WEBVTT - Trade market updates on starting pitching, Dylan Cease’s no-hit bid, Jared Jones pulled from perfection

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Rosenthal here with Alana Rizzo, and we want to

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<v Speaker 1>start the show today by of course congratulating Justin Verlander

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<v Speaker 1>on not just being a legend pick in the All

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<v Speaker 1>Star Game, but on his magnificent career. He announced at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the season he will retire yesterday, Alana,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course this is a first ballot Hall of

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<v Speaker 1>Famer if you have ever seen one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Ken, great to be with you. As always, Cooper's

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<v Speaker 2>Town waits for the great Justin Verlander. And it's funny too, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as one of your colleagues wrote, Tyler Kepner wrote that

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<v Speaker 2>it's the last of the three hundred win guys. Justin

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<v Speaker 2>Verlander is. And it's ironic that we're talking about that

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<v Speaker 2>during a week with a lot of pitching situations. What

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<v Speaker 2>more can you tell us?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, Alana. And it's a week in which we had

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<v Speaker 1>three games in which there were significant no hit bids.

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<v Speaker 1>We had managers treating these situations in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>offended some fans, and we had the ongoing debate that

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<v Speaker 1>we have had in this now for I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>a decade or more. About pitcher usage and just how

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<v Speaker 1>far you should go with starting pitchers. Now, that is

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<v Speaker 1>a systemic problem in the sport, it's an industry problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But each of these situations this week, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I want to discuss, was different. And you can't

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<v Speaker 1>compare Dylan SE's to Uri Perez to Jared Jones, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, these are all unique in their own way. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's start with Cese, who, of course took a no

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<v Speaker 1>hitter into the ninth inning against the Giants yesterday and

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<v Speaker 1>came so close. But he was allowed to go that

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<v Speaker 1>deep into the game because he's Dylan Sees. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who since twenty twenty one has led the major

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<v Speaker 1>leagues in starts, is fifth in innings pitched. He is

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<v Speaker 1>a starting pitcher who does go deep into games. He

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<v Speaker 1>is a veteran starting pitcher. So you see with Keig

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<v Speaker 1>and Matheson tweets right there, John Schneider saying he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to give Cease the chance. I'm a fan of baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>If I can let a player have that opportunity, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to do it every single time. So you might ask, well,

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<v Speaker 1>is Marlin's manager Clayton McCullough a fan of baseball. Isn'm

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<v Speaker 1>Pirates manager Don Kelly a fan of baseball? And yes

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<v Speaker 1>they are fans of baseball. But here's the deal with

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Jones. This is a guy who was making his

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<v Speaker 1>eighth start since returning on May twenty eighth from a

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<v Speaker 1>UCL repair a major elbow surgery. It was his eighth start.

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<v Speaker 1>He had not gone more than five innings. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>know it was seventy seven pitches, but you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to take that chance with a pitcher like Jared Jones

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<v Speaker 1>who is coming off surgery. You're just not. That is

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<v Speaker 1>the way the game is today. Now we can complain

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<v Speaker 1>about the way pitchers are trained, about the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>teams do not encourage pitchers in the minor leagues to

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<v Speaker 1>go deep into games. There may be overprotective of these

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<v Speaker 1>pictures pitchers, but at the same time, that is the reality.

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<v Speaker 1>With Yuri Perez, this was same thing Ury Perez. Seven

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<v Speaker 1>perfect innings, ninety two pitches. Do we want to see

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect game, of course, we want to see a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect game, but Eury Perez Tommy John surgery in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, an injury this season, a thigh muscle injury,

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't come off the injured list until June

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth. It's a guy who's had some injury issues

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<v Speaker 1>in his career. You're not going to push it. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what people need to understand. I get it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see guys pitch deeper into games too.

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<v Speaker 1>But that problem, that problem is starting in the minor leagues.

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<v Speaker 1>It's starting with the reward system. It's starting with what

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<v Speaker 1>teams have done to change the way they use starting pitchers.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is a problem that goes well beyond any

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<v Speaker 1>individual decision. Those two individual decisions, the Marlins decision and

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<v Speaker 1>the Pirates decision. To me, Alana and you might disagree,

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<v Speaker 1>they were understandable.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't disagree with you. Brings me back when I

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<v Speaker 2>was covering the Los Angeles Dodgers ken and I know

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<v Speaker 2>everybody says I keep bringing that up, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>a situation Ross Strippling, very new, very young in his

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<v Speaker 2>green career, was throwing a no hitter at the Giants Stadium,

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<v Speaker 2>and at the time I think it was at and

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<v Speaker 2>T Park, and he was very very new in his

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<v Speaker 2>career and Dave Roberts had to pull him throwing a

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<v Speaker 2>no hitter. It may have even been a perfect game

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, throwing a no hitter certainly into the

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<v Speaker 2>sixth inning, but it was all about pitchcount. And I

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<v Speaker 2>remember when Dave took him out. Ross Stripling's dad called

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Roberts and thanked him for saving his son's arm

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<v Speaker 2>and thinking about his son's future, not just history in

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<v Speaker 2>that moment. But again, Dylan sees is a very different

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<v Speaker 2>pitcher at the time now than Ross Strippling was at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. How much does post season length play into this?

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<v Speaker 3>Ken?

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<v Speaker 2>What I mean by that is some guys are on

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of a pitch count or innings pitched in

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<v Speaker 2>the postseason, have way more innings pitched because their team

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<v Speaker 2>goes much deeper into the year.

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<v Speaker 1>All on. That is a great point and I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>you're bringing up now. Mike Petriello of him had a

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<v Speaker 1>really good tweet about this yesterday. He said, one thing

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think gets enough play when talking about starting

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<v Speaker 1>pitchers getting pulled is how much longer the postseason is

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<v Speaker 1>now and how to prepare for that? Ya Mamoto through

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven and a third innings in the playoffs last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Sandy KOFAX fifty seven total playoff innings in his career. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>why is this relevant for the Marlins and the Pirates,

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<v Speaker 1>Because as of this moment, they're trying to get there,

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<v Speaker 1>They're trying to get to the postseason. They're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>extend these pictures probably to places Jared Jones and Uri

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<v Speaker 1>Perez that they have not been before. So even if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at it from the regular season perspective, you

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<v Speaker 1>want Perez and Jones pitching deep into September, then you

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<v Speaker 1>want them available for October. So Mike raises a great point.

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<v Speaker 1>You make a great point yourself, Alano, with this. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>the postseason and the length of it is a factor,

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<v Speaker 1>But with the Pirates and Marlins, in these two particular decisions,

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<v Speaker 1>it was narrower that it was simply, Hey, these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are at a certain stage of the season, a certain

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<v Speaker 1>stage of getting stretched out. Oil press is stretched out.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to take any chances because of where

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<v Speaker 1>they are coming from physically.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Before we wrap it up and get to

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<v Speaker 2>Dudeen dork of the week, Justin Verlander three regular season

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<v Speaker 2>no hitters, one of only six pitchers in Major League

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball history to throw at least three no Hitters. Congratulations

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<v Speaker 2>justin Verlander Cooper's Town awaits all right, guys, this is

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he is in the home run derby. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>It would be the All Star geme And I remember

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid, I actually told my dad,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was fourteen, I said, if I can

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<v Speaker 1>get tickets to the All Star Game, if I can

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<v Speaker 1>pull this off, will you take me. The game was

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<v Speaker 1>in Montreal. I believe it was Montreal, and it well,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely Montreal, I just don't remember the year, and I swam.

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<v Speaker 1>I pulled it off. I got the tickets and he

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<v Speaker 1>one of the coolest events and this year in Philly

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it just really makes sense. Of course, two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the dude, so that's what you call.

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<v Speaker 3>Me, ken.

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<v Speaker 2>We're switching things up a little bit this week in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the order, so it is time now for

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<v Speaker 2>your Dude of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is it. My Dude of the week is the

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas City Royals Tyler Tolbert. Now I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fans have heard of this guy before

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<v Speaker 1>this week. I can't say I was all that familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with Tyler Tolbert before this week, but here is a

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<v Speaker 1>player who recorded hits in twelve consecutive plate appearances. And

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<v Speaker 1>as he said, it's a tough game, that's really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and I'm gonna be humble about it because

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<v Speaker 1>there is some luck involved. But good for him. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who is a thirteenth round pick in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and seventy ninth overall, never a top prospect.

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<v Speaker 1>He's twenty eight years old, and he's a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>really has attracted most of his notoriety for his base

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<v Speaker 1>running acumen. So Tyler Tolbert due to the week, great job,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was just a fantastic achievement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, awesome, Good for him. My dude of the week

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<v Speaker 2>is Eliezer Alfonso Junior. Now, this obviously was not because

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<v Speaker 2>of a historic moment, but what he was dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of a historic moment personally. So obviously everybody

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<v Speaker 2>knows about the earthquakes in Venezuela and what should have

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<v Speaker 2>been a wonderful opportunity and a wonderful moment for he

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<v Speaker 2>and his family. His major League baseball debut also came

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<v Speaker 2>with a heavy heart and a heavy mind, Ken, because unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>his stepmother and his sister were one of the two

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<v Speaker 2>people in Venezuela who have perished because of the earthquakes there.

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<v Speaker 2>So on the date in which he had to make

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<v Speaker 2>his major league debut and had the opportunity to, he

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<v Speaker 2>was dealing with the death of two people in his

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<v Speaker 2>family that are very close to him. Another reason I

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<v Speaker 2>picked him as my dude of the Week is he

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<v Speaker 2>certainly did not have to address the media and reporters

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<v Speaker 2>in the clubhouse after the game, and he chose to

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<v Speaker 2>do so on certainly what was a very emotional day

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<v Speaker 2>for him. So for that reason, congratulations on your debut.

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<v Speaker 2>But also am I due to the week for everything

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<v Speaker 2>that he is dealing with. Okay, we're moving on now

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<v Speaker 2>to our dork of the week. All right, Ken, who

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<v Speaker 2>is your dork of the week?

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Alana.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm going to preface this by saying, these dorks

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<v Speaker 1>of the week, both mine and yours, are possibly going

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<v Speaker 1>to be rescinded in the league. Major League Baseball does

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<v Speaker 1>the right thing. These are temporary Dorks of the Week

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<v Speaker 1>pending better decisions. Now, neither of these decisions is an

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<v Speaker 1>egregious offense, But let's talk about some All Star and

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<v Speaker 1>Home Run Derby omissions. I'm gonna go with MLB as

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<v Speaker 1>dork of the Week for the Zach Wheeler omission. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, and I get that they pick the

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<v Speaker 1>teams and it's the players obviously having a say, and

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<v Speaker 1>the player ballot, and then Major League Baseball rounding out

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<v Speaker 1>the roster. There was an easy salution here to start here,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was with Zach Wheeler making the team over

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<v Speaker 1>Logan Web. Now, I know Wheelers started the season late,

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<v Speaker 1>coming off thoracic outlet surgery, but that's kind of the point.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's coming off an injury that rex careers and

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<v Speaker 1>he's pitching at his usual brilliant level. And Logan Web,

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<v Speaker 1>he's been good. He had a great June. I love

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<v Speaker 1>Logan Web. But two San Francisco Giants on the All

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<v Speaker 1>Star team. I don't know that we needed that. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you might say, well, we didn't need We don't need

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<v Speaker 1>six Philadelphia Phillies either. But that said, Zach Wheeler needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the team. And I know he's pitching Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's already said, Hey man, I'll pitch Tuesday. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's go MLB fix this one and have us rescind

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<v Speaker 1>this particular dark of the week now A lota, it

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<v Speaker 1>is your turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I kind of feel like you and I are

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<v Speaker 2>on the same page, and mine is for Hunter Goodman.

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<v Speaker 2>How is Hunter Goodman not invited to participate in the

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<v Speaker 2>Home Run Derby? For all I know, there's not been

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people chomping at the bit to get

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<v Speaker 2>into this thing. And if you're going to applaud the

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado Rockies, there's not been a lot of opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>do so, and Hunter Goodman is one of their bright spots.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he is their representative for the All Star Game.

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<v Speaker 2>But the man has twenty seven home runs so far,

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<v Speaker 2>and I understand that people are going to say he

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<v Speaker 2>plays a corse field, but if you look at his splits,

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<v Speaker 2>he has more on the road than he does at home.

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<v Speaker 2>So Hunter Goodman should be able to or at least

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<v Speaker 2>be invited to certainly participate in the Home Run Derby. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned, that could be rescinded, but I definitely

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<v Speaker 2>think he is deserving a very deserving invitation to that

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<v Speaker 2>home run derby.

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<v Speaker 1>And let me make this clear, Alta, we will be

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<v Speaker 1>happy to rescind the Dorka the week's honors for MLB

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<v Speaker 1>if they do the right thing. Amen.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, We're going to get to a Thursday Inside

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<v Speaker 2>Dish right after this. It is our Thursday edition of

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<v Speaker 2>Inside Dish, unpacking the latest with the starting pitching market

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<v Speaker 2>at the trade deadline. Everyone can well, not necessarily, the

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners needs starting pitching. I know that you and Will

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<v Speaker 2>Salmon had a column today about the starting staff. Tell

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<v Speaker 2>us a little bit more about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, our notes column today had a number of items

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<v Speaker 1>about starting pitchers who may be available, may not be available.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll start with one that we didn't write about today,

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<v Speaker 1>But of course we'll be writing about and have written about,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll write a lot about at some point as

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<v Speaker 1>we get closer to the deadline, and that is Trek Schoogle.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you might recall, and I will call myself out

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<v Speaker 1>on this, when the Tigers were sixteen games under five hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>This was late May. They were twenty two and thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote, that's it. They're trading him. They're not coming

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<v Speaker 1>back from sixteen under, well they're now eight under. They're

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<v Speaker 1>eight under in a week division, in a week league,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have the possibility of a serious wildcard run,

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<v Speaker 1>if not a division run. They're four out in the

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<v Speaker 1>wildcard race right now, just four games, and with a

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<v Speaker 1>positive run differential. They're looking at a situation where, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, let's play this out, Let's see where we go.

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<v Speaker 1>So Trek Scooble, I still think he might be available,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe he's available only at an extreme price. Who

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<v Speaker 1>knows how this is going to play out, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Tigers are making this interesting. You see the division right there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's five and a half. It's not insignificant, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not insurmountable either. Sonny Gray Boston Red Sox could be

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<v Speaker 1>named to the All Star team with Rangers Suarez going

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<v Speaker 1>on the il Sonny Gray is another interesting one because

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<v Speaker 1>the Boston Red Sox, like the Tigers, are surging. And

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't expect this either, or I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>many of us did. But here they are. They've won

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<v Speaker 1>I believe nine of eleven. They too are in the

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<v Speaker 1>thick of the wildcard race. They too have a positive

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<v Speaker 1>run differential, and their roster is looking more viable of late,

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<v Speaker 1>they've done some things to make things a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they're waiting to hear on the injuries potential injuries

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<v Speaker 1>to Contraras and Sigler. But as long as those guys

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<v Speaker 1>are health they'll be in a good spot in the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Sox. Who knows if they're going to sell. So

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<v Speaker 1>those are two guys that we thought would be available,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe as recently as a week or two ago, And no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not so sure. Now you might say, okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about some pictures who could be available in Alana.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would you like to start with there?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a good question because there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people that everyone is like, Terrek Schooble, Tarak Schooble, Trek Scoubel.

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<v Speaker 2>But Sunny Gray is an interesting case ken because he

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<v Speaker 2>had to wave his no trade class to even come

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<v Speaker 2>over to the Red Sox, so he likely would have

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<v Speaker 2>to do that again, but he did say he was

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<v Speaker 2>amenable to it if that was best for the team.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you see him going someplace else? And if so,

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<v Speaker 2>could Atlanta be a possibility?

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta would be the obvious choice actually, And as will

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<v Speaker 1>and I wrote, Atlanta is close to sunny Gray's home

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<v Speaker 1>in Nashville. He has been at times in his career

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<v Speaker 1>kind of particular about where he wanted to go. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why he signed with Saint Louis a few years back.

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<v Speaker 1>And Atlanta has prospects. They also have money, especially after

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<v Speaker 1>saving fifteen million with the Jerks and Profar suspension, so

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<v Speaker 1>they should be in a flexible position again if the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Sox decide to sell. One thing about the contract

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<v Speaker 1>that Gray has that we should note he's owed about

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<v Speaker 1>forty million going into this year. He's owed about forty million,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Cardinals are contributing twenty million of that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>forty one million that he was owed at the start

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<v Speaker 1>of the season with his salary and buyout, and now

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<v Speaker 1>actually after the Cardinals contribution, it was down to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one million, which if the deadline means it'll be about

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<v Speaker 1>six million plus, not a crazy figure for a team

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<v Speaker 1>looking to add a starting pitcher.

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<v Speaker 2>What about Louis Castillo?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a really interesting one, Alana, and we wrote

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<v Speaker 1>about him as well. So the Mariners right now they've

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<v Speaker 1>got a six man rotation. All six guys are pitching well,

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<v Speaker 1>including Castillo, who had a rocky start to his season,

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<v Speaker 1>but since mid May three point twenty five e looking

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<v Speaker 1>like Louis Castillo. He is the highest paid Mariner, he

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<v Speaker 1>is a leader on that team. And yet you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a six man rotation. You've got one of the top

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<v Speaker 1>pitching prospects, if not the top pitching prospects at double

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<v Speaker 1>A right now, left hander cater and Anderson, third pick

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<v Speaker 1>in last year's draft. He's ready to come. So, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're the Mariners and you need help right handed bat,

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<v Speaker 1>a leverage reliever, obviously they have the ability to trade

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<v Speaker 1>a starter, and Castilla would seem to be the obvious one.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not going to want to trade a Logan Gilbert

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<v Speaker 1>or George Kirby, pitchers with control. They would probably prefer

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<v Speaker 1>to trade Castillo, who has another year of control as well,

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<v Speaker 1>but is more expensive and seemingly would be in this

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<v Speaker 1>case the odd man out. Now, that's said. Mariner's president

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<v Speaker 1>baseball Operation is Jerry Depoto and his general manager Justin Hollander.

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<v Speaker 1>They are not necessarily predictable. They are not necessarily guys

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<v Speaker 1>who will follow the path we as media, I think

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<v Speaker 1>they will follow. So again, this is something to watch

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<v Speaker 1>simply because the Mariners have a surplus in an area

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<v Speaker 1>where most teams are short.

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<v Speaker 2>Can These two guys that I'm gonna say next are

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<v Speaker 2>probably the most intriguing to me just because of where

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<v Speaker 2>their team sits right now. Nathan Evaldi and Jacob de Grom. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at the standings, the Texas Rangers are

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<v Speaker 2>right there, They're only a half game out of first

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<v Speaker 2>place in the AL West, and they're in the postseason

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<v Speaker 2>right now. In terms of the wild Card if the

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<v Speaker 2>season ended today, do they move Evaldi, do they move

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<v Speaker 2>de Grom or do they stay pat.

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<v Speaker 1>Depends how they play, if they play well or even

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<v Speaker 1>mediocre enough to remain in the race, because that's all

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<v Speaker 1>you need to do in the American League and the

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<v Speaker 1>American League West, as you can see right there, if

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<v Speaker 1>they do that, it would be a surprise if they

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<v Speaker 1>even entertained moving either of those guys, along with coreys

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<v Speaker 1>Or who we wrote about as well. Now, both those guys,

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<v Speaker 1>de Grom and Avaldi have full no trade clauses, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the Grahm's case in particular, he likes Texas. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that he wants to leave Texas, so you

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<v Speaker 1>would have to convince him that the franchise is going

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<v Speaker 1>in another direction, and probably Evaldi the same before they

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<v Speaker 1>would even think about approving a trade. So I would

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<v Speaker 1>categorize those guys as unlikely. But the Rangers are a

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<v Speaker 1>team to watch in the coming weeks because, as you mentioned, Alana,

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<v Speaker 1>they are in great position from a playoff competition standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet I haven't played well. Seeger Is out again,

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<v Speaker 1>Wyatt Langford out again, expected back after the break. They

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<v Speaker 1>also are expecting three starting pitchers to join them after

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<v Speaker 1>the break or sometime in the next three weeks, Jack Lyder,

0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Cody Bradford, and yes, Jordan Montgomery. So in theory, with

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<v Speaker 1>an easier schedule ahead, the Rangers should be able to push.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see if they actually do. They've been a disappointing

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<v Speaker 1>team really for two and a half seasons. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some of the Kansas City Royals ken and that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of bums me out. They're last in the AL Central.

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<v Speaker 2>They're ten games out of the division, eight and a

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<v Speaker 2>half out of a wild card race. I doubt very

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<v Speaker 2>seriously that they get into the postseason, even in a

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<v Speaker 2>very weak American league. You hate it with you, Bobby

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<v Speaker 2>wit Junior and the talent that they have there, But

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<v Speaker 2>they do have some good starting pitching that I'm certain

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<v Speaker 2>other teams are going to be interested in, Seth Lugo

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<v Speaker 2>and Michael Waka. Now you think, you guys think that

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<v Speaker 2>they would need a massive package to move them. What

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<v Speaker 2>would that entail?

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<v Speaker 1>Top prospects and multiple top prospects? And the reason for

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<v Speaker 1>that is the Royals, with Bobby Wit Junior and MIKEL.

0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Garcia signed long term, with Vinie Basquentino still there, with

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<v Speaker 1>Jack cagleon comming and Carter Jensen coming on as well,

0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.800
<v Speaker 1>they believe they can be good next year. They should

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<v Speaker 1>have been good this year and they're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>tear down with Witt and Garcia signed long term. The

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<v Speaker 1>other problem they have is they're starting pitching is in

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<v Speaker 1>a problematic place for twenty twenty seven. Cole Reagan's will

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<v Speaker 1>not be available after undergoing the UCL repair until probably

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<v Speaker 1>July at the earliest. Chris Bubach is a free agent,

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<v Speaker 1>so you look at that and then you have the

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<v Speaker 1>challenge of not really having much a triple A ready

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<v Speaker 1>to step in. The question becomes, Okay, who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>pitch for them next year? And that is why they

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<v Speaker 1>would demand a massive haul to even entertain considering or

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<v Speaker 1>entertain or consider trading one of those guys. Now, Lugo

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<v Speaker 1>is not having a great year. Waka, of course is

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<v Speaker 1>an All Star. But I really don't see the Royals

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<v Speaker 1>getting pushed enough to trade either of those pitchers.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken, You've been doing this a long time at the

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<v Speaker 2>highest level, and I don't remember a trade deadline, albeit

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<v Speaker 2>it is a little bit later this year on August third,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is so convoluted because the American League is

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<v Speaker 2>so weak and only four teams I believe only four

0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.240
<v Speaker 2>teams have a winning record in the American League. How

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<v Speaker 2>does that look in terms of buying and selling and

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<v Speaker 2>the wild card standings, and how confusing this deadline can be.

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<v Speaker 1>Alana, you've kind of hit the nail on the head

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<v Speaker 1>right now with the deadline three plus weeks away. You

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<v Speaker 1>have all of this. I don't know even how to

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<v Speaker 1>describe it. It's this massive group of teams that are

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<v Speaker 1>in the mix. Some of them don't deserve to be

0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:29.919
<v Speaker 1>in the mix, and some of them are just merely

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<v Speaker 1>in the mix because they're playing in a week division

0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.960
<v Speaker 1>or a week league. But that is the reality. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just had a GM ask me this morning, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>who are the real sellers right now? Outside of San Francisco, Colorado?

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe maybe the Angels there aren't many. Now, some

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<v Speaker 1>of those teams will fall out that we're not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about here and they'll become sellers. Maybe it's the Oriols,

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the Red Sox, Cincinnati Reds certainly are trending that way,

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<v Speaker 1>but as of now, teams are not ready to make

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<v Speaker 1>that judgment. And you've got this weekend and they won't

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<v Speaker 1>even entertain thinking about this until the sport returns from

0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:09.439
<v Speaker 1>the All Star breaks, so it is convoluted. It is

0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of a messy situation right now, and that makes

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:16.680
<v Speaker 1>it all the more fascinating too, because this kind of situation,

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.440
<v Speaker 1>if it continues, could lead teams to be more creative,

0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.919
<v Speaker 1>make major leaguer for major leaguer type trades because they

0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.080
<v Speaker 1>will need to fill each other's needs. All right, Alana,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank you for joining me as always,

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<v Speaker 1>you're hosting foul Territory today. I wish you well in

0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:36.320
<v Speaker 1>that endeavor and moving back with Billy and Ken right

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<v Speaker 1>after this. It's summertime.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Time now for Grill and Ken the part

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<v Speaker 1>of the show where I answer your questions, Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>right to them. First question comes from Elvis Santoya, who

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<v Speaker 1>asked Ken of the teams that are clearly out of

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<v Speaker 1>the playoff picture, which is poised to capitalize the most

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<v Speaker 1>at the trade deadline. Interesting question because I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>any of the likely sellers right now are going to

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<v Speaker 1>really capitalize in a big way. I would say the Giants,

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<v Speaker 1>because they've got Louis Arise and they've got Robbie Ray,

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<v Speaker 1>two guys on expiring contracts, they will probably do better

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<v Speaker 1>than the Rockies will for whoever they might want to trade.

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<v Speaker 1>That said, if the Angels actually sell, and we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen them do this in quite some time, then read

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<v Speaker 1>Debt Meers and Jose Soriana are in play, and then yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they would get more for those guys than the Giants

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<v Speaker 1>would for Arise and Ray, who are both rentals. Soriano

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<v Speaker 1>and Debtmers both have control beyond this season, So the Angels,

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<v Speaker 1>if they want to do it, they can be an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting seller, all right. Next question comes from the Foul

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<v Speaker 1>Territory Show. Good question. Will Don Mattingly be managing the

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<v Speaker 1>Phillies next year? The answer to that question for quite

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<v Speaker 1>some time now has been no. He has said all

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<v Speaker 1>along that this is a short term arrangement. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>expect to do it beyond this year. But in an

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<v Speaker 1>interview last night on ESPN with Buster Only, maddally opened

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<v Speaker 1>the door and said, yeah, I always thought of this

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<v Speaker 1>as a two year commitment to the organization, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would entertain managing next year. That's a pivot for him. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a reversal from him. It's even beyond the pivot.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's going to be interesting to see how this

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<v Speaker 1>plays out. Obviously, the Phillies are doing quite well, but

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<v Speaker 1>they made a run at alex Cora after Cora was fired,

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<v Speaker 1>and the expectation is they will make it a run

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<v Speaker 1>at alex Cora again, no matter what Mattingly does or

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<v Speaker 1>what he wants to do. So I would expect that

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<v Speaker 1>the next Phillies manager is still going to be Alex Corra.

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<v Speaker 1>But to hear maddingly say that, and certainly if the

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<v Speaker 1>Phillies go far this season, it makes it a more

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<v Speaker 1>complicated picture. Let's put it that way, all right. One

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<v Speaker 1>more question before we run this one for Wicked Better

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four, one of our best questioners who says there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of talk about potential trades between contenders this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you say those are harder trades to make than

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<v Speaker 1>a trade between a buyer and a seller In some ways, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>But in recent years the buy cell type trades in

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<v Speaker 1>which multiple prospects go for a rental piece or a

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<v Speaker 1>piece under control, they've become more difficult too, because teams

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<v Speaker 1>are so unwilling to trade prospects. So if you're in

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<v Speaker 1>a situation where you don't want to trade prospects, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>trading surplus off your major league roster to address a

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<v Speaker 1>deficiency is actually an easier way to go. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk after August third and see how this all

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<v Speaker 1>plays out. All right, I want to thank everyone for

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<v Speaker 1>watching for listening. As always, we've got foul Territory coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>Alana is hosting Aeric Kratz and Kevin Pollar with her

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<v Speaker 1>and former Major league execu Jim Duquette will join them.

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<v Speaker 1>We are back Monday live from the All Star Site, Philadelphia.

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