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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reisent Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Love is a responsibility because you make a commitment. Love

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Speaker 3: is that I'm here for you are as our friend.

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Speaker 3: And we were talking about her earlier, Tony Morrison said,

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Speaker 3: you know, love is a bench, and a bench is

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Speaker 3: something that no matter what, when you're tired, when you're sad,

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Speaker 3: you can sit. It's going to be right there and

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Speaker 3: it's got your back. And that's what love is. Love's

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Speaker 3: got your back.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the beautiful words of the poet Nikki Giovanni, who

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Speaker 1: passed away sadly this week but lived a wonderful life,

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Speaker 1: and so we wanted to open the show with that.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode fifty seven of Native

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Speaker 1: Land Pod. Those words love is a bench that's got

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Speaker 1: your back. I want you to know Angela, and you

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Speaker 1: to know Andrew, I love you and I got your back.

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Speaker 1: Any thoughts on the luminary Nikki Giovanni.

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Speaker 4: Just praise as you rest in peace. She died due

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Speaker 4: to complications with lung cancer and right now I think

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Speaker 4: always how I feel about cancer is Bugget, So I

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Speaker 4: hate to see her suffer at all, and I am

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Speaker 4: so grateful for the contributions, the great contributions of the

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Speaker 4: activist input.

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Speaker 5: Nikki Giovanni, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Just echoed that. Just an amazing human, selfless in so

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Speaker 6: many ways, but also really protective of her space, her piece,

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Speaker 6: her privacy. But through her artistic work, her poems and books,

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Speaker 6: I think revealed the whole tremendous amount about herself through

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Speaker 6: her through her art, and so we'll miss her, but

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Speaker 6: for generations, her work will live on. So long as

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Speaker 6: Tiffany Angela, we can stop all this book banning across

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Speaker 6: the country where they're trying to extract her words out

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Speaker 6: of schools and our children's knowledge. So but thankful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my favorite clip of her is her responding to

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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby. So I just got a chance to watch

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Speaker 1: that this week. We don't have time to talk about

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Speaker 1: it today, but I encourage you all to google it

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Speaker 1: because the way that she rode for young revolutionaries was

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Speaker 1: something beautiful to see and something we should all I

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Speaker 1: think reflect on. A mimic. All right, let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: What do we talk about today?

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Speaker 5: Well, we have a lot.

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Speaker 4: I think what has been top of mind for so

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Speaker 4: many of us is what in the hell happened right

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Speaker 4: where we record our podcast in New York. Right outside

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Speaker 4: there was a CEO of course the United Healthcare that

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Speaker 4: was shot and killed by someone. There's a suspect in

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Speaker 4: custody right now, and I.

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Speaker 5: Hope we're going to talk about that.

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Speaker 4: Why, why people have been callous in their response, why

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Speaker 4: the healthcare system is callous?

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Speaker 5: And where do we go from here?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, well I'm interested not only in that, but

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Speaker 6: the IG report that recently came came out this week

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Speaker 6: talking about the first Trump administration where they, of course

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Speaker 6: his Department of Justice blue through the guardrails and uh

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Speaker 6: wire well got the phone records, subpoena phone records, text

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Speaker 6: messages of members of Congress of their own administration, and

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Speaker 6: what that may foretell for the second Trump administration.

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Speaker 4: And just to be clear, Andrew, you're talking about the

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Speaker 4: Department of Justice IG, not Instagram for those of y'all

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Speaker 4: who might confuse.

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Speaker 2: General.

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Speaker 6: I'm so sorry you got to tell us.

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Speaker 4: Now that these phones is speaking of more phone true,

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Speaker 4: there is also a report out that is suggesting that

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Speaker 4: if you are in text communications between your Android friends,

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Speaker 4: the Green Bubbles and your iPhone friends, the Blue Bubbles,

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Speaker 4: Blue Bubbles for Life.

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Speaker 5: You might have some hacks coming from China.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk very briefly about what's happened in Syria.

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Speaker 1: Right before the show, Andrew and I were saying they

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Speaker 1: never put black people on air to talk about these things.

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Speaker 1: So we'll give a brief primber on that. And why

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Speaker 1: do we care what's happening in Syria. I'll get into

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Speaker 1: happy y'all are joining us today this holiday season when

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Speaker 1: I know you could be tuning out the news, but

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Speaker 1: we give it to you straight and no chaser, in

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Speaker 1: a way that is digestible and informative and hopefully a

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Speaker 6: So welcome home, y'all, Oh, welcome home.

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Speaker 1: All right, what y'all want to talk about first? I

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Speaker 1: want to get into the healthcare thing, the healthcare shooting first.

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Speaker 1: Is that good with you guys?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So we don't have to get into the

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Speaker 1: backstory unless you've been living under a rock at this point.

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Speaker 1: You guys all know that Brian Thompson, the CEO of

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Speaker 1: United Healthcare, was gunned down on fifty fourth Street in

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Speaker 1: New York. This is midtown Manhattan. If you've been to

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Speaker 1: a very populated area, frequented by a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: So I thought it was really interesting and the way

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Speaker 1: that the whole thing went down. I don't think this

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Speaker 1: though there's a suspect in custody. I think more details

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Speaker 1: to come. But I like what Angela, what you pointed

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Speaker 1: out about the the callous response to all this. There

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Speaker 1: have been a lot of people making jokes about the murder.

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Speaker 1: Some people have said, you know, sorry, my thoughts and

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Speaker 1: prayers were denied, just like my son's medication was, which listen,

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Speaker 1: I completely understand uh that way, because for some people,

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Speaker 1: if you ever had a claim denied, it can be

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Speaker 1: an inconvenience. You know, you got to stay on the

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Speaker 1: phone longer for other That's what I was just about

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Speaker 1: to say. For other people is a life and death consequence.

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Speaker 1: And there was a really great piece in the New

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Speaker 1: if we can't, I was. I was telling these guys

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Speaker 1: some things that I find interesting about the CEO, other

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Speaker 1: was gunned down. He was under investigation he and some

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Speaker 1: other people at United Health or United Health. I keep

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Speaker 1: saying United health Care, but it's United Health. It was

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Speaker 1: He had sold more than fifteen million dollars worth of

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Speaker 1: offering information. I'm not suggesting anything. I just think there's

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Speaker 1: more to the story. And a lot has certainly come

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Speaker 1: frustrating and heartbreaking. Angela. I'm curious your thoughts on this

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Speaker 1: because I think you have a unique lens one just

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about it all?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I am.

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Speaker 4: I actually didn't really touch health care policy as much,

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Speaker 4: but I will say the way that you know, Obamacare

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Speaker 4: was supposed to help us in understanding and navigating and

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Speaker 4: making health care access more equitable, we are still struggling

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Speaker 4: with that, well into this, into this, into this, into

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Speaker 4: a decade after, right, and we're still navigating this, And

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Speaker 4: I think that that is really really challenging. I think

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Speaker 4: right now, even as I go through the healthcare system

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Speaker 4: that people were as thoughtful about everyone else's loved ones

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Speaker 4: last week with Joe Biden finding the compassion to pardon

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Speaker 4: be paralyzed if you make the wrong move. Someone could

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Speaker 4: lose their life if you make the wrong move, if

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Speaker 4: you deny this claim, And I think that we really

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Speaker 4: have to think about this in a much more compassionate way.

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Speaker 4: It's not a partisan issue. Healthcare is a right, and

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Speaker 4: we've treated it like a privilege for a select few.

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Speaker 4: I'm eager to understand what the motivations would be of Luigi.

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Speaker 4: I can't pronounce his last name, should he?

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Speaker 5: Should it be j? Yeah? I don't know, I pronounce it.

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Speaker 5: But what was the motivation? Yeah? What was the motivation

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Speaker 4: Desiring? If he did kill? To kill the United Healthcare CEO?

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Speaker 4: And I guess yeah, I have more a lot more

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Speaker 5: Not blood for blood.

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Speaker 4: You know, there are a lot of times that are

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Speaker 4: I just ain't here for it, So I don't I

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Speaker 4: don't really understand the ways in which people are responding tip,

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Speaker 1: The yeah, uh it said deny defend the pose And

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Speaker 1: millimeter ammunition found at the scene of the shooting that

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Speaker 1: mimics the phrase delayed, deny defend, which is commonly used

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Speaker 1: I hear you, though, Angela, because the thing is, somebody

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Speaker 1: could just as passionately feel angry about people who wear fur.

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Speaker 1: You know, someone could be just as moved by woke politics.

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Speaker 1: Somebody could be just as moved by a climate change.

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Speaker 1: And you're driving an SUV. So this idea that you

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Speaker 1: something that we should be wary about. Andrew, curious your

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Speaker 6: I think I first separate compassion for him from this

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Speaker 6: larger healthcare crisis, even though his position put him at

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Speaker 6: a you know, at a particular intersection of of of

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Speaker 6: the man personally. I was at one point on United

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Speaker 6: my healthier years as a younger person. But I hear

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Speaker 6: really tragic and horrific stories again separting apart from this

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Speaker 6: the insurance industry, by and largest sort of tastes this

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Speaker 6: very skeptical umbudsmen like view of doctors, basically saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: even that much, I think you saying that much, people

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Speaker 1: will feel seen and heard.

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Speaker 6: For sure, for sure, for sure. Yeah, And so other

441
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Speaker 6: folks are seen and heard. I think about lots of

442
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Speaker 6: the organizing groups who are not the parties, who right

443
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Speaker 6: now suffer because people won't make contributions because they loop

444
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 6: them all in the same boat.

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Speaker 5: That's fair.

446
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Speaker 6: Those organizations are actually doing good work and could do

447
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Speaker 6: much better work had they had folks who were not

448
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Speaker 6: sometime but who were all the timey with regard to

449
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Speaker 6: the support for them and allow them to do that work.

450
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Speaker 6: Latasha Brown is obviously one of them that come to mind.

451
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Speaker 6: And there are a number of groups I could list

452
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Speaker 6: throughout the state that are not party infrastructure, but are

453
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Speaker 6: on the ground, grass roots and are deserving of our

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Speaker 6: SUPPORTI no, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: It's so frustrating, Andrew to hear you say sometimey, because

456
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Speaker 4: when I think of sometimey, I think of people who

457
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Speaker 4: are able to split their demographic in half or more

458
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Speaker 4: sixty forty in a direction that votes against you know,

459
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 4: most of the country's interests as we see them. I

460
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Speaker 4: know that interests are of course in the eyes of

461
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 4: the holder and are entirely subjective. But when I think

462
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Speaker 4: about Black people, I don't think that we're some timy

463
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Speaker 4: at all, especially in our body politic, because our folks

464
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 4: have continuously laid it all on the line, and I

465
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 4: think this exhaustion is a real thing, Like you know,

466
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Speaker 4: from the spiritual political, economic, economic, and mental level, Like

467
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Speaker 4: it has really.

468
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Speaker 5: Hit our folks on every side.

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Speaker 4: So I just I just would say, like, I'm not

470
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Speaker 4: someone who is prone to give up easily, and I've

471
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Speaker 4: definitely been in organizing mode, but I'm organizing from a

472
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Speaker 4: point of rage.

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Speaker 5: You know.

474
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Speaker 4: For for Jamie Harrison recently to have said, like my

475
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Speaker 4: term ends in February, and when it ends, I'm naming names.

476
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Speaker 4: It's something that I think is heart wrenching because I

477
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Speaker 4: remember how he went into the DNC. Jamie went into

478
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 4: the DNC to see real change. I mean, just like

479
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 4: the people you're talking about, Latasha, Adrian Sharpshire, April Varia,

480
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: a Sciu, like all of these folks that have dedicated

481
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Speaker 4: their lives to ensuring that we wouldn't be left behind,

482
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Speaker 4: that people without a boat, that would not be drowned

483
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Speaker 4: in the rising tide, you know, Like, I just I

484
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 4: think that it is so much bigger than that. There's

485
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Speaker 4: a place for donors, and there's a place for doorknockers,

486
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Speaker 4: and there's a place for all of that, all of

487
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Speaker 4: our work, but there's very rarely a place for our needs.

488
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Speaker 4: And I think that also has to really shift, Like

489
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Speaker 4: there needs to be a place just for listening. Right now,

490
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 4: we should be in a posture of hearing what people

491
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Speaker 4: feel like they needed that was completely ignored and has

492
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Speaker 4: been for decades, you know. So I'm wrestling with that piece.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's what I mean by the conversation,

494
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Speaker 6: yeah and yeah, the whole not being blindsided so that

495
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Speaker 6: you start to hear, listen, and react. And maybe the

496
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Speaker 6: reaction is just I hear you, I see you, and

497
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 6: I hate that that happened. But when I talk about

498
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 6: the stime, I think about some of the people who

499
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 6: tell me, Man, I vote for you, but I ain't

500
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 6: voted since I ain't. You know, we could win with you, this, this,

501
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 6: that and the third, and I think, well, that's not

502
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Speaker 6: how we're going to ultimately win. I kind of you know,

503
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 6: we please believe nobody's more hurt than me about the laws.

504
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 6: But I still have to get up each time and

505
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 6: participate in the process because we're in the pursuit of

506
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 6: the more, not like this is it. This is judgment,

507
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 6: and once it's over, you are the win. You've lost,

508
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 6: and now everybody you know goes home. That's not what

509
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 6: it is. It, This this change that we all seek

510
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 6: the structures institutions that exist that contribute to our subjugation,

511
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 6: to our oppression, weren't built overnight. They've been sustained over centuries,

512
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 6: over centuries, that's hundreds of years, and they won't be

513
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 6: dismantled overnight, and so it just requires something more of us.

514
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 6: I understand the exhaustion. I get it. I myself experienced

515
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 6: exhaustion and have in the past as well. But when

516
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 6: we think about half the country still didn't vote. Millions

517
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 6: of Democrats voted in twenty twenty decided that in twenty

518
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 6: twenty four wasn't worth it. That's what I mean. That's

519
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Speaker 6: the some time we have to get back and figure

520
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Speaker 6: out how we engage, listen, and then activate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, over ninety million people. I think as we talk about,

522
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: like you know, people falling off and this is a

523
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: discussion for another time, we were asking people to believe

524
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Speaker 1: in the system in a way, you know, as people

525
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Speaker 1: believe in the country. I think people need something to

526
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Speaker 1: believe in, and right now there's not a lot to

527
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Speaker 1: believe in. So before we go ask people to do anything,

528
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Speaker 1: I think we have to have a conversation about what

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Speaker 1: do we believe in right now? And maybe that's the

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Speaker 1: really pot Maybe that's uh yeah, okay, well maybe we'll

531
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: do that on this one or when y'all are ready.

532
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: But I think that's a conversation happen.

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Speaker 5: I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: I like, well, this is what I do believe in.

535
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: I do believe that the country of China we have

536
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 1: a very adversarial but necessary relationship with and so I

537
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: and I also deeply believe in the inappropriate text that

538
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Speaker 1: I have sent over the years that I would not

539
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: want anyone else reading. So Angelier, tell me what I

540
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: need to know and what I need to do, because

541
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Speaker 1: I don't want any of my text message.

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00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: Well, well, first and foremost iPhone user, if you want

543
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 4: to continue to send whatever inappropriate text you send it to,

544
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: I'm not there's no judgment here, But whatever text you

545
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Speaker 4: want to send, I hope that your booth thing or

546
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: potential booth things are also iPhone users, because otherwise you

547
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Speaker 4: asked out.

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00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 5: Probably literally unintended. If it is a green bubble, I'm

549
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 5: here to burst Joe bubble. Basically, you have what.

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Speaker 4: You've been told by the FBI is that if you

551
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: are texting from an iPhone to an android or an

552
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 4: Android to an iPhone, your messages are compromised, and they're

553
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 4: also warning this is new from last week. They're warning

554
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 4: that What's App, Signal and Facebook Messenger also need to

555
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 4: have some updates. Senator Ron Wyden is now pushing for

556
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Speaker 4: telecom companies to have some stricter standards to protect the

557
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Speaker 4: American people. Hopefully there will be some bipartisan agreement there.

558
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, we are We're in a situation now where

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Speaker 4: we have our chats are on Signal. Some of them disappear,

560
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: some of them don't, some of them we keep perpetually,

561
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 4: and if chats are ever to get out, we.

562
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Speaker 5: Losing every job we have a had. So we just

563
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Speaker 5: just to be super clear.

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Speaker 4: And there are people at home biting fingernails because you

565
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Speaker 4: also would be up a creek. So yeah, I think

566
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: that the most important thing here to know is that yes,

567
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 4: there it was called Salt Typhoon in China, and the

568
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: Chinese government has denied any involvement with Salt Typhoon, but

569
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 4: that is what they're saying has compromised these cross platform communications.

570
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 4: That it's not into D encrypted unless you are an

571
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Speaker 4: I message user. And even though Signal is there has

572
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 4: some updates that are needed. I'm saying signal because I would.

573
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Speaker 4: I have never used Facebook Messenger, I ain't never make

574
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 4: there and what happens on by meta as well. Mark

575
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: zucker Berg, I need to understand what you got going on, friend,

576
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 4: because you really messed us up in twenty sixteen.

577
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 5: I ain't forgiven you yet.

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Speaker 6: Does this harken back at all to the snapchat conversation?

579
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Speaker 6: Wasn't Was it the warning from the federal government at

580
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Speaker 6: the time when they talked about banning it was that.

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Speaker 1: TikTok you talk about that they were talking about.

582
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Speaker 5: I'm so sorry Andrew's in here. It's you know, spreading misinformation.

583
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 6: No, there was never much about correct one platform from

584
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Speaker 6: the all.

585
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 5: He's the same. The grandfather looked all of them the same.

586
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: I think Snaptat's parents. Is that metal.

587
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 6: Which one I want to talk about one?

588
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: That y.

589
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 5: That's to be clear.

590
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: TikTok is owned by byte Dance, which is a company

591
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: based in China, and there was.

592
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 6: Believe to be is believed to wholly owned by the government.

593
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: Yes, well it was.

594
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 6: That's what the government is alleging that it is.

595
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 5: But what they I haven't heard that.

596
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: What they've alleged that it is a platform that is

597
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 4: used to spy on us by China.

598
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: Yes, right, it was never owned by the Chinese government,

599
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: but when it initially came out that was the big

600
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Speaker 1: concern that they were pulling data from us. Now the

601
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Speaker 1: person who owns it. I believe the CEO is from

602
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: South Korea because there was an embarrassing back and forth

603
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: between him and one of the senators who kept saying

604
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: asking about China. He was like, Senator, I'm not Chinese.

605
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm not from China, so I but anyway, Yes, the

606
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: point is because I don't want to start speaking about

607
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: something I'm not super clear on. The point is when

608
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Speaker 1: you're on your phones and sending text this is always

609
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: a good idea to remember that nothing is really private,

610
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: you know, and the text don't really disappear like they

611
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: will always be accessible. But it does make me fearful,

612
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: quite honestly about what and I'm you know, I was

613
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Speaker 1: being a bit facetious about the text message I've sent.

614
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Speaker 1: What is really more concerning is how they're using that information.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I've talked about some of the concerns on TikTok, which

617
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Speaker 1: could essentially be transcend to other platforms as well. If

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Speaker 1: an adversarial nation is watching what you're searching, watching what

619
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Speaker 1: you're sending, learning everything about you, because that's what espionage

620
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: is now. It's more digital, and you know, you might

621
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Speaker 1: not care, but if this person that you're watching works

622
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Speaker 1: for the NSA, or if this person that you're watching

623
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Speaker 1: works for Goldman Sachs or one of our global financial institutions,

624
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: and they can knock us off the grid or learn

625
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: some information that they shouldn't, or they can tell by

626
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: your hand movements and eye movements and what you're looking

627
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: at a lot about you and they can flip you,

628
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: or they can approach you, or they can threaten you.

629
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Speaker 1: Or you said something inappropriate and they can you know, uh,

630
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Speaker 1: threaten or blackmail you and they're doing something right, extort you.

631
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, So those things are definitely something to

632
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Speaker 1: be concerned about.

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Speaker 6: But I would add, oh, go ahead, and I was

634
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Speaker 6: just gonna say, add to your list. That also the

635
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 6: intelligence that's being gained about whole communities. So say black

636
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 6: men are communicating in certain ways, and are you see

637
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 6: repeated themes coming up? This is how they get to

638
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 6: intrude in our elections and weed out, you know, weed

639
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 6: into the into the crevices of cipher issues. Yes, and

640
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 6: know exactly who to talk to about those things because

641
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 6: they have analyzed it enough. They know exactly what we're

642
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 6: talking about when we're just talking amongst each other. Yeah,

643
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 6: I like just weaponized.

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00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: I would be on some of that just which.

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00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 5: Is a quick uh correction before we go to break.

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00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 4: Snapchat is not owned by Meta and thank you by

647
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 4: snap ink.

648
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I do not want to be

649
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: spreading mis information. Thank you for that real time fact check.

650
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: We gotta do, Yes, we gotta go to break. But Andrew,

651
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: if you do have insight on how I can get

652
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: access to some of those black man group chats, hell,

653
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: I would like you know, no black men, but every

654
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: black man group chat that I've tried to look at

655
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Speaker 1: is as shot somewhere in every black man group chat

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Speaker 1: I've seen. Yes, they send as shots to each other

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Speaker 1: all the time, some other yeah girl Instagram thoughts, and

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Speaker 1: they all share the things my.

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Speaker 4: Friend stupid enough to like the actual posts on i G.

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Speaker 4: And speaking of i G, we're gonna talk about anyway.

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Speaker 1: I do all have about them looking but I used

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Speaker 1: to ask my friend's husband all the time, like, what

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Speaker 1: are you all talking about in the group chat. Finally

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Speaker 1: like you want to see and I'm just scrolling through

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Speaker 1: ashot after that.

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Speaker 6: It rageous though.

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Speaker 1: No, She's like, girl, you don't want to see what

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Speaker 1: they got in that group chat. I promise And she

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Speaker 1: was right and the wife, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I just want to say, we're going to break and

671
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Speaker 4: we just did one kind of ig report, but on

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Speaker 4: the other side of the break, we're going to do

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Speaker 4: an actual inspector general report the conversation, so we'll be

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Speaker 4: right back.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Native Lyndpud.

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Speaker 5: It's Robin from Portland.

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Speaker 8: Hey, I'm wondering what you guys think about the request

678
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Speaker 8: for a recount Kamala Harris's campaign. Forensic experts all over

679
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 8: the country are saying that the election software was compromised

680
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Speaker 8: since the civil litigation in Georgia found that the Allies

681
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Speaker 8: illegally accessed election software in twenty twenty in a multi

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Speaker 8: state effort to compromise the election and swing states, and

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Speaker 8: the DOJ and the FBI failed to act. So now,

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Speaker 8: election security experts are raising concern that Elon Musk weaponized

685
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Speaker 8: information that he collected with his superpack America Pack to

686
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Speaker 8: tip the scale in swing states when they created bullet

687
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Speaker 8: votes with just Trump's name at the top of no

688
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Speaker 8: down ballot votes. So precisely why Trump was swaying at

689
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Speaker 8: the end of the campaign in his rallies and saying, you'll.

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Speaker 5: Never have to vote again.

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Speaker 8: There's been a lot of good information out there from

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Speaker 8: people high up in the political ecosystem requesting a recount.

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Speaker 5: What do y'all think, Chow?

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Speaker 4: I think that I don't know what to think. I'm

695
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Speaker 4: telling you this right now. I go back and forth

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Speaker 4: every other day about if there was some type of interference.

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Speaker 4: I want to believe there must have been, because it

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Speaker 4: is so hard for me to fathom that Kamala Harris

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Speaker 4: lost every battleground state. And then I go back to

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Speaker 4: the experiences that these staffers had that has now been,

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Speaker 4: of course reported in the New York Times. By the way,

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Speaker 4: I did not leak that call. So pissed off that

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Speaker 4: that call was leaked. I'm so pissed off about it.

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Speaker 1: Can you get background on that that we were talking

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Speaker 1: about this in our group chat, and I if you,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if you step away from our group

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Speaker 1: chat for five minutes, you come back and it's one

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Speaker 1: hundred messages. And I could never scroll up. But I

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Speaker 1: just saw Angela Lee call New York Times what happened.

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Speaker 4: So I talked about this on the podcast briefly last time,

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Speaker 4: just in general terms, because I wanted to affirm their

712
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Speaker 4: stories and to let them know that I believed them

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Speaker 4: and their experiences. But we did a call with Kamala

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Speaker 4: Harris staffers from the campaign. People need jobs when they're leaving,

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Speaker 4: and so the call was supposed to be about how

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Speaker 4: like one for me somebody who I see as a

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Speaker 4: big sister, thank you for supporting her. How can I

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Speaker 4: make sure that y'all are all good? And I thought

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Speaker 4: it was gonna be a group of like ten, It

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Speaker 4: ended up being over fifty five plus staffers talking about

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Speaker 4: what they wanted to do next. And that call quickly

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Speaker 4: turned to some really big complaints, some really hurt feelings,

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Speaker 4: some rage about their experiences on the campaign, frustrated that

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Speaker 4: there was a lot kept away from the principal, some

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Speaker 4: really really bad experiences with the campaign manager, the deputy

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Speaker 4: or the campaign chair, the deputy campaign manager really really rough.

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Speaker 5: And then some folks that.

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Speaker 4: They put in place to oversee the states, particularly the

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Speaker 4: battleground states, with young, cocky white boys who weren't listening

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Speaker 4: to them, and not all of the states were. There

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Speaker 4: was a state director, for example, or LT who's a

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Speaker 4: friend in North Carolina. Some of this stuff wasn't getting

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Speaker 4: back to her. So there's a lot of really, really

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Speaker 4: bad reports. And I think what is worse than their

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Speaker 4: bad reports and their experiences is the fact that people

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Speaker 4: went out on a limb believing it was a safe

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Speaker 4: space and it was shared. So I was pissed off.

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Speaker 4: I said, this call should never see the light of day.

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Speaker 4: These people did not consent to be recorded. I certainly

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Speaker 4: did not consent to being recorded, and I would have

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Speaker 4: never shared what these folks were sharing without their express consent.

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Speaker 1: So someone let the call to the New York Times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they recorded the zoom and shared it, and I

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Speaker 4: don't know where else they shared it. But I think

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Speaker 4: that that is one a way to quickly make enemies too,

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Speaker 4: a way to prevent us from figuring out how we

747
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Speaker 4: strategize together ensuring that something like this never happens again.

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Speaker 4: Which brings me back to the recount. I would like

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Speaker 4: to see a recount. I would like to understand if

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Speaker 4: there were any software failures, any machine failures, anything, because

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Speaker 4: I just cannot make sense of this. Something doesn't sit

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Speaker 4: right with me. I'll say out of our group group

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Speaker 4: chat tip and Andrew, you'll appreciate the person I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: say the biggest conspiracy and there are me and Latasha.

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Speaker 6: Some feel right.

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Speaker 4: We don't have no data on it yet, but something

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Speaker 4: don't feel right.

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Speaker 1: So I you know I have I hope you and

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Speaker 1: Latasha are right because my rage comes from a place

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Speaker 1: that the elections ran smoothly, like we have not heard

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Speaker 1: stories of people having challenges with voting.

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Speaker 5: There aren't.

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Speaker 1: Well tell me if I'm wrong. I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: like there might be anecdotal stories, but by and LARSA

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Speaker 1: data does not say, you know, these seventy five thousand

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Speaker 1: votes didn't count. We did have that last time. We

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Speaker 1: had that or not last time, But in twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: we had examples of massive votes that were missing or

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Speaker 1: not counted.

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Speaker 5: We did.

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Speaker 4: They've heard so many beforehand, they heard so many beforehand,

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Speaker 4: and there were a number of people who didn't get

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Speaker 4: their ballots in certain states.

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Speaker 5: I think it was Georgia was one where they were.

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Speaker 1: Seeing they not enough though to this scale, you know, like, yes,

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Speaker 1: all those are.

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Speaker 6: The real disenfranchisement those choosing big.

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Speaker 1: That is the point I'm trying to make from the

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Speaker 1: people who from the eligible voters who dish open vote.

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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Angela. I hear what you're saying, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: like it was the suppression that that led to death

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Speaker 1: from the years prior so that that this year right, right,

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Speaker 1: and this year, but there were not massive issues of

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Speaker 1: voter fraud on that scale that would have led to

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Speaker 1: the results that we saw in that in the election.

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Speaker 1: And so my rage comes from the fact that so

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Speaker 1: many people in this country saw who Donald Trump was

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Speaker 1: and decided, yes, I will vote for this man. So

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Speaker 1: I would rather Angela, you be right that there's some

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Speaker 1: big conspiracy that we all missed. I just don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I think to your point, Andrew, it was people who

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Speaker 1: stayed home. Again, we have to talk about what do

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Speaker 1: we believe in and give people a reasonab believer.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's kind of where I hold my I don't

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Speaker 6: know of his anger, but their real disappointment is in

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Speaker 6: those of us who said this election wasn't worth showing

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Speaker 6: up for for all the whatever myriad of reasons. And

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Speaker 6: I want to know them, and I want to know

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Speaker 6: what about them can be addressed and solved. Two other observations. One,

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Speaker 6: the battleground states almost always all go the same way.

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Speaker 6: They almost all collapse in the same direction. It's it's

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Speaker 6: in in large part very much so, a very similar

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Speaker 6: voter across those those states. And I'm thinking Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 6: I'm missing one other that I wanted to name check. Uh,

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Speaker 6: it'll come to me in a minute. But but but

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Speaker 6: but essentially those four states almost always collapse the same way.

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Speaker 6: And what I would attribute to that is that late

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Speaker 6: deciding voters and those states that typically run just sort

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Speaker 6: of neck and neck with each other, lake deciding voters

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Speaker 6: also almost always break the same way. You don't usually

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Speaker 6: have late deciders all sort of sty splitting the baby.

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Speaker 6: They typically break the same way. The second observation around

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Speaker 6: the recount, which I'm not obviously opposed to. I like

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Speaker 6: to no longer delay the trauma. But if there is

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Speaker 6: something to be learned, we should learn it. But in

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Speaker 6: this country, the reason why it's very difficult to hack

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Speaker 6: elections is each state. In fact, each county has jurisdiction

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Speaker 6: over what equipment they use. In most states, and the

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Speaker 6: process for which days will be holiday you know, early

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Speaker 6: voting days, if they'll have them. States might have a

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Speaker 6: general sort of landscape of what has to happen, but counties,

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Speaker 6: the county level is where elections are run. So you

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Speaker 6: would you would there's not a database in which all

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Speaker 6: these things are going into one central hub and then

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Speaker 6: you hack that hub. You would have to literally go

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Speaker 6: into individual precincts at individual county levels for the kind

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Speaker 6: of scale of hacking that would be required in order

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Speaker 6: to turn you know, these kinds of national elections. That's

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Speaker 6: the frankly all that is the one that is the

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Speaker 6: one solved. That's the one thing I feel really good

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Speaker 6: about following the two thousand election coming out of Florida

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Speaker 6: was that the national trend wasn't to make everybody on

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Speaker 6: the same system, the same database, pouring into the same

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Speaker 6: location for a national elections to take place, because that,

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Speaker 6: to me, would have been tragic and would have I

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Speaker 6: think destroyed and completely undermined a lot of people's faith

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Speaker 6: in the election. So the decentralized nature of elections in

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Speaker 6: this country, I think is just one measure of security

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Speaker 6: that we can all if there is something we can

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Speaker 6: take you know some some relief in it could be

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Speaker 6: that now just want to transition really quickly, Angela, the

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Speaker 6: picking backup where you left off on these sort of

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Speaker 6: your information not being your information alone. Well, the same

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Speaker 6: DOJ that issue that morning is the same DOJ Department

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Speaker 6: of Justice who during the the Donald Trump first term

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Speaker 6: in office, who would not comply with its own procedures

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Speaker 6: when it saw journalist phones and email records and their

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Speaker 6: quote leak investigations, and who had the augacity to request

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Speaker 6: the record records the department to request the phone records,

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Speaker 6: text messages, and phone logs of forty three congressional staffers

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Speaker 6: and two Democratic House members, those House members being Adam

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Speaker 6: Shift of California Now senators shift.

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Speaker 5: Swall sound like jam Trump shift?

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Speaker 6: Yes, shift, that's I mean.

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Speaker 1: Shift C H H I F F T no T

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Speaker 1: no T shift.

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Speaker 6: A ship Okay, my bad, y'all Adam Schiff, Senator Adam

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Speaker 6: Schiff uh.

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Speaker 5: And Senator Yeah Eric.

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Speaker 6: Kamala Harris yesterday two days ago.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know what, maybe that's right because the pastor,

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Speaker 1: Thelfonso Delfonso was temporary, so maybe she did.

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Speaker 6: All I know is he was sworn in with the

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Speaker 6: New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Fella two days ago, Adam Siff.

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Speaker 6: In any regard though that that can this is alarming

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Speaker 6: to me for a couple of reasons. One, Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: and the Department of Justice. At the point that the

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Speaker 6: Department of Justice decided to subpoena the congressional staffers, these

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Speaker 6: were Republican and Democratic staffers, committee staffers, and two members

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Speaker 6: of Congress. That decision was made during Jeff Sessions term

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Speaker 6: as Attorney General, and Sessions had recused himself from this

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Speaker 6: and thatstigation involving Russia and the twenty sixteen Trump campaign

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Speaker 6: carter page and their ties to the state of Russia,

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Speaker 6: the government of Russia with regard to election interference. That

876
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Speaker 6: was the quote unquote investigation the Department of Justice was seeking.

877
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 6: Additional information was the leakage of classified information. And they

878
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 6: then went into the again the emails, this personal cell

879
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 6: phone records of these congressional staffers and the two Democratic

880
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Speaker 6: House members. What happened there was Jeff Sessions, the Attorney

881
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Speaker 6: General at the time, did not provide sign off because

882
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Speaker 6: he had recused himself from that investigation. The sign off

883
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 6: came from line prosecutors. So when you think about a

884
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 6: DOJ and you know and trusting, you know, really important

885
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 6: information there. These are decisions that are now being made

886
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 6: by line prosecutors who are going to be the same

887
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 6: you know folks under the Trump administration, with interference from

888
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 6: the top, who who may be given guidance y'all into

889
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 6: who they can tap, when they can tap what is

890
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 6: determined to be the nature of an investigation. And the

891
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,959
Speaker 6: fact that it was done to a separate but coequal

892
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 6: branch of government is extremely alarming because this is the

893
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 6: same branch of government that can conduct inquiries over actions

894
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 6: of the executive branch. And if they now have to

895
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 6: look over their back to see that they can be

896
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Speaker 6: personally investigated by the DOJ while at the same time

897
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 6: investigating the executive branch, we can have a real problem

898
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 6: in this upcoming Trump administration. I think all of us

899
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 6: know that we don't expect everything to be on the

900
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 6: up and up at DJ, but we are skirting real

901
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 6: serious lines, not only as it relates to a separate

902
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 6: and co equal branch of government, but also the journalists

903
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 6: who whose records were taken were taken without their notice,

904
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Speaker 6: they were not informed at the time, and the private companies,

905
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 6: cell phone companies, the providers were forbidden from telling the

906
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Speaker 6: users their customers that they had given that data over

907
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 6: and the same is true for the congressional staffers. Those

908
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 6: companies could not share with their customers that their information

909
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 6: have been gathered. And y'all all just end here. This

910
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 6: is alarming to me because at one point these companies

911
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 6: had real stiff spines when it came to keeping your

912
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Speaker 6: information private, and now as the government continues its intrusion,

913
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Speaker 6: we all have to be worried about where this may lead.

914
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Speaker 6: And Angel, I know you have additional context for this,

915
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Speaker 6: giving your experience on the Hill.

916
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it, well, it's not that it's just from reading

917
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Speaker 4: the report. I'll say that the eight reporters came from

918
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Speaker 4: the Washington Post, CNN, New York Times. And the one

919
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Speaker 4: thing that I think is also important here is, yes,

920
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Speaker 4: it was two Democratic members of Congress, but there were

921
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Speaker 4: twenty GOP staffers, twenty one Democrats and two nonpartisan staffers.

922
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Speaker 4: This matters to me for two reasons. One is, in

923
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Speaker 4: twenty fourteen, the Department of Justice stood up a process,

924
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Speaker 4: a news media policy that was to prevent something like

925
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Speaker 4: this from happening. And what they did between twenty seventeen

926
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Speaker 4: and twenty twenty when this happened, is basically overthrew that

927
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Speaker 4: entire policy. And so the Inspector General said that they

928
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Speaker 4: were troubled that these failures occurred just a few years

929
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Speaker 4: after they announced this news media policy. Additionally, they failed

930
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Speaker 4: to convene the News Media Review Committee to consider the

931
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Speaker 4: compulsory process authorization requests, which is of course what you're

932
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 4: talking about, where everyone has to turn over these records

933
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Speaker 4: and not notify the entities or the people whose privacy

934
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Speaker 4: was violated. They say in this report that it was

935
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Speaker 4: not politically motivated. It okay, I question that, just given

936
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Speaker 4: the way that Bill Barr runs and the and the

937
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Speaker 4: way that.

938
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Speaker 5: Donald Trump runs. So this is fascinating.

939
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Speaker 4: I'm eager to see what would happen under a tenure

940
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Speaker 4: with Patel at the Helm and others, who was.

941
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Speaker 6: Also one of the people whose information was was compromised,

942
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Speaker 6: and he brought lawsuit against the Department of Justice and

943
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Speaker 6: it was thrown out by a federal judge. Well, he

944
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Speaker 6: does like the suit. But Angel, the reason why the

945
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Speaker 6: bipartisan that the non partisan district, I know you will.

946
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Speaker 6: I just want to just very quickly the reason why

947
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Speaker 6: it doesn't matter to me that this was supposedly non

948
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 6: partisan and not politically motivated, is because under the Trump administration,

949
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Speaker 6: it's going to be motivated by who his enemies are,

950
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Speaker 6: by who I think it is going to be without

951
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 6: regard to the to the political, and very much so

952
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 6: about who he and and and his folks who are

953
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 6: helmed there fine into the enemy and correct that that was.

954
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Speaker 4: The point, right I'm I'm telling people. It wasn't just Democrats.

955
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Speaker 4: There are Republicans who were impected to They were just

956
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 4: on a staff level and to nonpartisan staff, which means

957
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Speaker 4: they're not political staff.

958
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 5: On the hill. That's the point I'm listening to.

959
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: Well, we've already seen his vengeance happen. So cash me

960
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: tell if you guys listen to the podcast and and

961
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, you know that he's with Trump's pick uh

962
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: nominee to lead the FBI, And just this week Chris

963
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 1: Ray has uh said he will step down from leading

964
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: the FBI. So you can see this is gonna be

965
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Speaker 1: quite the transition to go from someone like Chris Ray

966
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: to Cash Ptel, who has to first be confirmed of

967
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Speaker 1: course by the Senate before he can lead the FBI.

968
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Speaker 1: He has already shown how litigious and vengeful he can be.

969
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: His attorney has already threatened uh people. We know he

970
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: sent a letter to our good friend. A guest was

971
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: on Joy and Reid's show, and he sent a letter

972
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: threatening religious action to not only the guests, but to

973
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: joy Read herself. So this is the beginning, folks like,

974
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: this is what we have been talking about. And he

975
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: has already said that he will figure out ways to

976
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: go after the media criminally and civilly. So I don't

977
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: know what infrastructures are in place. I'd like to spend

978
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: some time actually looking at that. Outside of the constitution,

979
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: of course, but what infrastructures are in place to protect

980
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: the importance of journalism and protecting reporters of privacy, but

981
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: also outside of just people as individuals. And I think

982
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: more in a state of panic, we're so willing to

983
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: give up our rights. This is what happened after nine

984
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: to eleven with the Patriot Acts. You know, people were saying, Oh,

985
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, let's just give up our rights. And

986
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: I think as threats increase the United States, because they will,

987
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of threats that we don't

988
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: hear about, but the threats will definitely increase with the

989
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: United States. I think that we have to be careful

990
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: on if should another domestic terrorist act happen, we have

991
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: to be thoughtful and careful. In the same sentiment, our sister,

992
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Barbara Lee was being the sole person to vote

993
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: against just giving un limited access to declare war. She

994
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: stood alone. Sometimes the shee stands alone when you're on

995
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: the right side of history, and she continues to be

996
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: on the right side of history. So I'm concerned about

997
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Speaker 1: all this happening. I'm glad you brought it up, Angel because.

998
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Speaker 6: If I just I want to say on the media piece,

999
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 6: the reason why I think we have to be more

1000
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 6: alarmed there is because they are often referred to as

1001
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 6: the fourth estate. But largely we don't know about a

1002
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 6: lot of things that could happen without the media's ability

1003
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 6: to get in there, get those four years, talk to

1004
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 6: the people behind the scenes, and get stuff off the

1005
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 6: record that helps to illuminate the situation. If these folks

1006
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 6: can be chilled from being able to do their job,

1007
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 6: this this is a direct fascist attack. You go for

1008
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 6: the media first, so that you don't get to get

1009
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 6: facts out into the into into the public. We don't

1010
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 6: get to know what's going on behind the scenes. We

1011
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 6: don't get to know the kind of encourageons the government

1012
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 6: is increasingly taken on each and every one of our

1013
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 6: individual liberties. So if they can chill the ability for

1014
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 6: journalists to look into what they're doing, y'all, that's the

1015
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 6: fast road to a certain place.

1016
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

1017
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: Well, you know, one of the things that concerns should

1018
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: concern all of us, and that is terrorism, and and

1019
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: you know what could happen should things land here domestically.

1020
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: So we're going to go to break. On the other

1021
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: side of this, I'm going to talk about what is

1022
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: happening in Syria, and I'll tell you why it should matter,

1023
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: and we should get to our CTAs. So don't go anywhere.

1024
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: We'll get to all of that on the other side

1025
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: of this break. We'll see you on the other side.

1026
00:56:54,600 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 2: A man, Well, come, well, come, well, come, well, come,

1027
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: well come, welcome.

1028
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, you guys. I know you've been

1029
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: hearing a lot about what's happening in Syria, and I

1030
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: want to quickly just give some context for that. So

1031
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: the Syrian government this month fell with astounding speed, so

1032
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: quickly that it caught us Intel completely off guard. I

1033
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: remember when I saw the breaking news that Damascus had fallen,

1034
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: being really surprised by it. So aside who this, the

1035
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: whole fall of the government ended a nearly half century

1036
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: rule from Asade. He took over for his father in

1037
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Speaker 1: two thousand and he's he's a doctor trained in London.

1038
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: And when his after his father, he took over and

1039
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: the civil war against Asad. You guys will remember the

1040
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: Arab Spring. This was during the Obama administration, and that's

1041
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: when the civil war during a side began. This is

1042
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: when countries throughout the Middle East were rising up against

1043
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: these authoritative regimes. So when this is what's happening, Asd

1044
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: responded by torturing children. This could be kids who were

1045
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: spray painting graffiti on a wall, and he gassed his

1046
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: own people. And so you may remember in twenty eleven

1047
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: seeing the imagery of children on oxygen. It was awful

1048
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: to see these kids have nerve damage and react to

1049
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: being gassed. Now, how was he able to do that

1050
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: with the military support and the direct financial backing of

1051
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: the Iranian government and the Russian government. Now this is

1052
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Speaker 1: where things get a little complicated. When the uprising was happening.

1053
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: These rebel groups started forming their own armed militias, and

1054
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 1: they eventually took Aleppo in Syria. Now, it took four

1055
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: years to get that back, Asad got it back by

1056
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: again gassing his own people. Why do we care Because

1057
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: there are some urgent and pressing questions coming out of

1058
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: the Middle East right now, especially when the United States

1059
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Speaker 1: is going through our own regime change, and when Trump

1060
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Speaker 1: comes back in office, he's looking at a very different

1061
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: Middle East than he did four years ago, so we

1062
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: really do have to be concerned about how he might

1063
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Speaker 1: handle this. First, the question is how might this new

1064
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: regime in Syria deal with Iran? Well, why do we

1065
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: care about that? Well, because of the Iran nuclear Deal.

1066
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Speaker 1: This is a deal that President Obama initiated with the Iranians.

1067
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Speaker 1: President Trump undid the deal, and so now will the

1068
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Speaker 1: new rebels evict Iran out of Syria, same for Russians?

1069
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Speaker 1: Or out of pragmatism, will they seek some sort of

1070
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Speaker 1: compromise or some sort of working relationship with the same

1071
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Speaker 1: people who helped kill them, because remember Iran helped US

1072
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Speaker 1: od gas people, So how might they deal with Iran?

1073
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Speaker 7: Now?

1074
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Speaker 1: How might they deal with Russian now Iran has already

1075
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Speaker 1: proactively said they're not trying to kill Trump. You guys

1076
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: may remember a few weeks ago there was some intel

1077
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Speaker 1: out that they were trying to assassinate Donald Trump. They

1078
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Speaker 1: proactively the government came out and said, hey, we're not

1079
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Speaker 1: trying to do that. Jesse. You know, they were trying

1080
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Speaker 1: to kill Trump, allegedly according to the US Intel for

1081
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Speaker 1: ordering the twenty twenty drone strike that killed General Sulamani.

1082
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Speaker 1: And I remember at the time thinking this was a

1083
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Speaker 1: big deal. This is imagine if somebody came over here

1084
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Speaker 1: and killed our secretary of Defense. You don't go okay,

1085
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: even Stevens takes these back seats were all cool. Now

1086
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: they have played a long game and they're still pissed

1087
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Speaker 1: off about that. So what will happen there? Or will

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Speaker 1: aaron race for their effort to make another nuclear bomb?

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Speaker 1: And this is a weapon that some Iranians view as

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Speaker 1: their last line of defense in this new era of vulnerability. Now,

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Speaker 1: there was a member of Congress, congress Woman Tulsi Gabbard

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Speaker 1: from Hawaii, when all this was happening. Tolfi Gabbard was

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Speaker 1: defending Aside and casting doubt on what US Intel had confirmed,

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Speaker 1: and she started going to bat for a side, but

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Speaker 1: also having some private meetings with a side. Asade has

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Speaker 1: since fled Syria and guess where he went. I'll give

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Speaker 1: you two guesses, Joe, only one Russia. He is now

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Speaker 1: in Russia. And so now that she's expressed these doubts

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Speaker 1: from April twenty seventeen, it flew in the face of

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Speaker 1: US Intel. You have an own member of your government

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Speaker 1: basically saying what you're saying is not true. So Syria

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Speaker 1: is very unstable right now. We don't know what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. The president has the then President Trump, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump then said there can be no dispute in the

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Speaker 1: conclusion that the US Intel has already drawn. So now

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Speaker 1: you've tapped somebody to be d and I the director

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Speaker 1: of National Intel, who was saying the opposite of what

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Speaker 1: you were saying four years ago. I would imagine at

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Speaker 1: Tolci Gabbert's Senate confirmation hearing this is something that will

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Speaker 1: and should come up. The question I would have is,

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Speaker 1: would Gabbard like to see Syria go back in the

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Speaker 1: hands of Aside? What is her recommendation for all how

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Speaker 1: all of this happens? This is something U. It is

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Speaker 1: the Shia Crest, and it matters because of geographically, if

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Speaker 1: you look at the map, there is a route that

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Speaker 1: goes from Syria or well, Iran goes through Syria then

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Speaker 1: to the Gaza straight to the Gaza Strip, and so

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Speaker 1: they're known as like the third arm of the Shia Crest.

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Speaker 1: And so this is something that we all have to

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Speaker 1: care about. One, because the Iran nuclear deal mettals. Two,

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Speaker 1: should terrorism happen, We've made some enemies and we have

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Speaker 1: to be vigilant about terrorism coming to our to our

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Speaker 1: domestic land. And three, given that Iran has been weakened

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Speaker 1: by its proxies a lot of what has happened in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East, this is a big deal. Now, I

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Speaker 1: am no expert on Middle East politics. I definitely have

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Speaker 1: been reading a lot about Middle East politics my whole

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Speaker 1: career in more recent years the rise of the Global South.

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Speaker 1: When I wanted to talk about this, I was a

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Speaker 1: little concerned because I said, I'm not really sure of

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Speaker 1: the role of Israel here and how they might capitalize

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Speaker 1: on this. And leave it to my brother Andrew to say,

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Speaker 1: well are you going to talk about it? And y'aho,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I wasn't really clear on that,

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Speaker 1: but you are, so tell me what I'm missing in

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Speaker 1: my assessment.

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Speaker 6: It is well one, thank you you thoroughly. I think

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Speaker 6: covered really the high points on this. I would just

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Speaker 6: say Israel and just side note this. Benjamin Now, who

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Speaker 6: the Prime Minister of Visual right now, happens to be

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Speaker 6: on trial, a criminal trial in Israel. So it's spending

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Speaker 6: his day hours when he's not being pulled out of

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Speaker 6: the courtroom basically trying to save his hive in avoid

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Speaker 6: jail time. But what we also know is happening and

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Speaker 6: while he is being pulled out of court a couple

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Speaker 6: of times throughout the day these last several days, is

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Speaker 6: because right now Israel is launching Jerne strikes into Israel.

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Speaker 6: They say, to weaken any potential French group in threat

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Speaker 6: that might arise against the state of Israel. Now, the groups,

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Speaker 6: all of the separate groups that came together previously, they

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Speaker 6: hadn't fighting each other and therefore they could not get

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Speaker 6: Bush Heir out aside out of office because they had

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Speaker 6: so much sectarian and territorial strife amongst each other. Syria

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Speaker 6: is a country that frankly has many countries playing directly

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Speaker 6: in its yard. Israel has interest there, Turkey has a

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Speaker 6: significant involvement there, Iran as we've already heard, and then

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Speaker 6: you have other largely Muslim states surrounding this area who

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Speaker 6: also have interests. Can imagine here in the US if

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Speaker 6: we had a bunch of different countries who had actual

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Speaker 6: interests in our country and could basically, as through their proxies,

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Speaker 6: wage their interest on their behalf on our land. That's

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Speaker 6: what they have going on there. But I will say,

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Speaker 6: over the last couple of days, if you've paid attention,

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of excitement there on in Syria, as

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Speaker 6: women are being told that they will not have to

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Speaker 6: return to the old conservative days where their attire and

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Speaker 6: their ability to work and how they show up in

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Speaker 6: society would be harshly judged and quite frankly made illegal again.

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Speaker 6: They plan, their leader plans to have a country that

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Speaker 6: is also respectful of other faiths or other religious traditions.

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Speaker 6: That would be a marked change, a marked difference from

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Speaker 6: what is happening there. But in truth, the current leadership

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Speaker 6: is right now identified by the United States as a

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Speaker 6: terrorist group. We don't know what the future US relations

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Speaker 6: will be and the incoming President has already said. When

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Speaker 6: Aside was ejected, he said that this is something that

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Speaker 6: Russia and Iran can deal with, that the United States

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Speaker 6: is going to take a back seat. Well, that's extremely problematic.

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Speaker 6: We have nine hundred US American troops on the ground

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Speaker 6: in Syria. Is not a place where we can take

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Speaker 6: our eyes off. And then, finally, what I am hopeful

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Speaker 6: won't be a continuous overreach by Israel is this bombing

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Speaker 6: that could then lead to again another generational set of

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Speaker 6: enemies against the state of Israel. I think they really

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Speaker 6: ought to take a long look at. Yes, they're security

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Speaker 6: at this moment, but more importantly, how do we put

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Speaker 6: Israel on a path to nonviolence within the region where

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Speaker 6: they can be respected by the nations that surround them

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Speaker 6: and not become the ire of of of their worst

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Speaker 6: intentions by basically creating a whole nother generation of folks, communities,

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Speaker 6: other countries, neighboring countries who find them to be to

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Speaker 6: be enemies. But we certainly watch this. It does have

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Speaker 6: US implications, major US implications. We do have an interest

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Speaker 6: in the area, and I hope Trump that will we

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Speaker 6: consider what he has said. And then, very lastly, Tolci

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Speaker 6: Gabbert's interconnection here. She basically cheerleaded Bashar Alasade, and now

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Speaker 6: she is going to be the person, if confirmed, who

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Speaker 6: provides the daily briefing book of threats to the United

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Speaker 6: States to the president. The daily she will determine what

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Speaker 6: is in that threat assessment book and what stays out

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Speaker 6: of that threat assessment book. And it worries me to

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Speaker 6: no end who she may be doing the bidding for.

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Speaker 6: I can tell you this right now. I do not

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Speaker 6: believe that her bidding ultimately at this stage is ultimately

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Speaker 6: and singularly for the United States. And if you're the

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Speaker 6: for the president, you better have the USA on your

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Speaker 6: mind twenty four to seven, and it better be at

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Speaker 6: the lead of your interest and not that of another nation.

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Speaker 1: It's frightening, Angine, just really quickly to put it in

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Speaker 1: context on how you know they're looking at the new

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Speaker 1: leadership in Syria as a terrorist regime could be. I

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Speaker 1: haven't dug deep enough to see who this group is,

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Speaker 1: but just for context, they do not consider net Yahoo

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Speaker 1: and the IDF a terrorist regime. And I think we've

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Speaker 1: all seen things that happened coming out of net and

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Speaker 1: Yahoo's government, and including looking at it, the International Court

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Speaker 1: has already determined that what he is doing is morally

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Speaker 1: and legally wrong, and including the killing of children. We

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Speaker 1: always say women and children, as if men's lives don't matter.

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Speaker 1: But I want to point out how many children this

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Speaker 1: man under in his regime has murdered and they are

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Speaker 1: not designated a terrorist organization anyway. Let's get the calls

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Speaker 1: to action on that note. Yes, yes, I don't really

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Speaker 1: what you got Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 5: Well we're not on air.

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Speaker 6: I love it. Welcome home everybody, And I just I

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Speaker 6: think my uh called action is going to be tangential

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Speaker 6: to what you just said, Angela, and that is we

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Speaker 6: had a questioner a week last week who submitted their

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Speaker 6: question using what do you call that? Yeah, the emoji image,

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Speaker 6: which you know is cool, and we got some feedback

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Speaker 6: from you all, some of it to our reactions to it,

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Speaker 6: basically saying, hey, look y'all, everybody isn't comfortable being on video.

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Speaker 6: I hope y'all don't you know, disqualify this as a

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Speaker 6: as a as a as a potential entry. And I

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Speaker 6: think you heard our various perspectives. I want to reiterate

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Speaker 6: that certainly not from my standpoint, is there a prohibition

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Speaker 6: on those. I get that everybody is incomfortable, and in

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Speaker 6: some people's instances it might be that for your job

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Speaker 6: and your well being, you can't be on camera. And

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Speaker 6: so I think we want to be open to the

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Speaker 6: myriad of ways in which you ask questions. But mostly.

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Speaker 6: I think all of our intention is is to try

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Speaker 6: to build a really safe community, and I think part

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Speaker 6: of that for us in looking at you is being

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Speaker 6: able to see you. But but but but whether you

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Speaker 6: choose to go on camera or whether you choose an emoji,

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Speaker 6: we want you to keep that that feedback questions comments,

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Speaker 6: Uh uh what do you call them?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't knowshment strategyishment, yea, all of it you said,

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Speaker 6: cuss out. I tried to use it ord like admonishments coming.

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Speaker 6: Whatever that is, keep it coming in all of its forms.

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Speaker 1: And we heard, we've read those comments on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: I every week I say I'm gonna shout out some

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Speaker 1: of the people on YouTube, and I keep forgetting. So

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Speaker 1: I do want you all to know that we appreciate

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Speaker 1: all your feedback on YouTube, on Instagram, everywhere you leave

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Speaker 1: a comment, We consume it, we read it, we hear you,

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Speaker 1: because this is a platform for you too.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I don't really have a political call to action, but

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Speaker 1: it is a very important and necessary one for me.

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Speaker 1: And that is I know it's the holiday season and

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Speaker 1: people are giving gifts. Okay, I just want to say

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Speaker 1: dogs are not Christmas gifts. Okay, it's like giving somebody

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Speaker 1: a two month old or two year old who's never

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Speaker 1: going to grow up. I don't care about you shaking

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Speaker 1: your head, Andrew, it's like giving somebody I know, but

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Speaker 1: I already know how you feel about pets. I do

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Speaker 1: not believe that you should give somebody a two year

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Speaker 1: old and say here's a responsibility for the next fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: You can't be telling these kids like, Okay, is your

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Speaker 1: dog and you're responsible, Like no, this is a living, breathing,

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Speaker 1: sacent being, you know, and you have to care for

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Speaker 1: this animal who loves you so much. If you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get a dog and leave them tied up outside, you

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Speaker 1: don't deserve a dog. If you're gonna get a dog

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Speaker 1: and leave them at home. And if you are getting

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Speaker 1: a dog for someone and you're prepared for that responsibility,

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Speaker 1: please go to shelters. Don't go to these breeders and

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Speaker 1: spend money. Dogs are euthanized every year. But I hate

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Speaker 1: when I see these puppies and and it's like Merry Christmas,

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Speaker 1: and it's like they end up at shelters and people

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Speaker 1: don't know how to take care of them. So if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna bring a dog in your life. It's not

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Speaker 1: a Christmas gift.

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Speaker 6: If we had common cause. By the way, on this

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Speaker 6: my sister came and visited a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 6: and bought my children a fish and a fish take

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Speaker 6: and they have been doing the feeding. But this thing

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Speaker 6: requires serious upkeep. I gotta check the water every week.

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Speaker 6: I gotta take the third of the water out put all.

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Speaker 4: I just want to tell you guys, as we get

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Speaker 4: up on the Christmas holiday, that not only are dogs

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Speaker 4: gifts for some people, but you human beings are gifts

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Speaker 4: to me as well.

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Speaker 5: So thank you guys for being the gifts you are.

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Speaker 4: And even though Tip is manage all for sending the

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Speaker 4: puppies back to the shelter, I'm not gonna send Andrew

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Speaker 4: and Tip back to any shelter.

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Speaker 6: To kick them.

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Speaker 4: Whether they come with a bow or not, I'm going

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Speaker 4: to keep them. Whether we screaming on here or not,

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Speaker 4: we're keeping each other. We stuck together. Okay, there it

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Speaker 4: is well.

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Speaker 1: As always, we do want to remind everyone please leave

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Speaker 1: mini pods that drop on Monday. Not as many of

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Speaker 1: don't clip them for social media and people. We need

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Speaker 1: to do that, but they're like quick, twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: minute conversations on on on things on the mini pod

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Speaker 1: we're not where we need to be, you guys, Blue

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Speaker 1: Sky people can there? I don't know because I haven't.

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Speaker 1: I've been asking people. Have y'all listened to the lay

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Speaker 1: and people will say anything I post on there. People

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Speaker 1: start talking about Native Wan, and I will start tagging.

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Speaker 5: Maybe on there a head Native LAMPI we are dot

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Speaker 5: bsky dot.

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Speaker 1: Social Okay, we are on Native Land. I will start

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Speaker 1: following Native Land.

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Speaker 6: Yo. I need to join this thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Blue Sky is where we are and we're all

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Speaker 1: to fix that. Yeah, yeah, well we will be we

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Speaker 1: will upkeep but Angelson here, I'm on there and I

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Speaker 1: post a lot on there so you guys can follow

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Speaker 1: us there anyway. Welcome home, y'all. There are six hundred

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Speaker 1: and ninety one days until mid term elections.

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Speaker 9: connected to the statements that you leave on our socials.

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