Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama, girl drama, girl,
Speaker 2: all about them high school queens. We'll take you for
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Speaker 2: teams drama Queens, girl, girl Fashion, but your tough girl,
Speaker 2: you could sit with us.
Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.
Speaker 3: Kate.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited that we have you because the last.
Speaker 5: Time we spoke with you, it was in the middle
Speaker 5: of the strike and he could not talk about anything
Speaker 5: that was show related.
Speaker 6: That's right, God, that's right. That's so crazy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, No, it's so fun. It was so fun
Speaker 7: to what a blast from the past. Y'all like watching
Speaker 7: you know, they were like watch episode six fifteen, and
Speaker 7: I was like, my gosh, this is crazy, and I'm
Speaker 7: like I'm my Apple TV like One Tree Hill, you know.
Speaker 7: And my husband was stoked because we weren't together, you know,
Speaker 7: when I was working on the show for the most part,
Speaker 7: so he was all about it. He was like he
Speaker 7: for the commentary, like it was super fun. So it's
Speaker 7: so great, Thank you guys for having me back.
Speaker 5: Well SONA we're gonna give you the double episode treatment.
Speaker 5: Tell her how this works, Sophia.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so because we didn't get to talk about the show.
Speaker 8: We did our twenty three questions with you, but nothing
Speaker 8: about what we were. What were we even saying? We
Speaker 8: were we calling you like Shmia. We kept doing that
Speaker 8: kind of thing, being like on that show.
Speaker 5: About hypothetically if you'd ever been on TV.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was amazing. There was a code.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, But after that, so many fans wrote in
Speaker 8: and we're like, Okay, the strike's over. Here's all of
Speaker 8: our Q and A for Kate. So we have fan
Speaker 8: Q and A for you.
Speaker 6: That sounds amazing. I love it. That's perfect.
Speaker 5: More Kate in our life. We need double trouble today.
Speaker 8: More Kate.
Speaker 4: I'm all about it.
Speaker 6: Guys. It's so good to see you. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: Well, tell us a little bit about your background as
Speaker 5: a kid, Like, were you one of these kids that
Speaker 5: did theater? Did you ever want to on TV? What
Speaker 5: led you down this dark, twisted road?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yes, I was an art kid.
Speaker 7: I was definitely an artsy kid. All I ever wanted
Speaker 7: to do was paint and draw and sing and put
Speaker 7: on plays with my cousins and my sister and I did.
Speaker 6: A bit of theater. I did like a couple of like.
Speaker 7: Kind of random acting classes, a couple of little community
Speaker 7: theater stuff, but nothing like my trajectory was music. Like
Speaker 7: my freshman year of high school, I'm fourteen years old,
Speaker 7: I started writing songs and it was like that was
Speaker 7: like I found my thing, you know, and I started
Speaker 7: playing shows and that was really my dream in life
Speaker 7: was to sign a record deal and sing my songs
Speaker 7: for people on stage. And so I never really was
Speaker 7: like that has to involve being on TV. But it
Speaker 7: was kind of an accidental detour that my career ended
Speaker 7: up taking when I auditioned for the show. Because and
Speaker 7: I think that's why I wasn't nervous when I auditioned, because.
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm not going to get this. I'm
Speaker 6: just like, yeah, I was like screwing around. I was
Speaker 6: coming through LA.
Speaker 7: I didn't even live out in La yet on tour,
Speaker 7: and I and my manager was like, Hey, if you
Speaker 7: get this, you might get to play one song on
Speaker 7: this show. And I was like sweet, like that'd because
Speaker 7: I had already signed a deal, you know, it was
Speaker 7: an indie deal I signed.
Speaker 6: You know this indie deal.
Speaker 7: So we were like grassroots in it in my parents'
Speaker 7: Toyota Siena van, like you know, like doing the thing.
Speaker 6: But we needed we needed some looks, you know, and
Speaker 6: so I was like, oh.
Speaker 7: Cool, but yeah, I it ended up being such a
Speaker 7: cool part of my story because it's storytelling, right, and
Speaker 7: I've always thought of myself as a storyteller. That's all
Speaker 7: I want to do is tell stories that help people
Speaker 7: feel like they're not the only ones who have been
Speaker 7: through something. That's what writing songs is for me. And
Speaker 7: that's also what what acting ended up becoming. So it
Speaker 7: wasn't something I necessarily planned on, but now I can't
Speaker 7: imagine not ever, you know, not not doing it.
Speaker 8: Wow. So do you feel like the trajectory you had
Speaker 8: as Mia is what actually made you want to stick
Speaker 8: with acting once the show was done? You know?
Speaker 7: I think so, I think I never I don't think
Speaker 7: I ever would have on my own. And as you
Speaker 7: guys know, like acting is not something you just like
Speaker 7: dabble in and dip your tone and you're.
Speaker 4: Like maybe like you have to be like it's you get.
Speaker 7: Told to gfy so often with auditioning, like you gotta
Speaker 7: be down to clown, like you gotta really want to
Speaker 7: do it.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard down to clown in a minute.
Speaker 3: Now, you know.
Speaker 4: We are old ladies.
Speaker 6: Seriously down the clown bogo down to clown.
Speaker 7: But for real, like it's so brutal, you know, like
Speaker 7: it's so intense, and so I don't know that I
Speaker 7: ever would have because I was so focused on the
Speaker 7: music trajectory and that is its own thing. That's also
Speaker 7: very very cutthroat and so so yeah, it was kind
Speaker 7: of like a really cool accident that I ended up
Speaker 7: doing it, But I think I ended up falling in
Speaker 7: love with it, you know, in real time, and also
Speaker 7: kind of learning how to do it in real time,
Speaker 7: if I'm being honest, like I had, I think I
Speaker 7: had enough background with theater and stuff that I got
Speaker 7: the part and they were like, oh, you're good at this,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 6: But I was very green, and like you guys.
Speaker 5: Were, we all were green when we started.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, but it was definitely like I was aware,
Speaker 7: I think when I got there, like okay, I got
Speaker 7: a fast track figuring out what I'm doing here, you know,
Speaker 7: and it was it was a definitely like a really
Speaker 7: interesting challenge.
Speaker 6: But a really fun one, and I was.
Speaker 7: Lucky to work with people who were patient and helped
Speaker 7: to tugboat me when I needed that.
Speaker 6: At the beginning, was really really.
Speaker 5: Didn't need anything.
Speaker 4: Honestly, We've worked with a lot of people.
Speaker 5: On this show, and like you didn't need help, baby,
Speaker 5: Like you were fine.
Speaker 8: You were doing well.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 7: It was really just something that I was always grateful
Speaker 7: for because we all know there was like some there's
Speaker 7: some wild stuff going on, like it was, the dynamic
Speaker 7: was weird, things were crazy, But I really was grateful that,
Speaker 7: like the end of the day, everybody was such a
Speaker 7: pro and such a friend about helping me get comfortable
Speaker 7: in this new role. And so the imposter syndrome, you
Speaker 7: know that anybody that all of us feel, I think
Speaker 7: when we start something new that's like a little unfamiliar.
Speaker 7: That didn't last as long as it might have if
Speaker 7: I wasn't with such like wonderful co stars and amazing
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 6: You guys were great.
Speaker 7: So it was at the cast of the crew, everybody
Speaker 7: was like fabulous, you know.
Speaker 5: Will you you talk about the cutthroat nature of the
Speaker 5: music music industry, and I wasn't in the music industry,
Speaker 5: but I was, you know, right next to it with MTV. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and yeah, neck deep in it at times. And we're
Speaker 5: also seeing like topical news stories now about the music
Speaker 5: industry and people being exposed for being predatory. And so
Speaker 5: when people ask me about it, they're like, did you
Speaker 5: ever have to deal with any bullshit at MTV? And
Speaker 5: I'm like, not not that, no, not really, Like it
Speaker 5: was so square compared to One Tree Hill, like you're
Speaker 5: doing like the teen drama, which is the cheesy thing,
Speaker 5: and that's what everybody expects to be really safe, and
Speaker 5: the music industry is supposed to be you know, they're
Speaker 5: gonna chew you up, kid, And so for you, you
Speaker 5: also had to walk walk that line between both industries.
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, I'm with you. I definitely. I mean, everything
Speaker 7: seems like sort of the little types, like everything seems
Speaker 7: like puppy dogs and rainbows compared to some of the
Speaker 7: predatory vibes that we were all fielding and TV show, right.
Speaker 7: But you know, I think the music industry it's interesting
Speaker 7: because I I think that there's a there was a
Speaker 7: particular type of kind of like the patriarchy abides for
Speaker 7: sure in the music business. And I feel like, but
Speaker 7: it was a different It was almost like very transparent, you.
Speaker 6: Know, whereas on our show, I felt like.
Speaker 7: It was disguised as mentorship or like I'm some garbage friendship.
Speaker 7: Weird yeah, and then you were like, wait a second,
Speaker 7: but yeah, in the music business, I was always the
Speaker 7: only girl on the tour bus, so it was me
Speaker 7: and a bunch of dudes. And very quickly it was like,
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, this is like ten fifteen years ago.
Speaker 7: Things are not what they are now. People were saying
Speaker 7: all kinds of crazy stuff. No one's worried out, like
Speaker 7: am I going to get called out? You know? But
Speaker 7: it was very it was very like people were very
Speaker 7: upfront with it. And I do feel like so I
Speaker 7: had to learn really quickly how to kind of you know,
Speaker 7: volley back something, you know, I had to.
Speaker 6: I had to learn to stand up for myself.
Speaker 7: But but it was different because it was almost just
Speaker 7: like I felt comfortable there because I because it was familiar,
Speaker 7: you know, it was a familiar kind of BS versus
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it manifests in so many different ways.
Speaker 7: So I feel like the music industry it was less
Speaker 7: difficult because it was less sort of I don't know,
Speaker 7: it was just more transparent.
Speaker 6: It was more just like, of course, you guys are
Speaker 6: all clowns.
Speaker 4: Nobody was pretending.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, one's pretending. They were all like, I'm a creep,
Speaker 7: and you're like, okay.
Speaker 5: You're thanks for telling me cool.
Speaker 6: I will not share my dressing room with you. Yeah.
Speaker 8: One of the things I think that's also very interesting
Speaker 8: about what you're saying when a dynamic is really overt, Yeah,
Speaker 8: that you should have to, but you very quickly, when
Speaker 8: you're the one woman in a room like that, you
Speaker 8: become one of the boys and you're like, oh, I'll
Speaker 8: just be equally ridiculous, and you guys will view me
Speaker 8: as like one of the dudes. Really fast, you'll get
Speaker 8: over the fact that I'm the one girl in this room,
Speaker 8: and I'll be like everybody's kid's sister. And I think
Speaker 8: as you talk about it, the thing that comes up
Speaker 8: for me is that that dynamic is harder when people
Speaker 8: are less overtly like jokey and gross, Because when someone
Speaker 8: is saying they want to be your mentor, or they
Speaker 8: want to help you learn how to do your work,
Speaker 8: or you know, make sure they're always available to answer
Speaker 8: all to support you, you're like what's happening here? Yeah,
Speaker 8: and why are you calling at these hours? And is
Speaker 8: it because you're nice or is it because you're gross?
Speaker 8: Because like, unfortunately the guy over there making the dick
Speaker 8: joke I know, is just gross like and so yeah,
Speaker 8: the the kind of machinations of what we dealing with,
Speaker 8: and particularly when you arrived because Creditor.
Speaker 4: Had six years a tornado learn how.
Speaker 8: To be worse that that I think was really tough.
Speaker 8: And you Yeah, A, I'm so glad you had all
Speaker 8: of us, and B I'm so glad you knew you
Speaker 8: had all of us. And see even just observing you,
Speaker 8: you handled yourself with so much grace.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 7: That means a lot, it does It was it was
Speaker 7: so wild, like I also think, yeah, to your point,
Speaker 7: like when I think about it in the music space,
Speaker 7: I was the boss, this is my tour. I'm Kate Vogel,
Speaker 7: I am the one paying you to play guitar in
Speaker 7: my band.
Speaker 8: Such a different power dynamic.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're gonna go try and sleep with a bunch
Speaker 7: of my fans and be a creep to my cute
Speaker 7: fans who came here, you know, and you're gonna be
Speaker 7: gross and like cheat on your wife and like, you
Speaker 7: know whatever, Like I saw it all. It was like
Speaker 7: so brutal, but whatever, You're just like they were just shameless,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 6: And so you were like, okay, whatever do you. I'm
Speaker 6: not here to judge. I don't know. Maybe your wife
Speaker 6: is dude doing her own thing.
Speaker 5: I've being sex with the lawn guy, you know what.
Speaker 6: To each their own.
Speaker 4: Absolutely she did. I hope she did. I sure do
Speaker 4: hope she did.
Speaker 6: But you know, it was like, I'm paying you at
Speaker 6: the end of the day, and I can tell you
Speaker 6: to get lost.
Speaker 7: If I want to on our show. It was like, okay,
Speaker 7: this is the first time. That's the first time I've
Speaker 7: ever really like worked for somebody else, which is a
Speaker 7: huge privilege to say. But I started. I started, you know,
Speaker 7: I made my first buck sing in a coffee house
Speaker 7: at fifteen years old. So I was like, whoa, this
Speaker 7: is a different dynamic and this person. And I'm also like,
Speaker 7: I'm from Ohio. I'm a very trusting person. I just
Speaker 7: think everybody's nice. And so I'm like, oh, you know what, Wow,
Speaker 7: how cool that you want to like help me navigate
Speaker 7: this career and mentor me And like, oh, and you're
Speaker 7: such a hang. You're a friend, you know, and then
Speaker 7: you're like, uh oh, like maybe this is.
Speaker 6: Maybe this is it's a little weird, you know, but
Speaker 6: this isn't what I thought it was. Yeah, totally, and
Speaker 6: that that part's wild.
Speaker 5: How does that affect your songwriting? Because if you're writing
Speaker 5: songs at fourteen years old, pre any of this like
Speaker 5: crazy experience, Yeah, and then these songs are the ones
Speaker 5: that are getting you signed, they're taking you out on tour.
Speaker 5: These are the songs that you're singing. But then you
Speaker 5: have to deliver more music as you're living this unfolding
Speaker 5: horror show. How do you go from your like fourteen
Speaker 5: year old sweet girl songs to men are awful?
Speaker 4: It's you know that.
Speaker 7: I think that's and I'm sure you guys can relate
Speaker 7: your artists, right, Your writers like your inspiration, your muse,
Speaker 7: the things that inspire you to make your art change
Speaker 7: and evolve over time.
Speaker 6: They have to write otherwise you're going to get stuck.
Speaker 7: And I think for me, when I was fourteen, a
Speaker 7: boy ignoring me who I thought was like obsessed with me,
Speaker 7: but it turns out like I did not understand that
Speaker 7: he's just not that into situation.
Speaker 4: And he was not he was he was just being cool.
Speaker 6: He was later, but you know it's fine. He it
Speaker 6: was like that was the biggest deal in the world
Speaker 6: to me, right, and that was like that was.
Speaker 7: The soul crushing thing at the time. So the songs
Speaker 7: that came from that situation were genuinely I was pouring
Speaker 7: my heart, you know, into the into the song, into
Speaker 7: the recording. And then I think you get older and
Speaker 7: like shit hits the fan a little and life is like,
Speaker 7: guess what, There's some more complication things that happen than
Speaker 7: just this guy, you know, being a fourteen year old.
Speaker 7: You know, like whatever bonehead kit.
Speaker 5: Now he's forty, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: Now it's your boss, and it's like you know what
Speaker 7: I mean and what you.
Speaker 6: Take that and you use that and say this is
Speaker 6: a curveball.
Speaker 4: Didn't expect this one.
Speaker 7: But it helps you, you know, it helped you use
Speaker 7: your art to process that and to you know, create
Speaker 7: something that hopefully we'll speak to somebody else for a
Speaker 7: second who's been through something.
Speaker 6: And even if it's not something similar.
Speaker 7: You know, people people sing my songs back to me
Speaker 7: at my shows for their own reasons, and I don't
Speaker 7: ever want to tell them what those reasons should be,
Speaker 7: like you can get whatever, like you know.
Speaker 4: What I mean.
Speaker 7: I think there's Dave Grohl like always talks about that
Speaker 7: and I love that, like you write it from your
Speaker 7: own stuff, you know, And I mean there are songs
Speaker 7: that like during that time, like, yeah, it came from
Speaker 7: depths I didn't know I had because I was in
Speaker 7: unprecedented situations.
Speaker 6: But but that's what's really beautiful about you know.
Speaker 7: I don't think all art has to come from a
Speaker 7: tortured place, but but sometimes it does. And sometimes that
Speaker 7: that's you know, the best thing you can do with
Speaker 7: that situation.
Speaker 8: Well, I think that's such an important reminder and it's
Speaker 8: something that has been really special to me to be
Speaker 8: able to do, like with all of us goals, especially
Speaker 8: doing this show. Yeah, the fact that we get to
Speaker 8: talk about the reality is like life is a mix
Speaker 8: of all the ups and downs and even our experience like, yeah,
Speaker 8: we had incredible times, We had so much joy, We
Speaker 8: had so much fun, and we had these times and
Speaker 8: moments and weeks and experiences that we shouldn't have had
Speaker 8: to deal with. And sure, I think we have this
Speaker 8: thing and I don't know, maybe it's because we all
Speaker 8: grew up with fairy tales and cartoons where we're like, oh,
Speaker 8: when something's bad, it's evil, and when something's good, it's
Speaker 8: sunshine and roses. And it's like, well, actually life is
Speaker 8: super complicated, and I don't know, it was such a
Speaker 8: it was like a fun moment that made me also
Speaker 8: a little emotional, like really just enjoying catching up on
Speaker 8: these episodes and really watching your storyline knowing you were
Speaker 8: coming to hang with us today, and I was like, God,
Speaker 8: we were so lucky, and God we dealt with a
Speaker 8: bunch of we shouldn't have to. And it it's the both,
Speaker 8: and you know, yep.
Speaker 6: The both, And that's exactly what I was just going
Speaker 6: to say.
Speaker 7: It's so true, like the both, and but so much
Speaker 7: of life is, you know, and that's that's kind of
Speaker 7: what you learn to navigate and and it really it
Speaker 7: helps to have a community and people who are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 7: I've been there too, Whether it's people who genuinely were
Speaker 7: right there next to me like you guys, you know,
Speaker 7: or it's people who will live that in their own way.
Speaker 7: And that's what that's a human part of it, where
Speaker 7: we're all like, wow, dude, this is wild.
Speaker 5: You know, Apparently there's a lot of tyrants out there.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize how many tyrants are just out there
Speaker 5: roaming around making people's life. Hell.
Speaker 8: Well, you just start to realize that, like a lot
Speaker 8: of people really do get drunk on power and they
Speaker 8: they're just not that original, So they all kind of
Speaker 8: wind up committing a lot of the same sins, and
Speaker 8: you're like, huh, maybe really, if the women were in charge,
Speaker 8: things would be cooler and safer.
Speaker 7: Genuinely, Yeah, it's so unoriginal. That's what I'm always like, Man, Wow,
Speaker 7: but I come up with something new.
Speaker 9: Kicks Kicks.
Speaker 8: I actually do have a question about the songwriting, because
Speaker 8: that's not my spiritual gift, and so I just don't
Speaker 8: understand how you do it. And Hillary, you kind of
Speaker 8: started to touch on this, but not only Kate. Were
Speaker 8: you in that season of your life where so much
Speaker 8: of your first record was made up of all the
Speaker 8: years you'd lived until then, but you were starting on
Speaker 8: the show, you were starting to be an actor, you
Speaker 8: were going on tours, and everybody always talks about how
Speaker 8: stressful it is for artists to make their sophomore album.
Speaker 8: Did being on a show add to that fear of like, oh,
Speaker 8: I'm just going through new things and I have to
Speaker 8: somehow write about them, And now I have to figure
Speaker 8: out how to write music about all of this in
Speaker 8: like the few off hours I have from a TV
Speaker 8: show or was being in such a new world that
Speaker 8: was so all consuming, like good for you in terms
Speaker 8: of material and creativity, Like did it help or did
Speaker 8: it hurt with that sort of stress?
Speaker 6: Hmmm, that's such a good question. I think it's another both.
Speaker 7: And you know, I think that I definitely can relate
Speaker 7: to the pressure that comes with, you know, not just
Speaker 7: a sophomore album, but just in general. I think once
Speaker 7: you get what you want, you know, and once you
Speaker 7: get the part, once you get signed to the record deal,
Speaker 7: you know, the thing that's been your kind of north
Speaker 7: star all of a sudden. And I've always been someone
Speaker 7: who's put a ton of pressure on myself for you know,
Speaker 7: really trivial things, but this was all of a sudden, like,
Speaker 7: oh my god, now I have to like make music
Speaker 7: that makes all these people happy. And it's not just
Speaker 7: about processing my you know struggle with this guy or
Speaker 7: this you know, this boyfriend from high school anymore. Now
Speaker 7: it's about making my record LI happy too, and the
Speaker 7: radio lady wants to hit song and so all of
Speaker 7: that pressure is there. But then, yeah, then I.
Speaker 6: Was so busy. I mean, I like lived, you know.
Speaker 7: That's why I I literally lived in like the Hilton Hotel.
Speaker 6: Or whatever it is, Wilmington, the River, Oh, the river seats.
Speaker 6: What a time, guys, what a time?
Speaker 4: Like I lived there.
Speaker 7: And when I wasn't living there, I was living on
Speaker 7: a tour bus or you know, in hotel rooms like
Speaker 7: playing shows, and it was like constant.
Speaker 6: And I do think that part.
Speaker 7: Of that busyness was good because and there was necessity, right,
Speaker 7: It was like, I have this amazing opportunity to play
Speaker 7: my music on this show, which has, you know a
Speaker 7: lot of complexities and stuff, but it has there's a
Speaker 7: lot of great things about the community and the people
Speaker 7: on this show as well, and the fans are so
Speaker 7: wonderful and so okay, Like it's a project and this
Speaker 7: is this is what I have to do, you know,
Speaker 7: I have to to write this. And I didn't have
Speaker 7: any shortage of inspiration because I left college. I went
Speaker 7: to a year of college just to be a normal person.
Speaker 4: Sophia, and I did that too. We did what we
Speaker 4: did two years of college. We were like three, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're dropouts to baby oops. Oh honey, best thing I
Speaker 4: ever did.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Hillary knows this, but Kate, you don't. I actually
Speaker 8: sat down right before I went in and did my
Speaker 8: final test for our show with my collegiate advisor, and
Speaker 8: I was like, I don't know, any It's my senior
Speaker 8: year in college. I'm never going to get this back.
Speaker 8: Maybe I shouldn't do this, Maybe I should just give
Speaker 8: myself one more year. And my sweet advisor, who I'd
Speaker 8: never heard swear, looked at me and when are you
Speaker 8: out of your fucking mind that? I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 8: maybe is this Like this is like a big deal.
Speaker 8: And she was like, this is a very big deal.
Speaker 8: Go pursue your dreams.
Speaker 6: What a badass.
Speaker 4: That's awesome.
Speaker 8: A badass, I know. What a dummy. I was like,
Speaker 8: they're the only going to be like one more winter formal?
Speaker 8: What well?
Speaker 4: But you know, but I love that about you.
Speaker 10: I felt the same way, though, like I I had
Speaker 10: this desire to just like make friends and go to
Speaker 10: a formal with my college boyfriend and like be a kid,
Speaker 10: you know, be just just.
Speaker 4: Discover stuff and it was.
Speaker 7: It was like one of those things where I had
Speaker 7: and it was a hard decision for me too, Like
Speaker 7: I agonized agonized over the decision, you know, yeah, because
Speaker 7: it was like it was sort of it's like taking
Speaker 7: your arm off one monkey bar and not no, Like
Speaker 7: I'm like, I don't know if.
Speaker 4: This show, you know, I thought.
Speaker 7: My manager was like, you're only going to be on
Speaker 7: like one episode and you're going to play a song.
Speaker 7: But it was also like I had already. I had
Speaker 7: made my first album while I was still a full
Speaker 7: time student in Ohio.
Speaker 6: I just kept flying back. It was crazy.
Speaker 7: So I was like, it's time, this is you know,
Speaker 7: my dream. I got to do it, but it was hard.
Speaker 7: I I broke off my first serious relationship, you know,
Speaker 7: I I left my friends, and I you know, I
Speaker 7: think that that that and then three months later I
Speaker 7: got the job on the show. So it was like
Speaker 7: so much new stuff, so much material for that second
Speaker 7: album was coming at me left and right, and so
Speaker 7: it was there and it was organic.
Speaker 6: But so I do think it.
Speaker 7: Helped to have just like if you want to play
Speaker 7: these songs on a future episode of this show that
Speaker 7: you're on, you got to finish the songs and also
Speaker 7: you know, and also it was hard because it was
Speaker 7: a lot at once and everything everywhere all at once, emotions,
Speaker 7: you know, great, bad, weird, scary, screepy, you know everything, Arah.
Speaker 6: But sometimes you make you know, you make great art.
Speaker 7: From that, and so it was, uh, yeah, it was
Speaker 7: cool to be able to sort of have an opportunity
Speaker 7: to figure out how to mix all of that on
Speaker 7: a deadline.
Speaker 6: I love a deadline.
Speaker 5: Well, how much did you talk to your family about
Speaker 5: what was going on? Because I just I mean, on
Speaker 5: our text thread, we've all been watching Quiet on set,
Speaker 5: you know, and those are young kids, and so we
Speaker 5: were just right on the other side of it, you know,
Speaker 5: like you were, what nineteen, you turned twenty, yeah, while
Speaker 5: you were there, Like Sophie and I were twenty when
Speaker 5: we started.
Speaker 4: You just write on the other side of that legal line.
Speaker 5: And yeah, the checking in with the parents kind of
Speaker 5: stops because you're like, well, I don't want my parents
Speaker 5: to know I was out to one, you know, I
Speaker 5: don't want my parents to know that I went to
Speaker 5: my boyfriend's apartment.
Speaker 4: Things like that.
Speaker 5: And so for your parents who have heard you writing
Speaker 5: these lyrics as like a fourteen year old and can
Speaker 5: probably easily decipher them. You know, were they aware of
Speaker 5: what you were going through in this brand new situation?
Speaker 4: Such a good question.
Speaker 6: They they were, overall, they were.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I had a lot of friends
Speaker 7: with whom I could like really discuss some of the
Speaker 7: more you know, the sordid details of text messages I
Speaker 7: was receiving that my parents weren't necessarily going to be
Speaker 7: an audience for.
Speaker 6: But they, my parents are like two of my best
Speaker 6: friends still.
Speaker 7: They are amazing people who supported me so much in
Speaker 7: my desire to do something in a crazy unknown business,
Speaker 7: you know, coming from no one in my family ever
Speaker 7: was in the entertainment business.
Speaker 6: No one knew what we were getting into.
Speaker 7: They were so steadfast and supportive and not hovering.
Speaker 6: But they really I give them.
Speaker 7: Just so much credit for like being there for me
Speaker 7: and hearing me and checking in but not being helicopter
Speaker 7: parents about it, letting me be an adult. Like my
Speaker 7: mom and I went through a lot of that stuff
Speaker 7: of like sleeping at my boyfriend's house, drinking like all
Speaker 7: that during my freshman year of college. Like that was
Speaker 7: when it was like we had fights about like you know,
Speaker 7: why you were you were drunk when you came home
Speaker 7: for the weekend. You never drank in high school. It's
Speaker 7: a really good kid in high school. Like I was
Speaker 7: a total nerd.
Speaker 6: So my mom was like, what is happening, Like, Kate
Speaker 6: came home drunk, Kate has a boyfriend, she's sleeping.
Speaker 5: Even imagine a young drunk Kate vocal.
Speaker 4: You were so responsible all the time.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure all of you saw a young drunk
Speaker 7: Kate Vogel Street like multiple times.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I was probably drunk or older together.
Speaker 6: We were all together. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, it was
Speaker 6: great though.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, because okay, so you had a very mini
Speaker 5: season of rebellion. But then yeah, you didn't have to
Speaker 5: hide anything after that.
Speaker 4: I suppose. No.
Speaker 7: It was very much like I mean, it's one thing
Speaker 7: that you know, we don't have kids, but I am
Speaker 7: so like if I ever did you know, if I
Speaker 7: ever was a parent, or I was an aunt or
Speaker 7: I'm a godmother, you know, like I'm so admire the
Speaker 7: way my parents really like we had that. And then
Speaker 7: they really were like, Okay, I want to be in
Speaker 7: your life. I want to be your friend, but I
Speaker 7: want to be your you know, I want to be
Speaker 7: your family first of all. But like they really met
Speaker 7: me where I was and they were like, Okay, Kate's
Speaker 7: going through this stuff. That's crazy and that probably isn't
Speaker 7: what we expected. But like they just did such a
Speaker 7: great job of showing up for me, letting me sort
Speaker 7: of process it and handle it like an adult, but
Speaker 7: also being there for support if I needed it, which
Speaker 7: I really think that was a big reason why you
Speaker 7: know it it didn't. I mean, it affected me very much.
Speaker 7: I mean, as you guys know, but I think it
Speaker 7: really helped to help me navigate it, you know, to make.
Speaker 8: It easier, to make it more manageable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Antwine and I have talked about him trying to
Speaker 5: intervene in situations with you. I think he was always
Speaker 5: worried about all of us, Like there was.
Speaker 6: He's such a sweet, sweet man, you know, and.
Speaker 5: Twine is a flirt Antwine can like get out there
Speaker 5: on the dance floor with the best of them and
Speaker 5: be like, you know, a good time. But he took
Speaker 5: protecting the girls of our show very very seriously and
Speaker 5: was you know, for as much as those girls can be.
Speaker 4: Like we were worried about, he was worried about you.
Speaker 5: I think you're the same age as like one of
Speaker 5: his kids.
Speaker 8: That's what I was gonna say. You know, it's like
Speaker 8: you got to remember that even when we first started
Speaker 8: on the show, Antoine had kids, Like yeah, he's he's
Speaker 8: definitely the coolest, most fun dad any of us knows.
Speaker 8: But like, make no mistake, he also showed up as
Speaker 8: a dad and he was like those are my girls.
Speaker 8: And I love I really love and cherish that he
Speaker 8: did that and still does that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he is, he's so wonderful.
Speaker 7: He's just yeah, it's really it's true that I think
Speaker 7: it had to be a wild experience for somebody like
Speaker 7: him and a lot of the guys, because you know,
Speaker 7: there's so much of.
Speaker 6: Like how do you?
Speaker 4: What are you supposed to do?
Speaker 6: You know, how are you?
Speaker 7: And I've I've talked to you know, friends of all
Speaker 7: of ours, you know, guys from.
Speaker 6: The show where they're like none almost knew how to
Speaker 6: handle this either, you know.
Speaker 7: And and I love that he'll I remember you telling
Speaker 7: me that Antoine. You and Antoine had like a great
Speaker 7: chat about many great chats and stuff. But he's he's
Speaker 7: such a treasure, Like it's it's really encouraging to know,
Speaker 7: you know, even in retrospect, just like that people were
Speaker 7: looking out, you know, and our friends were looking out.
Speaker 5: And even when you don't even notice they're looking out.
Speaker 5: That's a nice feeling, is to learn about it later
Speaker 5: and be like, oh god, I knew that felt weird.
Speaker 5: I'm so glad you picked up on it. But then
Speaker 5: you didn't make it like a big deal that.
Speaker 6: You were just sort of like you didn't make it
Speaker 6: a thing.
Speaker 5: I'll sit on this couch until two thirty in the
Speaker 5: morning until everything's cool, yeah, and then I will go home.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So it's truly, yeah, it is.
Speaker 7: It's wild stuff that like just that they were privy
Speaker 7: to that, because it can be really easy not to
Speaker 7: be and you know, or somebody says, hey, I got this,
Speaker 7: it's fine, you know, and it would be really it
Speaker 7: would have been really easy for them to be like, oh,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 6: It's fine, I'm I'm I'll just go home, you know.
Speaker 4: But it is, it's.
Speaker 7: Really that is so like it's it's encouraging to hear that,
Speaker 7: and it's really like it's just like a remarkable thing
Speaker 7: in like years later to be like, oh, wow, that's
Speaker 7: cool that you were looking out you know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know what I think is really interesting about
Speaker 8: that when you think about Antoine, when you think about
Speaker 8: you know, all of our all of our guys, like
Speaker 8: you think about Grubs, you think about Tyler, both of
Speaker 8: whom you've worked with, Like, yeah, the length and the
Speaker 8: lastingness you think of so many of these friendships, you know,
Speaker 8: like the way we just are able to kind of
Speaker 8: dive back in and in the ways that we I
Speaker 8: think had to learn about how to navigate all of
Speaker 8: this realizing that they were trying to do the same
Speaker 8: that they were trying to figure out, like what to
Speaker 8: do with all of you know, the energy and also
Speaker 8: how to like stick around? Do you in your music
Speaker 8: like having worked with so many of the musical boys
Speaker 8: from the show now and like even your new project
Speaker 8: with Grubs, do you kind of feel like Kid's sister Slash?
Speaker 8: Like are you also the boss because you are such
Speaker 8: a responsible woman that you actually get these boys to
Speaker 8: like show up at the studio on time?
Speaker 4: Like what is that?
Speaker 8: What is the evolution of like the good things that
Speaker 8: we've held on too from these relationships? How how does
Speaker 8: that influence things for you? Now? Having continued to work
Speaker 8: with so many of our people, not only as an
Speaker 8: actor but as a musician.
Speaker 6: It's such a good question.
Speaker 8: I think I just actually stole it. It's sort of
Speaker 8: a Q and A. I sort of realized I stole
Speaker 8: this question from this girl, Meg, So sorry, Meg, I
Speaker 8: stole yours. But then I added to it and this
Speaker 8: will be a segue and it's a yes and a both,
Speaker 8: and we're going to get into the fan Q and A.
Speaker 8: You know they're all listening, like you guys, Jesus ask
Speaker 8: our questions please. They sent a lot.
Speaker 4: No, that's so awesome.
Speaker 7: I like, yeah, I it has been such a gift
Speaker 7: to like, creative collaboration is such a wonderful thing when
Speaker 7: it works right, like as you guys know, working on
Speaker 7: this this.
Speaker 6: Podcast together, like it's just it's just something that and
Speaker 6: you don't always get the.
Speaker 7: You don't always get the magic formula of being good
Speaker 7: friends with somebody and also creatively collaborating well with them,
Speaker 7: Like I have tried to write songs with people who
Speaker 7: are good friends of mine who I'm just like, this
Speaker 7: is not working. It's like a relationship where you're like
Speaker 7: you made out once and you're like, m mmm, this
Speaker 7: is nice. There's sparks flying, you know. But it's been
Speaker 7: such a gift to collaborate with people who like Grubs
Speaker 7: is one of and Tyler as well, but like Grubs
Speaker 7: with this new band. We have a new band called
Speaker 7: Your Future Ghost. For anyone who who hasn't who hasn't
Speaker 7: heard about it, Yeah, it's been, Oh my god, it's
Speaker 7: been beyond fun. And it's like he is one of
Speaker 7: the only people on the planet, one of very few
Speaker 7: people on the planet who can relate like literally and
Speaker 7: understand the extremely specific nuances of the experiences I've had
Speaker 7: in my life that brought me here to where I
Speaker 7: am now. You are to those people as well, you know.
Speaker 7: But like making music with somebody who's also a musician,
Speaker 7: who is one of us, is wildly powerful. Like it
Speaker 7: is so like creatively, there's such a just an intangible
Speaker 7: magic that has to be there. And you don't have
Speaker 7: to have been friends for years and have worked together
Speaker 7: on a show that has some crazy layered experiences with creditors.
Speaker 4: You don't have to have that.
Speaker 6: But sometimes that shared experience, you know, allows you to
Speaker 6: open yourself up in a way and be vulnerable creatively
Speaker 6: and in a human sense.
Speaker 7: That you wouldn't be able to otherwise necessarily on your
Speaker 7: own even or you know, and that's the thing, like, well.
Speaker 4: It's validating when you have someone else that says it.
Speaker 8: And you can be your whole self exactly.
Speaker 6: You can be your whole self.
Speaker 7: You can make jokes that you know, like there's certain
Speaker 7: there's just certain things that like it's like speaking your
Speaker 7: own like my little sister and I have this with
Speaker 7: our own stuff where you you speak a language that
Speaker 7: other people are like, why is this funny? You know?
Speaker 7: I feel like I have that very much with Grubs
Speaker 7: in this band creatively and Tyler and I you know
Speaker 7: as well, Like I've loved touring with him so much
Speaker 7: over the years. We've written songs together and collaborated, Like
Speaker 7: there's just a special magic that I think exists. Sometimes
Speaker 7: you just get really lucky and that that's definitely that's
Speaker 7: definitely been there for us. It's been really really fun
Speaker 7: and and it was so cool to like tell people
Speaker 7: about this band after having it for years and keeping
Speaker 7: it a secret on your show.
Speaker 6: That was like really special, like the One Tree Hill fam.
Speaker 5: What's your favorite song though that you two have written together?
Speaker 5: Because I didn't know grubs. He came in after I left.
Speaker 6: That's right. Oh my god, that's right.
Speaker 4: I only met him at a convention. I was like,
Speaker 4: this guy seems nice.
Speaker 8: Who's that's right?
Speaker 6: Oh, you guys are like so cut from the same cloth.
Speaker 7: He yeah, he is like beyond cool and just you know,
Speaker 7: wildly talented, but also just such like such a hang
Speaker 7: you know, somebody you immediately just feel like comfortable with.
Speaker 6: Who's funny. And I mean you're like that, like you
Speaker 6: guys are very much you know.
Speaker 4: No, he feels easy to be around.
Speaker 6: He is, Yeah, he is. He's very easy to be around.
Speaker 7: And he's very like he feels things deeply and he's
Speaker 7: he's he's just such a good friend, you know. He
Speaker 7: really shows up for people and and we man. The
Speaker 7: favorite song is we have a single coming out on
Speaker 7: May seventeenth.
Speaker 4: Oh heard it here first.
Speaker 7: Yes, it's it's called the Only One, And it's like
Speaker 7: it's like our little like it's kind of like a
Speaker 7: love song. Like the band is very fun, it's very
Speaker 7: dirty indie rock, but this is like our love song
Speaker 7: moment kind of so it's very appropriate. I feel like
Speaker 7: one Tree Hill fans will will love the whole album.
Speaker 7: But this song is definitely one that I feel like
Speaker 7: people are gonna.
Speaker 6: Be excited about.
Speaker 7: So that drops in a little over a month, and
Speaker 7: I think both I think Grubs and I are both
Speaker 7: gonna be in Wilmington that weekend, so it because it's
Speaker 7: gonna be a love fans.
Speaker 4: Oh you're going, and that's gonna be fun. One Tree
Speaker 4: Hill fans love love.
Speaker 7: They love love. We all love love. Yeah, So that
Speaker 7: one right now is my favorite. But then I'm sure,
Speaker 7: I think we're gonna drop the album in June, so
Speaker 7: then I'm sure i'll have it. I'll be onto a
Speaker 7: new one by then. But that's what's fun about, you know,
Speaker 7: being a creative is I think that you're kinda your
Speaker 7: your current inspiration is always changing, and then your favorite
Speaker 7: thing that you created is always changing, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 7: and that kind of is what keeps it fresh or something.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but it's, uh, it's been.
Speaker 7: It's been really cool, like so much fun to to
Speaker 7: be making something with somebody who who knows all the
Speaker 7: ins and outs of all all the craziest stuff, you know,
Speaker 7: in my life.
Speaker 6: That's that's really a gift.
Speaker 5: Did you guys work together on the show I'm sorry
Speaker 5: that I don't know.
Speaker 4: We did.
Speaker 7: Yes, I totally just realized that he For some reason,
Speaker 7: I was thinking he came in in the middle of
Speaker 7: season six, but it was seven, and so yeah, we did.
Speaker 7: He was another recording artist I think on Red Bedroom records,
Speaker 7: and he was a bartender.
Speaker 6: I should are the trick well, I mean, you know
Speaker 6: it is. It was?
Speaker 7: It was. I mean, man, I had to brush up.
Speaker 7: I had to be like, Okay, did you do your
Speaker 7: Homework's going on?
Speaker 4: Now that we could talk about it. I did my homework.
Speaker 7: Yes, I did, because I was like, I can't come
Speaker 7: in here like not knowing you know, what's going on
Speaker 7: in these other storylines.
Speaker 6: You know, I can't just be someone who knew what
Speaker 6: was going on with Mia.
Speaker 5: Listen, your storyline was cuter than I love the trajectory
Speaker 5: of Mia, and when we talk about the episode, we'll
Speaker 5: get into the chase of it all. But Ellie has
Speaker 5: a question and I want to know this too. So
Speaker 5: where we are right now now? You've spoken about perspectives
Speaker 5: changing as we've gotten older, So like you are an older,
Speaker 5: wiser woman in the writer's room right now. Sure, what
Speaker 5: storyline do you want for MEA like, what would you
Speaker 5: have liked to see me?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 6: I love that question? I think, you know, I would
Speaker 6: have loved to see I loved that.
Speaker 7: Mia ended up, you know, taking on more of a
Speaker 7: leadership role within the record label, you know, after Peyton
Speaker 7: left and stuff like that was really cool. I think
Speaker 7: I would have liked to see like more of that
Speaker 7: of her developing other artists, you know, and kind of
Speaker 7: like sharing the love that way. And then I also
Speaker 7: think it would have been cool to see, you know,
Speaker 7: for all the female characters like sort of having these
Speaker 7: story arcs of having a family life and having a
Speaker 7: professional life and being able to be a full person
Speaker 7: doing both, which is such a novel idea for us.
Speaker 5: Lady who knew if you're pregnant in tree Hill you're
Speaker 5: gonna die.
Speaker 4: It's like you're.
Speaker 7: Gonna get driven off a bridge, You're gonna get burth
Speaker 7: that prom you're gonna Yeah, it's some tough's going on.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, indeed.
Speaker 8: Okay, So I love this idea, especially of getting to
Speaker 8: see you like really developing, producing doing more of like
Speaker 8: the A and R stuff while building a life.
Speaker 7: Do you.
Speaker 8: Think that life from this is Taylor's question should have
Speaker 8: been with Chase. Do you think Chase and Mia should
Speaker 8: have been endgame?
Speaker 3: I do?
Speaker 8: I have to be honest, guys, I do you guys
Speaker 8: are so cute together.
Speaker 7: We're I mean, we're Steve and I are friends, like
Speaker 7: his fiance is like I love them. They're like they're
Speaker 7: like two of our good friends. And we've been at
Speaker 7: conventions together where fans have been like.
Speaker 6: Stephen, who would you pick? And he always picks me up.
Speaker 6: So I'm like, you know what, I think I think
Speaker 6: that was the endgame. I think it was, you know,
Speaker 6: I mean they had a.
Speaker 7: Good like bartender in the bar, but not a musician.
Speaker 7: I don't think Mia should have ended, you know, because
Speaker 7: Tyler and I when we would tour together that people
Speaker 7: would always be like, do you guys think Chris Keller
Speaker 7: and Mia would have ever? And I was like, no,
Speaker 7: I think they would have like had a love hate
Speaker 7: professional relationship and then end up like liking each other
Speaker 7: a lot as friends and having a mutual creative respect
Speaker 7: and doing a tour together. You know. But I'm like,
Speaker 7: I don't think Mia wants to be with another musician romantically,
Speaker 7: like in the.
Speaker 4: Same knows better, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm like they're great, but it's too much. I can't.
Speaker 6: I got to be the one who's you know, who's
Speaker 6: the expert.
Speaker 4: I had to.
Speaker 6: Ask, I'm making the playlist.
Speaker 5: The first I'm making the playlist the first Mia chase
Speaker 5: like makeout scene.
Speaker 4: I had to ask. I was like, wait, did they
Speaker 4: kiss in real life? Like it just the chemistry felt
Speaker 4: so real, Oh my god.
Speaker 6: That's cute. Oh like did we date in real life?
Speaker 5: Because of all the dudes on our sets, Like I
Speaker 5: loved Colletti. I felt like he was a really safe
Speaker 5: place to be and so I would call him and
Speaker 5: be like, can you meet me at this bar?
Speaker 4: Just please be here?
Speaker 5: I need that chemistry was cuter than.
Speaker 4: Loved it all.
Speaker 6: Thanks hell, I'll thank you. Friends. Yeah, and he but
Speaker 6: he you know what's so cool.
Speaker 7: It's like my husband loves it. Like he watched the
Speaker 7: episode with me last night. Chluddie and I are like
Speaker 7: making out for half of it. You know. It's like
Speaker 7: that's that's what a secure partner who also like you know,
Speaker 7: he has to go, like he produces stuff in other
Speaker 7: countries for like three weeks to a time with like
Speaker 7: a bunch of like influencers, and like I think when
Speaker 7: you are both secure and why you're together. You celebrate
Speaker 7: each other's work, and he recognizes that as like, yeah.
Speaker 6: That's yeah, when you're an actor, like that's that's the work.
Speaker 7: And just because some people who have good chemistry as
Speaker 7: actors end up dating in real life doesn't mean everybody does.
Speaker 7: You know, that's a very simplified the like, do you
Speaker 7: guys feel like you've ever had You've ever been in
Speaker 7: relationships where people have been like super bummed that you
Speaker 7: had to kiss a co star like as part of
Speaker 7: your work.
Speaker 5: I had a couple engagements before One Tree Hill Young Kate,
Speaker 5: and they didn't Oh great, Not everybody's into that lifestyle.
Speaker 5: H Fortunately, I'm with a man now who like has
Speaker 5: had to roll around with bond girls in movies.
Speaker 3: Exactly, So I had to buckle up. I had to
Speaker 3: be like, what's good for the goose, it's good for
Speaker 3: the candle exactly. Yeah, No, Jeff doesn't care. But also
Speaker 3: he's a little suss about like all the Christmas.
Speaker 5: Movies because he's like, he's like, you started producing those
Speaker 5: Christmas movies and just casting all of your guy friends
Speaker 5: as the romantic.
Speaker 4: Leader, and he's like, are you trying to kiss out
Speaker 4: your buddies. I was like, no, it's safer to kiss
Speaker 4: a friend. It's a safe place.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I've definitely had some people not like what we do, sure,
Speaker 8: you know, which is also to your point. I think
Speaker 8: it's more about security and whatever else someone else feels.
Speaker 8: What I think is really interesting though, is like learning
Speaker 8: how to kind of widen your definition of chemistry. Like
Speaker 8: I only have I'm only friends with people I have
Speaker 8: great chemistry with.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 5: All our friendships are really charismatic friendship.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like my friendships are loving. You guys are amazing,
Speaker 8: Like I mean, my god. You know, Hillary and I
Speaker 8: were out together in the city the other night. People
Speaker 8: were losing their friend minds. We were just like hugging
Speaker 8: and dancing in a bar, like we all have great chemistry,
Speaker 8: and I think I think if you can realize that,
Speaker 8: like that's the perk of wonderful friendship and not think
Speaker 8: that chemistry has to mean something that isn't platonic. Especially
Speaker 8: as actors, we can use actor like our job is
Speaker 8: to create that. And so one of the things I
Speaker 8: actually am the most grateful for is like what you're
Speaker 8: talking about that you have with Steven, that I certainly
Speaker 8: developed with him in season four of the show, like.
Speaker 4: Safe chemistry, safe chemistry.
Speaker 8: Oh, it's like the best gift of a friendship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you know, if someone else.
Speaker 8: Gets your joke before you're done making it, you're finishing
Speaker 8: each other's sentences. You sure should make the scenes more interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you're.
Speaker 8: Like, you're not trying to hit on me. I'm not
Speaker 8: trying to hit on you either, And it's so many.
Speaker 7: I'm a girlfriend, I have a boyfriend, we're friends, blah,
Speaker 7: like it's not a thing.
Speaker 6: It's not a thing. But I had a boyfriend before
Speaker 6: I met my husband for most of the time I
Speaker 6: was on the show, a long distance relationship, who like
Speaker 6: would give me hell about nice scenes.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but that's just because he was threatened and insecure.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And then it was like I also, it's like I
Speaker 7: was making music videos where I had to kiss another
Speaker 7: guy and I was like, this is the and we
Speaker 7: broke up over it because I was just like, you're
Speaker 7: a clown if you can't handle this, and I get it,
Speaker 7: it's not ideal, but like this is I don't have
Speaker 7: time for this, you know.
Speaker 8: But it's also your job.
Speaker 6: It's your job. And that was kind of the thing
Speaker 6: that I love. My husband got that right away.
Speaker 7: He's like, yeah, you guys are actors, like this is
Speaker 7: what this is your They're literally paying you to make
Speaker 7: this look like these two people are in love. And
Speaker 7: it's like, oh, oh, someone imagine that, Like, yeah, you
Speaker 7: get it.
Speaker 5: If you're a good enough actor, you can look in
Speaker 5: love with anybody. If you're a.
Speaker 8: Honey, tell me about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could love a tennis ball. I love.
Speaker 7: You.
Speaker 4: Gotta spell it.
Speaker 8: You just got us out by the way.
Speaker 4: Half the time we do.
Speaker 8: Half the time they're putting a piece of neon tape
Speaker 8: on the mat box and that's who you're talking to
Speaker 8: in the scene because they got to get the camera
Speaker 8: so close to your face. I guess I'm curious about this,
Speaker 8: and I'm looking at our sheet here, and so are
Speaker 8: so many of the fans because there are multiple questions.
Speaker 8: Shawna wants to know what your favorite song was you
Speaker 8: did on the show, Brooklyn wants to know what your
Speaker 8: favorite performance you did was on the show. I mean,
Speaker 8: they keep coming, so like, I'm just going to kind
Speaker 8: of combo platter a bunch of people's questions because there
Speaker 8: is again as like coworker slash fan viewer. There's something
Speaker 8: so cool about getting to watch you perform music, cause
Speaker 8: like that is a whole other kind of chemistry, Like
Speaker 8: you get to be a literal rock star, not just
Speaker 8: like us, like the circus performers, you know, pretending we
Speaker 8: love a tennis ball. So, like, when you look back
Speaker 8: on the show, do you have a favorite performance or
Speaker 8: or is it something that like wasn't a song.
Speaker 6: That's such a good question.
Speaker 7: Oh man, I think like they were all really cool
Speaker 7: in their own right, just because it was really incredibly
Speaker 7: fun to be able to play these Like it was
Speaker 7: so cool that MIA's songs were my songs, you know,
Speaker 7: because I remember thinking this could easily have been a
Speaker 7: situation where, you know, the the the producers say, Okay,
Speaker 7: we love that you're playing this musician, but we want
Speaker 7: different songs.
Speaker 5: We don't want them to be carred to sing something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, or sing something about tree Hill, or like write
Speaker 7: a song with the name Chase in it or something,
Speaker 7: you know, like that was equal Oh my god, no,
Speaker 7: I thank god they didn't make me do that, because
Speaker 7: it would have been like.
Speaker 4: But could you could you with the name Chase in it?
Speaker 6: Just first, I can write a song about anything, right.
Speaker 7: It's like you're saying I can kiss a tennis ball,
Speaker 7: I can write.
Speaker 6: A song about anything and selling. But yeah, but I
Speaker 6: was glad I didn't have to because I.
Speaker 7: Could really convey, like, oh man, I wrote these songs
Speaker 7: about real stuff.
Speaker 6: In my life. I loved.
Speaker 7: I really loved playing the song at I think it was.
Speaker 6: At Peyton and Lucas's like wedding reception.
Speaker 7: The song was my song called Sweet silver Lining that's
Speaker 7: like about finding the silver lining while life is crazy,
Speaker 7: you know, which was.
Speaker 4: Something I was trying to do that about.
Speaker 6: Oh I was trying to do now and then.
Speaker 4: But wait, I never put that subtext together.
Speaker 6: Kate, that's crazy, dude.
Speaker 4: There's a lot, you know.
Speaker 7: It's funny, like I feel like in sort of pop
Speaker 7: music after like I feel like Taylor Swift really kind
Speaker 7: of normalized this type of which.
Speaker 6: Is great, this female songwriting.
Speaker 7: That's very much like I'm gonna put Drew's name in
Speaker 7: the song, and I was like, well, I can't do
Speaker 7: that because I'm gonna get fired if I write a
Speaker 7: mean song and put somebody's name in it.
Speaker 6: But you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: So I had to sort of find this this way
Speaker 7: of sort of saying things without saying them, which was
Speaker 7: good for me as an artist and a lyricist and stuff.
Speaker 8: But you had to do a little more metaphor.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you got to find a little bit of a
Speaker 7: you know, you gotta say things a certain way. And
Speaker 7: that was one that I felt like it was. It's
Speaker 7: been cool to see people say that that's you know,
Speaker 7: kind of help them when they're in because there's just
Speaker 7: you know, that's the thing like we were talking about.
Speaker 9: You know, you're after your first breakup with like a
Speaker 9: kid who went to your family's church when you're fourteen,
Speaker 9: you learn like life, life has some more serious going on,
Speaker 9: and so there's always depending on doesn't matter the degree
Speaker 9: of of you.
Speaker 7: Know, the problem. It can be something really smaller, it
Speaker 7: can be something really really hard to weather and or
Speaker 7: something in between, and you kind of trying to learn
Speaker 7: to find the silver lining in that is something I'm
Speaker 7: kind of always trying to. It's a continual thing. You know,
Speaker 7: you never arrive at being like oh yeah, now I
Speaker 7: got it. But yeah, that was one of my favorites.
Speaker 7: But it's hard to pick. It was all it was
Speaker 7: all so much fun.
Speaker 5: Dude, all I want to do is talk about secret
Speaker 5: messages in your songs right now, Like, was that the
Speaker 5: sneaky like you come? Yeah, what did you plant in
Speaker 5: the show that no one else knew about?
Speaker 8: Oh my god, you're turning red? There's something you're thinking
Speaker 8: of something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's so much you guys, we could have a
Speaker 7: whole series on I mean, I mean, I will say that,
Speaker 7: like some of the songs that were the most pointed,
Speaker 7: that were the most that were the least riddled with
Speaker 7: metaphors came out long after the show, when it beat
Speaker 7: came clear that it was safe to like to say
Speaker 7: such things. But yeah, I mean there was definitely some
Speaker 7: stuff like that. You know, you find ways to sneak
Speaker 7: it in there, and and I think, like, man if
Speaker 7: I or you take something and then you flip it
Speaker 7: to be about something else, right, Like I still do
Speaker 7: this where like I adore my husband, but if he
Speaker 7: pisses me off, I will write like a lyric that's
Speaker 7: you know, and then I'll come back to it later
Speaker 7: and I'll finish the song and he'll be.
Speaker 6: Like, did you write that about me? This is really dark?
Speaker 7: And I'm like, I didn't write about you you were
Speaker 7: just the inspiration when you said that thing, and I
Speaker 7: got really pissed, you know what I mean, And so
Speaker 7: I would do that sometimes whether there would be something
Speaker 7: where I was like, Okay, well I can't finish this
Speaker 7: song down this trajectory, or it's gonna be too obvious
Speaker 7: that this is about something that's.
Speaker 6: Gonna get me fired.
Speaker 7: But but let me take that spin it into yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: All I love a secret message. I mean, I me too.
Speaker 5: When you put out the Shoot Your Arrow song when
Speaker 5: we were in the thick of all the meat too.
Speaker 5: I don't know how long you had been plotting that.
Speaker 5: I don't know how long it had been inside of you,
Speaker 5: but it it was so meaningful to us.
Speaker 8: It was like an anthem.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was like we had something to hang our hats
Speaker 5: on and be like see, like it happened to all
Speaker 5: of us, you know, and someone is able to articulate
Speaker 5: it in a way that I can't. It was just
Speaker 5: so nice that you could do that. That's not a
Speaker 5: skill that I have.
Speaker 8: Yes, you you put you gave like life to feelings
Speaker 8: and experiences and also made it rock and roll with
Speaker 8: a guitar, and we were just like yeah, and we
Speaker 8: all needed it, and there's a text thread lit up.
Speaker 8: Oh it really did? That was that was a nice week.
Speaker 4: It was well what I sort of love.
Speaker 8: I mean obviously about the song and all the things
Speaker 8: we've been able to talk about today. I also love
Speaker 8: that the other four questions that we had selected from
Speaker 8: the vigilion we got for you, you just like answered
Speaker 8: in the answers to these things, except one that I
Speaker 8: do want to end on a high note because this
Speaker 8: might have been movie magic, but it also could have
Speaker 8: just been that we all did go to bars together
Speaker 8: a lot. One of our fans wants to know if
Speaker 8: you're actually that good at pool in real life or
Speaker 8: was that all set up?
Speaker 6: Guys?
Speaker 7: Oh man, here comes, Okay, here it comes. No, I
Speaker 7: am not that good at pool in real life.
Speaker 8: It's because you're so good at music though, don't forget that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to be like the cool girl who's
Speaker 7: really good at bar games like I want to someday,
Speaker 7: you know, maybe in my forties, maybe in my fifties.
Speaker 6: Who knows, it'll be an era for me.
Speaker 7: It's not right now, and it's sure as hell was
Speaker 7: not in my twenties and when I was nineteen or whatever.
Speaker 7: That was like I think only my third or fourth episodic.
Speaker 7: It was like one of my very first episodes. And
Speaker 7: I remember being like, hey, I don't know to what
Speaker 7: degree I'm gonna need to be awesome at Pool for
Speaker 7: you guys to make it look like I'm awesome at Pool,
Speaker 7: but I'm not awesome at Pool, so like and so
Speaker 7: I like.
Speaker 6: Worked, like I went to set and worked on it.
Speaker 6: I probably went to Blue Post and worked on it,
Speaker 6: but found out quickly that's not one of those things.
Speaker 7: It's like playing guitar, Like you can't get good at
Speaker 7: it in a weekend, Like you gotta like, you gotta
Speaker 7: know what you're doing. So this is so embarrassing, but
Speaker 7: also the magic of the movies.
Speaker 4: They had a double.
Speaker 6: So there was a double who was a Pool shark.
Speaker 7: And she wore a black wig and the same felt
Speaker 7: it as me.
Speaker 6: And they got a double.
Speaker 7: And I remember being like, this is awesome and also
Speaker 7: humiliating a bit.
Speaker 6: No got doubles.
Speaker 4: I don't swim. I was always like, put somebody else out.
Speaker 6: I don't want to do this totally.
Speaker 7: But pools one of those things where it's like just
Speaker 7: sort of you know, it's like just accessible enough where
Speaker 7: you're like, come.
Speaker 8: On, no, I can't do it.
Speaker 7: But like it's they were I guess they were like,
Speaker 7: we want you to be really good and they were like,
Speaker 7: so far, we don't think you're able to fake being
Speaker 7: amazing at pool.
Speaker 4: You know what, that's just a male fantasy. They all
Speaker 4: want that, like hot.
Speaker 8: Chick, that hot girl in the leather jacket who sinks
Speaker 8: the balls.
Speaker 5: And you know what you did at nineteen you said this,
Speaker 5: I'm not playing with that big stick in front of you.
Speaker 4: Guys, get a body double.
Speaker 5: I like this about you, Kate.
Speaker 6: I already play guitar, Like what more do you want?
Speaker 4: You know right, I'm already cool and I drink.
Speaker 7: Jack Daniels like I'm sorry, we can't all we can't
Speaker 7: do it all Like we can't, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: So but they were funny about it.
Speaker 7: I mean, everybody gave me and it was like they
Speaker 7: were like, we do this all the time for other stuff,
Speaker 7: but but it was it's just hilarious to have a
Speaker 7: not for like Mia joined the basketball.
Speaker 6: Team and then you're like, okay, obviously there's gonna be
Speaker 6: a double me.
Speaker 7: It was great at Pool and they were like, we're
Speaker 7: gonna need to bring in some bag.
Speaker 4: Oh man, well you were also delivering like a huge monologue.
Speaker 5: You had eight million lines as you walked around the
Speaker 5: pool table. It was impossible.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot. It
Speaker 6: was baptism by fire for sure. Thanks guys, thanks all.
Speaker 8: I'm really hearing though, is that perhaps the next time
Speaker 8: we're all in Wilmington together we should look up your
Speaker 8: Pool Shark double and have her give us a lesson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can hit the blue post.
Speaker 6: Yeah she was great, she was super nice.
Speaker 8: Let's go out and learn a skill.
Speaker 7: I would love that so much, would love it more
Speaker 7: than anything. Yes, I'm all about it. Learning new stuff
Speaker 7: is like, oh it's the best. It's so scary, but
Speaker 7: it's the best. Like Pool, why not let redeem myself
Speaker 7: ten years, fifteen years later.
Speaker 8: Here we go, baby, every decade we'll learn a new scale. Guys,
Speaker 8: to all of our fans at home, thank you for
Speaker 8: submitting questions. I am sorry that we just mostly asked
Speaker 8: our own, but we've been waiting to ask Kate questions
Speaker 8: about the show for a really long time, and we're
Speaker 8: gonna be back and actually finally dig into an episode
Speaker 8: with our miss Mia Catalano. We're gonna talk six fifteen
Speaker 8: with Kate Bocal later.
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