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Speaker 1: I just found out who my biological father is after

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Speaker 1: thirty years. I want to meet him, but my mom

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Speaker 1: keeps getting in the way. Out the way, Get out

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Speaker 1: of the way. So I'm thirty four. Until last year,

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Speaker 1: I thought my father was one person. I've been no

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Speaker 1: contact with him for six years for various reasons that

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Speaker 1: are mostly irrelevant. I'll skip over that. But a few

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, in passing, I mentioned that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: do twenty three and meters to my mother. At that point,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to see the breakdown of where my

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Speaker 1: ancestors lived. No ever slated anyone famous that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: She got immediately defensive and said, why would you want

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Speaker 1: to do that? You know where you came from. Also,

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Speaker 1: this comes from Dbates of nineteen ninety on the r

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Speaker 1: slash okay story time subreddit. So after that moment, I

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Speaker 1: was suspicious. I'd heard the story of how my mom

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Speaker 1: was dating my non biological dad, then broke up with

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Speaker 1: him and went back to her first husband. My biological

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Speaker 1: dad then showed up on my non biological dad's doorstep

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Speaker 1: telling him she was pregnant with his child. Apparently no

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Speaker 1: one ever quested that, and he just accept it so

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Speaker 1: over the years, I've had many issues with my mom.

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Speaker 1: I've heard early memories of her stopping by another man's

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Speaker 1: house to cheat my non biological dad when they were married. Well,

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Speaker 1: I played with his daughter. Sometimes she wasn't there and

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Speaker 1: it'd be told to watch a movie in her room. No,

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Speaker 1: not the movie in her room.

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Speaker 2: Dad is traumatizing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you wouldn't know at the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder how Opie's relationship in that daughter's relationship

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Speaker 2: is too, like they trauma.

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Speaker 1: Bonded also TLDR, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yes, do you think they trauma bonded over that?

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Speaker 1: I think they're too young to even know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: But at nine years old, she tried to have me

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Speaker 1: institutionalized while my non biological dad was at work because

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Speaker 1: she was tired of raising an autistic son. My non

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Speaker 1: biological dad and his mother are the only reason I

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Speaker 1: wasn't institutionalized. She had lied and said I assaulted my

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Speaker 1: grandmother and aunt. I was pumped full of rugs and

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Speaker 1: I believe that permanently altered by brain chemistry. It didn't work.

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Speaker 1: She divorced my non biological dad and quickly remarried to

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Speaker 1: a truck driver and was gone twenty six days of

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Speaker 1: every month until I was almost an adult, twenty six days.

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Speaker 1: Terrible mother, my mom my non biological dad remarried, and

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Speaker 1: my step mother hated me from the start, so I

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Speaker 1: couldn't live with them. I ended up living with my

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Speaker 1: non biological mother's basement and being homeschooled quote unquote. They

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Speaker 1: didn't actually do anything, so I have a fifth grade

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Speaker 1: education on paper. Oh geez goe.

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Speaker 2: So she's freaky and a bad mother.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, crazy combo, crazy combo. My non biological dad's

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Speaker 1: mom eventually cracked on the pressure of raising a teenager

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Speaker 1: and being so sick and checked herself into a mental facility,

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Speaker 1: then took off with my aunt. At that point, I

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Speaker 2: You deserve a royal flush soon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, I'm going to say an NBD from now

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Speaker 1: on for nine non biological dad. From that point on,

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Speaker 1: I bounce back and forth between nbds and my mother,

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Speaker 1: not getting along with either of their spouses. Eventually, at seventeen,

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Speaker 1: room in his house for one hundred and fifty a month.

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Speaker 1: Not a bad deal at twenty one, I left that

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Speaker 1: family behind, moved out of state, met my partner. We're

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Speaker 1: Over the last two years, I've watched my mom's side

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Speaker 1: whole life. They're just great people who know how to

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Speaker 1: in the last few years and it became all out war.

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Speaker 1: My mother has attorneys on retainer waiting for her moment

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Speaker 1: to attack. She did everything in her power to screw

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Speaker 1: her brother and sister in court, and when she couldn't

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Speaker 2: She keeps swinging too.

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Speaker 1: Since then, my mother's been trying to appear to be

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Speaker 1: Then she wanted to buy me a car, which I

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Speaker 1: She's upset that I want my partner there. She's telling

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Speaker 1: and so does my partner. She's treating me like I'm seven.

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Speaker 1: She's going to go down there and parade around like

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Speaker 1: she's been there for me through thick and thin. She's

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Speaker 1: lied to my biological dad about my financial success. She's

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Speaker 1: a very fake person who is all about appearances, and

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Speaker 1: That's yeah. And also John Is two hundred and one says,

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Speaker 1: don't take anything from the mom, like yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know she's going to use

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Speaker 2: What exactly is she trying to get out of this relationship? Now?

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Speaker 1: I'm confused. So it's like it seems like the cats

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Speaker 1: the mom is trying to help OP see the biological dad.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like there's something that's going to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like a credit cards or something are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, there's there's something. There's something spooky going on here.

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Speaker 1: So another thing is she's made a huge deal of

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Speaker 1: like the mom's lying about everything. My aunt and uncle

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Speaker 1: They were old fashioned, didn't believe in divorce without good reason.

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Speaker 1: grasping at straws. I told her that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: saying that she really wants to be there. I don't

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Speaker 1: here's the sun I lied about for thirty four years. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: you guys missed out on all those years with him.

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Speaker 2: I think she wants to be there so she can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to be able to control it. She

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Speaker 1: just wants the clout. She just wants the clout. I

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Speaker 1: that side of my family. My grandmother on that side

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Speaker 1: is still alive at ninety seven years old. I want him,

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Speaker 1: she should get to meet her grandson. I just don't

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Speaker 1: My mother tried to hide that will, and when my

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Speaker 1: worry about it. My family will be very upset, but

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Speaker 1: I don't see another way, and as long as I

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Speaker 1: pay the palm bill, I'll get it back eventually. So

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Speaker 1: how should I handle this? There's a part of me

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Speaker 1: But don't ruin our thing by just joining our live

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Speaker 1: there for this. We've been together for thirteen years. I

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Speaker 1: She's always been there for me. She's my better half,

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Speaker 1: and that's who I want them to meet and associate

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Speaker 2: So you can't meet the dad without having the mom,

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Speaker 2: and you don't want the mom there, how do you

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Speaker 1: So my maternal grandparents both passed away. My mother had

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Speaker 1: attorneys on retainer waiting for that moment. She basically got everything,

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Speaker 1: took it from her brother and sister. She's been trying

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Speaker 1: And she also said she'd give like half of whatever

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Speaker 1: it seems like she's trying to help as much as

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Speaker 1: she can in meeting the biological dad and the paternal

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Speaker 1: grandparents and also try like it seems like she's trying

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Speaker 1: to make up for all of the shitty she's done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, should we let her or is it just

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Speaker 1: like is it too late? Is it too Is it

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Speaker 1: too late? Also? Is it real like I'm worried that

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Speaker 1: as leverage. Dune's bro Broello twenty ten says, loan like

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Speaker 1: a short term one. Don't tell the mom anyone anything.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the dad can help, can the biodad help, can

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Speaker 1: opie pawn something else? I mean the pawn shop stuff.

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Speaker 1: I feel like those are pretty pretty messed up systems.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll be able to get it back.

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Speaker 1: Chris tim Foyle hat says she's a liar the mom

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Speaker 1: so can even trust anything? She says, I think I

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Speaker 1: would put distance between the mom. Definitely, don't put yourself

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Speaker 1: her for travel. Yeah, maybe reach out to the biological

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Speaker 1: dad and see if there's any help that he can

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Speaker 1: have in you going out there. I understand wanting to

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Speaker 1: pawn something off, but I wouldn't expect you to get

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Speaker 3: Time for okop Relam.

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Speaker 1: Did I f up by hook it up with a

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Speaker 3: That sounds like a potentially carryous situation honestly a crazy situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this's now been a while ago. I seventeen male.

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Speaker 1: Remember the exact day I was admitted to the psych ward.

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Speaker 1: Also, just you guys know, a psych ward isn't what

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Speaker 1: Okay yo? This this sounds like Perks of being a Wallflower,

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Speaker 3: Well a moment, wait, wait, wait, and give up. But nothing.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what? And he guesses, he gets out,

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Speaker 3: But seventeen year old kid, you're just like.

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Speaker 1: I do not know. I'm truly guessing I learned something today.

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Speaker 1: Don't kiss anyone in a mental hospital. They're there for

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Speaker 1: I have a theory, go ahead, assuming that Opie's telling

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Speaker 1: I think they shared a beautiful moment, sounded super cute,

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Speaker 1: and she thought he was going to message her right right,

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Speaker 1: And he could show this to the detective.

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Speaker 3: Man, this is such a he said. She said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, this is actually so this is a comment

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fools, that's a good yeah, that's a good perspective

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Speaker 3: They have a whole binder just full. That's a smart like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: We want to know what you think, so put it

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Speaker 1: in the comments. Who do you agree with? Who do

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Speaker 1: you not agree with? Who's the a whole? Who's not

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