1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,160
Speaker 1: You're about to hear a clip from one of our

2
00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,360
Speaker 1: Patreon exclusive episodes. To hear the entire episode, sign up

3
00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,640
Speaker 1: now at patreon dot com slash Jenkins and Jones. Since

4
00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,560
Speaker 1: John's not here, we do have to discuss the breaking

5
00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:24,079
Speaker 1: John doppelganger news. Anthony noted John Nichols impersonator Anthony MACKI

6
00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:31,080
Speaker 1: was spotted by Papa Razzi. Uh making out with the

7
00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:36,400
Speaker 1: chick does not seem like even adequate to describe it.

8
00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,760
Speaker 2: I just like the look on this man's face. He's

9
00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,560
Speaker 2: got to be in on the joke by now. Refuse

10
00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:46,360
Speaker 2: to believe.

11
00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:46,960
Speaker 3: It's not.

12
00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,600
Speaker 4: The most like yeah, people say you say these days,

13
00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's looking like a snack. He's really looking

14
00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,280
Speaker 4: at her like she's a She's like food that he's

15
00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,480
Speaker 4: was excited to see, all right, Like, oh, I didn't

16
00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,040
Speaker 4: know we were I didn't bring out the mazzarella sticks.

17
00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,240
Speaker 3: Damn. That's the face when you forgot you had leftovers,

18
00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,680
Speaker 3: when you go you forgot you had leftovers from the

19
00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:11,840
Speaker 3: steakhouse last night.

20
00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:19,720
Speaker 2: It's the head till. That's John bro.

21
00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,960
Speaker 5: I love like we had so many people tweet at

22
00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,800
Speaker 5: us about about that picture, and I love it because

23
00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,399
Speaker 5: It's one of those running jokes that like John is

24
00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,520
Speaker 5: smart enough to laugh along with it, but I know.

25
00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,760
Speaker 2: It really, I know he hates it.

26
00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know he really hates it, Bro, especially.

27
00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,720
Speaker 5: With the particular type of lady that that man was

28
00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:53,320
Speaker 5: making out with.

29
00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:54,080
Speaker 4: He was.

30
00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,800
Speaker 6: He was not enjoying if I was trying to do

31
00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,480
Speaker 6: some damage control that discord.

32
00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,480
Speaker 4: He was like, can someone confirm or deny what type

33
00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,880
Speaker 4: of what what is if that woman is white or not?

34
00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,600
Speaker 2: Just white skin? And everyone's like, Bro was making out

35
00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:13,320
Speaker 2: with the white lady.

36
00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:18,840
Speaker 5: It's okay, yeah, h c k P said it's the

37
00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,360
Speaker 5: twiddling of the fingers before grabbing surprise donuts brought.

38
00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:26,799
Speaker 2: Listen. Bro.

39
00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,920
Speaker 3: When Levantard did that, this guy looks like game years ago,

40
00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,320
Speaker 3: he said, Andy Reid looks like he does this, don't

41
00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,040
Speaker 3: mind if I do before reaching for a donut.

42
00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,120
Speaker 2: I think that every Andy Reid bro with me forever.

43
00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:43,520
Speaker 2: It is.

44
00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,440
Speaker 5: Uh, It's yeah, it's one of those like it just

45
00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,400
Speaker 5: almost ruins a person's face.

46
00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,600
Speaker 2: You know, I just can't.

47
00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:59,640
Speaker 5: Saying don't mind if I do. John Duppelganger tonguing down

48
00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,760
Speaker 5: Sid Sweeney Dappelganger from.

49
00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:06,960
Speaker 2: All right, Uh.

50
00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,560
Speaker 5: Okay, I guess we should talk about the books as

51
00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,880
Speaker 5: I think we've set up before. Sa Cosby, black crime

52
00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:21,239
Speaker 5: writer from Virginia. I love all of his books. I

53
00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,320
Speaker 5: think this is his fourth or fifth novel. They're all

54
00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,760
Speaker 5: very much like this, but I think just to talk

55
00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,600
Speaker 5: about like the American crime genre for thirty seconds before.

56
00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,200
Speaker 2: We dive into it.

57
00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,000
Speaker 5: This is always with like the the noir style, always

58
00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:42,760
Speaker 5: a genre dominated by cops, like the detective, the gum shoe,

59
00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:48,320
Speaker 5: you know, the beat cop, and even more liberal like

60
00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,120
Speaker 5: anti police violence writers like Michael Connolly, with Harry Bosh

61
00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,600
Speaker 5: or whatever. It was still focused on sort of like

62
00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,520
Speaker 5: a renegade cop. And what I loved from the first

63
00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,480
Speaker 5: essay Cosby book I wrote is the cops are always

64
00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,560
Speaker 5: dick heads, and the crime that is being committed or

65
00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,160
Speaker 5: solved is always regular people that it's a lot easier

66
00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,440
Speaker 5: to root for. And so I think that's very much

67
00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,400
Speaker 5: the context in which I first started reading his books,

68
00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,800
Speaker 5: and obviously this book carries that forward with the main

69
00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,240
Speaker 5: character of Roman, who is very much not a police officer,

70
00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,599
Speaker 5: as evidenced by how quickly we get into very horny

71
00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,000
Speaker 5: territory with him and a dominatrix on like Payton six

72
00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,120
Speaker 5: of this book, What did y'all think of?

73
00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:33,960
Speaker 2: What did y'all think of?

74
00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,960
Speaker 5: I know that I know that was what the discord immediately,

75
00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,159
Speaker 5: like hopped onto was just like wow, we got to

76
00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,400
Speaker 5: the hashtag smut very quickly. King of Ashes, What did

77
00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,320
Speaker 5: you think of the way the book opened up and

78
00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,680
Speaker 5: starting off on that note so quickly?

79
00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the smut did come out the gate

80
00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,599
Speaker 3: very early, but I think it was very purposeful.

81
00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,560
Speaker 2: I think it showed that, you know, Roman, the.

82
00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:01,320
Speaker 3: Main character here is a is an empty dude who's

83
00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,680
Speaker 3: you know, successful and has you know, but it's still

84
00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,120
Speaker 3: reckoning with things from his past, right, Like there's a

85
00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,880
Speaker 3: point made that the dominatrix is like fifteen years older

86
00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,640
Speaker 3: than him, which is what he preferred, and it's like

87
00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,679
Speaker 3: he's got some mommy issues going on that we get,

88
00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:18,840
Speaker 3: and then we find out that, you know, he's still

89
00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,279
Speaker 3: dealing with the grief from his mom just disappearing, you know,

90
00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,680
Speaker 3: and they've never heard from her again. So yeah, so

91
00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,280
Speaker 3: the smut was needed, right because he's this successful financial advisor.

92
00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,640
Speaker 3: He wakes up in a bed with like a stripper

93
00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,760
Speaker 3: whose name he doesn't even know, and then he goes

94
00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,440
Speaker 3: to this dominatrix and well he gets the call that

95
00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,400
Speaker 3: you know, his dad's been in an accident. He has

96
00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,360
Speaker 3: to go back to Virginia, right, So, yeah, so I

97
00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,440
Speaker 3: think it paints a good picture that this is a

98
00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,800
Speaker 3: man who's you know, made you know, became successful, has

99
00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,159
Speaker 3: made it from a past life, but now he's getting

100
00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,719
Speaker 3: thrown back into it and he's gonna have to you know,

101
00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,560
Speaker 3: reckon with these demons that that even success isn't you know,

102
00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,560
Speaker 3: shielding him from Yeah.

103
00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,719
Speaker 2: I liked how it complex. It immediately made him.

104
00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,640
Speaker 6: It was like even you're you're not used to to

105
00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,560
Speaker 6: see I'm not used to seeing people like characters like

106
00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,800
Speaker 6: this describe, like put in situations like that, never mind,

107
00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,840
Speaker 6: so immediately and so I like that how right off

108
00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,960
Speaker 6: the bat, they're like, this is not your average book

109
00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,800
Speaker 6: or whatever, now your average crime book.

110
00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,720
Speaker 2: You know, just right away it like.

111
00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,680
Speaker 6: Places you in a in a universe that is a

112
00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:21,280
Speaker 6: little more

113
00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,200
Speaker 2: Human