WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Vance Joseph 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.400 Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. I'm 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.440 your host, Dave Pash, ESPN play by play announcer and 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:14.640 voice of the Arizona Cardinals. Our guest today is Vance Joseph, 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.320 in his third year as the defensive coordinator of the 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:21.080 Arizona Cardinals after two years as the head coach of 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.880 the Denver Broncos. Coming up, I'll ask Vance about his 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:29.280 secondary Did he see Marco Wilson being this good as 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:33.040 a rookie? What about Byron Murphy and him bursting onto 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.559 the scene here in twenty twenty one, we'll discuss the 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:39.159 growth of Isaiah Simmons and where Zaban Collins is at 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:43.599 and his development. 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Gambling problem Call one eight hundred next step. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.200 You can follow us on Twitter at pashpod for updates 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.080 on upcoming guests on the Day Pash Podcast, as well 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:34.679 as highlights from previous guests. Now here's today's guest, Cardinals 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:41.399 defensive coordinator Vance Joseph So Vance. Before we get too 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.520 deep into the details, I definitely want to do that 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.440 give me an overall sense of how you would assess 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.200 how your defense is playing this year. Well, thus four, 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.880 I think we've been solid. You know. Obviously the numbers 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.760 that were concern about its points allowed, I think right 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.440 now with the defense on the field, it's about fifteen five. 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.320 You know, That's that's pretty good. You know, in its 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.480 day and age with the NFL football, you know, everyone's 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.280 giving up points, everyone's going points. So our our entire 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.799 offseason and our entire camp and our entire goals is 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.079 to keep the points, you know, low, and that's that's 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.120 that's winning football, you know, and right now that's happening 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.760 it's not perfect, and every every week with growing we 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.239 got a bunch of young guys playing. So um, it's 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.480 always a work in progress when it comes to that, 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.399 but it's forced over our product. It's it's decent right now. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.760 I'm curious how how you would assess what the strength 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.919 of your defenses. To me, watching it kind of from 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.200 a bird's eye view in the booth, it seems like 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.320 your secondary is certainly a big part of that. The 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.760 thing about that is like I didn't see Marco Wilson 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.160 coming Byron Murphy even making the steps that he did. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.200 Did you see those things coming? And if so, when 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.480 did you see it coming? I saw Murphy coming um 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.280 this spring. He was different. His body was from his 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.200 mindset was different. So I saw that progress. Obviously, he 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.520 played a lot of football as a young guy, and 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.360 he had some hard downs, you know, but he learned 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.040 from it. And to have a young corner that plays 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.480 inside and outside, that's that's hard to find. And right 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.720 now he's mastering that, you know, and that that obviously 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.440 makes his value, you know, huge and makes our defense better. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.560 With Marco Wilson, I wasn't sure, you know. We watched 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.040 the tape obviously in college, and when you research his background, 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.400 you shouldn't be surprised. I mean he was he was 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.560 a big time player in high school. He was teammates 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.960 with Pats Hurtanum, the kid from Cleveland Swards. So I 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.760 mean he's he's been around good players his entire life, 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:39.880 and I mean he's he's he's been a good player. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.320 He was a freshman start at Florida, you know, for 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.520 three years, so that that takes talent. You know, walk 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.520 in that conference and the players a freshman versus all 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.360 those Alabama first round picks. So when he's playing against 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.400 these NFL guys, he's never overwhelmed because he's played against 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.160 him already, you know, and when you track his background, 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:58.760 you shouldn't be surprised. But drafting him in the fourth round, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.240 obviously having a day once stared at corner, that's that 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.520 that's impressive by Steve and his staff to find a 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.240 guy who can play that early, you know, with the 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.920 football IQ and the courage and the confidence to play 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.480 at a high level and overcome bad place. You know, 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.080 he's done all those things. So it's been fun to 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.440 watch him grow. What about your your young linebackers it's 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.640 been fun to see the growth of Isaiah Simmons. Is 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.720 that something that you know last year with no preseason games, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.800 how much of a killer was that for him? And 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.920 when do you feel like he finally got comfortable with 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.560 what he was seeing? That was awful for Isaiah. I 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.800 mean he had no offseason and no training camp, you know, 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.200 so the first time he even met with us in 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:42.279 personal was in training camp, you know. And the having 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.400 no games that was that was hard for him because 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:49.000 in college he wasn't a screw down linebacker. I mean 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.000 he was he was more of a hybrid safety outside 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.840 backer type, you know. So when he came to us, 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:56.720 he was he was playing more closer to the box 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.120 and playing more linebacker stuff and that takes time, you know, 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.599 and I think a about week eight or nine, you 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.200 can see the growth with Isaiah. You know, he got comfortable, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.400 started making plays and kept the package really small for him. 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.440 And now, man, I mean, he's getting better and better 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.200 each week. He is still a young player, you know. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.799 I mean he's he's he's in his second year, but again, 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.080 missing that time an off season and training camp. In 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.560 those games, he's still a young player. So hopefully he 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.159 can keep growing. Man with his physical tools and his 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.280 football like you, he can be something different that the 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.240 league has never seen, you know, and he's he wants 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.200 to be that. He's working hard every single day and 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.279 he can do a lot of things for your defenses. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.680 For its covering tight ends, uh, sitting at edges, outside backer, 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.120 you know, closing the middle as a middle safety, but blitzing, 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.800 you know, playing in space. I mean, so his his skills. Second, 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.960 it's it's unique and he can be a different type 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.200 of player you know that we've never seen in this league, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.320 you know. And as far as Zaven, you know, Xavan's 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.240 in the same boat. You know, he's he's trying to 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.880 figure out Mike Backer. You know, that's that's being a 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.720 quarterback up of the entire defense and that takes time, 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.120 you know, and he's he's working at it and he's 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.200 getting better and better each week. He's nicked up right now. 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.080 That that's hurt Zaving as far as missing practice time, 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:09.760 but as far as the person and the player, he's 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:11.960 going to be fine. What is it about a player 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:16.839 like Jordan Hicks when you're a defensive coordinator that there's 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.640 a comfort there for you. I assume when you've got 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.159 somebody that knows what he's doing and knows what other 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.800 guys are doing, you know, where does that factor in 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.960 terms of like what you're looking at in terms of 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.440 playing time and reps? Absolutely, I mean he is. He 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.800 is my game manager, you know. I mean you have 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:35.920 to have a player on the field that sees the 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.560 game like you, you know, who can make all the 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.320 audibles and make all the checks and help a lot 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.960 of guys get lined up. And that comes with experience, 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:43.800 you know. And Jordan's been with us now for three 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.600 seasons and I mean he's played he's played over probably 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.520 you know, two thousand reps in his defense, you know, 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.800 so he understands the defense. And weekly in the NFL now, 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.360 the game's become so complicated, these offenses, I mean every week, 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.440 they change, they evolve weekly, and you have to have 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.320 a guy who can who can unwind the formations, who 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.640 can unwind the checks because if you if if you 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.960 can adjust on game day, you know from the huddle, 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:10.800 it's gonna be hard to play great defense, you know, 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.080 But havn't having Hicksie who understands the concepts. He can 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.160 he can help us adjust you know, play play by play, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.120 and that's so important, you know, doing his NFL right now, 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:24.720 you're talking about how offenses adjust and how complex they are. 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:26.400 I thought it was really interesting. I don't know if 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.120 you heard what Kyle Shanahan said after the game. He 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.960 said he was shocked at what happened because he thought 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.240 they had such a great week of practice and obviously 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.080 you guys messed with their heads. I mean, they couldn't 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.200 do much offensively. They had two really big plays, and 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.280 both big plays they fumble the ball. Sure, so what 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.320 did you guys do to them to kind of get 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.400 them off schedule? I think every every week, you know, 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.640 we have a plan to take away what the offense 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:52.160 does best. You know, and obviously Shanahan and the Niners 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:54.640 are run first offense. You know, we thought, if we 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.880 can just kill a run game and forced him to 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.000 throw the ball, you know, more often than he wanted to, 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.160 it can it can. It can lead to takeaways and 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.280 sacks and those things. And I warned the staff, I said, listen, guys, 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:06.760 you know we're going to be in this heavy package 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.400 early and he's gonna throw the football and he may 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.240 make some plays, you know, but let's stay with it, 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.680 you know, Let's let's make them do what they're not 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.840 good at doing, and that's throwing them ball thirty forty 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.280 plus times, you know, And and it worked out for us, 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.960 and some of sometimes it didn't look pretty. They made 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:23.800 some plays in the past game, but we knew if 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.240 we stuck to it that we can make some plays 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:27.880 and and uh, you know, take the ball away and 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.520 sack the quarterback a bunch of times. And that's what happened. 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.760 But I think every every game we have a plan 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.080 to obviously take away with the offense does best, you know, 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.680 like Green Bay they ran the ball some. But the 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.560 plan that night wasn't to make Aaron Rodgers one dimensional 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.440 and pass every down. You know. So every every every 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.320 game is so different, you know. And obviously with Aaron 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.680 Rodgers type or Tom Brady type, it's a it's a 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.160 cat and mouse game to absorb some runs, you know, 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.760 and and kind of you know, win some first downs 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.760 with shell and some rickson and put him in second 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.800 and long. You know. But obviously, you know, Sunday it's different, 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.160 different plan. It was stopped to run first at any 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:11.120 cost and make them throw, and it worked out for us. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.000 But you know that, and that in my opinion, it's 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.600 what our defense that's unwell all year, you know, every 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.680 every game with our staff and myself, you know, having 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.839 having a plan to go into the game and to 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:24.720 take away what they do best. You know. Week one, 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.200 Tennessee it was run first, you know, and our our 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.720 plan was set that way. We go to Cleveland, it 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.200 was run first, Our plan was set that way. So 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.719 we've had three games where we faced run first offenses, 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.560 and so far it's worked out. And I was Tennessee 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.960 and I was Cleveland, and I was Sam Fran on Sunday. 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:44.680 So you talked about the cat and mouse game. I 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.040 think it's so interesting because so I do in college 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.800 game every week for at ESPN ABC. We got Notre 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.120 Dame Virginia this week, you got two veteran quarterbacks. But 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.920 I still feel like in college it's coach versus coach. 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.760 How much in the NFL is it coach versus quarterback, 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.000 meaning it's cat mouse between you and Aaron Rodgers, or 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.200 you and Tom Brady or you in this week, Sam Darnold. 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.400 Now maybe with younger quarterbacks it's more coach on coach, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.800 But how much is it like you're trying Aaron Rodgers 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:13.120 is trying to think about what you're going to do 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.640 based on your tendencies when he knows you and watching you, 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.320 and you're trying to figure out kind of exactly, you know, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.160 how their offense goes based on their quarterback. Absolutely, I 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.600 think that's huge on Sundays. It's it's always to QB 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.640 versus to coach, you know, because the next move and 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.959 to dictate, you know, playing defense in in this league, 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.720 you have to make them one dimensional either way, you know, 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.560 and the best defense over times have always dictated to 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.480 the offense. If you don't dictate to the offense, I mean, 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.720 you can't get them stopped, you know. So you know, 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.160 Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, those guys, I mean you have 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.839 you have to take something away, you know, to make 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.280 them one dimensional either way, running or passing of football. 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.199 If you don't, you know, if you're just trying to 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.560 play formations and playing plays, man, you can't survive. It's 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.720 it's too many concepts. It's too many plays to practice 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.680 and to uh, you know, to defend. You know. But 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.560 the the cat and mouse game from the coach to 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.400 the quarterback and obviously the players performing and uh, you know, 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.320 putting the plan in place, you know, pre pre snap looks, 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.320 post snap looks. That's so critical. You know. With Aaron Rodgers, 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.600 our our plan was to obviously give him a pre 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:20.679 snap look and when the ball snap changed the look 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:22.800 and it worked a couple of times. You know. Obviously 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.360 we had some run game issues. We're more tackling than anything. 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:29.360 But the plan was solid. We just didn't tackle well enough. 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.640 And obviously, uh, you know, we had some short fields 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.440 there and they made some plays. But it's always that 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.960 game on Sundays. And you know, uh, my first one 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.720 in the league with Mike Nolan, I mean he was 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.320 he was really a bright guy. He came out of 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.439 Baltimore with those guys, with Ray Lewis and those guys, 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.360 and he would always talk about playing a quarterback, you know, 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.040 not not worrying about the big time receiver or the 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.800 big time back. It was always the plan was for 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.679 the quarterback, and and and and the receivers were excess, 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.440 the backs were excess, but the plan that's where started. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.520 You know, how do you make the quarterback flinch? You know, 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.480 how do you bly on the quarterback with layers of 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.200 coverage that was always his first call of duty and 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.400 game plan meetings. And that's right, because that guy is 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.040 so important to you know, win in losing games. If 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.760 you don't take care of the quarterback man, you can't 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.600 win in this league from from a defensive perspective. So 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.680 with that said, on game day, how much obviously you 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:26.000 have a plan and you're talking with your other coaches, 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.319 But how much are you adjusting on the fly? How 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.680 much is it feel based on how you when you 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.959 look at a certain situation, you know, And I don't 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.760 know if it's the same for every decordinator or is 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.480 it difference. Some guys go strictly by feel, and I know, 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.480 like it's a different level Mike Leach. There's no playbuff 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.240 it's just all rights, not saying you're doing that. How 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.040 much how much of what you do is okay? You know? 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.600 And I had the plan going in it's not working. Well, 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.720 I'm gonna change it right now, or maybe I'll change 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.600 it for a little bit and see if this works. Well. Yeah, 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.480 I mean, that's that's that's fair. I mean, you have 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:00.720 a plan to go into the game, and obviously the 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.440 first fifteen plays for the offense, that's usually their best plays. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.319 You know, if the plans working, then you have a 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.520 good plan. You know, if it's not. If it's not working, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.680 you have to adjust quickly. I mean, you can't wait 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.640 to half time to make adjustments and you're down by 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.319 three scores. And that's one thing our staff, man, it's 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.439 done a great job with it's making adjustments, especially at halftime. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.320 I think a second half. As far as our numbers, 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.040 they get better in the second half, as far as 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.520 yard is in points, you know, And that's that's having 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.000 a great staff. That's having a lot of players who understand, 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:29.719 you know, our scheme, so we can adjust. Want to 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:33.080 fly without practicing certain things. But you have to be 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.600 able to adjust, you know, especially if it's not working. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.520 You know that that Minnesota game that force us to 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.800 adjust the first the first court and a half, man, 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.200 I mean they were ripping us in a run game, 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:46.000 in a plex and pass what's not being stopped And 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.600 we got the halftime and and turned it right. I 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.160 mean they rushed for like thirty five yards in the 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.000 second half and scored three points. You know, So this 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.760 league is a it's a league of adjusting. If you 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.199 don't adjust, you know, to that guy having a great plan. Man, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.920 you can't you can't obviously finish game. So it's uh, 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.160 you know, some of its feel on a run, but 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.120 once you figure out what's hurting you, you have to 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.079 have answers in your plan to get it stopped immediately. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.840 If you don't, you can't win. Chandler Jones just became 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.360 the all time sack leader in Cardinal's history. Where does 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.000 he rank? I mean, you've coached yea great players, You've 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.760 seen great players. You were in the NFL as a 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.480 player for a couple of years, so I mean you've 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.600 been around great players for twenty five years in this league. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.400 Where does he rank? I'm not saying you have the 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.760 list of number one and number five, but is he 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.320 up there the among the best that you've ever coached 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.040 or ever seen at this level? Absolutely As a pass rusher, 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.440 I mean, Chan's unique, you know, and uh, when you 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.280 when you watch Chan play, I mean, it's it's it's 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.920 a different style of pass rushing. It's a it's a 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.320 it's a tall, long guy with with with jinkie and 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.520 kind of funny movements. You know that works on guys. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.160 But it's a plan to it. I mean and he 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.880 studies pass rushing and um, you know, it's it's not hope, 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.480 it's a it's a plan and he works his moves. 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.760 He he takes the opponents you know, weekly and spends 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.160 hours and hours on watching tackles sets, you know, so 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.280 he has a plan of going a game with And 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.160 you can't be great at something in this league if 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.640 you're not working at it. You know, it's dev The 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.000 physical twos obviously help you, you know, but most of 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:14.920 the great players, many have they have a great plan 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.840 going into games and and he's no different. I mean, 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.160 you know, if you get him one on one with 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.240 most NFL tackles, he's gonna win his share. And that's 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.840 what he's good at, you know. And as far as 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.600 Russia's coach von Miller Off, coach camera Wake all those guys, 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.040 and I've been around d Ware, I mean he is, 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:33.800 he is up there with those guys because he can 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.240 win one on ones consistently, and if you don't have 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.200 a plan for Tamla Jones, he can he can wreck 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.960 the game. And that's what most great players do. They 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:42.840 wreck the game if you don't have comfort those guys 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.280 and he can do those things. We've seen now two 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:51.520 clear examples of how well the operation is running for 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.560 you guys, Cleveland and then last week where you're down coaches. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.800 I mean, it's never happened before. Now with COVID, there's 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.560 coaches who aren't there. You obviously were the interim coach 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.600 for the Cleveland game, and then you know Jeff Rogers 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.320 isn't available for this game. I know that impacts everybody. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.240 So I guess my question is the dynamic must be 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.240 really good on the staff. What's it like between you 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.280 and Cliff? How involved is he and what you guys 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.120 are doing and how much are you talking? On game day? Right? 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.080 We talk constantly, you know, I've during a week, you know, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:22.920 him and I talk about, you know, how to win 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.600 a game together, you know, And every week it's different, 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:29.440 you know. We all have weeks where the pressure falls 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.240 on one side of the ball, you know, or even 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.480 on Jeff, you know. So we have meetings on Thursday 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.120 Fridays and just just talk about how to win this game, 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.920 you know, and you know, if I have to, you know, 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:43.760 you know, play fast or to give him more possessions, 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.480 you know, And that's that's obviously a big deal, you know, 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.640 if our offense is going thirty points a game, you know, 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.480 so if I can't get him off the field quickly, 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.440 that kills our offense, you know. So we have a 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.400 plan sometime to Hey, man, if I'm not getting him 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.280 stop quicker quick quickly, I'm going to get aggressive, you know. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.080 So he's going to score fast. I'm getting it back fast, 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:02.760 you know. But those things we got to talk about, 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.240 you know, when we first came here. You know, I 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.440 would I would always go to coach and say, look, man, 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.520 I mean this offense you're running, I mean, it's it 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.600 is fast paced, you know. So for me to you know, 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.480 play to our strengths and play to your strengths of 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.760 the offense, and I gotta match that, you know. So 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.080 I'm gonna I'm gonna be up temple fast paced defense. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.200 Also and again you know, my goal is to obviously, 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.440 you know, have three and outs, you know, or take 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.800 the ball away. If they're gonna score, they're gonna score quickly, 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.600 right and and get you in college the ball back quicker, 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:31.879 you know, quickly enough to have more possessions. You know, 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.119 I don't I don't want to go on fifteen you know, 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.840 fifteen twenty play drives. You know that happened against Cleveland. 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:38.639 Against Green Bay, we had two drives where it was 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.520 too long, you know, and uh, you know, not tackling 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.400 and and and not win the third downs that kills 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.080 our offense. You know. So just just knowing how you know, 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.359 how this team's constructed and how we win, you know, uh, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:55.200 affects everyone, you know. So with with thirty points being 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.320 scored a game, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna call it aggressive, 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.119 you know, I'm gonna take the ball away from Cliff 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.159 and if it's getting too long and know, I'm going 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.080 to open a well and blitz because now you know, hey, 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.720 if he's going to score, let him score in six plays, 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.480 not in twelve. You know, Let's get get the ball 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:10.960 back to the Cliffs so he can score more points 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.360 and we can win games together. So that's always being 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.240 talked about in the building. Have you noticed a difference 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.760 at all in Cliff's personality coming out more? I bring 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.919 that up because I think I think I know the answer, 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.040 but I had You know, I've known Cliff for a 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.080 while doing going back to when he was even at 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.200 Houston doing some of the games, and then when Manzelle 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.320 was at A and M and I had two Texas 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.280 Tech games recently. Cliff doesn't want to talk to me 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.480 because they were against Texas and Oklahoma and they smoked 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.200 in both games. But it was interesting. A lot of 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.480 the folks at Texas Tech were saying, because I said, 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.680 you know, Cliff's got an edge this year as personality 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.600 has really come out, and the Texas Tech people are 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.680 saying that's how Cliff was here that maybe it just 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.439 was you know, adjusting to the NFL, not overstepping your 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.639