1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. Musicians on Call is a charity that 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: is perfectly aligned with the mission of this podcast, delivering 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: the healing power of music since nineteen ninety nine. Why 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: not become a volunteer or a supporter by going to 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Musicians on Call dot Org. 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 2: We had no neighbors, we had no TV, no the telephone. 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: If it hadn't been for the guitar, I honestly don't 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: know what I would have done with my life, and 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: it saved me. 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: This podcast is called Music Saved Me, and on each 11 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: episode we'll look at a musician, will delve into their story, 12 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: their deep connection to music. We'll talk with their fans everyday, 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: people with their own story to tell me about how 14 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: music has saved them in challenging times. I'm Lynn Hoffman, 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: your host for the Music Saved Me podcast. I'm honored 16 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: to take you on the journey of musicians and their 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: fans who can say that music saved them On this 18 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: episode of Music Saved Me. Our guest is one of 19 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: the most respected and awarded musmusicians in music. She has 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: had nineteen number one singles, including those of the Jets, 21 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: making her one of the best selling country artists of 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: all time. Now, when you can reduce a person's name 23 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: to just one word that tells you something of their stature, 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: you'll learn more of the character and resilience of Why Nona. 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show. Let's 26 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: get right into it. Tell us why is music so 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: important to you? 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: Wow, that is quite a question right out of the gate. 29 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: Thanks. 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 2: My name is my known Ellen Judd. I was born 31 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 2: Christina Claisimonela in nineteen sixty four, and I started playing 32 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: guitar when I was eight years old. I think out 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: of loneliness and feeling very different in my family. I 34 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: didn't feel like I belonged anywhere. I was a misfit, 35 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 2: and I think music saved my life in so many 36 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: ways that I still feel that today. I started playing 37 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: music because we lived in the middle of nowhere. My 38 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: mother had a thing about living out in the country. 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 2: We had no neighbors, we had no TV, no telephone. 40 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: If it hadn't been for the guitar, I honestly don't 41 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: know what I would have done with my life, and 42 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: it saved me. 43 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: So it sounds like you really knew at a young 44 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: age why music was so important to you. 45 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: Yes, it was, Joni Mitchell. Yes, nineteen. Somewhere around nineteen 46 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: seventy one or nineteen seventy two, I discovered Joni Mitchell, 47 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: and I learned every word. I learned every note. I 48 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: played the guitar and people would ask me to play 49 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: music at parties and family get togethers, and I became 50 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: known as the girl with the guitar. 51 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: So why did Joni Mitchell's music speak to you, do 52 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: you think? 53 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: I think because I was so lonesome and her voice 54 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: was so comforting to me. It was like someone in 55 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: my family speaking to me. I just felt this personal 56 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: connection with it. And to this day, Joni is one 57 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 2: of my favorite heroes of all time, and I met 58 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: her recently. We became bonded for life, and she literally 59 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: saved my life. I don't know again what would have 60 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: happened to me if it hadn't been for music. I 61 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: would have either probably been incarcerated or not alive. I 62 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: was a bit of a wild child in terms of 63 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: spirit not doing illegal activity, but I was definitely the 64 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: emotional one in the family and I had I really 65 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: felt like I had nowhere to go because I didn't 66 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: feel understood and I didn't feel like I fit in anywhere, 67 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: and music gave me a place to belong. 68 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: Yes, a sense of belonging is so important, especially when 69 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: you're young. Were there any other musicians or artists that 70 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: really resonated with you at that time. 71 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: Yes, Bonnie Rait and Linda Ronstatt, and Emmy Lou Harris, 72 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: any woman who had been through hell and sang about it. 73 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: I was drawn to them. Aretha's voice is one of 74 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: the first voices that I remember being attacked too. In 75 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: a primal way. I was taken by her voice. It 76 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: just took me somewhere, not of this world. And the 77 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: women really spoke to me more so than anyone because 78 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: of the fact that I was so young and becoming 79 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: a young woman myself. I was drawn to Linda Ronscatt. 80 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: She was beautiful, the way she sang her songs, it 81 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: was like power, of. 82 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: Course for you, especially someone growing up so isolated. I mean, 83 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: this had to have deepened your appreciation even further for music. 84 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: To the point where I didn't know what I was 85 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: going to do with my life. If I wasn't going 86 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: to be in music, I didn't want to be here. 87 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: And it was that deep was I did really well 88 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: in school and I was a good kid. I just 89 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: felt again I was so spiritually defined by the music, 90 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: and the music swept me away, and it took me. 91 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: It took me. I was fourteen years old in Marin 92 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: County outside of San Francisco, where I just got Bonnie 93 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: Rait and I just went way, way deep into Bonnie 94 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: and she saved my life. 95 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: So as you further developed your career and became a songwriter, 96 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: how did that deepen your love of music? 97 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: I think when you're born poor and you have so little, 98 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: you dream really big. And I would literally be in 99 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: the wilderness. We had no TV, no telephone, and I 100 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: would literally sit on the front porch and play my 101 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 2: guitar and I would well be watching, for instance, the 102 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: sun go down, and I wrote a song called Lazy 103 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: Country Evening, and I would just sit there and strum 104 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: the guitar or something to do. And if it wasn't 105 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: for that, I don't know what would have happened. Again, 106 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: because I was so defined by the notes that I 107 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 2: was singing as well as the notes I was playing 108 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: that it gave me an identity, and songwriting became a 109 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: way out of the reality of being with a single 110 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 2: parent on welfare. We're talking food stamps. We had so little, 111 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: we raised a garden and we wrote songs about our pets. 112 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: I remember writing a song about one of our cats 113 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: and thinking what I thought about it was a natural progression. 114 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: Well as a cat lover. Thank you. So writing songs 115 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: is a very personal thing. Did you keep you know, 116 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: with everything going on in your life at that time too, 117 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: did you keep writing those songs in private or did 118 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: you share it with the world. 119 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 3: Oh. 120 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: I never thought of sharing it with the world. It 121 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: was such a personal thing. It's almost like if you 122 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: keep a diary, you know, you think about that and 123 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: you have a lock on the diary. I remember having 124 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: a diary and with the lock. Yeah, it was very personal. 125 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: It was just a way for me an event. My 126 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: mother is very high spirited, she's a perfectionist. She's very strict. 127 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: Actually and I are very very different. Even when I 128 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: was little, I knew that we were very different from 129 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: each other, and I felt very lonely. I was a 130 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: girl that had a lot of spirit, and I didn't 131 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 2: know what to do with that spirit. So I wrote songs. 132 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: But the songs to me were so personal that I 133 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: wasn't going to share my diary with anybody. 134 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: I know that's going to be one of the hardest 135 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: things to do as a songwriter, is to share your songs. 136 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: Why have you chosen to be so transparent about the 137 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: trials and tribulations in your life? 138 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: That is a great question. I think it's who I am. 139 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: I've been this way my whole life. My mom said 140 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: I was not a good liar, and she said that 141 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 2: I always told on myself. And I think it's because 142 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: of my grandmother. My grandmother raised me with the sense 143 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: of you know, the whole thing of grandparents have a 144 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: way of guilty and shaming you into the reality of 145 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: telling on yourself and getting right with God. And I 146 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: think it had to do with that. And I think 147 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: I've been this way my whole life. And look, I 148 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: was eighteen years old when I made it, and the 149 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: fans were my family then and they are today. I 150 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: spend more time with the fans and I do most 151 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: of my family. And I think they allowed me to 152 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: be who I am in such a way that it 153 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: gave me permission to tell the truth. 154 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: You see. 155 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: It's that honesty and authenticity that connects why Nonah so 156 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: beautifully with all her fans. Check this out she. 157 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: Has an inspirational voice and her relationships and it brings 158 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: that out in the songs and the way she sings. 159 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: You know, you can tell it comes from the soul. 160 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: So why Noah? Music has always been a huge force 161 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: that has guided you through your life. Besides music, what 162 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: else guides you in life? 163 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: Wow? I'm currently looking at my baby girl. I have 164 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: a granddaughter. Her name is Khalia. Oh, and she looks 165 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: at me, and she looks right through me. You know 166 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: how kids look right through you? Yes, and they give 167 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: you a sense of hope. She's definitely very high on 168 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 2: my list of priority and the things I think about 169 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: the most, and how to be a good grandmother, that's one. 170 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: My animals they keep me honest because they don't give 171 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: a crap. Or sometimes they do give a crap and 172 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: you have to clean it up. I have animals. I 173 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: have forty animals here on the farm. Wow. We raise 174 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: a garden that's about as real as it gets. The 175 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: dirt heaps me honest, and the farm keeps me hoping 176 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: because when you grow things on the farm, it gives 177 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: you perspective that you don't get in the city. 178 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: That is true. What is your view on the power 179 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: of music and religion, or the power of music fused 180 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: with spirituality. 181 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: Well, to me, it's spirituality. I think I was raised 182 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: with the religion and I ran from it when I 183 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: was eighteen years old. I was raised very strict Baptist, 184 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: and I don't know that God is that strict in 185 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: terms of the religion part of it. So to me, 186 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: it's spirituality. There's religion and then spirituality. I think the 187 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: spirituality comes from opening yourself up so deeply to the 188 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: music and it just brings out something that you can't 189 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: get anywhere else. You know, you can't buy this stuff. 190 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: I know that show business the use of today, think 191 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: that it's a lot more, you know, available, but sometimes 192 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: you have to get really humble to do your best work. 193 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: I think the best work comes from this tour, for instance, 194 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: because it breaks me. It literally opens me wide open. 195 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: When I'm on stage and I'm singing to thousands of 196 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: fans who are singing back to me so loudly that 197 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: I literally have to take a physical step backwards because 198 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: it knocks me over and something happens in that moment 199 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: because it's so much bigger than yourself. You know, you 200 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: can't take credit for it because it's happening in spite 201 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: of yourself. You might be the starter of it, but 202 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: it certainly goes somewhere that you're not in control of, 203 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: and it just makes you go, WHOA, I am not 204 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: in control after all? I thought I was, but I'm not. 205 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: That's pretty humbling. 206 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure is. Do you visualize your fans and particular 207 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: struggles that you know they may be dealing with more so. 208 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: Than ever before. I've always been a visionary. I was 209 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 2: born with a gifting that has allowed me to visualize, 210 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: and I take very very I take it very seriously. 211 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: If it wasn't for visualization, I don't know that I 212 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: would be here today. Because there are times when I 213 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: feel absolutely like I can't do something and I will 214 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: close my eyes. I did it on the airplane the 215 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: other day, back from Mexico. I was doing a show 216 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: with Brandy Carlisle, and I was on the airplane and 217 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: I was thinking about this tour, and I was thinking 218 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: about how vulnerable I feel, and sometimes I don't feel 219 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: like I'm my best I'll be honest. I wake up 220 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: and I don't know that I'm feeling as secure or 221 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: as capable, and all of a sudden, I'll just visualize 222 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 2: myself on the stage being very capable, and you have 223 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: to do that. It's what carries you through all the 224 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: insecurities because this business is not an easy business. It 225 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: takes you away from really who you are at times. 226 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 2: You know, the professional part of it and the success 227 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: part of it. You know, that's not really who I 228 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: am authentically. I'm a farm you know. I'm a farmer 229 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: at home. And then I get my clothes packed and 230 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: I put on my undergarments and I spray my hair 231 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: with sparkles, and I go out there and I'm the 232 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: ambassador and I have to visualize otherwise I don't think 233 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: that I would be able to make it on my own. 234 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: It's such a powerful tool. Well, here's another of why 235 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: Nona's fans to prove that amazing connection between artist and 236 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: fan Wanona's music. 237 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 4: I grew up my mom listened to it on the radio, 238 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 4: So her music takes me back to like road trips, 239 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 4: and I don't know, it's just something we would sing 240 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 4: along to their's song. I know where I'm going, like, 241 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 4: I don't know. Graduating high school, I definitely thought I did. 242 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 4: I still have no idea what I'm doing. 243 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: I love that. Oh, I can't believe the time goes 244 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: so fast. Whinona. But in closing, this is specifically talking 245 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: to the musicians and songwriters and future superstars listening to 246 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: you right now on how to stay on their path 247 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: no matter what the challenge. What advice would you give 248 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: to them, especially when it comes to music saving their life. 249 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that I do that 250 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 2: helps me is I stay away from social media and 251 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: I don't compare myself to other people because that's really 252 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: easy to do, and when I compare myself to other people, 253 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 2: I get very, very very discouraged. I would say also 254 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: too that if you play an instrument, which always helps me. 255 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: Playing guitar is literally part of my body. It's just 256 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: I've been doing it for fifty years. I've been playing 257 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 2: guitar for fifty years. I would say, write songs, because 258 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: that's really about as honest as you can get. I 259 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: would say, get really honest with yourself and ask yourself 260 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: what is it that you want? You know, do you 261 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: want to be famous? And if it's that, that's going 262 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: to be quite a struggle because that changes like the weather. 263 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 2: You know, the same part comes and goes. I would say, 264 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: find somewhere authentic, whether it's church or singing in clubs. 265 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 2: If you want to get a band together and just 266 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 2: play music, play wherever you can, whether it's a county 267 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: fair or you know, on your street. I always tell 268 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: people sing and play as much as possible. And show up. 269 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: That's one of my biggest things is showing up even 270 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: at the worst day. Is I show up and I 271 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: just go from where my gut takes me. I would say, also, 272 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: following your gut, that's a huge thing for me. I 273 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: say yes and no. I go into a room and 274 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: I literally close my eyes and I sit down and 275 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: I ask myself, is this something that you really want 276 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: to do? Does it make sense? And I would say, 277 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: listen to your gut more, and let's don't let the 278 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: world define you. Never let anyone tell you who you are. 279 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: Gosh, that is so true. 280 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: Never. 281 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: My mom always used to say, don't ever let anyone 282 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: make you question your own integrity. Kind of close, but 283 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: not exactly what you said, but similar mine. And thank 284 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: you so much. It's been such a pleasure having you. 285 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: If there's a takeaway here for you musicians out there, 286 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: remember show up, play, play, play and listen to your gut. 287 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: Whona Judd, a portrait in resilience, authenticity, transparency, sharing her 288 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: bond with her audience on this episode of Music Safety. 289 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, I'm Lin Hoffman.