Speaker 1: Warning.
Speaker 2: This podcast contained spoilers for episode five, Oh We Want Kenobe,
Speaker 2: plus spoilers of episode two of Miss Marvel.
Speaker 1: You have been warned. Hello.
Speaker 2: My name is Jason Cooncepsio, and welcome to x ray
Speaker 2: Vision The Crooked podcast where we divey been to your
Speaker 2: favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Today's episode, I'm
Speaker 2: previously on Across the Spider Verse Villain, the sequel to
Speaker 2: the hit movie Into the Spider Verse has been announced.
Speaker 2: Joker two is now potentially a musical. What in the Airlock?
Speaker 2: Miss Marvel Episode two? And Obi Want Kenobe? Episode five discussion.
Speaker 2: In the Hive Mind, we're celebrating Pride with writer and
Speaker 2: actor Danny Fernandez, and in our nerd out segment where
Speaker 2: you tell us what you love and why, Micah tells
Speaker 2: us about the Toy Story franchise to mark the release
Speaker 2: of Pixar's Light Year out today now.
Speaker 1: Of course, as always.
Speaker 2: If you want to jump around, check out the time
Speaker 2: stamps and the show notes for detailed information about all
Speaker 2: the things that we talk about.
Speaker 1: And now to help me talk about the.
Speaker 2: Stuff is the great, the wonderful, the charming, the super
Speaker 2: brilliant walking comics Encyclopedia, Godzilla writing, Rosie night.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm good, it's good to be here. It's nice
Speaker 3: to see you. Yeah, that's good stuff. Loads of things
Speaker 3: going on in the world, things going on.
Speaker 1: Thank you for one.
Speaker 2: I want to shout out my I want to shout
Speaker 2: out producers Christ saul One for for struggling through COVID
Speaker 2: on consecutive weeks. Kill for killing the virus and killing
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then I want to and then thanks to everybody
Speaker 2: on this on this zoom right now, Rosie, Chris Vassili's
Speaker 2: delon for for making the time so that we could
Speaker 2: do this pod. As I am currently on the road
Speaker 2: in New Mexico where we're shooting the sitcom that is
Speaker 2: Chay Serrano's story of his life, and we're really excited
Speaker 2: to bring that to people at some point. But thank you,
Speaker 2: Thanks everybody on the zoom for for putting up with that.
Speaker 1: Rosie. How are you? What are you doing?
Speaker 3: I am good, I'm I'm good, I'm surviving, I'm coping,
Speaker 3: I'm This is a really excited, exciting episode. We wanted
Speaker 3: to have Danny on for a while, so it's super brad. Also,
Speaker 3: how's the how's the shoot going. I'm so excited for you.
Speaker 2: It's been really it's amazing to watch something that you
Speaker 2: and other people have been collaborating on and creating come
Speaker 2: to life. It's a really amazing. It's just a really
Speaker 2: amazing process to be like, oh, I remember when we
Speaker 2: came up with that. Now here are these here are
Speaker 2: these people playing these characters saying the stuff.
Speaker 1: That's really amazing.
Speaker 2: It is like truly in the most sincere way possible.
Speaker 2: You Like, it's emotional to be like, wow, we're making
Speaker 2: a show that's based on my friend's life.
Speaker 1: How cool?
Speaker 2: Is like, that's cool, that's amazing. Who would have ever
Speaker 2: thought this would have happened? Like we will go to lunch.
Speaker 1: And sit there and be like can you believe doing this?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And then like you know, Shay of course is along
Speaker 2: with TV's Mike Sure and the and the super talented
Speaker 2: and experienced Peter Marietta and Lisami's Bryant are all EPs
Speaker 2: of the show.
Speaker 1: And so you know, all day.
Speaker 2: The ship people are coming up to say like, hey,
Speaker 2: do you like for the shirt color?
Speaker 1: Do you like green or blue? If he's wearing that shirt?
Speaker 2: Hey, what do you think about this lettering? Okay, So
Speaker 2: here are the enchiladas for the cookout scene.
Speaker 1: Do these look good? Uh? Do you want this? More
Speaker 1: mud on this character's face? More blood?
Speaker 2: Should do you want the Like? It's just like all
Speaker 2: day and it's really amazing to watch. It's it's it's
Speaker 2: really incredible. Everybody here in Albuquerque is really really nice,
Speaker 2: like very war All theseeries I had have been fantastic,
Speaker 2: like wonderful conversations with all my all my lift drivers.
Speaker 2: People will just come up and chat with you, and
Speaker 2: they're so nice. The scenery is incredible. Uh, and it
Speaker 2: is so fucking hot, like I'm broiled alive out here.
Speaker 2: But it's been really amazing, it's been loved, incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's get into the air lock.
Speaker 1: No, let's get into the previous.
Speaker 3: Um, do just skip me.
Speaker 2: The Into the Spider Verse sequel is coming. It is
Speaker 2: looming one of the greatest comic book movies legitimately ever.
Speaker 3: Made, ever, ever, ever, and.
Speaker 2: The film's Twitter account tweeted out a first look of
Speaker 2: classic Spider Man kind of like low Steaks Villain the Spot.
Speaker 3: Who are incredible, just absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2: Who apparently will be voiced by Jason Schwartzman. The tweet reads.
Speaker 2: Meet the Spot, Miles Morales's most formidal fou yet, voiced
Speaker 2: by Jason Schwartzman. See him in action in Spider Man
Speaker 2: Across the Spider Verse, exclusively in movie theaters June second,
Speaker 2: twenty two three. Rosie tell us about the Spot.
Speaker 1: Who listen. I'll just say it.
Speaker 2: The Spot gets his ass kicked all the time. But
Speaker 2: that's the Spot role at all times.
Speaker 3: Look, if you have yeah, if you have recently googled
Speaker 3: the Spot, which you may have done, yeah, you may
Speaker 3: have been because of this news. You will see him
Speaker 3: come up mostly on lists of ten worst Spider Man
Speaker 3: villains of all time. Right, but I obviously we love
Speaker 3: like we had deep cut stuff here, so I think
Speaker 3: this is such a cool choice. The Spot is like
Speaker 3: a really weird mid eighties villain who first was in
Speaker 3: a book called Peter Parker Spectacular Spider Man debut in
Speaker 3: issue ninety eight, created by al Mailgram and Herb Trimpy
Speaker 3: to it the best to ever do It? Ever, do ever,
Speaker 3: Ever Do It? And he's like body is white with
Speaker 3: black spots. The representation in the movie.
Speaker 1: Is very it's very realistic.
Speaker 3: It looks real name Jonathan on spelt very funnily, and
Speaker 3: I have to say, I think this is so clever
Speaker 3: because immediately from the image that they show you in
Speaker 3: the comics, the spots just getting beaten up, right, But
Speaker 3: from what they show us on that image, you can
Speaker 3: tell this is going to be some kind of dimensional
Speaker 3: cosmic villain whose body and the spots that are gonna
Speaker 3: interplay with this animation. And we know that this is
Speaker 3: called across the Spider Verse, so I wonder if maybe
Speaker 3: he holds the multiverse in the holes or something. I
Speaker 3: just think this is so cool, and it speaks so
Speaker 3: much to the love of the comics that the people
Speaker 3: making this have, which makes sense because a lot of
Speaker 3: comics creators are involved. But I just thought this was
Speaker 3: so so great.
Speaker 1: It's really it's a really fun one.
Speaker 2: And I love that pull because so in the comics,
Speaker 2: the Spot is your typical computer, your typical scientific genius
Speaker 2: who experiments on themselves and then turns themselves into a
Speaker 2: powered individual. In this case, the Spot who has these
Speaker 2: spots are like interdimensional. It can teleport create spots like
Speaker 2: in surfaces, like in a wall, and then he can
Speaker 2: have half his body like standing there in front of
Speaker 2: you and the other half hanging out of the water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like the Doctor.
Speaker 3: Strange powers that we've seen the way to open the
Speaker 3: portals in the MCU, which, by the way, that is
Speaker 3: just it's just so clever for the context of the
Speaker 3: movie to use this character.
Speaker 1: I firmly agree.
Speaker 2: Now in the the Spot, uh wielded these incredibly almost
Speaker 2: godlike teleportation powers to just like Rob Banks and shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's connected to the Kingpin, which I'm sure
Speaker 3: will probably come into play here because he was working
Speaker 3: for the Kingpin. So it's really funny because, like you said,
Speaker 3: he is very like low level villain, but he can
Speaker 3: literally like go into different dimensions and stuff. But he's like,
Speaker 3: oh no, better like rober Hambag.
Speaker 2: I'm super excited about that. I love the Spot. The
Speaker 2: Spot is super fun. Uh, super fun, deep cut Marvel villain.
Speaker 3: Okay, So do you think this means that we will
Speaker 3: see the famous Leno and super villain team that he
Speaker 3: was a part of called the Legion of Losers.
Speaker 1: I yes, but not named the Legion of Losers.
Speaker 3: Yes, I believe the official name is like Spider Man
Speaker 3: Revenge Squad. But people, I would love to see them
Speaker 3: bring in a bunch because we know we're going to
Speaker 3: see a lot of different Pete Pauca's and different Spider
Speaker 3: Man from all across the universe, so I will be
Speaker 3: interesting to see what villains come into play with that.
Speaker 2: And I just want to say, also, man the Spider
Speaker 2: Man's villains when they team up, there's always some absolutely
Speaker 2: terrible fatal flaw in whatever their fucking plan is to
Speaker 2: defeat Spider Man. Going all the way back to the
Speaker 2: debut of the original debut of the Sinister Six, where
Speaker 2: here comes Spider Man, six most potent villains, they can't
Speaker 2: beat him one on one, so they decide, okay, let's
Speaker 2: team up and we're finally going to take him out.
Speaker 2: But then they can't. They're all so prideful that none
Speaker 2: of them want help. So they fight him one at
Speaker 2: a time, and of course they all get beauty. It's like,
Speaker 2: why are you guys a team if you're not gonna
Speaker 2: jump him all at once? What the fuck is this shit?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Too honorable? They know what they want to make it an.
Speaker 1: Equal fine, Next up, Joker Too.
Speaker 2: Todd Phillips recently shared the title to the sequel to
Speaker 2: his twenty nineteen movie The Joker, starring Joaquin Phoenix as
Speaker 2: the titular Joker, and it is I'm apologizing now to
Speaker 2: the Francophone audience of X ray Vision Joker foley adu,
Speaker 2: which means two people who share the same mental disorder.
Speaker 2: And it's presumed that Lady Gaga is currently in talks
Speaker 2: to play Harley Quinn, and the scuttle butt is that
Speaker 2: this movie could be a musical. Now I have a
Speaker 2: hot take. I'm not a great fan of the Todd
Speaker 2: Phillips ouvre, not at all. That said, I think that
Speaker 2: there's a chance like that this could be really interesting,
Speaker 2: like just as a as a as a mental exercise.
Speaker 2: If you tell me the Joker and Harley Quinn in
Speaker 2: a live action musical, I'm like, huh.
Speaker 1: I want to see it like now.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it's going to be good.
Speaker 2: So I think it's gonna be bad, but I'm interested.
Speaker 3: This feels to me like like a cat's level, like
Speaker 3: shit post, like I can't I've kind of become up.
Speaker 3: I feel like it broke my brain, Like we've all
Speaker 3: been on the edge with twenty twenty two, but this
Speaker 3: is like this is my mobius, Like this is like
Speaker 3: all I can think about that.
Speaker 1: I've been more.
Speaker 3: This is my I need to start the Joker to
Speaker 3: musical discord fan community. Like I, I was probably surprising
Speaker 3: no one not a huge fan of Joker as it
Speaker 3: was known. Joker.
Speaker 1: Sorry, is it a Joker or a Joker? Joker jo?
Speaker 3: Because it's serious.
Speaker 1: I apologize to my to my Joker stands out there joking.
Speaker 3: It wasn't really for me. And when I heard this news,
Speaker 3: I thought I was going to die. And I saw
Speaker 3: a tweet by at Sage Heydn and this tweet sums
Speaker 3: up absolutely to me. Joker Too as a musical is
Speaker 3: literally the most chaotic decision any movie studio has ever made.
Speaker 3: Everyone that was excited for a sequel is mad. Everyone
Speaker 3: that thought a sequel was unnecessary is excited. Pure chaos.
Speaker 3: You love to see it.
Speaker 2: I agree, I absolutely agree, absolutely absolutely, I encourage the chaos.
Speaker 3: I mean the timelines. I know we're we're cannon heads
Speaker 3: over here, and the Joker timeline is its own thing.
Speaker 3: But like, how could Harlequin be that old? I don't know.
Speaker 3: At least she is at least she's age appropriate, I guess.
Speaker 3: And also as well, I mean I want it to
Speaker 3: be absolutely ridiculous and wild and just totally that's the
Speaker 3: only way because I don't really need to see like
Speaker 3: harlequin is a social worker at the Gotham. But the
Speaker 3: good thing is, when I saw the name, you know,
Speaker 3: Follia do, I assumed it was Harlequinn. The first rumor
Speaker 3: and reading of that was that it was going to
Speaker 3: be Joker with his followers, who at the end of
Speaker 3: the movie spoiler alert, there's like a Joker cult kind
Speaker 3: of there's a riot and people like him. He's doing
Speaker 3: a dance, you know, that's what he likes to do.
Speaker 1: The car they carry him.
Speaker 3: He's like Jesus. He's like Joker. She's like clown Jesus,
Speaker 3: you know. And and and that was what a lot
Speaker 3: of people thought it was going to be about. I
Speaker 3: far prefer this version, so I I I far the joke.
Speaker 4: He's let's not have any uh, you know, let's not
Speaker 4: have any famed like child molesters on the soundtrack of
Speaker 4: the musical, Let's let's not do that this time, but otherwise, like,
Speaker 4: let's let's.
Speaker 2: Do it here's I completely agree. I and I of
Speaker 2: course firmly acknowledged that there's every possibility that this could
Speaker 2: be terrible. That said, it's interesting and while it may
Speaker 2: be horrendous for our ears and eyes, it'll be great
Speaker 2: content no matter what to talk about. So I'm eager
Speaker 2: for it. You know what else I'm eager to do.
Speaker 2: Talk about Miss Marvel and Obi Wan Kenobe.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: We're stepping out of the airlock to talk about episode
Speaker 2: two of Miss Marvel and then part five of What
Speaker 2: We Want Kenobe, both out now on the Disney Pluce.
Speaker 2: It's my former colleague Andy Greenwold used to say, here
Speaker 2: we go, let's get into it. Miss Marvel Episode two, Crushed,
Speaker 2: written by Kate Gritmand, directed by a.
Speaker 1: Mirah Menon.
Speaker 2: Having discovered that she now has powers at Avenger Coon,
Speaker 2: Kamala walks into school like twenty feet off the ground.
Speaker 2: She could not feel better, She could not feel more confident.
Speaker 2: She is swaggering around the hallways in slow motion. Everybody
Speaker 2: like finger guns pointing at her, and shit is great?
Speaker 1: How could it get better? How about this?
Speaker 2: The appearance of Comraan played by Rishaw, a very handsome
Speaker 2: young man of British Pakistani descent who is apparently a
Speaker 2: student classmate of our hero. And folks were seeing sparks
Speaker 2: explode literally on the screen. Bruno, who is going to
Speaker 2: be increasingly anxious about the development of Comraan as part
Speaker 2: of their friend group, asks Kamala about her powers.
Speaker 1: How do they work?
Speaker 2: What can you do with him? And She's like, I've
Speaker 2: just been doing ant man ship. I've been trying to shrink.
Speaker 2: I've been trying to fly. I've been trying to talk
Speaker 2: with the ants. It's not working. Berna's like, why ant
Speaker 2: Man powers? And come I was like, listen, what can
Speaker 2: I say? I'm a huge fan of the Scotland podcast.
Speaker 1: And then we.
Speaker 2: Get a fun like Scott Lang slash Paul Rudd.
Speaker 1: Is super good looking for his age.
Speaker 2: A wonderful a wonderful reference to the real life meme
Speaker 2: that is Paul Rudd, who is I just need to
Speaker 2: know what the what the skin hydration is?
Speaker 3: How do you?
Speaker 1: How does he do it? Our resident mean.
Speaker 2: Girl, Zoe Uh is also soaking in the soaking in
Speaker 2: the the acclaim and the attention from Avengers, Cohn and
Speaker 2: her She is more than willing to exploit her near death.
Speaker 2: Do you to the sudden immergence of a person with
Speaker 2: powers into burseoning her influencer numbers Later in the theater
Speaker 2: prop room, Kamala is trying to test out her powers,
Speaker 2: trying to feel like, if you know, trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what they do. She gets her in big in
Speaker 2: hand to pop out, but it gets too big and
Speaker 2: she figures out, okay, super strength is not one of
Speaker 2: my things. Then Bruno goes and helps Kamala basically become
Speaker 2: a better superhero. And it's and it's push ups, it
Speaker 2: is running laps, it is rooftop. Attempts to walk on
Speaker 2: her quote to walk on her little hard light creations.
Speaker 2: She's able to like create these little circles of hard
Speaker 2: light and then walk on them, which she will do
Speaker 2: later on in the In the episode, Bruno notices that
Speaker 2: the Bengal has her the bracelet that she has. The
Speaker 2: Bengal has some writing on it that resembles either Arabic
Speaker 2: or Rudu, and gradually a bit by Kamala starts to.
Speaker 1: Get the hang of what this bangle can do.
Speaker 2: Here we get a wonderful plot about Kamala and Nakia
Speaker 2: at the mosque and their endeavors to improve the women's
Speaker 2: side of the mosque. Later, Kamala apologized to her mom
Speaker 2: for sneaking out mostly as a prelude to to go
Speaker 2: to Zoe's party. When you ba agrees, someone offers Kamala
Speaker 2: a drink and lies her about what it is. It
Speaker 2: turns out there's vodka in it, which is one of
Speaker 2: the most terrible things, Like that person actually awful into
Speaker 2: the pool. It's really shitty, like really one of the
Speaker 2: awful things that happened. But then a good thing happens,
Speaker 2: which is Camron gets out of the pool and folks,
Speaker 2: he looking real good. He looking good, and the show
Speaker 2: shows you that he's looking good with it's now typical
Speaker 2: wonderful visual style multiple one hundred percent and flame emojis
Speaker 2: flashing around his his his shirtless body. Then switching over
Speaker 2: to Kamala as she's like just completely besotted with crushed
Speaker 2: feelings for him and like all this wonderful, like very
Speaker 2: comic book imagery around her.
Speaker 1: I will say.
Speaker 2: So he gets out of the pool and it's this
Speaker 2: wonderful like eyes lock moment.
Speaker 1: He's walking towards her. It's happening like it's slow motion.
Speaker 2: There's all these sparks, and then he's like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: standing on my you're standing on my shirt.
Speaker 1: And then he goes to put it on without toweling off.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what kind of.
Speaker 2: What kind of psycho gets out of the pool and
Speaker 2: then just puts on a dry shirt without fucking toweling off.
Speaker 3: I was shocked by this. But now, as people see
Speaker 3: in the rest of that, I'm assuming this is foreshadowing
Speaker 3: act about it because I agree with you. I agree
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 1: That I thought that as well. But so, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: spoiler alert.
Speaker 2: We're gonna find out some stuff about about this person
Speaker 2: later on that could lead us to believe that maybe
Speaker 2: he has powers and there's like something else going on there.
Speaker 1: But why like almost well, maybe he's just a psycho, And.
Speaker 2: Why almost out yourself as a powered individual by like
Speaker 2: like steam drying all the liquid off your body?
Speaker 3: Did he want to let it cool? Like? I mean,
Speaker 3: it did look cool? I have to say, I think
Speaker 3: we only probably noticed because we're old people. We were like,
Speaker 3: I'm you gonna get the chills?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know now.
Speaker 2: Of course, Bruno, who has feelings of his own for Kamala,
Speaker 2: is not too happy about this ongoing and development. He
Speaker 2: feels it's it's he feels really shitty about it. Let's
Speaker 2: talk for briefly about the bank Rosie. We've been saying
Speaker 2: the Quanta band, and I think that's right. But I
Speaker 2: also think now increasingly that what they've done here is
Speaker 2: just basically take the Mega band and the Quanta Band
Speaker 2: and smash them together. And it's some kind of version
Speaker 2: of both.
Speaker 1: Like it would not surprise me at all.
Speaker 2: If I agree whatever this is is connected to the
Speaker 2: Cree but also somehow to the negative zone.
Speaker 1: YadA YadA, yadah.
Speaker 3: So something that I think is really interesting in this episode,
Speaker 3: Bruno realizes like if he puts the bangle on, or
Speaker 3: if someone else puts on, it's not going to give
Speaker 3: them powers. Like the Bangal is channeling something that is
Speaker 3: inherently inside Kamala. I find that very interesting. Also, Kamala
Speaker 3: works out that her powers are as she calls it,
Speaker 3: it feels like an idea come to life. So this
Speaker 3: is an imagination based power. That is, it is channeled
Speaker 3: by a magical artifact that you wear on your hand on.
Speaker 3: This is basically the green Latin they've given Kamala Kahan
Speaker 3: Green Latin powers, and very specifically with the family aspect,
Speaker 3: it feels like there was a recent green Lantern book
Speaker 3: about a young kid who got their powering from their grandma,
Speaker 3: and this feels like it could very much have been
Speaker 3: inspired by this kind of storytelling. So I think this
Speaker 3: is I think you're right. I think this is an
Speaker 3: amalgamation of two different of the quantum mats and the
Speaker 3: egg bands, but it's also going to be about something
Speaker 3: within Kamala. I don't necessarily think it's like a I
Speaker 3: like the idea that she's chosen because I think those
Speaker 3: stories are always fun, but I don't necessarily think it's
Speaker 3: going to be a worthiness like the Green Lantern. I think,
Speaker 3: as we will get into by the end of this episode,
Speaker 3: that this is a family based power in more than
Speaker 3: just the bangles.
Speaker 2: So Carla is very interested in exploring this familial connection.
Speaker 2: So when her brother Emir brings his fiance Taisha around
Speaker 2: for dinner, this gives Kamali opening to kind of probe around,
Speaker 2: ask her mother Mendiba, about the family's family history and
Speaker 2: maybe get some information about how the family came to
Speaker 2: be in possession of this band.
Speaker 1: This leads to a really well done, very like.
Speaker 2: Entertaining and refreshing conversation about the family's personal history regarding
Speaker 2: the partition of India after the announcement of Indian independence.
Speaker 2: This is in nineteen forty seven. It was a epoch
Speaker 2: shifting event that resulted in a rolling civil war, numerous
Speaker 2: instances of unrest, millions of people on the move.
Speaker 1: And many many, many, many many many deaths.
Speaker 2: And of course that trauma touched this family in specific ways.
Speaker 2: And I think one thing, if anybody's ever had any
Speaker 2: experience with South Asian communities, Pakistani communities have Pakistani friends,
Speaker 2: is Pakistani? You know that, like every family does have
Speaker 2: some kind of story. And also nobody talks. This is
Speaker 2: not like a thing people talk about. So I found
Speaker 2: this scene to just be like, Wow, I love that
Speaker 2: they're going here.
Speaker 3: This sums up what's so great about this show so
Speaker 3: far as this warmth and balance and love for the
Speaker 3: character and love for the comics, but recognizing who the
Speaker 3: character actually is and what it means for that character.
Speaker 3: And I absolutely this is where we start to really
Speaker 3: get that hint of how this could be a familiar power.
Speaker 3: And I love that they've tied it in that way.
Speaker 1: I absolutely, I absolutely love it.
Speaker 2: And so Kamala's asking your mom about her mom uh
Speaker 2: Sanna and then her great grandmother Ayisha, that this is uh,
Speaker 2: Kamala's great grandmother Ayisha, and this is a very touchy subject.
Speaker 1: It's clear by Medieva's response. Uh.
Speaker 2: She talks about uh potential sexual impropriety on behalf of Aisha.
Speaker 2: She talks about a mysterious disappearance.
Speaker 1: Uh. But the takeaway is.
Speaker 2: We doesn't want to talk about this, whatever this is,
Speaker 2: We're not talking about your great grandmother.
Speaker 1: Kamala then has.
Speaker 2: As tensions and emotions start to rise on the subject
Speaker 2: of her great grandmother Aisha. Uh, the bangal like it
Speaker 2: starts to glow. Something happens and Kamala has a vision
Speaker 2: which seemingly emanates from the Bengal of like this portal
Speaker 2: opening and there's a person there and who is this person?
Speaker 2: With their hair flowing and energy crackling all around her
Speaker 2: And the next thing you know, Kamala is like is
Speaker 2: coming to She has passed out, fainted on the ground
Speaker 2: with her loved ones all concerned looking down on her.
Speaker 2: And what is this vision that just happened? Do you
Speaker 2: have any thoughts on what it is? Rosie so yes, I.
Speaker 3: Believe they talk in this moment of how Manieba's mom
Speaker 3: so Kamala's grandma Sona, which is obviously I believe is yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's a it's probably a hint to Sonna AMNet,
Speaker 3: who created was a co creator of this marvel. She
Speaker 3: got lost and separated from her family, and she was
Speaker 3: able to find her way back, according to her, as
Speaker 3: a child on a rail of stars. And nobody knows
Speaker 3: what happened to Aisha, and it all seems very mythical.
Speaker 3: I fully believe that what happened is Kamala's great grandmar
Speaker 3: fell in love with a Cree, had a baby with
Speaker 3: a Cree who is Sanna, and I believe that there
Speaker 3: is a legacy of Cree DNA or blood that runs
Speaker 3: in Kamala's family that allows her to use these powers that,
Speaker 3: as Kevin Fagy has said, would put her more in
Speaker 3: line with the Marvels who will be her team, and
Speaker 3: it would make her. I love how close it would
Speaker 3: make her to Carol. Now. I also think there's a
Speaker 3: different version where it's not necessarily a genetic power, but
Speaker 3: it was more like that Aisha was the first person
Speaker 3: to be chosen to wield the bangle, and then from
Speaker 3: there that was able to be passed on through her family.
Speaker 3: But I think that this is essentially a nod to
Speaker 3: the Cree or some kind of alien intervention which is
Speaker 3: going to explain Kamala's powers.
Speaker 2: The next morning, we discover that Kamala's parents got together
Speaker 2: in part because of a shared love of the music
Speaker 2: of bon Jovi. And then Kamala asks about Aisha again,
Speaker 2: and Maniebla again just like shuts her down. We're not
Speaker 2: talking about this. The family then goes to the mosque
Speaker 2: to celebrate aid. Nakia is making the rounds as she
Speaker 2: is now running for the board of election of the mosque,
Speaker 2: you know, leadership of the mosque. This puts her into
Speaker 2: direct competition with one of Kamala's dad's friends, which is
Speaker 2: a little touchy. Kamala then volunteers to talk to them
Speaker 2: illuminant I can't even say it, illuminanties in her words,
Speaker 2: to try and get some more information on her great grandmother. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: Zoe has been brought in by the Department of Damage
Speaker 2: Control as they are seeking more information on who this
Speaker 2: person that displayed the powers at Avengers Con is. And
Speaker 2: here we get as as Agent Deaver starts to kind
Speaker 2: of like run through who the suspect might be, we
Speaker 2: eventually land on South Asian.
Speaker 1: Muslim person, to which agent Cleary.
Speaker 2: Notes that, Okay, well, we have to be careful because
Speaker 2: we already know that the FBI has these communities under surveillance.
Speaker 2: Here again is a moment that I found so refreshing
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, we're just going to go there. I
Speaker 2: love that they went there. I love that they're referencing
Speaker 2: the fact that in the post nine to eleven world,
Speaker 2: the FBI in a number of cases that I think
Speaker 2: fair minded people if you look at them, are were
Speaker 2: basically entrapment schemes by the FBI, which the FBI number
Speaker 2: one had various informants at mosques, you know, often going
Speaker 2: in with these kind of strong arm techniques like well,
Speaker 2: if you have nothing to hide, you'll let us do this.
Speaker 2: And you know we live, you know, we've been attacked,
Speaker 2: and so if if you don't let us listen in
Speaker 2: on your on your on your worshippers and investigate them,
Speaker 2: then we're going to believe that you have something to hide.
Speaker 2: And also the FBI going forward and entrapping people into
Speaker 2: plots that they would not have been involved with otherwise.
Speaker 1: And here is a clear reference to that very.
Speaker 2: Real world event. And I was just in shock that
Speaker 2: they referenced this.
Speaker 3: I thought this was really, really, really well done, and
Speaker 3: I think that something I'm very interested to see is
Speaker 3: where the Department of Damage Control will go, because this
Speaker 3: is very different to the Dwayne McDuffie Department of Damage Control.
Speaker 3: They were not cops, they were not a government agency,
Speaker 3: which fits into the world of the MCU. But I
Speaker 3: would love to see with that critique that was put
Speaker 3: into the show, I would love to see a version
Speaker 3: that's more like that we clean we're tired, we clean
Speaker 3: up after the superheroes kind of situation. But another moment
Speaker 3: I thought was really powerful here was they did a
Speaker 3: really good job in the comics Zoe the mean girl,
Speaker 3: that is a she is on a journey of growth
Speaker 3: and will become a larger part of the comic and
Speaker 3: largely likely the show. But I thought they did a
Speaker 3: really good job and that actor in particular of realizing
Speaker 3: when she directed them to that community, she looked horrified
Speaker 3: and you can just see that that's a that's a
Speaker 3: moment where I'm I'm pretty sure we'll see her go
Speaker 3: and try and wrecked by that. But that whole scene was, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they they lure you in with some warm moments, and
Speaker 3: then they just they just say it how it is.
Speaker 2: Really, I mean, this show is is just really really
Speaker 2: really well done. First of all, like the most easily
Speaker 2: the most visually creative Marvel show on Disney.
Speaker 3: Truly, you can say there's nothing like it. It's there's
Speaker 3: nothing like it.
Speaker 1: There's nothing like it.
Speaker 2: Every scene has a moment that just pops, whether it's
Speaker 2: the comics inspired like almost drawn on effects and lettering
Speaker 2: that appears like on surfaces or on the roadway or
Speaker 2: on the wall or at or the scene from episode
Speaker 2: one in which Kamala like flops down like on the
Speaker 2: divan and the camera flips over lafully like one eighty
Speaker 2: like vertically so that it's looking at her now upside down.
Speaker 2: All these little visual things make this show so fun
Speaker 2: to watch. And then they hit you with.
Speaker 1: This really big hearted.
Speaker 2: Depiction of Pakistani American family, child of immigrants that does
Speaker 2: not pull its punches on any of the issues that
Speaker 2: intersect with that community.
Speaker 1: Really great shit, This is a good episode.
Speaker 3: It's the good stuff. Yeah, that's the really stuff.
Speaker 2: Back at Eid, the Aunties reiterates Kamala that Aisher her
Speaker 2: great grandmother in some way that is not laid out,
Speaker 2: brought shame to the family. Some say she was a snake,
Speaker 2: she was putting curses on people, She had an affair,
Speaker 2: she ran on and she killed somebody during the partition.
Speaker 1: Nobody's really sure, but whatever it was, it was bad.
Speaker 2: As this is going on, a kid who climbed up
Speaker 2: the mosque tower falls and now has to be rescued.
Speaker 1: Who will do the rescuing? Guess who?
Speaker 2: Kamala Khan suits up. She gets her first big superhero moment.
Speaker 2: She successfully creates her little hard light steps that allow
Speaker 2: her to step out over like high over the street
Speaker 2: and reach up and grab this kid and save him.
Speaker 2: She creates a little hard light platform for him to
Speaker 2: fall on. Then she takes a little too early of
Speaker 2: a victory lap and the kid ends up falling many
Speaker 2: many stories towards the ground, hurtling towards the ground. Quick
Speaker 2: thinking Kamala manages to make various platforms to kind of
Speaker 2: break his fall, but he does fall reasonably hard, breaks
Speaker 2: his ankle, and.
Speaker 1: Then Kamala flees away.
Speaker 2: As she's fleeing, damage Control springs its trap using drones,
Speaker 2: which I was very surprised to see, Like this is
Speaker 2: like mysterio tech.
Speaker 5: Is this what's happening on like steels very stark, which, yeah,
Speaker 5: we know that we need to be.
Speaker 3: Laying the groundwork for armores. So the idea of people
Speaker 3: having stark tech that someone like Roady would not agree
Speaker 3: with them using in certain ways I feel like profiling
Speaker 3: and you know, illegally watching marginalized communities of color. Roady
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't be down with that. So this could definitely
Speaker 3: be a kind of early nod to where the technology
Speaker 3: has gone since Tony died.
Speaker 1: Kamala takes out the drones.
Speaker 2: She's running away, but she she's getting blocked in by
Speaker 2: damage control.
Speaker 1: They're waiting for her at the end of this alley.
Speaker 2: She creates her heart light, steps, steps up over them,
Speaker 2: jumps down on the other side into the street. And
Speaker 2: who should pull up but Camraan in a Porsche. This
Speaker 2: kid drives a Porsche. He says it's not his, it's
Speaker 2: his uncles. But still a kid driving a Porsche, which
Speaker 2: should have been a red flag earlier, and now here's
Speaker 2: a bigger red flag. Kamala gets in the car, car
Speaker 2: pulls away. In the back seat, there's a mysterious woman
Speaker 2: and it's the woman from the vision and she says, Kamala,
Speaker 2: I've been waiting a very long time to meet you,
Speaker 2: and Camraon is like, that's my mom. Is this Aisha
Speaker 2: Kamala's great grandmother.
Speaker 1: Tune in next week to find out. Bob, Bob, Bob.
Speaker 1: I love this episode of the Central Mystery. So good
Speaker 1: is so good? I love that.
Speaker 2: I love the appearance of Camraan what it means for
Speaker 2: for the Bruno friendship slash potential romantic relationship because I
Speaker 2: love a love triangle that makes it really juicy. And
Speaker 2: then the fact that man, this woman that Kamala has
Speaker 2: been having visions of is his mother. Okay, who are
Speaker 2: these people? Let's let's quickly fear Okay, who are these people?
Speaker 3: I think that I think Ayisha is her grandma, but
Speaker 3: she's looking great grandma, but she's looking very young. So
Speaker 3: we can assume some kind of power situation. We have
Speaker 3: already suggested that camp may have powers. I have to
Speaker 3: say so, I think that him and Kamala are going
Speaker 3: to end up being related. And I think it's just
Speaker 3: they used a very mean tactic, which was knowing that
Speaker 3: he was handsome to kind of lull her in because
Speaker 3: earlier on in the episode, they go on a kind
Speaker 3: of half date where they meet in a diner and
Speaker 3: it feels like something's there, and then they have to
Speaker 3: cover up by saying that he is their cousin. So
Speaker 3: I feel like it all ties into this idea that
Speaker 3: this is basically going to be We're going to find
Speaker 3: out that there is a side of Kamala's family that
Speaker 3: has powers, and I believe that actually would make a
Speaker 3: lot of sense because in the comics her brother actually
Speaker 3: gets powers as well at one point via an inhuman
Speaker 3: style situation which we know is not going to hear,
Speaker 3: which we do is not going to happen here, So
Speaker 3: it would make sense if this was a legacy power
Speaker 3: that could maybe be connected to by more than one
Speaker 3: family member once they accept it. I'm very this show
Speaker 3: has been so wonderfully balanced so far for me, between
Speaker 3: the action and the family and the lived experience, and
Speaker 3: I love how they touch on these like deeper, more
Speaker 3: important topics while still giving Kamala this overly stylized teen
Speaker 3: movie life. Are we very interested to see how in
Speaker 3: the third episode you continue that balance while starting to
Speaker 3: expand on this central mystery of the band and her
Speaker 3: family and what it all means and who has the
Speaker 3: other band? Because we can assume that there's going to
Speaker 3: be two.
Speaker 1: There's got to be too. They can everyone. There's got
Speaker 1: to be too.
Speaker 3: There's got to be too.
Speaker 2: I'm really loving this. I'm really loving the show. Can't
Speaker 2: wait to see the next episode updxed We Want Kenobi
Speaker 2: Part five, written by Joby Harold and Andrew Statten and
Speaker 2: directed by Deborah Chow. We open a Corossant to Jedi
Speaker 2: Temple flashback to before the fall of the Jedi O
Speaker 2: We Want Kenobi. Uh finds his padawan, Anakin Skywalker, on
Speaker 2: a balcony. He's looking out over the skyline of Corossant
Speaker 2: and he says, I was beginning to think you weren't coming, Master,
Speaker 2: And I love the pause before saying Master says so
Speaker 2: much because in that pause is the growing wilfulness and
Speaker 2: loaded term for Star Wars but rebelliousness of Anakin Skywalker,
Speaker 2: who is already thinking is this guy really worthy of
Speaker 2: being my Master?
Speaker 1: I think I'm better than him.
Speaker 3: I also think it's like this really good. I have
Speaker 3: to say this. This is a this is a really
Speaker 3: fun episode. But these flashbacks which we had, by the way,
Speaker 3: we're right. We knew that was going to be flashbacks.
Speaker 3: He said that was going to be flash I think
Speaker 3: there's so much powerful storytelling done in those moments, and
Speaker 3: they do a really great job of building out on
Speaker 3: that Anakin obi Wan relationship. And something I love about
Speaker 3: it is it's a mixture. I totally agree with you
Speaker 3: that it's this like wilfulness and this kind of like
Speaker 3: he's already questioning, But I also think it's this like
Speaker 3: really deep closeness. This is his friend, this is like
Speaker 3: his brother. So it's kind of that it's the two
Speaker 3: sides of Anakin, like you wouldn't like they've been so
Speaker 3: close and together for so long. Is it weird to
Speaker 3: call him master? So I think there's all these layers
Speaker 3: to it that they do in such a good way,
Speaker 3: because those are the two sides of Anakin that, especially
Speaker 3: in this episode in this series, are defining him, which
Speaker 3: is this closeness that he had to obi Wan, but
Speaker 3: the way obi Wan failed him and how the path
Speaker 3: of the Dark Side tore them apart. I just I
Speaker 3: and also have to say, I think they used a
Speaker 3: very perfect amount of deaging because.
Speaker 1: Just look, it was just the right amount.
Speaker 3: It look, Hayden looked a little bit older. But I
Speaker 3: was okay with it. Guys, it looks good. I I was,
Speaker 3: It looked exactly the same. I just I feel like
Speaker 3: we were all waiting for these kind of this reunion
Speaker 3: of this era for them, and so I love to
Speaker 3: see it. I love to see it.
Speaker 1: I love to see it too. Uh.
Speaker 2: They the pair ignite their lightsabers and they are about
Speaker 2: to launch into a duel. We flash forward too years later.
Speaker 2: Darth Vader is on his flagship. He is staring out
Speaker 2: now into the vastness of space, much like he once
Speaker 2: was years ago, looking out over the skyline of courseant
Speaker 2: and it's clear from the way that cut happens that
Speaker 2: Darth slash Anakin is remembering these.
Speaker 3: This is his life.
Speaker 2: As as he grows closer towards how they Obi wan
Speaker 2: Kenobi in his clutches, he's thinking about these moments that
Speaker 2: they shared together in the past.
Speaker 1: Reva comes before him and she is fucking pumped up.
Speaker 3: She's stoked, Lord Vader.
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, it is such a fucking honor
Speaker 2: to be on your flagship. It's it smells great. What
Speaker 2: is that for, breeze? It smells great in here.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love what you did with the
Speaker 1: plays where you auste. You're looking great, You're looking great.
Speaker 1: Things on this is awesome.
Speaker 2: And by the way, that tracker thing, when I tell
Speaker 2: you it worked, it fucking worked. Obi Lan Toler on
Speaker 2: route to Jabim and Vader's like, great work, Neil. He
Speaker 2: awards her the thing that she has been aiming for
Speaker 2: all these years. We think, put a pin in that
Speaker 2: we'll come back to it a little later. It is
Speaker 2: the position of Grand Inquisitor.
Speaker 1: Huge day for Reva. He gives it a little.
Speaker 2: Pin that signifies you are now the Grand Inquisitor and stop, folks, Jabam.
Speaker 2: On Jabam, Rocan's cruiser arrives. Several dozen refugees are there
Speaker 2: waiting in the hangar bay, including children and families, and
Speaker 2: they all meet the ship. Roken comes out to just
Speaker 2: say we got her, we saved her. Absolutely zero mention
Speaker 2: of our good friend Wade. Sorry it died at the battle.
Speaker 1: Can't even can't even get it.
Speaker 2: By the way, we lost Wade all Pete Wade, I love.
Speaker 3: Comsolutely, just continuing the tradition of like just absolute dozen
Speaker 3: matt deaths in Star Wars. There's like collateral damage of
Speaker 3: the rebellion. Sorry, babe, you can't learn. No one's gonna
Speaker 3: think about.
Speaker 1: Someone, can one person? Shit a single fucking tear for Wade.
Speaker 3: Cried about Wade last week and that was it.
Speaker 1: Now it's like everyone's moved on anyway.
Speaker 2: We we we really knew him. Wait, but we remember you.
Speaker 2: Obi finds Hadja amongst the refugees and he says, I
Speaker 2: had nowhere else to go, and also, I'm a wanted man.
Speaker 1: The Empires is looking.
Speaker 2: For me now. But you know I'm here on Jabim.
Speaker 2: I'm on the path and you know what I see.
Speaker 2: I see credit signs. I see a juicy business opportunity
Speaker 2: along with an opportunity to help people.
Speaker 1: So that's what Haja is up to.
Speaker 2: Obie talks to Rocan about, Hey, I got to get
Speaker 2: back to alder On because there's we got Leya now,
Speaker 2: and there's this whole other thing that I have to do.
Speaker 2: But Rokin says, okay, first things first, all these folks,
Speaker 2: all these refugees here, they need to get out of here.
Speaker 2: They've been waiting for months for a safe window to
Speaker 2: leave in and they had to delay that because you know,
Speaker 2: we needed to go get Princess Leah, and I acknowledge
Speaker 2: that that was very, very important, But now the window
Speaker 2: is fast closing and we got to get them out
Speaker 2: of here. Obie looks around, he looks at all the
Speaker 2: beleaguered faces, all the family members that are, you know,
Speaker 2: hanging by the edge of their courage, and Obi's like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna help them, We're gonna do it, but Vader
Speaker 2: is fast approaching. He orders Reva to use Lola to
Speaker 2: hack the security system on Jabeam and lock down the
Speaker 2: stronghold that the refugees are in.
Speaker 1: Lola goes to work.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Obi notices some graffiti on the wall there in
Speaker 2: the in the Path complex and it says the light
Speaker 2: will fade but has never forgotten. There's some other stuff
Speaker 2: on there that you notice that is confirmation of various
Speaker 2: Legends things.
Speaker 1: What did you find, Rosie Knight.
Speaker 3: Yes, there is some Legends characters in Aura. Besh Dan
Speaker 3: Casey Atnetics actually has found like way more so. They
Speaker 3: have a really good Easter Eggs breakdown. But there's like
Speaker 3: Corwyn Shalby who's an NBC from Star Wars MPG that
Speaker 3: became part of Legends. Jedi trained after the page Drake
Speaker 3: Logan or Logane from an old Star Wars webcomic that
Speaker 3: was released around the time of the Clone Wars, who
Speaker 3: was a Jedi padawan. And then there's a Tiberis which
Speaker 3: is probably made like Tiberus, and Lock, which is maybe Tiberus,
Speaker 3: who was from the Star Wars Galaxies game. So they're
Speaker 3: really building in. It's it's interesting. It's like they're building
Speaker 3: this stuff in and saying, hey, this is canon, but
Speaker 3: how much will they bring it? Because like, I know
Speaker 3: a lot of people were really hoping to see Quinlan
Speaker 3: here in the path, you know, and it's not something
Speaker 3: that we've seen. So it's it's it's still really exciting though,
Speaker 3: and the Ara Besh is really fun because like everyone
Speaker 3: is getting together after watching the episodes and like teaming
Speaker 3: up to like source code like Ara Besh translations.
Speaker 2: Right near this graffiti OBCs a cache of of Jedi stuff.
Speaker 2: There's no better way to say it. There's a small
Speaker 2: crate there that has various lightsabers in it. Nearby, he
Speaker 2: finds some Jedi ro ubes or as obi Wan would
Speaker 2: call them, my disguise when I'm trying to pretend not
Speaker 2: to be a Jedi.
Speaker 1: Now I've found all this I found all.
Speaker 2: This stuff interesting because how do we think, what do
Speaker 2: we think happened here? Did Jedis who were on the
Speaker 2: run come to Jubim as a stop on the path
Speaker 2: and say, okay, I have to get rid of all
Speaker 2: my Jedi shit because this marks me as a target.
Speaker 1: I'm giving I'm leaving it all here.
Speaker 2: Or did their loved ones take it there and deposit
Speaker 2: it there after their loved ones were killed in the
Speaker 2: purge or some other way. I'm a little bit I
Speaker 2: want to know more about how this stuff got here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. I think that's a really good point.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to inspire probably a lot of
Speaker 3: fan fiction. I would love to know more about it
Speaker 3: in a canon sense. My gut feeling says it was
Speaker 3: Jedi who died either at the path helping people get there,
Speaker 3: it was Oh so let's be real. This is one
Speaker 3: of those funny things about Stuf hours that we kind
Speaker 3: of talk about how successful was Order sixty six nor
Speaker 3: very successful or is just hanging about there's just like lightsabers,
Speaker 3: like part of me is like some kids probably like
Speaker 3: found one and bought it because like you know, we
Speaker 3: ended up in the new trilogy with like one of
Speaker 3: the most important Lightsabers in the world was just in
Speaker 3: the basement of like a tavern. You know, it was
Speaker 3: in the right place. In the end, the Force does
Speaker 3: what it does, you know. But like, I think that
Speaker 3: it's a it's likely. I think it's meant to be
Speaker 3: an evocative thing of like are they from dead Jedi.
Speaker 3: I also like the idea of like Jedis who chose
Speaker 3: to give up the way, because like there's always been
Speaker 3: this notion of of Jedis who exist on both the
Speaker 3: light side and the dark and who can use both.
Speaker 3: And I feel like they may have been the ones
Speaker 3: who would maybe lose hope in the Force, but they
Speaker 3: want to leave something for the people who come next.
Speaker 3: So I thought it was very interesting. That was very interesting.
Speaker 1: It's such a great point about the Lightsabers.
Speaker 2: Because right that to add on to that, notably, you know,
Speaker 2: after the rise, directly after the Rise of the Empire,
Speaker 2: Grand Vizier of the Empire, Masa Beta like melted down
Speaker 2: like a thousand fucking lightsabers. Religion enough yeah, not enough apparently,
Speaker 2: but then so Obi sees all this Jedi stuff, but
Speaker 2: then boom, the building goes into lockdown. Sully and Broken
Speaker 2: are like, what's happening? We're not controlling this, and Brocan's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, there's an Imperial cruiser in orbit. And
Speaker 2: then Obi Wan says, well, you know what that means.
Speaker 1: Darth Vader is here. So what do we do?
Speaker 2: Obi Wan tells them, Okay, Vader's next move is going
Speaker 2: to be just all out attack aggression. He doesn't have patience.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna wait to like starve us out. He's
Speaker 2: not gonna put up a siege and just wait for
Speaker 2: us to all die. He's gonna try and force his
Speaker 2: weight in here.
Speaker 1: How do you know this, Obi Wan?
Speaker 2: Well, long story flashback. Now back to the duel, and
Speaker 2: it's another one of those teaching duels that we have
Speaker 2: seen Obi and Anakind fight over the years. Obi is
Speaker 2: preaching patience and letting go to these kind of like
Speaker 2: specific dogmatic goals of victory.
Speaker 1: And winning whatever that means.
Speaker 2: That's not why the Jedi struggle, not to quote unquote win.
Speaker 2: But Anakin is just like about competition, about that grind.
Speaker 2: To him, every engagement, every relationship is a zero sum
Speaker 2: game of somebody's got to win and somebody's got to lose.
Speaker 1: He wants to win at all costs.
Speaker 3: This is a classic Like, look, I love these characters. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we both, we all love that. This is a classic moment.
Speaker 3: I've always been an op. I won't say When I
Speaker 3: was younger, I would have said a hater. I would
Speaker 3: say that now as an older, more seasoned person with
Speaker 3: more love in my heart, I'm obi Wan questioner, right,
Speaker 3: And this is one of those moments where I say,
Speaker 3: obi Wan stop teaching him things during Jewels, he was
Speaker 3: not noticing it. Like this kid loves fying, loves chopping
Speaker 3: people with the lightsaber. Like, just drink some tea and
Speaker 3: have a chill conversation to channel it somewhere else, my friend, Like,
Speaker 3: this is not gonna end well.
Speaker 2: More meditation, right, more Jedi meditation, less lightsabers. I think
Speaker 2: that's clearly one of the missteps from the training of
Speaker 2: Anakin Skywalker. The Imperial assault begins, obi Obi Wan Kobi
Speaker 2: gives the worst pump up speech in the fucking history
Speaker 2: of its veriginal speeches. Everyone, everyone, I understand you're scared.
Speaker 2: Everybody's looking around. Yeah, we're scared. The Empire will attack soon.
Speaker 2: Now there's legitimate people fainting they're stronger than us. Somebody
Speaker 2: just wet their pants. Better equipped, better trained, if we
Speaker 2: will not survive?
Speaker 1: Whoa, I can't wait to get into it, obi Wa.
Speaker 2: God, you know what I was like. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if we could fight the ampert. But
Speaker 2: now that you said we're gonna get fucking wiped out,
Speaker 2: I one hard.
Speaker 1: No on, Obi, what.
Speaker 6: Are you doing?
Speaker 1: Why are you doing? Man?
Speaker 3: Like? Can you believe it? I've never heard a worst speech.
Speaker 3: He was so great, absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: God I've done.
Speaker 2: This is not getting me inspired to do this thing
Speaker 2: that we gotta do.
Speaker 3: So can I just say he is like Charles exaving
Speaker 3: our high level hair, Charles Xavier. Yeah, especially in the movies.
Speaker 3: If that guy turns up somewhere, your whole family's gonna die.
Speaker 3: Like wherever he can think about Logan. Yeah, he takes
Speaker 3: them to that nice family they're looking at, and then
Speaker 3: guess what, they all get murdered by evil evil Logan.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I just feel like, Obi Wan, you gotta do a
Speaker 3: much bad job because legitimately the only reason that these
Speaker 3: people more who have been waiting for months for safe passage,
Speaker 3: you came here with your no drama and now they
Speaker 3: are all gonna die and you can't even be like,
Speaker 3: we're gonna do it. Guys, the force is with us.
Speaker 1: That's yes, thank you.
Speaker 2: Like to quote a great space captain and legendary smuggler,
Speaker 2: never tell me the odds.
Speaker 1: Fucking lie to me, please, obi.
Speaker 2: Wan, don't tell me now our own Chris Lord along
Speaker 2: with Mallory Rubin, when I raised these issues to do
Speaker 2: both of them in turn both said, okay, well, here's
Speaker 2: the thing. Obi Wan's spent the last ten years like
Speaker 2: cutting fish and then living alone in a fucking cave.
Speaker 1: He does.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, after two years of pandemic and
Speaker 2: you know, a year and a half of lockdown, like
Speaker 2: we didn't know how to talk to people. And that's
Speaker 2: absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: It's it's weird talking to people and making you know,
Speaker 2: inspiring pre battle speeches after you haven't done that for
Speaker 2: over a decade and all. And by the way, the
Speaker 2: last time you did that, you lost that war. I
Speaker 2: understand that's tough. At the same time, fucking read the room.
Speaker 1: We want everybody looks to. Everybody's terrified.
Speaker 2: Don't don't end with we will not survive there.
Speaker 3: Are so many forced sensitive kids in this room.
Speaker 6: Man, just do a little bit of inspiration.
Speaker 2: He ends, He ends on a stronger note. He closes strong,
Speaker 2: which is great. He says, listen, Yes, if we fight them,
Speaker 2: we will all die. Okay, but we're not gonna fight
Speaker 2: them now. We're not gonna fight them. All we need
Speaker 2: to do is harden this facility, guard the points of entry,
Speaker 2: and fight for every inch so we can buy time
Speaker 2: so all of us can get on the ships and leave.
Speaker 1: Great, okay, let's do that. And by the way, here.
Speaker 2: In this moment is the birth of what is essentially
Speaker 2: the tried and true rebel alliance strategy that will carry
Speaker 2: that armed force throughout its long war against the empire.
Speaker 2: Shoot and scoot, we hit the empire, and then we
Speaker 2: get out of here. Whether it's hawth, this is what
Speaker 2: they did on Yavitt, this is what they did on
Speaker 2: Crate later in the later trilogies, it's hit and run.
Speaker 2: And here is legitimately, i think, the first example of
Speaker 2: that rebel strategy, although it's just what they have to
Speaker 2: do in this moment. So the refugees fly into action.
Speaker 2: The blast doors are barred and welded shut, broken, Sully
Speaker 2: and Obi are looking at various maps. Meanwhile, stormtroopers are
Speaker 2: a massing outside the gates and they've got heavy guns.
Speaker 1: Reva makes len fall.
Speaker 2: She's here to command the assault from the ground while
Speaker 2: Darth Vader's up in his ship. They begin pounding the
Speaker 2: main blast door with that gigantic mounted blaster inside broken.
Speaker 2: It's like, man, we can't get the hangar doors open,
Speaker 2: so we can't actually the escape part, like the holding
Speaker 2: off part is going kind of okay, skate part is
Speaker 2: not going to work if we can't get these doors open.
Speaker 2: Hanja comes up and says, well, okay, it looks like
Speaker 2: the wiring runs through that vent. Why don't you go
Speaker 2: up in the fucking vent and fix the wiringer and broke?
Speaker 2: It's like, man, I'm too big to go in there.
Speaker 1: Is that Princess Lea's music.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's Princess Lay's music. Ten year old Princess Lea
Speaker 2: is like, fucking I'll.
Speaker 1: Go up like.
Speaker 3: She's like, Galla ladder, a ladder, you fucking lose it.
Speaker 2: By the way, she doesn't say this, but you could
Speaker 2: tell she's thinking it.
Speaker 1: Who fixes the doors when they break? Like when the
Speaker 1: astrog Yeah, where what's going on?
Speaker 2: Ben tells Hodja keep an eye on Lea. I have
Speaker 2: to go make a phone call. He runs out makes
Speaker 2: a phone call. It's Bail Organo aka Jimmy Baggs. I
Speaker 2: call him that because he keeps collecting those big bags
Speaker 2: for being star Wars.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: He's calling from all around, of course, and he says, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm worried because you have left me on read for
Speaker 2: all this time since I contacted you about rescue Leah.
Speaker 1: You don't call me back.
Speaker 2: I have no information about what's going on with I
Speaker 2: don't know if you're dead or alive, what's going on
Speaker 2: with either of you? And if I don't hear back
Speaker 2: for you, I guess I gotta go to Tattooine to
Speaker 2: check up on quote unquote the Boy aka Luke Skywalker,
Speaker 2: because I know that Owen lars now is not gonna
Speaker 2: be able to do it. Where's by the way, no
Speaker 2: mention of Beru, thanks a lot. Okay, guys, we can't disrespectful.
Speaker 2: He not Actually, Brew doesn't need help.
Speaker 3: He's like just Owen.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's kind of a mess.
Speaker 3: He's a mess. He's very angry. Man. There's something really
Speaker 3: interesting here right, Honestly, I love bail Ghana, one of
Speaker 3: my old time most flawless Star Wars characters. But don't
Speaker 3: say that on a communicator, please, even just the implication
Speaker 3: this is bad. Don't put it out that it's gonna
Speaker 3: end badly for you.
Speaker 2: Leave it as a video voicemail, a hologram voicemail, like
Speaker 2: if you need to say that, yeah, don't, don't do that. Uh.
Speaker 1: And Ben is like, Ben gets.
Speaker 2: This and he's like, oh fuck, shit, things are going bad.
Speaker 2: Tala comes in and she's obviously anxious and very worried
Speaker 2: about these developments, you know, the Empire here and attacking
Speaker 2: and always like everything's going to be found. Tala then
Speaker 2: shares her own imperial or in sory. She was obviously
Speaker 2: an imperial officer. She was part of a round up
Speaker 2: operation of four sensitive families that turned out to be
Speaker 2: a catch and kill, you know, offshoot of Order sixty six,
Speaker 2: basically a wipeout mass murder operation.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And she says, of that, so now I do this,
Speaker 2: and this means helping refugees escape from imperial clutches and
Speaker 2: killing imperial forces. Rocan then comes in. He's like, hey,
Speaker 2: shit is hitting the fan. The blast door is holding
Speaker 2: out but is getting warped by the barrage of this
Speaker 2: heavy blaster.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: So it always like, okay, I gotta buya this even
Speaker 2: more time for the doorskit fix and everybody to escape.
Speaker 2: I am going to have one on one with Riva.
Speaker 2: And so he walks up to the door and they
Speaker 2: communicate using the force through the door. She's like, I
Speaker 2: know you're selling for time.
Speaker 1: It won't work.
Speaker 2: Vader wants to capture you, wants to torture you, and
Speaker 2: he's here and he's not gonna be stopped and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. And then Obi is like, oh, interesting, how,
Speaker 2: by the way, how did you know that Anakin Skywalker
Speaker 2: is Darth Vader. That's not a thing that anybody wants
Speaker 2: out there that certainly Vader would have wanted to keep
Speaker 2: that secret. How did you know? And then he works
Speaker 2: it out. Ah, you were a youngling. You were at
Speaker 2: the temple on the night of Order sixty six. You
Speaker 2: saw Anakin mass murdering Ing. We got it right, Ingriva,
Speaker 2: we got it absolutely right. Now small note, I actually
Speaker 2: think you didn't need this mysterious reveal.
Speaker 1: I think I think you could have gone.
Speaker 2: I think you could have opened the same way with
Speaker 2: the with the flashback to Order sixty six and then
Speaker 2: smash cut the Riva and we get it, like, I
Speaker 2: don't think you needed to hide this. I think it
Speaker 2: made it a little too Like I don't understand Reva's truly,
Speaker 2: like what's going on inside of Riva? That said, here
Speaker 2: is a confirmation of what we and many other people
Speaker 2: were saying, and all of which is say we are right.
Speaker 2: Riva then says, heartbreakingly, we thought he was there helpless.
Speaker 2: We thought Anakin was there helpless, and of course he wasn't.
Speaker 2: He was there to kill everyone. She survived by pretending
Speaker 2: to be dead amongst the slain on the floor, feeling
Speaker 2: their bodies go cold. And it was her disgust at
Speaker 2: her own weakness, at her own inability to do anything
Speaker 2: about this, that has led her on the path to
Speaker 2: become more powerful, and thus led her on the path
Speaker 2: to becoming an inquisitor. And Obie realizes, Oh, so your
Speaker 2: quest to become the Grand Inquisitor is actually a mission
Speaker 2: to get closer to Vader so that over time, as
Speaker 2: his guard goes down, you will have the opportunity to
Speaker 2: kill him. I'm right right, you want to take revenge.
Speaker 2: He's absolutely right. And this is real sith rule of
Speaker 2: one type ideology.
Speaker 1: This is how it happens.
Speaker 2: It's not that you know and a Sith takes uh,
Speaker 2: you know, takes a learner, and that person then becomes
Speaker 2: so evil that they kill their master.
Speaker 1: It's they're so tortured.
Speaker 2: And and and uh and mistreated by their master that
Speaker 2: they feel like, I have to stop this person because
Speaker 2: that's doing good, Like it would actually be a good
Speaker 2: deed for me to kill this person. So I have
Speaker 2: to become powerful enough to do it. And that is
Speaker 2: how the dark side seduces you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's such a good point, and I
Speaker 3: it's I totally get what you mean. I I like,
Speaker 3: I really love the revenge. I think that is the
Speaker 3: smartest twist. I think we all knew she was a
Speaker 3: youngling like that was that was clear, but she moses
Speaker 3: is great and to hear her talking about it and
Speaker 3: invote those kind of horrible memories and that nod like
Speaker 3: you said back to you know, the first kid who
Speaker 3: sees Anakin come in, Master Master Skywalker, Oh you're getting
Speaker 3: like you're dead, And it was really and I really like,
Speaker 3: I just really like the revenge aspect, But in respect
Speaker 3: to Reva, who I do rate and I rate this
Speaker 3: as a motivation much more than joining the Jedi to like,
Speaker 3: like joining the inquisitors to kill your own people. That's
Speaker 3: messed up, But revenge I can get down with it.
Speaker 3: But I feel like there was multiple times that she
Speaker 3: could have already killed Anakin and she could have just
Speaker 3: been like the classic like you put it. You're like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're gonna put it through the tummy or something like.
Speaker 3: But you know what Reva is a She is a
Speaker 3: dramatic person who likes to create an event. As we
Speaker 3: are about to find out, because one of the moments
Speaker 3: that you were cracking me up so much about is
Speaker 3: about to come up right now.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let's talk about these issues more in a bit,
Speaker 2: because I've really been thinking so much about the way
Speaker 2: Star Wars frames power and makes us empathize with people
Speaker 2: who have power. But let's table that for a second.
Speaker 2: Ben then makes a pitch Terariva, Hey, team up, like together,
Speaker 2: we can take him down. We can put a stop
Speaker 2: to this. I can help you do it. And Reva
Speaker 2: turns it around. It's like where were you that night?
Speaker 3: Where were you?
Speaker 2: He was your PoTA on what were you question this?
Speaker 2: Obie has absolutely no answer. Then Riva cuts through the gate,
Speaker 2: the blast gate with.
Speaker 6: Drama.
Speaker 2: Folks, Folks, why did we fucking set.
Speaker 3: Up minutes or something like away wasting.
Speaker 2: Amble with the heavy blust to get in there with
Speaker 2: the lightsaber?
Speaker 1: Cut the fucking door open? Jesus, what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Maybe I will say this is I'm I'm building a
Speaker 3: reading of Reva with some actions that she takes where
Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily fully cohesively gel with what we saw
Speaker 3: of her in the first few episodes, where she was
Speaker 3: so yeah, just ruthless with the power that she wanted
Speaker 3: to have, that she was going to talk to a baby.
Speaker 3: But I do believe I feel like maybe the reason
Speaker 3: that she didn't do it straight away is because she
Speaker 3: didn't want the stormtroopers and the weapons to end up
Speaker 3: getting to the children and the rebels. And I feel
Speaker 3: like there's a couple of moments here where they lean
Speaker 3: into that but still narratively absolutely hilarious moment and I'm
Speaker 3: just like reading, what.
Speaker 1: Are you doing?
Speaker 7: Baby?
Speaker 2: Walk up, walk up and slice the door and then
Speaker 2: we're inside.
Speaker 3: I know they also have more than one lightsaber in
Speaker 3: that cruise. Yeah, we know it. We know there's a
Speaker 3: lot of lightsabers.
Speaker 1: Big fight pops off.
Speaker 2: Obi uses the force to UH to push Reaver back
Speaker 2: outside the gate. And here we're seeing that Obi Wan
Speaker 2: Kenobi's connection with the forces is rejuvenated. It's growing stronger
Speaker 2: by the moment as he's reading scovered his mission to
Speaker 2: do good, to help people.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And here we see a battle for every single inch
Speaker 2: of the facility, the the the the rebels, we're just
Speaker 2: gonna call them rebels, even though they don't think of
Speaker 2: themselves as quite that yet and they're not quite organized
Speaker 2: to do it. But this is this is the beginning
Speaker 2: of the ideology of the Rebel alliance. They are outgunned,
Speaker 2: but they're absolutely courageous, fighting and falling back all the
Speaker 2: while towards the hangarbay. Meanwhile, Leah is up in the
Speaker 2: vent and she's struggling to figure out, Okay, what the
Speaker 2: where's the breaker, where's the right one? And also I
Speaker 2: have to mention broken the vent is not that small.
Speaker 3: The door to it is like smallish, But once you're
Speaker 3: in the space, there's a lot of space.
Speaker 1: Like Leya is could standing up like could you could?
Speaker 3: They not have like sent up broken to like tell
Speaker 3: her about how it works inside old and she's just
Speaker 3: like driggs.
Speaker 2: I mean, but still, you bro can get up there
Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, I think it's over by that.
Speaker 2: Why are you standing by the fucking button helping no one?
Speaker 1: Just being like you got it yet? You gotta know
Speaker 1: she's deen help her out.
Speaker 6: Anyway.
Speaker 1: In the fight, Tala falls and this is heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: Her loyal droid need Be then shields her with its
Speaker 2: body shades of Ktuso on SCAA. Tala then makes the
Speaker 2: ultimate sacrifice, detonating a grenade, killing herself in a squad
Speaker 2: of stormtroopers. But the sacrifice is absolutely crucial because it
Speaker 2: buys minutes that the rebels absolutely need to get away.
Speaker 2: Obi and the refugees are now falling back to the
Speaker 2: very very last position to the hangar. Bay Leah is
Speaker 2: up in the vent and again she's only ten, but
Speaker 2: she's kind of choking.
Speaker 1: Here and is getting a little touchy. They're like, hey,
Speaker 1: how's it going.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm looking okay, listen, Prince Lea, I get it.
Speaker 2: You're put in a really tough position. No one is
Speaker 2: really helping you find the breaker. But like, can we
Speaker 2: tone down the attitude because people are dying down.
Speaker 1: Like, people are getting fucking murdered down here.
Speaker 2: So we're everyone's just like a little hot about when
Speaker 2: is the.
Speaker 1: When are you going to figure out where the fucking
Speaker 1: breaker is.
Speaker 3: I'm not blaming.
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming You're not blaming anybody.
Speaker 3: It is Also it is also how droid, which is
Speaker 3: close with this whole time, so like, very please observe
Speaker 3: the jeord.
Speaker 2: Also, did you not like the eyes of the droid
Speaker 2: were very, very obviously red.
Speaker 1: Did that not raise it?
Speaker 3: They are corrupted, crystal red.
Speaker 2: Like please, We're gonna need to unpack this when this
Speaker 2: is all over. But that's we're in an emergency right now,
Speaker 2: so let's just keep going with the facility breached. Vader
Speaker 2: is like, all right, everybody, time out, I'm coach, Vader
Speaker 2: is coming down.
Speaker 1: I am getting on the field. I'm putting myself at
Speaker 1: the game. We get another flashback.
Speaker 2: Anakin has now cornered his master against the balcony balustrade
Speaker 2: and batters him to the ground, but Obi won't admit defeat.
Speaker 1: We go back to the present.
Speaker 2: Obi, much to the contrary, is coming to a quite
Speaker 2: different conclusion about this battle on Jabeim. He decides, you
Speaker 2: know what, we can't win this. I am going to
Speaker 2: give myself to Vader and maybe that'll stop the carns.
Speaker 2: Broken is like, no, don't, which I was like broken.
Speaker 1: Wait.
Speaker 2: First of all, yesterday you were like, get this fucking
Speaker 2: Jedi out of here, and now this Jedi is like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm just gonna give myself to Vader and
Speaker 2: maybe that and now you're like don't Haja can't.
Speaker 1: Believe it either. Obi wants just don't worry. Don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. Uh.
Speaker 2: Then and truly like you crazy for this one obi
Speaker 2: Wan move. He gives up his blaster, lightsaber and cell phone.
Speaker 3: Cell phone is the most important.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 3: Everything else you have the force, but the cell phone.
Speaker 3: Just keep it tucked in this side. Too many robe pockets,
Speaker 3: obi Wan.
Speaker 1: Or take your lightsaber and destroy it. You've got the information.
Speaker 1: Don't let this fall into anybody's hands.
Speaker 6: Just any deletes it.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's an option on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's gonna be a delete. Uh.
Speaker 2: He goes over and he surrenders. Stormtroopers present him to Reva.
Speaker 2: Reva says, hey, guess what daddy Vader's on his way.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then Obi then says the absolute hardest line in
Speaker 2: the entire episode, bringing him to me.
Speaker 1: I'm bringing him to you. Oh.
Speaker 2: Now here Obi Wan is making a very very smart play,
Speaker 2: using almost sith.
Speaker 1: Like seduction techniques, right but for good.
Speaker 2: Here he says, Hey, getting in touch now with Reva's feelings,
Speaker 2: but from the light side, right her hopefully still intact
Speaker 2: instinct to protect the defensees. Hey, there's kids in here,
Speaker 2: there's families in here. You don't let Anakin do again.
Speaker 2: You're gonna murder kids again. We can end this together.
Speaker 2: I should add there are two hundred Stormtroopers watching this
Speaker 2: conversation too, talking loud.
Speaker 3: Did we did we? Did we not just see them?
Speaker 3: Did we not just see them communicating via the force?
Speaker 3: They could have just been having a little you know what,
Speaker 3: This does play into one of my absolute favorite favorite
Speaker 3: like Star Wars things, which is just like Stormtroopers are
Speaker 3: like so sick of everyone ship. They don't fucking defeat
Speaker 3: Darth Vader. This ship is annoying, Like I want to go.
Speaker 1: They're just like they're just talking about like critters and stuff.
Speaker 3: That the longer it went on, I was like, you
Speaker 3: got to be joking. I was like, you two are
Speaker 3: not even whispering. I was like, this, this is going
Speaker 3: to end badly for you.
Speaker 2: Uh So, Reva doesn't say yes to the pitch of
Speaker 2: let's take down, but she says, okay, but what do
Speaker 2: we do if Vader is expecting us to do that?
Speaker 2: Like that's this is all some elaborate ruse. Ben is like, don't.
Speaker 1: Worry, he will be so laser focused on me.
Speaker 2: He won't notice anything else, which is actually a pretty
Speaker 2: good point stormtroopers. Then the stormtroopers then escort obi Wan
Speaker 2: back inside the facility. Okay, table that detail for now.
Speaker 2: We go back to another flashback. Ben escapes the corner.
Speaker 2: He Anakin smashes the lightsaber out of obi Wan's hands,
Speaker 2: disarming him, but Anakin's lust for winning has blinded him
Speaker 2: to really what the Jedi's true weapon is, which is
Speaker 2: themselves and their desire to.
Speaker 1: Do good and to protect people into uphold the light.
Speaker 2: Vader arrives on Jabim in the present day and he's like,
Speaker 2: where the fuck is Obi Wan?
Speaker 1: What happened? Do we not just have him? You had him? Really?
Speaker 1: What where you didn't you said? You just said you
Speaker 1: had him. You just texted me I got him? Is
Speaker 1: that not you?
Speaker 2: And then Reeva's like, now he's in the facility with
Speaker 2: the two stormtroopers that we're escorting him in the facility,
Speaker 2: and then he got away and you gotta go chase
Speaker 2: him cause he's in there. Vader's like, fine, I'll go
Speaker 2: get him. Meanwhile, Ben is running towards the hangarbay. Leah
Speaker 2: finally in the event notices her good friend Lola. This
Speaker 2: is crazy shit. Here's Lola glowing red eyes right near
Speaker 2: the circuitry that has been fucking sabotaged that is keeping
Speaker 2: them from escaping. And Leah's like, oh, Lola, what are
Speaker 2: you doing here? How about like fucking everything up?
Speaker 3: Lea?
Speaker 1: I realized that, Leah.
Speaker 3: I love you. I love your short legs and your
Speaker 3: force fast running.
Speaker 1: I love you.
Speaker 3: But but but but in every other episode, this droid
Speaker 3: has been at your side. You are putting people's lives
Speaker 3: at risk for the joy. You love the droid. You
Speaker 3: look at the droid, you take everywhere with you. That
Speaker 3: is how they were able to put a try. But
Speaker 3: now the droid does a stranger. The droid is a
Speaker 3: mifty where's the droid who's how did it take her
Speaker 3: this long? I do not lie unless the droid had
Speaker 3: some kind of like the droid actually like had a
Speaker 3: scythe inside of it. That was like, fucking how would
Speaker 3: the docks I'm.
Speaker 1: Sorry shock it. Leah sees Lola and is like, oh, Lola, hi, honey,
Speaker 1: where you been? Like what are you doing in this event?
Speaker 1: It's so weird that you're here where.
Speaker 2: All the equipment is in sabotage and honestly would not
Speaker 2: have realized despite the glowing red eyes, except Lola then
Speaker 2: attacks her and she grabs she She grabs Lola and
Speaker 2: sees that it's got this bitty restraining well, this is very,
Speaker 2: very the smallest restraining bolt that has ever been put
Speaker 2: on a droid.
Speaker 1: She takes it off and that fixes. That fixes stuff.
Speaker 2: Lola's eyes all of a sudden turned blue and then
Speaker 2: Princess Lea is able to fix the doors. Doors are
Speaker 2: now open. The refugees are making a run for the
Speaker 2: transport ships. Ben arrives and is escorting Laya to the transport,
Speaker 2: but Vader is hot on their heels, and when Vader
Speaker 2: gets into the hangar bay, he sees one of these
Speaker 2: cruisers taking off it's about to take off.
Speaker 1: And then, in an.
Speaker 2: Indible display of strength and dark side power and will,
Speaker 2: Vader reaches out with the force pulls the ship back
Speaker 2: down as its thrusters are struggling mightily to have it.
Speaker 2: To have the ship power the ship out out of orbit,
Speaker 2: Vader pulls it down. It lands with a thud. He
Speaker 2: tears open the doors, peers inside the ship. But guess
Speaker 2: what the ship was a decoy There's another ship. That
Speaker 2: ship flies away and Vader is now like in force
Speaker 2: cool down for fifteen seconds or thirty seconds or whatever,
Speaker 2: and he just is too exhausted to do anything about it.
Speaker 2: And ben in the fucking rebels have escaped. We go
Speaker 2: back to our duel on Coruscant in the past. Obie
Speaker 2: dodges Anakin's attacks using the force. He takes Anakin's lightsaber
Speaker 2: and says, you're a great warrior, Anakin, but your need
Speaker 2: to prove yourself as you're undoing in this moment. The
Speaker 2: lesson is clearly accepted by Anakin Skywalker, but as we
Speaker 2: know from the life of Anakin Skywalker slash Darth Vader
Speaker 2: definitely not learned. He definitely did not internalize this. As
Speaker 2: Vader is breathing heavy because he's just exerted like mega
Speaker 2: mega mega force powers, and he's staring up at this
Speaker 2: ship that is now flying away from him, powerless to
Speaker 2: stop it, even though there is an Imperial fucking cruiser
Speaker 2: up there somewhere. Apparently nothing can be done. Reva then
Speaker 2: chooses this moment to sneak up and try to backstap Vader.
Speaker 1: Guess how that fucking goes?
Speaker 3: Well, she yells, that's my biggest from that. She does
Speaker 3: a martial arts movie. Yell that is done so that
Speaker 3: for choreography, right, and martial arts movies. You yell so
Speaker 3: you know where you're coming from, so you can hit,
Speaker 3: so you can find It's incredible. My bat my dear,
Speaker 3: my dear, Reva, you could have just been quiet and
Speaker 3: stabbed him this again.
Speaker 2: Also yeah, Also when he's like using all of his
Speaker 2: might to hold on to the ship.
Speaker 1: And pull it back down to Jami. Yeah, right, then
Speaker 1: walk up and couple of.
Speaker 2: Pa ray Vader that says he was wise to use
Speaker 2: you against me, and they fight, and it's a really
Speaker 2: cool reversal of the last bit of the duel that
Speaker 2: we saw in the past. Anakin verse versus Obi Wan
Speaker 2: in which Obi Wan disarmed just simply dodges all of
Speaker 2: Anakin's attacks.
Speaker 1: Here, Vader does the exact same thing.
Speaker 3: Almost using the pallos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, telling you that he is he is still thinking
Speaker 2: about that duel he was remembering, and he's been thinking
Speaker 2: about that moment, and he is just dodging her attacks.
Speaker 2: She's swiping at him, swinging at him, slicing in him,
Speaker 2: and he is just dodging left and right, left and right. Finally,
Speaker 2: she ignites her lightsaber to its full length like a staff,
Speaker 2: like a long staff, and engages Inquisitor spinning mode with
Speaker 2: with the lightsaber. And I have to say, whatever amount
Speaker 2: of billions of credits the Inquisitor fucking force invested in
Speaker 2: creating Spin Lightsaber Tech, it was a waste.
Speaker 1: It doesn't do shit.
Speaker 2: All Spin Lightsaber Tech has ever done is defend against
Speaker 2: blasters kind of because the Inquisitors are not that adept
Speaker 2: at the Force, not like Jedi or Sith to be
Speaker 2: able to like block stuff, you know. So they have
Speaker 2: the spin, but the spin has never killed anybody who
Speaker 2: is trying to defend themselves.
Speaker 3: It doesn't work. This is my ibi.
Speaker 1: This spin doesn't work.
Speaker 3: This show is truly bill on my my favorite. This
Speaker 3: is my inquisite theory.
Speaker 6: None.
Speaker 3: They are all like deep down, the light Side is
Speaker 3: just like making them shit. They like don't actually want
Speaker 3: to kill all the Jedi, so like every choice they
Speaker 3: make that should be like like making this super sick
Speaker 3: light but it never walks, like he doesn't worry. They
Speaker 3: have been like the most badass looking lightsaber in the
Speaker 3: whole world. Guess what, it's not gonna walk. So the
Speaker 3: Jedi again on A sixty six is failing. I feel
Speaker 3: like maybe that's actually the secret agenda at this point.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: So she engages spin mode, Vader uses the force, he
Speaker 2: slows it down so it's no loger spitting, and then
Speaker 2: he disarms her, snaps her saber staff in two, and
Speaker 2: then gives her the other half.
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 2: Read So now it's the first live action red lightsaber
Speaker 2: on red lightsaber duel in Star Wars history. This is
Speaker 2: iconic and historic stuff, folks, and a proper duel at
Speaker 2: which of what do you think?
Speaker 1: It's fucking Darth Vader?
Speaker 2: He wins, He gut stabs Reva, and she falls to
Speaker 2: her knees, and in that moment, her thoughts returned to
Speaker 2: the massacre and the fear of Order sixty six. Here
Speaker 2: it is happening again. Vader says, I saw the coming
Speaker 2: all along. He even, Yeah, now you're of no further
Speaker 2: use to me. And how did he figure out?
Speaker 1: Well, Reva, along with the many, many.
Speaker 2: Clues that you left, how about the fact that you
Speaker 2: had a public conversation in front of two hundred stormtroopers
Speaker 2: with Kobe Wan Kenobi about switching sides and betraying Darth Vader.
Speaker 1: In front of two hundred.
Speaker 2: Imperial soldiers who were just like, oh cool, this is
Speaker 2: a cool governsation.
Speaker 3: So if that, if she remembers that night, which we
Speaker 3: know is like basically that's like the most important night
Speaker 3: in Anakin Skywalker's life and his transition to the dark side.
Speaker 3: Like if she remembers his face, he probably remembers the
Speaker 3: face of everyone who he killed or who he thought
Speaker 3: he killed. So she probably he probably just saw him
Speaker 3: and was like, I knew this was coming. Keeps him
Speaker 3: up in the back of the tank is like which
Speaker 3: one survived.
Speaker 2: So Viva is perhaps mortally wounded. She's on the ground now,
Speaker 2: writhing in pain. She's in and out of conscious. This
Speaker 2: is barely holding on the real Grain Inquisitor comes out
Speaker 2: original the o G Grand Inquisitor, now fully healed from
Speaker 2: his gut, stab the back to tank doing It's where
Speaker 2: he comes out. And let me tell you, my guy
Speaker 2: is extremely proud of himself for doing.
Speaker 1: Nothing, for.
Speaker 2: He's just a fucking bog and here he here, he is,
Speaker 2: acting like he hit the game winner.
Speaker 1: You didn't do.
Speaker 3: Shit, He's a he's a smug jobs. He's like, look
Speaker 3: at me. You couldn't catch Obi Wan Kudobi. You couldn't
Speaker 3: stop Reva. You didn't know she was a spy. You
Speaker 3: did nothing apart from in the back to tank, which hopefully.
Speaker 2: Yeah, other than tongue licking Darth Vader's armor clean. What
Speaker 2: do you do? He then here's what he does. He
Speaker 2: reaches down, he plucks the Grand Inquisitor badge off of
Speaker 2: Reeva's armor. He puts it on his own chest and
Speaker 2: he says see you later, Alligator.
Speaker 1: Bye, and they don't kill her. They leave her there.
Speaker 2: Okay, big mistake obviously, because well for Obi Wan really,
Speaker 2: because Reva sees Obie's smashed cell phone there on the ground,
Speaker 2: She's like, what's that?
Speaker 1: She crawls over to it.
Speaker 2: Darth vader, the grant inquiser gone, they have left name
Speaker 2: on quickly gone. He well, he needs to They need
Speaker 2: to catch obi Wan. So they needed to get a
Speaker 2: move on. So Reva crawls over, manages to get a
Speaker 2: hold of the phone and presses plate. Now it's been
Speaker 2: damaged and the message is incomplete, but she's able to
Speaker 2: make out uh, something about a boy, something about a
Speaker 2: person named Owen, and then the planet very clearly of
Speaker 2: tattooing on the outer rim. Everybody knows tattooing. Meanwhile, on
Speaker 2: the escape ship, broken in the refugees and.
Speaker 1: Ben Ben.
Speaker 2: Consents with the force that something is wrong. The thing
Speaker 2: that's wrong is Reva just saw the message about tattooing
Speaker 2: and the boy and whatever. But he's he can feel it.
Speaker 2: Something is not right. Rocan comes up, It's like, hey
Speaker 2: you so it's a little bad news. Broken's like, hey,
Speaker 2: a little bad news. The dark our invadership is like
Speaker 2: right behind us and our hyperdrivers out. But you look
Speaker 2: like really pale. Obi Wan like you look like you
Speaker 2: just see are you good? And then obi Wan is
Speaker 2: like I'm sure it's nothing. Absolute fucking flat out lie.
Speaker 2: You choose now to You could have lied when you
Speaker 2: had the inspirational speech, but I get it. There's no
Speaker 2: reason to alarm these people. Now, thank you for doing
Speaker 2: the right thing. Here we go to tattooing, and this
Speaker 2: is left me thrilled. We're floating over the sands towards
Speaker 2: a familiar set of buildings. It is the Lars Moisture Farm,
Speaker 2: the home of Owen and Beru, and of course a
Speaker 2: young man who is sleeping in his bed, the young
Speaker 2: Luke Skywalker.
Speaker 1: Baba baa. We go to end credits. Folks, Rosie listen.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm, I'm have been very critical of Riuva's
Speaker 2: strategizing and her planning in this, but what a thrilling
Speaker 2: episode of television.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is so thrilling and it's so charming, and look,
Speaker 3: this is the real truth. And everyone who listeners knows this.
Speaker 3: We know this. We're positive people. We love this stuff.
Speaker 3: But you know what's really really fun about stuff that
Speaker 3: you love when you're talking about with your friends and
Speaker 3: you're like picking apart, like why would they do that?
Speaker 3: Like how does that work? You know, that's the fun
Speaker 3: of watching this stuff. And like the good thing is
Speaker 3: Moses just sells Reaver's journey so much that like you
Speaker 3: want her to survive, you want to know what happens next.
Speaker 3: You can relate to the horror of the young Wings
Speaker 3: and everything that happen and why you know, being There's
Speaker 3: lots of narrative ways we could explain it, like being
Speaker 3: on that edge between the dark side and the light
Speaker 3: side and being a force user but not really ever
Speaker 3: connecting to either side of the force. There's many reasons
Speaker 3: you could be making some silly decisions. There's also definitely
Speaker 3: an arc of like by the end post almost torturing Layer,
Speaker 3: she wants to let she doesn't want to stab someone
Speaker 3: in the back in a silent way. She wants to
Speaker 3: let him know it's him and have a fair fight.
Speaker 3: There are these little moments, but also like this is
Speaker 3: just such a fun show and I think this really yeah,
Speaker 3: this really shows the power of when there's there's that
Speaker 3: great pulpy way that Star Wars tells to you, that
Speaker 3: Star Wars tells stories like the Mandalorian, which is like
Speaker 3: sequential serial storytelling, like you're watching a Saturday morning show.
Speaker 3: And I love that they can have that, and then
Speaker 3: they can have something like this that just feels like
Speaker 3: this epic singular story where you just care so much
Speaker 3: about everything that happens, and also like they're so good
Speaker 3: at doing those endings like this gives you that same
Speaker 3: feeling as when obi Wan said anakain and then he
Speaker 3: opened his eyes. You know? So do you okay? So
Speaker 3: this is what I want to know. Do you think
Speaker 3: obviously we're gonna see Luke next episode? There's two questions
Speaker 3: I want to know. Do you think him and Ley
Speaker 3: are going to meet? I will probably cry? And do
Speaker 3: you think this? To me feels like everyone always thought
Speaker 3: this series was gonna be about Luke and obi Wan
Speaker 3: and Luke? Does this feel like season two the inevitable?
Speaker 3: Season two is gonna be like Luke and obi Wan?
Speaker 3: Because that's what this kind of feels like to me.
Speaker 2: If I think that Leah and Luke are going to
Speaker 2: almost meet several times in Anguish It, it's gonna be like.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be crying.
Speaker 1: He had if he had just if.
Speaker 2: Luke had just turned the corner and looked to his right,
Speaker 2: she would have been there. If if Leah had just
Speaker 2: done this, they would have met. I think we're gonna
Speaker 2: get a lot of near missus. And then I think
Speaker 2: you're right We're gonna be set up to have been
Speaker 2: as the more active protector of the young Luke Skywalker
Speaker 2: in the ten years that are gonna lead up to
Speaker 2: the eventual Battle of Yavin, the emergence of Luke Skywalker.
Speaker 2: Is this galactic figure to return to Riva For a second,
Speaker 2: I think I've been thinking a lot about the kind
Speaker 2: of the central theme in Star Wars of overcoming trauma
Speaker 2: and being forgiven, you know, like the original trilogy ended
Speaker 2: on this really like heartwarming, big hearted note of Anakin
Speaker 2: Skywalker coming back to the Light, meeting his son, being
Speaker 2: a part of his son and his daughter's life, and.
Speaker 1: Actually putting the Force back into balance.
Speaker 2: Tied Up in all of that, though, is how can
Speaker 2: we And I think that central idea, which is so
Speaker 2: compelling of like, listen, we've all done things in our
Speaker 2: lives that we feel bad about, you know, but that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you are beyond forgiveness. No one you
Speaker 2: can forgive yourself for the mistake you've made. Now we
Speaker 2: have not made mistakes that include like the wiping out
Speaker 2: of entire places, genocide, so complete planetary genocides, And that
Speaker 2: leads me this is where I'm not gonna say, I
Speaker 2: love Star Wars.
Speaker 1: I'm very passionate about Star Wars. I'm sure everybody here
Speaker 1: listening understands.
Speaker 2: That we are very passionate about Yeah, but my feelings
Speaker 2: are complicated in that. Can we how can we forgive
Speaker 2: Darth Vader for all of these stuff, killing the like
Speaker 2: the Younglings, various massacres across the galaxy in the twenty
Speaker 2: years until the Battle of Yavin, the destruction of Aldron.
Speaker 2: He didn't pull the trigger, but he was there. He
Speaker 2: was a part of it. He was part of the
Speaker 2: imperial regime that did that. How can we how can
Speaker 2: we forgive a person that did that? And which leads
Speaker 2: me this is what I was thinking about with Reva's Turn,
Speaker 2: which is just how seductive power. How it tells you that, listen,
Speaker 2: you've been hurt, You're gonna take revenge, You're gonna do
Speaker 2: something that is good. You're gonna stop this villainous person
Speaker 2: from doing more bad things. But all the while, as
Speaker 2: you accrue the power to do that, you are turning
Speaker 2: bad yourself. And the thing that I found really compelling
Speaker 2: about Reva's arc is that unlike Darth, who is just
Speaker 2: like pure evil right now, even though that we know
Speaker 2: that there is a park of light inside him. Reva
Speaker 2: sees herself as the good person. Everyone has failed her.
Speaker 2: The Jedi failed Obi Wan Kenobi walked away as far
Speaker 2: as she knows, from his padawan and his responsibility, and
Speaker 2: that person unleashed then killed everyone, and she couldn't do
Speaker 2: anything about it. And now here she is doing what
Speaker 2: she has to do to stop it. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, how can we forgive Reva for ye, yes,
Speaker 2: it's true she didn't torture Lea, but she was gonna.
Speaker 1: She was one step away from doing it.
Speaker 2: It just the torture machines took too long to boot up.
Speaker 2: How can we forgive her for all the things that
Speaker 2: she's done? Which finally leads me to my the final
Speaker 2: central question that other people who have listened to other
Speaker 2: listen to Benjamin Star Wars have heard me talk about this,
Speaker 2: which I want to pose now to you, Rosie.
Speaker 1: Is that and it's my and it's the one, it's
Speaker 1: the it's the kind.
Speaker 2: Of like you know how Anakin has like the hint
Speaker 2: of light inside of him still as he's Darth. Right
Speaker 2: now here is the hint of doubt inside me Regarding
Speaker 2: Star Wars and its depiction of forgiveness and power is
Speaker 2: that Star Wars hacks our empathy program, which is when
Speaker 2: we engage with stories we want to empathize with the
Speaker 2: person who has power.
Speaker 1: We don't want to We don't want to.
Speaker 2: Engage with a story about the stable boys before they
Speaker 2: learn how to use the Force, or the regular people
Speaker 2: in the galaxy who are just doing regular people shit,
Speaker 2: working like cutting whale blubber from the from some is
Speaker 2: on the sands of tattooing.
Speaker 1: We don't care about them.
Speaker 2: We want to know about the Sith, and we want
Speaker 2: to know about the Jedi, and we don't want to
Speaker 2: know about the Stormtroopers and the Inquisitors and all the
Speaker 2: stuff that they've done. But at the same time, there's like,
Speaker 2: this is a massive galact of war that has taken billions,
Speaker 2: if not trillions of lives, and we don't think about
Speaker 2: those people. And I and it just gives me pause
Speaker 2: because I feel like it's it's it's a kind of
Speaker 2: a metaphor for what we deal with in life right now.
Speaker 2: It's like we want to focus on the politicians who
Speaker 2: are running things and the bad actors that we know about,
Speaker 2: and the and the this talking head that is terrible
Speaker 2: and this influencer that is a piece of shit. At
Speaker 2: the same time, like, there are truly like powerless people
Speaker 2: in the world who we for whatever reason because instinctively
Speaker 2: we don't want to empathize with them, because we don't
Speaker 2: want to feel like we ourselves are powerless.
Speaker 1: We want to We want to even if it makes
Speaker 1: us enraged.
Speaker 2: We want to think about the powerful people who are
Speaker 2: fucking things up rather than the powerless people who are
Speaker 2: under the boot of those forces. And that's what Star
Speaker 2: Wars makes me think about it. I was thinking about
Speaker 2: this entire episode. What do you think about that?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 1: I think that'd give you pause.
Speaker 3: I think it's really true. I think it's one of
Speaker 3: the ultimate conundrums of Star Wars. It's also one of
Speaker 3: the talking points that I think fans talk about a lot.
Speaker 3: I think so. I think that for me, I feel everything.
Speaker 3: I totally agree with everything you're saying, but almost more
Speaker 3: from like an outside perspective, because I agree that that
Speaker 3: is a central thematic issue with Star Wars, and really
Speaker 3: any film about war, honestly, is it focuses on the
Speaker 3: people who are committing it rather than the people who are.
Speaker 1: Victims of the people who won.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the people, and also the history is told by
Speaker 3: people who won, right, that's what we always know that,
Speaker 3: But I have to say that I think that personally,
Speaker 3: like the one, especially as I've grown older, this has changed.
Speaker 3: But like going back to that central the first thing
Speaker 3: that we believe about it, right, which is the Vader.
Speaker 3: I really I don't know if I believe that we're
Speaker 3: supposed to forgive him or that it's supposed to be
Speaker 3: anything other than a father just doing the right thing
Speaker 3: by his kid. I don't know that that act is
Speaker 3: meant to make him absolved. I just feel like in
Speaker 3: that moment, the light wins over the dark, you know,
Speaker 3: And that's I think that's kind of again, it's that
Speaker 3: thing when we take the power away from Vader and
Speaker 3: the idea that he could just suddenly everything's fine. Annie's
Speaker 3: like Annie again, and it's like he was our dad,
Speaker 3: when really it's just one person making one choice that
Speaker 3: in that moment has a really positive impact. It doesn't
Speaker 3: negate all the negativity that he did, but in that
Speaker 3: moment it puts us on a different path. And like
Speaker 3: for me, something and I mean we've talked about this
Speaker 3: of course, But like, I think, this is such a
Speaker 3: central kind of conundrum within Star Wars that it's why
Speaker 3: so many of us were so deeply excited by the
Speaker 3: end of you know, The Last Jedi, because suddenly it
Speaker 3: was about the kids who were the stable boys, who
Speaker 3: were the servants, who actually, guess what, they could still
Speaker 3: use the force. They just used it for their chores
Speaker 3: because they didn't know it was magical, because no one
Speaker 3: had ever Actually I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it,
Speaker 3: like nobody had ever come and told them you're worthy.
Speaker 3: This is a power that you have. You can do
Speaker 3: something with this. And I think the other aspect that
Speaker 3: I really struggle with with Star Wars that I think
Speaker 3: fits into this is like that kind of elitist bloodline
Speaker 3: nature of the Jedi and this kind of idea that
Speaker 3: like certain people can and you have to live by
Speaker 3: this forceful way. And I say, I have a problem
Speaker 3: with it. But what I actually love is I love
Speaker 3: delving into the Star Wars stories and again The Last Jedi,
Speaker 3: I think does a brilliant job of this, looking at
Speaker 3: the the abusive relationship between the master and the student
Speaker 3: and how that can so easily be turned you know, Chris,
Speaker 3: our super producer. Chris made a great point about a
Speaker 3: scene in this episode where there's we see lightsabers in
Speaker 3: the Path and we'd seen lightsabers in the Inquisitorious, And
Speaker 3: I think that is really the power of Star Wars
Speaker 3: is the constant comparison between the Jedi and the Sith,
Speaker 3: and the light Side and the dark Side, and how
Speaker 3: so much of what we critique about the way that
Speaker 3: the Sith use power or the Sith seduce people is
Speaker 3: actually very similar to what the Jedi do. It's just
Speaker 3: that their reasons behind it are different, or the way
Speaker 3: they wheeld the power ends up being different. So I mean,
Speaker 3: those are the kind of conversations I think, and the
Speaker 3: kind of you know, wider galaxy brain takes. That's how
Speaker 3: we can still be into it and be passionate about
Speaker 3: it decades later, because if you just watch it and
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, this is good and this is bad.
Speaker 3: I think those conversations, you know, the way that there
Speaker 3: used to be in like the nineties and the Zeros,
Speaker 3: it was always the conversation of like was the empire right? Surprise?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: But those political conversations no, But like those conversations of
Speaker 3: like and and and the Clerk's conversation. You know, I've
Speaker 3: brought that one up before, like all the people who
Speaker 3: died on the Death Star, Like when we start digging
Speaker 3: in to what it really means to live in that world,
Speaker 3: and we can be the ones who change the meaning
Speaker 3: of the story. We can be the ones who care
Speaker 3: about the young lings or the person who works. We
Speaker 3: can be the one who cares if Max Rebo, Max
Speaker 3: Rebo survives. You know, it's just a question of whether
Speaker 3: the people telling the stories will reflect that. You know.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a great point, in a very powerful one.
Speaker 2: And I think the thing that keeps you and I
Speaker 2: and other people coming back to Star Wars stories so much. Uh,
Speaker 2: that's just very well said. We are the change in
Speaker 2: the story that we want to see from the story.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I will say at the end of Return of the Jedi,
Speaker 2: when the fucking Ewoks are going ape shit and Anakin
Speaker 2: is there in his glowing ghost form, it does feel
Speaker 2: very celebratory of my guy.
Speaker 1: Definitely, no Asterisk, this guy killed.
Speaker 3: At that point, They're like, it's just your dad again,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, I'm going back to that one
Speaker 3: choice he made that one moment that also, I have
Speaker 3: to say, as a number one Ewok lover, I'm always
Speaker 3: just in that moment like yeah, like this is how you.
Speaker 3: The Empire baby is just like a bunch of crazy
Speaker 3: animals with sticks, Like they're just like living life with
Speaker 3: some quick flying around quick final question.
Speaker 2: We gotta see Qui goun Jin in the finale, right,
Speaker 2: it's gotta happen.
Speaker 3: Has to be, I feel like well, and I definitely
Speaker 3: think you touched on this earlier right where you were
Speaker 3: like we see in this episode that obi Wan is
Speaker 3: reconnected to the Force, and I also I like the
Speaker 3: kind of I don't ness. I feel like him, and
Speaker 3: I thought that they might lean into the idea of
Speaker 3: him and Anakin being some kind of creating like a
Speaker 3: Force diad, even though I know that that was more
Speaker 3: connected to like Sith bloodlines and stuff, but it seemed
Speaker 3: like there was something there. And I do still feel
Speaker 3: like it's not a coincidence that while Anakin was so
Speaker 3: focused on these lessons that he'd had with Obi Wan
Speaker 3: that were based around the Force and the Jedi and lightsabers,
Speaker 3: obi Wan was at the same time getting connected to
Speaker 3: the Force again. That feels very relevant to me, So yeah,
Speaker 3: Qui Gonjin, I think that's quite likely. Maybe Luke will
Speaker 3: be in grave danger. Maybe there is something along those lines.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's to do with Anakin, because let's not forget
Speaker 3: who is at fault, Qui gone jin. So he needs
Speaker 3: to come and pay for his pay for his mistakes.
Speaker 2: Next quick question, are the Force users Fortress inquisitorious in
Speaker 2: some kind of stasis or are they dead? Secondary question
Speaker 2: off of that is that is Rocan's wife there, because
Speaker 2: it feels very much like why I mentioned it.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for that shoe to drop was going to
Speaker 1: show up somewhere.
Speaker 3: His Rocan's wife, Mara Jade, who I was sure that
Speaker 3: I saw in he goes crazy. I would love that.
Speaker 3: I don't. I have to say it looks stacisy, right,
Speaker 3: I feel like it.
Speaker 1: Looked stacisy with the eyes open like that.
Speaker 3: Mike God says I. This would be my my my
Speaker 3: logical reading the Padawan, he looked dead. I think that
Speaker 3: was a dead body that they put into that because.
Speaker 5: That creepy nobody's his face was all funked up like
Speaker 5: that may be sad rgy to that padawan, but I
Speaker 5: believe that it could keep dead bodies looking young so
Speaker 5: you can creepily look on them and be like, look.
Speaker 3: At all these people we killed. Or it could potentially
Speaker 3: keep some people in a stasis style situation, and you
Speaker 3: know what, that would make a lot of sense, because,
Speaker 3: as we've said many times, not great actually stopping the Jedi,
Speaker 3: so putting them in stasis and then inevitably allowing some
Speaker 3: of them to escape is very much on the inquisitorious
Speaker 3: kind of path.
Speaker 2: Well catch us next week when we will be talking
Speaker 2: about the Obi Wan Kenobi finale.
Speaker 1: Dunt Dunt dum, Same bad.
Speaker 2: Time, Same bad channel. Up next Hadmind featuring Danny Fernandez.
Speaker 3: Oh hey, Danny, it's so gay to have you here
Speaker 3: on Extra Vision. How are you doing.
Speaker 6: I'm doing good now that I get to see you.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so lovely to see you too. And I'm
Speaker 3: so excited to talk about your amazing comic book debut.
Speaker 6: Thanks for supporting it. I saw you picked up a
Speaker 6: couple of issues.
Speaker 3: So it's got to be done. I mean, we are
Speaker 3: living in a truly great time when we get to
Speaker 3: see our favorite superheroes openly celebrating queerness and celebrating pride
Speaker 3: and to us as fans, it means a lot, Like
Speaker 3: there are a lot of deep layered conversations to be had,
Speaker 3: but generally the fact you can go into a comic
Speaker 3: book shop, or a kid can go into a comic
Speaker 3: book shop and pick up an issue that says pride
Speaker 3: and read a ton of queer stories. That's just a
Speaker 3: great win and it makes me so happy that you're
Speaker 3: involved in it.
Speaker 6: No, it's like wild I've loved these two forever and
Speaker 6: I feel like kind of came full circle with them.
Speaker 6: So to me, they're like the two most iconic queer
Speaker 6: characters in like DC history, aside from Wonder Woman, which
Speaker 6: I love and am excited hopefully to see more of
Speaker 6: her queerness, especially in live action. I'm gonna like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, if you need a girl.
Speaker 3: Everyone would love to see it. Danny, you could just
Speaker 3: be yourself. It's just wonder Woman.
Speaker 6: It's just it's just Danny Fernandez.
Speaker 3: So, like something that we always love to ask our
Speaker 3: guests when they kind of come on here, is what's
Speaker 3: your comic book origin story? Like, what was the moment
Speaker 3: that you fell in love with comics?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so mine, I would have to say, is like
Speaker 6: comic adjacent and that I fell in love with manga,
Speaker 6: being like obsessed with DBZ. I have it tattooed on me.
Speaker 6: It's just so iconic and has affected so much other
Speaker 6: anime and other manga artists and storytellers and so I
Speaker 6: used it used to be really hard to get a
Speaker 6: hold of I want to tell people this, like you would.
Speaker 6: It was either like some little video store, like an
Speaker 6: indie video store, and they would also have like bootleg
Speaker 6: anime DVDs and you could get some manga, or like
Speaker 6: now there's a who section at Barnes and Noble, but
Speaker 6: sometimes it would find its way over there, dude, and
Speaker 6: you could like find manga sometimes in Barnes and Noble,
Speaker 6: which was crazy.
Speaker 3: The kids, like nowadays, they do not know the horror
Speaker 3: of like having to get the They would have like
Speaker 3: vouchers in the back of magazines and it would be
Speaker 3: like you just send off for a VHS and it's
Speaker 3: like three episodes it was thirty dollars, or like you said,
Speaker 3: it's like you've got to find little places. I remember
Speaker 3: in Soho in London there was an old laundromat that
Speaker 3: was actually among a bookseller and most of it was
Speaker 3: in Japanese. So good back. You can just enjoy the art,
Speaker 3: but also like you'd occasionally find a couple of sub
Speaker 3: like things that had been either subbed if it was
Speaker 3: anime or translated. And I'm really glad you picked that
Speaker 3: because I actually think, you know, in a world of
Speaker 3: big two superheroes and Western comics, people don't often think
Speaker 3: about manga as as something that is the same. But
Speaker 3: actually Manger is like this incredibly storied, old version of
Speaker 3: comics that way out dates Western comics, and it's been
Speaker 3: so influential and is also so influential on so many
Speaker 3: creators like you and creators that we love, especially who
Speaker 3: are now making American comics.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just like big storytellers that are making big action movies.
Speaker 6: I know Jordan Peele has talked extensively, uh and I
Speaker 6: know like friends that work for him that said in
Speaker 6: his office he had like anime. Yeah.
Speaker 3: He actually he put the a Keurris slide into the
Speaker 3: International Note trailer. So when I saw that, I was like,
Speaker 3: come on, that's like, I know.
Speaker 6: He said that that and then uh, Taika obviously because
Speaker 6: he was signed on to do that. But like Taika
Speaker 6: wa Titi, and there's so many people who have been
Speaker 6: heavily influenced. And this, this is always my soapbox, is
Speaker 6: that a lot of people will say, well, that's like
Speaker 6: super mainstream. Like let's say DBZ, which is one of
Speaker 6: the biggest anime of all time. Uh, like, oh, that's
Speaker 6: a real enormy one. And it was like, okay, but
Speaker 6: this normy one, which by the way, again was so
Speaker 6: hard to get a hold of. I know that everyone
Speaker 6: now sees it on crunchy roll and it was on
Speaker 6: Funimation and like Tsunami, but like, it used to be
Speaker 6: really hard to get a hold of here in the States.
Speaker 6: But this normy mainstream anime affected so many other anime
Speaker 6: and manga creators and that's what they grew up with.
Speaker 6: So the people that are now our age that are
Speaker 6: creating it, they grew up with those. So yeah, to me,
Speaker 6: it's like, okay, it's mainstream. So it was like so
Speaker 6: is Harley Quinn and Poison.
Speaker 3: I like Superman and Batman. Yeah, you're living in an
Speaker 3: age where those are the most mainstream things ever. And
Speaker 3: I actually love how much more mainstream like DBZ especially
Speaker 3: has become, you know, with like record breaking box office
Speaker 3: for releases. Yeah, it just makes it more accessible. It
Speaker 3: means more people can find these stories.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's just exciting to see because then it's like, Okay,
Speaker 6: well maybe you'll get a subscription to like country roll
Speaker 6: or some cruntry roll. Pay me because now I've said
Speaker 6: your name like three times.
Speaker 3: Crunchy roll and also me a free subscription.
Speaker 6: I've works with Funimation. I don't know if I've done
Speaker 6: stuff with crunchy Roll. Maybe I have. There's a lot
Speaker 6: of changeover. But was I gonna say, oh, yeah, so
Speaker 6: maybe you subscribe to it because of micro academia or whatever.
Speaker 6: But then you're finding because there's a wealth in a
Speaker 6: library in there, so then you're finding smaller ones that
Speaker 6: might be not as quote unquote mainstream, you know, and
Speaker 6: so that that is a good way to get in.
Speaker 6: You know. They say it's like a gateway anime, but
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, well it's a good way to find
Speaker 6: other other lesser known ones.
Speaker 3: I also think as well, like it's a gateway for
Speaker 3: a reason. That's one of the few anime that, like
Speaker 3: you say, you could get a hold of even if
Speaker 3: it was hard to get a hold of. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: Salor Moon, those were that was your right. Salor Moon
Speaker 3: those were your two big available ones, and that's why
Speaker 3: to so many of us, they were such establishing kind
Speaker 3: of spaces and the place that we found that love. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I guess because so Danny perfectly teased this at
Speaker 3: the beginning, it almost sounded like it was planned by
Speaker 3: not telling us who their DC story was about. So
Speaker 3: it's about Harlequin and Poison Ivy, the legends. So I
Speaker 3: would love to know, and what was your origin with them?
Speaker 3: When was the first time you found them and you
Speaker 3: realized that these were characters you cared about, or you
Speaker 3: felt represented by, or you just loved their kind of
Speaker 3: chaotic bisexuality.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I grew up watching Batman, the animated series,
Speaker 6: and so I mean, I feel like we all did.
Speaker 6: But that was just so iconic still like beautiful artwork.
Speaker 6: I feel like you could freeze any element of that show.
Speaker 6: And also segueing in the fact that Kevin Conroy, who
Speaker 6: is the voice of Batman, who was the voice of
Speaker 6: Batman for so many of us growing up, it also
Speaker 6: has a story in this comic.
Speaker 3: It is unbelievable. That is one of the bravest, coolest,
Speaker 3: most wonderful inclusions. And I thought DC did such a
Speaker 3: great job.
Speaker 6: Yes, and so that's all to say. I first met
Speaker 6: them in animated form. That was my first introduction to them,
Speaker 6: and that kind of stayed. I my love of them
Speaker 6: over the years. Also would be in movie form, I
Speaker 6: would say, Uma, I will go to that literally any day.
Speaker 3: So many articles. I love that movie. It's a masterpiece
Speaker 3: and Uma is That has got to be one of
Speaker 3: the best superhero supervillain comics time.
Speaker 6: As a comic book writer, can we say it is
Speaker 6: one of the best adaptations of how a comic book feels. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's campy a f If you've read a comic, especially
Speaker 6: nineties comics, they were so campy. The dialogue is so corny,
Speaker 6: you know, even even going back to Adam West, Batman exactly.
Speaker 3: The one that channels it the most. And I think, yes,
Speaker 3: you can't like Joel Schumacher who made that movie. That's
Speaker 3: he's a gay icon and he made a gay iconic movie.
Speaker 3: And I saw, if you've got a problem with that,
Speaker 3: I can't relate to it because I love Batman and
Speaker 3: Robin We got the nipples.
Speaker 6: You got book.
Speaker 3: You know, and you have honest Watchnega. He's doing an
Speaker 3: incredible job. Like he is being as quippy as any
Speaker 3: Batman super villain should be. The costs designs are perfect. No,
Speaker 3: I feel you.
Speaker 6: It's bright, it's beauty. It's so colorful, and when you
Speaker 6: watch it as a kid, it was like, yeah, this
Speaker 6: is exactly. These are my cartoons coming to life. This
Speaker 6: is the Batman that I know coming to life. This
Speaker 6: is the Poison Ivy, like this is this is my
Speaker 6: comic books coming to life. Also, I got to say
Speaker 6: before I hop off this because I know I'm supposed
Speaker 6: to be talking about HQ and Ivy. But George Clooney,
Speaker 6: to me, I think I tweeted this the best Bruce Wayne.
Speaker 6: He is To me, he's the most charming billionaire, because
Speaker 6: what I the City of Gotham trusts a billionaire, which
Speaker 6: side I But if you're gonna trust anyone and you're
Speaker 6: gonna be like, oh well, he's the bachelor of our times,
Speaker 6: it's George Clooney. He is the most likable.
Speaker 5: To me.
Speaker 6: I also love Keith I mean, I love all the
Speaker 6: Batman but like Keaton is second. But I feel George
Speaker 6: Clooney's best Bruce Wayne philanthropist, like ladies man.
Speaker 3: To me, he's absolutely the most believable ladies man. And
Speaker 3: I also I love him in that movie. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I love this and I'm so happy to find that
Speaker 3: this is another boom.
Speaker 6: Literally I am posting by the time this has come out,
Speaker 6: I have posted a Poison Ivy photoshoot that I did
Speaker 6: h and I used one of her quotes about tending
Speaker 6: and it was like, come join us and come joined
Speaker 6: me in ten tend to my garden. So I'm all
Speaker 6: about it. I love her Poison Ivy.
Speaker 3: In Incredible News, we have been joined by Jason Conceptio
Speaker 3: and my incredible co host, who was summoned by the
Speaker 3: mention of by manm.
Speaker 1: Robbin nipples, nipples.
Speaker 3: Nipples, nipples on the batsuit.
Speaker 1: What a legendary that was.
Speaker 2: I know what a legendary thing that was that they
Speaker 2: had the the nipples on the batsuit.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful. I agree.
Speaker 2: I was just listening in George Clooney is a fantastic
Speaker 2: Bruce Wayne so debonair and charming and brought a level listen.
Speaker 2: Keaton is great, I'll Colma very good, but like he
Speaker 2: brought a different level of like acting, maybe because I
Speaker 2: don't know if he liked what he was doing, but
Speaker 2: he brought like a different energy to it that was
Speaker 2: really debonair and good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I love that, and it's like it's something
Speaker 3: I really liked about Robert Pattinson's Batman was how like
Speaker 3: grimy he was. That to me is like a realism
Speaker 3: Bruce Wayne. It's like he's like a Greebo who lives
Speaker 3: in a train station and can't go outside because he's
Speaker 3: dedicated his life to, you know, avenging his parents and
Speaker 3: making off them a better place. But in the idealistic,
Speaker 3: like comic book world of Batman and Robin, Bruce Wayne
Speaker 3: is charming and you believe that these women want to
Speaker 3: throw themselves at him, and he's arguing with Robin over
Speaker 3: poison ivy like that. It's tonally just perfect and I
Speaker 3: truly I love that movie so much. I've talked about
Speaker 3: it on the podcast. I always say to people just
Speaker 3: go and watch it because you will have fun. So
Speaker 3: I'm glad I have once again been supported love it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you'll have to do a bonus episode, have me
Speaker 6: on to just watch it or like a watch along
Speaker 6: or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll just do our own. It's our director's commentary.
Speaker 3: It's just talking about it. So yeah, You've talked about
Speaker 3: how you came to know these characters and love them,
Speaker 3: So what how did it come about that you were
Speaker 3: going to write them for this Pride issue.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I actually met with DC a couple of
Speaker 6: years ago and told them that I wanted to write
Speaker 6: them or like I said, Diana, who's another woman that's
Speaker 6: very near and dear to my heart. And then I
Speaker 6: just went off and wrote TV for a couple of years,
Speaker 6: mainly during the pandemic that I've been Actually, all the
Speaker 6: last three shows I've written on have been Warner Brothers shows.
Speaker 6: This is a Warner Brothers property. I'm working on a
Speaker 6: Warner feature right now. So I feel like I'm just
Speaker 6: me and Warner Brothers are just you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 6: in the tower up there, so you'll live and live
Speaker 6: up in the tower. And so they hit me up
Speaker 6: for this Pride They wrote my manager and where like,
Speaker 6: we want Danny to write a Harley Quinn Poison Ivy story.
Speaker 6: And I think it helps that I had the background
Speaker 6: I did that I'd been as vocal about loving them. Also,
Speaker 6: I know the guys over at Harley Quinn Animated series.
Speaker 6: I've also worked with Charlie Adler, he directs, and it
Speaker 6: does voices in it. But anyways, that's all to say,
Speaker 6: I've been in this wheelhouse, I've been in this family.
Speaker 6: I've hosted. I was on the Crisis Aftermath panels with
Speaker 6: Kevin Smith on the CW. So I've definitely been in
Speaker 6: the DC Warner Brothers family. But I was just over
Speaker 6: writing TV and so I was very honored that they
Speaker 6: wanted me to write these two huge icons for this.
Speaker 6: And then I had to come up with a story,
Speaker 6: a short story, no less, which is like I'm used
Speaker 6: to at Netflix. I'm writing, you know, like sixty pages
Speaker 6: an hour long drama, and so it's actually very difficult
Speaker 6: to write a short story because it's like you got
Speaker 6: to get in and out, but can't be too quick.
Speaker 6: You can't take too long. You know, you have to
Speaker 6: have it resolved by the end. And I really just
Speaker 6: wanted them to have fun, Like I know that we're
Speaker 6: going to be talking about queer stuff on here, and
Speaker 6: so like that was one of my biggest things is
Speaker 6: I want the ability to have the range where if
Speaker 6: you want to talk about things that are a little heavier,
Speaker 6: or things that are really heavy, or trauma or whatever.
Speaker 6: I am. Anyone that follows me on Twitter knows I
Speaker 6: talk about trauma a lot, but sometimes in my art
Speaker 6: I don't want to. And I just wanted them to
Speaker 6: get to play. And so there is a little bit
Speaker 6: of a discussion of their past selves in this and
Speaker 6: some of the stuff that they some of their deepest fears,
Speaker 6: I will say, But other than that, I really just
Speaker 6: wanted to see what I could do. In fact, when
Speaker 6: they asked me, that was the first thing I said
Speaker 6: was what can I get away with? And Jessica Chen,
Speaker 6: my editor, was like, let's see. So she was very Yeah,
Speaker 6: she's also a queer woman of color, and so it
Speaker 6: was great to work with her and just kind of
Speaker 6: we I would send her stuff and ideas and she
Speaker 6: would get really excited, and I would get really excited
Speaker 6: that she was excited.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: So we have some really beautiful scenes in the comic
Speaker 6: between the two of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Something that I was going to ask you about
Speaker 3: one ges Chen is putting like, if you look at
Speaker 3: the best DC comics coming out right now, gess Chen's
Speaker 3: name is on them. So as soon as you said
Speaker 3: that was young with them, Like that makes sense. So
Speaker 3: you talk about like what you could get away with
Speaker 3: something you build in here is like there are elements
Speaker 3: of like rope bondage and different kinds of knots, so
Speaker 3: that the IVY users on Harley, could you talk about that,
Speaker 3: because it's very cool to see that in DC comic
Speaker 3: and Zoe Thurrogod the artist does such a brilliant job
Speaker 3: of bringing it to life.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we wanted something that was like if you know,
Speaker 6: you know, we kept calling it like the a tip
Speaker 6: of the hat, We're like, and then the tip of
Speaker 6: the hat. And so it was like, if you're into
Speaker 6: BDSM or you would you would very clearly identify the
Speaker 6: type of knots and body did or rap. What I
Speaker 6: will say is she's wrapped in Harley is wrapped in
Speaker 6: vines from Ivy. But if you don't, it just looks
Speaker 6: like she's wrapped up. You know, she's caught in this,
Speaker 6: in this trap. And so that to me is what
Speaker 6: I want it to be. You know, I want if
Speaker 6: you're you're sexually active, you know to but but you know,
Speaker 6: if you're not, and you're giving this to your mom,
Speaker 6: although she might be too, you really don't know. It's fine.
Speaker 6: She wouldn't know, she wouldn't know anything, and so that's
Speaker 6: kind of what I like playing with uh sometimes. There
Speaker 6: was another scene that I had where I wrote Zoe
Speaker 6: if she can do a sweeping kiss like Mortician Gomez,
Speaker 6: which is the end of Adam's Family where they're in
Speaker 6: the doorway and he kind of is bending her over,
Speaker 6: And to me, I just want to say, because I
Speaker 6: have this platform, Gomez, Adams is queer, He's sexually fluid.
Speaker 6: There's no way you you're telling me that man who
Speaker 6: is that like wab and that he's not sexual, that
Speaker 6: man is sexually fluid. I'm gonna go ahead and say
Speaker 6: that they both have easily had thirds and he is
Speaker 6: also a bi icon. So I basically what's fun about
Speaker 6: getting to create art is taking from things that influenced
Speaker 6: you when you were growing up. Of like, this scene
Speaker 6: is so iconic for me. Can we take my characters
Speaker 6: and make this scene?
Speaker 3: MM?
Speaker 1: Apologies if you discussed this before, but.
Speaker 2: Harlivey is one of the most beloved couples, probably in DC,
Speaker 2: maybe in comics in general.
Speaker 3: What was it?
Speaker 1: What was it about them that drew you to this
Speaker 1: idea of doing a story.
Speaker 6: I just love that there's Yeah, I love that they're
Speaker 6: so unapologetically themselves, which is something the comics obviously are doing.
Speaker 6: But also I love seeing on HBO Max with the
Speaker 6: animated series is that they get because that's what they
Speaker 6: would do, and it's so funny. I'll make fun of
Speaker 6: Batman on Twitter, and of course people get mad, and
Speaker 6: I'm like, can't we have some fun at expense of
Speaker 6: the bat Like I'm always like, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: but I'm also like, so are you only going to
Speaker 6: bat for the bat like or are you allowed to
Speaker 6: play as some of the other characters? And so I
Speaker 6: just love that they just don't care, like they just
Speaker 6: they just don't care about pleasing anyone else. And you
Speaker 6: know they're still figuring out their journey. You know that
Speaker 6: they've been written by so many different creators now and
Speaker 6: there's so many It's great that my story can exist
Speaker 6: and another story can exist. There can be so many
Speaker 6: different tellings of them, and my favorite stories are the
Speaker 6: ones where they're figuring out their relationship with each other,
Speaker 6: because I truly don't think anyone else really knows what
Speaker 6: it's like to be them than them, right, So that's
Speaker 6: why they have such a strong bond. And but what
Speaker 6: happens when your lover is your best friend and now
Speaker 6: you lose your best friend when you lose your lover,
Speaker 6: and that was a concern. I know when I got announced,
Speaker 6: I saw several fans that were like, oh, is she
Speaker 6: gonna break them up? Because you know they got broken
Speaker 6: up by another by woman.
Speaker 1: Which I was like, I.
Speaker 6: Was like, yeah, let me have them meet Danny Fernandez. Like, literally, Danny,
Speaker 6: I'll just put myself in the comics. I'm like, I've
Speaker 6: already been animated. I'll just put myself in the.
Speaker 3: Girls animal Man style. You're just like the writer is
Speaker 3: in the book. No, I really love that and like
Speaker 3: something I thought was really cool about this comic which
Speaker 3: is out there now. So I'm gonna say this because
Speaker 3: I'm not telling the story, but it's a it's a
Speaker 3: it's an important point. Something that I really love is
Speaker 3: you have that challenge, you have that sauciness, you have
Speaker 3: that fun but there's this big moment where like love
Speaker 3: is this most powerful thing and saying I love you
Speaker 3: and that's really it's so it feels so warm and
Speaker 3: striking and intone of them. So could you talk a
Speaker 3: little bit about that moment and why it was kind
Speaker 3: of so important.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, I think these are two women who
Speaker 6: rightfully have walls, have so much trauma, and rightfully might
Speaker 6: not full haven't been exposed. I would say to the
Speaker 6: unconditional love, love without conditions, and they get that in
Speaker 6: each other. And I think it's still you know, when
Speaker 6: you've been burned so many times. I think we can
Speaker 6: all probably relate to this. When you have something that
Speaker 6: feels good, you sabotage it or you just question it.
Speaker 6: And so this story is kind of feeding into their
Speaker 6: worst fears about that that I don't deserve. That's another thing.
Speaker 6: I mean, how many times it's hardly her entire life
Speaker 6: heard that she doesn't deserve, that she's not worthy of love,
Speaker 6: you know, of being fully herself. And these are they
Speaker 6: can finally put let their guards down. It's like, but
Speaker 6: are you going to is the other part of that
Speaker 6: now that you finally can? And so I think I
Speaker 6: think their love for each other in that moment just
Speaker 6: kind of like triumphs over their fears. I actually have
Speaker 6: I have like a I'm looking at it right now,
Speaker 6: have a sign that says choose love. But I often
Speaker 6: tell myself choose love over fear. In so much of
Speaker 6: my life, Like I had it as my wallpaper on
Speaker 6: my phone forever, just because it can be really easy
Speaker 6: to resort back to holding myself back or sabotaging or
Speaker 6: you know, trauma based things, which, like I said rightfully,
Speaker 6: but it takes a lot of courage. It's like very
Speaker 6: brave to love to catch feelings. To catch feelings is very.
Speaker 1: Brave what you talk about.
Speaker 2: There, How these two characters have experienced a lot of trauma,
Speaker 2: come from trauma in a lot of ways. Something I
Speaker 2: think about a lot with comic book stories that are
Speaker 2: so rooted in you know, origin stories that are often terrible,
Speaker 2: horrific events, et cetera.
Speaker 1: How do you.
Speaker 2: How do you balance talking about trauma in a way
Speaker 2: that isn't exploitive?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, like how do you how do you?
Speaker 1: How do you?
Speaker 2: How do you walk that line? And is there is
Speaker 2: there do you have like a meter in your head
Speaker 2: that lets you know, here's here's the kind of space
Speaker 2: that I want to work in when I'm talking about
Speaker 2: these kind of subjects through these.
Speaker 6: Characters honestly with them. Well, to answer your question on
Speaker 6: like everything that I've worked on, it really just depends.
Speaker 6: Sometimes I pull in the trauma more just because I
Speaker 6: feel like the story calls for it, and to understand.
Speaker 6: I always say that it it explains someone's actions, it
Speaker 6: doesn't excuse them. I know that we're talking about that
Speaker 6: a lot in the mental health community, and so sometimes
Speaker 6: you need to know the trauma in the back. You
Speaker 6: need to see it to be like, why is this
Speaker 6: person acting this way? With them? Though, if you're a
Speaker 6: DC reader, I feel you're pretty familiar with their trauma
Speaker 6: being murdered.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you've seen it, you.
Speaker 6: Know, and so do you need to see that? I
Speaker 6: think instead I just put snippets of it. Again, it's
Speaker 6: just a short story. But in my in my other creations,
Speaker 6: in my other work, definitely I might dive in a
Speaker 6: little bit more. I just feel like I'm kind of
Speaker 6: moving away more and more. I feel, you know, I
Speaker 6: feel I feel the audience knows. That's That's one way.
Speaker 6: It's like treating the audience as if they've been through this,
Speaker 6: because I can imagine even if you don't relate to
Speaker 6: let's say, sexual trauma, relationship trauma, maybe parent trauma, and
Speaker 6: there's so many other Basically, what I'm saying is that
Speaker 6: I don't always know if we need to see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, But.
Speaker 6: Watch I come out with something and it's just and
Speaker 6: people are gonna bring this up and I'll be like, oops.
Speaker 3: Uh So I was like that kind of ties into
Speaker 3: something I was really interested to ask you about, which
Speaker 3: was like that balancing of like celebration and then like reality.
Speaker 3: You mentioned Kevin Comory has a story in this issue,
Speaker 3: which is this incredibly moving or biographical comic And you
Speaker 3: grew up like we both did, like we all did
Speaker 3: with you know, Batman the animated series. So what's it
Speaker 3: like for your first published comic one to be with DC,
Speaker 3: like just starting at the top, and two to be
Speaker 3: alongside you know, our generation's Batman.
Speaker 6: It's very validating, It's very I have to say, it's
Speaker 6: very validating, like I'm so honored to write them. But
Speaker 6: I also just feel like I have been I mean,
Speaker 6: you know me for a while now, I've been hustling
Speaker 6: Rosy and I DM a lot because I'm always like,
Speaker 6: you know, I've been. I think I I was struggling
Speaker 6: to break into comics, I was struggling to break into TV.
Speaker 6: I've been, you know, despite my years of training that
Speaker 6: I've had both as a writer and an actress. This
Speaker 6: industry is not easy to break into, and even when
Speaker 6: you break in. I was listening to Jensen eccles story
Speaker 6: about getting Soldier Boy, this a different franchise, but it
Speaker 6: was like he had to fight. He had to fight,
Speaker 6: even though he'd worked with Eric, he had to fight
Speaker 6: to get that role. And I remember some of my
Speaker 6: acting friends were like, are you that's just even.
Speaker 3: At that level.
Speaker 6: They were like, that's exhausting. And so to have the
Speaker 6: validation of the years of work that I have put in,
Speaker 6: because I think if you're listening to you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: well this was just handed to her, I was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: there's years. Like I said that I've worked at Warner Brothers.
Speaker 6: There was years that I was working with, like I said,
Speaker 6: with DC and hosting and I having shows at Nerdice,
Speaker 6: talking to female creators like I've been doing the work
Speaker 6: behind this. I sold a show two HBO Max It's
Speaker 6: another Warner Brothers. So I've been behind the scenes writing scripts, submitting, auditioning, pitching,
Speaker 6: pitching again, selling things that you haven't even heard of
Speaker 6: or seen, having those dropped behind the scenes, being dropped
Speaker 6: from things like picking myself up again and again and
Speaker 6: again and again. And so it gets to a point
Speaker 6: though where I love when things can just come in easier,
Speaker 6: like when it can just be like an offer.
Speaker 7: And that's what this was.
Speaker 6: And what that says to me is that I have
Speaker 6: made such a name for myself that they knew who
Speaker 6: I was, they knew my work, they knew the things
Speaker 6: I'd written for and been on that they trusted me.
Speaker 6: So I think it was just validation of all the
Speaker 6: years of hard work that I've put in behind the scenes,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 2: Pride to this year really has me thinking about the
Speaker 2: particular cultural moment we were in where it feels like
Speaker 2: you using the platform of anti transanimous, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: all the rights that have been won in recent years
Speaker 2: seem like everything's under threat. It seems like, you know,
Speaker 2: homophobic language that was once commonplace like in the nineties,
Speaker 2: you know, is now just thrown around like you go
Speaker 2: on the internet now and it's just like everywhere with
Speaker 2: you know, the grooming discourse and this very toxic rhetoric
Speaker 2: aimed at LGBTQAI people. What does it mean to have
Speaker 2: a story in this year's DC Pride issue and what
Speaker 2: is it? What does pride mean in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: because it feels like this is just me speaking for
Speaker 2: me personally. I almost feel like I took it for
Speaker 2: granted a few like if we could go back in time,
Speaker 2: like two years, My inner feelings on a lot of
Speaker 2: this stuff was there bad people out there who hate
Speaker 2: gay people, hate the LGBTQAI community in general.
Speaker 1: But largely, by and large.
Speaker 2: LGBTQAI people won that one and continue to march on.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like that anymore. It feels a lot
Speaker 1: scarier in fact.
Speaker 2: So I was wondering if you could just talk about
Speaker 2: how it feels to have this story this year and
Speaker 2: what does it mean to what does pride mean in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I really think that pride for me in twenty
Speaker 6: twenty two, like being openly queer, and even like wearing
Speaker 6: our flag, our rainbow flag, like feels like is an
Speaker 6: act of bravery. And I know, I was in Greece
Speaker 6: right before the comic dropped, and I was talking to
Speaker 6: a staying at this hotel, and like I was staying
Speaker 6: there for a couple of days, so I'd see the
Speaker 6: manager and they're always like, oh, what what are you
Speaker 6: wearing today because I was getting all dressed up, like
Speaker 6: every time I would go out into the town, I'd
Speaker 6: always get dressed up. And then I came down in
Speaker 6: a rainbow gown which I ended up wearing when I
Speaker 6: did a DC Pride signing, and his face changed and
Speaker 6: it was so I just didn't expect it. It just
Speaker 6: was like oh, and it was business as normal. Instead
Speaker 6: of like, oh, what are you doing? Where are you going?
Speaker 6: Like being really excited, it was just like, oh, nice
Speaker 6: to see you, you know, And I was I'm kind
Speaker 6: of like you where I was like, oh, I thought
Speaker 6: we were past that. I didn't. Also, I was going
Speaker 6: with my girlfriends, so I feel like they were like,
Speaker 6: these two clearly are together, you know, people that know us,
Speaker 6: even people that know because we were in all the
Speaker 6: photos together, they were like, are you all together? I
Speaker 6: had no idea, and so they're just a couple of goals.
Speaker 6: We were friends. But it was just funny that we're traveling,
Speaker 6: we're traveling without men, we're traveling together. You know, we're
Speaker 6: living the high life in Greece. Now I sound like
Speaker 6: uma and uh, And I was so sad, you know,
Speaker 6: I had like built this like, oh you know, like
Speaker 6: talking talking to the locals, and I want to say
Speaker 6: Mikons like that's also where I was, which we I
Speaker 6: remember turning to my friend, I'm like, there's so many
Speaker 6: gay bars here or so like everyone's gay U And
Speaker 6: I was still cut off guard by their reaction. And
Speaker 6: I guess I'm just not. I haven't had to deal
Speaker 6: with that. You know, you think, like, oh, I come
Speaker 6: out with this in Lubbock, you know, yeah, I'm going
Speaker 6: to get some looks. But I'm in Wiho or I'm
Speaker 6: in Mekons, like, I don't expect anyone to treat me differently.
Speaker 6: And yet and yet we are, we are seen, not
Speaker 6: even in La. You know, you can be there's hate
Speaker 6: crimes happening in La. So it was a it was
Speaker 6: a kind of a gut punch, And I agree with you.
Speaker 6: I feel like I've been a little sheltered being in Hollywood.
Speaker 6: Not from comments I would say online, no, but just
Speaker 6: you know, you could you could be like half naked
Speaker 6: and whatever, like on the street. I never no one's
Speaker 6: gonna look twice. But I forget that even where I
Speaker 6: grew up in Texas, it's still a it's still a battle.
Speaker 3: So yeah, how does it feel then to be to
Speaker 3: have this platform to tell this story that is joyful
Speaker 3: and about queer love and about two women who love
Speaker 3: each other and a badass and and be putting that
Speaker 3: out in this space.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it feels it feels like I won,
Speaker 6: I mean, getting paid to write queer stories. But you know,
Speaker 6: I had a tweet that was, like, the gay Agenda
Speaker 6: is just keeping us alive. Like everyone keeps talking about
Speaker 6: the gay Agenda and Disney and the gay Agenda, and
Speaker 6: DC in the Gay Agenda, Marvel, and I'm like, we
Speaker 6: just exist, And like that's what I did with these two.
Speaker 6: They're not fucking talking about like they're just existing as
Speaker 6: a girlfrid They're having a fight that they would have
Speaker 6: any type of defining the relationship type of thing that
Speaker 6: anyone goes through, whether you're queer or not. They're having
Speaker 6: a fight about it, you know, or they're they're you know,
Speaker 6: having some some misconceptions and miscommunication, and so it's it's
Speaker 6: such a it's really difficult because there's a lot of
Speaker 6: talk about not queer baiting, you know, and not having
Speaker 6: just queer characters, but not showing anything behind the scenes,
Speaker 6: not showing them being queer. But then a large part
Speaker 6: of me is like I just want them to exist
Speaker 6: and not be like you know, well, it's the same
Speaker 6: thing I deal with with LATINX stories, where it's like
Speaker 6: I don't want to talk about deportage, you know, I
Speaker 6: just want you to go on a date and not
Speaker 6: talk about your parents like getting deported. And but it's
Speaker 6: hard because I want the storytellers who do want to
Speaker 6: talk about that be.
Speaker 2: Able to you know, yeah, I struggle with that as well,
Speaker 2: in terms of you know, you know, like no one
Speaker 2: wants to to your point, no one wants. Everybody wants
Speaker 2: to just tell a story about people in love going
Speaker 2: about their day, living their life, unafraid to walk around
Speaker 2: and be themselves. And at the same time, man, does
Speaker 2: it feel ever more important sometimes to highlight Hey, this
Speaker 2: is here are the dangers, Here are the bad things
Speaker 2: that happen. Here are the things people go through all
Speaker 2: the time when they are persecuted for loving a person.
Speaker 1: It's just that's why.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that we have you on and we're
Speaker 2: talking about this story in this issue, because it's just,
Speaker 2: you know, again, stuff that felt like I personally took
Speaker 2: it for granted, the progress that had been made over
Speaker 2: the last several years and decades now feels like, man,
Speaker 2: all this stuff can go away. So now we have
Speaker 2: to like hustle backwards talk about stuff that had seemed
Speaker 2: one a few years ago, and even maybe even subjects
Speaker 2: that you know, we felt like we were storytellers had
Speaker 2: moved past, and now it's time to tell those stories again.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm so happy.
Speaker 1: That we have you on Well.
Speaker 6: One thing I do want to say, though, is I
Speaker 6: would just encourage any storytellers that come from a marginalized background,
Speaker 6: obviously if you feel called to that story one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: We need those stories.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 6: I had to start checking myself of why, Like when
Speaker 6: you said it was so important to educate it, so
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, who am I writing this for?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Do my people need to see more trauma? I don't know,
Speaker 6: they know it do, But is that a part of
Speaker 6: that story?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 6: That's why it's such there's no I want whoever's listening.
Speaker 6: There is no correct answer.
Speaker 1: There's no correct answer.
Speaker 6: It's just when you feel like, well I need to
Speaker 6: speak on this because they need to be seeing it,
Speaker 6: who is they?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: But seriously, A lot when we're talking about black and
Speaker 6: brown trauma. When you're talking about that, it's like, do
Speaker 6: they need like, do your own peepeople need to see that?
Speaker 6: And maybe your answer at the time is yes. Maybe
Speaker 6: the answer at your time is no, I actually just
Speaker 6: want to focus on black joy. I just want to
Speaker 6: focus on brown excellence. I just want to focus on
Speaker 6: you know, it's like you should be allowed the range, though,
Speaker 6: I really want to say that, And so I had
Speaker 6: to start checking myself of like why do I feel
Speaker 6: if I'm having an immigration story, who am I teaching
Speaker 6: this to? And why do I feel they need to
Speaker 6: see this?
Speaker 1: Is it for my people?
Speaker 6: They're very aware of this, so who And that's fine.
Speaker 6: But I think it's having that conversation of our responsibilities,
Speaker 6: our platforms, and what you actually want to do. Like
Speaker 6: when I look at how many white group of friends
Speaker 6: just dicking around, like I want to write a story
Speaker 6: about my my dumb ass friends in college dicking around
Speaker 6: simply dicking around, just dicking around, you know, sitting on
Speaker 6: people's faces, dicking their dicks in places, and like know,
Speaker 6: just having fun. There's a lot of drama that comes
Speaker 6: with that. There's a lot of juiciness you know that
Speaker 6: can come with that that isn't necessarily related to hate crimes.
Speaker 6: And so this this is gonna sound like I'm against them,
Speaker 6: I'm not. I sold a show that was about trauma,
Speaker 6: that was about suicide. It was about my life, and
Speaker 6: so I definitely have written about trauma. But I also
Speaker 6: want the luxury of not of not even looking at
Speaker 6: that sometimes. So I'm glad that both can exist, and
Speaker 6: I really want marginalized groups to be able to have
Speaker 6: both exist.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just gonna just because i want to know this,
Speaker 3: this is okay, I'm really glad one, I'm really glad
Speaker 3: that we had you on. But like you know, talking
Speaker 3: about queer Supero is talking about your space, your platform,
Speaker 3: the stories you want to tell. Who is like the
Speaker 3: Supero that you would most like to play?
Speaker 6: Oh gosh, you know, I look the most. I feel
Speaker 6: like Jessica Cruz. So I like, have fans do art
Speaker 6: and they've sent me art. This probably not like I
Speaker 6: don't know how I look now, but there are definitely
Speaker 6: times in photo shoots where like we have the same
Speaker 6: jaw so her I mean also another DC. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: think I'm trying to think of other ones, but she
Speaker 6: is the one that comes to mind the most so,
Speaker 6: and she's also a trauma survivor. Every superhero is a
Speaker 6: trauma survivor.
Speaker 2: Every single there's not every single one. There's not a
Speaker 2: single one that that is not that, which is honestly,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of what I love about the
Speaker 2: genre and fantasy stories and sci fi stories because it's
Speaker 2: a lot about finding power from traumatic events and taking
Speaker 2: ownership of that and repurposing that, you know, under your
Speaker 2: own agency, taking those things that happen to you and
Speaker 2: making them or power. Yeah, it's just a very compelling
Speaker 2: idea that I think we all wish we could do
Speaker 2: as we move through life.
Speaker 3: M hmm, yeah, yeah, I love that. That was very good, Jason.
Speaker 3: So have you watched Miss Marvel yet? Mm hmmm, And
Speaker 3: what are you feeling about it?
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 6: I saw it at the premiere. They showed us to episodes,
Speaker 6: so those are the I think I'm caught up now
Speaker 6: with everybody. Gosh, it is so refreshing, and I love
Speaker 6: the fact that it feels different than any of the
Speaker 6: other properties it. Honestly, the risks that they took and
Speaker 6: incorporating animation and things like that and the editing, which
Speaker 6: I want to shout out to the editors don't always
Speaker 6: get as much love, but like editing, the directing, like
Speaker 6: the writing, all of it, the acting top notch. It
Speaker 6: reminded me kind of of what mar Slash Sony is
Speaker 6: doing over in the Spider Verse with getting to play
Speaker 6: with Miles Morales and like different types of animation and pulling.
Speaker 6: You know, we saw a little bit of that in
Speaker 6: Doctor Strange as well, like when they were going through
Speaker 6: the different universes. But I just love that, like take risks,
Speaker 6: you know, have fun, do something different than what we're seeing.
Speaker 6: And I really feel like they're doing that. They have
Speaker 6: a lot of social commentary, you know that they had
Speaker 6: in the comic that is that has stayed and possibly more,
Speaker 6: you know, they might possibly even have more, And I
Speaker 6: think that's so necessary. I think that's really cool. I
Speaker 6: think it's really cool that Disney is having them do that.
Speaker 1: And I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. We loved it so much. And
Speaker 3: I love those aspects, like the way they build comics
Speaker 3: are and cartooning and all that kind of stuff into
Speaker 3: the production design is so inventive and fun. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I actually wrote a piece recently where I was like,
Speaker 3: she's definitely the MCU's first like for fledged cartoonist. But
Speaker 3: I had to shout out Miles because that was the
Speaker 3: experimental space that made a young superhero an artist. And
Speaker 3: you know that's so key, and I love that because
Speaker 3: in the comics they're friends, so I imagine that if
Speaker 3: they ever meet in the MCU, they'll be like making
Speaker 3: a jam comic together or something like doing a mural.
Speaker 6: So cute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and our other big show that we're talking about
Speaker 3: a lot is Obi Wan And I know you are
Speaker 3: a Star Wars lover, so yeah, you have you been
Speaker 3: watching Obi one?
Speaker 6: Yes, our friend Christina Aril is in it.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I really should keet that one on the
Speaker 3: DLO as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's an Nda Nda. Yeah, so she's in it.
Speaker 6: Moses is obviously amazing, And yeah, I'm really excited for
Speaker 6: this next chapter in Star Wars. I'm super excited for
Speaker 6: Andorra as well. And just like I was on at celebration,
Speaker 6: I was on a panel about Latino in Space and
Speaker 6: I'm just like, we are taking over excited about Rosario
Speaker 6: as leads. So yeah, but I uh, same thing. I'm
Speaker 6: I'm I'm I'm curious to see what else they have
Speaker 6: up there up their sleeve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's very exciting time if you love this stuff.
Speaker 3: Tiring time, it's a lot of TV old time, but
Speaker 3: he's really exciting. Danny, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 3: on Extra Vision and talking to us about all this
Speaker 3: amazing stuff.
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was such a joy. And where can people
Speaker 3: find you? And what do you have to plug? Just
Speaker 3: tell us everything.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm at miss Danny Fernandez. It's ms d A
Speaker 6: n I F E R n A N D E
Speaker 6: Z and pick up DC Pride twenty twenty two, got
Speaker 6: my girls in it. So also our friend Stephanie Williams,
Speaker 6: she did Nubia, Yes, and she has a new new
Speaker 6: bea comic out. But you get to see them wrestling.
Speaker 1: So hella hella. Yeah.
Speaker 6: She was also like, what can I do? I bet? Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, we just we're just we're just pushing our
Speaker 6: hot girl agenda. That's all. That's the agenda.
Speaker 1: So Danny, thank you so much for joining us. Thank
Speaker 1: you up next nerd Out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in today's nerd Out, where you tell us what
Speaker 2: you love and why, Micah pitches us on Pixar's Toy
Speaker 2: Story franchise to mark the release of the latest film
Speaker 2: in that franchise, Light Year Out.
Speaker 7: Now my name is Micah and my nerd out isn't
Speaker 7: exactly an obscure property, nor is it especially new, but
Speaker 7: it's something that I just redove into and it really
Speaker 7: blew my mind. This time around, I'd encourage everyone to
Speaker 7: give it a second or third, or hell, maybe even fifteenth. Look,
Speaker 7: I'm talking about one of the greatest movie franchises ever made.
Speaker 7: Toy Story. The first movie deals with external threats as
Speaker 7: what he tries fending off his perceived enemy in Buzz.
Speaker 7: At the start, what he is Andy's favorite, and there's
Speaker 7: zero competition in that regard. As such, Woody has never
Speaker 7: had to undergo any meaningful introspection since he has yet
Speaker 7: to face any significant hurdles or setbacks. Buzz's arrival up
Speaker 7: ends what he's position and reacts the way many of
Speaker 7: us respond to external threats with pouting, jealousy, and rage.
Speaker 7: When he kind of inadvertently knocks Buzz out the window,
Speaker 7: his immediate concern isn't for the harmful act he just committed. Rather,
Speaker 7: it's for himself, and now he'll be perceived by the
Speaker 7: rest of Andy's toys. However, by the film's final scene,
Speaker 7: the gang anxiously awaits to hear what new toys Andy
Speaker 7: has received for Christmas, But now it's Woody who was
Speaker 7: seen casually lounging while Buzz is visibly anxious what he's
Speaker 7: grown comfortable in his standing, still prideful of being one
Speaker 7: of Andy's favorites, but no longer needing to be the
Speaker 7: unquestioned alpha. The second movie moves the crisis inward as
Speaker 7: what he has to decide whether he wants to abandon
Speaker 7: his friends to be preserved for all posterity in the museum,
Speaker 7: or stay with them as Andy grows, even with the
Speaker 7: knowledge their time together will ultimately end. The manipulative Stinky
Speaker 7: Pete tells him, do you really think Andy is going
Speaker 7: to take you to college or on his honeymoon? Andy's
Speaker 7: growing up and there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 7: It's your choice, Woody. You can go back, or you
Speaker 7: can stay with us and last forever. Earlier in the film,
Speaker 7: he's confronted with his own mortality and then actual aging process,
Speaker 7: as an accidental rip of Woody's arm led him to
Speaker 7: fear that he is damaged beyond repair. Additionally, in this film,
Speaker 7: he learns he has no ordinary toy, but actually the
Speaker 7: legendary leader of the famed Roundup Gang, and if he
Speaker 7: chooses to embrace this side of himself, he will indeed
Speaker 7: live forever emblazoned as an icon for generations of children
Speaker 7: to gaze at, albeit from behind glass. The third movie
Speaker 7: deals to difficulties of aging and the inevitable change that
Speaker 7: comes with that. For most of the Toy Story experience,
Speaker 7: Woody is our proxy and our guide, our entry into
Speaker 7: this mysterious and magical little world. But the end of
Speaker 7: the film, we are all Andy. Whether you grew up
Speaker 7: with the toy story films or they mostly predate you,
Speaker 7: or you came to them later in life as an
Speaker 7: already grown adult, we all recognize the confusing confluence of
Speaker 7: emotions Andy feels as he prepares for a new chapter
Speaker 7: in his life. Andy's ready for the next step, as
Speaker 7: evidenced by his gifting of his toys to Bonnie, except
Speaker 7: he's not entirely ready. There's one toy he is not
Speaker 7: ready to part ways with, his beloved share of Cowboy Doll.
Speaker 7: When Bonnie reaches toward Woody, Andy instinctively withdraws his hand
Speaker 7: as if to say no, not that I'm not ready
Speaker 7: to leave that part of me behind, but ultimately, of course,
Speaker 7: he realizes he is ready. And arguably my favorite ever
Speaker 7: cinematic shot, we see Woody centered in the frame as
Speaker 7: Andy holds him by one arm while passing him to Bonnie,
Speaker 7: who grasps his other arm. Andy has learned to move on,
Speaker 7: and Woody and the gang have accepted, no embraced their
Speaker 7: new beginning as well. Andy's final gasp as he waves
Speaker 7: goodbye reminds us that new adventures will not always be easy,
Speaker 7: but he will indeed be okay, and so will we.
Speaker 7: And finally, the fourth film, the one that yields most
Speaker 7: wildly varying opinions, the one that I've grown to truly love,
Speaker 7: examines what we do once to be achieved everything we
Speaker 7: set out to achieve, How do we continually find purpose
Speaker 7: in this world? Or past our prime? And has met
Speaker 7: our goals? Towards the end of this film, after saving
Speaker 7: Gabby Gabby and gifting or his voicebox what he prepares
Speaker 7: to part ways with bo Peepe. He goes to be
Speaker 7: joined Buzz, who, upon seeing the hesitation of what He's
Speaker 7: face delivers arguably his most poignant line of the entire series.
Speaker 7: Shall be okay, Bonnie will be okay in saying this,
Speaker 7: Buzz on us Boody to truly break free from the
Speaker 7: hold the past has on him, to enable him to
Speaker 7: journey onwards. His long years spanning journey towards self actualization
Speaker 7: is complete. It's some deeply philosophical stuff. There isn't light
Speaker 7: Year film on the horizon. But before you soar into
Speaker 7: the cosmos with Buzz, i'd recommend taking a look back
Speaker 7: to the franchise that kick the whole picks our universe
Speaker 7: off and see it take some pieces of plastic to
Speaker 7: explore our humanity to our fullest extent, to infinity and beyond.
Speaker 2: Thanks Michael for submitting. If you want to be featured,
Speaker 2: send your nerd out pitch to x rayac Cricket dot com.
Speaker 2: Instructions in the show notes, Big thanks to Danny Fernandez,
Speaker 2: and of course big thanks to Rosie Knight for hosting
Speaker 2: this episode with me. Rosie Plugs, Plugs, plugs, what do
Speaker 2: you have to plug?
Speaker 3: You can still unbelievably excitingly, you can still pre order
Speaker 3: my Godzilla comic and when this episode comes out, there
Speaker 3: will be an exclusive preview of that Godzilla comic on
Speaker 3: nerdest dot com where you can see some of Oliver
Speaker 3: Ono's amazing art. And you can find me at Rosie Marx.
Speaker 3: That's my Instagram and my letterboxed and then you can
Speaker 3: find me here talking about all this good stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, folks, you want to check out our videos on
Speaker 2: the Uncultured YouTube channel, You got to do it. Check
Speaker 2: the show notes for the listener's guide to X ray Vision,
Speaker 2: where we provide more details and all the things that
Speaker 2: we talk about in the show.
Speaker 1: Catch the next episode on June twenty fourth, when we
Speaker 1: will continue to dive into the feast of content with
Speaker 1: Workodobie and Miss Marble. See you next time.
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