1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of the Odd Couple podcasts. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday from seven 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: pm to ten pm Eastern four to seven Pacific on 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for The Odd 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: Couple at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple. 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: So Caleb Williams looking at I don't know what's interesting? 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: Do I say bounce back? Some people say it was 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 3: a solid rookie campaign. It wasn't that bad. There is 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: a lot to be desired still, but some people say, 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: now you're the number one pick, you're highs and choey winner. 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 4: You wanted to be better. 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 3: So he's looking to improve and now that he's got 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 3: a new head coach to Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson, sorry, 16 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: he's no longer with the Lions. I'll say the emotions, Manster, 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 3: you felt me. Yeah, he's leaving the Lions and he's 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: over there and I'm gonna need him to lead to 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: a leave the division. Oh, I know, can you go somewhere? 20 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 3: You know all the family trades, the secrets. I don't 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 3: like that Carrie, but yeah, now he has been Johnson. 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 3: It definitely an offensive genius for sure, and you saw 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: what he did with Jared Goff those years, putting him 24 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 3: crazy numbers. The offense was explosive and so therefore you 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: hope if you're the Bears or Bears fan, it carries 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: over to the Bears. 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 4: But specifically they had an idea of kind of where 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 4: they wanted to be. 29 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 3: And here's what Caleb had to say kind of his 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 3: projections and hope for this upcoming season. 31 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 5: Obviously, I have self goals, and that's you know, being 32 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 5: the first four thousand yard passer in Bear's history. That's 33 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 5: a you know, a goal of mine. Seventy percent completion 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 5: that helps the team keeps on the field, puts in 35 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 5: better positions. And then other than that, just trying to 36 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 5: go down and you know, score the most post points 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 5: that we can with these tracks that we have. So 38 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 5: you know, that's that's kind of my self goal, and 39 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 5: obviously other you know, other than that, you got to 40 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 5: go win. That's success for me, that's success for the team. 41 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 5: You know, that's all that's all we wish for and 42 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 5: all I wish for. 43 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 4: So I don't actually don't have a craze. 44 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna give you this wild screwta now you 45 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: ever say that, No, No, he's got goals. You have goals, 46 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 3: whatever that is right now professionally maybe you know, I 47 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: know you do stuff in entertainment from movies and like 48 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: we all have goals, and you should. You should reaware 49 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: in my life, you should assess where you are. I 50 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: don't have a problem. The only thing I might suggest 51 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: was you could kind of have done is keep it 52 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: in house. And the only couple of reasons why I 53 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 3: say that. Number one, I just mentioned you got a 54 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: new head coach, a new system, a new approach, and 55 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 3: I don't believe you all know what you are yet. 56 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: I don't think you know if we're going to be 57 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: a run heavy team, if we're gonna be Caleb We're lying, Hey, 58 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: Caleb man, we need you throw forty five hundred and 59 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: fifty fifty one hundred yards. You know you don't know 60 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 3: exactly what you are and you don't know what's going 61 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 3: to be winning football for your team right kind of 62 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 3: because now I don't want it to be if I'm 63 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: a part of the Bears organization where every single week 64 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: everyone's overly analyzing, well, he only threw for one hundred 65 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: and eighty which if you do the math time seventeen 66 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: weeks and you know now it's only at thirty six 67 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: hundred yards. Ha, he's not going to get those goals 68 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: seventy percent completion. It's crazy, right, that's huge. That's some 69 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: Drew Bledsoe types, Drew Brees type stuff. Not everybody does that. 70 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: You can be very successful with sixty three, sixty five, 71 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 3: sixty six if you again are making the big plays 72 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 3: when you need it. Patrick Mahomes, for example, wasn't amazing 73 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: last year with his stats, but he may key plays 74 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 3: when he needed to. To a tune of fifteen in 75 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: two and to the tune of the Super Bowl appearance, again, 76 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: do you know who won the Super Bowl? 77 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 4: That's right? 78 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 3: A guy who threw for like thirty one hundred yards 79 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: or something. A guy who wasn't throwing down three hundred 80 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: four hundred yard games all the time, but a guy 81 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 3: who uses legs effectively, a guy who managed the field 82 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: possession and who ran the ball with the best running 83 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: back in the Saquon Barkley last year. And to the 84 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: tune of the Super Bowl appearance, and I'll blowout victory. 85 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 4: So to me, there are multiple ways to. 86 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: Skin this cat, and I don't want you to apply 87 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: pressure where it's not needed. Let's find out who we are, 88 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: what we do well, what you do well, and the 89 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: focus should be getting the ball up quicker. Can we 90 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 3: get to two point two seconds? He was holding too much, 91 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: he was playing some of that. I'm just the best 92 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: player on the field in high school. I'm just the 93 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: best player in the field in college. To the tune 94 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: of a Heisman, and I can get away with that. 95 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 4: This is the prose. 96 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: And as you know, being a defensive player yourself, they fast, yes, 97 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: theay fast, not they are they vain and the defensive 98 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: linemen are fast. The offensive the linebackers are fast. Safeties 99 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: are coming at you. So you have to kind of 100 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 3: be on play, on time and in the system what 101 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: we got going now when you need to improvise, great, 102 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 3: that's what makes you special. To the tune of a 103 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: number one pick, and everyone said the best quarterback prospect 104 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: since Andrew Luck. So that's my only thing. I don't 105 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: honestly care that he has projections for himself. I think 106 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: everybody comes in and they're like, I want to be 107 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl quarterback or I want to be. 108 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 4: You know, and you can tell me I'm a dB. 109 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: I want to have four interceptions, you know, deflect ten taxes, 110 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: whatever it may be, have forty tackles. 111 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 4: I don't know, but I just wait right now, I've 112 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 4: had one hundred the first right, you know, I. 113 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: Don't want to do this right and so my last 114 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: point is just let's find out who we are. Let's 115 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: see what works best for us. We don't have to 116 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 3: do the projections allowed everybody hearing it so that now 117 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 3: it's at it fuel and it's just you know, it's 118 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 3: it's Chicago radio every week when you don't have the 119 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: numbers that will match what we said because you might 120 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: only throw sixty percent, but dang, we won by two touchdowns. 121 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 6: Right well, I think what he said was very generic, 122 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 6: right where people may take it as a hot take 123 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 6: and take it as you know, real fodder, conversation fodder. 124 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 6: But for me, all this screams to me is this 125 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 6: is the team's mindset. 126 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: Right. 127 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 6: All he sounds like to me is Ben Johnson. So 128 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 6: it seems like they had a conversation. This is what 129 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 6: is where you should be, This is where I see 130 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 6: you going and he's just echoing it. I don't think 131 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 6: he's doing too much here, obviously. I think his goals 132 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 6: are even bigger than that. Right, he didn't say I 133 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 6: want to be the best quarterback in the division. I 134 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 6: want to be appropriate. Like, he didn't say those type 135 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 6: of things. He said team goals because in theory and 136 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 6: team goals, if you pass as a team for seventy 137 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 6: percent doing pretty well, if you pass the four thousand yards, 138 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 6: that's an excellent season. Like, I don't think he's basically 139 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 6: stepping out in the limb and saying I'm this guy. 140 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 6: This just sounds like conversation he had with Ben Johnson, 141 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 6: and this is what our team needs for you to 142 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 6: be successful and for our team to be successful. So 143 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 6: I don't really take too much stock in this. I 144 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 6: know people will, and I think the beautiful part about 145 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 6: him and Caleb Williams is he can do it so 146 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 6: and we talk about him having a bad season or 147 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 6: a bounce back season. 148 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: I thought he was pretty good. 149 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 3: That's why. Yeah, depending on how you want, is the 150 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: glass half it? 151 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? Cool? 152 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, Under the circumstances with that team and the way 153 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 6: that they were organized, organized and their head coach and 154 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 6: their offense. He outperformed what he should do. So, in 155 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 6: my opinion, having been Johnson in the house with him, 156 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 6: I'm really excited to see what happened with this name. 157 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 4: The head coach cost him maybe three games easy alone. 158 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying, like, when we could I like 159 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: visibly identify you should have won that game. 160 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 7: Uh. 161 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: Then there's other ones, maybe you know the play here, 162 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: maybe back all here, but definitely there were three that 163 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: were like, bru, what were we doing here? 164 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 4: Right right? It's a win. 165 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: They could have maybe should have beat the Lions one 166 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: of those games as well, you know. Yeah, and they 167 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: had a couple and then a couple of bad breaks 168 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: and miss field go here, and some things happened defensive 169 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: back running out in the what's up party over here? 170 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: The players have to play in motion and he, you know, 171 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: he gives up that deep hell, Mary, So I had 172 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: a d had a handful of games where they were 173 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: in games better than the record will reflect. And I 174 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: do think he's probably again excited to have a Ben 175 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: Johnson in there who can see, you know, what he 176 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: can do best and draw out of him. Yeah, but 177 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: I think he I think people I think he did 178 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: well under the circumstances. And again considering you're trying to 179 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: change those habits of yo, you don't have to be superman, 180 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: And in some cases you probably can't be superman because 181 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: the way the league is stiffer. In college, seventy five 182 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: eighty five percent of those people you played against ain't 183 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: going pro, you know what I mean? Yes, they're good, Yeah, 184 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 3: but this is it. The buck stops here, this is 185 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: the last bus stop. 186 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: These are the big boys. These are the big boys. 187 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: Where that defensive lineman you like, he runs just as 188 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: fast as as you. 189 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean, if you think that you're the 190 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 6: best athlete on the field in that league, if your 191 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 6: name's not Lamar Jackson, you're you're right, You're you're playing yourself. Yeah, 192 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 6: And I think he's got that introduction already. He got 193 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 6: to see on the team where again he had to 194 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 6: learn on the fly, had to make decisions on the fly. 195 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 6: And you can tell like he wasn't confident in their 196 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 6: scheme because what you just said, right, he's trying to 197 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 6: be superman and make plays happen, not being on time. 198 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 6: But with Ben Johnson, he will be on time. 199 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 4: That's all. 200 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 6: That's what Ben Johnson about you can see it with 201 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 6: his last quarterback in Jared Golf and what he did 202 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 6: for him. 203 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: And this is the way and the way. It's why 204 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 3: I get so much. I mean, all right, I'm be alad, 205 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: don't get emotion. It's okay. 206 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 4: The way he had the offense running, man, it was 207 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 4: so good. You sound like pop pop, Hold me down, 208 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 4: a man. 209 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: The Lions were so good when it was just fun 210 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: to one. This is what I knew. You want to 211 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: know well multiple times, but you don't want to know 212 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: what I knew. Rob Parker was a hater. 213 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 4: Rob Gie. 214 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: You remember when I asked him, he was, I don't 215 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: hate the Lions. I just and I said simple questions 216 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: like he always tried to put people no answer yes 217 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 3: or no. I said, so you can say the Lions 218 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: aren't gonna win a super Bowl. And this was like 219 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: two thirds of the way through the season where I 220 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: believe this question I'm gonna ask you was very factual. 221 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 4: No one would say no. 222 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: I said, so you're trying to tell me, if nothing else, 223 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 3: the Lions aren't fun to watch. 224 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 4: He didn't. 225 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 3: He said they're not fun to watch. Remember that robbed 226 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 3: he couldn't. I saw what to lie. At least give 227 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: me it. They're they're a blast to watch. Come on, 228 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: like they're entered there. They're really funny. Of course, I mean, 229 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: if you like, lose it. If you're not gonna make 230 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: this super, I don't know what it's gonna make suit 231 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 3: Right now, Rob, I'm just saying, right now, right now, 232 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: you telling me not one of the most fun teams 233 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: watching the last few years. Yes, and he couldn't have been. 234 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, you got Jared Goff catching touchdown passes. 235 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: It's like, come on, man, at least admit that. But no, 236 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 3: I I this is but this is where it is 237 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 3: going to be interesting. On the other end, the bounce 238 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 3: back for the Lions, meaning you lose a Ben Johnson 239 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: his creativity did you keep enough in house? And and 240 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn on the defensive side of the balls, well, 241 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: who I think will get a bad rap towards the end, 242 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 3: but people will forget he lost so many starters one 243 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: hundredfensive end as well. All right, Kayleb Williams and the 244 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: procl oh real quick, forget it? How bad are the 245 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: Bears that you've never had a four thousand yard passer? 246 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: Pretty bad and this era where guys are chucking it 247 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 3: all around, teams have had multiple four thousand yard passes 248 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 3: kind of the standard if you're a good quarter but 249 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: you don't even have to be great, just if you're 250 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: a good quarterback. Yeah, to never have had that, what 251 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: the heck is wrong with your franchise? Yeah, they'll do 252 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 3: it this year. And I understand defense and running it. 253 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: And did I ever tell you about sweetness how great you? 254 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: I understand that in the eighties. Yeah, but bruh, somebody 255 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: accidentally throws for for you know, forty two hundre yard 256 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: just got hot, right, I had an eight week stretch. 257 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: You know a few of those hell marys worked something 258 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: ran into some reason that year you played you know, 259 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 3: the you played the bad Lions years when they were bad, 260 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: and maybe the Vikings weren't the greatest thing, and maybe 261 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: you got to play the Jags or AFC South or 262 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 3: something at the time and you had some bad teams 263 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: and you threw for fourrety two hundred yards. 264 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 4: My goodness. 265 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 266 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 2: the nation. 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It's gonna be the best after show podcast 291 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 7: of all time. 292 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 8: There you go, over promising, Remember you could see on YouTube, 293 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 8: but definitely join us listen over promised with Cavino and 294 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 8: Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you 295 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 8: get your podcasts. 296 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 3: One of the things I like that we'll branch out 297 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: and have some interesting conversation. I love you and I 298 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: wrap a lot off the air, and so I know 299 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: you're a guy who's you know, complex and and have 300 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: depth and can have these types of conversations as well. 301 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: I think one I wanted to have was Hawk Hogan, 302 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: who died at the age of seventy one today cardiac arrest. 303 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 3: And I found it just really interesting how people have 304 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 3: to go about their posts in twenty twenty five. Here's 305 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: what I mean. If you're around our age, you grew 306 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: up with Hawk Hogan being you're a three year old 307 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 3: running around the house, five year oldruning around the house 308 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: in your little onesies, you know, our little underwear doing 309 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: wrestling moves, watching him as the sport was taken off. 310 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: That was me, you know, walking and walking watching him. 311 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: You know, what are you gonna do when the hawks 312 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 3: comes out of you? And ripping tank tops and like 313 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 3: that era? Listen up, brother, Yeah, that era was lit 314 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: right for me. You had him and in a little 315 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: bit later Ultimate Warriors, Ultimate Warrior, Andre the Giant and 316 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 3: uh Coco Beware and I might be mixing up w 317 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: W Rick all this. 318 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 4: It was just the wrestling era to me. 319 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 3: The eighties was my was my time, you know, Junkyard Dog, 320 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: Million Dollar Man again. 321 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 4: I might be mixing up at the point, but thees 322 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 4: I enjoyed it was great. It was fun. Saturday mornings 323 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 4: were a blast. 324 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 3: Right then I jumped out pretty early, just because once 325 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 3: you realize it wasn't about twelve eleven ish for me, 326 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. And a lot of people kept going 327 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 3: and that's their thing. And we and I'm talking Rob g. 328 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 3: There were guys all age maybe five, six, seven years old, 329 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: are all in to this day, still go to WrestleManias. 330 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: You know, got their podcast dedicated to it, got the merch. 331 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: They're there. They're all in. They're locked in, which is 332 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: perfectly fine. We all have our things right. And I 333 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 3: found that people had a difficult day today because of 334 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 3: Halkogan's transgessis right. You got sex tape, you got the 335 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 3: use of the N word, you've got other stuff. Maybe 336 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 3: politically shows up to the GOP convention and he's you know, 337 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: he's out there ripping shirts then in favor of President Trump, 338 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: candidate Trump at the time, but now you know, now 339 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: president again for the second term. And I just found 340 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 3: it interesting that people had to let they were nervous 341 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: how to post because they're a fan of wrestling and 342 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: he means so much to their youth, but because of 343 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: all the other stuff over the last ten fifteen years, 344 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: they didn't know if they were to just say a 345 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: picture of him, oh man, rest in peace to the 346 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: great Hawk Hogan. And especially if they're a person of color, 347 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: especially if they were black, they knew what was coming. 348 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: What you mean the racist, what you mean to this, 349 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: what you mean to that? And there were those things. 350 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 3: There's no denying that, sure, but I found it interesting 351 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 3: that people had to press, well, this is all only 352 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: wrestler only, I'm only talking about the wrestler. Or and 353 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: was there a thing between are we in the day 354 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: and age now where we have to separate, you know, 355 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: Hawk Hogan from Terry Hogan, you know, like the character. 356 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 4: I loved him, or I was all in on you. 357 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: I love the show, I loved wrestling, I loved you know, 358 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: the reality showed effect, whatever your thing was. And I'm 359 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: not down with the him the person. And I just 360 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: found it interesting because if where are we now with sports? 361 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: Do you love Cliff Huxtable but not Bill Cosby in sports? 362 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 4: Oh you're going, I see what you're doing in sports? 363 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: It is that's not easy. 364 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 3: Some people they h you know, I rock with the Steelers, 365 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 3: but I didn't rock with Ben Roethlisberger what he did 366 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: in the you know the young lady. And so where 367 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: do you draw that line between the person and the player, 368 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 3: the person and the entertainment, the person and the musician, 369 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 3: whatever it is. And I find this and I don't. 370 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: By the way, I don't have the answer. I'll give 371 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: you a real world example for me. Okay, a lot 372 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: of people tried to come down on Michael Jackson a man. 373 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 4: For me, it beat. 374 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: It came on right now if remember the Time or thriller. 375 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: I'm a jam me too, because for me, he obviously 376 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: had the trials. 377 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 4: And do I think he was a strange dude? 378 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: Yes, but I can like separate and it's like I 379 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: no real evidence and show them anything? 380 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 9: Then? 381 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 3: Would r Kelly for me just to use these as example? 382 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: I start to hear in the music. Now that I'm older, 383 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 3: I can look back like, oh, shoot, R Kelly went 384 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: as a dangerous one. 385 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 4: He was saying. 386 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: He was saying, what the songs, Yeah for too many 387 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: in the windows and little things, and I'm like, ooh shoot, 388 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: and it hurts because he's one. 389 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 4: He was one of, you know, my favorite artists. He 390 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 4: was amazing. But that so it doesn't quite feel as 391 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 4: good for me. 392 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 3: I hear, oh, I read that line there, you know, 393 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: So show me some id and little things and it's like, ooh, 394 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: his moniker changed to the pied piper. Who would the 395 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 3: pie piper do? Play the flute? And lude kids Lord kids, 396 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 3: and just some weird stuff that I'm like, I don't feel. 397 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: So my point of saying all this is I don't 398 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: have the answers, but it was. It's amazing me to 399 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: see people nervous how to post about Hawkkan because their 400 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: youth or their fandom for wrestling. Love what he meant. 401 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: The sport blew up because he commercialized it to another level. 402 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: We wouldn't have you, Rock Stone Coach, Steve Austin under 403 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: all these massive stars without him, but they had to 404 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 3: quickly get you. 405 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 4: But I don't condone the stuff in it. I don't 406 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 4: like commedianes. 407 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: I raised it and I was like, Wow, we're at 408 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 3: the place I because of the advent of social media, 409 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: because of twenty four hour news cycles and sports shows 410 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 3: and bachel we know everything about people. 411 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 4: We talk about it. It's on your timeline. 412 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: And I think people were able to get away with 413 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: maybe being bad people back in the day, yes, and 414 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 3: we didn't know, yes, the very easy or being complex 415 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 3: people and we didn't know. 416 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, the very easy way to approach this in this 417 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 6: topic of what you're saying is don't post about it. 418 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 6: I know people want to show their adoration. I know 419 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 6: they want to be in the times with the people 420 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 6: and the masses and show their appreciation or show their 421 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 6: love for whoever it is, or show their disdain for 422 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 6: whoever it is. Right, But why does it have to 423 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 6: go on social media for people to show their appreciation 424 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 6: or disdain to anybody? 425 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 3: Right? 426 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 4: It's we live in a culture. 427 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 6: Where it's more about the person and the other person 428 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 6: on the other end of the keyboard who has a 429 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 6: chance to dispute it, refute it, or agree with it. 430 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 6: Like we're giving power to those people way too much. 431 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 6: Because if you do have an adoration for Hook Hogan 432 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 6: or Michael Jackson or whoever it is. The world doesn't 433 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 6: have to know about it. That can be your best 434 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 6: friend you talk to about it off air or off 435 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 6: off the sites, off of social media. So I think, yes, 436 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 6: it's a dangerous game while trying to do it on 437 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 6: because everything you do on somebody's going to have something 438 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 6: else to say about it, of course, And so that's 439 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 6: the dangerous game, right, Like you have to give yourself 440 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 6: and allow yourself the space to grieve and to celebrate 441 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 6: and do the things you want to on your own 442 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 6: time and on your own space and your own in 443 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 6: your own little world. Man, Because I think it's dangerous. 444 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 4: Now. 445 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 6: Nobody wants the safeguy. Nobody wants to interact with the 446 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 6: person that's always politically correct either. So it's like, okay, 447 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 6: somebody's on here looking for like somebody went on the 448 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 6: internet today and was like I'm gonna look and see 449 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 6: whoever posted about Holgan today. 450 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: Be more specific, like especially a black person like that 451 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: part if you're post yeah and they're absolutely waking up. 452 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 3: If you're a black person, you post about it on 453 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 3: your head and again you have the fair I'm talking 454 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: about personal people I know, yes on my phage and 455 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 3: timelines who are struggling, like I want to talk about 456 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: him because I'm like, I mean, wrestling nerds like I 457 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 3: get it in. Yeah, but they were all I'm gonna 458 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 3: say is he did a lot for the sport and 459 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: they kind of jumped off the postal. 460 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 4: You know. 461 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 3: Let me just say this, he took the sport to 462 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 3: another level and Harry, you know, but I ain't gonna 463 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 3: say noting else or other people were like, you know, 464 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 3: trying to do deep dive and think pieces. And again 465 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 3: he put a lot of this on himself. Yes, when 466 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 3: you have racist phone calls, when you got sex tapes 467 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: out there, when you got other things you've done, when 468 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: you start joining in the lining with the group of 469 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: people who politically a lot of people feel are mistreating people, 470 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 3: are belittling people, are disrespectful to people, and that's how 471 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 3: you've lined yourself up with them. 472 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 4: This is what you're gonna get and listen to. 473 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 6: This, Kevin, and like the thing about Hope, though two 474 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 6: of those incidents were supposedly private, and so this is 475 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 6: the other part about the legacy of us as humans, right, 476 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 6: Like everybody wants everything to be public, and when you 477 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 6: want everything to be public, there's gonna be things about people, 478 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 6: and you're the people you idolize that you don't like. 479 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 6: And that's the part, like stop fishing for the thing 480 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 6: and allow the character, allow the person to be that person, 481 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 6: to stop deep diving. 482 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: And that's where it gets complicated to me because again 483 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: I say, for instance, Babe brutes, he's so many people, 484 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 3: the greatest American athlete. He listen, we dive into some 485 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 3: Babe ruthes. So of course we're gonna be like, whoa, 486 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 3: I mean, that's Michael Jordan. 487 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 4: You know. 488 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 3: Some people, Oh he's got gambling issues some people, No, 489 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 3: he just likes to gamble a little bit, like he 490 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 3: does this. Why didn't Michael Jordan ever speak up about, 491 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: you know, black issue, like you can deep dive on 492 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 3: so many people, Tom Brady people was you know, well, 493 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 3: what's the maca hat behind you? You know, and and 494 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: other things that you know he's done and trance. So 495 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: that's my thing is that it is interesting when you're 496 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 3: an entertainer musician in this case, and an athlete slash 497 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: entertainer because wrestling, you know, he is athletic and you know, 498 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: some people think it's just drama whatever you want to 499 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: call it, when your kind of skeletons are out there, 500 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 3: your things. Now we're going to judge you. Now, we're gonna, 501 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: you know, look at you the person. But again, can 502 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 3: we love and respect or idolize or enjoy the character? 503 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 3: I think it's just a great conversation. A lot of 504 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 3: people love John Wayne. 505 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 4: He was this. 506 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 3: Then you start diving into John Wayne, You're like, right, 507 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: I don't really like what John Wayne was about exactly. 508 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 509 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 510 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 511 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 2: listen live. 512 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 3: There used to be I could be this, you could 513 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: be that. We might jab each other real how is? 514 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: How can and then we can have lunch at dinner. 515 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: Move on, now, put the gloves on, maybe go bare knuckle. 516 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 3: Let's fight like you can't if you're on that side. 517 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 3: On that side, we've lost all civility or civil discourse 518 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 3: on how I might not like this athlete, this thing, 519 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: this person, and you know we can talk about it. 520 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 4: Oh those days are long gone. All right? 521 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 3: Thank you again, everybody, You perfect guy to have on 522 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 3: for this conversation. There are reports. 523 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 4: Now that. 524 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: Out of Slovenia. By the way, we're international with this. Okay, 525 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 3: we ain't just love it. It's just ain't La just California. 526 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 3: This just ain't America. Okay, we got plugs everywhere we connected. 527 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 3: You got plugs everywhere, Okay, Slovenia a Sylvinian plug. 528 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 4: Yes, the national team there, the basketball team. 529 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 3: The reports basically that it kind of leaked out that 530 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 3: they expect Luca to re sign with the Lakers, which, 531 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 3: talking to you know, I've never envisioned a day that 532 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 3: he wasn't. But but you never know, because he lost 533 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 3: out on all that money by being trade from Dallas. 534 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: So maybe he was like, hey, after this, I can 535 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: go anywhere I want to try to, you know, restart 536 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 3: there if you will. But I was looking at it 537 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 3: like this, it's supposed to be the next four years 538 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: and thinking about it, well, what is success for Luke 539 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 3: and the Lakers in four years? What would you gauge 540 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: as successful? And for me real quick, yep, Carrie, huh, 541 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 3: you gotta give me a ring. 542 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 4: Gotta get a ring. 543 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 3: Then I'm gonna tell you why when magic got here 544 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: year one year one boom ring. When you fast forward 545 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 3: some year, blah blahh okay, by the time shack here 546 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 3: by a year? 547 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 4: What was that about? Year three? Ring? 548 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: And another one Kobe and another one, you know, exactly 549 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 3: back to back. And even Kobe when Shaq left, Galvin 550 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 3: gave him a few years three for you back at 551 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 3: it and another one you know, I mean, oh way 552 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 3: he got to the finals. They would lose to the self. 553 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you're back to the finals, so on and 554 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 3: so over. My point is Lebron comes here after but 555 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 3: year two with it two didn't Yeah, yeah, got in 556 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 3: eighteen twenty twenty, got the ring. The point is, I 557 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 3: think for Luca four years and he and and here's 558 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: the key part. He's just that good. We've seen you 559 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: drag Dallas a couple of years back now to the finals. 560 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 3: If they do their part, no it's not alone. If 561 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 3: Rob Polinka has to do his part, you bring in 562 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 3: some talent, you know, you gotta DeAndre Ayton. We'll see 563 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: if he's able to really step his game up. You know, 564 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: I don't think markus smartest part of your long term future. 565 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 3: But you know, but what's the next move if Lebron's 566 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: gone next year, what's the next move Because that's fifty 567 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 3: two mil off the books, you know, so then maybe 568 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 3: you go get a really good guy that's relatively young 569 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: that you compare with Luca and go, now you got 570 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 3: three years with that guy and see what we can do. 571 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 4: Point being, I think that's realistic. 572 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: I didn't rattle off two to three because the West 573 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 3: is crazy exactly. Yeah, but I think that's fair with 574 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 3: knowing Lebron is going to be gone, knowing there's new 575 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: opportunity to bring it into another big two to go 576 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 3: with Luca and and then filling with pieces because you'll 577 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 3: have some money and all that. I feel like getting 578 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 3: a ring would be successful for Luca. He's in He's 579 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 3: directly in that prime sweet spot now with a chip 580 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 3: on his shoulder. Yep, you're you're hookah, Doncic, you're out 581 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 3: of shape. You're this you got traded the team, you'd 582 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: buying a house in the city. You're closing on the house. 583 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: They say, nah, bruh, get out. Yep, this makes sense 584 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 3: to me. Yeah, no, you're I think you're one hundred 585 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: percent right. I mean, he has in these next four 586 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 3: years he has to win one. He's already in year eight, 587 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 3: which is just crazy to me. I know, right, yeah, 588 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: it's crazy. So time was like four, like the fifth 589 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: or so. Right, time's flying. 590 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 6: So he's like you said, drug a Dallas team to 591 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 6: the Promised Land, couldn't get it done, had some really 592 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 6: successful teams there where you know that he needed help, 593 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 6: and he still got there right in a loaded West. 594 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 6: So you go to La, you go to a team 595 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 6: now that actually has money to spend and they're going 596 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 6: to be, like you said, off of a big contract 597 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 6: next year. I think, well, Lebron, I think this is 598 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 6: it for him. It feels that it feels that way. 599 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 6: Obviously we never don't know, yea, yeah, but we feel 600 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 6: that right, and so you'll be able to assimilate some pieces. 601 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 6: It's gonna be La, It's gonna be Luca. So if 602 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 6: they if he doesn't win one in the next four years, 603 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 6: it will be a failure. And I know I know him. 604 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 6: I've seen him play for eight years. When he's motivated 605 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 6: and when somebody says he can't do something, he does it. 606 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 4: And so I'm excited to see what he does this year. 607 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 6: He looks good, he looks like he's in shape. I'm 608 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 6: I'm actually rooting for him until he played Dallas obviously, 609 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 6: but oh all y'all are of course. 610 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 4: Until now. But no, he has to win one for sure. 611 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 4: You saying that now, Well, if y'all didn't get Cooper fly, 612 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 4: you will be still Jersey. 613 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 3: No, No, because I went to I went to Dallas 614 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 3: because of Dirk. I'm a dirt guy, manzi Uh, never mind, 615 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 3: you're a Clipper fan, rob G. You're the resident Laker here. 616 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 3: I'm looking around maybe Shaye as well, but point being 617 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 3: as well. Four years, what's for you as a Laker fan. 618 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 9: Well, you got to get at least one, yeah, minimum 619 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 9: minimum in himum one, so you're saying it should be 620 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 9: multiple and for you. Honestly, I don't think people comproment 621 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 9: you guys do because you, especially carry you're a mass fan. 622 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 9: I don't think people understand how great of a start 623 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 9: Luca Dodgess is. 624 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 4: No career, it's like precedent all. 625 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 9: Time, like the greatest of the greatest players ever. 626 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 3: Honey, you might have the greatest start ever, like including Mike, 627 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: Like I mean, what he's been able to do for 628 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: the first six years of give or take him his 629 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: career absolutely. 630 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 9: Yeah, his first six years Rookie of the Year, five 631 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 9: time First Team All. 632 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 4: NBA and then what that next year goes to the finals. 633 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 6: Yes, but you still can't say it's the best because 634 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 6: he didn't win it, right, But I'm just saying individually. 635 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 4: Okay, nobody, I don't think I mean bird, right, you 636 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 4: know what I mean? 637 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 9: Like, that's crazy and for him, it's not like, you know, 638 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 9: all respect to magic. Magic showed up on a team 639 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 9: that already had the arguably the best player in the 640 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 9: league and added another number one pick. 641 00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 4: Like later. 642 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: It was loaded Jamal Jamal Wilkes, Storm and Norman Nixon, 643 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 3: uh Kareem maculd wasn't there yet, but it's somebody like 644 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 3: two years later, James Worthy, its worthy Byron Scott. 645 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 9: You had Michael Thompson coming off the bench just absolutely 646 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 9: load and that's not what Lugo came into. And he 647 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 9: immediately changed the culture, immediately made them legitimate threats. Whatever 648 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 9: you think of how good if they could have actually 649 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 9: wanted or not. So his benchmark is so much higher 650 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 9: than than what you would consider to be a normal expectation, 651 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 9: Like you expect more. It's like you talked about Lebron 652 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 9: You're like, hey, if this guy don't get at least 653 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 9: two or three, then there's something went horribly wrong. 654 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 3: And that was part of an argument or not argument actually, 655 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 3: but the conversation me and Hamon. I was just saying that, well, 656 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 3: we'll tell you more. I say, we got a good 657 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 3: shop talk coming up. Yeah, well I was going to 658 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 3: do that, we got shop talk. 659 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 4: I ain't want to do that. I don't want to 660 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 4: disrespect the talk. Save it, save it. I'll just be 661 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 4: very quick. 662 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 3: Robbgi touched on exactly what I one of the reasons 663 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 3: why when we have the who's better this person? And 664 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 3: I say, lebron is I brought it up yesterday. I 665 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 3: just don't remember anyone from after about year two and 666 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 3: a half three is the expectations were finals, except maybe 667 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 3: like magic because my hates only one. To me, We're 668 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 3: like Kobe when he had down, like the team wasn't great. 669 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: You didn't have you like, oh, they don't make it. 670 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 3: They should make it right because he's got Chris mam, 671 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 3: spush part. This person is not a great team. Robert Sakra. 672 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 3: You know, I mean, I mean, I know they catch 673 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 3: a straight sitting there. Yeah, like what I do, right, 674 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 3: but you get what I mean. And and and Jordan 675 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 3: his first seven years or so, he ain't getting past 676 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: the Celtic. He ain't getting passive pit. You didn't have 677 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 3: that expectations like no, he's gonna put up number. They'll 678 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: be fun, cute, fun, but it ain't getting chanced. Whereas Lebron, 679 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: it was like, no, dog, You're supposed to be in 680 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 3: the finals every year. And I was just like, wow, 681 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: that's a crazy expectation. And to robb GI's point, Luca's 682 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: kind of that good where you're like, uh, why are 683 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 3: you ain'ting in the finals. 684 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 4: Luca, Well, my team I know, but still why didn't 685 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 4: have anything? I know? 686 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 3: But still well so and so it is hurt, I know, 687 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 3: but still and that's that's to me one of the 688 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 3: separators when I started talking about you know, you gotta 689 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 3: we gotta, you know, thinness of hair between somebody versus 690 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 3: somebody