1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Yes, who's Blackburn Gang? And not a moment too soon? God, 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: Darren Urban joining me for talk about Zavon Collins? Is 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: there a more underappreciated player on the team? Also, Josh, 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: what how often do we expect to see number ten 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: on the field? It's Cardinals Cover two, episode eight ninety 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. Wood 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: to Baker, what heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable? 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again, 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: so more hurry magic. 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: Whow here's Craig Grioler. 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: So let me just say this, and with my boss 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: sitting directly across from me, if we're mistaken, Wow, right 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: off the top? Am I wrong? OTAs are voluntary? Correct, Darren? 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 3: They are voluntary for players? 18 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: Oh wow? Since one was for players? Added to this 19 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: because look, you're gone for a week and a half. 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: And whether it's the Red Sea Report, Cardinals Underground, or 21 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: this very show Cardinals Cover two. The number of shots 22 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: that I received basically was just one individual, Paul Calvic, 23 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: I show up what I need to show up. Mandatory 24 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: mini camp is not until next week. So the fact 25 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: that I missed what two open OTAs of the six 26 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: that were scheduled. Let me let's be fair. 27 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: You did ask and we're granted permission to do whatever 28 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: the heck you were doing. But traveling the world, Yes, 29 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: the the voluntary part absolutely comes from uh, the NFLPA CDA, 30 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't think you're part of that. 31 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: And last time I checked you, along with everybody else 32 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 3: duties as a sign buddy. 33 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: Who's to say that I potentially was not scouting on 34 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: my I. 35 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: Will say travels for somebody on vacation, you are way 36 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 3: too connected. We're getting texts, you're you're making comments and 37 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: both personal and professional areas that like, dude, just just 38 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: be with your family. Pot Kittle Black, I'm different. 39 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: I did not bring my computer. 40 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: There's a reason I've risen to the level that I have, Craig. 41 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: Greelu, I'll say this though, I was overseas and the 42 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: best way to disconnect is to not have access. Yes, Well, 43 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: and the fact that I lost access to email when 44 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: I traveled overseas, which I was not expecting was a positive. 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: What it was a nice bonus, Like, Okay, I still 46 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: have social media as to figure out what's going on, 47 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: and yes I did keep track of who was and 48 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: who wasn't here. 49 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: I'm gonna get out ahead of it. I am going 50 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 3: to assume be going on a vacation where I will 51 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: be without internet for most of the week or so 52 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: that I'm gone, So without internet. 53 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna never without internet. But okay, are you 54 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: gonna be? 55 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: Are you gonna be? Okay? No, Okay, don't mess it up, Craig, 56 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: all right, yes, Cody, make sure you turn off the TVs. 57 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: All right. So again, there were six OTA's. Actually there've 58 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: only been four. There's actually five because as we speak 59 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: here on Wednesday there was an OTA practice not open, 60 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: and then there is one schedule for a Thursday, but 61 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: two that were open to the media. So, Darren, what 62 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: I miss because I know, because I know you are 63 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: such a big fan of what happens in late May 64 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: and early. 65 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: You just said that on Cardinals Underground, which was you know, look, 66 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: I get it, I get the people that care about attendance, 67 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: I get it. You know, it's funny I saw there 68 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: the ESPN radio station affiliate in Cleveland is act actually 69 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: doing a for every open ota. They're actually charting the 70 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: passes of the four quarterbacks. Now, come on, like, we 71 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: discussed this on Underground, and I know, just reiterate it 72 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: because i know the audiences for these two podcasts, I'm 73 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: sure are very different. You know, the rules are such 74 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: we're talking about the NFLPA. The rules are such with 75 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: you know what defenses can do. It's it's offense versus defense. 76 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: But essentially, you can't challenge the receiver in the air 77 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: once you're not supposed to. So once that ball is 78 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: in the air, once, once that passes about halfway to 79 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: where it's supposed to be going, the defensive back has 80 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 3: to dial it back down anyway, So there's I don't 81 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 3: know what you're measuring. Really, Look, I think they've got 82 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: pretty good attendants. It is voluntary, so not everybody's gonna 83 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: be there. You got guys that are rehabbing. I thought 84 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon did a fantastic job the other day explaining 85 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 3: why he doesn't love talking about injuries. Doesn't mean I 86 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: don't wish he would talk about them more often, But 87 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: after he explained it. It's a very rational reason why 88 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: he doesn't like it very much. I think you've got 89 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 3: buy into the most important players. Kyler's out there every day, 90 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 3: he's working with guys. We're not going to really know 91 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: what's going to happen with this defense until you actually 92 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: start hitting in training camp. But you're relatively healthy and 93 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: that shouldn't be an issue going into camp. And I 94 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 3: don't know what else you're gonna get out of this. 95 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 3: I don't know if there is anything we've seen some 96 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: we've talked about this before. Bolt up, guys, but like again, 97 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 3: let's see what it means on the field. 98 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: And that's kind of where I am. I know the 99 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: attention of Marvin Harrison Junior and Darius Robinson, how they look, 100 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: and I kind of fall in the category. Yeah, that's 101 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: great because it shows that they're working and they're trying 102 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: to get better at their craft. But it doesn't matter 103 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: what you look like. How productive are you on the 104 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: football field, And that's we won't know that until the 105 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: season began, but you do have to put it in 106 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: the work here. As far as attendance, I do think 107 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: it's important that you hear Kyler Murray being here I 108 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: think is huge. Once upon a time that was not 109 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: the case. I do think it stems from having your 110 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback be here. I think it sends a good 111 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: message to trickle down. I also understand why there are 112 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: certain players who aren't here. When you reach the status 113 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: of a Kaleis Campbell or a Kelvin Beachum, you've been there, 114 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: done that this period of time. 115 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: Beach was here the other day, he was here. He 116 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: was here. 117 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: Okay. Now, typically he has chosen not to be here 118 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: until a mandatory mini camp, but he has earned it. 119 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: He was here this week. One of the things that 120 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: struck me about Beach and I don't think this is 121 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: anything against Beach, because Beach is a large human being 122 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: and you saw him out with all the rest of 123 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: the offensive lineman and I'm like, holy cow, we have 124 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: some big offensive lineman. Because Beach actually looked a little 125 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 3: small wow, which, yeah, that tells you something because Beach 126 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 3: is not small. But anyways, so I didn't mean to 127 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 3: derail you that. 128 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. That was one of the things when 129 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: I was following from overseas, did not see Kelvin Beacham's 130 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: name on that list oh he's back. But again, you're here. 131 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, once we get 132 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: to November December, and the record is what the record is, 133 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: you're not talking about. Oh, let's go back to late May, 134 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,559 Speaker 1: early June, and that's where it all began. I now 135 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: where I do think it is important for these OTAs 136 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: is for those rookies and young players, because once you 137 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: get to training camp and the veterans are here, you 138 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: lose those reps and you might not get those reps back. 139 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: So if you are a rookie or a second or 140 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: third year player on the bubble, you better be here 141 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: because you might get five or six rips here in 142 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: the offseason, but in training camp you might be getting 143 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: one or two. 144 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's all fair, and it does change. I 145 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: mean there's nuance here. You know. If such and such 146 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: isn't here, you're right, they've they've earned the right or 147 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: I don't know how much they're really gonna But if 148 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: you're younger, yeah, you should be here. And that makes 149 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 3: a lot of sense. And look, if I was playing, 150 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 3: probably I say that I don't know this. If I 151 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: was playing, I'd be here all the time. That's just 152 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: that's kind of who I am, but I understand again 153 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: why it wouldn't necessarily be that way for everybody. And 154 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: you know, if you're a Klais Campbell and you just 155 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: got through having a press conference with us when you signed, 156 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: and one of the things you noted was that you 157 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: think you can be still dominant for thirty or thirty 158 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: five snaps, But you start going over that and you're 159 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: gonna have a problem because of your age and the 160 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 3: and there aware on the tires. Then it makes some 161 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: sense to me that you're not out here when it's 162 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: one hundred degrees getting all these extra snaps, when the 163 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: juice isn't worth the squeeze with some of it, and 164 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: I'd rather have him save up whatever he's got left 165 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 3: on his body. 166 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: And it's easier to be here if you live here. 167 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: If you don't live here and you've got family somewhere else, 168 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: then okay, Now it becomes how do you divide your time? 169 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: But listening to Marvin talk about, yeah, he is living here, 170 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: he's working out here, Savin Collins earlier this week saying 171 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: this is what he does, and his recommendation to players 172 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: is you don't need to pay someone to train you 173 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: just come to the facility, and that's always the thing. 174 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: What you get taught away from here, and then you 175 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: come back and you have to get retaught on what 176 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: this coaching staff, what this training staff wants you to do. 177 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: So there's always that give and take as far as 178 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: all right, is it really beneficial to go somewhere else 179 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: when you have the opportunity to just do it right 180 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: in your own backyard? 181 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 3: And JG was talking about that, like this is like 182 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: basically the first and second part, and the third and 183 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: fourth parts. The more nuanced and leveled up ways to 184 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 3: go through installation come later in camp, and so this 185 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: is the early stuff. I will say, I'm glad you 186 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: listened to Zaven Collins interview. I'm disappointed that you listen 187 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 3: to it and we still don't have the breakdown. I 188 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: will say, dear listeners, that one of the things you 189 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 3: miss when Craig Reelou is not there, and it is 190 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 3: so important for so many of us in this in 191 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: this department. Uh, he basically goes through and marks down 192 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 3: the time of all the press conferences and what's being 193 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: said on each thing. And I can't even begin to 194 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: tell you how helpful that is when you're writing stories 195 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 3: or cutting sound or doing videos, and we've missed that 196 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: for a week and a half and it's just been devastating. 197 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 3: He deserves a promotion just on that. I can say 198 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: that because I have absolutely no control whatsoever on promotion, 199 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: so you know it doesn't really matter. 200 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm looking over to my right over here. 201 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: Gets I expect you to catch up. Catch up those. 202 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: Head coach twice both coordinators in hell case? Is that yeah, 203 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: I do have some. 204 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: I mean, will you do it? I don't know. 205 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: Oh no, I no, I think you know me long enough. 206 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: I will get it. I just again, it's when when 207 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: do you need it by I guess that's the question, 208 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: because you can't get it. You can't get those times back. 209 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: I could use them with bride stuff today. Okay, it 210 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: is what it is. 211 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: Maybe by tomorrow. Speaking of Zaven, yes, and just as 212 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: many new pieces on this defense and the fresh faces, 213 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: whether they're young or they're older. Xavion Collins to me 214 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: is someone that I'm very interested in seeing, not only 215 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: where he plays, how much he plays. Because if you 216 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: listen to JG, you listen to Nick Rollis there is 217 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: a distinction and a separation between how they viewed Xavin 218 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: versus how many of the fans use Aven and maybe 219 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: even some media local and anational. To me, there is 220 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: a huge amount of appreciation for Zavon Collins within this building. 221 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,599 Speaker 1: Outside the building, it's well, he only had five and 222 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: a half sacks last season as an outside linebacker. He's 223 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: not rushing the quarterback, he's not provided an pressure. But 224 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: then you hear the coaches say, well, it's not just that. 225 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: Within this defense, you want your outside linebacker to rush 226 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: the quarterback, set the edge, and drop into coverage. And 227 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: then there's additional responsibilities on Zavon that he's talked about 228 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: that we don't even notice. And then all right, how 229 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: do you determine he had a successful game a successful 230 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,119 Speaker 1: season because he's being asked to do something that typically 231 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: in most defenses and outside linebackers just go get the 232 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: ball carrier on the backfield, whether that's the quarterback or 233 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: the running back. That's not the case here in Arizona. 234 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: When zave and Collins contract was coming up last year 235 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: and they ended up re signing him, I think that 236 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: says a ton. I mean, here's a guy who was 237 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: drafted by the previous regime, as you said, hasn't exactly 238 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: put up stellar statistics. They moved him from the position 239 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: that he was playing. I mean a lot of those 240 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 3: things point to like, Okay, we're gonna use him until 241 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: his contract runs out and they're going to bring in somebody. 242 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: Makes more sense. The fact they brought him back, I 243 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: think says we might have underplayed how important that was 244 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: in terms of what it says about what they think 245 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 3: about him. I think they love what Zavion Collins does 246 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: for them. I think Nick Rolis loves the versatility that 247 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 3: he gives them. And no he's not a pro bowler, 248 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 3: but not everybody's going to be a pro bowler on 249 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: your team, and he gives them the option to do 250 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 3: so many different things, and they trust him to do 251 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 3: all those things. And I one hundred percent agree with you, 252 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 3: Like I think the dichotomy between what they think of 253 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 3: him in the building and how he's thought of outside 254 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: the building is kind of incredible. 255 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, we hear about the person, 256 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: the player, and then the role, and I think Xavion 257 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: Collins checks all of those boxes, and maybe no one 258 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: more than the role. Because you look went back next 259 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: gen stats on places players as far as where they 260 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: line up on the football field, and they had Zavon 261 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: lined it last year at five different positions edge, defensive tackle, linebacker, slot, 262 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: and cornerback. Now, if he talked to Zavian as you 263 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: guys did earlier this week, it seems like it's maybe 264 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: half a dozen or maybe more depending on how you 265 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: figure out. All right, are you above the center, are 266 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: you over the guard outside of the tackle spot? Are 267 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: you dropping playing inside? What they do with Zavian is 268 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: almost to a lesser extent and maybe less effective as 269 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: far as numbers are concerned, to what they showed what 270 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: they did with Buddha last year. As far as the movie, 271 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: he's not just a safety. He's not just the last 272 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: line of defense. He's close to the line of scrimmage. 273 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: He's at all three levels of the defense. And that 274 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: whether it shows up on a piece of paper, that's 275 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: what coaches look at versus what end of the game 276 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: you're looking like, Oh, well he had you know, six 277 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: tackles and a tackle for loss. But his name to 278 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: get called on TV or radio. But you look at 279 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: the film and Zavion makes a play here, or makes 280 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: a block, gets off a block to allow someone else 281 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: to make the play or tackle for loss. So again, 282 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: to me, he's very underappreciated, and I think it's something 283 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: that he's not going anywhere, and you have to have 284 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: those guys. To your point, Darren, that everyone has a 285 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: defined role, and Zavon's role is not to be the 286 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: Pro bowler, the Hall of Famer. His role is to 287 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: be a solid player who could be in this league, 288 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: within this defense, maybe even on this team for several years. 289 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: The other thing, too, is he's earned a You bring 290 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: in a new coach and you build a culture and 291 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 3: you want a certain locker room. Again, it is not 292 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: easy for a player from a previous regime, and we're 293 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: talking and when I say regime, it's not only the 294 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: coach but the GM two to be able to have 295 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: staying power with those people because for whatever reason, and 296 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 3: for him to earn another contract, they just they've got 297 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: to be impressed with him on every level, and he's 298 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: one of those guys in the locker room that they 299 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: like having in the locker room besides what he can 300 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 3: do on the field. So yeah, I mean, you gotta 301 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: have those guys that kind of build the roster, and 302 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: he's not to fill out the roster and to the 303 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: roster guy. He may not be on the very top. 304 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: He's not gonna get the Josh Sweat kind of money, 305 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: but for what he does crucial. 306 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: And within this defensive scheme. Now maybe it doesn't fit 307 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: some other defense. Maybe that's why when that contract was 308 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: offered in training camp, it was okay, let me sign 309 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: it now versus waiting, Because sometimes your best opportunity is 310 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: the opportunity you have. The grass isn't always screeners. 311 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: There's always guys who are gonna be more valuable where 312 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: they are than where how somebody else might see him. 313 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: Matt Wilson is another one of those guys. I think 314 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 3: for what they use him for here and how they 315 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: want to deploy him, Mac Wilson's probably more valuable with 316 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals than he would be with most teams I 317 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 3: would think, as. 318 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: Far as one of those two guys, whether it's Avon 319 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: or Mac. And the big question now within that defense 320 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: is all right, who's calling the defense? And your question 321 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: to Nick Rowlis this week about all right, Kaizer White's 322 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: no longer there, you don't have him, what do you do? 323 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: Because typically whoever wears that green dot is on the 324 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: field the majority of the time eighty five ninety percent 325 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: of the time as Kaizer was his two seasons here. 326 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: But if you don't have a mac Wilson senior playing 327 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: that much or Zavin, can it really be Buddha or 328 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: JT in the secondary or is it a rotation? But 329 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: then with a rotation, it's a different voice in your 330 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: helmet and a different case, and that can cause confusion. 331 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 3: I think it's a fantastic question, and it might. It's 332 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: something that's we can watch. I mean, I think Buddha 333 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 3: could do it. I think JT could do it again. 334 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 3: If you're Jalen Thompson and you're playing a lot of 335 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 3: snaps far away from the ball, that makes it harder 336 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 3: literally to make the calls if something is happening after 337 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 3: the huddle breaks. So I'm not sure what they're going 338 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: to do there. I mean, I have no doubt that 339 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 3: they have good plans in place, and some of it's 340 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: going to depend on who ends up winning that job. 341 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 3: I mean, if Cody Simon wins that vacant job, I 342 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 3: think he's a guy who's called defenses. I think you 343 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 3: can trust me. Seems super smart. I know he's a rookie, 344 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 3: but still, and I think you almost have to go 345 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 3: from there. In my opinion, you almost have to figure 346 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: out who you're going to have out there on the 347 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: field first and how much, and then and then try 348 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 3: and determine it rather than hey, these guys do the 349 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 3: green dot one of them hopefully is going to be on. 350 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: The field could have changed weekly. 351 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: I think that could get dangerous. 352 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: I do too, But I keep hearing even Nick Raalis 353 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: brought it up like, and we hear it a lot 354 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: from JG. Well, we're adaptable. We really don't play a 355 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: certain style or a certain scheme. I'm still in the 356 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: opinion you're going to see a lot more four man 357 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: fronts with four defensive linemen than you've ever had in 358 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: two seasons with JG as the head coach and Nick 359 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: Raalis as a defensive quarter, just based off of personnel, 360 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,239 Speaker 1: personnel and the number of bodies on that in that 361 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: D line room. 362 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 3: I don't I don't necessarily disagree with you, and I 363 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 3: could totally see that happening. But again, we're we're so 364 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 3: far like as both Rales and Gan and we're talking 365 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 3: about this week, it's like this is a time of year, 366 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 3: is about competing to show you're better than the next guy, 367 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: and then we'll worry about like how that all fits 368 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: on the roster and on the field and all that stuff. 369 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 3: So we're a while away from really moving towards that. 370 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: But that's what we talk about here in May, June, 371 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: and July is we're trying. 372 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 3: To when you're around, When you're around, that's what I 373 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 3: thought we were. 374 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: I thought we were done and had moved past that. 375 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I am back here. I mean I was 376 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: here first thing in the morning. I didn't see you 377 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: at a thirty am? 378 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: Why no, Why you know where I was? Civics matters. 379 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 3: You know what's important around here. Civic matters, Craig, Why 380 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 3: didn't you? And let me tell you something. There is 381 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 3: nobody who will beat a dead horse more than I will. 382 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: Darren Urban this morning at seven thirty am, was a 383 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: sky Harbor Airport, Yes, sending off a bunch of students, 384 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: including I wasn't but they were there participating, sending off 385 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: a bunch of students including can we call him a student, 386 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: Zach Kershman, I mean technically he is your pupil, right, 387 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: I mean he's learning to see what you did. He 388 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: is learning under the Darren Urban Tree. 389 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 3: He's on the he's on the trip, but again a 390 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 3: civics matter. It's a very important uh uh thing that 391 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: this organization does with Desert Financial and close up in Washington, 392 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: d C. And sends two hundred and seventy five kids, 393 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 3: students who wrote essays. He sends him on the Cardinal 394 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 3: Team plane to go to DC and meet with senators 395 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 3: and congress people and visit people and places that are 396 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 3: important to the government, kind of learn how we govern 397 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 3: and hopefully create more informed electorate, which is important these days. 398 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 3: So no, I think it's a great thing that we 399 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 3: did it again this morning. But that's why I wasn't 400 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 3: in the office, Craig. 401 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: Okay, Darren go to Azycardinals dot com for the article 402 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: that Darren wrotes. There you go, and then for all 403 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: the content that our colleagues ACT will be providing as well, 404 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: hopefully will be provided otherwise, it's basically a free trip 405 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: for him to DC. 406 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: I like the things he's talked about making, so we'll 407 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 3: see what. 408 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: All right, that's good tease. One other notes on the defense, 409 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: because that's what basically a lot of people are talking about. 410 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: Defensively just because the offense, the personnel is they're running 411 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: it back at least what it looks like. Yes, Now, 412 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: something else that I heard. Again, I've not gone through 413 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: the press conference log just yet. I will. One thing 414 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: I did hear though from Nick Ralis that struck me 415 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: was him talking about Josh What because we had not 416 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: heard Nick his reaction to the sweat addition, someone that 417 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: he is familiar with when they were in Philadelphia together. 418 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: But when asked about Josh we the first thing that 419 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,239 Speaker 1: he mentioned was his run defense. Yes, not how he 420 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: can get after opposing quarterbacks, getting the quarterback down, getting 421 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 1: those sacks, but how how good he is at setting 422 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: the edge. And my ears perked up because I know 423 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: you spent a lot of money on him. He views 424 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: himself as a three down linebacker. But it doesn't matter 425 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: what the player of views, it's what the coaching staff views. 426 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: So you spent a lot of money, So you would 427 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: expect to see Josh Witt on the field a lot, 428 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: not only on just obvious passing situations, but if he 429 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: is that good against the run, now all of a sudden, 430 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: he's not coming off the field unless you just you 431 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: need a I mean, there's not. Maybe there's not as 432 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: much of a rotation at outside linebacker as we have 433 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: seen in years past. 434 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 3: It should be noted that since Nick Rolis took over 435 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: his defensive coordinator, the Cardinals have not had an outside 436 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 3: linebacker that I think is over sixty percent of the 437 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 3: defensive snaps. 438 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: Xavin last year was fifty five percent, the highest among 439 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: outside linebackers. 440 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 3: So does Josh Weat jump that because of who he 441 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 3: is and what he can do? Or will it continue 442 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 3: to be a rotation to keep everybody fresh? I mean, 443 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: one of the reasons you want to have build up 444 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 3: your death is so you can keep moving in. I mean, 445 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: you still have Zavon who's gonna play Baron Browning who 446 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 3: they have they like and they think you can take 447 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: another step up, and you want to see what you 448 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: get from bjo JL. So does Sweat need to play 449 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 3: that much? You know? I am truly fascinated with not 450 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,239 Speaker 3: only what this defense looks like in terms of how 451 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: they deploy players schematically, but also how they deploy playing time, 452 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 3: because that's going to be unbelievable to see, like that 453 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: defensive line, what's that going to look like? But we're 454 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 3: not going to know until it looks it's all speculation, Craig. 455 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: That's what we do here on Cardinals Cover two percented 456 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: by Hundai, proudly partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Josh wet 457 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: last year, Yeah, played nearly sixty percent of the defensive snaps. 458 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: In two games, he played seventy percent or more. And 459 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: those are numbers we've not seen from an outside linebacker 460 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: here with the Arizona Cardinals. But again lately lately correct 461 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: at least understand. 462 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 3: What Jones used to do that Yeah, you're talking about under. 463 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: This now is Josh wet Chandler Jones because of ability 464 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: and you're paying a lot of money, so you don't 465 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: want that guy standing on the sideline. At the same time, 466 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: you want to make sure he's available in December and January. 467 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: But he just might be too good depending on what 468 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: else you have in that room. And we don't know 469 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: about b Jo Jolari, we don't know about Xavier Thomas, 470 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: we don't know about Jordan Birch. Do you need to 471 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: have five outside linebackers as they did a year ago, 472 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 1: or do you play a little bit of a numbers 473 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: game because you want to go heavy at defensive line 474 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: or cornerback because of the talent there, and then roster shuffling, 475 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: practice squad elevations, and you just that fifth off side 476 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: linebacker becomes more of a revolving door. 477 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 3: I don't know. I can tell you right now the 478 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 3: names you named with outside linebacker alone, I don't think 479 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 3: any of those guys are getting your practice squad. I 480 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 3: think if you cut any of them, somebody's picking them up. 481 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: Have you seen enough of Xavier Thomas? 482 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 3: I seen enough of Xavier Thomas to what to where? 483 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: If you're a team out there again? Not that I 484 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: want Zavier Thomas to go anywhere, but if you're again, 485 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: this is all part of that fun game that teams play. 486 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: Who do we think can slip through waivers and not 487 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: get claim because everyone loves their own players. How does 488 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: a how do other teams view if some of those Cardinals. 489 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 3: Players stunned if Xavier Thomas, if he were to be released, 490 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: wasn't picked up off waivers by somebody. 491 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: See I felt the same way a year ago with 492 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: Michael Carter. 493 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, but running backs can be a diamond dozen, and 494 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 3: I was surprised about Michael Carter running back to be 495 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 3: a diamond dozen. You can never have enough pass rushers. 496 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: And maybe that's. 497 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 3: Just one other teams is going to pick him up. 498 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: Please please, that's why Dave mcginnison. 499 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: Please, Daron does impressions now here. This is great? What 500 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: else daring by the way, this actually we do need 501 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: to talk about this because you wrote about on IUSA 502 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com. Dennis Kardek, according to reports, has found 503 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: a new home with the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think we 504 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: all saw the riding on the wall that he was 505 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: not going to be coming back here to the Arizona Cardinals. 506 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: But you never like to close that door. As I 507 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: look to Cody, he's still hoping Kaiser White is brought 508 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: back to the Arizona Cardinals. I hate to break it 509 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 1: to you, but it's probably not gonna happen. But Dennis 510 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: gard Deck I think he is. Before we get to 511 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: talk about him on the field, his background, how he 512 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: got to the NFL undrafted, stuck around, got a contract extension, 513 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: and turned into not just a special teams player, but 514 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: a solid pass rusher. When Chandler Jones got hurt and 515 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: all of a sudden was very successful. And now you 516 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: hope for the best for both the person and the 517 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: player in Jacksonville, because Dennis Gardick was one of those 518 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: guys that you are happy for their success even though 519 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: it might not be here in Arizona. 520 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 3: Look Dennis Gardeck. I love talking to him from jump. 521 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 3: He was completely under the radar when he showed up. 522 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: And it was such a weird season anyways, that was 523 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 3: the twenty eighteen season with Wilkes and Bruce arians was gone, 524 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 3: and you had this guy that reminded a lot of 525 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 3: people of Pat Tillman, just with the way he kind 526 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 3: of looked and the kind of the way he played 527 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 3: and he carved out It already looked like it was 528 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 3: going to be an interesting career just by doing special teams. 529 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 3: And then when Chandler Jones got hurt in twenty twenty 530 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: and Hassan Reddick had to play all the time and 531 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: they needed another outside linebacker, and they didn't play Dennis 532 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: Gardic a lot. They played him less than one hundred 533 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 3: defensive snaps that year and he got seven sacks, So 534 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 3: you know, to a lesser extent, he was Hassan Reddick 535 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 3: in terms of they tried to play him inside and 536 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 3: he was just naturally an outside guy. And that's happened 537 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: a lot here, but I think the way he connected 538 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 3: to the fan base, the way he connected in the community. 539 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: You hate to see those guys move on. It happens, 540 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: and obviously a second ACL injury doesn't help matters. But 541 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 3: he was he left an he left an imprint, like 542 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: I said, and I I have nothing but praise for 543 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 3: Dennis Gardick. 544 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: It's you. Hear Ron Wofley talk about it. Last ten 545 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: years in the NFL shouldn't lasted ten minutes. You can 546 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 1: say the same thing about Dennis Gardek, And there are 547 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: a lot of players that you can say the same 548 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: about because you can't measure them based off their measure buls, 549 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: because they play bigger, stronger, faster than what shows up 550 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: on a height, weight and what you run because of 551 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: just their want to. And if you want it bad enough, 552 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: you can be successful. And Dennis Gardik wanted it bad 553 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: enough to where he was successful, very successful. Just unfortunate 554 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: that injuries derailed his career here with the Cardinals, but 555 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: again good luck to him in Jacksonville. Another Cardinals free agent, 556 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: Tristan Cologne, according to reports, signing with the Detroit Lions, 557 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: who now all of a sudden have an opening all 558 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: that offensive line as far as what Cologne can do 559 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: as an interior offensive lineman. So I wish those guys 560 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: nothing but the best. Also, the NFL Network announcing that 561 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: twenty one games preseason games will be carried live on 562 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: the network, including a couple of Cardinals games Week two 563 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: at Denver and then Week three at home against the Raiders. 564 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: Of course, all those games locally on Arizona's family, but 565 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: this will be an interesting different preseason because this is 566 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: the time of year when we get to August that 567 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: everyone gets excited for Cardinal games because they get to 568 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: hear Ron Woofley's voice. Well, that's not going to be 569 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: happening in twenty twenty five. There will be a new 570 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: color analyst, Darren, is it you was? There's something that 571 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: happened that got announced while I was gone that I missed. 572 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: Nothing has been announced, so Pass. 573 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: Is working solo as of right now. 574 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 3: I'm sure they will have somebody next to them. You know, 575 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 3: I it would never be me, because I would fail 576 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 3: miserably in that regard. 577 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: But you've watched enough football, you know enough x's and TH's. 578 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: You could handle yourself. 579 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 3: No, I don't know, unless I could spend half my 580 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: time ripping on you and Gersh and Danny, and. 581 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: Maybe that's what we need. Maybe we need it. And 582 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: would the NFL ever allow an alternative broadcast the demanding cast? 583 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: Can we do an urban urban cast or content cast? 584 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: Can we do that where it's just like, you know. 585 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm thinking what six viewers? Seven viewers? 586 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: Maybe well all of our families and friends. 587 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 3: Oh, you'd be surprised with how little my family looks 588 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 3: at what I produce as content. 589 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: That's unfortunate. 590 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 3: The number of times I'm like, hey, did you some 591 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: my wife or my kids? Hey, did you see this? 592 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 3: And are I say, hey, did you see that such 593 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 3: and such happened with the Cardinals today at work today? Oh? Yeah, 594 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: I saw that on ESPN. I'm like, come on. 595 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: Then you get the text alert or the notification. 596 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 3: Going to get me started here, don't get me started. 597 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: I mean, we're still love. 598 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. I ask that specific question. 599 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 3: Where is the love? All right? 600 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: One piece of item? One more piece of item. I 601 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: should say, there's a possibility of seeing Darren Urban on 602 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: the road this season. And if that doesn't get you 603 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: excited at burgang I don't know what will join the 604 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: burg Gang in Dallas for Monday Night football through Cardinals 605 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: Premiere travel hosted by Cardinals Legends, not Darren. Travel packages 606 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: will include a chartered flights on the Cardinals plane. Maybe 607 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: you get to sit next to Darren, two night at 608 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: hotel accommodations, lower level game tickets and more. And there's 609 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: where I stress the more because I think maybe we 610 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: get a Q and A with at cards chatter. Can 611 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: we add to that to this read that I have 612 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: and more that you will do a. 613 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: Q and awes as a sign. 614 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 1: Q and A with at cards chatter. Place a two 615 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars per party deposit to lock in 616 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: the best price by visiting azcardstravel dot com. That's asy 617 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: car travel dot com. Darren is a man of the people. 618 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: He is always willing and able to engage the fan base, 619 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: whether that's here at State Farm Stadium or away from 620 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: the state of Arizona. 621 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 3: I am a man of the people, just not us people. 622 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: People within your own department. 623 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 3: Don't want to be too close to the sun. 624 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: Craig glad, I'm back, Darren. 625 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 3: I'm so glad you're back. There's press conferences like three 626 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: days alow next week? 627 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: That might be too much? Can I ease into Could 628 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: I just do Monday? Or could it was Tuesday? Can 629 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: I just do Tuesday and Thursday? Take that Wednesday off 630 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: that break? 631 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 3: Who talks Wednesday? 632 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: Who do you want to talk? 633 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 3: I have my ideas that Who's going to be going. 634 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: Three more media availabilities before training camp begins in late July, 635 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: and that schedule should be released soon, right, Darren, mister 636 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: content guy. 637 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 3: Over here, I would hope. 638 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: So the Pittsburgh Steelers released their uh training camp schedule. 639 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 3: I don't cover the Steelers. 640 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: No, no, no, But the joke was that potentially, now Aaron 641 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: Rodgers knows when he'll be a to show. 642 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 3: Up to work another thing I don't don't get me 643 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 3: started on. 644 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well, it's good to be back. 645 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 3: Go to bar Craig. 646 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: Wow, we're gonna wrap up on that. No, just it 647 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: was a love fest there in the middle, cutting and 648 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden just went sideways real fast. All right. 649 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: On that note, we'll put it on. This edition of 650 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai proud partner the Arizona Cardinals, 651 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: as always special thanks to our executive producer Jill mom 652 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: hendre Our associate producer Cody Fincher for Darren Urban, I'm 653 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: Craig real Lou. We will talk to you next time 654 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two.