WEBVTT - DC Pride 2022 #1 with Dani Fernandez + Ms. Marvel Ep 2 & Obi-Wan Kenobi Ep 5 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:00.480 Warning. 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.480 This podcast contained spoilers for episode five, Oh We Want Kenobe, 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:05.920 plus spoilers of episode two of Miss Marvel. 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:22.960 You have been warned. Hello. 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:25.639 My name is Jason Cooncepsio, and welcome to x ray 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:30.600 Vision The Crooked podcast where we divey been to your 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:34.919 favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Today's episode, I'm 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.839 previously on Across the Spider Verse Villain, the sequel to 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.680 the hit movie Into the Spider Verse has been announced. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.640 Joker two is now potentially a musical. What in the Airlock? 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.760 Miss Marvel Episode two? And Obi Want Kenobe? Episode five discussion. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.880 In the Hive Mind, we're celebrating Pride with writer and 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:57.720 actor Danny Fernandez, and in our nerd out segment where 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.360 you tell us what you love and why, Micah tells 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.640 us about the Toy Story franchise to mark the release 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.240 of Pixar's Light Year out today now. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:08.680 Of course, as always. 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.360 If you want to jump around, check out the time 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.160 stamps and the show notes for detailed information about all 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:14.280 the things that we talk about. 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:15.800 And now to help me talk about the. 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:21.040 Stuff is the great, the wonderful, the charming, the super 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:28.200 brilliant walking comics Encyclopedia, Godzilla writing, Rosie night. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.960 Oh, I'm good, it's good to be here. It's nice 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:36.199 to see you. Yeah, that's good stuff. Loads of things 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.840 going on in the world, things going on. 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:41.600 Thank you for one. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.160 I want to shout out my I want to shout 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.560 out producers Christ saul One for for struggling through COVID 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:55.800 on consecutive weeks. Kill for killing the virus and killing 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:56.200 the game. 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:57.080 Uh. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.960 And then I want to and then thanks to everybody 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.120 on this on this zoom right now, Rosie, Chris Vassili's 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:08.400 delon for for making the time so that we could 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.160 do this pod. As I am currently on the road 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:16.799 in New Mexico where we're shooting the sitcom that is 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:21.640 Chay Serrano's story of his life, and we're really excited 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.720 to bring that to people at some point. But thank you, 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.560 Thanks everybody on the zoom for for putting up with that. 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:28.919 Rosie. How are you? What are you doing? 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.520 I am good, I'm I'm good, I'm surviving, I'm coping, 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.000 I'm This is a really excited, exciting episode. We wanted 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.480 to have Danny on for a while, so it's super brad. Also, 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.520 how's the how's the shoot going. I'm so excited for you. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:51.600 It's been really it's amazing to watch something that you 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.720 and other people have been collaborating on and creating come 0:02:55.760 --> 0:03:00.160 to life. It's a really amazing. It's just a really 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.240 amazing process to be like, oh, I remember when we 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.360 came up with that. Now here are these here are 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.760 these people playing these characters saying the stuff. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:08.600 That's really amazing. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:13.000 It is like truly in the most sincere way possible. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:17.440 You Like, it's emotional to be like, wow, we're making 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.400 a show that's based on my friend's life. 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:21.200 How cool? 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.280 Is like, that's cool, that's amazing. Who would have ever 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.080 thought this would have happened? Like we will go to lunch. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:30.960 And sit there and be like can you believe doing this? 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:33.160 You know? 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.680 And then like you know, Shay of course is along 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.800 with TV's Mike Sure and the and the super talented 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.280 and experienced Peter Marietta and Lisami's Bryant are all EPs 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:43.720 of the show. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.440 And so you know, all day. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.400 The ship people are coming up to say like, hey, 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.920 do you like for the shirt color? 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.240 Do you like green or blue? If he's wearing that shirt? 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.440 Hey, what do you think about this lettering? Okay, So 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.560 here are the enchiladas for the cookout scene. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.200 Do these look good? Uh? Do you want this? More 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.360 mud on this character's face? More blood? 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.240 Should do you want the Like? It's just like all 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.720 day and it's really amazing to watch. It's it's it's 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:16.279 really incredible. Everybody here in Albuquerque is really really nice, 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:20.120 like very war All theseeries I had have been fantastic, 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.640 like wonderful conversations with all my all my lift drivers. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.320 People will just come up and chat with you, and 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:32.160 they're so nice. The scenery is incredible. Uh, and it 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:38.719 is so fucking hot, like I'm broiled alive out here. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:43.440 But it's been really amazing, it's been loved, incredible. Yeah, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.560 let's get into the air lock. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:47.640 No, let's get into the previous. 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.320 Um, do just skip me. 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:55.120 The Into the Spider Verse sequel is coming. It is 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:59.440 looming one of the greatest comic book movies legitimately ever. 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.400 Made, ever, ever, ever, and. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.920 The film's Twitter account tweeted out a first look of 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:10.920 classic Spider Man kind of like low Steaks Villain the Spot. 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.120 Who are incredible, just absolutely incredible. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.880 Who apparently will be voiced by Jason Schwartzman. The tweet reads. 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:21.200 Meet the Spot, Miles Morales's most formidal fou yet, voiced 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.800 by Jason Schwartzman. See him in action in Spider Man 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.400 Across the Spider Verse, exclusively in movie theaters June second, 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.920 twenty two three. Rosie tell us about the Spot. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.360 Who listen. I'll just say it. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.599 The Spot gets his ass kicked all the time. But 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.600 that's the Spot role at all times. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:46.800 Look, if you have yeah, if you have recently googled 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.800 the Spot, which you may have done, yeah, you may 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.840 have been because of this news. You will see him 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.360 come up mostly on lists of ten worst Spider Man 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:58.000 villains of all time. Right, but I obviously we love 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.560 like we had deep cut stuff here, so I think 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.920 this is such a cool choice. The Spot is like 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.960 a really weird mid eighties villain who first was in 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.560 a book called Peter Parker Spectacular Spider Man debut in 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:13.080 issue ninety eight, created by al Mailgram and Herb Trimpy 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:17.159 to it the best to ever do It? Ever, do ever, 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.159 Ever Do It? And he's like body is white with 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.839 black spots. The representation in the movie. 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.120 Is very it's very realistic. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:31.120 It looks real name Jonathan on spelt very funnily, and 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.240 I have to say, I think this is so clever 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:37.680 because immediately from the image that they show you in 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.919 the comics, the spots just getting beaten up, right, But 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.800 from what they show us on that image, you can 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.360 tell this is going to be some kind of dimensional 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:52.800 cosmic villain whose body and the spots that are gonna 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.560 interplay with this animation. And we know that this is 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.960 called across the Spider Verse, so I wonder if maybe 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.280 he holds the multiverse in the holes or something. I 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:05.279 just think this is so cool, and it speaks so 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.360 much to the love of the comics that the people 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.240 making this have, which makes sense because a lot of 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.840 comics creators are involved. But I just thought this was 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:15.480 so so great. 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.680 It's really it's a really fun one. 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.000 And I love that pull because so in the comics, 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:26.600 the Spot is your typical computer, your typical scientific genius 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:31.000 who experiments on themselves and then turns themselves into a 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.240 powered individual. In this case, the Spot who has these 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:38.000 spots are like interdimensional. It can teleport create spots like 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.360 in surfaces, like in a wall, and then he can 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.240 have half his body like standing there in front of 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:44.800 you and the other half hanging out of the water. 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:46.440 Yeah, kind of like the Doctor. 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.800 Strange powers that we've seen the way to open the 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.800 portals in the MCU, which, by the way, that is 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.600 just it's just so clever for the context of the 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:56.960 movie to use this character. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.440 I firmly agree. 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:05.720 Now in the the Spot, uh wielded these incredibly almost 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.800 godlike teleportation powers to just like Rob Banks and shit. 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.720 Yeah, and he's connected to the Kingpin, which I'm sure 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.239 will probably come into play here because he was working 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:20.280 for the Kingpin. So it's really funny because, like you said, 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.480 he is very like low level villain, but he can 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.120 literally like go into different dimensions and stuff. But he's like, 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.120 oh no, better like rober Hambag. 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.000 I'm super excited about that. I love the Spot. The 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:38.040 Spot is super fun. Uh, super fun, deep cut Marvel villain. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.640 Okay, So do you think this means that we will 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.600 see the famous Leno and super villain team that he 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.559 was a part of called the Legion of Losers. 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:54.559 I yes, but not named the Legion of Losers. 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.040 Yes, I believe the official name is like Spider Man 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:02.559 Revenge Squad. But people, I would love to see them 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.319 bring in a bunch because we know we're going to 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.320 see a lot of different Pete Pauca's and different Spider 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.199 Man from all across the universe, so I will be 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.160 interesting to see what villains come into play with that. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.040 And I just want to say, also, man the Spider 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:20.160 Man's villains when they team up, there's always some absolutely 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.120 terrible fatal flaw in whatever their fucking plan is to 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.280 defeat Spider Man. Going all the way back to the 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.520 debut of the original debut of the Sinister Six, where 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.880 here comes Spider Man, six most potent villains, they can't 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.600 beat him one on one, so they decide, okay, let's 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.240 team up and we're finally going to take him out. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:42.920 But then they can't. They're all so prideful that none 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.520 of them want help. So they fight him one at 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.320 a time, and of course they all get beauty. It's like, 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.360 why are you guys a team if you're not gonna 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.680 jump him all at once? What the fuck is this shit? 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:55.200 Oh? 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.400 Too honorable? They know what they want to make it an. 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:01.440 Equal fine, Next up, Joker Too. 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:07.240 Todd Phillips recently shared the title to the sequel to 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.559 his twenty nineteen movie The Joker, starring Joaquin Phoenix as 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:16.520 the titular Joker, and it is I'm apologizing now to 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:23.320 the Francophone audience of X ray Vision Joker foley adu, 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:31.000 which means two people who share the same mental disorder. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:37.560 And it's presumed that Lady Gaga is currently in talks 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:43.440 to play Harley Quinn, and the scuttle butt is that 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.160 this movie could be a musical. Now I have a 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:50.880 hot take. I'm not a great fan of the Todd 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:58.240 Phillips ouvre, not at all. That said, I think that 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.640 there's a chance like that this could be really interesting, 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.680 like just as a as a as a mental exercise. 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.880 If you tell me the Joker and Harley Quinn in 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:15.439 a live action musical, I'm like, huh. 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:15.400 I want to see it like now. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.360 So I don't know if it's going to be good. 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.480 So I think it's gonna be bad, but I'm interested. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.240 This feels to me like like a cat's level, like 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.280 shit post, like I can't I've kind of become up. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.200 I feel like it broke my brain, Like we've all 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.200 been on the edge with twenty twenty two, but this 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.840 is like this is my mobius, Like this is like 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:36.120 all I can think about that. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.600 I've been more. 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.200 This is my I need to start the Joker to 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:47.319 musical discord fan community. Like I, I was probably surprising 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.880 no one not a huge fan of Joker as it 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:51.920 was known. Joker. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.280 Sorry, is it a Joker or a Joker? Joker jo? 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:56.520 Because it's serious. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.520 I apologize to my to my Joker stands out there joking. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.040 It wasn't really for me. And when I heard this news, 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.800 I thought I was going to die. And I saw 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:09.839 a tweet by at Sage Heydn and this tweet sums 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.240 up absolutely to me. Joker Too as a musical is 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.920 literally the most chaotic decision any movie studio has ever made. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.120 Everyone that was excited for a sequel is mad. Everyone 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.560 that thought a sequel was unnecessary is excited. Pure chaos. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:24.480 You love to see it. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:31.040 I agree, I absolutely agree, absolutely absolutely, I encourage the chaos. 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.240 I mean the timelines. I know we're we're cannon heads 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.280 over here, and the Joker timeline is its own thing. 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.720 But like, how could Harlequin be that old? I don't know. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:45.240 At least she is at least she's age appropriate, I guess. 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.920 And also as well, I mean I want it to 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:55.360 be absolutely ridiculous and wild and just totally that's the 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.280 only way because I don't really need to see like 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:03.560 harlequin is a social worker at the Gotham. But the 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.640 good thing is, when I saw the name, you know, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.400 Follia do, I assumed it was Harlequinn. The first rumor 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.240 and reading of that was that it was going to 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.640 be Joker with his followers, who at the end of 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.080 the movie spoiler alert, there's like a Joker cult kind 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.560 of there's a riot and people like him. He's doing 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.160 a dance, you know, that's what he likes to do. 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:23.800 The car they carry him. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.560 He's like Jesus. He's like Joker. She's like clown Jesus, 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:32.719 you know. And and and that was what a lot 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.400 of people thought it was going to be about. I 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:41.400 far prefer this version, so I I I far the joke. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.000 He's let's not have any uh, you know, let's not 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:50.640 have any famed like child molesters on the soundtrack of 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:54.480 the musical, Let's let's not do that this time, but otherwise, like, 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:55.320 let's let's. 0:13:55.080 --> 0:14:00.760 Do it here's I completely agree. I and I of 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:05.480 course firmly acknowledged that there's every possibility that this could 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:10.560 be terrible. That said, it's interesting and while it may 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:15.640 be horrendous for our ears and eyes, it'll be great 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.360 content no matter what to talk about. So I'm eager 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.120 for it. You know what else I'm eager to do. 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.400 Talk about Miss Marvel and Obi Wan Kenobe. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:25.160 Let's do it. 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.359 We're stepping out of the airlock to talk about episode 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.680 two of Miss Marvel and then part five of What 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.080 We Want Kenobe, both out now on the Disney Pluce. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.800 It's my former colleague Andy Greenwold used to say, here 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.480 we go, let's get into it. Miss Marvel Episode two, Crushed, 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:56.920 written by Kate Gritmand, directed by a. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:57.600 Mirah Menon. 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:03.200 Having discovered that she now has powers at Avenger Coon, 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.480 Kamala walks into school like twenty feet off the ground. 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.160 She could not feel better, She could not feel more confident. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:18.680 She is swaggering around the hallways in slow motion. Everybody 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.760 like finger guns pointing at her, and shit is great? 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.040 How could it get better? How about this? 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:31.680 The appearance of Comraan played by Rishaw, a very handsome 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:37.560 young man of British Pakistani descent who is apparently a 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:43.040 student classmate of our hero. And folks were seeing sparks 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:49.280 explode literally on the screen. Bruno, who is going to 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:54.840 be increasingly anxious about the development of Comraan as part 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:59.360 of their friend group, asks Kamala about her powers. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:15:59.920 How do they work? 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.600 What can you do with him? And She's like, I've 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.280 just been doing ant man ship. I've been trying to shrink. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.400 I've been trying to fly. I've been trying to talk 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:12.240 with the ants. It's not working. Berna's like, why ant 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.600 Man powers? And come I was like, listen, what can 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.280 I say? I'm a huge fan of the Scotland podcast. 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:19.120 And then we. 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:23.160 Get a fun like Scott Lang slash Paul Rudd. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.600 Is super good looking for his age. 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:32.320 A wonderful a wonderful reference to the real life meme 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.960 that is Paul Rudd, who is I just need to 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.160 know what the what the skin hydration is? 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:39.520 How do you? 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.000 How does he do it? Our resident mean. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:47.920 Girl, Zoe Uh is also soaking in the soaking in 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:53.600 the the acclaim and the attention from Avengers, Cohn and 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:58.960 her She is more than willing to exploit her near death. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.200 Do you to the sudden immergence of a person with 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:09.000 powers into burseoning her influencer numbers Later in the theater 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.800 prop room, Kamala is trying to test out her powers, 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.440 trying to feel like, if you know, trying to figure 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.440 out what they do. She gets her in big in 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.680 hand to pop out, but it gets too big and 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.679 she figures out, okay, super strength is not one of 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:28.080 my things. Then Bruno goes and helps Kamala basically become 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:32.080 a better superhero. And it's and it's push ups, it 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:36.280 is running laps, it is rooftop. Attempts to walk on 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:41.000 her quote to walk on her little hard light creations. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.720 She's able to like create these little circles of hard 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:46.879 light and then walk on them, which she will do 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:51.199 later on in the In the episode, Bruno notices that 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.840 the Bengal has her the bracelet that she has. The 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.600 Bengal has some writing on it that resembles either Arabic 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.080 or Rudu, and gradually a bit by Kamala starts to. 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.840 Get the hang of what this bangle can do. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:10.040 Here we get a wonderful plot about Kamala and Nakia 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:16.080 at the mosque and their endeavors to improve the women's 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.680 side of the mosque. Later, Kamala apologized to her mom 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:24.320 for sneaking out mostly as a prelude to to go 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:29.240 to Zoe's party. When you ba agrees, someone offers Kamala 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.960 a drink and lies her about what it is. It 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.119 turns out there's vodka in it, which is one of 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.200 the most terrible things, Like that person actually awful into 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.399 the pool. It's really shitty, like really one of the 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.280 awful things that happened. But then a good thing happens, 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.600 which is Camron gets out of the pool and folks, 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:54.080 he looking real good. He looking good, and the show 0:18:54.440 --> 0:19:00.480 shows you that he's looking good with it's now typical 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:06.320 wonderful visual style multiple one hundred percent and flame emojis 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:14.840 flashing around his his his shirtless body. Then switching over 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:20.360 to Kamala as she's like just completely besotted with crushed 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:24.200 feelings for him and like all this wonderful, like very 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.280 comic book imagery around her. 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:27.320 I will say. 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.480 So he gets out of the pool and it's this 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.159 wonderful like eyes lock moment. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.320 He's walking towards her. It's happening like it's slow motion. 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.880 There's all these sparks, and then he's like, oh, you're 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:41.440 standing on my you're standing on my shirt. 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.000 And then he goes to put it on without toweling off. 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:45.640 Oh yeah, what kind of. 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.840 What kind of psycho gets out of the pool and 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:53.240 then just puts on a dry shirt without fucking toweling off. 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.800 I was shocked by this. But now, as people see 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.480 in the rest of that, I'm assuming this is foreshadowing 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.479 act about it because I agree with you. I agree 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:03.080 with you. 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:08.480 That I thought that as well. But so, yeah, it's 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:09.080 spoiler alert. 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.080 We're gonna find out some stuff about about this person 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.160 later on that could lead us to believe that maybe 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.119 he has powers and there's like something else going on there. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.760 But why like almost well, maybe he's just a psycho, And. 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:27.919 Why almost out yourself as a powered individual by like 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:31.359 like steam drying all the liquid off your body? 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.480 Did he want to let it cool? Like? I mean, 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:35.120 it did look cool? I have to say, I think 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.720 we only probably noticed because we're old people. We were like, 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:39.480 I'm you gonna get the chills? 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:41.160 Yeah, I know now. 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.760 Of course, Bruno, who has feelings of his own for Kamala, 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:50.919 is not too happy about this ongoing and development. He 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:57.080 feels it's it's he feels really shitty about it. Let's 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:02.200 talk for briefly about the bank Rosie. We've been saying 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.359 the Quanta band, and I think that's right. But I 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.760 also think now increasingly that what they've done here is 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.200 just basically take the Mega band and the Quanta Band 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:16.119 and smash them together. And it's some kind of version 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:17.560 of both. 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.400 Like it would not surprise me at all. 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.760 If I agree whatever this is is connected to the 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.520 Cree but also somehow to the negative zone. 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:28.120 YadA YadA, yadah. 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.040 So something that I think is really interesting in this episode, 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:35.720 Bruno realizes like if he puts the bangle on, or 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:37.560 if someone else puts on, it's not going to give 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.520 them powers. Like the Bangal is channeling something that is 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:46.600 inherently inside Kamala. I find that very interesting. Also, Kamala 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.119 works out that her powers are as she calls it, 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.119 it feels like an idea come to life. So this 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:58.160 is an imagination based power. That is, it is channeled 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:00.920 by a magical artifact that you wear on your hand on. 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:04.800 This is basically the green Latin they've given Kamala Kahan 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:09.639 Green Latin powers, and very specifically with the family aspect, 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:13.680 it feels like there was a recent green Lantern book 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:18.400 about a young kid who got their powering from their grandma, 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.040 and this feels like it could very much have been 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.399 inspired by this kind of storytelling. So I think this 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:25.880 is I think you're right. I think this is an 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.639 amalgamation of two different of the quantum mats and the 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:33.320 egg bands, but it's also going to be about something 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.959 within Kamala. I don't necessarily think it's like a I 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.240 like the idea that she's chosen because I think those 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:41.640 stories are always fun, but I don't necessarily think it's 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:45.560 going to be a worthiness like the Green Lantern. I think, 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.440 as we will get into by the end of this episode, 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:52.520 that this is a family based power in more than 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:53.320 just the bangles. 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:58.760 So Carla is very interested in exploring this familial connection. 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:04.800 So when her brother Emir brings his fiance Taisha around 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:10.400 for dinner, this gives Kamali opening to kind of probe around, 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:14.840 ask her mother Mendiba, about the family's family history and 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:19.399 maybe get some information about how the family came to 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.560 be in possession of this band. 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:29.400 This leads to a really well done, very like. 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:37.800 Entertaining and refreshing conversation about the family's personal history regarding 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:43.359 the partition of India after the announcement of Indian independence. 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:50.000 This is in nineteen forty seven. It was a epoch 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:56.400 shifting event that resulted in a rolling civil war, numerous 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.960 instances of unrest, millions of people on the move. 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.159 And many many, many, many many many deaths. 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:08.120 And of course that trauma touched this family in specific ways. 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:13.440 And I think one thing, if anybody's ever had any 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:20.200 experience with South Asian communities, Pakistani communities have Pakistani friends, 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:27.000 is Pakistani? You know that, like every family does have 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:30.800 some kind of story. And also nobody talks. This is 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.919 not like a thing people talk about. So I found 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:37.399 this scene to just be like, Wow, I love that 0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:38.160 they're going here. 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:40.919 This sums up what's so great about this show so 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:44.600 far as this warmth and balance and love for the 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:48.199 character and love for the comics, but recognizing who the 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:51.080 character actually is and what it means for that character. 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:54.080 And I absolutely this is where we start to really 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:58.240 get that hint of how this could be a familiar power. 0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:00.560 And I love that they've tied it in that way. 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:04.199 I absolutely, I absolutely love it. 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:10.960 And so Kamala's asking your mom about her mom uh 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:16.320 Sanna and then her great grandmother Ayisha, that this is uh, 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:21.040 Kamala's great grandmother Ayisha, and this is a very touchy subject. 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:24.040 It's clear by Medieva's response. Uh. 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:32.040 She talks about uh potential sexual impropriety on behalf of Aisha. 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.520 She talks about a mysterious disappearance. 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:38.000 Uh. But the takeaway is. 0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:40.600 We doesn't want to talk about this, whatever this is, 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:42.920 We're not talking about your great grandmother. 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.000 Kamala then has. 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.680 As tensions and emotions start to rise on the subject 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:56.840 of her great grandmother Aisha. Uh, the bangal like it 0:25:56.960 --> 0:26:00.320 starts to glow. Something happens and Kamala has a vision 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:05.960 which seemingly emanates from the Bengal of like this portal 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:11.199 opening and there's a person there and who is this person? 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:15.000 With their hair flowing and energy crackling all around her 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:18.239 And the next thing you know, Kamala is like is 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.040 coming to She has passed out, fainted on the ground 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.560 with her loved ones all concerned looking down on her. 0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:28.760 And what is this vision that just happened? Do you 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:32.040 have any thoughts on what it is? Rosie so yes, I. 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:38.600 Believe they talk in this moment of how Manieba's mom 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:43.800 so Kamala's grandma Sona, which is obviously I believe is yeah, 0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:47.400 so it's a it's probably a hint to Sonna AMNet, 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:51.919 who created was a co creator of this marvel. She 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.720 got lost and separated from her family, and she was 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:57.760 able to find her way back, according to her, as 0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:02.080 a child on a rail of stars. And nobody knows 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.600 what happened to Aisha, and it all seems very mythical. 0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:09.680 I fully believe that what happened is Kamala's great grandmar 0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.359 fell in love with a Cree, had a baby with 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:17.040 a Cree who is Sanna, and I believe that there 0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:23.040 is a legacy of Cree DNA or blood that runs 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.720 in Kamala's family that allows her to use these powers that, 0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.639 as Kevin Fagy has said, would put her more in 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:31.480 line with the Marvels who will be her team, and 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:33.960 it would make her. I love how close it would 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.080 make her to Carol. Now. I also think there's a 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:40.399 different version where it's not necessarily a genetic power, but 0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:44.679 it was more like that Aisha was the first person 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.480 to be chosen to wield the bangle, and then from 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.680 there that was able to be passed on through her family. 0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:54.679 But I think that this is essentially a nod to 0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:59.320 the Cree or some kind of alien intervention which is 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:01.080 going to explain Kamala's powers. 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:09.000 The next morning, we discover that Kamala's parents got together 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:13.119 in part because of a shared love of the music 0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:17.879 of bon Jovi. And then Kamala asks about Aisha again, 0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:21.280 and Maniebla again just like shuts her down. We're not 0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.600 talking about this. The family then goes to the mosque 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:27.359 to celebrate aid. Nakia is making the rounds as she 0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:31.919 is now running for the board of election of the mosque, 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.000 you know, leadership of the mosque. This puts her into 0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:41.400 direct competition with one of Kamala's dad's friends, which is 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:46.280 a little touchy. Kamala then volunteers to talk to them 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:51.680 illuminant I can't even say it, illuminanties in her words, 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:56.000 to try and get some more information on her great grandmother. Meanwhile, 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:59.520 Zoe has been brought in by the Department of Damage 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:04.360 Control as they are seeking more information on who this 0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:08.320 person that displayed the powers at Avengers Con is. And 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:15.400 here we get as as Agent Deaver starts to kind 0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:20.720 of like run through who the suspect might be, we 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.640 eventually land on South Asian. 0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:29.200 Muslim person, to which agent Cleary. 0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:34.280 Notes that, Okay, well, we have to be careful because 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:38.000 we already know that the FBI has these communities under surveillance. 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:44.920 Here again is a moment that I found so refreshing 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:46.600 and like, yeah, we're just going to go there. I 0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:49.360 love that they went there. I love that they're referencing 0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:51.200 the fact that in the post nine to eleven world, 0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:54.840 the FBI in a number of cases that I think 0:29:56.720 --> 0:30:00.520 fair minded people if you look at them, are were 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:06.640 basically entrapment schemes by the FBI, which the FBI number 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:12.240 one had various informants at mosques, you know, often going 0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.239 in with these kind of strong arm techniques like well, 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.240 if you have nothing to hide, you'll let us do this. 0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:18.400 And you know we live, you know, we've been attacked, 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.640 and so if if you don't let us listen in 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:27.200 on your on your on your worshippers and investigate them, 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.800 then we're going to believe that you have something to hide. 0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:37.600 And also the FBI going forward and entrapping people into 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:41.520 plots that they would not have been involved with otherwise. 0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.720 And here is a clear reference to that very. 0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:50.640 Real world event. And I was just in shock that 0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:51.480 they referenced this. 0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:53.960 I thought this was really, really, really well done, and 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.280 I think that something I'm very interested to see is 0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:02.040 where the Department of Damage Control will go, because this 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:06.000 is very different to the Dwayne McDuffie Department of Damage Control. 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:10.280 They were not cops, they were not a government agency, 0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.520 which fits into the world of the MCU. But I 0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.640 would love to see with that critique that was put 0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:17.479 into the show, I would love to see a version 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:20.880 that's more like that we clean we're tired, we clean 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:24.800 up after the superheroes kind of situation. But another moment 0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:28.600 I thought was really powerful here was they did a 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:34.000 really good job in the comics Zoe the mean girl, 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:38.560 that is a she is on a journey of growth 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:40.960 and will become a larger part of the comic and 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:45.240 largely likely the show. But I thought they did a 0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:48.600 really good job and that actor in particular of realizing 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:54.160 when she directed them to that community, she looked horrified 0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:57.560 and you can just see that that's a that's a 0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.920 moment where I'm I'm pretty sure we'll see her go 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:04.240 and try and wrecked by that. But that whole scene was, Yeah, 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.880 they they lure you in with some warm moments, and 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:10.200 then they just they just say it how it is. 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:14.720 Really, I mean, this show is is just really really 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:18.720 really well done. First of all, like the most easily 0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:22.760 the most visually creative Marvel show on Disney. 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.120 Truly, you can say there's nothing like it. It's there's 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:25.680 nothing like it. 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:27.360 There's nothing like it. 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:32.280 Every scene has a moment that just pops, whether it's 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:39.880 the comics inspired like almost drawn on effects and lettering 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:43.560 that appears like on surfaces or on the roadway or 0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:49.920 on the wall or at or the scene from episode 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.880 one in which Kamala like flops down like on the 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:57.200 divan and the camera flips over lafully like one eighty 0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:01.080 like vertically so that it's looking at her now upside down. 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:05.800 All these little visual things make this show so fun 0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:07.720 to watch. And then they hit you with. 0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:11.560 This really big hearted. 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:21.400 Depiction of Pakistani American family, child of immigrants that does 0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:24.880 not pull its punches on any of the issues that 0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:26.720 intersect with that community. 0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.000 Really great shit, This is a good episode. 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:32.000 It's the good stuff. Yeah, that's the really stuff. 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:36.479 Back at Eid, the Aunties reiterates Kamala that Aisher her 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:41.080 great grandmother in some way that is not laid out, 0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:44.560 brought shame to the family. Some say she was a snake, 0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.120 she was putting curses on people, She had an affair, 0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:50.000 she ran on and she killed somebody during the partition. 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:54.560 Nobody's really sure, but whatever it was, it was bad. 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:59.560 As this is going on, a kid who climbed up 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.800 the mosque tower falls and now has to be rescued. 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:05.200 Who will do the rescuing? Guess who? 0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:10.000 Kamala Khan suits up. She gets her first big superhero moment. 0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:15.720 She successfully creates her little hard light steps that allow 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:19.400 her to step out over like high over the street 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.319 and reach up and grab this kid and save him. 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:25.279 She creates a little hard light platform for him to 0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:29.440 fall on. Then she takes a little too early of 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:34.560 a victory lap and the kid ends up falling many 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:38.200 many stories towards the ground, hurtling towards the ground. Quick 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.120 thinking Kamala manages to make various platforms to kind of 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:46.840 break his fall, but he does fall reasonably hard, breaks 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:47.520 his ankle, and. 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:49.760 Then Kamala flees away. 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:55.040 As she's fleeing, damage Control springs its trap using drones, 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.440 which I was very surprised to see, Like this is 0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:58.759 like mysterio tech. 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:04.719 Is this what's happening on like steels very stark, which, yeah, 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:06.200 we know that we need to be. 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:09.760 Laying the groundwork for armores. So the idea of people 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:14.240 having stark tech that someone like Roady would not agree 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:18.240 with them using in certain ways I feel like profiling 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:23.640 and you know, illegally watching marginalized communities of color. Roady 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.400 probably wouldn't be down with that. So this could definitely 0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:31.719 be a kind of early nod to where the technology 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:32.919 has gone since Tony died. 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.560 Kamala takes out the drones. 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:41.080 She's running away, but she she's getting blocked in by 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:42.360 damage control. 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:44.280 They're waiting for her at the end of this alley. 0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:48.399 She creates her heart light, steps, steps up over them, 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.759 jumps down on the other side into the street. And 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:55.040 who should pull up but Camraan in a Porsche. This 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:58.359 kid drives a Porsche. He says it's not his, it's 0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.479 his uncles. But still a kid driving a Porsche, which 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:03.680 should have been a red flag earlier, and now here's 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.399 a bigger red flag. Kamala gets in the car, car 0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:09.760 pulls away. In the back seat, there's a mysterious woman 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.280 and it's the woman from the vision and she says, Kamala, 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:14.000 I've been waiting a very long time to meet you, 0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:21.319 and Camraon is like, that's my mom. Is this Aisha 0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:24.040 Kamala's great grandmother. 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:29.319 Tune in next week to find out. Bob, Bob, Bob. 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.920 I love this episode of the Central Mystery. So good 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.799 is so good? I love that. 0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.640 I love the appearance of Camraan what it means for 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:46.120 for the Bruno friendship slash potential romantic relationship because I 0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:48.759 love a love triangle that makes it really juicy. And 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:52.359 then the fact that man, this woman that Kamala has 0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:57.359 been having visions of is his mother. Okay, who are 0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:03.640 these people? Let's let's quickly fear Okay, who are these people? 0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:05.920 I think that I think Ayisha is her grandma, but 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.440 she's looking great grandma, but she's looking very young. So 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.120 we can assume some kind of power situation. We have 0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:15.560 already suggested that camp may have powers. I have to 0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:19.960 say so, I think that him and Kamala are going 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:23.040 to end up being related. And I think it's just 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:28.719 they used a very mean tactic, which was knowing that 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:30.960 he was handsome to kind of lull her in because 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.120 earlier on in the episode, they go on a kind 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:35.200 of half date where they meet in a diner and 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.920 it feels like something's there, and then they have to 0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:41.560 cover up by saying that he is their cousin. So 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.000 I feel like it all ties into this idea that 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.799 this is basically going to be We're going to find 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.759 out that there is a side of Kamala's family that 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.360 has powers, and I believe that actually would make a 0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:57.120 lot of sense because in the comics her brother actually 0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:01.480 gets powers as well at one point via an inhuman 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.640 style situation which we know is not going to hear, 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:07.000 which we do is not going to happen here, So 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:09.080 it would make sense if this was a legacy power 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.160 that could maybe be connected to by more than one 0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:15.120 family member once they accept it. I'm very this show 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:18.840 has been so wonderfully balanced so far for me, between 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:24.120 the action and the family and the lived experience, and 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:27.440 I love how they touch on these like deeper, more 0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:31.560 important topics while still giving Kamala this overly stylized teen 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:35.759 movie life. Are we very interested to see how in 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:40.080 the third episode you continue that balance while starting to 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:44.200 expand on this central mystery of the band and her 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:46.759 family and what it all means and who has the 0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:48.840 other band? Because we can assume that there's going to 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:49.440 be two. 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.319 There's got to be too. They can everyone. There's got 0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:52.680 to be too. 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:53.480 There's got to be too. 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.479 I'm really loving this. I'm really loving the show. Can't 0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:00.880 wait to see the next episode updxed We Want Kenobi 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:04.600 Part five, written by Joby Harold and Andrew Statten and 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:07.720 directed by Deborah Chow. We open a Corossant to Jedi 0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:11.200 Temple flashback to before the fall of the Jedi O 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:15.680 We Want Kenobi. Uh finds his padawan, Anakin Skywalker, on 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:19.879 a balcony. He's looking out over the skyline of Corossant 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:25.440 and he says, I was beginning to think you weren't coming, Master, 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:30.360 And I love the pause before saying Master says so 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:37.600 much because in that pause is the growing wilfulness and 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:43.560 loaded term for Star Wars but rebelliousness of Anakin Skywalker, 0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:46.920 who is already thinking is this guy really worthy of 0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:47.600 being my Master? 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.000 I think I'm better than him. 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:52.160 I also think it's like this really good. I have 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:53.879 to say this. This is a this is a really 0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:57.000 fun episode. But these flashbacks which we had, by the way, 0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:58.880 we're right. We knew that was going to be flashbacks. 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.919 He said that was going to be flash I think 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:05.319 there's so much powerful storytelling done in those moments, and 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:07.160 they do a really great job of building out on 0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:10.880 that Anakin obi Wan relationship. And something I love about 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.600 it is it's a mixture. I totally agree with you 0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.000 that it's this like wilfulness and this kind of like 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.680 he's already questioning, But I also think it's this like 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:23.680 really deep closeness. This is his friend, this is like 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:27.560 his brother. So it's kind of that it's the two 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:31.640 sides of Anakin, like you wouldn't like they've been so 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:34.400 close and together for so long. Is it weird to 0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:37.080 call him master? So I think there's all these layers 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.799 to it that they do in such a good way, 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.440 because those are the two sides of Anakin that, especially 0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:45.120 in this episode in this series, are defining him, which 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.040 is this closeness that he had to obi Wan, but 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:51.359 the way obi Wan failed him and how the path 0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:53.600 of the Dark Side tore them apart. I just I 0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:56.799 and also have to say, I think they used a 0:40:56.960 --> 0:41:00.040 very perfect amount of deaging because. 0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.360 Just look, it was just the right amount. 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:06.440 It look, Hayden looked a little bit older. But I 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:10.239 was okay with it. Guys, it looks good. I I was, 0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:17.200 It looked exactly the same. I just I feel like 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.080 we were all waiting for these kind of this reunion 0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.080 of this era for them, and so I love to 0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:24.239 see it. I love to see it. 0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:26.319 I love to see it too. Uh. 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:31.920 They the pair ignite their lightsabers and they are about 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:34.880 to launch into a duel. We flash forward too years later. 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:38.479 Darth Vader is on his flagship. He is staring out 0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:41.520 now into the vastness of space, much like he once 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.360 was years ago, looking out over the skyline of courseant 0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:48.120 and it's clear from the way that cut happens that 0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:52.080 Darth slash Anakin is remembering these. 0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:56.040 This is his life. 0:41:56.320 --> 0:42:00.960 As as he grows closer towards how they Obi wan 0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:05.200 Kenobi in his clutches, he's thinking about these moments that 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.040 they shared together in the past. 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:10.600 Reva comes before him and she is fucking pumped up. 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:12.680 She's stoked, Lord Vader. 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:16.640 I gotta tell you, it is such a fucking honor 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.480 to be on your flagship. It's it smells great. What 0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:22.239 is that for, breeze? It smells great in here. 0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:24.239 I love it. I love what you did with the 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:28.560 plays where you auste. You're looking great, You're looking great. 0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:32.320 Things on this is awesome. 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:34.839 And by the way, that tracker thing, when I tell 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.000 you it worked, it fucking worked. Obi Lan Toler on 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:42.520 route to Jabim and Vader's like, great work, Neil. He 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:47.120 awards her the thing that she has been aiming for 0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:50.759 all these years. We think, put a pin in that 0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:53.040 we'll come back to it a little later. It is 0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:54.640 the position of Grand Inquisitor. 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:56.640 Huge day for Reva. He gives it a little. 0:42:56.480 --> 0:43:01.080 Pin that signifies you are now the Grand Inquisitor and stop, folks, Jabam. 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:06.960 On Jabam, Rocan's cruiser arrives. Several dozen refugees are there 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:10.320 waiting in the hangar bay, including children and families, and 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:13.440 they all meet the ship. Roken comes out to just 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:17.640 say we got her, we saved her. Absolutely zero mention 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:21.680 of our good friend Wade. Sorry it died at the battle. 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:24.920 Can't even can't even get it. 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:31.759 By the way, we lost Wade all Pete Wade, I love. 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:38.880 Comsolutely, just continuing the tradition of like just absolute dozen 0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:43.080 matt deaths in Star Wars. There's like collateral damage of 0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:46.520 the rebellion. Sorry, babe, you can't learn. No one's gonna 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:47.359 think about. 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:52.200 Someone, can one person? Shit a single fucking tear for Wade. 0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:54.759 Cried about Wade last week and that was it. 0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:58.320 Now it's like everyone's moved on anyway. 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:03.440 We we we really knew him. Wait, but we remember you. 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:08.160 Obi finds Hadja amongst the refugees and he says, I 0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:11.520 had nowhere else to go, and also, I'm a wanted man. 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:13.400 The Empires is looking. 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.240 For me now. But you know I'm here on Jabim. 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.040 I'm on the path and you know what I see. 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:22.680 I see credit signs. I see a juicy business opportunity 0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:26.480 along with an opportunity to help people. 0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:28.560 So that's what Haja is up to. 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.879 Obie talks to Rocan about, Hey, I got to get 0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.319 back to alder On because there's we got Leya now, 0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:36.600 and there's this whole other thing that I have to do. 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:40.400 But Rokin says, okay, first things first, all these folks, 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:42.640 all these refugees here, they need to get out of here. 0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:46.960 They've been waiting for months for a safe window to 0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:51.200 leave in and they had to delay that because you know, 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:54.440 we needed to go get Princess Leah, and I acknowledge 0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.560 that that was very, very important, But now the window 0:44:57.640 --> 0:44:59.680 is fast closing and we got to get them out 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:01.480 of here. Obie looks around, he looks at all the 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:06.680 beleaguered faces, all the family members that are, you know, 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.000 hanging by the edge of their courage, and Obi's like, 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:11.920 we're gonna help them, We're gonna do it, but Vader 0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:15.160 is fast approaching. He orders Reva to use Lola to 0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:18.719 hack the security system on Jabeam and lock down the 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.440 stronghold that the refugees are in. 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:23.399 Lola goes to work. 0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:29.480 Meanwhile, Obi notices some graffiti on the wall there in 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:32.120 the in the Path complex and it says the light 0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:35.480 will fade but has never forgotten. There's some other stuff 0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:39.840 on there that you notice that is confirmation of various 0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:40.680 Legends things. 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:42.000 What did you find, Rosie Knight. 0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:46.600 Yes, there is some Legends characters in Aura. Besh Dan 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:49.759 Casey Atnetics actually has found like way more so. They 0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:52.000 have a really good Easter Eggs breakdown. But there's like 0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:55.520 Corwyn Shalby who's an NBC from Star Wars MPG that 0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:59.120 became part of Legends. Jedi trained after the page Drake 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:02.640 Logan or Logane from an old Star Wars webcomic that 0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:05.000 was released around the time of the Clone Wars, who 0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:08.440 was a Jedi padawan. And then there's a Tiberis which 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:12.360 is probably made like Tiberus, and Lock, which is maybe Tiberus, 0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.719 who was from the Star Wars Galaxies game. So they're 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:18.600 really building in. It's it's interesting. It's like they're building 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:20.960 this stuff in and saying, hey, this is canon, but 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.600 how much will they bring it? Because like, I know 0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:25.600 a lot of people were really hoping to see Quinlan 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:29.239 here in the path, you know, and it's not something 0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:32.440 that we've seen. So it's it's it's still really exciting though, 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.680 and the Ara Besh is really fun because like everyone 0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:38.520 is getting together after watching the episodes and like teaming 0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:43.400 up to like source code like Ara Besh translations. 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:49.680 Right near this graffiti OBCs a cache of of Jedi stuff. 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:53.840 There's no better way to say it. There's a small 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:58.160 crate there that has various lightsabers in it. Nearby, he 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:02.680 finds some Jedi ro ubes or as obi Wan would 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:05.040 call them, my disguise when I'm trying to pretend not 0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:05.760 to be a Jedi. 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:09.080 Now I've found all this I found all. 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:12.840 This stuff interesting because how do we think, what do 0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:15.400 we think happened here? Did Jedis who were on the 0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:19.800 run come to Jubim as a stop on the path 0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:22.920 and say, okay, I have to get rid of all 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:25.480 my Jedi shit because this marks me as a target. 0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:27.160 I'm giving I'm leaving it all here. 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:32.400 Or did their loved ones take it there and deposit 0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:34.880 it there after their loved ones were killed in the 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:38.360 purge or some other way. I'm a little bit I 0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:40.560 want to know more about how this stuff got here. 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.120 Yeah, I totally agree. I think that's a really good point. 0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:44.799 I think it's going to inspire probably a lot of 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.200 fan fiction. I would love to know more about it 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:50.960 in a canon sense. My gut feeling says it was 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:55.799 Jedi who died either at the path helping people get there, 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:58.719 it was Oh so let's be real. This is one 0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:00.719 of those funny things about Stuf hours that we kind 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:03.279 of talk about how successful was Order sixty six nor 0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:11.440 very successful or is just hanging about there's just like lightsabers, 0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:13.719 like part of me is like some kids probably like 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:16.560 found one and bought it because like you know, we 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:18.960 ended up in the new trilogy with like one of 0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:21.000 the most important Lightsabers in the world was just in 0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:24.120 the basement of like a tavern. You know, it was 0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:25.920 in the right place. In the end, the Force does 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.640 what it does, you know. But like, I think that 0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:31.840 it's a it's likely. I think it's meant to be 0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:34.360 an evocative thing of like are they from dead Jedi. 0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:37.560 I also like the idea of like Jedis who chose 0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:40.600 to give up the way, because like there's always been 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:43.360 this notion of of Jedis who exist on both the 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:45.400 light side and the dark and who can use both. 0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:47.719 And I feel like they may have been the ones 0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:50.600 who would maybe lose hope in the Force, but they 0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:52.799 want to leave something for the people who come next. 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:55.840 So I thought it was very interesting. That was very interesting. 0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:58.600 It's such a great point about the Lightsabers. 0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:03.200 Because right that to add on to that, notably, you know, 0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:06.200 after the rise, directly after the Rise of the Empire, 0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:11.080 Grand Vizier of the Empire, Masa Beta like melted down 0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:17.719 like a thousand fucking lightsabers. Religion enough yeah, not enough apparently, 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:22.840 but then so Obi sees all this Jedi stuff, but 0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:27.400 then boom, the building goes into lockdown. Sully and Broken 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:29.880 are like, what's happening? We're not controlling this, and Brocan's like, 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.160 oh my god, there's an Imperial cruiser in orbit. And 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:35.120 then Obi Wan says, well, you know what that means. 0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:36.640 Darth Vader is here. So what do we do? 0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:41.480 Obi Wan tells them, Okay, Vader's next move is going 0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:44.800 to be just all out attack aggression. He doesn't have patience. 0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:47.200 He's not gonna wait to like starve us out. He's 0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:49.560 not gonna put up a siege and just wait for 0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:53.080 us to all die. He's gonna try and force his 0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:54.000 weight in here. 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:57.319 How do you know this, Obi Wan? 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:03.160 Well, long story flashback. Now back to the duel, and 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:07.960 it's another one of those teaching duels that we have 0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:12.319 seen Obi and Anakind fight over the years. Obi is 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:17.319 preaching patience and letting go to these kind of like 0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:21.000 specific dogmatic goals of victory. 0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:22.360 And winning whatever that means. 0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:28.799 That's not why the Jedi struggle, not to quote unquote win. 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:32.320 But Anakin is just like about competition, about that grind. 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:37.720 To him, every engagement, every relationship is a zero sum 0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:41.760 game of somebody's got to win and somebody's got to lose. 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:43.720 He wants to win at all costs. 0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:46.560 This is a classic Like, look, I love these characters. Yeah, 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:49.680 we both, we all love that. This is a classic moment. 0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:51.920 I've always been an op. I won't say When I 0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:53.680 was younger, I would have said a hater. I would 0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:56.400 say that now as an older, more seasoned person with 0:50:56.520 --> 0:51:00.279 more love in my heart, I'm obi Wan questioner, right, 0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:02.160 And this is one of those moments where I say, 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:05.319 obi Wan stop teaching him things during Jewels, he was 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:09.080 not noticing it. Like this kid loves fying, loves chopping 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:12.000 people with the lightsaber. Like, just drink some tea and 0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:15.719 have a chill conversation to channel it somewhere else, my friend, Like, 0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:17.240 this is not gonna end well. 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:22.759 More meditation, right, more Jedi meditation, less lightsabers. I think 0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:28.120 that's clearly one of the missteps from the training of 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:35.360 Anakin Skywalker. The Imperial assault begins, obi Obi Wan Kobi 0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:39.400 gives the worst pump up speech in the fucking history 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:46.000 of its veriginal speeches. Everyone, everyone, I understand you're scared. 0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:51.239 Everybody's looking around. Yeah, we're scared. The Empire will attack soon. 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:55.840 Now there's legitimate people fainting they're stronger than us. Somebody 0:51:55.920 --> 0:52:01.359 just wet their pants. Better equipped, better trained, if we 0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:02.440 will not survive? 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:05.000 Whoa, I can't wait to get into it, obi Wa. 0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:07.799 God, you know what I was like. I was like, 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:09.799 I'm not sure if we could fight the ampert. But 0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:12.600 now that you said we're gonna get fucking wiped out, 0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:15.240 I one hard. 0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:17.839 No on, Obi, what. 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:18.640 Are you doing? 0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:20.239 Why are you doing? Man? 0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:24.840 Like? Can you believe it? I've never heard a worst speech. 0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:28.319 He was so great, absolutely incredible. 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:30.359 God I've done. 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:33.680 This is not getting me inspired to do this thing 0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:34.600 that we gotta do. 0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:37.759 So can I just say he is like Charles exaving 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:41.120 our high level hair, Charles Xavier. Yeah, especially in the movies. 0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:44.040 If that guy turns up somewhere, your whole family's gonna die. 0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:46.919 Like wherever he can think about Logan. Yeah, he takes 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:49.239 them to that nice family they're looking at, and then 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:52.640 guess what, they all get murdered by evil evil Logan. 0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:52.960 Right. 0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:55.799 I just feel like, Obi Wan, you gotta do a 0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:58.919 much bad job because legitimately the only reason that these 0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:03.120 people more who have been waiting for months for safe passage, 0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:06.040 you came here with your no drama and now they 0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:07.680 are all gonna die and you can't even be like, 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:10.280 we're gonna do it. Guys, the force is with us. 0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:11.760 That's yes, thank you. 0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:17.520 Like to quote a great space captain and legendary smuggler, 0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:18.760 never tell me the odds. 0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:21.320 Fucking lie to me, please, obi. 0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:27.240 Wan, don't tell me now our own Chris Lord along 0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:30.040 with Mallory Rubin, when I raised these issues to do 0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:33.240 both of them in turn both said, okay, well, here's 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:36.239 the thing. Obi Wan's spent the last ten years like 0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:39.600 cutting fish and then living alone in a fucking cave. 0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:39.839 He does. 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:43.000 It's like, you know, after two years of pandemic and 0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:45.600 you know, a year and a half of lockdown, like 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:47.279 we didn't know how to talk to people. And that's 0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:48.080 absolutely right. 0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:48.680 I get it. 0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:53.160 It's it's weird talking to people and making you know, 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:57.359 inspiring pre battle speeches after you haven't done that for 0:53:57.480 --> 0:53:59.560 over a decade and all. And by the way, the 0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:02.040 last time you did that, you lost that war. I 0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:05.279 understand that's tough. At the same time, fucking read the room. 0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:09.520 We want everybody looks to. Everybody's terrified. 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:13.200 Don't don't end with we will not survive there. 0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:15.120 Are so many forced sensitive kids in this room. 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:16.759 Man, just do a little bit of inspiration. 0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:23.560 He ends, He ends on a stronger note. He closes strong, 0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:27.319 which is great. He says, listen, Yes, if we fight them, 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:30.960 we will all die. Okay, but we're not gonna fight 0:54:31.000 --> 0:54:34.799 them now. We're not gonna fight them. All we need 0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:40.320 to do is harden this facility, guard the points of entry, 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:43.719 and fight for every inch so we can buy time 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:45.640 so all of us can get on the ships and leave. 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:50.920 Great, okay, let's do that. And by the way, here. 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:55.600 In this moment is the birth of what is essentially 0:54:56.400 --> 0:55:01.080 the tried and true rebel alliance strategy that will carry 0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:05.440 that armed force throughout its long war against the empire. 0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:08.080 Shoot and scoot, we hit the empire, and then we 0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:10.600 get out of here. Whether it's hawth, this is what 0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:12.759 they did on Yavitt, this is what they did on 0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:17.960 Crate later in the later trilogies, it's hit and run. 0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:22.080 And here is legitimately, i think, the first example of 0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:26.480 that rebel strategy, although it's just what they have to 0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:29.080 do in this moment. So the refugees fly into action. 0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:32.600 The blast doors are barred and welded shut, broken, Sully 0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:37.600 and Obi are looking at various maps. Meanwhile, stormtroopers are 0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:40.040 a massing outside the gates and they've got heavy guns. 0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:42.000 Reva makes len fall. 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:44.600 She's here to command the assault from the ground while 0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:47.440 Darth Vader's up in his ship. They begin pounding the 0:55:47.440 --> 0:55:52.600 main blast door with that gigantic mounted blaster inside broken. 0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:54.239 It's like, man, we can't get the hangar doors open, 0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:57.360 so we can't actually the escape part, like the holding 0:55:57.400 --> 0:56:00.840 off part is going kind of okay, skate part is 0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:03.239 not going to work if we can't get these doors open. 0:56:03.239 --> 0:56:05.880 Hanja comes up and says, well, okay, it looks like 0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:07.719 the wiring runs through that vent. Why don't you go 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:10.480 up in the fucking vent and fix the wiringer and broke? 0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:13.719 It's like, man, I'm too big to go in there. 0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:16.120 Is that Princess Lea's music. 0:56:16.239 --> 0:56:19.719 Yes, it's Princess Lay's music. Ten year old Princess Lea 0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:20.600 is like, fucking I'll. 0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:21.440 Go up like. 0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:26.960 She's like, Galla ladder, a ladder, you fucking lose it. 0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:29.200 By the way, she doesn't say this, but you could 0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:30.040 tell she's thinking it. 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:34.120 Who fixes the doors when they break? Like when the 0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:37.680 astrog Yeah, where what's going on? 0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:40.759 Ben tells Hodja keep an eye on Lea. I have 0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:42.439 to go make a phone call. He runs out makes 0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:45.440 a phone call. It's Bail Organo aka Jimmy Baggs. I 0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:48.120 call him that because he keeps collecting those big bags 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:50.120 for being star Wars. 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:51.120 I love it. 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:53.439 He's calling from all around, of course, and he says, listen, 0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:56.799 I'm worried because you have left me on read for 0:56:57.080 --> 0:57:00.440 all this time since I contacted you about rescue Leah. 0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:02.399 You don't call me back. 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:04.840 I have no information about what's going on with I 0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:06.759 don't know if you're dead or alive, what's going on 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:08.960 with either of you? And if I don't hear back 0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:11.799 for you, I guess I gotta go to Tattooine to 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:15.200 check up on quote unquote the Boy aka Luke Skywalker, 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:17.800 because I know that Owen lars now is not gonna 0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:19.400 be able to do it. Where's by the way, no 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:23.480 mention of Beru, thanks a lot. Okay, guys, we can't disrespectful. 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:26.040 He not Actually, Brew doesn't need help. 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:26.960 He's like just Owen. 0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:29.680 Oh, it's kind of a mess. 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:32.840 He's a mess. He's very angry. Man. There's something really 0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:36.720 interesting here right, Honestly, I love bail Ghana, one of 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:40.160 my old time most flawless Star Wars characters. But don't 0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:43.480 say that on a communicator, please, even just the implication 0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:45.920 this is bad. Don't put it out that it's gonna 0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:46.640 end badly for you. 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:50.480 Leave it as a video voicemail, a hologram voicemail, like 0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:54.920 if you need to say that, yeah, don't, don't do that. Uh. 0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:56.680 And Ben is like, Ben gets. 0:57:56.440 --> 0:58:00.479 This and he's like, oh fuck, shit, things are going bad. 0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:04.040 Tala comes in and she's obviously anxious and very worried 0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:07.720 about these developments, you know, the Empire here and attacking 0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:10.240 and always like everything's going to be found. Tala then 0:58:10.280 --> 0:58:15.400 shares her own imperial or in sory. She was obviously 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.480 an imperial officer. She was part of a round up 0:58:17.520 --> 0:58:20.160 operation of four sensitive families that turned out to be 0:58:20.240 --> 0:58:24.240 a catch and kill, you know, offshoot of Order sixty six, 0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:28.640 basically a wipeout mass murder operation. 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:29.640 Uh. 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:33.480 And she says, of that, so now I do this, 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:39.320 and this means helping refugees escape from imperial clutches and 0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:43.000 killing imperial forces. Rocan then comes in. He's like, hey, 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:47.880 shit is hitting the fan. The blast door is holding 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:52.000 out but is getting warped by the barrage of this 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:52.880 heavy blaster. 0:58:53.760 --> 0:58:54.000 Uh. 0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:55.760 So it always like, okay, I gotta buya this even 0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:58.320 more time for the doorskit fix and everybody to escape. 0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:02.080 I am going to have one on one with Riva. 0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:04.080 And so he walks up to the door and they 0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:07.440 communicate using the force through the door. She's like, I 0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:08.439 know you're selling for time. 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:09.120 It won't work. 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:11.720 Vader wants to capture you, wants to torture you, and 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:13.640 he's here and he's not gonna be stopped and all 0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:17.439 that stuff. And then Obi is like, oh, interesting, how, 0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:20.800 by the way, how did you know that Anakin Skywalker 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:23.800 is Darth Vader. That's not a thing that anybody wants 0:59:23.800 --> 0:59:27.080 out there that certainly Vader would have wanted to keep 0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:28.880 that secret. How did you know? And then he works 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:31.920 it out. Ah, you were a youngling. You were at 0:59:31.960 --> 0:59:34.520 the temple on the night of Order sixty six. You 0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:39.160 saw Anakin mass murdering Ing. We got it right, Ingriva, 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:43.840 we got it absolutely right. Now small note, I actually 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:46.080 think you didn't need this mysterious reveal. 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:47.920 I think I think you could have gone. 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:50.080 I think you could have opened the same way with 0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:52.680 the with the flashback to Order sixty six and then 0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:54.680 smash cut the Riva and we get it, like, I 0:59:54.680 --> 0:59:57.000 don't think you needed to hide this. I think it 0:59:57.040 --> 1:00:01.880 made it a little too Like I don't understand Reva's truly, 1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:04.880 like what's going on inside of Riva? That said, here 1:00:04.920 --> 1:00:07.880 is a confirmation of what we and many other people 1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:10.480 were saying, and all of which is say we are right. 1:00:11.080 --> 1:00:15.480 Riva then says, heartbreakingly, we thought he was there helpless. 1:00:15.480 --> 1:00:17.680 We thought Anakin was there helpless, and of course he wasn't. 1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:21.520 He was there to kill everyone. She survived by pretending 1:00:21.560 --> 1:00:25.040 to be dead amongst the slain on the floor, feeling 1:00:25.080 --> 1:00:28.720 their bodies go cold. And it was her disgust at 1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:31.880 her own weakness, at her own inability to do anything 1:00:32.000 --> 1:00:35.680 about this, that has led her on the path to 1:00:35.720 --> 1:00:38.479 become more powerful, and thus led her on the path 1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:44.400 to becoming an inquisitor. And Obie realizes, Oh, so your 1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:47.800 quest to become the Grand Inquisitor is actually a mission 1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:51.040 to get closer to Vader so that over time, as 1:00:51.080 --> 1:00:53.480 his guard goes down, you will have the opportunity to 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:55.720 kill him. I'm right right, you want to take revenge. 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:59.680 He's absolutely right. And this is real sith rule of 1:00:59.760 --> 1:01:02.200 one type ideology. 1:01:02.240 --> 1:01:03.440 This is how it happens. 1:01:04.200 --> 1:01:09.160 It's not that you know and a Sith takes uh, 1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:13.960 you know, takes a learner, and that person then becomes 1:01:14.000 --> 1:01:15.640 so evil that they kill their master. 1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:18.280 It's they're so tortured. 1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:23.880 And and and uh and mistreated by their master that 1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:27.560 they feel like, I have to stop this person because 1:01:27.840 --> 1:01:30.200 that's doing good, Like it would actually be a good 1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:32.480 deed for me to kill this person. So I have 1:01:32.480 --> 1:01:35.040 to become powerful enough to do it. And that is 1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:36.560 how the dark side seduces you. 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:38.520 Yeah, I think that's such a good point, and I 1:01:38.560 --> 1:01:40.760 it's I totally get what you mean. I I like, 1:01:41.400 --> 1:01:45.400 I really love the revenge. I think that is the 1:01:45.440 --> 1:01:47.720 smartest twist. I think we all knew she was a 1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:52.000 youngling like that was that was clear, but she moses 1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:53.880 is great and to hear her talking about it and 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:56.760 invote those kind of horrible memories and that nod like 1:01:56.800 --> 1:01:58.760 you said back to you know, the first kid who 1:01:58.840 --> 1:02:03.840 sees Anakin come in, Master Master Skywalker, Oh you're getting 1:02:04.640 --> 1:02:08.280 like you're dead, And it was really and I really like, 1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:13.480 I just really like the revenge aspect, But in respect 1:02:14.160 --> 1:02:16.680 to Reva, who I do rate and I rate this 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:20.600 as a motivation much more than joining the Jedi to like, 1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:22.720 like joining the inquisitors to kill your own people. That's 1:02:22.760 --> 1:02:25.040 messed up, But revenge I can get down with it. 1:02:25.080 --> 1:02:28.120 But I feel like there was multiple times that she 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:33.360 could have already killed Anakin and she could have just 1:02:33.400 --> 1:02:36.480 been like the classic like you put it. You're like, oh, 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:38.480 you're gonna put it through the tummy or something like. 1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:41.200 But you know what Reva is a She is a 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:44.680 dramatic person who likes to create an event. As we 1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:46.960 are about to find out, because one of the moments 1:02:47.000 --> 1:02:49.560 that you were cracking me up so much about is 1:02:49.600 --> 1:02:51.280 about to come up right now. 1:02:53.040 --> 1:02:55.320 Well, yeah, let's talk about these issues more in a bit, 1:02:55.360 --> 1:02:59.560 because I've really been thinking so much about the way 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:08.560 Star Wars frames power and makes us empathize with people 1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:11.880 who have power. But let's table that for a second. 1:03:12.560 --> 1:03:17.280 Ben then makes a pitch Terariva, Hey, team up, like together, 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:19.280 we can take him down. We can put a stop 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:22.120 to this. I can help you do it. And Reva 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:24.040 turns it around. It's like where were you that night? 1:03:24.360 --> 1:03:24.840 Where were you? 1:03:25.200 --> 1:03:27.640 He was your PoTA on what were you question this? 1:03:28.400 --> 1:03:34.800 Obie has absolutely no answer. Then Riva cuts through the gate, 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:36.360 the blast gate with. 1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:38.680 Drama. 1:03:38.960 --> 1:03:43.440 Folks, Folks, why did we fucking set. 1:03:43.320 --> 1:03:48.760 Up minutes or something like away wasting. 1:03:48.280 --> 1:03:50.800 Amble with the heavy blust to get in there with 1:03:50.880 --> 1:03:51.560 the lightsaber? 1:03:51.640 --> 1:03:54.480 Cut the fucking door open? Jesus, what are we doing? 1:03:55.560 --> 1:03:58.680 Maybe I will say this is I'm I'm building a 1:03:58.720 --> 1:04:02.000 reading of Reva with some actions that she takes where 1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:06.600 it doesn't necessarily fully cohesively gel with what we saw 1:04:06.600 --> 1:04:08.280 of her in the first few episodes, where she was 1:04:08.400 --> 1:04:12.280 so yeah, just ruthless with the power that she wanted 1:04:12.280 --> 1:04:13.800 to have, that she was going to talk to a baby. 1:04:13.880 --> 1:04:18.200 But I do believe I feel like maybe the reason 1:04:18.200 --> 1:04:19.960 that she didn't do it straight away is because she 1:04:20.080 --> 1:04:23.400 didn't want the stormtroopers and the weapons to end up 1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:26.680 getting to the children and the rebels. And I feel 1:04:26.720 --> 1:04:28.480 like there's a couple of moments here where they lean 1:04:28.520 --> 1:04:33.439 into that but still narratively absolutely hilarious moment and I'm 1:04:33.480 --> 1:04:34.480 just like reading, what. 1:04:34.440 --> 1:04:34.880 Are you doing? 1:04:34.960 --> 1:04:35.240 Baby? 1:04:35.600 --> 1:04:38.400 Walk up, walk up and slice the door and then 1:04:38.480 --> 1:04:39.400 we're inside. 1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:42.000 I know they also have more than one lightsaber in 1:04:42.040 --> 1:04:44.040 that cruise. Yeah, we know it. We know there's a 1:04:44.080 --> 1:04:45.040 lot of lightsabers. 1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:47.479 Big fight pops off. 1:04:47.520 --> 1:04:51.320 Obi uses the force to UH to push Reaver back 1:04:51.480 --> 1:04:54.720 outside the gate. And here we're seeing that Obi Wan 1:04:54.760 --> 1:04:58.440 Kenobi's connection with the forces is rejuvenated. It's growing stronger 1:04:58.480 --> 1:05:01.600 by the moment as he's reading scovered his mission to 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:03.160 do good, to help people. 1:05:03.680 --> 1:05:03.919 Uh. 1:05:03.960 --> 1:05:08.200 And here we see a battle for every single inch 1:05:08.240 --> 1:05:11.880 of the facility, the the the the rebels, we're just 1:05:11.920 --> 1:05:13.640 gonna call them rebels, even though they don't think of 1:05:13.720 --> 1:05:16.120 themselves as quite that yet and they're not quite organized 1:05:16.120 --> 1:05:18.800 to do it. But this is this is the beginning 1:05:18.920 --> 1:05:22.040 of the ideology of the Rebel alliance. They are outgunned, 1:05:22.040 --> 1:05:25.880 but they're absolutely courageous, fighting and falling back all the 1:05:25.920 --> 1:05:30.000 while towards the hangarbay. Meanwhile, Leah is up in the 1:05:30.080 --> 1:05:33.480 vent and she's struggling to figure out, Okay, what the 1:05:34.160 --> 1:05:37.360 where's the breaker, where's the right one? And also I 1:05:37.800 --> 1:05:41.160 have to mention broken the vent is not that small. 1:05:41.640 --> 1:05:43.960 The door to it is like smallish, But once you're 1:05:44.000 --> 1:05:46.360 in the space, there's a lot of space. 1:05:47.520 --> 1:05:52.439 Like Leya is could standing up like could you could? 1:05:52.480 --> 1:05:54.560 They not have like sent up broken to like tell 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:59.440 her about how it works inside old and she's just 1:05:59.520 --> 1:06:01.040 like driggs. 1:06:00.880 --> 1:06:05.440 I mean, but still, you bro can get up there 1:06:05.480 --> 1:06:07.080 and be like, yeah, I think it's over by that. 1:06:07.200 --> 1:06:10.080 Why are you standing by the fucking button helping no one? 1:06:10.200 --> 1:06:12.520 Just being like you got it yet? You gotta know 1:06:12.720 --> 1:06:15.040 she's deen help her out. 1:06:17.000 --> 1:06:17.440 Anyway. 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:20.640 In the fight, Tala falls and this is heartbreaking. 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:24.880 Her loyal droid need Be then shields her with its 1:06:24.920 --> 1:06:31.960 body shades of Ktuso on SCAA. Tala then makes the 1:06:32.120 --> 1:06:37.000 ultimate sacrifice, detonating a grenade, killing herself in a squad 1:06:37.040 --> 1:06:40.880 of stormtroopers. But the sacrifice is absolutely crucial because it 1:06:40.960 --> 1:06:45.880 buys minutes that the rebels absolutely need to get away. 1:06:45.880 --> 1:06:47.800 Obi and the refugees are now falling back to the 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:51.520 very very last position to the hangar. Bay Leah is 1:06:52.000 --> 1:06:54.760 up in the vent and again she's only ten, but 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:56.720 she's kind of choking. 1:06:56.440 --> 1:07:00.880 Here and is getting a little touchy. They're like, hey, 1:07:01.120 --> 1:07:01.680 how's it going. 1:07:01.720 --> 1:07:07.480 She's like, I'm looking okay, listen, Prince Lea, I get it. 1:07:08.040 --> 1:07:10.640 You're put in a really tough position. No one is 1:07:10.680 --> 1:07:13.880 really helping you find the breaker. But like, can we 1:07:13.920 --> 1:07:16.200 tone down the attitude because people are dying down. 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:18.440 Like, people are getting fucking murdered down here. 1:07:18.880 --> 1:07:21.480 So we're everyone's just like a little hot about when 1:07:21.600 --> 1:07:21.880 is the. 1:07:22.160 --> 1:07:23.720 When are you going to figure out where the fucking 1:07:23.760 --> 1:07:24.280 breaker is. 1:07:24.320 --> 1:07:25.320 I'm not blaming. 1:07:25.720 --> 1:07:27.960 I'm not blaming You're not blaming anybody. 1:07:28.000 --> 1:07:31.160 It is Also it is also how droid, which is 1:07:31.680 --> 1:07:35.440 close with this whole time, so like, very please observe 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:36.120 the jeord. 1:07:36.320 --> 1:07:39.120 Also, did you not like the eyes of the droid 1:07:39.160 --> 1:07:40.680 were very, very obviously red. 1:07:40.720 --> 1:07:41.960 Did that not raise it? 1:07:44.000 --> 1:07:46.320 They are corrupted, crystal red. 1:07:46.480 --> 1:07:50.160 Like please, We're gonna need to unpack this when this 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:52.840 is all over. But that's we're in an emergency right now, 1:07:52.880 --> 1:07:55.800 so let's just keep going with the facility breached. Vader 1:07:55.920 --> 1:08:01.480 is like, all right, everybody, time out, I'm coach, Vader 1:08:01.600 --> 1:08:02.400 is coming down. 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:04.880 I am getting on the field. I'm putting myself at 1:08:04.880 --> 1:08:06.320 the game. We get another flashback. 1:08:07.000 --> 1:08:11.800 Anakin has now cornered his master against the balcony balustrade 1:08:12.200 --> 1:08:16.160 and batters him to the ground, but Obi won't admit defeat. 1:08:16.360 --> 1:08:17.320 We go back to the present. 1:08:17.400 --> 1:08:21.439 Obi, much to the contrary, is coming to a quite 1:08:21.439 --> 1:08:25.160 different conclusion about this battle on Jabeim. He decides, you 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:29.640 know what, we can't win this. I am going to 1:08:29.720 --> 1:08:31.920 give myself to Vader and maybe that'll stop the carns. 1:08:31.960 --> 1:08:34.280 Broken is like, no, don't, which I was like broken. 1:08:34.439 --> 1:08:34.679 Wait. 1:08:35.040 --> 1:08:38.040 First of all, yesterday you were like, get this fucking 1:08:38.120 --> 1:08:41.240 Jedi out of here, and now this Jedi is like, well, 1:08:41.280 --> 1:08:44.040 I'm gonna I'm just gonna give myself to Vader and 1:08:44.040 --> 1:08:47.200 maybe that and now you're like don't Haja can't. 1:08:46.960 --> 1:08:49.880 Believe it either. Obi wants just don't worry. Don't worry 1:08:49.920 --> 1:08:50.960 about it. Uh. 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:55.040 Then and truly like you crazy for this one obi 1:08:55.040 --> 1:08:58.840 Wan move. He gives up his blaster, lightsaber and cell phone. 1:08:59.040 --> 1:09:00.640 Cell phone is the most important. 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:01.720 You know that. 1:09:02.000 --> 1:09:04.240 Everything else you have the force, but the cell phone. 1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:06.639 Just keep it tucked in this side. Too many robe pockets, 1:09:06.720 --> 1:09:07.240 obi Wan. 1:09:07.920 --> 1:09:11.000 Or take your lightsaber and destroy it. You've got the information. 1:09:11.160 --> 1:09:13.160 Don't let this fall into anybody's hands. 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:14.120 Just any deletes it. 1:09:14.160 --> 1:09:15.320 I'm sure there's an option on that. 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:18.320 Yeah, there's gonna be a delete. Uh. 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:21.679 He goes over and he surrenders. Stormtroopers present him to Reva. 1:09:21.720 --> 1:09:25.040 Reva says, hey, guess what daddy Vader's on his way. 1:09:25.479 --> 1:09:25.639 Uh. 1:09:25.680 --> 1:09:29.920 And then Obi then says the absolute hardest line in 1:09:29.960 --> 1:09:32.400 the entire episode, bringing him to me. 1:09:33.120 --> 1:09:36.840 I'm bringing him to you. Oh. 1:09:37.000 --> 1:09:39.679 Now here Obi Wan is making a very very smart play, 1:09:40.240 --> 1:09:42.760 using almost sith. 1:09:42.720 --> 1:09:45.080 Like seduction techniques, right but for good. 1:09:45.160 --> 1:09:51.160 Here he says, Hey, getting in touch now with Reva's feelings, 1:09:51.160 --> 1:09:55.120 but from the light side, right her hopefully still intact 1:09:55.160 --> 1:09:58.040 instinct to protect the defensees. Hey, there's kids in here, 1:09:58.080 --> 1:10:00.360 there's families in here. You don't let Anakin do again. 1:10:00.640 --> 1:10:04.320 You're gonna murder kids again. We can end this together. 1:10:05.680 --> 1:10:09.800 I should add there are two hundred Stormtroopers watching this 1:10:09.880 --> 1:10:13.479 conversation too, talking loud. 1:10:13.840 --> 1:10:19.480 Did we did we? Did we not just see them? 1:10:20.040 --> 1:10:23.080 Did we not just see them communicating via the force? 1:10:23.280 --> 1:10:27.920 They could have just been having a little you know what, 1:10:28.160 --> 1:10:31.360 This does play into one of my absolute favorite favorite 1:10:31.400 --> 1:10:34.000 like Star Wars things, which is just like Stormtroopers are 1:10:34.040 --> 1:10:38.479 like so sick of everyone ship. They don't fucking defeat 1:10:38.520 --> 1:10:40.880 Darth Vader. This ship is annoying, Like I want to go. 1:10:41.040 --> 1:10:45.960 They're just like they're just talking about like critters and stuff. 1:10:46.040 --> 1:10:47.880 That the longer it went on, I was like, you 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:49.880 got to be joking. I was like, you two are 1:10:49.920 --> 1:10:52.880 not even whispering. I was like, this, this is going 1:10:52.920 --> 1:10:53.720 to end badly for you. 1:10:54.960 --> 1:10:59.200 Uh So, Reva doesn't say yes to the pitch of 1:10:59.280 --> 1:11:02.360 let's take down, but she says, okay, but what do 1:11:02.400 --> 1:11:06.599 we do if Vader is expecting us to do that? 1:11:06.720 --> 1:11:10.360 Like that's this is all some elaborate ruse. Ben is like, don't. 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:15.720 Worry, he will be so laser focused on me. 1:11:17.200 --> 1:11:19.519 He won't notice anything else, which is actually a pretty 1:11:19.520 --> 1:11:23.720 good point stormtroopers. Then the stormtroopers then escort obi Wan 1:11:23.880 --> 1:11:28.360 back inside the facility. Okay, table that detail for now. 1:11:28.520 --> 1:11:31.320 We go back to another flashback. Ben escapes the corner. 1:11:31.600 --> 1:11:36.160 He Anakin smashes the lightsaber out of obi Wan's hands, 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:40.400 disarming him, but Anakin's lust for winning has blinded him 1:11:40.920 --> 1:11:43.840 to really what the Jedi's true weapon is, which is 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:47.400 themselves and their desire to. 1:11:47.439 --> 1:11:49.840 Do good and to protect people into uphold the light. 1:11:50.200 --> 1:11:53.120 Vader arrives on Jabim in the present day and he's like, 1:11:53.160 --> 1:11:54.519 where the fuck is Obi Wan? 1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:57.840 What happened? Do we not just have him? You had him? Really? 1:11:57.920 --> 1:12:01.439 What where you didn't you said? You just said you 1:12:01.439 --> 1:12:04.000 had him. You just texted me I got him? Is 1:12:04.040 --> 1:12:04.559 that not you? 1:12:04.840 --> 1:12:08.080 And then Reeva's like, now he's in the facility with 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:12.679 the two stormtroopers that we're escorting him in the facility, 1:12:12.720 --> 1:12:15.160 and then he got away and you gotta go chase 1:12:15.240 --> 1:12:17.000 him cause he's in there. Vader's like, fine, I'll go 1:12:17.040 --> 1:12:22.360 get him. Meanwhile, Ben is running towards the hangarbay. Leah 1:12:22.520 --> 1:12:26.360 finally in the event notices her good friend Lola. This 1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:31.800 is crazy shit. Here's Lola glowing red eyes right near 1:12:31.880 --> 1:12:35.439 the circuitry that has been fucking sabotaged that is keeping 1:12:35.439 --> 1:12:38.760 them from escaping. And Leah's like, oh, Lola, what are 1:12:38.800 --> 1:12:41.240 you doing here? How about like fucking everything up? 1:12:41.400 --> 1:12:41.639 Lea? 1:12:42.439 --> 1:12:43.719 I realized that, Leah. 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:45.800 I love you. I love your short legs and your 1:12:45.840 --> 1:12:46.840 force fast running. 1:12:47.040 --> 1:12:47.439 I love you. 1:12:47.520 --> 1:12:51.840 But but but but in every other episode, this droid 1:12:51.880 --> 1:12:54.760 has been at your side. You are putting people's lives 1:12:54.760 --> 1:12:56.920 at risk for the joy. You love the droid. You 1:12:56.920 --> 1:12:58.840 look at the droid, you take everywhere with you. That 1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:00.640 is how they were able to put a try. But 1:13:00.840 --> 1:13:03.320 now the droid does a stranger. The droid is a 1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:07.000 mifty where's the droid who's how did it take her 1:13:07.040 --> 1:13:10.360 this long? I do not lie unless the droid had 1:13:10.400 --> 1:13:12.559 some kind of like the droid actually like had a 1:13:12.640 --> 1:13:15.479 scythe inside of it. That was like, fucking how would 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:16.240 the docks I'm. 1:13:16.120 --> 1:13:21.160 Sorry shock it. Leah sees Lola and is like, oh, Lola, hi, honey, 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:23.639 where you been? Like what are you doing in this event? 1:13:23.720 --> 1:13:25.919 It's so weird that you're here where. 1:13:25.720 --> 1:13:28.840 All the equipment is in sabotage and honestly would not 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:31.920 have realized despite the glowing red eyes, except Lola then 1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:35.760 attacks her and she grabs she She grabs Lola and 1:13:35.800 --> 1:13:38.880 sees that it's got this bitty restraining well, this is very, 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:41.559 very the smallest restraining bolt that has ever been put 1:13:41.560 --> 1:13:42.000 on a droid. 1:13:42.320 --> 1:13:46.519 She takes it off and that fixes. That fixes stuff. 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:50.479 Lola's eyes all of a sudden turned blue and then 1:13:50.520 --> 1:13:53.240 Princess Lea is able to fix the doors. Doors are 1:13:53.280 --> 1:13:55.479 now open. The refugees are making a run for the 1:13:55.520 --> 1:13:59.560 transport ships. Ben arrives and is escorting Laya to the transport, 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:02.400 but Vader is hot on their heels, and when Vader 1:14:02.439 --> 1:14:04.720 gets into the hangar bay, he sees one of these 1:14:04.760 --> 1:14:07.040 cruisers taking off it's about to take off. 1:14:06.880 --> 1:14:07.759 And then, in an. 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:16.320 Indible display of strength and dark side power and will, 1:14:16.479 --> 1:14:20.439 Vader reaches out with the force pulls the ship back 1:14:20.479 --> 1:14:25.519 down as its thrusters are struggling mightily to have it. 1:14:25.640 --> 1:14:28.519 To have the ship power the ship out out of orbit, 1:14:28.800 --> 1:14:32.240 Vader pulls it down. It lands with a thud. He 1:14:32.439 --> 1:14:36.559 tears open the doors, peers inside the ship. But guess 1:14:36.600 --> 1:14:39.439 what the ship was a decoy There's another ship. That 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:42.479 ship flies away and Vader is now like in force 1:14:42.600 --> 1:14:45.719 cool down for fifteen seconds or thirty seconds or whatever, 1:14:45.800 --> 1:14:48.240 and he just is too exhausted to do anything about it. 1:14:48.479 --> 1:14:51.360 And ben in the fucking rebels have escaped. We go 1:14:51.479 --> 1:14:55.559 back to our duel on Coruscant in the past. Obie 1:14:56.439 --> 1:15:02.200 dodges Anakin's attacks using the force. He takes Anakin's lightsaber 1:15:02.520 --> 1:15:05.240 and says, you're a great warrior, Anakin, but your need 1:15:05.280 --> 1:15:09.200 to prove yourself as you're undoing in this moment. The 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:14.080 lesson is clearly accepted by Anakin Skywalker, but as we 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:17.400 know from the life of Anakin Skywalker slash Darth Vader 1:15:17.880 --> 1:15:22.120 definitely not learned. He definitely did not internalize this. As 1:15:22.240 --> 1:15:26.360 Vader is breathing heavy because he's just exerted like mega 1:15:26.360 --> 1:15:28.640 mega mega force powers, and he's staring up at this 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:31.080 ship that is now flying away from him, powerless to 1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:34.679 stop it, even though there is an Imperial fucking cruiser 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:38.080 up there somewhere. Apparently nothing can be done. Reva then 1:15:38.320 --> 1:15:41.400 chooses this moment to sneak up and try to backstap Vader. 1:15:41.680 --> 1:15:42.920 Guess how that fucking goes? 1:15:43.040 --> 1:15:45.559 Well, she yells, that's my biggest from that. She does 1:15:45.560 --> 1:15:49.200 a martial arts movie. Yell that is done so that 1:15:49.360 --> 1:15:51.760 for choreography, right, and martial arts movies. You yell so 1:15:51.800 --> 1:15:53.160 you know where you're coming from, so you can hit, 1:15:53.200 --> 1:15:55.800 so you can find It's incredible. My bat my dear, 1:15:56.080 --> 1:15:58.680 my dear, Reva, you could have just been quiet and 1:15:58.720 --> 1:16:00.000 stabbed him this again. 1:16:00.360 --> 1:16:05.000 Also yeah, Also when he's like using all of his 1:16:05.280 --> 1:16:07.440 might to hold on to the ship. 1:16:07.200 --> 1:16:09.679 And pull it back down to Jami. Yeah, right, then 1:16:10.160 --> 1:16:11.559 walk up and couple of. 1:16:13.120 --> 1:16:20.000 Pa ray Vader that says he was wise to use 1:16:20.080 --> 1:16:23.759 you against me, and they fight, and it's a really 1:16:23.840 --> 1:16:29.920 cool reversal of the last bit of the duel that 1:16:29.960 --> 1:16:33.559 we saw in the past. Anakin verse versus Obi Wan 1:16:33.600 --> 1:16:37.640 in which Obi Wan disarmed just simply dodges all of 1:16:37.680 --> 1:16:38.679 Anakin's attacks. 1:16:38.800 --> 1:16:41.400 Here, Vader does the exact same thing. 1:16:41.320 --> 1:16:42.719 Almost using the pallos. 1:16:43.120 --> 1:16:46.800 Yeah, telling you that he is he is still thinking 1:16:46.800 --> 1:16:49.240 about that duel he was remembering, and he's been thinking 1:16:49.240 --> 1:16:52.240 about that moment, and he is just dodging her attacks. 1:16:52.280 --> 1:16:55.040 She's swiping at him, swinging at him, slicing in him, 1:16:55.040 --> 1:16:57.759 and he is just dodging left and right, left and right. Finally, 1:16:58.040 --> 1:17:01.519 she ignites her lightsaber to its full length like a staff, 1:17:01.560 --> 1:17:05.880 like a long staff, and engages Inquisitor spinning mode with 1:17:05.880 --> 1:17:08.639 with the lightsaber. And I have to say, whatever amount 1:17:08.680 --> 1:17:14.400 of billions of credits the Inquisitor fucking force invested in 1:17:14.520 --> 1:17:17.240 creating Spin Lightsaber Tech, it was a waste. 1:17:17.320 --> 1:17:18.200 It doesn't do shit. 1:17:18.640 --> 1:17:22.719 All Spin Lightsaber Tech has ever done is defend against 1:17:22.800 --> 1:17:26.519 blasters kind of because the Inquisitors are not that adept 1:17:26.560 --> 1:17:28.960 at the Force, not like Jedi or Sith to be 1:17:29.000 --> 1:17:32.120 able to like block stuff, you know. So they have 1:17:32.200 --> 1:17:34.920 the spin, but the spin has never killed anybody who 1:17:35.120 --> 1:17:36.559 is trying to defend themselves. 1:17:36.600 --> 1:17:38.280 It doesn't work. This is my ibi. 1:17:38.479 --> 1:17:39.639 This spin doesn't work. 1:17:40.320 --> 1:17:43.760 This show is truly bill on my my favorite. This 1:17:43.840 --> 1:17:44.880 is my inquisite theory. 1:17:45.320 --> 1:17:45.519 None. 1:17:45.720 --> 1:17:50.559 They are all like deep down, the light Side is 1:17:50.640 --> 1:17:53.840 just like making them shit. They like don't actually want 1:17:53.840 --> 1:17:56.200 to kill all the Jedi, so like every choice they 1:17:56.280 --> 1:17:59.639 make that should be like like making this super sick 1:17:59.720 --> 1:18:04.120 light but it never walks, like he doesn't worry. They 1:18:04.120 --> 1:18:06.800 have been like the most badass looking lightsaber in the 1:18:06.840 --> 1:18:09.479 whole world. Guess what, it's not gonna walk. So the 1:18:09.560 --> 1:18:12.360 Jedi again on A sixty six is failing. I feel 1:18:12.400 --> 1:18:15.440 like maybe that's actually the secret agenda at this point. 1:18:15.439 --> 1:18:15.920 I know. 1:18:16.360 --> 1:18:19.720 So she engages spin mode, Vader uses the force, he 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:22.599 slows it down so it's no loger spitting, and then 1:18:22.960 --> 1:18:27.720 he disarms her, snaps her saber staff in two, and 1:18:27.760 --> 1:18:28.840 then gives her the other half. 1:18:29.000 --> 1:18:29.559 I know that. 1:18:29.680 --> 1:18:33.200 Read So now it's the first live action red lightsaber 1:18:33.200 --> 1:18:36.120 on red lightsaber duel in Star Wars history. This is 1:18:37.000 --> 1:18:40.519 iconic and historic stuff, folks, and a proper duel at 1:18:40.560 --> 1:18:42.599 which of what do you think? 1:18:42.760 --> 1:18:43.840 It's fucking Darth Vader? 1:18:44.000 --> 1:18:48.680 He wins, He gut stabs Reva, and she falls to 1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:52.280 her knees, and in that moment, her thoughts returned to 1:18:52.640 --> 1:18:55.720 the massacre and the fear of Order sixty six. Here 1:18:55.720 --> 1:19:00.439 it is happening again. Vader says, I saw the coming 1:19:00.640 --> 1:19:05.799 all along. He even, Yeah, now you're of no further 1:19:05.920 --> 1:19:07.479 use to me. And how did he figure out? 1:19:08.000 --> 1:19:11.200 Well, Reva, along with the many, many. 1:19:11.040 --> 1:19:13.240 Clues that you left, how about the fact that you 1:19:13.400 --> 1:19:17.680 had a public conversation in front of two hundred stormtroopers 1:19:17.760 --> 1:19:21.600 with Kobe Wan Kenobi about switching sides and betraying Darth Vader. 1:19:21.600 --> 1:19:23.960 In front of two hundred. 1:19:23.560 --> 1:19:25.760 Imperial soldiers who were just like, oh cool, this is 1:19:25.760 --> 1:19:26.519 a cool governsation. 1:19:26.560 --> 1:19:30.519 So if that, if she remembers that night, which we 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:33.160 know is like basically that's like the most important night 1:19:33.160 --> 1:19:35.840 in Anakin Skywalker's life and his transition to the dark side. 1:19:36.000 --> 1:19:39.760 Like if she remembers his face, he probably remembers the 1:19:39.800 --> 1:19:41.800 face of everyone who he killed or who he thought 1:19:41.800 --> 1:19:43.680 he killed. So she probably he probably just saw him 1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:46.559 and was like, I knew this was coming. Keeps him 1:19:46.640 --> 1:19:48.000 up in the back of the tank is like which 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:48.679 one survived. 1:19:49.080 --> 1:19:53.000 So Viva is perhaps mortally wounded. She's on the ground now, 1:19:53.040 --> 1:19:55.320 writhing in pain. She's in and out of conscious. This 1:19:55.400 --> 1:19:59.760 is barely holding on the real Grain Inquisitor comes out 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:03.280 original the o G Grand Inquisitor, now fully healed from 1:20:03.280 --> 1:20:06.439 his gut, stab the back to tank doing It's where 1:20:06.479 --> 1:20:08.320 he comes out. And let me tell you, my guy 1:20:08.640 --> 1:20:11.920 is extremely proud of himself for doing. 1:20:11.760 --> 1:20:12.599 Nothing, for. 1:20:14.040 --> 1:20:17.439 He's just a fucking bog and here he here, he is, 1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:19.840 acting like he hit the game winner. 1:20:19.880 --> 1:20:20.400 You didn't do. 1:20:20.439 --> 1:20:25.200 Shit, He's a he's a smug jobs. He's like, look 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:28.040 at me. You couldn't catch Obi Wan Kudobi. You couldn't 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:30.720 stop Reva. You didn't know she was a spy. You 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:34.320 did nothing apart from in the back to tank, which hopefully. 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:40.559 Yeah, other than tongue licking Darth Vader's armor clean. What 1:20:40.600 --> 1:20:43.559 do you do? He then here's what he does. He 1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:46.080 reaches down, he plucks the Grand Inquisitor badge off of 1:20:46.120 --> 1:20:47.880 Reeva's armor. He puts it on his own chest and 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:51.120 he says see you later, Alligator. 1:20:50.680 --> 1:20:53.120 Bye, and they don't kill her. They leave her there. 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:57.519 Okay, big mistake obviously, because well for Obi Wan really, 1:20:57.760 --> 1:21:01.880 because Reva sees Obie's smashed cell phone there on the ground, 1:21:01.960 --> 1:21:02.600 She's like, what's that? 1:21:03.160 --> 1:21:04.320 She crawls over to it. 1:21:04.439 --> 1:21:07.240 Darth vader, the grant inquiser gone, they have left name 1:21:07.280 --> 1:21:13.680 on quickly gone. He well, he needs to They need 1:21:13.720 --> 1:21:15.280 to catch obi Wan. So they needed to get a 1:21:15.360 --> 1:21:18.760 move on. So Reva crawls over, manages to get a 1:21:18.760 --> 1:21:20.680 hold of the phone and presses plate. Now it's been 1:21:20.760 --> 1:21:25.040 damaged and the message is incomplete, but she's able to 1:21:25.080 --> 1:21:28.479 make out uh, something about a boy, something about a 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:32.160 person named Owen, and then the planet very clearly of 1:21:32.400 --> 1:21:35.479 tattooing on the outer rim. Everybody knows tattooing. Meanwhile, on 1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:38.120 the escape ship, broken in the refugees and. 1:21:38.080 --> 1:21:39.440 Ben Ben. 1:21:40.840 --> 1:21:44.679 Consents with the force that something is wrong. The thing 1:21:44.760 --> 1:21:47.560 that's wrong is Reva just saw the message about tattooing 1:21:47.479 --> 1:21:50.280 and the boy and whatever. But he's he can feel it. 1:21:50.360 --> 1:21:53.439 Something is not right. Rocan comes up, It's like, hey 1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:57.200 you so it's a little bad news. Broken's like, hey, 1:21:57.240 --> 1:22:00.960 a little bad news. The dark our invadership is like 1:22:01.040 --> 1:22:03.920 right behind us and our hyperdrivers out. But you look 1:22:04.360 --> 1:22:07.600 like really pale. Obi Wan like you look like you 1:22:07.640 --> 1:22:09.960 just see are you good? And then obi Wan is 1:22:10.000 --> 1:22:13.599 like I'm sure it's nothing. Absolute fucking flat out lie. 1:22:13.680 --> 1:22:15.960 You choose now to You could have lied when you 1:22:16.000 --> 1:22:19.680 had the inspirational speech, but I get it. There's no 1:22:19.720 --> 1:22:21.760 reason to alarm these people. Now, thank you for doing 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:24.720 the right thing. Here we go to tattooing, and this 1:22:24.880 --> 1:22:30.559 is left me thrilled. We're floating over the sands towards 1:22:31.320 --> 1:22:36.920 a familiar set of buildings. It is the Lars Moisture Farm, 1:22:37.240 --> 1:22:40.320 the home of Owen and Beru, and of course a 1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:42.760 young man who is sleeping in his bed, the young 1:22:43.160 --> 1:22:44.360 Luke Skywalker. 1:22:44.400 --> 1:22:50.920 Baba baa. We go to end credits. Folks, Rosie listen. 1:22:51.080 --> 1:22:56.160 I know, I'm, I'm have been very critical of Riuva's 1:22:56.320 --> 1:23:01.360 strategizing and her planning in this, but what a thrilling 1:23:01.439 --> 1:23:02.400 episode of television. 1:23:02.560 --> 1:23:05.240 Yeah, this is so thrilling and it's so charming, and look, 1:23:05.600 --> 1:23:08.000 this is the real truth. And everyone who listeners knows this. 1:23:08.280 --> 1:23:10.880 We know this. We're positive people. We love this stuff. 1:23:10.920 --> 1:23:12.960 But you know what's really really fun about stuff that 1:23:13.000 --> 1:23:15.720 you love when you're talking about with your friends and 1:23:15.760 --> 1:23:18.439 you're like picking apart, like why would they do that? 1:23:18.640 --> 1:23:21.479 Like how does that work? You know, that's the fun 1:23:21.640 --> 1:23:24.160 of watching this stuff. And like the good thing is 1:23:24.240 --> 1:23:27.120 Moses just sells Reaver's journey so much that like you 1:23:27.160 --> 1:23:29.400 want her to survive, you want to know what happens next. 1:23:29.520 --> 1:23:32.599 You can relate to the horror of the young Wings 1:23:32.640 --> 1:23:37.400 and everything that happen and why you know, being There's 1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:39.880 lots of narrative ways we could explain it, like being 1:23:39.920 --> 1:23:41.920 on that edge between the dark side and the light 1:23:41.960 --> 1:23:43.800 side and being a force user but not really ever 1:23:43.800 --> 1:23:46.240 connecting to either side of the force. There's many reasons 1:23:46.320 --> 1:23:49.240 you could be making some silly decisions. There's also definitely 1:23:49.320 --> 1:23:53.719 an arc of like by the end post almost torturing Layer, 1:23:54.120 --> 1:23:56.559 she wants to let she doesn't want to stab someone 1:23:56.600 --> 1:23:58.240 in the back in a silent way. She wants to 1:23:58.320 --> 1:23:59.920 let him know it's him and have a fair fight. 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:02.559 There are these little moments, but also like this is 1:24:02.640 --> 1:24:06.160 just such a fun show and I think this really yeah, 1:24:06.160 --> 1:24:11.240 this really shows the power of when there's there's that 1:24:11.439 --> 1:24:16.360 great pulpy way that Star Wars tells to you, that 1:24:16.400 --> 1:24:19.120 Star Wars tells stories like the Mandalorian, which is like 1:24:19.800 --> 1:24:23.800 sequential serial storytelling, like you're watching a Saturday morning show. 1:24:23.960 --> 1:24:25.760 And I love that they can have that, and then 1:24:25.800 --> 1:24:28.880 they can have something like this that just feels like 1:24:28.960 --> 1:24:33.080 this epic singular story where you just care so much 1:24:33.080 --> 1:24:36.240 about everything that happens, and also like they're so good 1:24:36.240 --> 1:24:38.880 at doing those endings like this gives you that same 1:24:38.920 --> 1:24:43.160 feeling as when obi Wan said anakain and then he 1:24:43.240 --> 1:24:45.439 opened his eyes. You know? So do you okay? So 1:24:45.479 --> 1:24:47.080 this is what I want to know. Do you think 1:24:48.560 --> 1:24:52.080 obviously we're gonna see Luke next episode? There's two questions 1:24:52.120 --> 1:24:53.200 I want to know. Do you think him and Ley 1:24:53.280 --> 1:24:56.280 are going to meet? I will probably cry? And do 1:24:56.320 --> 1:24:59.960 you think this? To me feels like everyone always thought 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:02.320 this series was gonna be about Luke and obi Wan 1:25:02.360 --> 1:25:06.240 and Luke? Does this feel like season two the inevitable? 1:25:06.280 --> 1:25:08.680 Season two is gonna be like Luke and obi Wan? 1:25:09.560 --> 1:25:11.240 Because that's what this kind of feels like to me. 1:25:11.960 --> 1:25:16.439 If I think that Leah and Luke are going to 1:25:16.880 --> 1:25:20.960 almost meet several times in Anguish It, it's gonna be like. 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:21.960 We're gonna be crying. 1:25:22.920 --> 1:25:24.920 He had if he had just if. 1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:28.240 Luke had just turned the corner and looked to his right, 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:31.080 she would have been there. If if Leah had just 1:25:31.240 --> 1:25:33.240 done this, they would have met. I think we're gonna 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:35.960 get a lot of near missus. And then I think 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:39.479 you're right We're gonna be set up to have been 1:25:39.640 --> 1:25:43.400 as the more active protector of the young Luke Skywalker 1:25:43.560 --> 1:25:45.760 in the ten years that are gonna lead up to 1:25:45.800 --> 1:25:48.640 the eventual Battle of Yavin, the emergence of Luke Skywalker. 1:25:48.720 --> 1:25:55.400 Is this galactic figure to return to Riva For a second, 1:25:55.400 --> 1:25:59.840 I think I've been thinking a lot about the kind 1:25:59.840 --> 1:26:11.080 of the central theme in Star Wars of overcoming trauma 1:26:11.280 --> 1:26:16.679 and being forgiven, you know, like the original trilogy ended 1:26:18.000 --> 1:26:22.759 on this really like heartwarming, big hearted note of Anakin 1:26:22.840 --> 1:26:27.040 Skywalker coming back to the Light, meeting his son, being 1:26:27.080 --> 1:26:30.920 a part of his son and his daughter's life, and. 1:26:33.080 --> 1:26:36.000 Actually putting the Force back into balance. 1:26:37.920 --> 1:26:41.599 Tied Up in all of that, though, is how can 1:26:41.640 --> 1:26:45.680 we And I think that central idea, which is so 1:26:45.800 --> 1:26:48.880 compelling of like, listen, we've all done things in our 1:26:48.920 --> 1:26:52.360 lives that we feel bad about, you know, but that 1:26:52.400 --> 1:26:57.240 doesn't mean that you are beyond forgiveness. No one you 1:26:58.000 --> 1:27:01.960 can forgive yourself for the mistake you've made. Now we 1:27:02.000 --> 1:27:04.920 have not made mistakes that include like the wiping out 1:27:04.920 --> 1:27:10.240 of entire places, genocide, so complete planetary genocides, And that 1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:14.160 leads me this is where I'm not gonna say, I 1:27:14.200 --> 1:27:14.840 love Star Wars. 1:27:14.920 --> 1:27:18.160 I'm very passionate about Star Wars. I'm sure everybody here 1:27:18.320 --> 1:27:19.720 listening understands. 1:27:19.280 --> 1:27:21.679 That we are very passionate about Yeah, but my feelings 1:27:21.680 --> 1:27:26.759 are complicated in that. Can we how can we forgive 1:27:26.840 --> 1:27:29.640 Darth Vader for all of these stuff, killing the like 1:27:29.800 --> 1:27:33.960 the Younglings, various massacres across the galaxy in the twenty 1:27:34.080 --> 1:27:37.679 years until the Battle of Yavin, the destruction of Aldron. 1:27:37.840 --> 1:27:40.840 He didn't pull the trigger, but he was there. He 1:27:40.960 --> 1:27:42.680 was a part of it. He was part of the 1:27:42.720 --> 1:27:47.760 imperial regime that did that. How can we how can 1:27:47.800 --> 1:27:50.960 we forgive a person that did that? And which leads 1:27:51.000 --> 1:27:55.080 me this is what I was thinking about with Reva's Turn, 1:27:55.160 --> 1:28:03.000 which is just how seductive power. How it tells you that, listen, 1:28:03.040 --> 1:28:06.400 you've been hurt, You're gonna take revenge, You're gonna do 1:28:07.040 --> 1:28:09.799 something that is good. You're gonna stop this villainous person 1:28:09.840 --> 1:28:13.160 from doing more bad things. But all the while, as 1:28:13.200 --> 1:28:15.880 you accrue the power to do that, you are turning 1:28:15.920 --> 1:28:18.240 bad yourself. And the thing that I found really compelling 1:28:18.280 --> 1:28:21.640 about Reva's arc is that unlike Darth, who is just 1:28:21.680 --> 1:28:23.640 like pure evil right now, even though that we know 1:28:23.680 --> 1:28:26.040 that there is a park of light inside him. Reva 1:28:26.120 --> 1:28:28.800 sees herself as the good person. Everyone has failed her. 1:28:29.080 --> 1:28:32.960 The Jedi failed Obi Wan Kenobi walked away as far 1:28:33.000 --> 1:28:36.880 as she knows, from his padawan and his responsibility, and 1:28:37.200 --> 1:28:40.280 that person unleashed then killed everyone, and she couldn't do 1:28:40.320 --> 1:28:42.840 anything about it. And now here she is doing what 1:28:42.960 --> 1:28:44.519 she has to do to stop it. But at the 1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:48.160 same time, how can we forgive Reva for ye, yes, 1:28:48.200 --> 1:28:50.679 it's true she didn't torture Lea, but she was gonna. 1:28:51.160 --> 1:28:53.160 She was one step away from doing it. 1:28:53.240 --> 1:28:56.320 It just the torture machines took too long to boot up. 1:28:56.640 --> 1:28:59.439 How can we forgive her for all the things that 1:28:59.479 --> 1:29:02.400 she's done? Which finally leads me to my the final 1:29:02.600 --> 1:29:05.200 central question that other people who have listened to other 1:29:06.920 --> 1:29:08.960 listen to Benjamin Star Wars have heard me talk about this, 1:29:09.240 --> 1:29:10.840 which I want to pose now to you, Rosie. 1:29:10.920 --> 1:29:15.240 Is that and it's my and it's the one, it's 1:29:15.280 --> 1:29:16.439 the it's the kind. 1:29:16.240 --> 1:29:18.639 Of like you know how Anakin has like the hint 1:29:18.640 --> 1:29:20.960 of light inside of him still as he's Darth. Right 1:29:21.000 --> 1:29:25.360 now here is the hint of doubt inside me Regarding 1:29:25.520 --> 1:29:29.200 Star Wars and its depiction of forgiveness and power is 1:29:29.240 --> 1:29:37.040 that Star Wars hacks our empathy program, which is when 1:29:37.080 --> 1:29:42.040 we engage with stories we want to empathize with the 1:29:42.120 --> 1:29:43.360 person who has power. 1:29:43.560 --> 1:29:45.120 We don't want to We don't want to. 1:29:46.640 --> 1:29:49.639 Engage with a story about the stable boys before they 1:29:50.320 --> 1:29:53.240 learn how to use the Force, or the regular people 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:56.439 in the galaxy who are just doing regular people shit, 1:29:56.600 --> 1:30:00.360 working like cutting whale blubber from the from some is 1:30:00.400 --> 1:30:01.360 on the sands of tattooing. 1:30:01.439 --> 1:30:02.160 We don't care about them. 1:30:02.200 --> 1:30:03.800 We want to know about the Sith, and we want 1:30:03.800 --> 1:30:05.280 to know about the Jedi, and we don't want to 1:30:05.280 --> 1:30:08.439 know about the Stormtroopers and the Inquisitors and all the 1:30:08.479 --> 1:30:12.880 stuff that they've done. But at the same time, there's like, 1:30:13.120 --> 1:30:15.479 this is a massive galact of war that has taken billions, 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:20.320 if not trillions of lives, and we don't think about 1:30:20.320 --> 1:30:23.400 those people. And I and it just gives me pause 1:30:23.479 --> 1:30:26.640 because I feel like it's it's it's a kind of 1:30:26.680 --> 1:30:29.880 a metaphor for what we deal with in life right now. 1:30:29.920 --> 1:30:33.120 It's like we want to focus on the politicians who 1:30:33.120 --> 1:30:35.479 are running things and the bad actors that we know about, 1:30:35.560 --> 1:30:38.200 and the and the this talking head that is terrible 1:30:38.240 --> 1:30:40.640 and this influencer that is a piece of shit. At 1:30:40.680 --> 1:30:45.360 the same time, like, there are truly like powerless people 1:30:45.439 --> 1:30:50.040 in the world who we for whatever reason because instinctively 1:30:50.360 --> 1:30:52.519 we don't want to empathize with them, because we don't 1:30:52.560 --> 1:30:55.400 want to feel like we ourselves are powerless. 1:30:55.439 --> 1:30:57.800 We want to We want to even if it makes 1:30:57.840 --> 1:30:58.560 us enraged. 1:30:58.840 --> 1:31:01.000 We want to think about the powerful people who are 1:31:01.040 --> 1:31:03.519 fucking things up rather than the powerless people who are 1:31:03.560 --> 1:31:05.800 under the boot of those forces. And that's what Star 1:31:05.840 --> 1:31:07.360 Wars makes me think about it. I was thinking about 1:31:07.400 --> 1:31:09.880 this entire episode. What do you think about that? 1:31:09.960 --> 1:31:10.240 Was it? 1:31:10.320 --> 1:31:11.439 I think that'd give you pause. 1:31:11.600 --> 1:31:13.760 I think it's really true. I think it's one of 1:31:13.760 --> 1:31:17.960 the ultimate conundrums of Star Wars. It's also one of 1:31:18.000 --> 1:31:20.559 the talking points that I think fans talk about a lot. 1:31:20.800 --> 1:31:27.759 I think so. I think that for me, I feel everything. 1:31:27.880 --> 1:31:31.240 I totally agree with everything you're saying, but almost more 1:31:31.240 --> 1:31:35.439 from like an outside perspective, because I agree that that 1:31:35.640 --> 1:31:39.720 is a central thematic issue with Star Wars, and really 1:31:39.760 --> 1:31:43.240 any film about war, honestly, is it focuses on the 1:31:43.240 --> 1:31:45.639 people who are committing it rather than the people who are. 1:31:45.640 --> 1:31:46.920 Victims of the people who won. 1:31:47.160 --> 1:31:49.439 Yeah, the people, and also the history is told by 1:31:49.439 --> 1:31:51.439 people who won, right, that's what we always know that, 1:31:52.160 --> 1:31:56.320 But I have to say that I think that personally, 1:31:56.400 --> 1:31:59.479 like the one, especially as I've grown older, this has changed. 1:31:59.479 --> 1:32:01.920 But like going back to that central the first thing 1:32:02.680 --> 1:32:06.160 that we believe about it, right, which is the Vader. 1:32:06.680 --> 1:32:11.439 I really I don't know if I believe that we're 1:32:11.520 --> 1:32:13.880 supposed to forgive him or that it's supposed to be 1:32:14.000 --> 1:32:17.559 anything other than a father just doing the right thing 1:32:17.640 --> 1:32:21.040 by his kid. I don't know that that act is 1:32:21.160 --> 1:32:26.160 meant to make him absolved. I just feel like in 1:32:26.200 --> 1:32:29.720 that moment, the light wins over the dark, you know, 1:32:29.800 --> 1:32:33.519 And that's I think that's kind of again, it's that 1:32:33.560 --> 1:32:36.720 thing when we take the power away from Vader and 1:32:36.760 --> 1:32:39.839 the idea that he could just suddenly everything's fine. Annie's 1:32:39.920 --> 1:32:42.000 like Annie again, and it's like he was our dad, 1:32:42.520 --> 1:32:45.800 when really it's just one person making one choice that 1:32:45.880 --> 1:32:48.200 in that moment has a really positive impact. It doesn't 1:32:48.280 --> 1:32:51.200 negate all the negativity that he did, but in that 1:32:51.280 --> 1:32:53.840 moment it puts us on a different path. And like 1:32:53.920 --> 1:32:56.439 for me, something and I mean we've talked about this 1:32:56.520 --> 1:32:59.800 of course, But like, I think, this is such a 1:33:00.000 --> 1:33:04.280 central kind of conundrum within Star Wars that it's why 1:33:04.360 --> 1:33:08.439 so many of us were so deeply excited by the 1:33:08.560 --> 1:33:12.600 end of you know, The Last Jedi, because suddenly it 1:33:12.840 --> 1:33:15.880 was about the kids who were the stable boys, who 1:33:16.280 --> 1:33:19.839 were the servants, who actually, guess what, they could still 1:33:19.960 --> 1:33:22.320 use the force. They just used it for their chores 1:33:22.360 --> 1:33:25.120 because they didn't know it was magical, because no one 1:33:25.400 --> 1:33:28.400 had ever Actually I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it, 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:32.240 like nobody had ever come and told them you're worthy. 1:33:32.320 --> 1:33:34.639 This is a power that you have. You can do 1:33:34.720 --> 1:33:37.800 something with this. And I think the other aspect that 1:33:37.880 --> 1:33:39.880 I really struggle with with Star Wars that I think 1:33:39.880 --> 1:33:43.840 fits into this is like that kind of elitist bloodline 1:33:44.000 --> 1:33:47.400 nature of the Jedi and this kind of idea that 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:50.720 like certain people can and you have to live by 1:33:50.760 --> 1:33:52.880 this forceful way. And I say, I have a problem 1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:54.960 with it. But what I actually love is I love 1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:57.679 delving into the Star Wars stories and again The Last Jedi, 1:33:57.720 --> 1:33:59.519 I think does a brilliant job of this, looking at 1:33:59.520 --> 1:34:04.360 the the abusive relationship between the master and the student 1:34:04.520 --> 1:34:08.120 and how that can so easily be turned you know, Chris, 1:34:08.439 --> 1:34:10.800 our super producer. Chris made a great point about a 1:34:10.840 --> 1:34:14.240 scene in this episode where there's we see lightsabers in 1:34:14.280 --> 1:34:17.680 the Path and we'd seen lightsabers in the Inquisitorious, And 1:34:17.720 --> 1:34:20.280 I think that is really the power of Star Wars 1:34:20.360 --> 1:34:24.639 is the constant comparison between the Jedi and the Sith, 1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:26.760 and the light Side and the dark Side, and how 1:34:26.880 --> 1:34:30.479 so much of what we critique about the way that 1:34:30.520 --> 1:34:33.960 the Sith use power or the Sith seduce people is 1:34:34.000 --> 1:34:36.559 actually very similar to what the Jedi do. It's just 1:34:36.640 --> 1:34:40.479 that their reasons behind it are different, or the way 1:34:40.479 --> 1:34:43.640 they wheeld the power ends up being different. So I mean, 1:34:43.680 --> 1:34:46.080 those are the kind of conversations I think, and the 1:34:46.160 --> 1:34:51.880 kind of you know, wider galaxy brain takes. That's how 1:34:51.920 --> 1:34:54.040 we can still be into it and be passionate about 1:34:54.080 --> 1:34:57.400 it decades later, because if you just watch it and 1:34:57.400 --> 1:34:58.840 you're like, oh, this is good and this is bad. 1:34:58.880 --> 1:35:01.400 I think those conversations, you know, the way that there 1:35:01.479 --> 1:35:03.400 used to be in like the nineties and the Zeros, 1:35:03.439 --> 1:35:06.759 it was always the conversation of like was the empire right? Surprise? 1:35:06.960 --> 1:35:07.120 No? 1:35:07.520 --> 1:35:11.560 But those political conversations no, But like those conversations of 1:35:11.680 --> 1:35:14.720 like and and and the Clerk's conversation. You know, I've 1:35:14.720 --> 1:35:16.599 brought that one up before, like all the people who 1:35:16.640 --> 1:35:19.080 died on the Death Star, Like when we start digging 1:35:19.120 --> 1:35:22.120 in to what it really means to live in that world, 1:35:22.160 --> 1:35:25.880 and we can be the ones who change the meaning 1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:28.120 of the story. We can be the ones who care 1:35:28.200 --> 1:35:31.040 about the young lings or the person who works. We 1:35:31.080 --> 1:35:33.439 can be the one who cares if Max Rebo, Max 1:35:33.479 --> 1:35:36.360 Rebo survives. You know, it's just a question of whether 1:35:36.800 --> 1:35:40.160 the people telling the stories will reflect that. You know. 1:35:40.600 --> 1:35:42.840 That's a that's a great point, in a very powerful one. 1:35:42.880 --> 1:35:45.160 And I think the thing that keeps you and I 1:35:45.320 --> 1:35:51.960 and other people coming back to Star Wars stories so much. Uh, 1:35:52.640 --> 1:35:55.600 that's just very well said. We are the change in 1:35:55.680 --> 1:35:58.000 the story that we want to see from the story. 1:35:58.560 --> 1:36:00.000 Uh. 1:36:00.160 --> 1:36:03.599 I will say at the end of Return of the Jedi, 1:36:03.840 --> 1:36:07.000 when the fucking Ewoks are going ape shit and Anakin 1:36:07.160 --> 1:36:11.759 is there in his glowing ghost form, it does feel 1:36:11.880 --> 1:36:15.880 very celebratory of my guy. 1:36:17.840 --> 1:36:20.000 Definitely, no Asterisk, this guy killed. 1:36:21.520 --> 1:36:23.519 At that point, They're like, it's just your dad again, 1:36:23.520 --> 1:36:25.639 and I'm like, no, I'm going back to that one 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:29.040 choice he made that one moment that also, I have 1:36:29.120 --> 1:36:31.719 to say, as a number one Ewok lover, I'm always 1:36:31.760 --> 1:36:34.519 just in that moment like yeah, like this is how you. 1:36:34.960 --> 1:36:38.320 The Empire baby is just like a bunch of crazy 1:36:38.400 --> 1:36:42.400 animals with sticks, Like they're just like living life with 1:36:42.520 --> 1:36:45.880 some quick flying around quick final question. 1:36:46.400 --> 1:36:49.080 We gotta see Qui goun Jin in the finale, right, 1:36:49.280 --> 1:36:50.320 it's gotta happen. 1:36:50.120 --> 1:36:52.679 Has to be, I feel like well, and I definitely 1:36:52.720 --> 1:36:55.000 think you touched on this earlier right where you were 1:36:55.080 --> 1:36:59.960 like we see in this episode that obi Wan is 1:37:00.320 --> 1:37:03.360 reconnected to the Force, and I also I like the 1:37:03.439 --> 1:37:06.840 kind of I don't ness. I feel like him, and 1:37:08.479 --> 1:37:11.200 I thought that they might lean into the idea of 1:37:11.439 --> 1:37:14.479 him and Anakin being some kind of creating like a 1:37:14.479 --> 1:37:17.240 Force diad, even though I know that that was more 1:37:17.240 --> 1:37:19.960 connected to like Sith bloodlines and stuff, but it seemed 1:37:19.960 --> 1:37:22.599 like there was something there. And I do still feel 1:37:22.600 --> 1:37:26.559 like it's not a coincidence that while Anakin was so 1:37:26.720 --> 1:37:29.800 focused on these lessons that he'd had with Obi Wan 1:37:29.880 --> 1:37:32.800 that were based around the Force and the Jedi and lightsabers, 1:37:33.040 --> 1:37:35.640 obi Wan was at the same time getting connected to 1:37:35.680 --> 1:37:38.439 the Force again. That feels very relevant to me, So yeah, 1:37:38.680 --> 1:37:42.639 Qui Gonjin, I think that's quite likely. Maybe Luke will 1:37:42.680 --> 1:37:46.759 be in grave danger. Maybe there is something along those lines. 1:37:46.800 --> 1:37:49.000 Maybe it's to do with Anakin, because let's not forget 1:37:49.160 --> 1:37:53.800 who is at fault, Qui gone jin. So he needs 1:37:53.800 --> 1:37:55.919 to come and pay for his pay for his mistakes. 1:37:56.880 --> 1:38:01.960 Next quick question, are the Force users Fortress inquisitorious in 1:38:02.040 --> 1:38:06.120 some kind of stasis or are they dead? Secondary question 1:38:07.120 --> 1:38:12.040 off of that is that is Rocan's wife there, because 1:38:12.040 --> 1:38:15.680 it feels very much like why I mentioned it. 1:38:16.280 --> 1:38:18.760 I'm waiting for that shoe to drop was going to 1:38:18.800 --> 1:38:19.760 show up somewhere. 1:38:19.600 --> 1:38:22.040 His Rocan's wife, Mara Jade, who I was sure that 1:38:22.120 --> 1:38:29.160 I saw in he goes crazy. I would love that. 1:38:29.439 --> 1:38:32.240 I don't. I have to say it looks stacisy, right, 1:38:32.720 --> 1:38:33.559 I feel like it. 1:38:33.520 --> 1:38:35.800 Looked stacisy with the eyes open like that. 1:38:36.000 --> 1:38:39.720 Mike God says I. This would be my my my 1:38:39.920 --> 1:38:43.559 logical reading the Padawan, he looked dead. I think that 1:38:43.680 --> 1:38:47.080 was a dead body that they put into that because. 1:38:47.600 --> 1:38:50.479 That creepy nobody's his face was all funked up like 1:38:50.560 --> 1:38:54.960 that may be sad rgy to that padawan, but I 1:38:55.080 --> 1:38:57.600 believe that it could keep dead bodies looking young so 1:38:57.640 --> 1:38:59.599 you can creepily look on them and be like, look. 1:38:59.479 --> 1:39:03.600 At all these people we killed. Or it could potentially 1:39:03.800 --> 1:39:08.680 keep some people in a stasis style situation, and you 1:39:08.680 --> 1:39:10.280 know what, that would make a lot of sense, because, 1:39:10.320 --> 1:39:13.439 as we've said many times, not great actually stopping the Jedi, 1:39:13.479 --> 1:39:16.080 so putting them in stasis and then inevitably allowing some 1:39:16.160 --> 1:39:19.520 of them to escape is very much on the inquisitorious 1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:20.799 kind of path. 1:39:22.080 --> 1:39:25.320 Well catch us next week when we will be talking 1:39:25.360 --> 1:39:28.200 about the Obi Wan Kenobi finale. 1:39:28.520 --> 1:39:30.960 Dunt Dunt dum, Same bad. 1:39:30.800 --> 1:39:34.840 Time, Same bad channel. Up next Hadmind featuring Danny Fernandez. 1:39:46.920 --> 1:39:49.519 Oh hey, Danny, it's so gay to have you here 1:39:49.560 --> 1:39:51.000 on Extra Vision. How are you doing. 1:39:51.439 --> 1:39:53.640 I'm doing good now that I get to see you. 1:39:54.200 --> 1:39:56.080 Oh, it's so lovely to see you too. And I'm 1:39:56.200 --> 1:39:59.439 so excited to talk about your amazing comic book debut. 1:40:00.439 --> 1:40:02.960 Thanks for supporting it. I saw you picked up a 1:40:02.960 --> 1:40:04.360 couple of issues. 1:40:04.160 --> 1:40:07.680 So it's got to be done. I mean, we are 1:40:07.680 --> 1:40:11.000 living in a truly great time when we get to 1:40:11.000 --> 1:40:17.719 see our favorite superheroes openly celebrating queerness and celebrating pride 1:40:17.920 --> 1:40:21.160 and to us as fans, it means a lot, Like 1:40:21.240 --> 1:40:23.840 there are a lot of deep layered conversations to be had, 1:40:23.880 --> 1:40:25.679 but generally the fact you can go into a comic 1:40:25.720 --> 1:40:27.439 book shop, or a kid can go into a comic 1:40:27.439 --> 1:40:29.639 book shop and pick up an issue that says pride 1:40:29.800 --> 1:40:32.720 and read a ton of queer stories. That's just a 1:40:32.720 --> 1:40:34.800 great win and it makes me so happy that you're 1:40:34.800 --> 1:40:35.439 involved in it. 1:40:35.880 --> 1:40:39.040 No, it's like wild I've loved these two forever and 1:40:39.080 --> 1:40:44.160 I feel like kind of came full circle with them. 1:40:44.320 --> 1:40:47.920 So to me, they're like the two most iconic queer 1:40:47.960 --> 1:40:51.479 characters in like DC history, aside from Wonder Woman, which 1:40:51.520 --> 1:40:54.960 I love and am excited hopefully to see more of 1:40:55.000 --> 1:40:58.760 her queerness, especially in live action. I'm gonna like, yeah, 1:40:58.800 --> 1:40:59.679 you know, if you need a girl. 1:41:02.479 --> 1:41:04.760 Everyone would love to see it. Danny, you could just 1:41:04.800 --> 1:41:06.200 be yourself. It's just wonder Woman. 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:08.400 It's just it's just Danny Fernandez. 1:41:11.439 --> 1:41:13.920 So, like something that we always love to ask our 1:41:13.960 --> 1:41:17.000 guests when they kind of come on here, is what's 1:41:17.120 --> 1:41:20.240 your comic book origin story? Like, what was the moment 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:23.240 that you fell in love with comics? 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:26.200 Yeah, so mine, I would have to say, is like 1:41:26.800 --> 1:41:29.240 comic adjacent and that I fell in love with manga, 1:41:30.600 --> 1:41:33.360 being like obsessed with DBZ. I have it tattooed on me. 1:41:33.640 --> 1:41:36.880 It's just so iconic and has affected so much other 1:41:37.160 --> 1:41:42.120 anime and other manga artists and storytellers and so I 1:41:42.240 --> 1:41:44.840 used it used to be really hard to get a 1:41:44.840 --> 1:41:47.840 hold of I want to tell people this, like you would. 1:41:47.920 --> 1:41:52.519 It was either like some little video store, like an 1:41:52.560 --> 1:41:55.560 indie video store, and they would also have like bootleg 1:41:55.920 --> 1:41:59.400 anime DVDs and you could get some manga, or like 1:41:59.479 --> 1:42:01.320 now there's a who section at Barnes and Noble, but 1:42:01.400 --> 1:42:04.320 sometimes it would find its way over there, dude, and 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:07.719 you could like find manga sometimes in Barnes and Noble, 1:42:07.760 --> 1:42:08.639 which was crazy. 1:42:08.880 --> 1:42:12.719 The kids, like nowadays, they do not know the horror 1:42:12.760 --> 1:42:15.519 of like having to get the They would have like 1:42:15.640 --> 1:42:18.400 vouchers in the back of magazines and it would be 1:42:18.439 --> 1:42:21.120 like you just send off for a VHS and it's 1:42:21.160 --> 1:42:25.120 like three episodes it was thirty dollars, or like you said, 1:42:25.120 --> 1:42:27.519 it's like you've got to find little places. I remember 1:42:27.880 --> 1:42:32.680 in Soho in London there was an old laundromat that 1:42:32.840 --> 1:42:35.720 was actually among a bookseller and most of it was 1:42:36.160 --> 1:42:39.000 in Japanese. So good back. You can just enjoy the art, 1:42:39.520 --> 1:42:44.280 but also like you'd occasionally find a couple of sub 1:42:44.360 --> 1:42:46.200 like things that had been either subbed if it was 1:42:46.240 --> 1:42:48.920 anime or translated. And I'm really glad you picked that 1:42:49.000 --> 1:42:52.080 because I actually think, you know, in a world of 1:42:52.120 --> 1:42:57.519 big two superheroes and Western comics, people don't often think 1:42:57.560 --> 1:43:01.200 about manga as as something that is the same. But 1:43:01.240 --> 1:43:05.280 actually Manger is like this incredibly storied, old version of 1:43:05.320 --> 1:43:08.559 comics that way out dates Western comics, and it's been 1:43:08.640 --> 1:43:11.920 so influential and is also so influential on so many 1:43:11.960 --> 1:43:15.559 creators like you and creators that we love, especially who 1:43:15.600 --> 1:43:18.480 are now making American comics. 1:43:18.720 --> 1:43:23.599 Yeah, just like big storytellers that are making big action movies. 1:43:23.640 --> 1:43:26.800 I know Jordan Peele has talked extensively, uh and I 1:43:26.840 --> 1:43:28.240 know like friends that work for him that said in 1:43:28.280 --> 1:43:31.160 his office he had like anime. Yeah. 1:43:31.200 --> 1:43:34.320 He actually he put the a Keurris slide into the 1:43:34.400 --> 1:43:37.120 International Note trailer. So when I saw that, I was like, 1:43:37.200 --> 1:43:38.719 come on, that's like, I know. 1:43:38.680 --> 1:43:41.200 He said that that and then uh, Taika obviously because 1:43:41.200 --> 1:43:43.679 he was signed on to do that. But like Taika 1:43:43.720 --> 1:43:46.559 wa Titi, and there's so many people who have been 1:43:46.880 --> 1:43:50.400 heavily influenced. And this, this is always my soapbox, is 1:43:50.439 --> 1:43:51.800 that a lot of people will say, well, that's like 1:43:51.840 --> 1:43:55.080 super mainstream. Like let's say DBZ, which is one of 1:43:55.120 --> 1:43:58.639 the biggest anime of all time. Uh, like, oh, that's 1:43:58.680 --> 1:44:00.960 a real enormy one. And it was like, okay, but 1:44:01.040 --> 1:44:03.519 this normy one, which by the way, again was so 1:44:03.560 --> 1:44:05.240 hard to get a hold of. I know that everyone 1:44:05.280 --> 1:44:07.840 now sees it on crunchy roll and it was on 1:44:07.880 --> 1:44:10.320 Funimation and like Tsunami, but like, it used to be 1:44:10.360 --> 1:44:12.559 really hard to get a hold of here in the States. 1:44:13.600 --> 1:44:18.759 But this normy mainstream anime affected so many other anime 1:44:18.960 --> 1:44:23.439 and manga creators and that's what they grew up with. 1:44:23.479 --> 1:44:25.400 So the people that are now our age that are 1:44:25.439 --> 1:44:29.519 creating it, they grew up with those. So yeah, to me, 1:44:29.640 --> 1:44:32.640 it's like, okay, it's mainstream. So it was like so 1:44:32.760 --> 1:44:33.679 is Harley Quinn and Poison. 1:44:33.680 --> 1:44:36.960 I like Superman and Batman. Yeah, you're living in an 1:44:36.960 --> 1:44:39.960 age where those are the most mainstream things ever. And 1:44:40.000 --> 1:44:44.799 I actually love how much more mainstream like DBZ especially 1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:48.960 has become, you know, with like record breaking box office 1:44:49.520 --> 1:44:52.720 for releases. Yeah, it just makes it more accessible. It 1:44:52.720 --> 1:44:55.000 means more people can find these stories. 1:44:55.160 --> 1:44:58.519 Yeah, and it's just exciting to see because then it's like, Okay, 1:44:58.560 --> 1:45:01.680 well maybe you'll get a subscription to like country roll 1:45:01.720 --> 1:45:03.479 or some cruntry roll. Pay me because now I've said 1:45:03.479 --> 1:45:04.680 your name like three times. 1:45:05.080 --> 1:45:08.600 Crunchy roll and also me a free subscription. 1:45:08.680 --> 1:45:10.479 I've works with Funimation. I don't know if I've done 1:45:10.520 --> 1:45:13.120 stuff with crunchy Roll. Maybe I have. There's a lot 1:45:13.120 --> 1:45:16.240 of changeover. But was I gonna say, oh, yeah, so 1:45:16.280 --> 1:45:21.960 maybe you subscribe to it because of micro academia or whatever. 1:45:22.000 --> 1:45:25.200 But then you're finding because there's a wealth in a 1:45:25.400 --> 1:45:29.040 library in there, so then you're finding smaller ones that 1:45:29.120 --> 1:45:32.240 might be not as quote unquote mainstream, you know, and 1:45:32.320 --> 1:45:33.960 so that that is a good way to get in. 1:45:34.439 --> 1:45:36.680 You know. They say it's like a gateway anime, but 1:45:36.720 --> 1:45:39.920 I'm like, okay, well it's a good way to find 1:45:40.080 --> 1:45:42.880 other other lesser known ones. 1:45:43.280 --> 1:45:46.400 I also think as well, like it's a gateway for 1:45:46.439 --> 1:45:49.200 a reason. That's one of the few anime that, like 1:45:49.240 --> 1:45:51.200 you say, you could get a hold of even if 1:45:51.240 --> 1:45:52.800 it was hard to get a hold of. Yeah, and 1:45:52.840 --> 1:45:55.120 Salor Moon, those were that was your right. Salor Moon 1:45:55.240 --> 1:45:58.160 those were your two big available ones, and that's why 1:45:59.040 --> 1:46:01.800 to so many of us, they were such establishing kind 1:46:01.800 --> 1:46:05.760 of spaces and the place that we found that love. Yeah, 1:46:05.760 --> 1:46:09.280 so I guess because so Danny perfectly teased this at 1:46:09.320 --> 1:46:12.080 the beginning, it almost sounded like it was planned by 1:46:12.160 --> 1:46:15.160 not telling us who their DC story was about. So 1:46:15.240 --> 1:46:19.840 it's about Harlequin and Poison Ivy, the legends. So I 1:46:19.840 --> 1:46:23.599 would love to know, and what was your origin with them? 1:46:23.760 --> 1:46:25.559 When was the first time you found them and you 1:46:25.640 --> 1:46:27.720 realized that these were characters you cared about, or you 1:46:27.760 --> 1:46:30.439 felt represented by, or you just loved their kind of 1:46:30.640 --> 1:46:32.160 chaotic bisexuality. 1:46:32.640 --> 1:46:35.839 Yeah, you know, I grew up watching Batman, the animated series, 1:46:36.280 --> 1:46:39.040 and so I mean, I feel like we all did. 1:46:39.120 --> 1:46:43.240 But that was just so iconic still like beautiful artwork. 1:46:43.240 --> 1:46:45.559 I feel like you could freeze any element of that show. 1:46:46.280 --> 1:46:49.960 And also segueing in the fact that Kevin Conroy, who 1:46:50.120 --> 1:46:52.559 is the voice of Batman, who was the voice of 1:46:52.640 --> 1:46:55.719 Batman for so many of us growing up, it also 1:46:55.840 --> 1:46:57.599 has a story in this comic. 1:46:58.439 --> 1:47:02.760 It is unbelievable. That is one of the bravest, coolest, 1:47:03.439 --> 1:47:06.720 most wonderful inclusions. And I thought DC did such a 1:47:06.760 --> 1:47:07.320 great job. 1:47:08.160 --> 1:47:12.080 Yes, and so that's all to say. I first met 1:47:12.080 --> 1:47:16.080 them in animated form. That was my first introduction to them, 1:47:16.439 --> 1:47:21.400 and that kind of stayed. I my love of them 1:47:21.640 --> 1:47:24.360 over the years. Also would be in movie form, I 1:47:24.360 --> 1:47:31.559 would say, Uma, I will go to that literally any day. 1:47:31.720 --> 1:47:35.040 So many articles. I love that movie. It's a masterpiece 1:47:35.280 --> 1:47:37.760 and Uma is That has got to be one of 1:47:37.760 --> 1:47:40.800 the best superhero supervillain comics time. 1:47:41.360 --> 1:47:44.559 As a comic book writer, can we say it is 1:47:45.200 --> 1:47:49.280 one of the best adaptations of how a comic book feels. Yeah, 1:47:50.320 --> 1:47:54.879 it's campy a f If you've read a comic, especially 1:47:55.000 --> 1:48:00.120 nineties comics, they were so campy. The dialogue is so corny, 1:48:00.320 --> 1:48:04.920 you know, even even going back to Adam West, Batman exactly. 1:48:04.760 --> 1:48:07.639 The one that channels it the most. And I think, yes, 1:48:08.320 --> 1:48:11.599 you can't like Joel Schumacher who made that movie. That's 1:48:11.640 --> 1:48:14.519 he's a gay icon and he made a gay iconic movie. 1:48:14.760 --> 1:48:16.760 And I saw, if you've got a problem with that, 1:48:17.400 --> 1:48:21.000 I can't relate to it because I love Batman and 1:48:21.080 --> 1:48:22.880 Robin We got the nipples. 1:48:23.000 --> 1:48:24.240 You got book. 1:48:24.520 --> 1:48:27.800 You know, and you have honest Watchnega. He's doing an 1:48:27.800 --> 1:48:32.439 incredible job. Like he is being as quippy as any 1:48:32.479 --> 1:48:35.720 Batman super villain should be. The costs designs are perfect. No, 1:48:35.880 --> 1:48:36.400 I feel you. 1:48:36.720 --> 1:48:40.559 It's bright, it's beauty. It's so colorful, and when you 1:48:40.640 --> 1:48:43.960 watch it as a kid, it was like, yeah, this 1:48:44.080 --> 1:48:47.240 is exactly. These are my cartoons coming to life. This 1:48:47.320 --> 1:48:49.559 is the Batman that I know coming to life. This 1:48:49.600 --> 1:48:52.120 is the Poison Ivy, like this is this is my 1:48:52.200 --> 1:48:54.920 comic books coming to life. Also, I got to say 1:48:55.200 --> 1:48:57.040 before I hop off this because I know I'm supposed 1:48:57.040 --> 1:49:01.439 to be talking about HQ and Ivy. But George Clooney, 1:49:01.880 --> 1:49:06.559 to me, I think I tweeted this the best Bruce Wayne. 1:49:06.760 --> 1:49:11.240 He is To me, he's the most charming billionaire, because 1:49:11.280 --> 1:49:15.240 what I the City of Gotham trusts a billionaire, which 1:49:15.439 --> 1:49:19.599 side I But if you're gonna trust anyone and you're 1:49:19.600 --> 1:49:22.240 gonna be like, oh well, he's the bachelor of our times, 1:49:22.560 --> 1:49:25.160 it's George Clooney. He is the most likable. 1:49:25.280 --> 1:49:25.640 To me. 1:49:25.960 --> 1:49:27.400 I also love Keith I mean, I love all the 1:49:27.400 --> 1:49:30.639 Batman but like Keaton is second. But I feel George 1:49:30.680 --> 1:49:35.439 Clooney's best Bruce Wayne philanthropist, like ladies man. 1:49:36.400 --> 1:49:40.080 To me, he's absolutely the most believable ladies man. And 1:49:40.160 --> 1:49:43.000 I also I love him in that movie. So yeah, 1:49:43.160 --> 1:49:45.439 I love this and I'm so happy to find that 1:49:45.600 --> 1:49:47.920 this is another boom. 1:49:48.680 --> 1:49:51.880 Literally I am posting by the time this has come out, 1:49:51.920 --> 1:49:54.559 I have posted a Poison Ivy photoshoot that I did 1:49:55.240 --> 1:49:57.679 h and I used one of her quotes about tending 1:49:58.040 --> 1:50:00.320 and it was like, come join us and come joined 1:50:00.320 --> 1:50:04.080 me in ten tend to my garden. So I'm all 1:50:04.120 --> 1:50:06.080 about it. I love her Poison Ivy. 1:50:06.520 --> 1:50:10.800 In Incredible News, we have been joined by Jason Conceptio 1:50:10.840 --> 1:50:13.040 and my incredible co host, who was summoned by the 1:50:13.080 --> 1:50:14.400 mention of by manm. 1:50:14.160 --> 1:50:25.679 Robbin nipples, nipples. 1:50:25.280 --> 1:50:30.200 Nipples, nipples on the batsuit. 1:50:32.120 --> 1:50:34.160 What a legendary that was. 1:50:35.000 --> 1:50:37.080 I know what a legendary thing that was that they 1:50:37.120 --> 1:50:39.000 had the the nipples on the batsuit. 1:50:39.000 --> 1:50:40.320 It was beautiful. I agree. 1:50:40.320 --> 1:50:43.440 I was just listening in George Clooney is a fantastic 1:50:43.479 --> 1:50:47.880 Bruce Wayne so debonair and charming and brought a level listen. 1:50:48.640 --> 1:50:53.800 Keaton is great, I'll Colma very good, but like he 1:50:53.880 --> 1:50:57.800 brought a different level of like acting, maybe because I 1:50:57.800 --> 1:50:59.360 don't know if he liked what he was doing, but 1:50:59.400 --> 1:51:01.479 he brought like a different energy to it that was 1:51:01.560 --> 1:51:03.080 really debonair and good. 1:51:03.960 --> 1:51:07.320 Yeah, yes, I love that, and it's like it's something 1:51:07.360 --> 1:51:11.479 I really liked about Robert Pattinson's Batman was how like 1:51:11.520 --> 1:51:13.960 grimy he was. That to me is like a realism 1:51:14.000 --> 1:51:16.439 Bruce Wayne. It's like he's like a Greebo who lives 1:51:16.479 --> 1:51:19.400 in a train station and can't go outside because he's 1:51:19.400 --> 1:51:23.600 dedicated his life to, you know, avenging his parents and 1:51:23.640 --> 1:51:26.560 making off them a better place. But in the idealistic, 1:51:26.720 --> 1:51:31.759 like comic book world of Batman and Robin, Bruce Wayne 1:51:32.040 --> 1:51:35.439 is charming and you believe that these women want to 1:51:35.479 --> 1:51:38.240 throw themselves at him, and he's arguing with Robin over 1:51:38.320 --> 1:51:41.280 poison ivy like that. It's tonally just perfect and I 1:51:41.360 --> 1:51:43.800 truly I love that movie so much. I've talked about 1:51:43.800 --> 1:51:45.280 it on the podcast. I always say to people just 1:51:45.320 --> 1:51:46.720 go and watch it because you will have fun. So 1:51:46.760 --> 1:51:51.360 I'm glad I have once again been supported love it. 1:51:51.760 --> 1:51:53.479 Yeah, you'll have to do a bonus episode, have me 1:51:53.560 --> 1:51:55.599 on to just watch it or like a watch along 1:51:55.720 --> 1:51:56.200 or something. 1:51:56.360 --> 1:51:59.160 Yeah, we'll just do our own. It's our director's commentary. 1:51:59.320 --> 1:52:03.760 It's just talking about it. So yeah, You've talked about 1:52:03.760 --> 1:52:06.679 how you came to know these characters and love them, 1:52:06.760 --> 1:52:08.599 So what how did it come about that you were 1:52:08.640 --> 1:52:10.640 going to write them for this Pride issue. 1:52:10.840 --> 1:52:13.000 Yeah, so I actually met with DC a couple of 1:52:13.080 --> 1:52:15.559 years ago and told them that I wanted to write 1:52:15.600 --> 1:52:20.639 them or like I said, Diana, who's another woman that's 1:52:20.760 --> 1:52:24.200 very near and dear to my heart. And then I 1:52:24.320 --> 1:52:27.519 just went off and wrote TV for a couple of years, 1:52:27.560 --> 1:52:31.320 mainly during the pandemic that I've been Actually, all the 1:52:31.400 --> 1:52:34.120 last three shows I've written on have been Warner Brothers shows. 1:52:34.479 --> 1:52:37.559 This is a Warner Brothers property. I'm working on a 1:52:37.560 --> 1:52:39.360 Warner feature right now. So I feel like I'm just 1:52:39.400 --> 1:52:42.479 me and Warner Brothers are just you know, I'm I'm 1:52:42.640 --> 1:52:46.240 in the tower up there, so you'll live and live 1:52:46.320 --> 1:52:49.519 up in the tower. And so they hit me up 1:52:49.680 --> 1:52:53.320 for this Pride They wrote my manager and where like, 1:52:53.360 --> 1:52:56.280 we want Danny to write a Harley Quinn Poison Ivy story. 1:52:56.840 --> 1:52:59.879 And I think it helps that I had the background 1:52:59.920 --> 1:53:03.280 I did that I'd been as vocal about loving them. Also, 1:53:04.800 --> 1:53:08.960 I know the guys over at Harley Quinn Animated series. 1:53:09.360 --> 1:53:12.840 I've also worked with Charlie Adler, he directs, and it 1:53:12.880 --> 1:53:15.800 does voices in it. But anyways, that's all to say, 1:53:15.800 --> 1:53:17.960 I've been in this wheelhouse, I've been in this family. 1:53:18.280 --> 1:53:22.160 I've hosted. I was on the Crisis Aftermath panels with 1:53:22.439 --> 1:53:24.720 Kevin Smith on the CW. So I've definitely been in 1:53:24.760 --> 1:53:28.360 the DC Warner Brothers family. But I was just over 1:53:28.400 --> 1:53:31.960 writing TV and so I was very honored that they 1:53:32.000 --> 1:53:35.720 wanted me to write these two huge icons for this. 1:53:36.360 --> 1:53:38.280 And then I had to come up with a story, 1:53:39.600 --> 1:53:41.920 a short story, no less, which is like I'm used 1:53:41.960 --> 1:53:45.200 to at Netflix. I'm writing, you know, like sixty pages 1:53:45.560 --> 1:53:48.919 an hour long drama, and so it's actually very difficult 1:53:49.000 --> 1:53:51.479 to write a short story because it's like you got 1:53:51.479 --> 1:53:54.559 to get in and out, but can't be too quick. 1:53:54.720 --> 1:53:57.600 You can't take too long. You know, you have to 1:53:57.600 --> 1:54:00.680 have it resolved by the end. And I really just 1:54:00.720 --> 1:54:03.519 wanted them to have fun, Like I know that we're 1:54:03.560 --> 1:54:06.920 going to be talking about queer stuff on here, and 1:54:06.960 --> 1:54:08.720 so like that was one of my biggest things is 1:54:09.120 --> 1:54:12.519 I want the ability to have the range where if 1:54:12.520 --> 1:54:15.719 you want to talk about things that are a little heavier, 1:54:16.520 --> 1:54:19.439 or things that are really heavy, or trauma or whatever. 1:54:19.560 --> 1:54:21.960 I am. Anyone that follows me on Twitter knows I 1:54:21.960 --> 1:54:25.400 talk about trauma a lot, but sometimes in my art 1:54:26.000 --> 1:54:30.559 I don't want to. And I just wanted them to 1:54:30.600 --> 1:54:33.400 get to play. And so there is a little bit 1:54:34.080 --> 1:54:38.080 of a discussion of their past selves in this and 1:54:37.640 --> 1:54:40.480 some of the stuff that they some of their deepest fears, 1:54:40.520 --> 1:54:42.760 I will say, But other than that, I really just 1:54:42.840 --> 1:54:45.720 wanted to see what I could do. In fact, when 1:54:45.720 --> 1:54:47.400 they asked me, that was the first thing I said 1:54:47.640 --> 1:54:50.120 was what can I get away with? And Jessica Chen, 1:54:50.240 --> 1:54:56.080 my editor, was like, let's see. So she was very Yeah, 1:54:56.160 --> 1:54:58.560 she's also a queer woman of color, and so it 1:54:58.600 --> 1:55:00.760 was great to work with her and just kind of 1:55:00.760 --> 1:55:03.680 we I would send her stuff and ideas and she 1:55:03.720 --> 1:55:05.760 would get really excited, and I would get really excited 1:55:05.760 --> 1:55:06.800 that she was excited. 1:55:07.320 --> 1:55:07.640 Uh. 1:55:07.680 --> 1:55:12.200 So we have some really beautiful scenes in the comic 1:55:12.480 --> 1:55:13.400 between the two of them. 1:55:15.080 --> 1:55:16.800 Yeah. Something that I was going to ask you about 1:55:17.040 --> 1:55:19.080 one ges Chen is putting like, if you look at 1:55:19.080 --> 1:55:21.520 the best DC comics coming out right now, gess Chen's 1:55:21.600 --> 1:55:23.400 name is on them. So as soon as you said 1:55:23.440 --> 1:55:25.360 that was young with them, Like that makes sense. So 1:55:25.400 --> 1:55:27.000 you talk about like what you could get away with 1:55:27.240 --> 1:55:29.839 something you build in here is like there are elements 1:55:29.880 --> 1:55:33.080 of like rope bondage and different kinds of knots, so 1:55:33.280 --> 1:55:35.600 that the IVY users on Harley, could you talk about that, 1:55:35.600 --> 1:55:37.960 because it's very cool to see that in DC comic 1:55:38.040 --> 1:55:40.800 and Zoe Thurrogod the artist does such a brilliant job 1:55:40.840 --> 1:55:41.920 of bringing it to life. 1:55:42.360 --> 1:55:45.200 Yeah, so we wanted something that was like if you know, 1:55:45.360 --> 1:55:47.800 you know, we kept calling it like the a tip 1:55:47.840 --> 1:55:50.040 of the hat, We're like, and then the tip of 1:55:50.080 --> 1:55:52.680 the hat. And so it was like, if you're into 1:55:52.720 --> 1:55:57.480 BDSM or you would you would very clearly identify the 1:55:57.520 --> 1:56:00.960 type of knots and body did or rap. What I 1:56:01.000 --> 1:56:03.880 will say is she's wrapped in Harley is wrapped in 1:56:04.560 --> 1:56:08.720 vines from Ivy. But if you don't, it just looks 1:56:08.840 --> 1:56:11.120 like she's wrapped up. You know, she's caught in this, 1:56:11.480 --> 1:56:14.360 in this trap. And so that to me is what 1:56:14.480 --> 1:56:16.560 I want it to be. You know, I want if 1:56:16.600 --> 1:56:21.800 you're you're sexually active, you know to but but you know, 1:56:21.960 --> 1:56:24.160 if you're not, and you're giving this to your mom, 1:56:24.200 --> 1:56:28.960 although she might be too, you really don't know. It's fine. 1:56:29.040 --> 1:56:31.960 She wouldn't know, she wouldn't know anything, and so that's 1:56:32.120 --> 1:56:35.160 kind of what I like playing with uh sometimes. There 1:56:35.240 --> 1:56:39.360 was another scene that I had where I wrote Zoe 1:56:39.440 --> 1:56:42.880 if she can do a sweeping kiss like Mortician Gomez, 1:56:43.160 --> 1:56:45.600 which is the end of Adam's Family where they're in 1:56:45.760 --> 1:56:48.760 the doorway and he kind of is bending her over, 1:56:49.360 --> 1:56:51.040 And to me, I just want to say, because I 1:56:51.120 --> 1:56:56.280 have this platform, Gomez, Adams is queer, He's sexually fluid. 1:56:56.320 --> 1:56:58.640 There's no way you you're telling me that man who 1:56:58.760 --> 1:57:02.200 is that like wab and that he's not sexual, that 1:57:02.320 --> 1:57:04.440 man is sexually fluid. I'm gonna go ahead and say 1:57:04.480 --> 1:57:07.200 that they both have easily had thirds and he is 1:57:08.800 --> 1:57:14.160 also a bi icon. So I basically what's fun about 1:57:14.240 --> 1:57:20.520 getting to create art is taking from things that influenced 1:57:20.560 --> 1:57:22.320 you when you were growing up. Of like, this scene 1:57:22.400 --> 1:57:24.480 is so iconic for me. Can we take my characters 1:57:24.520 --> 1:57:25.320 and make this scene? 1:57:25.920 --> 1:57:26.040 MM? 1:57:28.960 --> 1:57:30.920 Apologies if you discussed this before, but. 1:57:32.520 --> 1:57:38.120 Harlivey is one of the most beloved couples, probably in DC, 1:57:38.320 --> 1:57:39.560 maybe in comics in general. 1:57:39.920 --> 1:57:40.600 What was it? 1:57:41.240 --> 1:57:43.360 What was it about them that drew you to this 1:57:43.480 --> 1:57:44.840 idea of doing a story. 1:57:45.240 --> 1:57:47.560 I just love that there's Yeah, I love that they're 1:57:47.600 --> 1:57:52.680 so unapologetically themselves, which is something the comics obviously are doing. 1:57:52.760 --> 1:57:56.400 But also I love seeing on HBO Max with the 1:57:56.440 --> 1:58:01.880 animated series is that they get because that's what they 1:58:01.960 --> 1:58:04.800 would do, and it's so funny. I'll make fun of 1:58:04.840 --> 1:58:07.960 Batman on Twitter, and of course people get mad, and 1:58:07.960 --> 1:58:10.680 I'm like, can't we have some fun at expense of 1:58:10.760 --> 1:58:16.360 the bat Like I'm always like, I was like, yeah, 1:58:16.400 --> 1:58:18.920 but I'm also like, so are you only going to 1:58:19.000 --> 1:58:22.360 bat for the bat like or are you allowed to 1:58:22.440 --> 1:58:25.560 play as some of the other characters? And so I 1:58:25.720 --> 1:58:28.320 just love that they just don't care, like they just 1:58:28.840 --> 1:58:33.720 they just don't care about pleasing anyone else. And you 1:58:33.800 --> 1:58:36.480 know they're still figuring out their journey. You know that 1:58:36.560 --> 1:58:40.760 they've been written by so many different creators now and 1:58:41.160 --> 1:58:43.960 there's so many It's great that my story can exist 1:58:44.440 --> 1:58:46.520 and another story can exist. There can be so many 1:58:46.560 --> 1:58:49.560 different tellings of them, and my favorite stories are the 1:58:49.600 --> 1:58:52.880 ones where they're figuring out their relationship with each other, 1:58:54.040 --> 1:58:56.360 because I truly don't think anyone else really knows what 1:58:56.480 --> 1:58:59.960 it's like to be them than them, right, So that's 1:59:00.080 --> 1:59:03.480 why they have such a strong bond. And but what 1:59:03.640 --> 1:59:06.280 happens when your lover is your best friend and now 1:59:06.360 --> 1:59:09.200 you lose your best friend when you lose your lover, 1:59:11.120 --> 1:59:13.680 and that was a concern. I know when I got announced, 1:59:14.200 --> 1:59:16.320 I saw several fans that were like, oh, is she 1:59:16.440 --> 1:59:18.120 gonna break them up? Because you know they got broken 1:59:18.200 --> 1:59:19.480 up by another by woman. 1:59:21.880 --> 1:59:23.120 Which I was like, I. 1:59:24.800 --> 1:59:28.760 Was like, yeah, let me have them meet Danny Fernandez. Like, literally, Danny, 1:59:29.040 --> 1:59:30.960 I'll just put myself in the comics. I'm like, I've 1:59:30.960 --> 1:59:33.040 already been animated. I'll just put myself in the. 1:59:33.320 --> 1:59:36.920 Girls animal Man style. You're just like the writer is 1:59:37.040 --> 1:59:39.920 in the book. No, I really love that and like 1:59:40.000 --> 1:59:42.520 something I thought was really cool about this comic which 1:59:42.560 --> 1:59:44.480 is out there now. So I'm gonna say this because 1:59:44.520 --> 1:59:46.360 I'm not telling the story, but it's a it's a 1:59:46.560 --> 1:59:48.720 it's an important point. Something that I really love is 1:59:48.800 --> 1:59:51.840 you have that challenge, you have that sauciness, you have 1:59:51.920 --> 1:59:55.000 that fun but there's this big moment where like love 1:59:55.400 --> 1:59:57.880 is this most powerful thing and saying I love you 1:59:58.040 --> 2:00:02.040 and that's really it's so it feels so warm and 2:00:02.200 --> 2:00:04.400 striking and intone of them. So could you talk a 2:00:04.440 --> 2:00:06.120 little bit about that moment and why it was kind 2:00:06.120 --> 2:00:06.839 of so important. 2:00:07.400 --> 2:00:09.160 Yeah. I mean, I think these are two women who 2:00:09.440 --> 2:00:16.400 rightfully have walls, have so much trauma, and rightfully might 2:00:16.520 --> 2:00:19.680 not full haven't been exposed. I would say to the 2:00:20.080 --> 2:00:25.080 unconditional love, love without conditions, and they get that in 2:00:25.200 --> 2:00:29.640 each other. And I think it's still you know, when 2:00:29.680 --> 2:00:32.160 you've been burned so many times. I think we can 2:00:32.240 --> 2:00:35.280 all probably relate to this. When you have something that 2:00:35.360 --> 2:00:39.000 feels good, you sabotage it or you just question it. 2:00:39.200 --> 2:00:42.520 And so this story is kind of feeding into their 2:00:42.640 --> 2:00:47.000 worst fears about that that I don't deserve. That's another thing. 2:00:47.080 --> 2:00:49.000 I mean, how many times it's hardly her entire life 2:00:49.040 --> 2:00:52.760 heard that she doesn't deserve, that she's not worthy of love, 2:00:53.880 --> 2:00:57.360 you know, of being fully herself. And these are they 2:00:57.440 --> 2:00:59.640 can finally put let their guards down. It's like, but 2:00:59.720 --> 2:01:02.400 are you going to is the other part of that 2:01:02.960 --> 2:01:05.840 now that you finally can? And so I think I 2:01:05.880 --> 2:01:08.520 think their love for each other in that moment just 2:01:08.640 --> 2:01:12.680 kind of like triumphs over their fears. I actually have 2:01:13.480 --> 2:01:15.440 I have like a I'm looking at it right now, 2:01:15.480 --> 2:01:18.000 have a sign that says choose love. But I often 2:01:18.080 --> 2:01:21.440 tell myself choose love over fear. In so much of 2:01:21.480 --> 2:01:23.560 my life, Like I had it as my wallpaper on 2:01:23.640 --> 2:01:27.000 my phone forever, just because it can be really easy 2:01:27.080 --> 2:01:31.240 to resort back to holding myself back or sabotaging or 2:01:31.800 --> 2:01:35.040 you know, trauma based things, which, like I said rightfully, 2:01:35.720 --> 2:01:38.160 but it takes a lot of courage. It's like very 2:01:38.240 --> 2:01:43.840 brave to love to catch feelings. To catch feelings is very. 2:01:43.800 --> 2:01:47.840 Brave what you talk about. 2:01:49.280 --> 2:01:53.600 There, How these two characters have experienced a lot of trauma, 2:01:54.160 --> 2:01:55.720 come from trauma in a lot of ways. Something I 2:01:55.760 --> 2:01:59.720 think about a lot with comic book stories that are 2:01:59.760 --> 2:02:06.040 so rooted in you know, origin stories that are often terrible, 2:02:06.360 --> 2:02:08.040 horrific events, et cetera. 2:02:08.600 --> 2:02:08.960 How do you. 2:02:10.760 --> 2:02:16.240 How do you balance talking about trauma in a way 2:02:16.440 --> 2:02:18.640 that isn't exploitive? 2:02:18.880 --> 2:02:20.360 Yeah, you know, like how do you how do you? 2:02:20.600 --> 2:02:20.920 How do you? 2:02:21.320 --> 2:02:24.480 How do you walk that line? And is there is 2:02:24.520 --> 2:02:26.280 there do you have like a meter in your head 2:02:26.320 --> 2:02:28.760 that lets you know, here's here's the kind of space 2:02:28.840 --> 2:02:31.400 that I want to work in when I'm talking about 2:02:32.040 --> 2:02:33.600 these kind of subjects through these. 2:02:33.520 --> 2:02:38.560 Characters honestly with them. Well, to answer your question on 2:02:38.680 --> 2:02:41.280 like everything that I've worked on, it really just depends. 2:02:41.600 --> 2:02:44.120 Sometimes I pull in the trauma more just because I 2:02:44.160 --> 2:02:46.960 feel like the story calls for it, and to understand. 2:02:47.000 --> 2:02:50.840 I always say that it it explains someone's actions, it 2:02:50.880 --> 2:02:53.360 doesn't excuse them. I know that we're talking about that 2:02:53.400 --> 2:02:55.480 a lot in the mental health community, and so sometimes 2:02:55.520 --> 2:02:57.600 you need to know the trauma in the back. You 2:02:57.680 --> 2:02:59.280 need to see it to be like, why is this 2:02:59.400 --> 2:03:05.040 person acting this way? With them? Though, if you're a 2:03:05.160 --> 2:03:08.600 DC reader, I feel you're pretty familiar with their trauma 2:03:12.320 --> 2:03:12.880 being murdered. 2:03:12.960 --> 2:03:15.680 Well, you know, you've seen it, you. 2:03:18.680 --> 2:03:22.640 Know, and so do you need to see that? I 2:03:22.760 --> 2:03:24.800 think instead I just put snippets of it. Again, it's 2:03:24.840 --> 2:03:27.840 just a short story. But in my in my other creations, 2:03:27.880 --> 2:03:30.680 in my other work, definitely I might dive in a 2:03:30.760 --> 2:03:33.000 little bit more. I just feel like I'm kind of 2:03:34.040 --> 2:03:38.720 moving away more and more. I feel, you know, I 2:03:38.800 --> 2:03:41.360 feel I feel the audience knows. That's That's one way. 2:03:41.400 --> 2:03:43.440 It's like treating the audience as if they've been through this, 2:03:43.600 --> 2:03:46.320 because I can imagine even if you don't relate to 2:03:46.440 --> 2:03:53.080 let's say, sexual trauma, relationship trauma, maybe parent trauma, and 2:03:53.440 --> 2:03:56.240 there's so many other Basically, what I'm saying is that 2:03:57.920 --> 2:04:00.160 I don't always know if we need to see it. 2:04:00.920 --> 2:04:02.120 Yeah, right, But. 2:04:02.240 --> 2:04:06.600 Watch I come out with something and it's just and 2:04:06.680 --> 2:04:08.920 people are gonna bring this up and I'll be like, oops. 2:04:09.440 --> 2:04:13.240 Uh So I was like that kind of ties into 2:04:13.280 --> 2:04:15.160 something I was really interested to ask you about, which 2:04:15.280 --> 2:04:19.080 was like that balancing of like celebration and then like reality. 2:04:19.360 --> 2:04:22.800 You mentioned Kevin Comory has a story in this issue, 2:04:22.840 --> 2:04:26.320 which is this incredibly moving or biographical comic And you 2:04:26.480 --> 2:04:28.680 grew up like we both did, like we all did 2:04:28.800 --> 2:04:31.840 with you know, Batman the animated series. So what's it 2:04:32.000 --> 2:04:35.640 like for your first published comic one to be with DC, 2:04:35.920 --> 2:04:38.880 like just starting at the top, and two to be 2:04:39.000 --> 2:04:41.879 alongside you know, our generation's Batman. 2:04:42.920 --> 2:04:45.560 It's very validating, It's very I have to say, it's 2:04:45.640 --> 2:04:49.440 very validating, like I'm so honored to write them. But 2:04:50.280 --> 2:04:52.640 I also just feel like I have been I mean, 2:04:52.720 --> 2:04:55.440 you know me for a while now, I've been hustling 2:04:56.720 --> 2:04:58.760 Rosy and I DM a lot because I'm always like, 2:04:58.960 --> 2:05:00.839 you know, I've been. I think I I was struggling 2:05:00.920 --> 2:05:03.040 to break into comics, I was struggling to break into TV. 2:05:03.280 --> 2:05:10.120 I've been, you know, despite my years of training that 2:05:10.200 --> 2:05:12.480 I've had both as a writer and an actress. This 2:05:12.640 --> 2:05:16.280 industry is not easy to break into, and even when 2:05:16.320 --> 2:05:19.400 you break in. I was listening to Jensen eccles story 2:05:19.440 --> 2:05:22.720 about getting Soldier Boy, this a different franchise, but it 2:05:22.880 --> 2:05:26.040 was like he had to fight. He had to fight, 2:05:26.320 --> 2:05:28.880 even though he'd worked with Eric, he had to fight 2:05:29.040 --> 2:05:31.080 to get that role. And I remember some of my 2:05:31.240 --> 2:05:36.160 acting friends were like, are you that's just even. 2:05:36.000 --> 2:05:36.640 At that level. 2:05:36.680 --> 2:05:41.200 They were like, that's exhausting. And so to have the 2:05:41.320 --> 2:05:45.840 validation of the years of work that I have put in, 2:05:46.040 --> 2:05:47.720 because I think if you're listening to you're like, oh, 2:05:47.800 --> 2:05:49.520 well this was just handed to her, I was like, no, no, no, no, 2:05:49.800 --> 2:05:52.160 there's years. Like I said that I've worked at Warner Brothers. 2:05:52.440 --> 2:05:56.600 There was years that I was working with, like I said, 2:05:56.640 --> 2:06:00.920 with DC and hosting and I having shows at Nerdice, 2:06:01.080 --> 2:06:04.560 talking to female creators like I've been doing the work 2:06:04.680 --> 2:06:07.320 behind this. I sold a show two HBO Max It's 2:06:07.320 --> 2:06:13.720 another Warner Brothers. So I've been behind the scenes writing scripts, submitting, auditioning, pitching, 2:06:14.280 --> 2:06:17.040 pitching again, selling things that you haven't even heard of 2:06:17.120 --> 2:06:19.600 or seen, having those dropped behind the scenes, being dropped 2:06:19.640 --> 2:06:22.920 from things like picking myself up again and again and 2:06:23.000 --> 2:06:25.840 again and again. And so it gets to a point 2:06:25.880 --> 2:06:30.320 though where I love when things can just come in easier, 2:06:30.600 --> 2:06:32.200 like when it can just be like an offer. 2:06:32.320 --> 2:06:33.320 And that's what this was. 2:06:33.880 --> 2:06:35.840 And what that says to me is that I have 2:06:36.040 --> 2:06:38.160 made such a name for myself that they knew who 2:06:38.200 --> 2:06:40.520 I was, they knew my work, they knew the things 2:06:40.520 --> 2:06:42.920 I'd written for and been on that they trusted me. 2:06:43.800 --> 2:06:46.480 So I think it was just validation of all the 2:06:46.680 --> 2:06:50.240 years of hard work that I've put in behind the scenes, 2:06:50.600 --> 2:06:50.760 you know. 2:06:51.280 --> 2:06:54.600 Pride to this year really has me thinking about the 2:06:55.080 --> 2:06:58.640 particular cultural moment we were in where it feels like 2:06:59.760 --> 2:07:06.080 you using the platform of anti transanimous, all of a sudden, 2:07:06.720 --> 2:07:10.240 all the rights that have been won in recent years 2:07:10.320 --> 2:07:14.400 seem like everything's under threat. It seems like, you know, 2:07:15.000 --> 2:07:20.320 homophobic language that was once commonplace like in the nineties, 2:07:20.520 --> 2:07:22.840 you know, is now just thrown around like you go 2:07:22.920 --> 2:07:25.560 on the internet now and it's just like everywhere with 2:07:26.920 --> 2:07:31.320 you know, the grooming discourse and this very toxic rhetoric 2:07:32.040 --> 2:07:39.040 aimed at LGBTQAI people. What does it mean to have 2:07:39.200 --> 2:07:42.880 a story in this year's DC Pride issue and what 2:07:43.000 --> 2:07:45.440 is it? What does pride mean in twenty twenty two, 2:07:45.640 --> 2:07:48.680 because it feels like this is just me speaking for 2:07:48.800 --> 2:07:51.440 me personally. I almost feel like I took it for 2:07:51.560 --> 2:07:54.960 granted a few like if we could go back in time, 2:07:55.120 --> 2:07:58.760 like two years, My inner feelings on a lot of 2:07:58.840 --> 2:08:03.520 this stuff was there bad people out there who hate 2:08:03.560 --> 2:08:07.560 gay people, hate the LGBTQAI community in general. 2:08:07.760 --> 2:08:10.440 But largely, by and large. 2:08:10.800 --> 2:08:15.880 LGBTQAI people won that one and continue to march on. 2:08:16.200 --> 2:08:19.920 It doesn't feel like that anymore. It feels a lot 2:08:20.000 --> 2:08:21.000 scarier in fact. 2:08:21.360 --> 2:08:25.000 So I was wondering if you could just talk about 2:08:25.040 --> 2:08:27.240 how it feels to have this story this year and 2:08:27.560 --> 2:08:29.920 what does it mean to what does pride mean in 2:08:29.960 --> 2:08:30.640 twenty twenty two? 2:08:30.880 --> 2:08:34.520 Yeah, I really think that pride for me in twenty 2:08:34.600 --> 2:08:38.360 twenty two, like being openly queer, and even like wearing 2:08:39.120 --> 2:08:44.240 our flag, our rainbow flag, like feels like is an 2:08:44.240 --> 2:08:47.480 act of bravery. And I know, I was in Greece 2:08:49.160 --> 2:08:52.880 right before the comic dropped, and I was talking to 2:08:52.960 --> 2:08:54.840 a staying at this hotel, and like I was staying 2:08:54.880 --> 2:08:56.200 there for a couple of days, so I'd see the 2:08:56.280 --> 2:08:58.280 manager and they're always like, oh, what what are you 2:08:58.360 --> 2:09:00.280 wearing today because I was getting all dressed up, like 2:09:00.400 --> 2:09:02.240 every time I would go out into the town, I'd 2:09:02.240 --> 2:09:05.240 always get dressed up. And then I came down in 2:09:05.680 --> 2:09:09.800 a rainbow gown which I ended up wearing when I 2:09:09.880 --> 2:09:14.720 did a DC Pride signing, and his face changed and 2:09:14.880 --> 2:09:18.160 it was so I just didn't expect it. It just 2:09:18.440 --> 2:09:21.400 was like oh, and it was business as normal. Instead 2:09:21.400 --> 2:09:23.160 of like, oh, what are you doing? Where are you going? 2:09:23.280 --> 2:09:26.480 Like being really excited, it was just like, oh, nice 2:09:26.520 --> 2:09:29.680 to see you, you know, And I was I'm kind 2:09:29.720 --> 2:09:31.280 of like you where I was like, oh, I thought 2:09:31.960 --> 2:09:36.840 we were past that. I didn't. Also, I was going 2:09:36.840 --> 2:09:38.520 with my girlfriends, so I feel like they were like, 2:09:38.600 --> 2:09:42.360 these two clearly are together, you know, people that know us, 2:09:42.600 --> 2:09:44.120 even people that know because we were in all the 2:09:44.120 --> 2:09:47.640 photos together, they were like, are you all together? I 2:09:47.720 --> 2:09:52.600 had no idea, and so they're just a couple of goals. 2:09:53.720 --> 2:09:56.560 We were friends. But it was just funny that we're traveling, 2:09:56.560 --> 2:09:59.200 we're traveling without men, we're traveling together. You know, we're 2:09:59.240 --> 2:10:01.440 living the high life in Greece. Now I sound like 2:10:01.520 --> 2:10:08.120 uma and uh, And I was so sad, you know, 2:10:08.360 --> 2:10:11.240 I had like built this like, oh you know, like 2:10:11.360 --> 2:10:13.400 talking talking to the locals, and I want to say 2:10:13.960 --> 2:10:16.400 Mikons like that's also where I was, which we I 2:10:16.440 --> 2:10:17.920 remember turning to my friend, I'm like, there's so many 2:10:17.960 --> 2:10:21.840 gay bars here or so like everyone's gay U And 2:10:22.480 --> 2:10:24.520 I was still cut off guard by their reaction. And 2:10:24.560 --> 2:10:27.960 I guess I'm just not. I haven't had to deal 2:10:28.040 --> 2:10:29.720 with that. You know, you think, like, oh, I come 2:10:29.760 --> 2:10:34.120 out with this in Lubbock, you know, yeah, I'm going 2:10:34.160 --> 2:10:37.200 to get some looks. But I'm in Wiho or I'm 2:10:37.240 --> 2:10:40.440 in Mekons, like, I don't expect anyone to treat me differently. 2:10:40.600 --> 2:10:44.240 And yet and yet we are, we are seen, not 2:10:44.360 --> 2:10:47.640 even in La. You know, you can be there's hate 2:10:47.640 --> 2:10:51.280 crimes happening in La. So it was a it was 2:10:51.320 --> 2:10:53.160 a kind of a gut punch, And I agree with you. 2:10:53.280 --> 2:10:56.200 I feel like I've been a little sheltered being in Hollywood. 2:10:58.120 --> 2:11:01.480 Not from comments I would say online, no, but just 2:11:01.680 --> 2:11:05.400 you know, you could you could be like half naked 2:11:05.760 --> 2:11:08.520 and whatever, like on the street. I never no one's 2:11:08.560 --> 2:11:11.920 gonna look twice. But I forget that even where I 2:11:12.000 --> 2:11:14.840 grew up in Texas, it's still a it's still a battle. 2:11:15.520 --> 2:11:22.000 So yeah, how does it feel then to be to 2:11:22.120 --> 2:11:24.520 have this platform to tell this story that is joyful 2:11:24.680 --> 2:11:27.240 and about queer love and about two women who love 2:11:27.280 --> 2:11:30.040 each other and a badass and and be putting that 2:11:30.240 --> 2:11:32.000 out in this space. 2:11:32.920 --> 2:11:36.640 Yeah, I mean it feels it feels like I won, 2:11:40.480 --> 2:11:43.960 I mean, getting paid to write queer stories. But you know, 2:11:44.040 --> 2:11:46.000 I had a tweet that was, like, the gay Agenda 2:11:46.160 --> 2:11:48.880 is just keeping us alive. Like everyone keeps talking about 2:11:48.880 --> 2:11:50.800 the gay Agenda and Disney and the gay Agenda, and 2:11:50.920 --> 2:11:52.840 DC in the Gay Agenda, Marvel, and I'm like, we 2:11:53.120 --> 2:11:56.080 just exist, And like that's what I did with these two. 2:11:56.160 --> 2:11:59.240 They're not fucking talking about like they're just existing as 2:11:59.240 --> 2:12:01.040 a girlfrid They're having a fight that they would have 2:12:01.880 --> 2:12:04.680 any type of defining the relationship type of thing that 2:12:04.800 --> 2:12:07.360 anyone goes through, whether you're queer or not. They're having 2:12:07.400 --> 2:12:09.600 a fight about it, you know, or they're they're you know, 2:12:09.720 --> 2:12:14.880 having some some misconceptions and miscommunication, and so it's it's 2:12:14.960 --> 2:12:17.920 such a it's really difficult because there's a lot of 2:12:18.040 --> 2:12:20.760 talk about not queer baiting, you know, and not having 2:12:20.880 --> 2:12:24.120 just queer characters, but not showing anything behind the scenes, 2:12:24.200 --> 2:12:26.560 not showing them being queer. But then a large part 2:12:26.600 --> 2:12:28.440 of me is like I just want them to exist 2:12:29.160 --> 2:12:31.720 and not be like you know, well, it's the same 2:12:31.760 --> 2:12:35.360 thing I deal with with LATINX stories, where it's like 2:12:35.480 --> 2:12:38.360 I don't want to talk about deportage, you know, I 2:12:38.520 --> 2:12:40.400 just want you to go on a date and not 2:12:40.520 --> 2:12:44.720 talk about your parents like getting deported. And but it's 2:12:44.760 --> 2:12:47.480 hard because I want the storytellers who do want to 2:12:47.480 --> 2:12:48.240 talk about that be. 2:12:48.280 --> 2:12:53.160 Able to you know, yeah, I struggle with that as well, 2:12:53.720 --> 2:12:57.040 in terms of you know, you know, like no one 2:12:57.120 --> 2:13:00.680 wants to to your point, no one wants. Everybody wants 2:13:00.720 --> 2:13:04.120 to just tell a story about people in love going 2:13:04.120 --> 2:13:07.400 about their day, living their life, unafraid to walk around 2:13:07.400 --> 2:13:10.280 and be themselves. And at the same time, man, does 2:13:10.320 --> 2:13:15.440 it feel ever more important sometimes to highlight Hey, this 2:13:15.680 --> 2:13:18.760 is here are the dangers, Here are the bad things 2:13:18.800 --> 2:13:21.800 that happen. Here are the things people go through all 2:13:21.880 --> 2:13:25.960 the time when they are persecuted for loving a person. 2:13:27.440 --> 2:13:29.760 It's just that's why. 2:13:29.680 --> 2:13:32.040 I'm so glad that we have you on and we're 2:13:32.080 --> 2:13:36.000 talking about this story in this issue, because it's just, 2:13:36.280 --> 2:13:40.360 you know, again, stuff that felt like I personally took 2:13:40.400 --> 2:13:43.280 it for granted, the progress that had been made over 2:13:43.320 --> 2:13:47.880 the last several years and decades now feels like, man, 2:13:48.000 --> 2:13:50.120 all this stuff can go away. So now we have 2:13:50.240 --> 2:13:54.200 to like hustle backwards talk about stuff that had seemed 2:13:54.280 --> 2:13:57.919 one a few years ago, and even maybe even subjects 2:13:58.000 --> 2:14:02.320 that you know, we felt like we were storytellers had 2:14:02.360 --> 2:14:04.600 moved past, and now it's time to tell those stories again. 2:14:05.600 --> 2:14:07.040 That's why I'm so happy. 2:14:06.840 --> 2:14:08.440 That we have you on Well. 2:14:08.560 --> 2:14:10.360 One thing I do want to say, though, is I 2:14:10.600 --> 2:14:15.480 would just encourage any storytellers that come from a marginalized background, 2:14:17.040 --> 2:14:19.920 obviously if you feel called to that story one hundred percent. 2:14:20.040 --> 2:14:21.000 We need those stories. 2:14:21.280 --> 2:14:21.520 To me. 2:14:21.680 --> 2:14:24.600 I had to start checking myself of why, Like when 2:14:24.600 --> 2:14:26.400 you said it was so important to educate it, so 2:14:26.720 --> 2:14:28.200 I'm like, well, who am I writing this for? 2:14:28.600 --> 2:14:28.840 Yeah? 2:14:29.360 --> 2:14:33.040 Do my people need to see more trauma? I don't know, 2:14:33.800 --> 2:14:36.320 they know it do, But is that a part of 2:14:36.360 --> 2:14:36.880 that story? 2:14:37.040 --> 2:14:37.240 Sure? 2:14:37.360 --> 2:14:39.680 That's why it's such there's no I want whoever's listening. 2:14:39.880 --> 2:14:41.240 There is no correct answer. 2:14:41.400 --> 2:14:42.280 There's no correct answer. 2:14:42.320 --> 2:14:44.600 It's just when you feel like, well I need to 2:14:44.640 --> 2:14:46.400 speak on this because they need to be seeing it, 2:14:46.520 --> 2:14:47.120 who is they? 2:14:50.240 --> 2:14:50.280 No? 2:14:50.400 --> 2:14:53.880 But seriously, A lot when we're talking about black and 2:14:53.960 --> 2:14:57.680 brown trauma. When you're talking about that, it's like, do 2:14:57.880 --> 2:15:01.360 they need like, do your own peepeople need to see that? 2:15:02.040 --> 2:15:04.520 And maybe your answer at the time is yes. Maybe 2:15:04.880 --> 2:15:06.880 the answer at your time is no, I actually just 2:15:06.920 --> 2:15:09.320 want to focus on black joy. I just want to 2:15:09.360 --> 2:15:12.080 focus on brown excellence. I just want to focus on 2:15:12.280 --> 2:15:15.880 you know, it's like you should be allowed the range, though, 2:15:16.040 --> 2:15:19.480 I really want to say that, And so I had 2:15:19.520 --> 2:15:22.040 to start checking myself of like why do I feel 2:15:22.120 --> 2:15:24.840 if I'm having an immigration story, who am I teaching 2:15:24.880 --> 2:15:26.360 this to? And why do I feel they need to 2:15:26.400 --> 2:15:26.680 see this? 2:15:27.280 --> 2:15:28.200 Is it for my people? 2:15:28.280 --> 2:15:31.560 They're very aware of this, so who And that's fine. 2:15:32.120 --> 2:15:37.080 But I think it's having that conversation of our responsibilities, 2:15:38.320 --> 2:15:42.280 our platforms, and what you actually want to do. Like 2:15:42.400 --> 2:15:44.560 when I look at how many white group of friends 2:15:44.720 --> 2:15:47.960 just dicking around, like I want to write a story 2:15:48.000 --> 2:15:51.200 about my my dumb ass friends in college dicking around 2:15:52.040 --> 2:15:56.320 simply dicking around, just dicking around, you know, sitting on 2:15:56.440 --> 2:16:00.160 people's faces, dicking their dicks in places, and like know, 2:16:00.400 --> 2:16:03.520 just having fun. There's a lot of drama that comes 2:16:03.600 --> 2:16:05.920 with that. There's a lot of juiciness you know that 2:16:06.040 --> 2:16:11.520 can come with that that isn't necessarily related to hate crimes. 2:16:11.760 --> 2:16:15.120 And so this this is gonna sound like I'm against them, 2:16:15.120 --> 2:16:17.560 I'm not. I sold a show that was about trauma, 2:16:17.680 --> 2:16:20.640 that was about suicide. It was about my life, and 2:16:20.840 --> 2:16:25.760 so I definitely have written about trauma. But I also 2:16:25.840 --> 2:16:29.560 want the luxury of not of not even looking at 2:16:29.640 --> 2:16:33.920 that sometimes. So I'm glad that both can exist, and 2:16:34.000 --> 2:16:37.880 I really want marginalized groups to be able to have 2:16:38.120 --> 2:16:38.800 both exist. 2:16:39.320 --> 2:16:41.360 Okay, I'm just gonna just because i want to know this, 2:16:41.560 --> 2:16:44.240 this is okay, I'm really glad one, I'm really glad 2:16:44.280 --> 2:16:47.080 that we had you on. But like you know, talking 2:16:47.080 --> 2:16:50.880 about queer Supero is talking about your space, your platform, 2:16:51.240 --> 2:16:53.600 the stories you want to tell. Who is like the 2:16:53.680 --> 2:16:55.560 Supero that you would most like to play? 2:16:56.280 --> 2:17:02.200 Oh gosh, you know, I look the most. I feel 2:17:02.240 --> 2:17:06.040 like Jessica Cruz. So I like, have fans do art 2:17:06.080 --> 2:17:09.800 and they've sent me art. This probably not like I 2:17:09.840 --> 2:17:11.400 don't know how I look now, but there are definitely 2:17:11.480 --> 2:17:13.760 times in photo shoots where like we have the same 2:17:13.920 --> 2:17:19.200 jaw so her I mean also another DC. Yeah, I 2:17:19.360 --> 2:17:22.800 think I'm trying to think of other ones, but she 2:17:22.959 --> 2:17:25.520 is the one that comes to mind the most so, 2:17:26.320 --> 2:17:29.920 and she's also a trauma survivor. Every superhero is a 2:17:29.959 --> 2:17:30.960 trauma survivor. 2:17:32.480 --> 2:17:35.560 Every single there's not every single one. There's not a 2:17:35.640 --> 2:17:39.760 single one that that is not that, which is honestly, 2:17:40.080 --> 2:17:42.280 you know a lot of what I love about the 2:17:42.360 --> 2:17:45.560 genre and fantasy stories and sci fi stories because it's 2:17:45.600 --> 2:17:50.760 a lot about finding power from traumatic events and taking 2:17:50.840 --> 2:17:55.960 ownership of that and repurposing that, you know, under your 2:17:56.000 --> 2:17:59.280 own agency, taking those things that happen to you and 2:17:59.400 --> 2:18:02.720 making them or power. Yeah, it's just a very compelling 2:18:03.600 --> 2:18:06.160 idea that I think we all wish we could do 2:18:06.600 --> 2:18:07.560 as we move through life. 2:18:07.840 --> 2:18:11.600 M hmm, yeah, yeah, I love that. That was very good, Jason. 2:18:14.040 --> 2:18:17.960 So have you watched Miss Marvel yet? Mm hmmm, And 2:18:18.120 --> 2:18:19.480 what are you feeling about it? 2:18:20.160 --> 2:18:20.800 I loved it. 2:18:21.200 --> 2:18:26.600 I saw it at the premiere. They showed us to episodes, 2:18:26.640 --> 2:18:28.280 so those are the I think I'm caught up now 2:18:28.360 --> 2:18:36.119 with everybody. Gosh, it is so refreshing, and I love 2:18:36.200 --> 2:18:38.880 the fact that it feels different than any of the 2:18:38.959 --> 2:18:43.880 other properties it. Honestly, the risks that they took and 2:18:44.080 --> 2:18:47.360 incorporating animation and things like that and the editing, which 2:18:47.360 --> 2:18:49.320 I want to shout out to the editors don't always 2:18:49.320 --> 2:18:52.400 get as much love, but like editing, the directing, like 2:18:52.600 --> 2:18:56.960 the writing, all of it, the acting top notch. It 2:18:57.080 --> 2:19:01.600 reminded me kind of of what mar Slash Sony is 2:19:01.680 --> 2:19:05.520 doing over in the Spider Verse with getting to play 2:19:06.720 --> 2:19:10.080 with Miles Morales and like different types of animation and pulling. 2:19:10.160 --> 2:19:11.320 You know, we saw a little bit of that in 2:19:11.440 --> 2:19:13.200 Doctor Strange as well, like when they were going through 2:19:13.240 --> 2:19:17.760 the different universes. But I just love that, like take risks, 2:19:18.240 --> 2:19:22.000 you know, have fun, do something different than what we're seeing. 2:19:22.360 --> 2:19:25.160 And I really feel like they're doing that. They have 2:19:25.280 --> 2:19:27.560 a lot of social commentary, you know that they had 2:19:27.600 --> 2:19:31.760 in the comic that is that has stayed and possibly more, 2:19:32.360 --> 2:19:34.960 you know, they might possibly even have more, And I 2:19:35.040 --> 2:19:38.320 think that's so necessary. I think that's really cool. I 2:19:38.360 --> 2:19:40.440 think it's really cool that Disney is having them do that. 2:19:41.000 --> 2:19:43.000 And I love it. 2:19:43.840 --> 2:19:45.840 Yeah, I love it. We loved it so much. And 2:19:45.959 --> 2:19:48.600 I love those aspects, like the way they build comics 2:19:48.640 --> 2:19:51.360 are and cartooning and all that kind of stuff into 2:19:51.360 --> 2:19:55.240 the production design is so inventive and fun. And yeah, 2:19:55.240 --> 2:19:57.480 I actually wrote a piece recently where I was like, 2:19:57.959 --> 2:20:01.120 she's definitely the MCU's first like for fledged cartoonist. But 2:20:01.200 --> 2:20:04.120 I had to shout out Miles because that was the 2:20:04.240 --> 2:20:08.440 experimental space that made a young superhero an artist. And 2:20:08.840 --> 2:20:10.520 you know that's so key, and I love that because 2:20:10.560 --> 2:20:12.720 in the comics they're friends, so I imagine that if 2:20:12.760 --> 2:20:15.240 they ever meet in the MCU, they'll be like making 2:20:15.240 --> 2:20:18.520 a jam comic together or something like doing a mural. 2:20:19.640 --> 2:20:20.240 So cute. 2:20:20.480 --> 2:20:23.000 Yeah, and our other big show that we're talking about 2:20:23.000 --> 2:20:24.960 a lot is Obi Wan And I know you are 2:20:25.600 --> 2:20:28.920 a Star Wars lover, so yeah, you have you been 2:20:28.959 --> 2:20:29.640 watching Obi one? 2:20:29.720 --> 2:20:32.040 Yes, our friend Christina Aril is in it. 2:20:32.520 --> 2:20:34.840 Yes, yes, I really should keet that one on the 2:20:34.920 --> 2:20:35.680 DLO as well. 2:20:39.680 --> 2:20:43.440 Yeah, she's an Nda Nda. Yeah, so she's in it. 2:20:44.160 --> 2:20:49.000 Moses is obviously amazing, And yeah, I'm really excited for 2:20:49.600 --> 2:20:53.320 this next chapter in Star Wars. I'm super excited for 2:20:53.480 --> 2:20:57.520 Andorra as well. And just like I was on at celebration, 2:20:57.720 --> 2:21:00.840 I was on a panel about Latino in Space and 2:21:00.920 --> 2:21:04.480 I'm just like, we are taking over excited about Rosario 2:21:05.920 --> 2:21:13.120 as leads. So yeah, but I uh, same thing. I'm 2:21:13.160 --> 2:21:15.960 I'm I'm I'm curious to see what else they have 2:21:16.200 --> 2:21:17.920 up there up their sleeve. 2:21:18.840 --> 2:21:22.840 Yeah, so it's very exciting time if you love this stuff. 2:21:23.200 --> 2:21:28.320 Tiring time, it's a lot of TV old time, but 2:21:28.440 --> 2:21:31.320 he's really exciting. Danny, thank you so much for coming 2:21:31.360 --> 2:21:33.480 on Extra Vision and talking to us about all this 2:21:33.640 --> 2:21:34.600 amazing stuff. 2:21:35.120 --> 2:21:36.040 Thank you for having me. 2:21:36.400 --> 2:21:38.440 Yeah, it was such a joy. And where can people 2:21:38.560 --> 2:21:41.400 find you? And what do you have to plug? Just 2:21:41.520 --> 2:21:42.960 tell us everything. 2:21:43.480 --> 2:21:46.800 Yeah, I'm at miss Danny Fernandez. It's ms d A 2:21:47.000 --> 2:21:48.880 n I F E R n A N D E 2:21:49.000 --> 2:21:54.480 Z and pick up DC Pride twenty twenty two, got 2:21:54.560 --> 2:21:59.119 my girls in it. So also our friend Stephanie Williams, 2:21:59.160 --> 2:22:01.560 she did Nubia, Yes, and she has a new new 2:22:01.600 --> 2:22:05.360 bea comic out. But you get to see them wrestling. 2:22:05.640 --> 2:22:08.560 So hella hella. Yeah. 2:22:08.800 --> 2:22:11.400 She was also like, what can I do? I bet? Yeah, 2:22:11.920 --> 2:22:14.680 you know, we just we're just we're just pushing our 2:22:14.720 --> 2:22:16.840 hot girl agenda. That's all. That's the agenda. 2:22:18.520 --> 2:22:21.600 So Danny, thank you so much for joining us. Thank 2:22:21.680 --> 2:22:23.400 you up next nerd Out. 2:22:30.560 --> 2:22:32.800 Yeah, in today's nerd Out, where you tell us what 2:22:32.840 --> 2:22:35.720 you love and why, Micah pitches us on Pixar's Toy 2:22:35.800 --> 2:22:39.039 Story franchise to mark the release of the latest film 2:22:39.120 --> 2:22:41.240 in that franchise, Light Year Out. 2:22:41.320 --> 2:22:43.960 Now my name is Micah and my nerd out isn't 2:22:43.959 --> 2:22:47.200 exactly an obscure property, nor is it especially new, but 2:22:47.280 --> 2:22:49.360 it's something that I just redove into and it really 2:22:49.440 --> 2:22:52.240 blew my mind. This time around, I'd encourage everyone to 2:22:52.280 --> 2:22:55.360 give it a second or third, or hell, maybe even fifteenth. Look, 2:22:55.879 --> 2:22:58.440 I'm talking about one of the greatest movie franchises ever made. 2:22:58.840 --> 2:23:02.360 Toy Story. The first movie deals with external threats as 2:23:02.400 --> 2:23:04.760 what he tries fending off his perceived enemy in Buzz. 2:23:05.360 --> 2:23:07.360 At the start, what he is Andy's favorite, and there's 2:23:07.440 --> 2:23:10.360 zero competition in that regard. As such, Woody has never 2:23:10.400 --> 2:23:13.200 had to undergo any meaningful introspection since he has yet 2:23:13.240 --> 2:23:16.920 to face any significant hurdles or setbacks. Buzz's arrival up 2:23:17.040 --> 2:23:19.360 ends what he's position and reacts the way many of 2:23:19.480 --> 2:23:23.080 us respond to external threats with pouting, jealousy, and rage. 2:23:23.720 --> 2:23:26.840 When he kind of inadvertently knocks Buzz out the window, 2:23:27.040 --> 2:23:30.480 his immediate concern isn't for the harmful act he just committed. Rather, 2:23:30.520 --> 2:23:32.600 it's for himself, and now he'll be perceived by the 2:23:32.640 --> 2:23:35.800 rest of Andy's toys. However, by the film's final scene, 2:23:36.120 --> 2:23:38.520 the gang anxiously awaits to hear what new toys Andy 2:23:38.560 --> 2:23:41.120 has received for Christmas, But now it's Woody who was 2:23:41.160 --> 2:23:45.200 seen casually lounging while Buzz is visibly anxious what he's 2:23:45.200 --> 2:23:47.920 grown comfortable in his standing, still prideful of being one 2:23:47.959 --> 2:23:50.400 of Andy's favorites, but no longer needing to be the 2:23:50.520 --> 2:23:54.320 unquestioned alpha. The second movie moves the crisis inward as 2:23:54.400 --> 2:23:56.400 what he has to decide whether he wants to abandon 2:23:56.480 --> 2:23:58.960 his friends to be preserved for all posterity in the museum, 2:23:59.360 --> 2:24:01.600 or stay with them as Andy grows, even with the 2:24:01.680 --> 2:24:05.279 knowledge their time together will ultimately end. The manipulative Stinky 2:24:05.280 --> 2:24:07.600 Pete tells him, do you really think Andy is going 2:24:07.640 --> 2:24:10.359 to take you to college or on his honeymoon? Andy's 2:24:10.360 --> 2:24:12.360 growing up and there's nothing you can do about it. 2:24:12.640 --> 2:24:15.320 It's your choice, Woody. You can go back, or you 2:24:15.360 --> 2:24:18.600 can stay with us and last forever. Earlier in the film, 2:24:18.640 --> 2:24:21.800 he's confronted with his own mortality and then actual aging process, 2:24:22.080 --> 2:24:24.760 as an accidental rip of Woody's arm led him to 2:24:24.800 --> 2:24:27.960 fear that he is damaged beyond repair. Additionally, in this film, 2:24:28.000 --> 2:24:29.960 he learns he has no ordinary toy, but actually the 2:24:30.040 --> 2:24:32.360 legendary leader of the famed Roundup Gang, and if he 2:24:32.440 --> 2:24:34.920 chooses to embrace this side of himself, he will indeed 2:24:35.040 --> 2:24:38.440 live forever emblazoned as an icon for generations of children 2:24:38.520 --> 2:24:41.920 to gaze at, albeit from behind glass. The third movie 2:24:41.959 --> 2:24:44.680 deals to difficulties of aging and the inevitable change that 2:24:44.760 --> 2:24:47.400 comes with that. For most of the Toy Story experience, 2:24:47.440 --> 2:24:49.800 Woody is our proxy and our guide, our entry into 2:24:49.879 --> 2:24:52.480 this mysterious and magical little world. But the end of 2:24:52.560 --> 2:24:55.200 the film, we are all Andy. Whether you grew up 2:24:55.200 --> 2:24:57.640 with the toy story films or they mostly predate you, 2:24:57.959 --> 2:24:59.400 or you came to them later in life as an 2:24:59.400 --> 2:25:03.200 already grown adult, we all recognize the confusing confluence of 2:25:03.280 --> 2:25:05.879 emotions Andy feels as he prepares for a new chapter 2:25:05.959 --> 2:25:08.280 in his life. Andy's ready for the next step, as 2:25:08.320 --> 2:25:10.920 evidenced by his gifting of his toys to Bonnie, except 2:25:11.000 --> 2:25:13.600 he's not entirely ready. There's one toy he is not 2:25:13.760 --> 2:25:16.640 ready to part ways with, his beloved share of Cowboy Doll. 2:25:17.000 --> 2:25:20.000 When Bonnie reaches toward Woody, Andy instinctively withdraws his hand 2:25:20.080 --> 2:25:22.039 as if to say no, not that I'm not ready 2:25:22.080 --> 2:25:24.800 to leave that part of me behind, but ultimately, of course, 2:25:24.879 --> 2:25:27.920 he realizes he is ready. And arguably my favorite ever 2:25:28.080 --> 2:25:31.320 cinematic shot, we see Woody centered in the frame as 2:25:31.400 --> 2:25:33.840 Andy holds him by one arm while passing him to Bonnie, 2:25:33.959 --> 2:25:36.760 who grasps his other arm. Andy has learned to move on, 2:25:37.120 --> 2:25:39.840 and Woody and the gang have accepted, no embraced their 2:25:39.879 --> 2:25:42.840 new beginning as well. Andy's final gasp as he waves 2:25:42.879 --> 2:25:45.440 goodbye reminds us that new adventures will not always be easy, 2:25:45.879 --> 2:25:48.400 but he will indeed be okay, and so will we. 2:25:49.160 --> 2:25:51.160 And finally, the fourth film, the one that yields most 2:25:51.200 --> 2:25:54.120 wildly varying opinions, the one that I've grown to truly love, 2:25:54.560 --> 2:25:56.520 examines what we do once to be achieved everything we 2:25:56.600 --> 2:25:59.200 set out to achieve, How do we continually find purpose 2:25:59.240 --> 2:26:01.200 in this world? Or past our prime? And has met 2:26:01.200 --> 2:26:03.959 our goals? Towards the end of this film, after saving 2:26:04.040 --> 2:26:06.600 Gabby Gabby and gifting or his voicebox what he prepares 2:26:06.800 --> 2:26:09.040 to part ways with bo Peepe. He goes to be 2:26:09.120 --> 2:26:11.640 joined Buzz, who, upon seeing the hesitation of what He's 2:26:11.680 --> 2:26:15.000 face delivers arguably his most poignant line of the entire series. 2:26:15.520 --> 2:26:19.400 Shall be okay, Bonnie will be okay in saying this, 2:26:19.680 --> 2:26:21.520 Buzz on us Boody to truly break free from the 2:26:21.560 --> 2:26:23.480 hold the past has on him, to enable him to 2:26:23.560 --> 2:26:27.840 journey onwards. His long years spanning journey towards self actualization 2:26:28.000 --> 2:26:32.039 is complete. It's some deeply philosophical stuff. There isn't light 2:26:32.120 --> 2:26:34.560 Year film on the horizon. But before you soar into 2:26:34.600 --> 2:26:37.400 the cosmos with Buzz, i'd recommend taking a look back 2:26:37.440 --> 2:26:39.600 to the franchise that kick the whole picks our universe 2:26:39.640 --> 2:26:42.160 off and see it take some pieces of plastic to 2:26:42.280 --> 2:26:46.200 explore our humanity to our fullest extent, to infinity and beyond. 2:26:46.760 --> 2:26:48.720 Thanks Michael for submitting. If you want to be featured, 2:26:48.800 --> 2:26:50.959 send your nerd out pitch to x rayac Cricket dot com. 2:26:51.000 --> 2:26:56.120 Instructions in the show notes, Big thanks to Danny Fernandez, 2:26:56.160 --> 2:26:59.920 and of course big thanks to Rosie Knight for hosting 2:27:00.080 --> 2:27:04.560 this episode with me. 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The show is produced by Chris 2:28:09.920 --> 2:28:11.959 Lord and Sol Rubin. The show is executive produced by 2:28:12.040 --> 2:28:14.720 myself and Sandy Road are editing and sound designers. 2:28:14.720 --> 2:28:16.480 By Vascillis Photopoulos. 2:28:16.320 --> 2:28:19.840 Dilon Villanueva and Matt de Group provide video production support. 2:28:19.959 --> 2:28:23.080 Alex Wellaford handle social media. Thank you Brian Vasquez for 2:28:23.120 --> 2:28:23.760 a theme music. 2:28:24.200 --> 2:28:25.080 See you next time. 2:28:28.760 --> 2:28:36.279 Everyone, Everyone, the Empire is here with approximately five hundred 2:28:36.560 --> 2:28:43.120 heavily armed stormtroopers. There's an imperial ship up there with 2:28:43.360 --> 2:28:48.000 enough firepower to turn us all to ash. They have 2:28:48.120 --> 2:28:52.959 a heavy blaster which, once screwed into the ground, will 2:28:53.040 --> 2:28:56.680 pound through our blast doors in something like ten or 2:28:56.720 --> 2:29:00.160 fifteen minutes. But of course that doesn't matter because they 2:29:00.240 --> 2:29:04.640 have two lightsaber wielders who can easily cut through the blastors. 2:29:05.840 --> 2:29:10.400 Obi wan uh are you getting to the part where 2:29:10.440 --> 2:29:11.160 we're gonna win this? 2:29:11.600 --> 2:29:11.640 No? 2:29:12.560 --> 2:29:15.480 Hold on, no, please don't interrupt me. I'm losing my 2:29:15.560 --> 2:29:16.160 train of thought. 2:29:16.640 --> 2:29:20.680 Okay, once they get in here, if we try and 2:29:20.760 --> 2:29:24.400 stand and fight them, we're fucking done. They're gonna cut 2:29:24.480 --> 2:29:29.080 us up like sushi. My friends, We're dead. Just who's crying? 2:29:29.200 --> 2:29:31.320 Stop that child from crying. I'm trying to make an 2:29:31.320 --> 2:29:34.080 imported announcement about the dangers we face. 2:29:34.720 --> 2:29:37.480 It's okay, though, because I have a plan. Here's the plan. 2:29:38.879 --> 2:29:42.240 Run Run for your lives. Run to the ships. 2:29:43.280 --> 2:29:45.879 Get out of here now while you still survive.