1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: your host, Dave Pash, ESPN play by play announcer and 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: voice of the Arizona Cardinals. Our guest today is Vance Joseph, 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: in his third year as the defensive coordinator of the 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals after two years as the head coach of 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos. Coming up, I'll ask Vance about his 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: secondary Did he see Marco Wilson being this good as 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: a rookie? What about Byron Murphy and him bursting onto 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: the scene here in twenty twenty one, we'll discuss the 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: growth of Isaiah Simmons and where Zaban Collins is at 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: and his development. Also, Chandler Jones, the new Cardinals all 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: time sack leader, where does he rank among the players 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: that Vance Joseph has been around? And will Vance be 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: a head coach again in twenty twenty two? All that 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 1: and more coming up. We are brought to you by 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: bet MGM, the official sports betting partner of the Arizona 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Cardinals and Hila River Hotels and Casinos. 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Before we get too 27 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: deep into the details, I definitely want to do that 28 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: give me an overall sense of how you would assess 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: how your defense is playing this year. Well, thus four, 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: I think we've been solid. You know. Obviously the numbers 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: that were concern about its points allowed, I think right 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: now with the defense on the field, it's about fifteen five. 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: You know, That's that's pretty good. You know, in its 34 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: day and age with the NFL football, you know, everyone's 35 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: giving up points, everyone's going points. So our our entire 36 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: offseason and our entire camp and our entire goals is 37 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: to keep the points, you know, low, and that's that's 38 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: that's winning football, you know, and right now that's happening 39 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: it's not perfect, and every every week with growing we 40 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: got a bunch of young guys playing. So um, it's 41 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: always a work in progress when it comes to that, 42 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 1: but it's forced over our product. It's it's decent right now. 43 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: I'm curious how how you would assess what the strength 44 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: of your defenses. To me, watching it kind of from 45 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: a bird's eye view in the booth, it seems like 46 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: your secondary is certainly a big part of that. The 47 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: thing about that is like I didn't see Marco Wilson 48 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: coming Byron Murphy even making the steps that he did. 49 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: Did you see those things coming? And if so, when 50 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: did you see it coming? I saw Murphy coming um 51 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: this spring. He was different. His body was from his 52 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: mindset was different. So I saw that progress. Obviously, he 53 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: played a lot of football as a young guy, and 54 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: he had some hard downs, you know, but he learned 55 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: from it. And to have a young corner that plays 56 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: inside and outside, that's that's hard to find. And right 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: now he's mastering that, you know, and that that obviously 58 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: makes his value, you know, huge and makes our defense better. 59 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: With Marco Wilson, I wasn't sure, you know. We watched 60 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: the tape obviously in college, and when you research his background, 61 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be surprised. I mean he was he was 62 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: a big time player in high school. He was teammates 63 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: with Pats Hurtanum, the kid from Cleveland Swards. So I 64 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: mean he's he's been around good players his entire life, 65 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: and I mean he's he's he's been a good player. 66 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: He was a freshman start at Florida, you know, for 67 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: three years, so that that takes talent. You know, walk 68 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: in that conference and the players a freshman versus all 69 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: those Alabama first round picks. So when he's playing against 70 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: these NFL guys, he's never overwhelmed because he's played against 71 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: him already, you know, and when you track his background, 72 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be surprised. But drafting him in the fourth round, 73 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: obviously having a day once stared at corner, that's that 74 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: that's impressive by Steve and his staff to find a 75 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: guy who can play that early, you know, with the 76 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: football IQ and the courage and the confidence to play 77 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: at a high level and overcome bad place. You know, 78 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: he's done all those things. So it's been fun to 79 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: watch him grow. What about your your young linebackers it's 80 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: been fun to see the growth of Isaiah Simmons. Is 81 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: that something that you know last year with no preseason games, 82 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: how much of a killer was that for him? And 83 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: when do you feel like he finally got comfortable with 84 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: what he was seeing? That was awful for Isaiah. I 85 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: mean he had no offseason and no training camp, you know, 86 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: so the first time he even met with us in 87 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: personal was in training camp, you know. And the having 88 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: no games that was that was hard for him because 89 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: in college he wasn't a screw down linebacker. I mean 90 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: he was he was more of a hybrid safety outside 91 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: backer type, you know. So when he came to us, 92 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: he was he was playing more closer to the box 93 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: and playing more linebacker stuff and that takes time, you know, 94 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: and I think a about week eight or nine, you 95 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: can see the growth with Isaiah. You know, he got comfortable, 96 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: started making plays and kept the package really small for him. 97 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: And now, man, I mean, he's getting better and better 98 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: each week. He is still a young player, you know. 99 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: I mean he's he's he's in his second year, but again, 100 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: missing that time an off season and training camp. In 101 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: those games, he's still a young player. So hopefully he 102 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: can keep growing. Man with his physical tools and his 103 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: football like you, he can be something different that the 104 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: league has never seen, you know, and he's he wants 105 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: to be that. He's working hard every single day and 106 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: he can do a lot of things for your defenses. 107 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: For its covering tight ends, uh, sitting at edges, outside backer, 108 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, closing the middle as a middle safety, but blitzing, 109 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, playing in space. I mean, so his his skills. Second, 110 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: it's it's unique and he can be a different type 111 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: of player you know that we've never seen in this league, 112 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: you know. And as far as Zaven, you know, Xavan's 113 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: in the same boat. You know, he's he's trying to 114 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: figure out Mike Backer. You know, that's that's being a 115 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: quarterback up of the entire defense and that takes time, 116 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: you know, and he's he's working at it and he's 117 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: getting better and better each week. He's nicked up right now. 118 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: That that's hurt Zaving as far as missing practice time, 119 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: but as far as the person and the player, he's 120 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: going to be fine. What is it about a player 121 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: like Jordan Hicks when you're a defensive coordinator that there's 122 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: a comfort there for you. I assume when you've got 123 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: somebody that knows what he's doing and knows what other 124 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: guys are doing, you know, where does that factor in 125 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: terms of like what you're looking at in terms of 126 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: playing time and reps? Absolutely, I mean he is. He 127 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: is my game manager, you know. I mean you have 128 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: to have a player on the field that sees the 129 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: game like you, you know, who can make all the 130 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: audibles and make all the checks and help a lot 131 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: of guys get lined up. And that comes with experience, 132 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: you know. And Jordan's been with us now for three 133 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: seasons and I mean he's played he's played over probably 134 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, two thousand reps in his defense, you know, 135 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: so he understands the defense. And weekly in the NFL now, 136 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: the game's become so complicated, these offenses, I mean every week, 137 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: they change, they evolve weekly, and you have to have 138 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: a guy who can who can unwind the formations, who 139 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: can unwind the checks because if you if if you 140 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: can adjust on game day, you know from the huddle, 141 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to play great defense, you know, 142 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: But havn't having Hicksie who understands the concepts. He can 143 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: he can help us adjust you know, play play by play, 144 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: and that's so important, you know, doing his NFL right now, 145 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: you're talking about how offenses adjust and how complex they are. 146 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting. I don't know if 147 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: you heard what Kyle Shanahan said after the game. He 148 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: said he was shocked at what happened because he thought 149 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: they had such a great week of practice and obviously 150 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: you guys messed with their heads. I mean, they couldn't 151 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: do much offensively. They had two really big plays, and 152 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: both big plays they fumble the ball. Sure, so what 153 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: did you guys do to them to kind of get 154 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: them off schedule? I think every every week, you know, 155 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: we have a plan to take away what the offense 156 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: does best. You know, and obviously Shanahan and the Niners 157 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: are run first offense. You know, we thought, if we 158 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: can just kill a run game and forced him to 159 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: throw the ball, you know, more often than he wanted to, 160 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: it can it can. It can lead to takeaways and 161 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: sacks and those things. And I warned the staff, I said, listen, guys, 162 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: you know we're going to be in this heavy package 163 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: early and he's gonna throw the football and he may 164 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: make some plays, you know, but let's stay with it, 165 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, Let's let's make them do what they're not 166 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: good at doing, and that's throwing them ball thirty forty 167 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: plus times, you know, And and it worked out for us, 168 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: and some of sometimes it didn't look pretty. They made 169 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: some plays in the past game, but we knew if 170 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: we stuck to it that we can make some plays 171 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, take the ball away and 172 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: sack the quarterback a bunch of times. And that's what happened. 173 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: But I think every every game we have a plan 174 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: to obviously take away with the offense does best, you know, 175 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: like Green Bay they ran the ball some. But the 176 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: plan that night wasn't to make Aaron Rodgers one dimensional 177 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: and pass every down. You know. So every every every 178 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: game is so different, you know. And obviously with Aaron 179 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: Rodgers type or Tom Brady type, it's a it's a 180 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: cat and mouse game to absorb some runs, you know, 181 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: and and kind of you know, win some first downs 182 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: with shell and some rickson and put him in second 183 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: and long. You know. But obviously, you know, Sunday it's different, 184 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: different plan. It was stopped to run first at any 185 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: cost and make them throw, and it worked out for us. 186 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: But you know that, and that in my opinion, it's 187 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: what our defense that's unwell all year, you know, every 188 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: every game with our staff and myself, you know, having 189 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: having a plan to go into the game and to 190 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: take away what they do best. You know. Week one, 191 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: Tennessee it was run first, you know, and our our 192 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: plan was set that way. We go to Cleveland, it 193 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: was run first, Our plan was set that way. So 194 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 1: we've had three games where we faced run first offenses, 195 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: and so far it's worked out. And I was Tennessee 196 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: and I was Cleveland, and I was Sam Fran on Sunday. 197 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: So you talked about the cat and mouse game. I 198 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: think it's so interesting because so I do in college 199 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: game every week for at ESPN ABC. We got Notre 200 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: Dame Virginia this week, you got two veteran quarterbacks. But 201 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: I still feel like in college it's coach versus coach. 202 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: How much in the NFL is it coach versus quarterback, 203 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: meaning it's cat mouse between you and Aaron Rodgers, or 204 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: you and Tom Brady or you in this week, Sam Darnold. 205 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: Now maybe with younger quarterbacks it's more coach on coach, 206 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: But how much is it like you're trying Aaron Rodgers 207 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: is trying to think about what you're going to do 208 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: based on your tendencies when he knows you and watching you, 209 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: and you're trying to figure out kind of exactly, you know, 210 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: how their offense goes based on their quarterback. Absolutely, I 211 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: think that's huge on Sundays. It's it's always to QB 212 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: versus to coach, you know, because the next move and 213 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: to dictate, you know, playing defense in in this league, 214 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: you have to make them one dimensional either way, you know, 215 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: and the best defense over times have always dictated to 216 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: the offense. If you don't dictate to the offense, I mean, 217 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: you can't get them stopped, you know. So you know, 218 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, those guys, I mean you have 219 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: you have to take something away, you know, to make 220 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: them one dimensional either way, running or passing of football. 221 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: If you don't, you know, if you're just trying to 222 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: play formations and playing plays, man, you can't survive. It's 223 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: it's too many concepts. It's too many plays to practice 224 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: and to uh, you know, to defend. You know. But 225 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: the the cat and mouse game from the coach to 226 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: the quarterback and obviously the players performing and uh, you know, 227 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: putting the plan in place, you know, pre pre snap looks, 228 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: post snap looks. That's so critical. You know. With Aaron Rodgers, 229 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: our our plan was to obviously give him a pre 230 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: snap look and when the ball snap changed the look 231 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: and it worked a couple of times. You know. Obviously 232 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: we had some run game issues. We're more tackling than anything. 233 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: But the plan was solid. We just didn't tackle well enough. 234 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: And obviously, uh, you know, we had some short fields 235 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: there and they made some plays. But it's always that 236 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: game on Sundays. And you know, uh, my first one 237 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: in the league with Mike Nolan, I mean he was 238 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: he was really a bright guy. He came out of 239 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: Baltimore with those guys, with Ray Lewis and those guys, 240 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: and he would always talk about playing a quarterback, you know, 241 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: not not worrying about the big time receiver or the 242 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: big time back. It was always the plan was for 243 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: the quarterback, and and and and the receivers were excess, 244 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: the backs were excess, but the plan that's where started. 245 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: You know, how do you make the quarterback flinch? You know, 246 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: how do you bly on the quarterback with layers of 247 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: coverage that was always his first call of duty and 248 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: game plan meetings. And that's right, because that guy is 249 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: so important to you know, win in losing games. If 250 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: you don't take care of the quarterback man, you can't 251 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: win in this league from from a defensive perspective. So 252 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: with that said, on game day, how much obviously you 253 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: have a plan and you're talking with your other coaches, 254 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: But how much are you adjusting on the fly? How 255 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: much is it feel based on how you when you 256 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: look at a certain situation, you know, And I don't 257 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: know if it's the same for every decordinator or is 258 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: it difference. Some guys go strictly by feel, and I know, 259 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: like it's a different level Mike Leach. There's no playbuff 260 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: it's just all rights, not saying you're doing that. How 261 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: much how much of what you do is okay? You know? 262 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: And I had the plan going in it's not working. Well, 263 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna change it right now, or maybe I'll change 264 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: it for a little bit and see if this works. Well. Yeah, 265 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's fair. I mean, you have 266 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: a plan to go into the game, and obviously the 267 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: first fifteen plays for the offense, that's usually their best plays. 268 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: You know, if the plans working, then you have a 269 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: good plan. You know, if it's not. If it's not working, 270 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: you have to adjust quickly. I mean, you can't wait 271 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: to half time to make adjustments and you're down by 272 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: three scores. And that's one thing our staff, man, it's 273 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: done a great job with it's making adjustments, especially at halftime. 274 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: I think a second half. As far as our numbers, 275 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: they get better in the second half, as far as 276 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: yard is in points, you know, And that's that's having 277 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: a great staff. That's having a lot of players who understand, 278 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 1: you know, our scheme, so we can adjust. Want to 279 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: fly without practicing certain things. But you have to be 280 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: able to adjust, you know, especially if it's not working. 281 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: You know that that Minnesota game that force us to 282 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: adjust the first the first court and a half, man, 283 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: I mean they were ripping us in a run game, 284 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: in a plex and pass what's not being stopped And 285 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: we got the halftime and and turned it right. I 286 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: mean they rushed for like thirty five yards in the 287 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: second half and scored three points. You know, So this 288 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: league is a it's a league of adjusting. If you 289 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: don't adjust, you know, to that guy having a great plan. Man, 290 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: you can't you can't obviously finish game. So it's uh, 291 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, some of its feel on a run, but 292 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: once you figure out what's hurting you, you have to 293 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: have answers in your plan to get it stopped immediately. 294 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: If you don't, you can't win. Chandler Jones just became 295 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: the all time sack leader in Cardinal's history. Where does 296 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: he rank? I mean, you've coached yea great players, You've 297 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: seen great players. You were in the NFL as a 298 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: player for a couple of years, so I mean you've 299 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: been around great players for twenty five years in this league. 300 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: Where does he rank? I'm not saying you have the 301 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: list of number one and number five, but is he 302 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: up there the among the best that you've ever coached 303 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: or ever seen at this level? Absolutely As a pass rusher, 304 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Chan's unique, you know, and uh, when you 305 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: when you watch Chan play, I mean, it's it's it's 306 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: a different style of pass rushing. It's a it's a 307 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: it's a tall, long guy with with with jinkie and 308 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: kind of funny movements. You know that works on guys. 309 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: But it's a plan to it. I mean and he 310 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: studies pass rushing and um, you know, it's it's not hope, 311 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: it's a it's a plan and he works his moves. 312 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: He he takes the opponents you know, weekly and spends 313 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: hours and hours on watching tackles sets, you know, so 314 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: he has a plan of going a game with And 315 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: you can't be great at something in this league if 316 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: you're not working at it. You know, it's dev The 317 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: physical twos obviously help you, you know, but most of 318 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: the great players, many have they have a great plan 319 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: going into games and and he's no different. I mean, 320 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, if you get him one on one with 321 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: most NFL tackles, he's gonna win his share. And that's 322 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: what he's good at, you know. And as far as 323 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: Russia's coach von Miller Off, coach camera Wake all those guys, 324 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: and I've been around d Ware, I mean he is, 325 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: he is up there with those guys because he can 326 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: win one on ones consistently, and if you don't have 327 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: a plan for Tamla Jones, he can he can wreck 328 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: the game. And that's what most great players do. They 329 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: wreck the game if you don't have comfort those guys 330 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: and he can do those things. We've seen now two 331 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: clear examples of how well the operation is running for 332 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: you guys, Cleveland and then last week where you're down coaches. 333 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's never happened before. Now with COVID, there's 334 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: coaches who aren't there. You obviously were the interim coach 335 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: for the Cleveland game, and then you know Jeff Rogers 336 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: isn't available for this game. I know that impacts everybody. 337 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: So I guess my question is the dynamic must be 338 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: really good on the staff. What's it like between you 339 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: and Cliff? How involved is he and what you guys 340 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: are doing and how much are you talking? On game day? Right? 341 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: We talk constantly, you know, I've during a week, you know, 342 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: him and I talk about, you know, how to win 343 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: a game together, you know, And every week it's different, 344 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: you know. We all have weeks where the pressure falls 345 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: on one side of the ball, you know, or even 346 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: on Jeff, you know. So we have meetings on Thursday 347 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: Fridays and just just talk about how to win this game, 348 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, if I have to, you know, 349 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, play fast or to give him more possessions, 350 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, And that's that's obviously a big deal, you know, 351 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: if our offense is going thirty points a game, you know, 352 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: so if I can't get him off the field quickly, 353 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: that kills our offense, you know. So we have a 354 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: plan sometime to Hey, man, if I'm not getting him 355 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: stop quicker quick quickly, I'm going to get aggressive, you know. 356 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: So he's going to score fast. I'm getting it back fast, 357 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: you know. But those things we got to talk about, 358 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: you know, when we first came here. You know, I 359 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: would I would always go to coach and say, look, man, 360 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean this offense you're running, I mean, it's it 361 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: is fast paced, you know. So for me to you know, 362 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: play to our strengths and play to your strengths of 363 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: the offense, and I gotta match that, you know. So 364 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna be up temple fast paced defense. 365 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: Also and again you know, my goal is to obviously, 366 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, have three and outs, you know, or take 367 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: the ball away. If they're gonna score, they're gonna score quickly, 368 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: right and and get you in college the ball back quicker, 369 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: you know, quickly enough to have more possessions. You know, 370 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to go on fifteen you know, 371 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty play drives. You know that happened against Cleveland. 372 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: Against Green Bay, we had two drives where it was 373 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: too long, you know, and uh, you know, not tackling 374 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: and and and not win the third downs that kills 375 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: our offense. You know. So just just knowing how you know, 376 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: how this team's constructed and how we win, you know, uh, 377 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: affects everyone, you know. So with with thirty points being 378 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: scored a game, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna call it aggressive, 379 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna take the ball away from Cliff 380 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: and if it's getting too long and know, I'm going 381 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: to open a well and blitz because now you know, hey, 382 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: if he's going to score, let him score in six plays, 383 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: not in twelve. You know, Let's get get the ball 384 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: back to the Cliffs so he can score more points 385 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: and we can win games together. So that's always being 386 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: talked about in the building. Have you noticed a difference 387 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: at all in Cliff's personality coming out more? I bring 388 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: that up because I think I think I know the answer, 389 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: but I had You know, I've known Cliff for a 390 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: while doing going back to when he was even at 391 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: Houston doing some of the games, and then when Manzelle 392 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: was at A and M and I had two Texas 393 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: Tech games recently. Cliff doesn't want to talk to me 394 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: because they were against Texas and Oklahoma and they smoked 395 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: in both games. But it was interesting. A lot of 396 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: the folks at Texas Tech were saying, because I said, 397 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, Cliff's got an edge this year as personality 398 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: has really come out, and the Texas Tech people are 399 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: saying that's how Cliff was here that maybe it just 400 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: was you know, adjusting to the NFL, not overstepping your 401 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: bounds kind of you know, feeling things out. Have you 402 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: noticed a difference this year and Cliff, well, you know, 403 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: he's always had a swagger and an edge to him, 404 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, but it's you know, it's it's good to win, 405 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: and it's good to see your work, you know, come 406 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: from you know, you know it'll come to the forefront 407 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: and it's working. You know that that gives you confidence, 408 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: you know, And um, I think most young coaches come 409 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: in this league, as as as head coaches especially, and 410 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: you have to you know, you have to change who 411 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: you are. You don't have to change who you are, 412 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: you know, I mean you can you can be yourself 413 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: and still be a great NFL coach has been proven 414 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: over the years and Rex Ryan and Mike thom and 415 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: I mean they got huge personality, Sean McVeigh, you know, 416 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: so you can be yourself and still do a good 417 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: job and uh, you know, be excited on the sideline 418 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, simply you know, and enjoy 419 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: the game, you know, and not have to be this 420 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: this stoic you know, straight up, button up guy on 421 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: the sideline and that's not football, you know. So I 422 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: it's it's fun to watch him be himself. You know, 423 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: it's fun to you know, watch his team win and 424 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, went through all kinds of adversity, you know, 425 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: so it's uh, it's it's been three years in the works. 426 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: And I would always tell Cliff, I said, man, one day, 427 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: it's going to be the greatest job they've ever seen. 428 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: You know. We just got to hang in there and 429 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: keep coaching these guys. And it takes time in this 430 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: league to to flip it, you know. And it's it's 431 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: fun to watch our young guys play so well, it's 432 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: fun to watch Kyler in offense, you know, uh, you 433 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: know score so many points each week. So you know 434 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: what we talked about three years ago is finally happening, 435 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, obviously it's it's it's hard to 436 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: stay here, but it's also fun to watch it happen, man, 437 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: and hopefully it gets better and better. I'm glad you 438 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: brought that up, because you know, I've said many times that, 439 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: you know, I think Michael Bidwill deserves credit for being 440 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: patience and a lot of owners aren't patient. They were 441 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: not patient with you in Denver. They didn't give you time. 442 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: You've got two years, and you know, I'm curious as 443 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: you look back on that experience because I think, if 444 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: things keep going well, you're going to have another chance. 445 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: I hope you do. You deserve it. I believe you 446 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: deserve another chance to be a head coach. So what 447 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: did you learn from that experience that you think has 448 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: helped you so that when the next one comes around, 449 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: you'll be better prepared, but have a chance it's successful 450 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: and staying there longer. I think in this league, obviously 451 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: you know it's going to be four to five six 452 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: jobs a year because the demand for winning is uh, obviously, 453 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: you know high, you know, and the time they used 454 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: to give you to flip teams, it's gone. You know, 455 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: so you know you have three years probably max, to 456 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: make huge improvement to show the owner that year heading 457 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: in the right direction, you know. And uh, I think 458 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: the Denver experiences just taught me a couple of things 459 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: about you know, um obviously as a head coach, you know, 460 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: being involved with everything and trying to fix it all, 461 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, so you can survive and have time to 462 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: fix it. You know, if you don't make enough progress 463 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: and and in your second year, especially in all three phases, 464 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: you know, you won't have time to fix it, you know. 465 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: And I think you know as a as a guy 466 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: who's gone through that, and now now you understand that 467 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: you have to figure out how to fix it, especially 468 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: an offseason right and when it's when it's player picking 469 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: season and having a quarterback and having those pieces that 470 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: that you need to flip your team into improve. You 471 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: got to get it done right. You have to get 472 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: it done. And you know, once once you have your 473 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: team said and you're moving forward and you don't have 474 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: those pieces, man, it's impossible in this league to improve 475 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: and to move on and to try to find an 476 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: identity with your team if you don't have a quarterback, 477 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, are offensive line. So the player picking season 478 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: is so critical, you know, to you changing the culture, 479 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: because you won't change the culture without winning. You know, 480 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: you can, you can be a great coach and you 481 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: can preach the right things and coach the right things. Man, 482 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 1: but if you can't win and have a winning product, 483 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: it's hard to convince anyone around you, the city, the owner, 484 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: the players, the building that you're the right guy if 485 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: you're not winning, you know, And it's been a number 486 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: of great head coaches that on that first chances it 487 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: didn't work, you know. And it's a it's a players league, 488 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: it really is. And you have to have the right 489 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: pieces first to to have a chance to coach and 490 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: to build culture and ability winning culture. You know. And 491 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: I and I think it's a young head coach. You 492 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: come in and you think, boy, you know, I'm with 493 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: I'm with these experienced gms and experienced scouts. But you 494 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: have to have a voice in the players. You have 495 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: to have a voice in what you need for your 496 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: systems to work, you know. And when you're a young 497 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: head coach, it's your first time, you kind of defer 498 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: some of those things because you don't want to like, 499 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: you know, I mean that's the GM and that's his job, 500 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: that's the scouts job. But really a false back on you, 501 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: you know, so you have to have a voice and 502 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: in the player of picking season to have a chance 503 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: to improve enough to keep your job so you can 504 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: fix it. And we all know it's ultimately about the quarterback. 505 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: That's about your best players at your best position. I 506 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: work with Jeff Van Gundi on NBA games. Last year 507 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: we were stuck doing games from our houses, so we 508 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: had like a backdrop behind us of books and things 509 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: on our shelves, and Jeff has this huge picture of 510 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing, right, So why he would always say Tricking 511 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: built my house, Like I have this house because of 512 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: Patrick Hewing, not because how good a coach I was, 513 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: but because of Patrick Ewings, Right. So, as you know, 514 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: down the road get opportunities, do you feel like you're 515 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: in a position where you can be picky because you 516 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: don't want to just take a job if there's not 517 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: a quarterback in place, or like you said, if player 518 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: picking season has not gone well for that organization. Right, absolutely, 519 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm to the point in my life where 520 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm pretty set, you know, as as far 521 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: as you know, my job here. I love living here, 522 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: My family love living here. I have a thunders a 523 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: freshman at Brophy, you know, and you know, you know, 524 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: I would like him to finish high school at one school. 525 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: My daughter Natalie went to three high schools, you know. 526 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: But it took that to obviously get me the Denver 527 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: job and moving and having success and moving on and 528 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: moving on, and obviously, you know, for her, that wasn't 529 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: a great experience in high school. But she's she's fine 530 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: for it. She's at USC as a junior in a 531 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: journalism and she's a steady kid, and she's she's bright 532 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: and smart and she can adjust. But um, I have 533 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: great job here, you know. So I'm not going to 534 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: jump the first opportunity if it happens to take a 535 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: you know, a job that I can't see myself fixing 536 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: it quick enough to shoot it. You know. My goal 537 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: wasn't to be a head coach. It was to be 538 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: a coach for a long time, you know. And sometimes again, 539 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: young guys, I mean, you get the job and once 540 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: you get it and it gets hard. Man, Well you 541 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: know I've been a head coach. I'm done. That's not 542 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: my goal. You know, my goal is to be a 543 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: head coach for a long time, you know, So the 544 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: next job I take, if I have a chance to 545 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: take one, it's got to be the right job. And 546 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, I think that's that's that's the way I 547 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: should be thinking, you know, being my second chance, because 548 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, if you get two chances, man, that's it. 549 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: You know, you won't get three probably, So my next 550 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: one's got to be the right one. And I was 551 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: reading something about Pete Carroll about three weeks ago and 552 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: he mentioned Russell. He goes, you know, you know, Russell 553 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: Russell has kept me in his job for a long time. 554 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: You know. And when you have a guy like a 555 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: Russell or Kyler, man, I mean you can really have 556 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: a vision and to build around those guys. That piece, 557 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: that piece is so important to football teams, right. If 558 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: you don't have that piece, it's it's tough to have 559 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: a vision for a football team without that one piece 560 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: because you're always searching for that piece and you're always 561 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: gambling and sacrificing and using resources that you shouldn't be 562 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: using to trying to find that piece. And if you 563 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: don't find it, man, it doesn't happen. I mean, you 564 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: go back on every every team that's won a big game, 565 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: it's been very few who know who didn't have a 566 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. It's been done before. It's been done before, right, 567 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: the Ravens did it with the great defense. I think 568 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: Tampa did it with Brad Johnson who was a good, 569 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: good quarterback. But it's it's rare, especially in this NFL 570 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: is so different with the rules and the points being scored, 571 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: that that spot has to be it has to be 572 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: filled and that's the only way in my opinion. And 573 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: you can have a vision for a team if if, 574 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: if that quarterback spot it is the right guy, and 575 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: you can simply build around it and have time and 576 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: resource to fix it around that guy. If not, it's 577 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: a it's an uphill battle. Last couple because I know 578 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: you get a run. I'm curious about when you got 579 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: the coaching bug, because you were a player and you 580 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: played in the NFL for a couple of years. When 581 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: did it start? And then who were some of your 582 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: influences along the way. That's an awesome question, man, I 583 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: was you know, I only played about two and a 584 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: half two and a half years on paper, and Gary 585 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: Burnett was my quarterback coaching college. And he was at 586 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: Northwestern doing a great job, and he took the Colorado job, 587 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: and he was back in town and Boulder, and I 588 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: was living in denver Nebroncos just released me, and I 589 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: was just doing some sports insurance work out in New York, 590 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: just trying to find my second career, you know. And 591 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: I didn't want to coach because you know when when 592 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: when players are done playing and it's not you know, 593 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: on your terms, you kind of like, you know, this coaching, 594 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: this football, I'm done for a while and need a 595 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: break from football. But he called me up. He said, hey, 596 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: you know when I coached you, you know, you had 597 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: a coaching bug till you And I said really, he goes, yeah, 598 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: he said, just come down and spend a day with 599 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: us on a Saturday, you know, doing spring ball and 600 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: see if you're like it or not. So I went 601 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: down and hung with coach for a day, and and uh, 602 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: you know it, that feeling came back again, you know, 603 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: just just just a young guys running around and the 604 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: game of football and watching guys practice and learning and 605 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: watching guys teach. Man that buck came back. And I 606 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: went into that spring as a GA you know, with 607 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: coach at Colorado and I gad for a year and 608 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: a half and got a full time job with Waomi 609 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: for a spring and went back to Colorado as a 610 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: secondary coach for like three seasons. So that's where I started. 611 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: And it was all coach Barnett just getting me back 612 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: into football because he saw theming me as a player 613 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: that I would be a great coach and it worked 614 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: out and from there I spent a you know, most 615 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: of my NFL career with Sam Fran, with Mike Nolan, 616 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: who was a hell of a hell of a head coach, man, 617 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: hell of head coach. With Mike Singletary also, you know, 618 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: who's obviously a great leader and a great player in 619 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: this league for a long time. So between Gary Barnett 620 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: and Mike Nolan, Mike Singletary, Billy Davis was my coordinator 621 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: and uh in San Fran, great Manusky. Leaving those guys 622 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: and going with Wade Phillips, that was that was obvias, 623 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: A great move for me and a great experience being 624 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: around Wade for four years. I mean he is he 625 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: is a mastermind that's never had a bad day in life. 626 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't matter if we're down by fifty 627 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: or by fifty, I mean, he is still the same guy. 628 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: And that's that's uh, that's one guy that I kind of, 629 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, kind of you know, take my coaching approach 630 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: from that, you know, just just fix it, you know, 631 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean he would he would always say, you know, 632 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: it's it's plenty of problem pointers. You know, let's be 633 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: problem solvers. And he was right about that. That's coaching, right. 634 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: I mean, anyone can see the issue, but let's let's 635 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: solve the problem. And he was so good with players. 636 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: Players love playing for him because he kept their lives simple. 637 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: He was fair, he was honest, he kept their life simple, 638 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: and you know, on a on a daily basis, this 639 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: guy never had a bad day. And that was you know, 640 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, players and coaches love working with Wade because 641 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: he was exactly the same every single day. And I 642 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: leaving Wade, I went with Marvin Lewis, you know, who 643 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: was incenseive for his fourteen season when I joined him. 644 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: So just learn about longevity and how to build a 645 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: program and and and to kind of hang in there 646 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: when when bad times are happening, and to get to 647 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: that thirteen fourteen season that was That was obviously the 648 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: great experience being with Marvin and his staff and Sinci 649 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: and from there going with Adam Gays in Miami as 650 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: a young head coach and watching him go through the 651 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: up and downs, and it's it's all. It's all one book, 652 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, and it obviously helps you NAVI get this league, 653 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: which is a which is an awesome league. It's an 654 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: awesome job, but it does have some some hard parts 655 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: to it that you have to navigate to us stay 656 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: alive in it. Well, it's all let you here and 657 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: we gotta let you go. But I'm really grateful for 658 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: you spending some time VJ. And I hope, for a 659 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: lot of reasons the Cardinals keep winning. But I also 660 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: hope that that leads to you being in a position 661 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: where you can choose whether to continue here or be 662 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: a head coach again, because I think you certainly deserve it. 663 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: So I appreciate the time. Man. Thank you. Bro Alright, 664 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: great conversation with Cardinals defensive coordinator Vance Joseph. He has 665 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: just some awesome tales on Marco Wilson and his development, 666 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: and also Byron Murphy and Isaiah Simmons, two other young 667 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: guys that have really exploded onto the scene here in 668 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: two twenty one plus Chandler Jones, who became the old 669 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: time sack leader. Vance had some great thoughts and where 670 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: he ranks among some of the best players Vans has 671 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: seen or coached, including von Miller. But the thing that 672 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: stood out to me the most was talking about the 673 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: next head coaching opportunity. As a two year head coach 674 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: with the Denver Broncos, he did not get a lot 675 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: of time to build it, and he knows you're probably 676 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: not going to get a third chance to be a 677 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: head coach, so you better be patient and selective if 678 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: and when you get that second opportunity. And I firmly 679 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: believe he is going to have another chance to be 680 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: a head coach. But he loves Arizona. He loves working 681 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals, his family loves Arizona, so he can 682 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: be selective and patient. There's a chance Vans will be 683 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: a head coach in twenty twenty two for another team 684 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: in the National Football League, but there's also a great 685 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: chance he'll continue to be the Cardinals defensive coordinator. You 686 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: can make the case as well as the Cardinals offense 687 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: has played all year and as much as Kyler Murray 688 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: is in the thick of the MVP conversation, it's the 689 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: defense that stands out above everything else is the biggest 690 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: reason why the Cardinals are where they are and why 691 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: they are a legit Super Bowl contender. We are presented 692 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: by bet MGM, the official sports betting partner of the 693 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals and Hila River Hotels and Casinos. You can 694 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: also follow us on Twitter at Pash Pod. The Cardinals 695 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: play the Panthers on Sunday, and then we'll talk to 696 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: you next week on The Dave Pash Podcast.