: Ray has uh said he will step down from leading
Speaker 1: the FBI. So you can see this is gonna be
Speaker 1: quite the transition to go from someone like Chris Ray
Speaker 1: to Cash Ptel, who has to first be confirmed of
Speaker 1: course by the Senate before he can lead the FBI.
Speaker 1: He has already shown how litigious and vengeful he can be.
Speaker 1: His attorney has already threatened uh people. We know he
Speaker 1: sent a letter to our good friend. A guest was
Speaker 1: on Joy and Reid's show, and he sent a letter
Speaker 1: threatening religious action to not only the guests, but to
Speaker 1: joy Read herself. So this is the beginning, folks like,
Speaker 1: this is what we have been talking about. And he
Speaker 1: has already said that he will figure out ways to
Speaker 1: go after the media criminally and civilly. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what infrastructures are in place. I'd like to spend
Speaker 1: some time actually looking at that. Outside of the constitution,
Speaker 1: of course, but what infrastructures are in place to protect
Speaker 1: the importance of journalism and protecting reporters of privacy, but
Speaker 1: also outside of just people as individuals. And I think
Speaker 1: more in a state of panic, we're so willing to
Speaker 1: give up our rights. This is what happened after nine
Speaker 1: to eleven with the Patriot Acts. You know, people were saying, Oh,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, let's just give up our rights. And
Speaker 1: I think as threats increase the United States, because they will,
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of threats that we don't
Speaker 1: hear about, but the threats will definitely increase with the
Speaker 1: United States. I think that we have to be careful
Speaker 1: on if should another domestic terrorist act happen, we have
Speaker 1: to be thoughtful and careful. In the same sentiment, our sister,
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Barbara Lee was being the sole person to vote
Speaker 1: against just giving un limited access to declare war. She
Speaker 1: stood alone. Sometimes the shee stands alone when you're on
Speaker 1: the right side of history, and she continues to be
Speaker 1: on the right side of history. So I'm concerned about
Speaker 1: all this happening. I'm glad you brought it up, Angel because.
Speaker 6: If I just I want to say on the media piece,
Speaker 6: the reason why I think we have to be more
Speaker 6: alarmed there is because they are often referred to as
Speaker 6: the fourth estate. But largely we don't know about a
Speaker 6: lot of things that could happen without the media's ability
Speaker 6: to get in there, get those four years, talk to
Speaker 6: the people behind the scenes, and get stuff off the
Speaker 6: record that helps to illuminate the situation. If these folks
Speaker 6: can be chilled from being able to do their job,
Speaker 6: this this is a direct fascist attack. You go for
Speaker 6: the media first, so that you don't get to get
Speaker 6: facts out into the into into the public. We don't
Speaker 6: get to know what's going on behind the scenes. We
Speaker 6: don't get to know the kind of encourageons the government
Speaker 6: is increasingly taken on each and every one of our
Speaker 6: individual liberties. So if they can chill the ability for
Speaker 6: journalists to look into what they're doing, y'all, that's the
Speaker 6: fast road to a certain place.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, one of the things that concerns should
Speaker 1: concern all of us, and that is terrorism, and and
Speaker 1: you know what could happen should things land here domestically.
Speaker 1: So we're going to go to break. On the other
Speaker 1: side of this, I'm going to talk about what is
Speaker 1: happening in Syria, and I'll tell you why it should matter,
Speaker 1: and we should get to our CTAs. So don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: We'll get to all of that on the other side
Speaker 1: of this break. We'll see you on the other side.
Speaker 2: A man, Well, come, well, come, well, come, well, come,
Speaker 2: well come, welcome.
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, you guys. I know you've been
Speaker 1: hearing a lot about what's happening in Syria, and I
Speaker 1: want to quickly just give some context for that. So
Speaker 1: the Syrian government this month fell with astounding speed, so
Speaker 1: quickly that it caught us Intel completely off guard. I
Speaker 1: remember when I saw the breaking news that Damascus had fallen,
Speaker 1: being really surprised by it. So aside who this, the
Speaker 1: whole fall of the government ended a nearly half century
Speaker 1: rule from Asade. He took over for his father in
Speaker 1: two thousand and he's he's a doctor trained in London.
Speaker 1: And when his after his father, he took over and
Speaker 1: the civil war against Asad. You guys will remember the
Speaker 1: Arab Spring. This was during the Obama administration, and that's
Speaker 1: when the civil war during a side began. This is
Speaker 1: when countries throughout the Middle East were rising up against
Speaker 1: these authoritative regimes. So when this is what's happening, Asd
Speaker 1: responded by torturing children. This could be kids who were
Speaker 1: spray painting graffiti on a wall, and he gassed his
Speaker 1: own people. And so you may remember in twenty eleven
Speaker 1: seeing the imagery of children on oxygen. It was awful
Speaker 1: to see these kids have nerve damage and react to
Speaker 1: being gassed. Now, how was he able to do that
Speaker 1: with the military support and the direct financial backing of
Speaker 1: the Iranian government and the Russian government. Now this is
Speaker 1: where things get a little complicated. When the uprising was happening.
Speaker 1: These rebel groups started forming their own armed militias, and
Speaker 1: they eventually took Aleppo in Syria. Now, it took four
Speaker 1: years to get that back, Asad got it back by
Speaker 1: again gassing his own people. Why do we care Because
Speaker 1: there are some urgent and pressing questions coming out of
Speaker 1: the Middle East right now, especially when the United States
Speaker 1: is going through our own regime change, and when Trump
Speaker 1: comes back in office, he's looking at a very different
Speaker 1: Middle East than he did four years ago, so we
Speaker 1: really do have to be concerned about how he might
Speaker 1: handle this. First, the question is how might this new
Speaker 1: regime in Syria deal with Iran? Well, why do we
Speaker 1: care about that? Well, because of the Iran nuclear Deal.
Speaker 1: This is a deal that President Obama initiated with the Iranians.
Speaker 1: President Trump undid the deal, and so now will the
Speaker 1: new rebels evict Iran out of Syria, same for Russians?
Speaker 1: Or out of pragmatism, will they seek some sort of
Speaker 1: compromise or some sort of working relationship with the same
Speaker 1: people who helped kill them, because remember Iran helped US
Speaker 1: od gas people, So how might they deal with Iran?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 1: How might they deal with Russian now Iran has already
Speaker 1: proactively said they're not trying to kill Trump. You guys
Speaker 1: may remember a few weeks ago there was some intel
Speaker 1: out that they were trying to assassinate Donald Trump. They
Speaker 1: proactively the government came out and said, hey, we're not
Speaker 1: trying to do that. Jesse. You know, they were trying
Speaker 1: to kill Trump, allegedly according to the US Intel for
Speaker 1: ordering the twenty twenty drone strike that killed General Sulamani.
Speaker 1: And I remember at the time thinking this was a
Speaker 1: big deal. This is imagine if somebody came over here
Speaker 1: and killed our secretary of Defense. You don't go okay,
Speaker 1: even Stevens takes these back seats were all cool. Now
Speaker 1: they have played a long game and they're still pissed
Speaker 1: off about that. So what will happen there? Or will
Speaker 1: aaron race for their effort to make another nuclear bomb?
Speaker 1: And this is a weapon that some Iranians view as
Speaker 1: their last line of defense in this new era of vulnerability. Now,
Speaker 1: there was a member of Congress, congress Woman Tulsi Gabbard
Speaker 1: from Hawaii, when all this was happening. Tolfi Gabbard was
Speaker 1: defending Aside and casting doubt on what US Intel had confirmed,
Speaker 1: and she started going to bat for a side, but
Speaker 1: also having some private meetings with a side. Asade has
Speaker 1: since fled Syria and guess where he went. I'll give
Speaker 1: you two guesses, Joe, only one Russia. He is now
Speaker 1: in Russia. And so now that she's expressed these doubts
Speaker 1: from April twenty seventeen, it flew in the face of
Speaker 1: US Intel. You have an own member of your government
Speaker 1: basically saying what you're saying is not true. So Syria
Speaker 1: is very unstable right now. We don't know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. The president has the then President Trump, Donald
Speaker 1: Trump then said there can be no dispute in the
Speaker 1: conclusion that the US Intel has already drawn. So now
Speaker 1: you've tapped somebody to be d and I the director
Speaker 1: of National Intel, who was saying the opposite of what
Speaker 1: you were saying four years ago. I would imagine at
Speaker 1: Tolci Gabbert's Senate confirmation hearing this is something that will
Speaker 1: and should come up. The question I would have is,
Speaker 1: would Gabbard like to see Syria go back in the
Speaker 1: hands of Aside? What is her recommendation for all how
Speaker 1: all of this happens? This is something U. It is
Speaker 1: the Shia Crest, and it matters because of geographically, if
Speaker 1: you look at the map, there is a route that
Speaker 1: goes from Syria or well, Iran goes through Syria then
Speaker 1: to the Gaza straight to the Gaza Strip, and so
Speaker 1: they're known as like the third arm of the Shia Crest.
Speaker 1: And so this is something that we all have to
Speaker 1: care about. One, because the Iran nuclear deal mettals. Two,
Speaker 1: should terrorism happen, We've made some enemies and we have
Speaker 1: to be vigilant about terrorism coming to our to our
Speaker 1: domestic land. And three, given that Iran has been weakened
Speaker 1: by its proxies a lot of what has happened in
Speaker 1: the Middle East, this is a big deal. Now, I
Speaker 1: am no expert on Middle East politics. I definitely have
Speaker 1: been reading a lot about Middle East politics my whole
Speaker 1: career in more recent years the rise of the Global South.
Speaker 1: When I wanted to talk about this, I was a
Speaker 1: little concerned because I said, I'm not really sure of
Speaker 1: the role of Israel here and how they might capitalize
Speaker 1: on this. And leave it to my brother Andrew to say,
Speaker 1: well are you going to talk about it? And y'aho,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I wasn't really clear on that,
Speaker 1: but you are, so tell me what I'm missing in
Speaker 1: my assessment.
Speaker 6: It is well one, thank you you thoroughly. I think
Speaker 6: covered really the high points on this. I would just
Speaker 6: say Israel and just side note this. Benjamin Now, who
Speaker 6: the Prime Minister of Visual right now, happens to be
Speaker 6: on trial, a criminal trial in Israel. So it's spending
Speaker 6: his day hours when he's not being pulled out of
Speaker 6: the courtroom basically trying to save his hive in avoid
Speaker 6: jail time. But what we also know is happening and
Speaker 6: while he is being pulled out of court a couple
Speaker 6: of times throughout the day these last several days, is
Speaker 6: because right now Israel is launching Jerne strikes into Israel.
Speaker 6: They say, to weaken any potential French group in threat
Speaker 6: that might arise against the state of Israel. Now, the groups,
Speaker 6: all of the separate groups that came together previously, they
Speaker 6: hadn't fighting each other and therefore they could not get
Speaker 6: Bush Heir out aside out of office because they had
Speaker 6: so much sectarian and territorial strife amongst each other. Syria
Speaker 6: is a country that frankly has many countries playing directly
Speaker 6: in its yard. Israel has interest there, Turkey has a
Speaker 6: significant involvement there, Iran as we've already heard, and then
Speaker 6: you have other largely Muslim states surrounding this area who
Speaker 6: also have interests. Can imagine here in the US if
Speaker 6: we had a bunch of different countries who had actual
Speaker 6: interests in our country and could basically, as through their proxies,
Speaker 6: wage their interest on their behalf on our land. That's
Speaker 6: what they have going on there. But I will say,
Speaker 6: over the last couple of days, if you've paid attention,
Speaker 6: there's a lot of excitement there on in Syria, as
Speaker 6: women are being told that they will not have to
Speaker 6: return to the old conservative days where their attire and
Speaker 6: their ability to work and how they show up in
Speaker 6: society would be harshly judged and quite frankly made illegal again.
Speaker 6: They plan, their leader plans to have a country that
Speaker 6: is also respectful of other faiths or other religious traditions.
Speaker 6: That would be a marked change, a marked difference from
Speaker 6: what is happening there. But in truth, the current leadership
Speaker 6: is right now identified by the United States as a
Speaker 6: terrorist group. We don't know what the future US relations
Speaker 6: will be and the incoming President has already said. When
Speaker 6: Aside was ejected, he said that this is something that
Speaker 6: Russia and Iran can deal with, that the United States
Speaker 6: is going to take a back seat. Well, that's extremely problematic.
Speaker 6: We have nine hundred US American troops on the ground
Speaker 6: in Syria. Is not a place where we can take
Speaker 6: our eyes off. And then, finally, what I am hopeful
Speaker 6: won't be a continuous overreach by Israel is this bombing
Speaker 6: that could then lead to again another generational set of
Speaker 6: enemies against the state of Israel. I think they really
Speaker 6: ought to take a long look at. Yes, they're security
Speaker 6: at this moment, but more importantly, how do we put
Speaker 6: Israel on a path to nonviolence within the region where
Speaker 6: they can be respected by the nations that surround them
Speaker 6: and not become the ire of of of their worst
Speaker 6: intentions by basically creating a whole nother generation of folks, communities,
Speaker 6: other countries, neighboring countries who find them to be to
Speaker 6: be enemies. But we certainly watch this. It does have
Speaker 6: US implications, major US implications. We do have an interest
Speaker 6: in the area, and I hope Trump that will we
Speaker 6: consider what he has said. And then, very lastly, Tolci
Speaker 6: Gabbert's interconnection here. She basically cheerleaded Bashar Alasade, and now
Speaker 6: she is going to be the person, if confirmed, who
Speaker 6: provides the daily briefing book of threats to the United
Speaker 6: States to the president. The daily she will determine what
Speaker 6: is in that threat assessment book and what stays out
Speaker 6: of that threat assessment book. And it worries me to
Speaker 6: no end who she may be doing the bidding for.
Speaker 6: I can tell you this right now. I do not
Speaker 6: believe that her bidding ultimately at this stage is ultimately
Speaker 6: and singularly for the United States. And if you're the
Speaker 6: director of Intelligence here and giving permission for what gets
Speaker 6: for the president, you better have the USA on your
Speaker 6: mind twenty four to seven, and it better be at
Speaker 6: the lead of your interest and not that of another nation.
Speaker 1: It's frightening, Angine, just really quickly to put it in
Speaker 1: context on how you know they're looking at the new
Speaker 1: leadership in Syria as a terrorist regime could be. I
Speaker 1: haven't dug deep enough to see who this group is,
Speaker 1: but just for context, they do not consider net Yahoo
Speaker 1: and the IDF a terrorist regime. And I think we've
Speaker 1: all seen things that happened coming out of net and
Speaker 1: Yahoo's government, and including looking at it, the International Court
Speaker 1: has already determined that what he is doing is morally
Speaker 1: and legally wrong, and including the killing of children. We
Speaker 1: always say women and children, as if men's lives don't matter.
Speaker 1: But I want to point out how many children this
Speaker 1: man under in his regime has murdered and they are
Speaker 1: not designated a terrorist organization anyway. Let's get the calls
Speaker 1: to action on that note. Yes, yes, I don't really
Speaker 1: what you got Yeah, go ahead.
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Speaker 5: Well we're not on air.
Speaker 6: I love it. Welcome home everybody, And I just I
Speaker 6: think my uh called action is going to be tangential
Speaker 6: to what you just said, Angela, and that is we
Speaker 6: had a questioner a week last week who submitted their
Speaker 6: question using what do you call that? Yeah, the emoji image,
Speaker 6: which you know is cool, and we got some feedback
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Speaker 6: basically saying, hey, look y'all, everybody isn't comfortable being on video.
Speaker 6: I hope y'all don't you know, disqualify this as a
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Speaker 6: think you heard our various perspectives. I want to reiterate
Speaker 6: that certainly not from my standpoint, is there a prohibition
Speaker 6: on those. I get that everybody is incomfortable, and in
Speaker 6: some people's instances it might be that for your job
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Speaker 6: so I think we want to be open to the
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Speaker 6: I think all of our intention is is to try
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Speaker 6: of that for us in looking at you is being
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Speaker 6: choose to go on camera or whether you choose an emoji,
Speaker 6: we want you to keep that that feedback questions comments,
Speaker 6: Uh uh what do you call them?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't knowshment strategyishment, yea, all of it you said,
Speaker 6: cuss out. I tried to use it ord like admonishments coming.
Speaker 6: Whatever that is, keep it coming in all of its forms.
Speaker 1: And we heard, we've read those comments on YouTube.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I every week I say I'm gonna shout out some
Speaker 1: of the people on YouTube, and I keep forgetting. So
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Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't really have a political call to action, but
Speaker 1: it is a very important and necessary one for me.
Speaker 1: And that is I know it's the holiday season and
Speaker 1: people are giving gifts. Okay, I just want to say
Speaker 1: dogs are not Christmas gifts. Okay, it's like giving somebody
Speaker 1: a two month old or two year old who's never
Speaker 1: going to grow up. I don't care about you shaking
Speaker 1: your head, Andrew, it's like giving somebody I know, but
Speaker 1: I already know how you feel about pets. I do
Speaker 1: not believe that you should give somebody a two year
Speaker 1: old and say here's a responsibility for the next fifteen years.
Speaker 1: You can't be telling these kids like, Okay, is your
Speaker 1: dog and you're responsible, Like no, this is a living, breathing,
Speaker 1: sacent being, you know, and you have to care for
Speaker 1: this animal who loves you so much. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a dog and leave them tied up outside, you
Speaker 1: don't deserve a dog. If you're gonna get a dog
Speaker 1: and leave them at home. And if you are getting
Speaker 1: a dog for someone and you're prepared for that responsibility,
Speaker 1: please go to shelters. Don't go to these breeders and
Speaker 1: spend money. Dogs are euthanized every year. But I hate
Speaker 1: when I see these puppies and and it's like Merry Christmas,
Speaker 1: and it's like they end up at shelters and people
Speaker 1: don't know how to take care of them. So if
Speaker 1: you're gonna bring a dog in your life. It's not
Speaker 1: a Christmas gift.
Speaker 6: If we had common cause. By the way, on this
Speaker 6: my sister came and visited a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 6: and bought my children a fish and a fish take
Speaker 6: and they have been doing the feeding. But this thing
Speaker 6: requires serious upkeep. I gotta check the water every week.
Speaker 6: I gotta take the third of the water out put all.
Speaker 4: I just want to tell you guys, as we get
Speaker 4: up on the Christmas holiday, that not only are dogs
Speaker 4: gifts for some people, but you human beings are gifts
Speaker 4: to me as well.
Speaker 5: So thank you guys for being the gifts you are.
Speaker 4: And even though Tip is manage all for sending the
Speaker 4: puppies back to the shelter, I'm not gonna send Andrew
Speaker 4: and Tip back to any shelter.
Speaker 6: To kick them.
Speaker 4: Whether they come with a bow or not, I'm going
Speaker 4: to keep them. Whether we screaming on here or not,
Speaker 4: we're keeping each other. We stuck together. Okay, there it
Speaker 4: is well.
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