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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: This podcast contained spoilers for episode five, Oh We Want Kenobe,

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Speaker 2: plus spoilers of episode two of Miss Marvel.

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Speaker 1: You have been warned. Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jason Cooncepsio, and welcome to x ray

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Speaker 2: Vision The Crooked podcast where we divey been to your

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Speaker 2: favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Today's episode, I'm

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Speaker 2: previously on Across the Spider Verse Villain, the sequel to

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Speaker 2: the hit movie Into the Spider Verse has been announced.

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Speaker 2: Joker two is now potentially a musical. What in the Airlock?

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Speaker 2: Miss Marvel Episode two? And Obi Want Kenobe? Episode five discussion.

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Speaker 2: In the Hive Mind, we're celebrating Pride with writer and

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Speaker 2: actor Danny Fernandez, and in our nerd out segment where

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Speaker 2: you tell us what you love and why, Micah tells

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Speaker 2: us about the Toy Story franchise to mark the release

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Speaker 2: of Pixar's Light Year out today now.

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Speaker 1: Of course, as always.

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Speaker 2: the things that we talk about.

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Speaker 1: And now to help me talk about the.

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Speaker 2: Stuff is the great, the wonderful, the charming, the super

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Speaker 2: brilliant walking comics Encyclopedia, Godzilla writing, Rosie night.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm good, it's good to be here. It's nice

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Speaker 3: to see you. Yeah, that's good stuff. Loads of things

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Speaker 3: going on in the world, things going on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for one.

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Speaker 2: I want to shout out my I want to shout

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Speaker 2: out producers Christ saul One for for struggling through COVID

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Speaker 2: And then I want to and then thanks to everybody

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Speaker 2: on this on this zoom right now, Rosie, Chris Vassili's

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Speaker 2: delon for for making the time so that we could

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Speaker 2: do this pod. As I am currently on the road

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Speaker 2: in New Mexico where we're shooting the sitcom that is

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Speaker 2: Chay Serrano's story of his life, and we're really excited

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Speaker 2: Thanks everybody on the zoom for for putting up with that.

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Speaker 1: Rosie. How are you? What are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I am good, I'm I'm good, I'm surviving, I'm coping,

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Speaker 3: I'm This is a really excited, exciting episode. We wanted

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Speaker 2: It's been really it's amazing to watch something that you

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Speaker 1: That's really amazing.

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Speaker 2: It is like truly in the most sincere way possible.

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Speaker 1: How cool?

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Speaker 2: Is like, that's cool, that's amazing. Who would have ever

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Speaker 1: And sit there and be like can you believe doing this?

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Speaker 2: And then like you know, Shay of course is along

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Speaker 1: And so you know, all day.

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Speaker 2: here are the enchiladas for the cookout scene.

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Speaker 1: Do these look good? Uh? Do you want this? More

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Speaker 1: No, let's get into the previous.

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Speaker 2: The Into the Spider Verse sequel is coming. It is

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Speaker 2: Who apparently will be voiced by Jason Schwartzman. The tweet reads.

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Speaker 2: Across the Spider Verse, exclusively in movie theaters June second,

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Speaker 1: Who listen. I'll just say it.

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Speaker 2: The Spot gets his ass kicked all the time. But

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Speaker 3: Look, if you have yeah, if you have recently googled

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Speaker 3: the Spot, which you may have done, yeah, you may

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Speaker 3: this is such a cool choice. The Spot is like

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Speaker 3: It looks real name Jonathan on spelt very funnily, and

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Speaker 3: I have to say, I think this is so clever

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Speaker 3: just think this is so cool, and it speaks so

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Speaker 1: It's really it's a really fun one.

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Speaker 2: And I love that pull because so in the comics,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like the Doctor.

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Speaker 1: I firmly agree.

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Speaker 2: Now in the the Spot, uh wielded these incredibly almost

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's connected to the Kingpin, which I'm sure

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Speaker 2: I'm super excited about that. I love the Spot. The

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Speaker 3: Okay, So do you think this means that we will

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Speaker 1: I yes, but not named the Legion of Losers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I believe the official name is like Spider Man

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Speaker 3: interesting to see what villains come into play with that.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to say, also, man the Spider

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Speaker 3: Too honorable? They know what they want to make it an.

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Speaker 1: Equal fine, Next up, Joker Too.

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Speaker 2: If you tell me the Joker and Harley Quinn in

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if it's going to be good.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's gonna be bad, but I'm interested.

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Speaker 3: This is my I need to start the Joker to

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Speaker 1: Sorry, is it a Joker or a Joker? Joker jo?

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Speaker 1: I apologize to my to my Joker stands out there joking.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't really for me. And when I heard this news,

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Speaker 3: I thought I was going to die. And I saw

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Speaker 3: a tweet by at Sage Heydn and this tweet sums

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Speaker 3: up absolutely to me. Joker Too as a musical is

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Speaker 3: literally the most chaotic decision any movie studio has ever made.

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Speaker 3: Everyone that was excited for a sequel is mad. Everyone

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Speaker 3: You love to see it.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I absolutely agree, absolutely absolutely, I encourage the chaos.

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Speaker 2: with her loved ones all concerned looking down on her.

437
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: And what is this vision that just happened? Do you

438
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: have any thoughts on what it is? Rosie so yes, I.

439
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: Believe they talk in this moment of how Manieba's mom

440
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: so Kamala's grandma Sona, which is obviously I believe is yeah,

441
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 3: so it's a it's probably a hint to Sonna AMNet,

442
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 3: who created was a co creator of this marvel. She

443
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: got lost and separated from her family, and she was

444
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: able to find her way back, according to her, as

445
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: a child on a rail of stars. And nobody knows

446
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: what happened to Aisha, and it all seems very mythical.

447
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: I fully believe that what happened is Kamala's great grandmar

448
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 3: fell in love with a Cree, had a baby with

449
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: a Cree who is Sanna, and I believe that there

450
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: is a legacy of Cree DNA or blood that runs

451
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: in Kamala's family that allows her to use these powers that,

452
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 3: as Kevin Fagy has said, would put her more in

453
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 3: line with the Marvels who will be her team, and

454
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: it would make her. I love how close it would

455
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: make her to Carol. Now. I also think there's a

456
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: different version where it's not necessarily a genetic power, but

457
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 3: it was more like that Aisha was the first person

458
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: to be chosen to wield the bangle, and then from

459
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 3: there that was able to be passed on through her family.

460
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 3: But I think that this is essentially a nod to

461
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: the Cree or some kind of alien intervention which is

462
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: going to explain Kamala's powers.

463
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: The next morning, we discover that Kamala's parents got together

464
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 2: in part because of a shared love of the music

465
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: of bon Jovi. And then Kamala asks about Aisha again,

466
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: and Maniebla again just like shuts her down. We're not

467
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: talking about this. The family then goes to the mosque

468
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: to celebrate aid. Nakia is making the rounds as she

469
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: is now running for the board of election of the mosque,

470
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: you know, leadership of the mosque. This puts her into

471
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: direct competition with one of Kamala's dad's friends, which is

472
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: a little touchy. Kamala then volunteers to talk to them

473
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: illuminant I can't even say it, illuminanties in her words,

474
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: to try and get some more information on her great grandmother. Meanwhile,

475
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: Zoe has been brought in by the Department of Damage

476
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: Control as they are seeking more information on who this

477
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: person that displayed the powers at Avengers Con is. And

478
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: here we get as as Agent Deaver starts to kind

479
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: of like run through who the suspect might be, we

480
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: eventually land on South Asian.

481
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: Muslim person, to which agent Cleary.

482
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: Notes that, Okay, well, we have to be careful because

483
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: we already know that the FBI has these communities under surveillance.

484
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: Here again is a moment that I found so refreshing

485
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, we're just going to go there. I

486
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: love that they went there. I love that they're referencing

487
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: the fact that in the post nine to eleven world,

488
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: the FBI in a number of cases that I think

489
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: fair minded people if you look at them, are were

490
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: basically entrapment schemes by the FBI, which the FBI number

491
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: one had various informants at mosques, you know, often going

492
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 2: in with these kind of strong arm techniques like well,

493
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: if you have nothing to hide, you'll let us do this.

494
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: And you know we live, you know, we've been attacked,

495
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: and so if if you don't let us listen in

496
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: on your on your on your worshippers and investigate them,

497
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: then we're going to believe that you have something to hide.

498
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: And also the FBI going forward and entrapping people into

499
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: plots that they would not have been involved with otherwise.

500
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: And here is a clear reference to that very.

501
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: Real world event. And I was just in shock that

502
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: they referenced this.

503
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: I thought this was really, really, really well done, and

504
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: I think that something I'm very interested to see is

505
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: where the Department of Damage Control will go, because this

506
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: is very different to the Dwayne McDuffie Department of Damage Control.

507
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: They were not cops, they were not a government agency,

508
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: which fits into the world of the MCU. But I

509
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: would love to see with that critique that was put

510
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 3: into the show, I would love to see a version

511
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: that's more like that we clean we're tired, we clean

512
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: up after the superheroes kind of situation. But another moment

513
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: I thought was really powerful here was they did a

514
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: really good job in the comics Zoe the mean girl,

515
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: that is a she is on a journey of growth

516
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: and will become a larger part of the comic and

517
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: largely likely the show. But I thought they did a

518
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: really good job and that actor in particular of realizing

519
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: when she directed them to that community, she looked horrified

520
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: and you can just see that that's a that's a

521
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: moment where I'm I'm pretty sure we'll see her go

522
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: and try and wrecked by that. But that whole scene was, Yeah,

523
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: they they lure you in with some warm moments, and

524
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: then they just they just say it how it is.

525
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: Really, I mean, this show is is just really really

526
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: really well done. First of all, like the most easily

527
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: the most visually creative Marvel show on Disney.

528
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: Truly, you can say there's nothing like it. It's there's

529
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: nothing like it.

530
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: There's nothing like it.

531
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: Every scene has a moment that just pops, whether it's

532
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: the comics inspired like almost drawn on effects and lettering

533
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: that appears like on surfaces or on the roadway or

534
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: on the wall or at or the scene from episode

535
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: one in which Kamala like flops down like on the

536
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: divan and the camera flips over lafully like one eighty

537
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: like vertically so that it's looking at her now upside down.

538
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: All these little visual things make this show so fun

539
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: to watch. And then they hit you with.

540
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: This really big hearted.

541
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: Depiction of Pakistani American family, child of immigrants that does

542
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: not pull its punches on any of the issues that

543
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: intersect with that community.

544
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: Really great shit, This is a good episode.

545
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: It's the good stuff. Yeah, that's the really stuff.

546
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 2: Back at Eid, the Aunties reiterates Kamala that Aisher her

547
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: great grandmother in some way that is not laid out,

548
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: brought shame to the family. Some say she was a snake,

549
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: she was putting curses on people, She had an affair,

550
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: she ran on and she killed somebody during the partition.

551
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: Nobody's really sure, but whatever it was, it was bad.

552
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: As this is going on, a kid who climbed up

553
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: the mosque tower falls and now has to be rescued.

554
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: Who will do the rescuing? Guess who?

555
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: Kamala Khan suits up. She gets her first big superhero moment.

556
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 2: She successfully creates her little hard light steps that allow

557
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: her to step out over like high over the street

558
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: and reach up and grab this kid and save him.

559
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: She creates a little hard light platform for him to

560
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: fall on. Then she takes a little too early of

561
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: a victory lap and the kid ends up falling many

562
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: many stories towards the ground, hurtling towards the ground. Quick

563
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: thinking Kamala manages to make various platforms to kind of

564
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: break his fall, but he does fall reasonably hard, breaks

565
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: his ankle, and.

566
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: Then Kamala flees away.

567
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: As she's fleeing, damage Control springs its trap using drones,

568
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: which I was very surprised to see, Like this is

569
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: like mysterio tech.

570
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 5: Is this what's happening on like steels very stark, which, yeah,

571
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 5: we know that we need to be.

572
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 3: Laying the groundwork for armores. So the idea of people

573
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 3: having stark tech that someone like Roady would not agree

574
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 3: with them using in certain ways I feel like profiling

575
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: and you know, illegally watching marginalized communities of color. Roady

576
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't be down with that. So this could definitely

577
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: be a kind of early nod to where the technology

578
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 3: has gone since Tony died.

579
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: Kamala takes out the drones.

580
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: She's running away, but she she's getting blocked in by

581
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: damage control.

582
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: They're waiting for her at the end of this alley.

583
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: She creates her heart light, steps, steps up over them,

584
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: jumps down on the other side into the street. And

585
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: who should pull up but Camraan in a Porsche. This

586
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: kid drives a Porsche. He says it's not his, it's

587
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 2: his uncles. But still a kid driving a Porsche, which

588
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: should have been a red flag earlier, and now here's

589
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: a bigger red flag. Kamala gets in the car, car

590
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: pulls away. In the back seat, there's a mysterious woman

591
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 2: and it's the woman from the vision and she says, Kamala,

592
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: I've been waiting a very long time to meet you,

593
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: and Camraon is like, that's my mom. Is this Aisha

594
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: Kamala's great grandmother.

595
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: Tune in next week to find out. Bob, Bob, Bob.

596
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: I love this episode of the Central Mystery. So good

597
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: is so good? I love that.

598
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: I love the appearance of Camraan what it means for

599
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: for the Bruno friendship slash potential romantic relationship because I

600
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: love a love triangle that makes it really juicy. And

601
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: then the fact that man, this woman that Kamala has

602
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 2: been having visions of is his mother. Okay, who are

603
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: these people? Let's let's quickly fear Okay, who are these people?

604
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: I think that I think Ayisha is her grandma, but

605
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: she's looking great grandma, but she's looking very young. So

606
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: we can assume some kind of power situation. We have

607
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: already suggested that camp may have powers. I have to

608
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: say so, I think that him and Kamala are going

609
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: to end up being related. And I think it's just

610
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: they used a very mean tactic, which was knowing that

611
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: he was handsome to kind of lull her in because

612
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: earlier on in the episode, they go on a kind

613
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: of half date where they meet in a diner and

614
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 3: it feels like something's there, and then they have to

615
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: cover up by saying that he is their cousin. So

616
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: I feel like it all ties into this idea that

617
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: this is basically going to be We're going to find

618
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: out that there is a side of Kamala's family that

619
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: has powers, and I believe that actually would make a

620
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: lot of sense because in the comics her brother actually

621
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: gets powers as well at one point via an inhuman

622
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: style situation which we know is not going to hear,

623
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: which we do is not going to happen here, So

624
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: it would make sense if this was a legacy power

625
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: that could maybe be connected to by more than one

626
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: family member once they accept it. I'm very this show

627
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: has been so wonderfully balanced so far for me, between

628
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: the action and the family and the lived experience, and

629
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 3: I love how they touch on these like deeper, more

630
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: important topics while still giving Kamala this overly stylized teen

631
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: movie life. Are we very interested to see how in

632
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: the third episode you continue that balance while starting to

633
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: expand on this central mystery of the band and her

634
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 3: family and what it all means and who has the

635
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 3: other band? Because we can assume that there's going to

636
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: be two.

637
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: There's got to be too. They can everyone. There's got

638
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: to be too.

639
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: There's got to be too.

640
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 2: I'm really loving this. I'm really loving the show. Can't

641
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: wait to see the next episode updxed We Want Kenobi

642
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: Part five, written by Joby Harold and Andrew Statten and

643
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 2: directed by Deborah Chow. We open a Corossant to Jedi

644
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: Temple flashback to before the fall of the Jedi O

645
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: We Want Kenobi. Uh finds his padawan, Anakin Skywalker, on

646
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: a balcony. He's looking out over the skyline of Corossant

647
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: and he says, I was beginning to think you weren't coming, Master,

648
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: And I love the pause before saying Master says so

649
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: much because in that pause is the growing wilfulness and

650
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: loaded term for Star Wars but rebelliousness of Anakin Skywalker,

651
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: who is already thinking is this guy really worthy of

652
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: being my Master?

653
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm better than him.

654
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: I also think it's like this really good. I have

655
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 3: to say this. This is a this is a really

656
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: fun episode. But these flashbacks which we had, by the way,

657
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 3: we're right. We knew that was going to be flashbacks.

658
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 3: He said that was going to be flash I think

659
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 3: there's so much powerful storytelling done in those moments, and

660
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: they do a really great job of building out on

661
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: that Anakin obi Wan relationship. And something I love about

662
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: it is it's a mixture. I totally agree with you

663
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: that it's this like wilfulness and this kind of like

664
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: he's already questioning, But I also think it's this like

665
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: really deep closeness. This is his friend, this is like

666
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: his brother. So it's kind of that it's the two

667
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: sides of Anakin, like you wouldn't like they've been so

668
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: close and together for so long. Is it weird to

669
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: call him master? So I think there's all these layers

670
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 3: to it that they do in such a good way,

671
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: because those are the two sides of Anakin that, especially

672
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: in this episode in this series, are defining him, which

673
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: is this closeness that he had to obi Wan, but

674
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 3: the way obi Wan failed him and how the path

675
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: of the Dark Side tore them apart. I just I

676
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 3: and also have to say, I think they used a

677
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 3: very perfect amount of deaging because.

678
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: Just look, it was just the right amount.

679
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: It look, Hayden looked a little bit older. But I

680
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: was okay with it. Guys, it looks good. I I was,

681
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: It looked exactly the same. I just I feel like

682
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: we were all waiting for these kind of this reunion

683
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: of this era for them, and so I love to

684
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: see it. I love to see it.

685
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: I love to see it too. Uh.

686
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: They the pair ignite their lightsabers and they are about

687
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: to launch into a duel. We flash forward too years later.

688
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 2: Darth Vader is on his flagship. He is staring out

689
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: now into the vastness of space, much like he once

690
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: was years ago, looking out over the skyline of courseant

691
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: and it's clear from the way that cut happens that

692
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: Darth slash Anakin is remembering these.

693
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: This is his life.

694
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: As as he grows closer towards how they Obi wan

695
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: Kenobi in his clutches, he's thinking about these moments that

696
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: they shared together in the past.

697
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: Reva comes before him and she is fucking pumped up.

698
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: She's stoked, Lord Vader.

699
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, it is such a fucking honor

700
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: to be on your flagship. It's it smells great. What

701
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: is that for, breeze? It smells great in here.

702
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: I love it. I love what you did with the

703
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: plays where you auste. You're looking great, You're looking great.

704
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: Things on this is awesome.

705
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: And by the way, that tracker thing, when I tell

706
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: you it worked, it fucking worked. Obi Lan Toler on

707
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: route to Jabim and Vader's like, great work, Neil. He

708
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: awards her the thing that she has been aiming for

709
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: all these years. We think, put a pin in that

710
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: we'll come back to it a little later. It is

711
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: the position of Grand Inquisitor.

712
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: Huge day for Reva. He gives it a little.

713
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: Pin that signifies you are now the Grand Inquisitor and stop, folks, Jabam.

714
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: On Jabam, Rocan's cruiser arrives. Several dozen refugees are there

715
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 2: waiting in the hangar bay, including children and families, and

716
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: they all meet the ship. Roken comes out to just

717
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: say we got her, we saved her. Absolutely zero mention

718
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: of our good friend Wade. Sorry it died at the battle.

719
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: Can't even can't even get it.

720
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: By the way, we lost Wade all Pete Wade, I love.

721
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 3: Comsolutely, just continuing the tradition of like just absolute dozen

722
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: matt deaths in Star Wars. There's like collateral damage of

723
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: the rebellion. Sorry, babe, you can't learn. No one's gonna

724
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 3: think about.

725
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: Someone, can one person? Shit a single fucking tear for Wade.

726
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: Cried about Wade last week and that was it.

727
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: Now it's like everyone's moved on anyway.

728
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: We we we really knew him. Wait, but we remember you.

729
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: Obi finds Hadja amongst the refugees and he says, I

730
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: had nowhere else to go, and also, I'm a wanted man.

731
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: The Empires is looking.

732
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 2: For me now. But you know I'm here on Jabim.

733
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: I'm on the path and you know what I see.

734
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: I see credit signs. I see a juicy business opportunity

735
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: along with an opportunity to help people.

736
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: So that's what Haja is up to.

737
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 2: Obie talks to Rocan about, Hey, I got to get

738
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: back to alder On because there's we got Leya now,

739
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: and there's this whole other thing that I have to do.

740
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: But Rokin says, okay, first things first, all these folks,

741
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: all these refugees here, they need to get out of here.

742
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: They've been waiting for months for a safe window to

743
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: leave in and they had to delay that because you know,

744
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: we needed to go get Princess Leah, and I acknowledge

745
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: that that was very, very important, But now the window

746
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: is fast closing and we got to get them out

747
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: of here. Obie looks around, he looks at all the

748
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: beleaguered faces, all the family members that are, you know,

749
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: hanging by the edge of their courage, and Obi's like,

750
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna help them, We're gonna do it, but Vader

751
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: is fast approaching. He orders Reva to use Lola to

752
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: hack the security system on Jabeam and lock down the

753
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: stronghold that the refugees are in.

754
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: Lola goes to work.

755
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Obi notices some graffiti on the wall there in

756
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: the in the Path complex and it says the light

757
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: will fade but has never forgotten. There's some other stuff

758
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: on there that you notice that is confirmation of various

759
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: Legends things.

760
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: What did you find, Rosie Knight.

761
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: Yes, there is some Legends characters in Aura. Besh Dan

762
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: Casey Atnetics actually has found like way more so. They

763
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: have a really good Easter Eggs breakdown. But there's like

764
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 3: Corwyn Shalby who's an NBC from Star Wars MPG that

765
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 3: became part of Legends. Jedi trained after the page Drake

766
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: Logan or Logane from an old Star Wars webcomic that

767
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: was released around the time of the Clone Wars, who

768
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: was a Jedi padawan. And then there's a Tiberis which

769
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 3: is probably made like Tiberus, and Lock, which is maybe Tiberus,

770
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: who was from the Star Wars Galaxies game. So they're

771
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: really building in. It's it's interesting. It's like they're building

772
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: this stuff in and saying, hey, this is canon, but

773
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: how much will they bring it? Because like, I know

774
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: a lot of people were really hoping to see Quinlan

775
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: here in the path, you know, and it's not something

776
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: that we've seen. So it's it's it's still really exciting though,

777
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: and the Ara Besh is really fun because like everyone

778
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: is getting together after watching the episodes and like teaming

779
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 3: up to like source code like Ara Besh translations.

780
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: Right near this graffiti OBCs a cache of of Jedi stuff.

781
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: There's no better way to say it. There's a small

782
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: crate there that has various lightsabers in it. Nearby, he

783
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: finds some Jedi ro ubes or as obi Wan would

784
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: call them, my disguise when I'm trying to pretend not

785
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 2: to be a Jedi.

786
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: Now I've found all this I found all.

787
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: This stuff interesting because how do we think, what do

788
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: we think happened here? Did Jedis who were on the

789
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: run come to Jubim as a stop on the path

790
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: and say, okay, I have to get rid of all

791
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: my Jedi shit because this marks me as a target.

792
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm giving I'm leaving it all here.

793
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: Or did their loved ones take it there and deposit

794
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: it there after their loved ones were killed in the

795
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: purge or some other way. I'm a little bit I

796
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: want to know more about how this stuff got here.

797
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. I think that's a really good point.

798
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: I think it's going to inspire probably a lot of

799
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: fan fiction. I would love to know more about it

800
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: in a canon sense. My gut feeling says it was

801
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 3: Jedi who died either at the path helping people get there,

802
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 3: it was Oh so let's be real. This is one

803
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: of those funny things about Stuf hours that we kind

804
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 3: of talk about how successful was Order sixty six nor

805
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: very successful or is just hanging about there's just like lightsabers,

806
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: like part of me is like some kids probably like

807
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: found one and bought it because like you know, we

808
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: ended up in the new trilogy with like one of

809
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: the most important Lightsabers in the world was just in

810
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: the basement of like a tavern. You know, it was

811
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 3: in the right place. In the end, the Force does

812
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: what it does, you know. But like, I think that

813
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: it's a it's likely. I think it's meant to be

814
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 3: an evocative thing of like are they from dead Jedi.

815
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: I also like the idea of like Jedis who chose

816
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: to give up the way, because like there's always been

817
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: this notion of of Jedis who exist on both the

818
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 3: light side and the dark and who can use both.

819
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: And I feel like they may have been the ones

820
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 3: who would maybe lose hope in the Force, but they

821
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 3: want to leave something for the people who come next.

822
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: So I thought it was very interesting. That was very interesting.

823
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: It's such a great point about the Lightsabers.

824
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: Because right that to add on to that, notably, you know,

825
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: after the rise, directly after the Rise of the Empire,

826
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: Grand Vizier of the Empire, Masa Beta like melted down

827
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: like a thousand fucking lightsabers. Religion enough yeah, not enough apparently,

828
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: but then so Obi sees all this Jedi stuff, but

829
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: then boom, the building goes into lockdown. Sully and Broken

830
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: are like, what's happening? We're not controlling this, and Brocan's like,

831
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: oh my god, there's an Imperial cruiser in orbit. And

832
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: then Obi Wan says, well, you know what that means.

833
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: Darth Vader is here. So what do we do?

834
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: Obi Wan tells them, Okay, Vader's next move is going

835
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: to be just all out attack aggression. He doesn't have patience.

836
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: He's not gonna wait to like starve us out. He's

837
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: not gonna put up a siege and just wait for

838
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: us to all die. He's gonna try and force his

839
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: weight in here.

840
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: How do you know this, Obi Wan?

841
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: Well, long story flashback. Now back to the duel, and

842
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: it's another one of those teaching duels that we have

843
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: seen Obi and Anakind fight over the years. Obi is

844
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 2: preaching patience and letting go to these kind of like

845
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: specific dogmatic goals of victory.

846
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: And winning whatever that means.

847
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: That's not why the Jedi struggle, not to quote unquote win.

848
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: But Anakin is just like about competition, about that grind.

849
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 2: To him, every engagement, every relationship is a zero sum

850
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 2: game of somebody's got to win and somebody's got to lose.

851
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: He wants to win at all costs.

852
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: This is a classic Like, look, I love these characters. Yeah,

853
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: we both, we all love that. This is a classic moment.

854
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: I've always been an op. I won't say When I

855
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: was younger, I would have said a hater. I would

856
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 3: say that now as an older, more seasoned person with

857
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: more love in my heart, I'm obi Wan questioner, right,

858
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: And this is one of those moments where I say,

859
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: obi Wan stop teaching him things during Jewels, he was

860
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: not noticing it. Like this kid loves fying, loves chopping

861
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: people with the lightsaber. Like, just drink some tea and

862
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 3: have a chill conversation to channel it somewhere else, my friend, Like,

863
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 3: this is not gonna end well.

864
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: More meditation, right, more Jedi meditation, less lightsabers. I think

865
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: that's clearly one of the missteps from the training of

866
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: Anakin Skywalker. The Imperial assault begins, obi Obi Wan Kobi

867
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: gives the worst pump up speech in the fucking history

868
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: of its veriginal speeches. Everyone, everyone, I understand you're scared.

869
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: Everybody's looking around. Yeah, we're scared. The Empire will attack soon.

870
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 2: Now there's legitimate people fainting they're stronger than us. Somebody

871
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 2: just wet their pants. Better equipped, better trained, if we

872
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: will not survive?

873
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: Whoa, I can't wait to get into it, obi Wa.

874
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 2: God, you know what I was like. I was like,

875
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if we could fight the ampert. But

876
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: now that you said we're gonna get fucking wiped out,

877
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 2: I one hard.

878
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: No on, Obi, what.

879
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 6: Are you doing?

880
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: Why are you doing? Man?

881
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 3: Like? Can you believe it? I've never heard a worst speech.

882
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: He was so great, absolutely incredible.

883
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: God I've done.

884
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: This is not getting me inspired to do this thing

885
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: that we gotta do.

886
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 3: So can I just say he is like Charles exaving

887
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 3: our high level hair, Charles Xavier. Yeah, especially in the movies.

888
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: If that guy turns up somewhere, your whole family's gonna die.

889
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 3: Like wherever he can think about Logan. Yeah, he takes

890
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: them to that nice family they're looking at, and then

891
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: guess what, they all get murdered by evil evil Logan.

892
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: Right.

893
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 3: I just feel like, Obi Wan, you gotta do a

894
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 3: much bad job because legitimately the only reason that these

895
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 3: people more who have been waiting for months for safe passage,

896
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 3: you came here with your no drama and now they

897
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: are all gonna die and you can't even be like,

898
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 3: we're gonna do it. Guys, the force is with us.

899
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: That's yes, thank you.

900
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: Like to quote a great space captain and legendary smuggler,

901
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 2: never tell me the odds.

902
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: Fucking lie to me, please, obi.

903
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 2: Wan, don't tell me now our own Chris Lord along

904
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: with Mallory Rubin, when I raised these issues to do

905
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 2: both of them in turn both said, okay, well, here's

906
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: the thing. Obi Wan's spent the last ten years like

907
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: cutting fish and then living alone in a fucking cave.

908
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: He does.

909
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, after two years of pandemic and

910
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: you know, a year and a half of lockdown, like

911
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: we didn't know how to talk to people. And that's

912
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: absolutely right.

913
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: I get it.

914
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: It's it's weird talking to people and making you know,

915
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: inspiring pre battle speeches after you haven't done that for

916
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: over a decade and all. And by the way, the

917
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: last time you did that, you lost that war. I

918
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: understand that's tough. At the same time, fucking read the room.

919
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: We want everybody looks to. Everybody's terrified.

920
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: Don't don't end with we will not survive there.

921
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: Are so many forced sensitive kids in this room.

922
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 6: Man, just do a little bit of inspiration.

923
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: He ends, He ends on a stronger note. He closes strong,

924
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 2: which is great. He says, listen, Yes, if we fight them,

925
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: we will all die. Okay, but we're not gonna fight

926
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 2: them now. We're not gonna fight them. All we need

927
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 2: to do is harden this facility, guard the points of entry,

928
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: and fight for every inch so we can buy time

929
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: so all of us can get on the ships and leave.

930
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: Great, okay, let's do that. And by the way, here.

931
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: In this moment is the birth of what is essentially

932
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: the tried and true rebel alliance strategy that will carry

933
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: that armed force throughout its long war against the empire.

934
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: Shoot and scoot, we hit the empire, and then we

935
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: get out of here. Whether it's hawth, this is what

936
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: they did on Yavitt, this is what they did on

937
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: Crate later in the later trilogies, it's hit and run.

938
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: And here is legitimately, i think, the first example of

939
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: that rebel strategy, although it's just what they have to

940
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: do in this moment. So the refugees fly into action.

941
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: The blast doors are barred and welded shut, broken, Sully

942
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: and Obi are looking at various maps. Meanwhile, stormtroopers are

943
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: a massing outside the gates and they've got heavy guns.

944
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: Reva makes len fall.

945
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: She's here to command the assault from the ground while

946
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 2: Darth Vader's up in his ship. They begin pounding the

947
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: main blast door with that gigantic mounted blaster inside broken.

948
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 2: It's like, man, we can't get the hangar doors open,

949
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 2: so we can't actually the escape part, like the holding

950
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: off part is going kind of okay, skate part is

951
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 2: not going to work if we can't get these doors open.

952
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: Hanja comes up and says, well, okay, it looks like

953
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: the wiring runs through that vent. Why don't you go

954
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: up in the fucking vent and fix the wiringer and broke?

955
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: It's like, man, I'm too big to go in there.

956
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: Is that Princess Lea's music.

957
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: Yes, it's Princess Lay's music. Ten year old Princess Lea

958
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: is like, fucking I'll.

959
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: Go up like.

960
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 3: She's like, Galla ladder, a ladder, you fucking lose it.

961
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: By the way, she doesn't say this, but you could

962
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: tell she's thinking it.

963
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: Who fixes the doors when they break? Like when the

964
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: astrog Yeah, where what's going on?

965
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: Ben tells Hodja keep an eye on Lea. I have

966
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 2: to go make a phone call. He runs out makes

967
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 2: a phone call. It's Bail Organo aka Jimmy Baggs. I

968
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: call him that because he keeps collecting those big bags

969
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: for being star Wars.

970
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: I love it.

971
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 2: He's calling from all around, of course, and he says, listen,

972
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: I'm worried because you have left me on read for

973
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 2: all this time since I contacted you about rescue Leah.

974
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: You don't call me back.

975
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: I have no information about what's going on with I

976
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 2: don't know if you're dead or alive, what's going on

977
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: with either of you? And if I don't hear back

978
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 2: for you, I guess I gotta go to Tattooine to

979
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: check up on quote unquote the Boy aka Luke Skywalker,

980
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 2: because I know that Owen lars now is not gonna

981
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: be able to do it. Where's by the way, no

982
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: mention of Beru, thanks a lot. Okay, guys, we can't disrespectful.

983
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: He not Actually, Brew doesn't need help.

984
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 3: He's like just Owen.

985
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: Oh, it's kind of a mess.

986
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 3: He's a mess. He's very angry. Man. There's something really

987
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: interesting here right, Honestly, I love bail Ghana, one of

988
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: my old time most flawless Star Wars characters. But don't

989
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 3: say that on a communicator, please, even just the implication

990
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 3: this is bad. Don't put it out that it's gonna

991
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 3: end badly for you.

992
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: Leave it as a video voicemail, a hologram voicemail, like

993
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 2: if you need to say that, yeah, don't, don't do that. Uh.

994
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: And Ben is like, Ben gets.

995
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,479
Speaker 2: This and he's like, oh fuck, shit, things are going bad.

996
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: Tala comes in and she's obviously anxious and very worried

997
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: about these developments, you know, the Empire here and attacking

998
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: and always like everything's going to be found. Tala then

999
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: shares her own imperial or in sory. She was obviously

1000
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: an imperial officer. She was part of a round up

1001
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: operation of four sensitive families that turned out to be

1002
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: a catch and kill, you know, offshoot of Order sixty six,

1003
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: basically a wipeout mass murder operation.

1004
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: Uh.

1005
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: And she says, of that, so now I do this,

1006
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 2: and this means helping refugees escape from imperial clutches and

1007
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 2: killing imperial forces. Rocan then comes in. He's like, hey,

1008
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: shit is hitting the fan. The blast door is holding

1009
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: out but is getting warped by the barrage of this

1010
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: heavy blaster.

1011
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

1012
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: So it always like, okay, I gotta buya this even

1013
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: more time for the doorskit fix and everybody to escape.

1014
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: I am going to have one on one with Riva.

1015
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: And so he walks up to the door and they

1016
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 2: communicate using the force through the door. She's like, I

1017
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 2: know you're selling for time.

1018
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: It won't work.

1019
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: Vader wants to capture you, wants to torture you, and

1020
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 2: he's here and he's not gonna be stopped and all

1021
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 2: that stuff. And then Obi is like, oh, interesting, how,

1022
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: by the way, how did you know that Anakin Skywalker

1023
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: is Darth Vader. That's not a thing that anybody wants

1024
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: out there that certainly Vader would have wanted to keep

1025
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: that secret. How did you know? And then he works

1026
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: it out. Ah, you were a youngling. You were at

1027
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: the temple on the night of Order sixty six. You

1028
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: saw Anakin mass murdering Ing. We got it right, Ingriva,

1029
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: we got it absolutely right. Now small note, I actually

1030
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: think you didn't need this mysterious reveal.

1031
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: I think I think you could have gone.

1032
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: I think you could have opened the same way with

1033
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 2: the with the flashback to Order sixty six and then

1034
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: smash cut the Riva and we get it, like, I

1035
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: don't think you needed to hide this. I think it

1036
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: made it a little too Like I don't understand Reva's truly,

1037
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: like what's going on inside of Riva? That said, here

1038
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: is a confirmation of what we and many other people

1039
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: were saying, and all of which is say we are right.

1040
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: Riva then says, heartbreakingly, we thought he was there helpless.

1041
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: We thought Anakin was there helpless, and of course he wasn't.

1042
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: He was there to kill everyone. She survived by pretending

1043
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: to be dead amongst the slain on the floor, feeling

1044
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: their bodies go cold. And it was her disgust at

1045
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: her own weakness, at her own inability to do anything

1046
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: about this, that has led her on the path to

1047
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,479
Speaker 2: become more powerful, and thus led her on the path

1048
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 2: to becoming an inquisitor. And Obie realizes, Oh, so your

1049
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: quest to become the Grand Inquisitor is actually a mission

1050
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: to get closer to Vader so that over time, as

1051
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: his guard goes down, you will have the opportunity to

1052
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: kill him. I'm right right, you want to take revenge.

1053
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: He's absolutely right. And this is real sith rule of

1054
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: one type ideology.

1055
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: This is how it happens.

1056
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: It's not that you know and a Sith takes uh,

1057
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 2: you know, takes a learner, and that person then becomes

1058
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: so evil that they kill their master.

1059
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: It's they're so tortured.

1060
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 2: And and and uh and mistreated by their master that

1061
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 2: they feel like, I have to stop this person because

1062
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 2: that's doing good, Like it would actually be a good

1063
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: deed for me to kill this person. So I have

1064
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: to become powerful enough to do it. And that is

1065
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: how the dark side seduces you.

1066
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's such a good point, and I

1067
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: it's I totally get what you mean. I I like,

1068
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 3: I really love the revenge. I think that is the

1069
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 3: smartest twist. I think we all knew she was a

1070
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: youngling like that was that was clear, but she moses

1071
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 3: is great and to hear her talking about it and

1072
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: invote those kind of horrible memories and that nod like

1073
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 3: you said back to you know, the first kid who

1074
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 3: sees Anakin come in, Master Master Skywalker, Oh you're getting

1075
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 3: like you're dead, And it was really and I really like,

1076
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 3: I just really like the revenge aspect, But in respect

1077
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 3: to Reva, who I do rate and I rate this

1078
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 3: as a motivation much more than joining the Jedi to like,

1079
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 3: like joining the inquisitors to kill your own people. That's

1080
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 3: messed up, But revenge I can get down with it.

1081
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 3: But I feel like there was multiple times that she

1082
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 3: could have already killed Anakin and she could have just

1083
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 3: been like the classic like you put it. You're like, oh,

1084
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 3: you're gonna put it through the tummy or something like.

1085
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 3: But you know what Reva is a She is a

1086
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 3: dramatic person who likes to create an event. As we

1087
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 3: are about to find out, because one of the moments

1088
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 3: that you were cracking me up so much about is

1089
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 3: about to come up right now.

1090
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let's talk about these issues more in a bit,

1091
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: because I've really been thinking so much about the way

1092
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: Star Wars frames power and makes us empathize with people

1093
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 2: who have power. But let's table that for a second.

1094
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 2: Ben then makes a pitch Terariva, Hey, team up, like together,

1095
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: we can take him down. We can put a stop

1096
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 2: to this. I can help you do it. And Reva

1097
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: turns it around. It's like where were you that night?

1098
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 3: Where were you?

1099
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: He was your PoTA on what were you question this?

1100
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: Obie has absolutely no answer. Then Riva cuts through the gate,

1101
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: the blast gate with.

1102
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 6: Drama.

1103
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 2: Folks, Folks, why did we fucking set.

1104
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 3: Up minutes or something like away wasting.

1105
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: Amble with the heavy blust to get in there with

1106
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: the lightsaber?

1107
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: Cut the fucking door open? Jesus, what are we doing?

1108
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 3: Maybe I will say this is I'm I'm building a

1109
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 3: reading of Reva with some actions that she takes where

1110
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily fully cohesively gel with what we saw

1111
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 3: of her in the first few episodes, where she was

1112
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 3: so yeah, just ruthless with the power that she wanted

1113
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 3: to have, that she was going to talk to a baby.

1114
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 3: But I do believe I feel like maybe the reason

1115
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 3: that she didn't do it straight away is because she

1116
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 3: didn't want the stormtroopers and the weapons to end up

1117
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 3: getting to the children and the rebels. And I feel

1118
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 3: like there's a couple of moments here where they lean

1119
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:33,439
Speaker 3: into that but still narratively absolutely hilarious moment and I'm

1120
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 3: just like reading, what.

1121
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: Are you doing?

1122
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 7: Baby?

1123
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: Walk up, walk up and slice the door and then

1124
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: we're inside.

1125
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 3: I know they also have more than one lightsaber in

1126
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 3: that cruise. Yeah, we know it. We know there's a

1127
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 3: lot of lightsabers.

1128
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,479
Speaker 1: Big fight pops off.

1129
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: Obi uses the force to UH to push Reaver back

1130
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 2: outside the gate. And here we're seeing that Obi Wan

1131
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: Kenobi's connection with the forces is rejuvenated. It's growing stronger

1132
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 2: by the moment as he's reading scovered his mission to

1133
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 2: do good, to help people.

1134
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:03,919
Speaker 1: Uh.

1135
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: And here we see a battle for every single inch

1136
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: of the facility, the the the the rebels, we're just

1137
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 2: gonna call them rebels, even though they don't think of

1138
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: themselves as quite that yet and they're not quite organized

1139
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 2: to do it. But this is this is the beginning

1140
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: of the ideology of the Rebel alliance. They are outgunned,

1141
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: but they're absolutely courageous, fighting and falling back all the

1142
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 2: while towards the hangarbay. Meanwhile, Leah is up in the

1143
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: vent and she's struggling to figure out, Okay, what the

1144
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 2: where's the breaker, where's the right one? And also I

1145
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 2: have to mention broken the vent is not that small.

1146
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 3: The door to it is like smallish, But once you're

1147
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 3: in the space, there's a lot of space.

1148
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 1: Like Leya is could standing up like could you could?

1149
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 3: They not have like sent up broken to like tell

1150
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 3: her about how it works inside old and she's just

1151
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 3: like driggs.

1152
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: I mean, but still, you bro can get up there

1153
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, I think it's over by that.

1154
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: Why are you standing by the fucking button helping no one?

1155
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: Just being like you got it yet? You gotta know

1156
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: she's deen help her out.

1157
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 6: Anyway.

1158
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: In the fight, Tala falls and this is heartbreaking.

1159
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: Her loyal droid need Be then shields her with its

1160
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: body shades of Ktuso on SCAA. Tala then makes the

1161
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 2: ultimate sacrifice, detonating a grenade, killing herself in a squad

1162
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: of stormtroopers. But the sacrifice is absolutely crucial because it

1163
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: buys minutes that the rebels absolutely need to get away.

1164
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 2: Obi and the refugees are now falling back to the

1165
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 2: very very last position to the hangar. Bay Leah is

1166
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 2: up in the vent and again she's only ten, but

1167
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 2: she's kind of choking.

1168
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: Here and is getting a little touchy. They're like, hey,

1169
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: how's it going.

1170
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm looking okay, listen, Prince Lea, I get it.

1171
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: You're put in a really tough position. No one is

1172
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 2: really helping you find the breaker. But like, can we

1173
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: tone down the attitude because people are dying down.

1174
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: Like, people are getting fucking murdered down here.

1175
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 2: So we're everyone's just like a little hot about when

1176
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 2: is the.

1177
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: When are you going to figure out where the fucking

1178
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: breaker is.

1179
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 3: I'm not blaming.

1180
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming You're not blaming anybody.

1181
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 3: It is Also it is also how droid, which is

1182
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 3: close with this whole time, so like, very please observe

1183
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 3: the jeord.

1184
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 2: Also, did you not like the eyes of the droid

1185
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 2: were very, very obviously red.

1186
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: Did that not raise it?

1187
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 3: They are corrupted, crystal red.

1188
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 2: Like please, We're gonna need to unpack this when this

1189
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: is all over. But that's we're in an emergency right now,

1190
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 2: so let's just keep going with the facility breached. Vader

1191
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 2: is like, all right, everybody, time out, I'm coach, Vader

1192
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 2: is coming down.

1193
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: I am getting on the field. I'm putting myself at

1194
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: the game. We get another flashback.

1195
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 2: Anakin has now cornered his master against the balcony balustrade

1196
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 2: and batters him to the ground, but Obi won't admit defeat.

1197
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: We go back to the present.

1198
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 2: Obi, much to the contrary, is coming to a quite

1199
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 2: different conclusion about this battle on Jabeim. He decides, you

1200
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 2: know what, we can't win this. I am going to

1201
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 2: give myself to Vader and maybe that'll stop the carns.

1202
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 2: Broken is like, no, don't, which I was like broken.

1203
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: Wait.

1204
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: First of all, yesterday you were like, get this fucking

1205
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 2: Jedi out of here, and now this Jedi is like, well,

1206
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm just gonna give myself to Vader and

1207
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 2: maybe that and now you're like don't Haja can't.

1208
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: Believe it either. Obi wants just don't worry. Don't worry

1209
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: about it. Uh.

1210
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 2: Then and truly like you crazy for this one obi

1211
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: Wan move. He gives up his blaster, lightsaber and cell phone.

1212
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 3: Cell phone is the most important.

1213
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: You know that.

1214
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 3: Everything else you have the force, but the cell phone.

1215
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 3: Just keep it tucked in this side. Too many robe pockets,

1216
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 3: obi Wan.

1217
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: Or take your lightsaber and destroy it. You've got the information.

1218
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: Don't let this fall into anybody's hands.

1219
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 6: Just any deletes it.

1220
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's an option on that.

1221
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's gonna be a delete. Uh.

1222
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 2: He goes over and he surrenders. Stormtroopers present him to Reva.

1223
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: Reva says, hey, guess what daddy Vader's on his way.

1224
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 1: Uh.

1225
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 2: And then Obi then says the absolute hardest line in

1226
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 2: the entire episode, bringing him to me.

1227
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm bringing him to you. Oh.

1228
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 2: Now here Obi Wan is making a very very smart play,

1229
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 2: using almost sith.

1230
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: Like seduction techniques, right but for good.

1231
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: Here he says, Hey, getting in touch now with Reva's feelings,

1232
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: but from the light side, right her hopefully still intact

1233
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 2: instinct to protect the defensees. Hey, there's kids in here,

1234
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: there's families in here. You don't let Anakin do again.

1235
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: You're gonna murder kids again. We can end this together.

1236
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 2: I should add there are two hundred Stormtroopers watching this

1237
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 2: conversation too, talking loud.

1238
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:19,480
Speaker 3: Did we did we? Did we not just see them?

1239
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 3: Did we not just see them communicating via the force?

1240
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 3: They could have just been having a little you know what,

1241
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 3: This does play into one of my absolute favorite favorite

1242
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 3: like Star Wars things, which is just like Stormtroopers are

1243
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 3: like so sick of everyone ship. They don't fucking defeat

1244
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 3: Darth Vader. This ship is annoying, Like I want to go.

1245
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: They're just like they're just talking about like critters and stuff.

1246
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: That the longer it went on, I was like, you

1247
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 3: got to be joking. I was like, you two are

1248
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 3: not even whispering. I was like, this, this is going

1249
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 3: to end badly for you.

1250
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 2: Uh So, Reva doesn't say yes to the pitch of

1251
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 2: let's take down, but she says, okay, but what do

1252
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 2: we do if Vader is expecting us to do that?

1253
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 2: Like that's this is all some elaborate ruse. Ben is like, don't.

1254
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: Worry, he will be so laser focused on me.

1255
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 2: He won't notice anything else, which is actually a pretty

1256
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 2: good point stormtroopers. Then the stormtroopers then escort obi Wan

1257
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 2: back inside the facility. Okay, table that detail for now.

1258
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 2: We go back to another flashback. Ben escapes the corner.

1259
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 2: He Anakin smashes the lightsaber out of obi Wan's hands,

1260
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 2: disarming him, but Anakin's lust for winning has blinded him

1261
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 2: to really what the Jedi's true weapon is, which is

1262
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 2: themselves and their desire to.

1263
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: Do good and to protect people into uphold the light.

1264
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: Vader arrives on Jabim in the present day and he's like,

1265
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 2: where the fuck is Obi Wan?

1266
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: What happened? Do we not just have him? You had him? Really?

1267
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: What where you didn't you said? You just said you

1268
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: had him. You just texted me I got him? Is

1269
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: that not you?

1270
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 2: And then Reeva's like, now he's in the facility with

1271
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 2: the two stormtroopers that we're escorting him in the facility,

1272
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 2: and then he got away and you gotta go chase

1273
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: him cause he's in there. Vader's like, fine, I'll go

1274
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: get him. Meanwhile, Ben is running towards the hangarbay. Leah

1275
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 2: finally in the event notices her good friend Lola. This

1276
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 2: is crazy shit. Here's Lola glowing red eyes right near

1277
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: the circuitry that has been fucking sabotaged that is keeping

1278
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 2: them from escaping. And Leah's like, oh, Lola, what are

1279
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 2: you doing here? How about like fucking everything up?

1280
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 3: Lea?

1281
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:43,719
Speaker 1: I realized that, Leah.

1282
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 3: I love you. I love your short legs and your

1283
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 3: force fast running.

1284
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: I love you.

1285
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 3: But but but but in every other episode, this droid

1286
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 3: has been at your side. You are putting people's lives

1287
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 3: at risk for the joy. You love the droid. You

1288
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 3: look at the droid, you take everywhere with you. That

1289
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 3: is how they were able to put a try. But

1290
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 3: now the droid does a stranger. The droid is a

1291
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 3: mifty where's the droid who's how did it take her

1292
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 3: this long? I do not lie unless the droid had

1293
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 3: some kind of like the droid actually like had a

1294
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 3: scythe inside of it. That was like, fucking how would

1295
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 3: the docks I'm.

1296
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: Sorry shock it. Leah sees Lola and is like, oh, Lola, hi, honey,

1297
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: where you been? Like what are you doing in this event?

1298
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:25,919
Speaker 1: It's so weird that you're here where.

1299
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 2: All the equipment is in sabotage and honestly would not

1300
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 2: have realized despite the glowing red eyes, except Lola then

1301
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 2: attacks her and she grabs she She grabs Lola and

1302
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 2: sees that it's got this bitty restraining well, this is very,

1303
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 2: very the smallest restraining bolt that has ever been put

1304
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: on a droid.

1305
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: She takes it off and that fixes. That fixes stuff.

1306
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 2: Lola's eyes all of a sudden turned blue and then

1307
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 2: Princess Lea is able to fix the doors. Doors are

1308
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 2: now open. The refugees are making a run for the

1309
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 2: transport ships. Ben arrives and is escorting Laya to the transport,

1310
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: but Vader is hot on their heels, and when Vader

1311
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 2: gets into the hangar bay, he sees one of these

1312
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 2: cruisers taking off it's about to take off.

1313
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:07,759
Speaker 1: And then, in an.

1314
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 2: Indible display of strength and dark side power and will,

1315
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 2: Vader reaches out with the force pulls the ship back

1316
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 2: down as its thrusters are struggling mightily to have it.

1317
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 2: To have the ship power the ship out out of orbit,

1318
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 2: Vader pulls it down. It lands with a thud. He

1319
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 2: tears open the doors, peers inside the ship. But guess

1320
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 2: what the ship was a decoy There's another ship. That

1321
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 2: ship flies away and Vader is now like in force

1322
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 2: cool down for fifteen seconds or thirty seconds or whatever,

1323
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 2: and he just is too exhausted to do anything about it.

1324
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 2: And ben in the fucking rebels have escaped. We go

1325
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 2: back to our duel on Coruscant in the past. Obie

1326
01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 2: dodges Anakin's attacks using the force. He takes Anakin's lightsaber

1327
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: and says, you're a great warrior, Anakin, but your need

1328
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 2: to prove yourself as you're undoing in this moment. The

1329
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 2: lesson is clearly accepted by Anakin Skywalker, but as we

1330
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 2: know from the life of Anakin Skywalker slash Darth Vader

1331
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 2: definitely not learned. He definitely did not internalize this. As

1332
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: Vader is breathing heavy because he's just exerted like mega

1333
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 2: mega mega force powers, and he's staring up at this

1334
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 2: ship that is now flying away from him, powerless to

1335
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 2: stop it, even though there is an Imperial fucking cruiser

1336
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 2: up there somewhere. Apparently nothing can be done. Reva then

1337
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 2: chooses this moment to sneak up and try to backstap Vader.

1338
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: Guess how that fucking goes?

1339
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 3: Well, she yells, that's my biggest from that. She does

1340
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 3: a martial arts movie. Yell that is done so that

1341
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 3: for choreography, right, and martial arts movies. You yell so

1342
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 3: you know where you're coming from, so you can hit,

1343
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 3: so you can find It's incredible. My bat my dear,

1344
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 3: my dear, Reva, you could have just been quiet and

1345
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 3: stabbed him this again.

1346
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 2: Also yeah, Also when he's like using all of his

1347
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,440
Speaker 2: might to hold on to the ship.

1348
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: And pull it back down to Jami. Yeah, right, then

1349
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: walk up and couple of.

1350
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 2: Pa ray Vader that says he was wise to use

1351
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,759
Speaker 2: you against me, and they fight, and it's a really

1352
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 2: cool reversal of the last bit of the duel that

1353
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 2: we saw in the past. Anakin verse versus Obi Wan

1354
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:37,640
Speaker 2: in which Obi Wan disarmed just simply dodges all of

1355
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 2: Anakin's attacks.

1356
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: Here, Vader does the exact same thing.

1357
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 3: Almost using the pallos.

1358
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, telling you that he is he is still thinking

1359
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 2: about that duel he was remembering, and he's been thinking

1360
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 2: about that moment, and he is just dodging her attacks.

1361
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 2: She's swiping at him, swinging at him, slicing in him,

1362
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,759
Speaker 2: and he is just dodging left and right, left and right. Finally,

1363
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 2: she ignites her lightsaber to its full length like a staff,

1364
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 2: like a long staff, and engages Inquisitor spinning mode with

1365
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 2: with the lightsaber. And I have to say, whatever amount

1366
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 2: of billions of credits the Inquisitor fucking force invested in

1367
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: creating Spin Lightsaber Tech, it was a waste.

1368
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't do shit.

1369
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 2: All Spin Lightsaber Tech has ever done is defend against

1370
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 2: blasters kind of because the Inquisitors are not that adept

1371
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 2: at the Force, not like Jedi or Sith to be

1372
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 2: able to like block stuff, you know. So they have

1373
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: the spin, but the spin has never killed anybody who

1374
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 2: is trying to defend themselves.

1375
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 3: It doesn't work. This is my ibi.

1376
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 1: This spin doesn't work.

1377
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 3: This show is truly bill on my my favorite. This

1378
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: is my inquisite theory.

1379
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 6: None.

1380
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 3: They are all like deep down, the light Side is

1381
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 3: just like making them shit. They like don't actually want

1382
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 3: to kill all the Jedi, so like every choice they

1383
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 3: make that should be like like making this super sick

1384
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 3: light but it never walks, like he doesn't worry. They

1385
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 3: have been like the most badass looking lightsaber in the

1386
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 3: whole world. Guess what, it's not gonna walk. So the

1387
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 3: Jedi again on A sixty six is failing. I feel

1388
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,440
Speaker 3: like maybe that's actually the secret agenda at this point.

1389
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: I know.

1390
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 2: So she engages spin mode, Vader uses the force, he

1391
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 2: slows it down so it's no loger spitting, and then

1392
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 2: he disarms her, snaps her saber staff in two, and

1393
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 2: then gives her the other half.

1394
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 3: I know that.

1395
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: Read So now it's the first live action red lightsaber

1396
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 2: on red lightsaber duel in Star Wars history. This is

1397
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 2: iconic and historic stuff, folks, and a proper duel at

1398
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 2: which of what do you think?

1399
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: It's fucking Darth Vader?

1400
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 2: He wins, He gut stabs Reva, and she falls to

1401
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 2: her knees, and in that moment, her thoughts returned to

1402
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 2: the massacre and the fear of Order sixty six. Here

1403
01:18:55,720 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 2: it is happening again. Vader says, I saw the coming

1404
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:05,799
Speaker 2: all along. He even, Yeah, now you're of no further

1405
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: use to me. And how did he figure out?

1406
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: Well, Reva, along with the many, many.

1407
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: Clues that you left, how about the fact that you

1408
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 2: had a public conversation in front of two hundred stormtroopers

1409
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 2: with Kobe Wan Kenobi about switching sides and betraying Darth Vader.

1410
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: In front of two hundred.

1411
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 2: Imperial soldiers who were just like, oh cool, this is

1412
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: a cool governsation.

1413
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 3: So if that, if she remembers that night, which we

1414
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 3: know is like basically that's like the most important night

1415
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 3: in Anakin Skywalker's life and his transition to the dark side.

1416
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 3: Like if she remembers his face, he probably remembers the

1417
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 3: face of everyone who he killed or who he thought

1418
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 3: he killed. So she probably he probably just saw him

1419
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 3: and was like, I knew this was coming. Keeps him

1420
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 3: up in the back of the tank is like which

1421
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 3: one survived.

1422
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 2: So Viva is perhaps mortally wounded. She's on the ground now,

1423
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 2: writhing in pain. She's in and out of conscious. This

1424
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 2: is barely holding on the real Grain Inquisitor comes out

1425
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 2: original the o G Grand Inquisitor, now fully healed from

1426
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 2: his gut, stab the back to tank doing It's where

1427
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 2: he comes out. And let me tell you, my guy

1428
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 2: is extremely proud of himself for doing.

1429
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: Nothing, for.

1430
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 2: He's just a fucking bog and here he here, he is,

1431
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 2: acting like he hit the game winner.

1432
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: You didn't do.

1433
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 3: Shit, He's a he's a smug jobs. He's like, look

1434
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 3: at me. You couldn't catch Obi Wan Kudobi. You couldn't

1435
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 3: stop Reva. You didn't know she was a spy. You

1436
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 3: did nothing apart from in the back to tank, which hopefully.

1437
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, other than tongue licking Darth Vader's armor clean. What

1438
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 2: do you do? He then here's what he does. He

1439
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 2: reaches down, he plucks the Grand Inquisitor badge off of

1440
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 2: Reeva's armor. He puts it on his own chest and

1441
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 2: he says see you later, Alligator.

1442
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: Bye, and they don't kill her. They leave her there.

1443
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 2: Okay, big mistake obviously, because well for Obi Wan really,

1444
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 2: because Reva sees Obie's smashed cell phone there on the ground,

1445
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:02,600
Speaker 2: She's like, what's that?

1446
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 1: She crawls over to it.

1447
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 2: Darth vader, the grant inquiser gone, they have left name

1448
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 2: on quickly gone. He well, he needs to They need

1449
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 2: to catch obi Wan. So they needed to get a

1450
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 2: move on. So Reva crawls over, manages to get a

1451
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 2: hold of the phone and presses plate. Now it's been

1452
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 2: damaged and the message is incomplete, but she's able to

1453
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 2: make out uh, something about a boy, something about a

1454
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: person named Owen, and then the planet very clearly of

1455
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 2: tattooing on the outer rim. Everybody knows tattooing. Meanwhile, on

1456
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 2: the escape ship, broken in the refugees and.

1457
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,440
Speaker 1: Ben Ben.

1458
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 2: Consents with the force that something is wrong. The thing

1459
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 2: that's wrong is Reva just saw the message about tattooing

1460
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: and the boy and whatever. But he's he can feel it.

1461
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: Something is not right. Rocan comes up, It's like, hey

1462
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 2: you so it's a little bad news. Broken's like, hey,

1463
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 2: a little bad news. The dark our invadership is like

1464
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 2: right behind us and our hyperdrivers out. But you look

1465
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 2: like really pale. Obi Wan like you look like you

1466
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 2: just see are you good? And then obi Wan is

1467
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 2: like I'm sure it's nothing. Absolute fucking flat out lie.

1468
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 2: You choose now to You could have lied when you

1469
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 2: had the inspirational speech, but I get it. There's no

1470
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 2: reason to alarm these people. Now, thank you for doing

1471
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 2: the right thing. Here we go to tattooing, and this

1472
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 2: is left me thrilled. We're floating over the sands towards

1473
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 2: a familiar set of buildings. It is the Lars Moisture Farm,

1474
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 2: the home of Owen and Beru, and of course a

1475
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 2: young man who is sleeping in his bed, the young

1476
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 2: Luke Skywalker.

1477
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: Baba baa. We go to end credits. Folks, Rosie listen.

1478
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: I know, I'm, I'm have been very critical of Riuva's

1479
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 2: strategizing and her planning in this, but what a thrilling

1480
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: episode of television.

1481
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is so thrilling and it's so charming, and look,

1482
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 3: this is the real truth. And everyone who listeners knows this.

1483
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 3: We know this. We're positive people. We love this stuff.

1484
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 3: But you know what's really really fun about stuff that

1485
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 3: you love when you're talking about with your friends and

1486
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 3: you're like picking apart, like why would they do that?

1487
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 3: Like how does that work? You know, that's the fun

1488
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 3: of watching this stuff. And like the good thing is

1489
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 3: Moses just sells Reaver's journey so much that like you

1490
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 3: want her to survive, you want to know what happens next.

1491
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 3: You can relate to the horror of the young Wings

1492
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 3: and everything that happen and why you know, being There's

1493
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 3: lots of narrative ways we could explain it, like being

1494
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 3: on that edge between the dark side and the light

1495
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 3: side and being a force user but not really ever

1496
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 3: connecting to either side of the force. There's many reasons

1497
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 3: you could be making some silly decisions. There's also definitely

1498
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 3: an arc of like by the end post almost torturing Layer,

1499
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 3: she wants to let she doesn't want to stab someone

1500
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 3: in the back in a silent way. She wants to

1501
01:23:58,320 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 3: let him know it's him and have a fair fight.

1502
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 3: There are these little moments, but also like this is

1503
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 3: just such a fun show and I think this really yeah,

1504
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 3: this really shows the power of when there's there's that

1505
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 3: great pulpy way that Star Wars tells to you, that

1506
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 3: Star Wars tells stories like the Mandalorian, which is like

1507
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 3: sequential serial storytelling, like you're watching a Saturday morning show.

1508
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 3: And I love that they can have that, and then

1509
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 3: they can have something like this that just feels like

1510
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 3: this epic singular story where you just care so much

1511
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 3: about everything that happens, and also like they're so good

1512
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 3: at doing those endings like this gives you that same

1513
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 3: feeling as when obi Wan said anakain and then he

1514
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 3: opened his eyes. You know? So do you okay? So

1515
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 3: this is what I want to know. Do you think

1516
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 3: obviously we're gonna see Luke next episode? There's two questions

1517
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 3: I want to know. Do you think him and Ley

1518
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 3: are going to meet? I will probably cry? And do

1519
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 3: you think this? To me feels like everyone always thought

1520
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 3: this series was gonna be about Luke and obi Wan

1521
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 3: and Luke? Does this feel like season two the inevitable?

1522
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 3: Season two is gonna be like Luke and obi Wan?

1523
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 3: Because that's what this kind of feels like to me.

1524
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 2: If I think that Leah and Luke are going to

1525
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 2: almost meet several times in Anguish It, it's gonna be like.

1526
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 3: We're gonna be crying.

1527
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: He had if he had just if.

1528
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 2: Luke had just turned the corner and looked to his right,

1529
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 2: she would have been there. If if Leah had just

1530
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 2: done this, they would have met. I think we're gonna

1531
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 2: get a lot of near missus. And then I think

1532
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 2: you're right We're gonna be set up to have been

1533
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 2: as the more active protector of the young Luke Skywalker

1534
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 2: in the ten years that are gonna lead up to

1535
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 2: the eventual Battle of Yavin, the emergence of Luke Skywalker.

1536
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 2: Is this galactic figure to return to Riva For a second,

1537
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 2: I think I've been thinking a lot about the kind

1538
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 2: of the central theme in Star Wars of overcoming trauma

1539
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 2: and being forgiven, you know, like the original trilogy ended

1540
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:22,759
Speaker 2: on this really like heartwarming, big hearted note of Anakin

1541
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 2: Skywalker coming back to the Light, meeting his son, being

1542
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 2: a part of his son and his daughter's life, and.

1543
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: Actually putting the Force back into balance.

1544
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 2: Tied Up in all of that, though, is how can

1545
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 2: we And I think that central idea, which is so

1546
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 2: compelling of like, listen, we've all done things in our

1547
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 2: lives that we feel bad about, you know, but that

1548
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you are beyond forgiveness. No one you

1549
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 2: can forgive yourself for the mistake you've made. Now we

1550
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 2: have not made mistakes that include like the wiping out

1551
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 2: of entire places, genocide, so complete planetary genocides, And that

1552
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 2: leads me this is where I'm not gonna say, I

1553
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 2: love Star Wars.

1554
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm very passionate about Star Wars. I'm sure everybody here

1555
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: listening understands.

1556
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 2: That we are very passionate about Yeah, but my feelings

1557
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:26,759
Speaker 2: are complicated in that. Can we how can we forgive

1558
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 2: Darth Vader for all of these stuff, killing the like

1559
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 2: the Younglings, various massacres across the galaxy in the twenty

1560
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 2: years until the Battle of Yavin, the destruction of Aldron.

1561
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 2: He didn't pull the trigger, but he was there. He

1562
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 2: was a part of it. He was part of the

1563
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 2: imperial regime that did that. How can we how can

1564
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 2: we forgive a person that did that? And which leads

1565
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 2: me this is what I was thinking about with Reva's Turn,

1566
01:27:55,160 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 2: which is just how seductive power. How it tells you that, listen,

1567
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 2: you've been hurt, You're gonna take revenge, You're gonna do

1568
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,799
Speaker 2: something that is good. You're gonna stop this villainous person

1569
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 2: from doing more bad things. But all the while, as

1570
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 2: you accrue the power to do that, you are turning

1571
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 2: bad yourself. And the thing that I found really compelling

1572
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 2: about Reva's arc is that unlike Darth, who is just

1573
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 2: like pure evil right now, even though that we know

1574
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 2: that there is a park of light inside him. Reva

1575
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 2: sees herself as the good person. Everyone has failed her.

1576
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 2: The Jedi failed Obi Wan Kenobi walked away as far

1577
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 2: as she knows, from his padawan and his responsibility, and

1578
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 2: that person unleashed then killed everyone, and she couldn't do

1579
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 2: anything about it. And now here she is doing what

1580
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 2: she has to do to stop it. But at the

1581
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: same time, how can we forgive Reva for ye, yes,

1582
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,679
Speaker 2: it's true she didn't torture Lea, but she was gonna.

1583
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: She was one step away from doing it.

1584
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 2: It just the torture machines took too long to boot up.

1585
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 2: How can we forgive her for all the things that

1586
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 2: she's done? Which finally leads me to my the final

1587
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 2: central question that other people who have listened to other

1588
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 2: listen to Benjamin Star Wars have heard me talk about this,

1589
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 2: which I want to pose now to you, Rosie.

1590
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Is that and it's my and it's the one, it's

1591
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 1: the it's the kind.

1592
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 2: Of like you know how Anakin has like the hint

1593
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 2: of light inside of him still as he's Darth. Right

1594
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 2: now here is the hint of doubt inside me Regarding

1595
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 2: Star Wars and its depiction of forgiveness and power is

1596
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 2: that Star Wars hacks our empathy program, which is when

1597
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 2: we engage with stories we want to empathize with the

1598
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 2: person who has power.

1599
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: We don't want to We don't want to.

1600
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 2: Engage with a story about the stable boys before they

1601
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 2: learn how to use the Force, or the regular people

1602
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 2: in the galaxy who are just doing regular people shit,

1603
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 2: working like cutting whale blubber from the from some is

1604
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 2: on the sands of tattooing.

1605
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: We don't care about them.

1606
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 2: We want to know about the Sith, and we want

1607
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 2: to know about the Jedi, and we don't want to

1608
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 2: know about the Stormtroopers and the Inquisitors and all the

1609
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 2: stuff that they've done. But at the same time, there's like,

1610
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 2: this is a massive galact of war that has taken billions,

1611
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 2: if not trillions of lives, and we don't think about

1612
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 2: those people. And I and it just gives me pause

1613
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 2: because I feel like it's it's it's a kind of

1614
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 2: a metaphor for what we deal with in life right now.

1615
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 2: It's like we want to focus on the politicians who

1616
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 2: are running things and the bad actors that we know about,

1617
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 2: and the and the this talking head that is terrible

1618
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 2: and this influencer that is a piece of shit. At

1619
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 2: the same time, like, there are truly like powerless people

1620
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 2: in the world who we for whatever reason because instinctively

1621
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 2: we don't want to empathize with them, because we don't

1622
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 2: want to feel like we ourselves are powerless.

1623
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 1: We want to We want to even if it makes

1624
01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:58,560
Speaker 1: us enraged.

1625
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 2: We want to think about the powerful people who are

1626
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 2: fucking things up rather than the powerless people who are

1627
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 2: under the boot of those forces. And that's what Star

1628
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 2: Wars makes me think about it. I was thinking about

1629
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 2: this entire episode. What do you think about that?

1630
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 3: Was it?

1631
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: I think that'd give you pause.

1632
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 3: I think it's really true. I think it's one of

1633
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 3: the ultimate conundrums of Star Wars. It's also one of

1634
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 3: the talking points that I think fans talk about a lot.

1635
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:27,759
Speaker 3: I think so. I think that for me, I feel everything.

1636
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 3: I totally agree with everything you're saying, but almost more

1637
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 3: from like an outside perspective, because I agree that that

1638
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 3: is a central thematic issue with Star Wars, and really

1639
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 3: any film about war, honestly, is it focuses on the

1640
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 3: people who are committing it rather than the people who are.

1641
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 1: Victims of the people who won.

1642
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, the people, and also the history is told by

1643
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 3: people who won, right, that's what we always know that,

1644
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 3: But I have to say that I think that personally,

1645
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 3: like the one, especially as I've grown older, this has changed.

1646
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 3: But like going back to that central the first thing

1647
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 3: that we believe about it, right, which is the Vader.

1648
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 3: I really I don't know if I believe that we're

1649
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 3: supposed to forgive him or that it's supposed to be

1650
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 3: anything other than a father just doing the right thing

1651
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 3: by his kid. I don't know that that act is

1652
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 3: meant to make him absolved. I just feel like in

1653
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 3: that moment, the light wins over the dark, you know,

1654
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 3: And that's I think that's kind of again, it's that

1655
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 3: thing when we take the power away from Vader and

1656
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,839
Speaker 3: the idea that he could just suddenly everything's fine. Annie's

1657
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 3: like Annie again, and it's like he was our dad,

1658
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 3: when really it's just one person making one choice that

1659
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 3: in that moment has a really positive impact. It doesn't

1660
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 3: negate all the negativity that he did, but in that

1661
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 3: moment it puts us on a different path. And like

1662
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 3: for me, something and I mean we've talked about this

1663
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 3: of course, But like, I think, this is such a

1664
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 3: central kind of conundrum within Star Wars that it's why

1665
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 3: so many of us were so deeply excited by the

1666
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:12,600
Speaker 3: end of you know, The Last Jedi, because suddenly it

1667
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 3: was about the kids who were the stable boys, who

1668
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:19,839
Speaker 3: were the servants, who actually, guess what, they could still

1669
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 3: use the force. They just used it for their chores

1670
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 3: because they didn't know it was magical, because no one

1671
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 3: had ever Actually I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it,

1672
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 3: like nobody had ever come and told them you're worthy.

1673
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,639
Speaker 3: This is a power that you have. You can do

1674
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 3: something with this. And I think the other aspect that

1675
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 3: I really struggle with with Star Wars that I think

1676
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 3: fits into this is like that kind of elitist bloodline

1677
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 3: nature of the Jedi and this kind of idea that

1678
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 3: like certain people can and you have to live by

1679
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 3: this forceful way. And I say, I have a problem

1680
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 3: with it. But what I actually love is I love

1681
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,679
Speaker 3: delving into the Star Wars stories and again The Last Jedi,

1682
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 3: I think does a brilliant job of this, looking at

1683
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 3: the the abusive relationship between the master and the student

1684
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 3: and how that can so easily be turned you know, Chris,

1685
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 3: our super producer. Chris made a great point about a

1686
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 3: scene in this episode where there's we see lightsabers in

1687
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 3: the Path and we'd seen lightsabers in the Inquisitorious, And

1688
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 3: I think that is really the power of Star Wars

1689
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 3: is the constant comparison between the Jedi and the Sith,

1690
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 3: and the light Side and the dark Side, and how

1691
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 3: so much of what we critique about the way that

1692
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 3: the Sith use power or the Sith seduce people is

1693
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 3: actually very similar to what the Jedi do. It's just

1694
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 3: that their reasons behind it are different, or the way

1695
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:43,640
Speaker 3: they wheeld the power ends up being different. So I mean,

1696
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 3: those are the kind of conversations I think, and the

1697
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 3: kind of you know, wider galaxy brain takes. That's how

1698
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 3: we can still be into it and be passionate about

1699
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 3: it decades later, because if you just watch it and

1700
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, this is good and this is bad.

1701
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 3: I think those conversations, you know, the way that there

1702
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 3: used to be in like the nineties and the Zeros,

1703
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:06,759
Speaker 3: it was always the conversation of like was the empire right? Surprise?

1704
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 5: No?

1705
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:11,560
Speaker 3: But those political conversations no, But like those conversations of

1706
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 3: like and and and the Clerk's conversation. You know, I've

1707
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 3: brought that one up before, like all the people who

1708
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 3: died on the Death Star, Like when we start digging

1709
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 3: in to what it really means to live in that world,

1710
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 3: and we can be the ones who change the meaning

1711
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 3: of the story. We can be the ones who care

1712
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 3: about the young lings or the person who works. We

1713
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 3: can be the one who cares if Max Rebo, Max

1714
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 3: Rebo survives. You know, it's just a question of whether

1715
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:40,160
Speaker 3: the people telling the stories will reflect that. You know.

1716
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 2: That's a that's a great point, in a very powerful one.

1717
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 2: And I think the thing that keeps you and I

1718
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 2: and other people coming back to Star Wars stories so much. Uh,

1719
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 2: that's just very well said. We are the change in

1720
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 2: the story that we want to see from the story.

1721
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1722
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 2: I will say at the end of Return of the Jedi,

1723
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 2: when the fucking Ewoks are going ape shit and Anakin

1724
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:11,759
Speaker 2: is there in his glowing ghost form, it does feel

1725
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 2: very celebratory of my guy.

1726
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Definitely, no Asterisk, this guy killed.

1727
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 3: At that point, They're like, it's just your dad again,

1728
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, I'm going back to that one

1729
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 3: choice he made that one moment that also, I have

1730
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,719
Speaker 3: to say, as a number one Ewok lover, I'm always

1731
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 3: just in that moment like yeah, like this is how you.

1732
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 3: The Empire baby is just like a bunch of crazy

1733
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 3: animals with sticks, Like they're just like living life with

1734
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 3: some quick flying around quick final question.

1735
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 2: We gotta see Qui goun Jin in the finale, right,

1736
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 2: it's gotta happen.

1737
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:52,679
Speaker 3: Has to be, I feel like well, and I definitely

1738
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 3: think you touched on this earlier right where you were

1739
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 3: like we see in this episode that obi Wan is

1740
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 3: reconnected to the Force, and I also I like the

1741
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 3: kind of I don't ness. I feel like him, and

1742
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 3: I thought that they might lean into the idea of

1743
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 3: him and Anakin being some kind of creating like a

1744
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 3: Force diad, even though I know that that was more

1745
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 3: connected to like Sith bloodlines and stuff, but it seemed

1746
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 3: like there was something there. And I do still feel

1747
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 3: like it's not a coincidence that while Anakin was so

1748
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 3: focused on these lessons that he'd had with Obi Wan

1749
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 3: that were based around the Force and the Jedi and lightsabers,

1750
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,640
Speaker 3: obi Wan was at the same time getting connected to

1751
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 3: the Force again. That feels very relevant to me, So yeah,

1752
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 3: Qui Gonjin, I think that's quite likely. Maybe Luke will

1753
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:46,759
Speaker 3: be in grave danger. Maybe there is something along those lines.

1754
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 3: Maybe it's to do with Anakin, because let's not forget

1755
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:53,800
Speaker 3: who is at fault, Qui gone jin. So he needs

1756
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:55,919
Speaker 3: to come and pay for his pay for his mistakes.

1757
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 2: Next quick question, are the Force users Fortress inquisitorious in

1758
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 2: some kind of stasis or are they dead? Secondary question

1759
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 2: off of that is that is Rocan's wife there, because

1760
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:15,680
Speaker 2: it feels very much like why I mentioned it.

1761
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for that shoe to drop was going to

1762
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:19,760
Speaker 1: show up somewhere.

1763
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 3: His Rocan's wife, Mara Jade, who I was sure that

1764
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 3: I saw in he goes crazy. I would love that.

1765
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 3: I don't. I have to say it looks stacisy, right,

1766
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 3: I feel like it.

1767
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 1: Looked stacisy with the eyes open like that.

1768
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 3: Mike God says I. This would be my my my

1769
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 3: logical reading the Padawan, he looked dead. I think that

1770
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 3: was a dead body that they put into that because.

1771
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 5: That creepy nobody's his face was all funked up like

1772
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 5: that may be sad rgy to that padawan, but I

1773
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:57,600
Speaker 5: believe that it could keep dead bodies looking young so

1774
01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:59,599
Speaker 5: you can creepily look on them and be like, look.

1775
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 3: At all these people we killed. Or it could potentially

1776
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 3: keep some people in a stasis style situation, and you

1777
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 3: know what, that would make a lot of sense, because,

1778
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 3: as we've said many times, not great actually stopping the Jedi,

1779
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 3: so putting them in stasis and then inevitably allowing some

1780
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,520
Speaker 3: of them to escape is very much on the inquisitorious

1781
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:20,799
Speaker 3: kind of path.

1782
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 2: Well catch us next week when we will be talking

1783
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 2: about the Obi Wan Kenobi finale.

1784
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: Dunt Dunt dum, Same bad.

1785
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 2: Time, Same bad channel. Up next Hadmind featuring Danny Fernandez.

1786
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 3: Oh hey, Danny, it's so gay to have you here

1787
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 3: on Extra Vision. How are you doing.

1788
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:53,640
Speaker 6: I'm doing good now that I get to see you.

1789
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so lovely to see you too. And I'm

1790
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 3: so excited to talk about your amazing comic book debut.

1791
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 6: Thanks for supporting it. I saw you picked up a

1792
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 6: couple of issues.

1793
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:07,680
Speaker 3: So it's got to be done. I mean, we are

1794
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 3: living in a truly great time when we get to

1795
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:17,719
Speaker 3: see our favorite superheroes openly celebrating queerness and celebrating pride

1796
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 3: and to us as fans, it means a lot, Like

1797
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 3: there are a lot of deep layered conversations to be had,

1798
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:25,679
Speaker 3: but generally the fact you can go into a comic

1799
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 3: book shop, or a kid can go into a comic

1800
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 3: book shop and pick up an issue that says pride

1801
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 3: and read a ton of queer stories. That's just a

1802
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 3: great win and it makes me so happy that you're

1803
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 3: involved in it.

1804
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 6: No, it's like wild I've loved these two forever and

1805
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 6: I feel like kind of came full circle with them.

1806
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 6: So to me, they're like the two most iconic queer

1807
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 6: characters in like DC history, aside from Wonder Woman, which

1808
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,960
Speaker 6: I love and am excited hopefully to see more of

1809
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 6: her queerness, especially in live action. I'm gonna like, yeah,

1810
01:40:58,800 --> 01:40:59,679
Speaker 6: you know, if you need a girl.

1811
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 3: Everyone would love to see it. Danny, you could just

1812
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 3: be yourself. It's just wonder Woman.

1813
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 6: It's just it's just Danny Fernandez.

1814
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 3: So, like something that we always love to ask our

1815
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 3: guests when they kind of come on here, is what's

1816
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 3: your comic book origin story? Like, what was the moment

1817
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 3: that you fell in love with comics?

1818
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, so mine, I would have to say, is like

1819
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 6: comic adjacent and that I fell in love with manga,

1820
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 6: being like obsessed with DBZ. I have it tattooed on me.

1821
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 6: It's just so iconic and has affected so much other

1822
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 6: anime and other manga artists and storytellers and so I

1823
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 6: used it used to be really hard to get a

1824
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 6: hold of I want to tell people this, like you would.

1825
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 6: It was either like some little video store, like an

1826
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,560
Speaker 6: indie video store, and they would also have like bootleg

1827
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 6: anime DVDs and you could get some manga, or like

1828
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 6: now there's a who section at Barnes and Noble, but

1829
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:04,320
Speaker 6: sometimes it would find its way over there, dude, and

1830
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:07,719
Speaker 6: you could like find manga sometimes in Barnes and Noble,

1831
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:08,639
Speaker 6: which was crazy.

1832
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,719
Speaker 3: The kids, like nowadays, they do not know the horror

1833
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 3: of like having to get the They would have like

1834
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 3: vouchers in the back of magazines and it would be

1835
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 3: like you just send off for a VHS and it's

1836
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 3: like three episodes it was thirty dollars, or like you said,

1837
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 3: it's like you've got to find little places. I remember

1838
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:32,680
Speaker 3: in Soho in London there was an old laundromat that

1839
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 3: was actually among a bookseller and most of it was

1840
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 3: in Japanese. So good back. You can just enjoy the art,

1841
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:44,280
Speaker 3: but also like you'd occasionally find a couple of sub

1842
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 3: like things that had been either subbed if it was

1843
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 3: anime or translated. And I'm really glad you picked that

1844
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 3: because I actually think, you know, in a world of

1845
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 3: big two superheroes and Western comics, people don't often think

1846
01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 3: about manga as as something that is the same. But

1847
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 3: actually Manger is like this incredibly storied, old version of

1848
01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 3: comics that way out dates Western comics, and it's been

1849
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 3: so influential and is also so influential on so many

1850
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 3: creators like you and creators that we love, especially who

1851
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,480
Speaker 3: are now making American comics.

1852
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, just like big storytellers that are making big action movies.

1853
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 6: I know Jordan Peele has talked extensively, uh and I

1854
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 6: know like friends that work for him that said in

1855
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 6: his office he had like anime. Yeah.

1856
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 3: He actually he put the a Keurris slide into the

1857
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 3: International Note trailer. So when I saw that, I was like,

1858
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:38,719
Speaker 3: come on, that's like, I know.

1859
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 6: He said that that and then uh, Taika obviously because

1860
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:43,679
Speaker 6: he was signed on to do that. But like Taika

1861
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 6: wa Titi, and there's so many people who have been

1862
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 6: heavily influenced. And this, this is always my soapbox, is

1863
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 6: that a lot of people will say, well, that's like

1864
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 6: super mainstream. Like let's say DBZ, which is one of

1865
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:58,639
Speaker 6: the biggest anime of all time. Uh, like, oh, that's

1866
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 6: a real enormy one. And it was like, okay, but

1867
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 6: this normy one, which by the way, again was so

1868
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:05,240
Speaker 6: hard to get a hold of. I know that everyone

1869
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 6: now sees it on crunchy roll and it was on

1870
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 6: Funimation and like Tsunami, but like, it used to be

1871
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:12,559
Speaker 6: really hard to get a hold of here in the States.

1872
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:18,759
Speaker 6: But this normy mainstream anime affected so many other anime

1873
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 6: and manga creators and that's what they grew up with.

1874
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 6: So the people that are now our age that are

1875
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 6: creating it, they grew up with those. So yeah, to me,

1876
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,640
Speaker 6: it's like, okay, it's mainstream. So it was like so

1877
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:33,679
Speaker 6: is Harley Quinn and Poison.

1878
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 3: I like Superman and Batman. Yeah, you're living in an

1879
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,960
Speaker 3: age where those are the most mainstream things ever. And

1880
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:44,799
Speaker 3: I actually love how much more mainstream like DBZ especially

1881
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 3: has become, you know, with like record breaking box office

1882
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:52,720
Speaker 3: for releases. Yeah, it just makes it more accessible. It

1883
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 3: means more people can find these stories.

1884
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's just exciting to see because then it's like, Okay,

1885
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:01,680
Speaker 6: well maybe you'll get a subscription to like country roll

1886
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 6: or some cruntry roll. Pay me because now I've said

1887
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 6: your name like three times.

1888
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 3: Crunchy roll and also me a free subscription.

1889
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 6: I've works with Funimation. I don't know if I've done

1890
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 6: stuff with crunchy Roll. Maybe I have. There's a lot

1891
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 6: of changeover. But was I gonna say, oh, yeah, so

1892
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 6: maybe you subscribe to it because of micro academia or whatever.

1893
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 6: But then you're finding because there's a wealth in a

1894
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 6: library in there, so then you're finding smaller ones that

1895
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 6: might be not as quote unquote mainstream, you know, and

1896
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 6: so that that is a good way to get in.

1897
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:36,680
Speaker 6: You know. They say it's like a gateway anime, but

1898
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, well it's a good way to find

1899
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 6: other other lesser known ones.

1900
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 3: I also think as well, like it's a gateway for

1901
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 3: a reason. That's one of the few anime that, like

1902
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:51,200
Speaker 3: you say, you could get a hold of even if

1903
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:52,800
Speaker 3: it was hard to get a hold of. Yeah, and

1904
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 3: Salor Moon, those were that was your right. Salor Moon

1905
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 3: those were your two big available ones, and that's why

1906
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 3: to so many of us, they were such establishing kind

1907
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:05,760
Speaker 3: of spaces and the place that we found that love. Yeah,

1908
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 3: so I guess because so Danny perfectly teased this at

1909
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 3: the beginning, it almost sounded like it was planned by

1910
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 3: not telling us who their DC story was about. So

1911
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 3: it's about Harlequin and Poison Ivy, the legends. So I

1912
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 3: would love to know, and what was your origin with them?

1913
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 3: When was the first time you found them and you

1914
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 3: realized that these were characters you cared about, or you

1915
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,439
Speaker 3: felt represented by, or you just loved their kind of

1916
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 3: chaotic bisexuality.

1917
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I grew up watching Batman, the animated series,

1918
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:39,040
Speaker 6: and so I mean, I feel like we all did.

1919
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 6: But that was just so iconic still like beautiful artwork.

1920
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:45,559
Speaker 6: I feel like you could freeze any element of that show.

1921
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 6: And also segueing in the fact that Kevin Conroy, who

1922
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:52,559
Speaker 6: is the voice of Batman, who was the voice of

1923
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:55,719
Speaker 6: Batman for so many of us growing up, it also

1924
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:57,599
Speaker 6: has a story in this comic.

1925
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 3: It is unbelievable. That is one of the bravest, coolest,

1926
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:06,720
Speaker 3: most wonderful inclusions. And I thought DC did such a

1927
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 3: great job.

1928
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Speaker 6: Yes, and so that's all to say. I first met

1929
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 6: them in animated form. That was my first introduction to them,

1930
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 6: and that kind of stayed. I my love of them

1931
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,360
Speaker 6: over the years. Also would be in movie form, I

1932
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 6: would say, Uma, I will go to that literally any day.

1933
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 3: So many articles. I love that movie. It's a masterpiece

1934
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,760
Speaker 3: and Uma is That has got to be one of

1935
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:40,800
Speaker 3: the best superhero supervillain comics time.

1936
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 6: As a comic book writer, can we say it is

1937
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 6: one of the best adaptations of how a comic book feels. Yeah,

1938
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:54,879
Speaker 6: it's campy a f If you've read a comic, especially

1939
01:47:55,000 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 6: nineties comics, they were so campy. The dialogue is so corny,

1940
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 6: you know, even even going back to Adam West, Batman exactly.

1941
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 3: The one that channels it the most. And I think, yes,

1942
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:11,599
Speaker 3: you can't like Joel Schumacher who made that movie. That's

1943
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 3: he's a gay icon and he made a gay iconic movie.

1944
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:16,760
Speaker 3: And I saw, if you've got a problem with that,

1945
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 3: I can't relate to it because I love Batman and

1946
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 3: Robin We got the nipples.

1947
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,240
Speaker 6: You got book.

1948
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 3: You know, and you have honest Watchnega. He's doing an

1949
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 3: incredible job. Like he is being as quippy as any

1950
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:35,720
Speaker 3: Batman super villain should be. The costs designs are perfect. No,

1951
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 3: I feel you.

1952
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 6: It's bright, it's beauty. It's so colorful, and when you

1953
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:43,960
Speaker 6: watch it as a kid, it was like, yeah, this

1954
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 6: is exactly. These are my cartoons coming to life. This

1955
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:49,559
Speaker 6: is the Batman that I know coming to life. This

1956
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 6: is the Poison Ivy, like this is this is my

1957
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 6: comic books coming to life. Also, I got to say

1958
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:57,040
Speaker 6: before I hop off this because I know I'm supposed

1959
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 6: to be talking about HQ and Ivy. But George Clooney,

1960
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:06,559
Speaker 6: to me, I think I tweeted this the best Bruce Wayne.

1961
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 6: He is To me, he's the most charming billionaire, because

1962
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 6: what I the City of Gotham trusts a billionaire, which

1963
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 6: side I But if you're gonna trust anyone and you're

1964
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 6: gonna be like, oh well, he's the bachelor of our times,

1965
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 6: it's George Clooney. He is the most likable.

1966
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 5: To me.

1967
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 6: I also love Keith I mean, I love all the

1968
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:30,639
Speaker 6: Batman but like Keaton is second. But I feel George

1969
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 6: Clooney's best Bruce Wayne philanthropist, like ladies man.

1970
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:40,080
Speaker 3: To me, he's absolutely the most believable ladies man. And

1971
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 3: I also I love him in that movie. So yeah,

1972
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 3: I love this and I'm so happy to find that

1973
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 3: this is another boom.

1974
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:51,880
Speaker 6: Literally I am posting by the time this has come out,

1975
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:54,559
Speaker 6: I have posted a Poison Ivy photoshoot that I did

1976
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:57,679
Speaker 6: h and I used one of her quotes about tending

1977
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 6: and it was like, come join us and come joined

1978
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 6: me in ten tend to my garden. So I'm all

1979
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 6: about it. I love her Poison Ivy.

1980
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 3: In Incredible News, we have been joined by Jason Conceptio

1981
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:13,040
Speaker 3: and my incredible co host, who was summoned by the

1982
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 3: mention of by manm.

1983
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:25,679
Speaker 1: Robbin nipples, nipples.

1984
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:30,200
Speaker 3: Nipples, nipples on the batsuit.

1985
01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: What a legendary that was.

1986
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 2: I know what a legendary thing that was that they

1987
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:39,000
Speaker 2: had the the nipples on the batsuit.

1988
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:40,320
Speaker 1: It was beautiful. I agree.

1989
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:43,440
Speaker 2: I was just listening in George Clooney is a fantastic

1990
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 2: Bruce Wayne so debonair and charming and brought a level listen.

1991
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:53,800
Speaker 2: Keaton is great, I'll Colma very good, but like he

1992
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 2: brought a different level of like acting, maybe because I

1993
01:50:57,800 --> 01:50:59,360
Speaker 2: don't know if he liked what he was doing, but

1994
01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:01,479
Speaker 2: he brought like a different energy to it that was

1995
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 2: really debonair and good.

1996
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:07,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I love that, and it's like it's something

1997
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 3: I really liked about Robert Pattinson's Batman was how like

1998
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 3: grimy he was. That to me is like a realism

1999
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 3: Bruce Wayne. It's like he's like a Greebo who lives

2000
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 3: in a train station and can't go outside because he's

2001
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:23,600
Speaker 3: dedicated his life to, you know, avenging his parents and

2002
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:26,560
Speaker 3: making off them a better place. But in the idealistic,

2003
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:31,759
Speaker 3: like comic book world of Batman and Robin, Bruce Wayne

2004
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:35,439
Speaker 3: is charming and you believe that these women want to

2005
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:38,240
Speaker 3: throw themselves at him, and he's arguing with Robin over

2006
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 3: poison ivy like that. It's tonally just perfect and I

2007
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 3: truly I love that movie so much. I've talked about

2008
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 3: it on the podcast. I always say to people just

2009
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 3: go and watch it because you will have fun. So

2010
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 3: I'm glad I have once again been supported love it.

2011
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, you'll have to do a bonus episode, have me

2012
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:55,599
Speaker 6: on to just watch it or like a watch along

2013
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:56,200
Speaker 6: or something.

2014
01:51:56,360 --> 01:51:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll just do our own. It's our director's commentary.

2015
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:03,760
Speaker 3: It's just talking about it. So yeah, You've talked about

2016
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:06,679
Speaker 3: how you came to know these characters and love them,

2017
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:08,599
Speaker 3: So what how did it come about that you were

2018
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:10,640
Speaker 3: going to write them for this Pride issue.

2019
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I actually met with DC a couple of

2020
01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:15,559
Speaker 6: years ago and told them that I wanted to write

2021
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:20,639
Speaker 6: them or like I said, Diana, who's another woman that's

2022
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:24,200
Speaker 6: very near and dear to my heart. And then I

2023
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 6: just went off and wrote TV for a couple of years,

2024
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:31,320
Speaker 6: mainly during the pandemic that I've been Actually, all the

2025
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:34,120
Speaker 6: last three shows I've written on have been Warner Brothers shows.

2026
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:37,559
Speaker 6: This is a Warner Brothers property. I'm working on a

2027
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 6: Warner feature right now. So I feel like I'm just

2028
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 6: me and Warner Brothers are just you know, I'm I'm

2029
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 6: in the tower up there, so you'll live and live

2030
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:49,519
Speaker 6: up in the tower. And so they hit me up

2031
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:53,320
Speaker 6: for this Pride They wrote my manager and where like,

2032
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 6: we want Danny to write a Harley Quinn Poison Ivy story.

2033
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,879
Speaker 6: And I think it helps that I had the background

2034
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 6: I did that I'd been as vocal about loving them. Also,

2035
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:08,960
Speaker 6: I know the guys over at Harley Quinn Animated series.

2036
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:12,840
Speaker 6: I've also worked with Charlie Adler, he directs, and it

2037
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:15,800
Speaker 6: does voices in it. But anyways, that's all to say,

2038
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:17,960
Speaker 6: I've been in this wheelhouse, I've been in this family.

2039
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 6: I've hosted. I was on the Crisis Aftermath panels with

2040
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 6: Kevin Smith on the CW. So I've definitely been in

2041
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:28,360
Speaker 6: the DC Warner Brothers family. But I was just over

2042
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:31,960
Speaker 6: writing TV and so I was very honored that they

2043
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:35,720
Speaker 6: wanted me to write these two huge icons for this.

2044
01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:38,280
Speaker 6: And then I had to come up with a story,

2045
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,920
Speaker 6: a short story, no less, which is like I'm used

2046
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:45,200
Speaker 6: to at Netflix. I'm writing, you know, like sixty pages

2047
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:48,919
Speaker 6: an hour long drama, and so it's actually very difficult

2048
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:51,479
Speaker 6: to write a short story because it's like you got

2049
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:54,559
Speaker 6: to get in and out, but can't be too quick.

2050
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:57,600
Speaker 6: You can't take too long. You know, you have to

2051
01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 6: have it resolved by the end. And I really just

2052
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:03,519
Speaker 6: wanted them to have fun, Like I know that we're

2053
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 6: going to be talking about queer stuff on here, and

2054
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:08,720
Speaker 6: so like that was one of my biggest things is

2055
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:12,519
Speaker 6: I want the ability to have the range where if

2056
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:15,719
Speaker 6: you want to talk about things that are a little heavier,

2057
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 6: or things that are really heavy, or trauma or whatever.

2058
01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:21,960
Speaker 6: I am. Anyone that follows me on Twitter knows I

2059
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:25,400
Speaker 6: talk about trauma a lot, but sometimes in my art

2060
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:30,559
Speaker 6: I don't want to. And I just wanted them to

2061
01:54:30,600 --> 01:54:33,400
Speaker 6: get to play. And so there is a little bit

2062
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 6: of a discussion of their past selves in this and

2063
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 6: some of the stuff that they some of their deepest fears,

2064
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 6: I will say, But other than that, I really just

2065
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 6: wanted to see what I could do. In fact, when

2066
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 6: they asked me, that was the first thing I said

2067
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:50,120
Speaker 6: was what can I get away with? And Jessica Chen,

2068
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 6: my editor, was like, let's see. So she was very Yeah,

2069
01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 6: she's also a queer woman of color, and so it

2070
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:00,760
Speaker 6: was great to work with her and just kind of

2071
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 6: we I would send her stuff and ideas and she

2072
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 6: would get really excited, and I would get really excited

2073
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:06,800
Speaker 6: that she was excited.

2074
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:07,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

2075
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 6: So we have some really beautiful scenes in the comic

2076
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:13,400
Speaker 6: between the two of them.

2077
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Something that I was going to ask you about

2078
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:19,080
Speaker 3: one ges Chen is putting like, if you look at

2079
01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,520
Speaker 3: the best DC comics coming out right now, gess Chen's

2080
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:23,400
Speaker 3: name is on them. So as soon as you said

2081
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:25,360
Speaker 3: that was young with them, Like that makes sense. So

2082
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 3: you talk about like what you could get away with

2083
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:29,839
Speaker 3: something you build in here is like there are elements

2084
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:33,080
Speaker 3: of like rope bondage and different kinds of knots, so

2085
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,600
Speaker 3: that the IVY users on Harley, could you talk about that,

2086
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:37,960
Speaker 3: because it's very cool to see that in DC comic

2087
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 3: and Zoe Thurrogod the artist does such a brilliant job

2088
01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:41,920
Speaker 3: of bringing it to life.

2089
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:45,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we wanted something that was like if you know,

2090
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:47,800
Speaker 6: you know, we kept calling it like the a tip

2091
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:50,040
Speaker 6: of the hat, We're like, and then the tip of

2092
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 6: the hat. And so it was like, if you're into

2093
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:57,480
Speaker 6: BDSM or you would you would very clearly identify the

2094
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:00,960
Speaker 6: type of knots and body did or rap. What I

2095
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 6: will say is she's wrapped in Harley is wrapped in

2096
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:08,720
Speaker 6: vines from Ivy. But if you don't, it just looks

2097
01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 6: like she's wrapped up. You know, she's caught in this,

2098
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:14,360
Speaker 6: in this trap. And so that to me is what

2099
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:16,560
Speaker 6: I want it to be. You know, I want if

2100
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 6: you're you're sexually active, you know to but but you know,

2101
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:24,160
Speaker 6: if you're not, and you're giving this to your mom,

2102
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:28,960
Speaker 6: although she might be too, you really don't know. It's fine.

2103
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:31,960
Speaker 6: She wouldn't know, she wouldn't know anything, and so that's

2104
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:35,160
Speaker 6: kind of what I like playing with uh sometimes. There

2105
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 6: was another scene that I had where I wrote Zoe

2106
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:42,880
Speaker 6: if she can do a sweeping kiss like Mortician Gomez,

2107
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 6: which is the end of Adam's Family where they're in

2108
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:48,760
Speaker 6: the doorway and he kind of is bending her over,

2109
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:51,040
Speaker 6: And to me, I just want to say, because I

2110
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:56,280
Speaker 6: have this platform, Gomez, Adams is queer, He's sexually fluid.

2111
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 6: There's no way you you're telling me that man who

2112
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 6: is that like wab and that he's not sexual, that

2113
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:04,440
Speaker 6: man is sexually fluid. I'm gonna go ahead and say

2114
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:07,200
Speaker 6: that they both have easily had thirds and he is

2115
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 6: also a bi icon. So I basically what's fun about

2116
01:57:14,240 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 6: getting to create art is taking from things that influenced

2117
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:22,320
Speaker 6: you when you were growing up. Of like, this scene

2118
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 6: is so iconic for me. Can we take my characters

2119
01:57:24,520 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 6: and make this scene?

2120
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 3: MM?

2121
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:30,920
Speaker 1: Apologies if you discussed this before, but.

2122
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 2: Harlivey is one of the most beloved couples, probably in DC,

2123
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:39,560
Speaker 2: maybe in comics in general.

2124
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:40,600
Speaker 3: What was it?

2125
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:43,360
Speaker 1: What was it about them that drew you to this

2126
01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:44,840
Speaker 1: idea of doing a story.

2127
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:47,560
Speaker 6: I just love that there's Yeah, I love that they're

2128
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:52,680
Speaker 6: so unapologetically themselves, which is something the comics obviously are doing.

2129
01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:56,400
Speaker 6: But also I love seeing on HBO Max with the

2130
01:57:56,440 --> 01:58:01,880
Speaker 6: animated series is that they get because that's what they

2131
01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:04,800
Speaker 6: would do, and it's so funny. I'll make fun of

2132
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:07,960
Speaker 6: Batman on Twitter, and of course people get mad, and

2133
01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:10,680
Speaker 6: I'm like, can't we have some fun at expense of

2134
01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:16,360
Speaker 6: the bat Like I'm always like, I was like, yeah,

2135
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:18,920
Speaker 6: but I'm also like, so are you only going to

2136
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 6: bat for the bat like or are you allowed to

2137
01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:25,560
Speaker 6: play as some of the other characters? And so I

2138
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:28,320
Speaker 6: just love that they just don't care, like they just

2139
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:33,720
Speaker 6: they just don't care about pleasing anyone else. And you

2140
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 6: know they're still figuring out their journey. You know that

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Speaker 6: they've been written by so many different creators now and

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01:58:41,160 --> 01:58:43,960
Speaker 6: there's so many It's great that my story can exist

2143
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:46,520
Speaker 6: and another story can exist. There can be so many

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Speaker 6: different tellings of them, and my favorite stories are the

2145
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:52,880
Speaker 6: ones where they're figuring out their relationship with each other,

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01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:56,360
Speaker 6: because I truly don't think anyone else really knows what

2147
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 6: it's like to be them than them, right, So that's

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01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 6: why they have such a strong bond. And but what

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01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:06,280
Speaker 6: happens when your lover is your best friend and now

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01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:09,200
Speaker 6: you lose your best friend when you lose your lover,

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01:59:11,120 --> 01:59:13,680
Speaker 6: and that was a concern. I know when I got announced,

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01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:16,320
Speaker 6: I saw several fans that were like, oh, is she

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01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 6: gonna break them up? Because you know they got broken

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01:59:18,200 --> 01:59:19,480
Speaker 6: up by another by woman.

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Speaker 1: Which I was like, I.

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01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:28,760
Speaker 6: Was like, yeah, let me have them meet Danny Fernandez. Like, literally, Danny,

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01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:30,960
Speaker 6: I'll just put myself in the comics. I'm like, I've

2158
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:33,040
Speaker 6: already been animated. I'll just put myself in the.

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01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:36,920
Speaker 3: Girls animal Man style. You're just like the writer is

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01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:39,920
Speaker 3: in the book. No, I really love that and like

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01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 3: something I thought was really cool about this comic which

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01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:44,480
Speaker 3: is out there now. So I'm gonna say this because

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01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:46,360
Speaker 3: I'm not telling the story, but it's a it's a

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01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:48,720
Speaker 3: it's an important point. Something that I really love is

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Speaker 3: you have that challenge, you have that sauciness, you have

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01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:55,000
Speaker 3: that fun but there's this big moment where like love

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01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:57,880
Speaker 3: is this most powerful thing and saying I love you

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Speaker 3: and that's really it's so it feels so warm and

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Speaker 3: striking and intone of them. So could you talk a

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Speaker 3: little bit about that moment and why it was kind

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02:00:06,120 --> 02:00:06,839
Speaker 3: of so important.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, I think these are two women who

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Speaker 6: rightfully have walls, have so much trauma, and rightfully might

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Speaker 6: not full haven't been exposed. I would say to the

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02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:25,080
Speaker 6: unconditional love, love without conditions, and they get that in

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Speaker 6: each other. And I think it's still you know, when

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Speaker 6: you've been burned so many times. I think we can

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Speaker 6: all probably relate to this. When you have something that

2179
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:39,000
Speaker 6: feels good, you sabotage it or you just question it.

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02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:42,520
Speaker 6: And so this story is kind of feeding into their

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02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:47,000
Speaker 6: worst fears about that that I don't deserve. That's another thing.

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Speaker 6: I mean, how many times it's hardly her entire life

2183
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:52,760
Speaker 6: heard that she doesn't deserve, that she's not worthy of love,

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Speaker 6: you know, of being fully herself. And these are they

2185
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Speaker 6: can finally put let their guards down. It's like, but

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Speaker 6: are you going to is the other part of that

2187
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:05,840
Speaker 6: now that you finally can? And so I think I

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Speaker 6: think their love for each other in that moment just

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Speaker 6: kind of like triumphs over their fears. I actually have

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Speaker 6: I have like a I'm looking at it right now,

2191
02:01:15,480 --> 02:01:18,000
Speaker 6: have a sign that says choose love. But I often

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02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:21,440
Speaker 6: tell myself choose love over fear. In so much of

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Speaker 6: my life, Like I had it as my wallpaper on

2194
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:27,000
Speaker 6: my phone forever, just because it can be really easy

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02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:31,240
Speaker 6: to resort back to holding myself back or sabotaging or

2196
02:01:31,800 --> 02:01:35,040
Speaker 6: you know, trauma based things, which, like I said rightfully,

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Speaker 6: but it takes a lot of courage. It's like very

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Speaker 6: brave to love to catch feelings. To catch feelings is very.

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Speaker 1: Brave what you talk about.

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Speaker 2: There, How these two characters have experienced a lot of trauma,

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02:01:54,160 --> 02:01:55,720
Speaker 2: come from trauma in a lot of ways. Something I

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02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:59,720
Speaker 2: think about a lot with comic book stories that are

2203
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:06,040
Speaker 2: so rooted in you know, origin stories that are often terrible,

2204
02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:08,040
Speaker 2: horrific events, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: How do you.

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Speaker 2: How do you balance talking about trauma in a way

2207
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Speaker 2: that isn't exploitive?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, like how do you how do you?

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Speaker 1: How do you?

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Speaker 2: How do you walk that line? And is there is

2211
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:26,280
Speaker 2: there do you have like a meter in your head

2212
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:28,760
Speaker 2: that lets you know, here's here's the kind of space

2213
02:02:28,840 --> 02:02:31,400
Speaker 2: that I want to work in when I'm talking about

2214
02:02:32,040 --> 02:02:33,600
Speaker 2: these kind of subjects through these.

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Speaker 6: Characters honestly with them. Well, to answer your question on

2216
02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:41,280
Speaker 6: like everything that I've worked on, it really just depends.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes I pull in the trauma more just because I

2218
02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:46,960
Speaker 6: feel like the story calls for it, and to understand.

2219
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Speaker 6: I always say that it it explains someone's actions, it

2220
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:53,360
Speaker 6: doesn't excuse them. I know that we're talking about that

2221
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Speaker 6: a lot in the mental health community, and so sometimes

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Speaker 6: you need to know the trauma in the back. You

2223
02:02:57,680 --> 02:02:59,280
Speaker 6: need to see it to be like, why is this

2224
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:05,040
Speaker 6: person acting this way? With them? Though, if you're a

2225
02:03:05,160 --> 02:03:08,600
Speaker 6: DC reader, I feel you're pretty familiar with their trauma

2226
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:12,880
Speaker 6: being murdered.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, you've seen it, you.

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02:03:18,680 --> 02:03:22,640
Speaker 6: Know, and so do you need to see that? I

2229
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:24,800
Speaker 6: think instead I just put snippets of it. Again, it's

2230
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:27,840
Speaker 6: just a short story. But in my in my other creations,

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02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:30,680
Speaker 6: in my other work, definitely I might dive in a

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02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:33,000
Speaker 6: little bit more. I just feel like I'm kind of

2233
02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:38,720
Speaker 6: moving away more and more. I feel, you know, I

2234
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:41,360
Speaker 6: feel I feel the audience knows. That's That's one way.

2235
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Speaker 6: It's like treating the audience as if they've been through this,

2236
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Speaker 6: because I can imagine even if you don't relate to

2237
02:03:46,440 --> 02:03:53,080
Speaker 6: let's say, sexual trauma, relationship trauma, maybe parent trauma, and

2238
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:56,240
Speaker 6: there's so many other Basically, what I'm saying is that

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Speaker 6: I don't always know if we need to see it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, But.

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Speaker 6: Watch I come out with something and it's just and

2242
02:04:06,680 --> 02:04:08,920
Speaker 6: people are gonna bring this up and I'll be like, oops.

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Speaker 3: Uh So I was like that kind of ties into

2244
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:15,160
Speaker 3: something I was really interested to ask you about, which

2245
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:19,080
Speaker 3: was like that balancing of like celebration and then like reality.

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02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:22,800
Speaker 3: You mentioned Kevin Comory has a story in this issue,

2247
02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:26,320
Speaker 3: which is this incredibly moving or biographical comic And you

2248
02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:28,680
Speaker 3: grew up like we both did, like we all did

2249
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Speaker 3: with you know, Batman the animated series. So what's it

2250
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Speaker 3: like for your first published comic one to be with DC,

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Speaker 3: like just starting at the top, and two to be

2252
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:41,879
Speaker 3: alongside you know, our generation's Batman.

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Speaker 6: It's very validating, It's very I have to say, it's

2254
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:49,440
Speaker 6: very validating, like I'm so honored to write them. But

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Speaker 6: I also just feel like I have been I mean,

2256
02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:55,440
Speaker 6: you know me for a while now, I've been hustling

2257
02:04:56,720 --> 02:04:58,760
Speaker 6: Rosy and I DM a lot because I'm always like,

2258
02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:00,839
Speaker 6: you know, I've been. I think I I was struggling

2259
02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:03,040
Speaker 6: to break into comics, I was struggling to break into TV.

2260
02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:10,120
Speaker 6: I've been, you know, despite my years of training that

2261
02:05:10,200 --> 02:05:12,480
Speaker 6: I've had both as a writer and an actress. This

2262
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:16,280
Speaker 6: industry is not easy to break into, and even when

2263
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:19,400
Speaker 6: you break in. I was listening to Jensen eccles story

2264
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:22,720
Speaker 6: about getting Soldier Boy, this a different franchise, but it

2265
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:26,040
Speaker 6: was like he had to fight. He had to fight,

2266
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:28,880
Speaker 6: even though he'd worked with Eric, he had to fight

2267
02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:31,080
Speaker 6: to get that role. And I remember some of my

2268
02:05:31,240 --> 02:05:36,160
Speaker 6: acting friends were like, are you that's just even.

2269
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:36,640
Speaker 3: At that level.

2270
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Speaker 6: They were like, that's exhausting. And so to have the

2271
02:05:41,320 --> 02:05:45,840
Speaker 6: validation of the years of work that I have put in,

2272
02:05:46,040 --> 02:05:47,720
Speaker 6: because I think if you're listening to you're like, oh,

2273
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:49,520
Speaker 6: well this was just handed to her, I was like, no, no, no, no,

2274
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Speaker 6: there's years. Like I said that I've worked at Warner Brothers.

2275
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:56,600
Speaker 6: There was years that I was working with, like I said,

2276
02:05:56,640 --> 02:06:00,920
Speaker 6: with DC and hosting and I having shows at Nerdice,

2277
02:06:01,080 --> 02:06:04,560
Speaker 6: talking to female creators like I've been doing the work

2278
02:06:04,680 --> 02:06:07,320
Speaker 6: behind this. I sold a show two HBO Max It's

2279
02:06:07,320 --> 02:06:13,720
Speaker 6: another Warner Brothers. So I've been behind the scenes writing scripts, submitting, auditioning, pitching,

2280
02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:17,040
Speaker 6: pitching again, selling things that you haven't even heard of

2281
02:06:17,120 --> 02:06:19,600
Speaker 6: or seen, having those dropped behind the scenes, being dropped

2282
02:06:19,640 --> 02:06:22,920
Speaker 6: from things like picking myself up again and again and

2283
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:25,840
Speaker 6: again and again. And so it gets to a point

2284
02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:30,320
Speaker 6: though where I love when things can just come in easier,

2285
02:06:30,600 --> 02:06:32,200
Speaker 6: like when it can just be like an offer.

2286
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Speaker 7: And that's what this was.

2287
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Speaker 6: And what that says to me is that I have

2288
02:06:36,040 --> 02:06:38,160
Speaker 6: made such a name for myself that they knew who

2289
02:06:38,200 --> 02:06:40,520
Speaker 6: I was, they knew my work, they knew the things

2290
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:42,920
Speaker 6: I'd written for and been on that they trusted me.

2291
02:06:43,800 --> 02:06:46,480
Speaker 6: So I think it was just validation of all the

2292
02:06:46,680 --> 02:06:50,240
Speaker 6: years of hard work that I've put in behind the scenes,

2293
02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:50,760
Speaker 6: you know.

2294
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Speaker 2: Pride to this year really has me thinking about the

2295
02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:58,640
Speaker 2: particular cultural moment we were in where it feels like

2296
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Speaker 2: you using the platform of anti transanimous, all of a sudden,

2297
02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:10,240
Speaker 2: all the rights that have been won in recent years

2298
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:14,400
Speaker 2: seem like everything's under threat. It seems like, you know,

2299
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Speaker 2: homophobic language that was once commonplace like in the nineties,

2300
02:07:20,520 --> 02:07:22,840
Speaker 2: you know, is now just thrown around like you go

2301
02:07:22,920 --> 02:07:25,560
Speaker 2: on the internet now and it's just like everywhere with

2302
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Speaker 2: you know, the grooming discourse and this very toxic rhetoric

2303
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:39,040
Speaker 2: aimed at LGBTQAI people. What does it mean to have

2304
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Speaker 2: a story in this year's DC Pride issue and what

2305
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Speaker 2: is it? What does pride mean in twenty twenty two,

2306
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:48,680
Speaker 2: because it feels like this is just me speaking for

2307
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:51,440
Speaker 2: me personally. I almost feel like I took it for

2308
02:07:51,560 --> 02:07:54,960
Speaker 2: granted a few like if we could go back in time,

2309
02:07:55,120 --> 02:07:58,760
Speaker 2: like two years, My inner feelings on a lot of

2310
02:07:58,840 --> 02:08:03,520
Speaker 2: this stuff was there bad people out there who hate

2311
02:08:03,560 --> 02:08:07,560
Speaker 2: gay people, hate the LGBTQAI community in general.

2312
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:10,440
Speaker 1: But largely, by and large.

2313
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:15,880
Speaker 2: LGBTQAI people won that one and continue to march on.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like that anymore. It feels a lot

2315
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:21,000
Speaker 1: scarier in fact.

2316
02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:25,000
Speaker 2: So I was wondering if you could just talk about

2317
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:27,240
Speaker 2: how it feels to have this story this year and

2318
02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:29,920
Speaker 2: what does it mean to what does pride mean in

2319
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I really think that pride for me in twenty

2321
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Speaker 6: twenty two, like being openly queer, and even like wearing

2322
02:08:39,120 --> 02:08:44,240
Speaker 6: our flag, our rainbow flag, like feels like is an

2323
02:08:44,240 --> 02:08:47,480
Speaker 6: act of bravery. And I know, I was in Greece

2324
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:52,880
Speaker 6: right before the comic dropped, and I was talking to

2325
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Speaker 6: a staying at this hotel, and like I was staying

2326
02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:56,200
Speaker 6: there for a couple of days, so I'd see the

2327
02:08:56,280 --> 02:08:58,280
Speaker 6: manager and they're always like, oh, what what are you

2328
02:08:58,360 --> 02:09:00,280
Speaker 6: wearing today because I was getting all dressed up, like

2329
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Speaker 6: every time I would go out into the town, I'd

2330
02:09:02,240 --> 02:09:05,240
Speaker 6: always get dressed up. And then I came down in

2331
02:09:05,680 --> 02:09:09,800
Speaker 6: a rainbow gown which I ended up wearing when I

2332
02:09:09,880 --> 02:09:14,720
Speaker 6: did a DC Pride signing, and his face changed and

2333
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:18,160
Speaker 6: it was so I just didn't expect it. It just

2334
02:09:18,440 --> 02:09:21,400
Speaker 6: was like oh, and it was business as normal. Instead

2335
02:09:21,400 --> 02:09:23,160
Speaker 6: of like, oh, what are you doing? Where are you going?

2336
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:26,480
Speaker 6: Like being really excited, it was just like, oh, nice

2337
02:09:26,520 --> 02:09:29,680
Speaker 6: to see you, you know, And I was I'm kind

2338
02:09:29,720 --> 02:09:31,280
Speaker 6: of like you where I was like, oh, I thought

2339
02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:36,840
Speaker 6: we were past that. I didn't. Also, I was going

2340
02:09:36,840 --> 02:09:38,520
Speaker 6: with my girlfriends, so I feel like they were like,

2341
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:42,360
Speaker 6: these two clearly are together, you know, people that know us,

2342
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:44,120
Speaker 6: even people that know because we were in all the

2343
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:47,640
Speaker 6: photos together, they were like, are you all together? I

2344
02:09:47,720 --> 02:09:52,600
Speaker 6: had no idea, and so they're just a couple of goals.

2345
02:09:53,720 --> 02:09:56,560
Speaker 6: We were friends. But it was just funny that we're traveling,

2346
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:59,200
Speaker 6: we're traveling without men, we're traveling together. You know, we're

2347
02:09:59,240 --> 02:10:01,440
Speaker 6: living the high life in Greece. Now I sound like

2348
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:08,120
Speaker 6: uma and uh, And I was so sad, you know,

2349
02:10:08,360 --> 02:10:11,240
Speaker 6: I had like built this like, oh you know, like

2350
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:13,400
Speaker 6: talking talking to the locals, and I want to say

2351
02:10:13,960 --> 02:10:16,400
Speaker 6: Mikons like that's also where I was, which we I

2352
02:10:16,440 --> 02:10:17,920
Speaker 6: remember turning to my friend, I'm like, there's so many

2353
02:10:17,960 --> 02:10:21,840
Speaker 6: gay bars here or so like everyone's gay U And

2354
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:24,520
Speaker 6: I was still cut off guard by their reaction. And

2355
02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:27,960
Speaker 6: I guess I'm just not. I haven't had to deal

2356
02:10:28,040 --> 02:10:29,720
Speaker 6: with that. You know, you think, like, oh, I come

2357
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:34,120
Speaker 6: out with this in Lubbock, you know, yeah, I'm going

2358
02:10:34,160 --> 02:10:37,200
Speaker 6: to get some looks. But I'm in Wiho or I'm

2359
02:10:37,240 --> 02:10:40,440
Speaker 6: in Mekons, like, I don't expect anyone to treat me differently.

2360
02:10:40,600 --> 02:10:44,240
Speaker 6: And yet and yet we are, we are seen, not

2361
02:10:44,360 --> 02:10:47,640
Speaker 6: even in La. You know, you can be there's hate

2362
02:10:47,640 --> 02:10:51,280
Speaker 6: crimes happening in La. So it was a it was

2363
02:10:51,320 --> 02:10:53,160
Speaker 6: a kind of a gut punch, And I agree with you.

2364
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:56,200
Speaker 6: I feel like I've been a little sheltered being in Hollywood.

2365
02:10:58,120 --> 02:11:01,480
Speaker 6: Not from comments I would say online, no, but just

2366
02:11:01,680 --> 02:11:05,400
Speaker 6: you know, you could you could be like half naked

2367
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:08,520
Speaker 6: and whatever, like on the street. I never no one's

2368
02:11:08,560 --> 02:11:11,920
Speaker 6: gonna look twice. But I forget that even where I

2369
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:14,840
Speaker 6: grew up in Texas, it's still a it's still a battle.

2370
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:22,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, how does it feel then to be to

2371
02:11:22,120 --> 02:11:24,520
Speaker 3: have this platform to tell this story that is joyful

2372
02:11:24,680 --> 02:11:27,240
Speaker 3: and about queer love and about two women who love

2373
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:30,040
Speaker 3: each other and a badass and and be putting that

2374
02:11:30,240 --> 02:11:32,000
Speaker 3: out in this space.

2375
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:36,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it feels it feels like I won,

2376
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:43,960
Speaker 6: I mean, getting paid to write queer stories. But you know,

2377
02:11:44,040 --> 02:11:46,000
Speaker 6: I had a tweet that was, like, the gay Agenda

2378
02:11:46,160 --> 02:11:48,880
Speaker 6: is just keeping us alive. Like everyone keeps talking about

2379
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:50,800
Speaker 6: the gay Agenda and Disney and the gay Agenda, and

2380
02:11:50,920 --> 02:11:52,840
Speaker 6: DC in the Gay Agenda, Marvel, and I'm like, we

2381
02:11:53,120 --> 02:11:56,080
Speaker 6: just exist, And like that's what I did with these two.

2382
02:11:56,160 --> 02:11:59,240
Speaker 6: They're not fucking talking about like they're just existing as

2383
02:11:59,240 --> 02:12:01,040
Speaker 6: a girlfrid They're having a fight that they would have

2384
02:12:01,880 --> 02:12:04,680
Speaker 6: any type of defining the relationship type of thing that

2385
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:07,360
Speaker 6: anyone goes through, whether you're queer or not. They're having

2386
02:12:07,400 --> 02:12:09,600
Speaker 6: a fight about it, you know, or they're they're you know,

2387
02:12:09,720 --> 02:12:14,880
Speaker 6: having some some misconceptions and miscommunication, and so it's it's

2388
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:17,920
Speaker 6: such a it's really difficult because there's a lot of

2389
02:12:18,040 --> 02:12:20,760
Speaker 6: talk about not queer baiting, you know, and not having

2390
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:24,120
Speaker 6: just queer characters, but not showing anything behind the scenes,

2391
02:12:24,200 --> 02:12:26,560
Speaker 6: not showing them being queer. But then a large part

2392
02:12:26,600 --> 02:12:28,440
Speaker 6: of me is like I just want them to exist

2393
02:12:29,160 --> 02:12:31,720
Speaker 6: and not be like you know, well, it's the same

2394
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:35,360
Speaker 6: thing I deal with with LATINX stories, where it's like

2395
02:12:35,480 --> 02:12:38,360
Speaker 6: I don't want to talk about deportage, you know, I

2396
02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:40,400
Speaker 6: just want you to go on a date and not

2397
02:12:40,520 --> 02:12:44,720
Speaker 6: talk about your parents like getting deported. And but it's

2398
02:12:44,760 --> 02:12:47,480
Speaker 6: hard because I want the storytellers who do want to

2399
02:12:47,480 --> 02:12:48,240
Speaker 6: talk about that be.

2400
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:53,160
Speaker 2: Able to you know, yeah, I struggle with that as well,

2401
02:12:53,720 --> 02:12:57,040
Speaker 2: in terms of you know, you know, like no one

2402
02:12:57,120 --> 02:13:00,680
Speaker 2: wants to to your point, no one wants. Everybody wants

2403
02:13:00,720 --> 02:13:04,120
Speaker 2: to just tell a story about people in love going

2404
02:13:04,120 --> 02:13:07,400
Speaker 2: about their day, living their life, unafraid to walk around

2405
02:13:07,400 --> 02:13:10,280
Speaker 2: and be themselves. And at the same time, man, does

2406
02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:15,440
Speaker 2: it feel ever more important sometimes to highlight Hey, this

2407
02:13:15,680 --> 02:13:18,760
Speaker 2: is here are the dangers, Here are the bad things

2408
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:21,800
Speaker 2: that happen. Here are the things people go through all

2409
02:13:21,880 --> 02:13:25,960
Speaker 2: the time when they are persecuted for loving a person.

2410
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:29,760
Speaker 1: It's just that's why.

2411
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that we have you on and we're

2412
02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:36,000
Speaker 2: talking about this story in this issue, because it's just,

2413
02:13:36,280 --> 02:13:40,360
Speaker 2: you know, again, stuff that felt like I personally took

2414
02:13:40,400 --> 02:13:43,280
Speaker 2: it for granted, the progress that had been made over

2415
02:13:43,320 --> 02:13:47,880
Speaker 2: the last several years and decades now feels like, man,

2416
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:50,120
Speaker 2: all this stuff can go away. So now we have

2417
02:13:50,240 --> 02:13:54,200
Speaker 2: to like hustle backwards talk about stuff that had seemed

2418
02:13:54,280 --> 02:13:57,919
Speaker 2: one a few years ago, and even maybe even subjects

2419
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:02,320
Speaker 2: that you know, we felt like we were storytellers had

2420
02:14:02,360 --> 02:14:04,600
Speaker 2: moved past, and now it's time to tell those stories again.

2421
02:14:05,600 --> 02:14:07,040
Speaker 2: That's why I'm so happy.

2422
02:14:06,840 --> 02:14:08,440
Speaker 1: That we have you on Well.

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02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:10,360
Speaker 6: One thing I do want to say, though, is I

2424
02:14:10,600 --> 02:14:15,480
Speaker 6: would just encourage any storytellers that come from a marginalized background,

2425
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:19,920
Speaker 6: obviously if you feel called to that story one hundred percent.

2426
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:21,000
Speaker 6: We need those stories.

2427
02:14:21,280 --> 02:14:21,520
Speaker 2: To me.

2428
02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:24,600
Speaker 6: I had to start checking myself of why, Like when

2429
02:14:24,600 --> 02:14:26,400
Speaker 6: you said it was so important to educate it, so

2430
02:14:26,720 --> 02:14:28,200
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, who am I writing this for?

2431
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2432
02:14:29,360 --> 02:14:33,040
Speaker 6: Do my people need to see more trauma? I don't know,

2433
02:14:33,800 --> 02:14:36,320
Speaker 6: they know it do, But is that a part of

2434
02:14:36,360 --> 02:14:36,880
Speaker 6: that story?

2435
02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:37,240
Speaker 1: Sure?

2436
02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:39,680
Speaker 6: That's why it's such there's no I want whoever's listening.

2437
02:14:39,880 --> 02:14:41,240
Speaker 6: There is no correct answer.

2438
02:14:41,400 --> 02:14:42,280
Speaker 1: There's no correct answer.

2439
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:44,600
Speaker 6: It's just when you feel like, well I need to

2440
02:14:44,640 --> 02:14:46,400
Speaker 6: speak on this because they need to be seeing it,

2441
02:14:46,520 --> 02:14:47,120
Speaker 6: who is they?

2442
02:14:50,240 --> 02:14:50,280
Speaker 1: No?

2443
02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:53,880
Speaker 6: But seriously, A lot when we're talking about black and

2444
02:14:53,960 --> 02:14:57,680
Speaker 6: brown trauma. When you're talking about that, it's like, do

2445
02:14:57,880 --> 02:15:01,360
Speaker 6: they need like, do your own peepeople need to see that?

2446
02:15:02,040 --> 02:15:04,520
Speaker 6: And maybe your answer at the time is yes. Maybe

2447
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:06,880
Speaker 6: the answer at your time is no, I actually just

2448
02:15:06,920 --> 02:15:09,320
Speaker 6: want to focus on black joy. I just want to

2449
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:12,080
Speaker 6: focus on brown excellence. I just want to focus on

2450
02:15:12,280 --> 02:15:15,880
Speaker 6: you know, it's like you should be allowed the range, though,

2451
02:15:16,040 --> 02:15:19,480
Speaker 6: I really want to say that, And so I had

2452
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:22,040
Speaker 6: to start checking myself of like why do I feel

2453
02:15:22,120 --> 02:15:24,840
Speaker 6: if I'm having an immigration story, who am I teaching

2454
02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:26,360
Speaker 6: this to? And why do I feel they need to

2455
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:26,680
Speaker 6: see this?

2456
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:28,200
Speaker 1: Is it for my people?

2457
02:15:28,280 --> 02:15:31,560
Speaker 6: They're very aware of this, so who And that's fine.

2458
02:15:32,120 --> 02:15:37,080
Speaker 6: But I think it's having that conversation of our responsibilities,

2459
02:15:38,320 --> 02:15:42,280
Speaker 6: our platforms, and what you actually want to do. Like

2460
02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:44,560
Speaker 6: when I look at how many white group of friends

2461
02:15:44,720 --> 02:15:47,960
Speaker 6: just dicking around, like I want to write a story

2462
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:51,200
Speaker 6: about my my dumb ass friends in college dicking around

2463
02:15:52,040 --> 02:15:56,320
Speaker 6: simply dicking around, just dicking around, you know, sitting on

2464
02:15:56,440 --> 02:16:00,160
Speaker 6: people's faces, dicking their dicks in places, and like know,

2465
02:16:00,400 --> 02:16:03,520
Speaker 6: just having fun. There's a lot of drama that comes

2466
02:16:03,600 --> 02:16:05,920
Speaker 6: with that. There's a lot of juiciness you know that

2467
02:16:06,040 --> 02:16:11,520
Speaker 6: can come with that that isn't necessarily related to hate crimes.

2468
02:16:11,760 --> 02:16:15,120
Speaker 6: And so this this is gonna sound like I'm against them,

2469
02:16:15,120 --> 02:16:17,560
Speaker 6: I'm not. I sold a show that was about trauma,

2470
02:16:17,680 --> 02:16:20,640
Speaker 6: that was about suicide. It was about my life, and

2471
02:16:20,840 --> 02:16:25,760
Speaker 6: so I definitely have written about trauma. But I also

2472
02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:29,560
Speaker 6: want the luxury of not of not even looking at

2473
02:16:29,640 --> 02:16:33,920
Speaker 6: that sometimes. So I'm glad that both can exist, and

2474
02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:37,880
Speaker 6: I really want marginalized groups to be able to have

2475
02:16:38,120 --> 02:16:38,800
Speaker 6: both exist.

2476
02:16:39,320 --> 02:16:41,360
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just gonna just because i want to know this,

2477
02:16:41,560 --> 02:16:44,240
Speaker 3: this is okay, I'm really glad one, I'm really glad

2478
02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:47,080
Speaker 3: that we had you on. But like you know, talking

2479
02:16:47,080 --> 02:16:50,880
Speaker 3: about queer Supero is talking about your space, your platform,

2480
02:16:51,240 --> 02:16:53,600
Speaker 3: the stories you want to tell. Who is like the

2481
02:16:53,680 --> 02:16:55,560
Speaker 3: Supero that you would most like to play?

2482
02:16:56,280 --> 02:17:02,200
Speaker 6: Oh gosh, you know, I look the most. I feel

2483
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:06,040
Speaker 6: like Jessica Cruz. So I like, have fans do art

2484
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:09,800
Speaker 6: and they've sent me art. This probably not like I

2485
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:11,400
Speaker 6: don't know how I look now, but there are definitely

2486
02:17:11,480 --> 02:17:13,760
Speaker 6: times in photo shoots where like we have the same

2487
02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:19,200
Speaker 6: jaw so her I mean also another DC. Yeah, I

2488
02:17:19,360 --> 02:17:22,800
Speaker 6: think I'm trying to think of other ones, but she

2489
02:17:22,959 --> 02:17:25,520
Speaker 6: is the one that comes to mind the most so,

2490
02:17:26,320 --> 02:17:29,920
Speaker 6: and she's also a trauma survivor. Every superhero is a

2491
02:17:29,959 --> 02:17:30,960
Speaker 6: trauma survivor.

2492
02:17:32,480 --> 02:17:35,560
Speaker 2: Every single there's not every single one. There's not a

2493
02:17:35,640 --> 02:17:39,760
Speaker 2: single one that that is not that, which is honestly,

2494
02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:42,280
Speaker 2: you know a lot of what I love about the

2495
02:17:42,360 --> 02:17:45,560
Speaker 2: genre and fantasy stories and sci fi stories because it's

2496
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:50,760
Speaker 2: a lot about finding power from traumatic events and taking

2497
02:17:50,840 --> 02:17:55,960
Speaker 2: ownership of that and repurposing that, you know, under your

2498
02:17:56,000 --> 02:17:59,280
Speaker 2: own agency, taking those things that happen to you and

2499
02:17:59,400 --> 02:18:02,720
Speaker 2: making them or power. Yeah, it's just a very compelling

2500
02:18:03,600 --> 02:18:06,160
Speaker 2: idea that I think we all wish we could do

2501
02:18:06,600 --> 02:18:07,560
Speaker 2: as we move through life.

2502
02:18:07,840 --> 02:18:11,600
Speaker 3: M hmm, yeah, yeah, I love that. That was very good, Jason.

2503
02:18:14,040 --> 02:18:17,960
Speaker 3: So have you watched Miss Marvel yet? Mm hmmm, And

2504
02:18:18,120 --> 02:18:19,480
Speaker 3: what are you feeling about it?

2505
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:20,800
Speaker 1: I loved it.

2506
02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:26,600
Speaker 6: I saw it at the premiere. They showed us to episodes,

2507
02:18:26,640 --> 02:18:28,280
Speaker 6: so those are the I think I'm caught up now

2508
02:18:28,360 --> 02:18:36,119
Speaker 6: with everybody. Gosh, it is so refreshing, and I love

2509
02:18:36,200 --> 02:18:38,880
Speaker 6: the fact that it feels different than any of the

2510
02:18:38,959 --> 02:18:43,880
Speaker 6: other properties it. Honestly, the risks that they took and

2511
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:47,360
Speaker 6: incorporating animation and things like that and the editing, which

2512
02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:49,320
Speaker 6: I want to shout out to the editors don't always

2513
02:18:49,320 --> 02:18:52,400
Speaker 6: get as much love, but like editing, the directing, like

2514
02:18:52,600 --> 02:18:56,960
Speaker 6: the writing, all of it, the acting top notch. It

2515
02:18:57,080 --> 02:19:01,600
Speaker 6: reminded me kind of of what mar Slash Sony is

2516
02:19:01,680 --> 02:19:05,520
Speaker 6: doing over in the Spider Verse with getting to play

2517
02:19:06,720 --> 02:19:10,080
Speaker 6: with Miles Morales and like different types of animation and pulling.

2518
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:11,320
Speaker 6: You know, we saw a little bit of that in

2519
02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:13,200
Speaker 6: Doctor Strange as well, like when they were going through

2520
02:19:13,240 --> 02:19:17,760
Speaker 6: the different universes. But I just love that, like take risks,

2521
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:22,000
Speaker 6: you know, have fun, do something different than what we're seeing.

2522
02:19:22,360 --> 02:19:25,160
Speaker 6: And I really feel like they're doing that. They have

2523
02:19:25,280 --> 02:19:27,560
Speaker 6: a lot of social commentary, you know that they had

2524
02:19:27,600 --> 02:19:31,760
Speaker 6: in the comic that is that has stayed and possibly more,

2525
02:19:32,360 --> 02:19:34,960
Speaker 6: you know, they might possibly even have more, And I

2526
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:38,320
Speaker 6: think that's so necessary. I think that's really cool. I

2527
02:19:38,360 --> 02:19:40,440
Speaker 6: think it's really cool that Disney is having them do that.

2528
02:19:41,000 --> 02:19:43,000
Speaker 1: And I love it.

2529
02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. We loved it so much. And

2530
02:19:45,959 --> 02:19:48,600
Speaker 3: I love those aspects, like the way they build comics

2531
02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:51,360
Speaker 3: are and cartooning and all that kind of stuff into

2532
02:19:51,360 --> 02:19:55,240
Speaker 3: the production design is so inventive and fun. And yeah,

2533
02:19:55,240 --> 02:19:57,480
Speaker 3: I actually wrote a piece recently where I was like,

2534
02:19:57,959 --> 02:20:01,120
Speaker 3: she's definitely the MCU's first like for fledged cartoonist. But

2535
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:04,120
Speaker 3: I had to shout out Miles because that was the

2536
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:08,440
Speaker 3: experimental space that made a young superhero an artist. And

2537
02:20:08,840 --> 02:20:10,520
Speaker 3: you know that's so key, and I love that because

2538
02:20:10,560 --> 02:20:12,720
Speaker 3: in the comics they're friends, so I imagine that if

2539
02:20:12,760 --> 02:20:15,240
Speaker 3: they ever meet in the MCU, they'll be like making

2540
02:20:15,240 --> 02:20:18,520
Speaker 3: a jam comic together or something like doing a mural.

2541
02:20:19,640 --> 02:20:20,240
Speaker 6: So cute.

2542
02:20:20,480 --> 02:20:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and our other big show that we're talking about

2543
02:20:23,000 --> 02:20:24,960
Speaker 3: a lot is Obi Wan And I know you are

2544
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:28,920
Speaker 3: a Star Wars lover, so yeah, you have you been

2545
02:20:28,959 --> 02:20:29,640
Speaker 3: watching Obi one?

2546
02:20:29,720 --> 02:20:32,040
Speaker 6: Yes, our friend Christina Aril is in it.

2547
02:20:32,520 --> 02:20:34,840
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I really should keet that one on the

2548
02:20:34,920 --> 02:20:35,680
Speaker 3: DLO as well.

2549
02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:43,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's an Nda Nda. Yeah, so she's in it.

2550
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:49,000
Speaker 6: Moses is obviously amazing, And yeah, I'm really excited for

2551
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:53,320
Speaker 6: this next chapter in Star Wars. I'm super excited for

2552
02:20:53,480 --> 02:20:57,520
Speaker 6: Andorra as well. And just like I was on at celebration,

2553
02:20:57,720 --> 02:21:00,840
Speaker 6: I was on a panel about Latino in Space and

2554
02:21:00,920 --> 02:21:04,480
Speaker 6: I'm just like, we are taking over excited about Rosario

2555
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:13,120
Speaker 6: as leads. So yeah, but I uh, same thing. I'm

2556
02:21:13,160 --> 02:21:15,960
Speaker 6: I'm I'm I'm curious to see what else they have

2557
02:21:16,200 --> 02:21:17,920
Speaker 6: up there up their sleeve.

2558
02:21:18,840 --> 02:21:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's very exciting time if you love this stuff.

2559
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:28,320
Speaker 3: Tiring time, it's a lot of TV old time, but

2560
02:21:28,440 --> 02:21:31,320
Speaker 3: he's really exciting. Danny, thank you so much for coming

2561
02:21:31,360 --> 02:21:33,480
Speaker 3: on Extra Vision and talking to us about all this

2562
02:21:33,640 --> 02:21:34,600
Speaker 3: amazing stuff.

2563
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:36,040
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.

2564
02:21:36,400 --> 02:21:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was such a joy. And where can people

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Speaker 3: find you? And what do you have to plug? Just

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Speaker 3: tell us everything.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm at miss Danny Fernandez. It's ms d A

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Speaker 6: n I F E R n A N D E

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Speaker 6: Z and pick up DC Pride twenty twenty two, got

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Speaker 6: my girls in it. So also our friend Stephanie Williams,

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Speaker 6: she did Nubia, Yes, and she has a new new

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Speaker 6: bea comic out. But you get to see them wrestling.

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Speaker 1: So hella hella. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: She was also like, what can I do? I bet? Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you know, we just we're just we're just pushing our

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Speaker 6: hot girl agenda. That's all. That's the agenda.

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Speaker 1: So Danny, thank you so much for joining us. Thank

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Speaker 1: you up next nerd Out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in today's nerd Out, where you tell us what

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02:22:32,840 --> 02:22:35,720
Speaker 2: you love and why, Micah pitches us on Pixar's Toy

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Speaker 2: Story franchise to mark the release of the latest film

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Speaker 2: in that franchise, Light Year Out.

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Speaker 7: Now my name is Micah and my nerd out isn't

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02:22:43,959 --> 02:22:47,200
Speaker 7: exactly an obscure property, nor is it especially new, but

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Speaker 7: it's something that I just redove into and it really

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Speaker 7: blew my mind. This time around, I'd encourage everyone to

2587
02:22:52,280 --> 02:22:55,360
Speaker 7: give it a second or third, or hell, maybe even fifteenth. Look,

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Speaker 7: I'm talking about one of the greatest movie franchises ever made.

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Speaker 7: Toy Story. The first movie deals with external threats as

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Speaker 7: what he tries fending off his perceived enemy in Buzz.

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Speaker 7: At the start, what he is Andy's favorite, and there's

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Speaker 7: zero competition in that regard. As such, Woody has never

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02:23:10,400 --> 02:23:13,200
Speaker 7: had to undergo any meaningful introspection since he has yet

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02:23:13,240 --> 02:23:16,920
Speaker 7: to face any significant hurdles or setbacks. Buzz's arrival up

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Speaker 7: ends what he's position and reacts the way many of

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Speaker 7: us respond to external threats with pouting, jealousy, and rage.

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Speaker 7: When he kind of inadvertently knocks Buzz out the window,

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Speaker 7: his immediate concern isn't for the harmful act he just committed. Rather,

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Speaker 7: it's for himself, and now he'll be perceived by the

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Speaker 7: rest of Andy's toys. However, by the film's final scene,

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Speaker 7: the gang anxiously awaits to hear what new toys Andy

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Speaker 7: has received for Christmas, But now it's Woody who was

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Speaker 7: seen casually lounging while Buzz is visibly anxious what he's

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Speaker 7: grown comfortable in his standing, still prideful of being one

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Speaker 7: of Andy's favorites, but no longer needing to be the

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Speaker 7: unquestioned alpha. The second movie moves the crisis inward as

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Speaker 7: what he has to decide whether he wants to abandon

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Speaker 7: his friends to be preserved for all posterity in the museum,

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Speaker 7: or stay with them as Andy grows, even with the

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Speaker 7: knowledge their time together will ultimately end. The manipulative Stinky

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Speaker 7: Pete tells him, do you really think Andy is going

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Speaker 7: to take you to college or on his honeymoon? Andy's

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Speaker 7: growing up and there's nothing you can do about it.

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Speaker 7: It's your choice, Woody. You can go back, or you

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Speaker 7: can stay with us and last forever. Earlier in the film,

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Speaker 7: he's confronted with his own mortality and then actual aging process,

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Speaker 7: as an accidental rip of Woody's arm led him to

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Speaker 7: fear that he is damaged beyond repair. Additionally, in this film,

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Speaker 7: he learns he has no ordinary toy, but actually the

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Speaker 7: legendary leader of the famed Roundup Gang, and if he

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Speaker 7: chooses to embrace this side of himself, he will indeed

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Speaker 7: live forever emblazoned as an icon for generations of children

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Speaker 7: to gaze at, albeit from behind glass. The third movie

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Speaker 7: deals to difficulties of aging and the inevitable change that

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Speaker 7: comes with that. For most of the Toy Story experience,

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Speaker 7: Woody is our proxy and our guide, our entry into

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Speaker 7: this mysterious and magical little world. But the end of

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Speaker 7: the film, we are all Andy. Whether you grew up

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Speaker 7: with the toy story films or they mostly predate you,

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Speaker 7: or you came to them later in life as an

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Speaker 7: already grown adult, we all recognize the confusing confluence of

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Speaker 7: emotions Andy feels as he prepares for a new chapter

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Speaker 7: in his life. Andy's ready for the next step, as

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Speaker 7: evidenced by his gifting of his toys to Bonnie, except

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Speaker 7: he's not entirely ready. There's one toy he is not

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Speaker 7: ready to part ways with, his beloved share of Cowboy Doll.

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Speaker 7: When Bonnie reaches toward Woody, Andy instinctively withdraws his hand

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Speaker 7: as if to say no, not that I'm not ready

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Speaker 7: to leave that part of me behind, but ultimately, of course,

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Speaker 7: he realizes he is ready. And arguably my favorite ever

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Speaker 7: cinematic shot, we see Woody centered in the frame as

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Speaker 7: Andy holds him by one arm while passing him to Bonnie,

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Speaker 7: who grasps his other arm. Andy has learned to move on,

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Speaker 7: and Woody and the gang have accepted, no embraced their

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Speaker 7: new beginning as well. Andy's final gasp as he waves

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Speaker 7: goodbye reminds us that new adventures will not always be easy,

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Speaker 7: but he will indeed be okay, and so will we.

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Speaker 7: And finally, the fourth film, the one that yields most

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02:25:51,200 --> 02:25:54,120
Speaker 7: wildly varying opinions, the one that I've grown to truly love,

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Speaker 7: examines what we do once to be achieved everything we

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02:25:56,600 --> 02:25:59,200
Speaker 7: set out to achieve, How do we continually find purpose

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02:25:59,240 --> 02:26:01,200
Speaker 7: in this world? Or past our prime? And has met

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02:26:01,200 --> 02:26:03,959
Speaker 7: our goals? Towards the end of this film, after saving

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Speaker 7: Gabby Gabby and gifting or his voicebox what he prepares

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02:26:06,800 --> 02:26:09,040
Speaker 7: to part ways with bo Peepe. He goes to be

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Speaker 7: joined Buzz, who, upon seeing the hesitation of what He's

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Speaker 7: face delivers arguably his most poignant line of the entire series.

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Speaker 7: Shall be okay, Bonnie will be okay in saying this,

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Speaker 7: Buzz on us Boody to truly break free from the

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Speaker 7: hold the past has on him, to enable him to

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02:26:23,560 --> 02:26:27,840
Speaker 7: journey onwards. His long years spanning journey towards self actualization

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02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:32,039
Speaker 7: is complete. It's some deeply philosophical stuff. There isn't light

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Speaker 7: Year film on the horizon. But before you soar into

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Speaker 7: the cosmos with Buzz, i'd recommend taking a look back

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Speaker 7: to the franchise that kick the whole picks our universe

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02:26:39,640 --> 02:26:42,160
Speaker 7: off and see it take some pieces of plastic to

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Speaker 7: explore our humanity to our fullest extent, to infinity and beyond.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Michael for submitting. If you want to be featured,

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02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:50,959
Speaker 2: send your nerd out pitch to x rayac Cricket dot com.

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Speaker 2: Instructions in the show notes, Big thanks to Danny Fernandez,

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Speaker 2: and of course big thanks to Rosie Knight for hosting

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Speaker 2: this episode with me. Rosie Plugs, Plugs, plugs, what do

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Speaker 2: you have to plug?

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Speaker 3: You can still unbelievably excitingly, you can still pre order

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Speaker 3: my Godzilla comic and when this episode comes out, there

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02:27:12,480 --> 02:27:15,800
Speaker 3: will be an exclusive preview of that Godzilla comic on

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Speaker 3: nerdest dot com where you can see some of Oliver

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Speaker 3: Ono's amazing art. And you can find me at Rosie Marx.

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Speaker 3: That's my Instagram and my letterboxed and then you can

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Speaker 3: find me here talking about all this good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yes, folks, you want to check out our videos on

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Speaker 2: the Uncultured YouTube channel, You got to do it. Check

2683
02:27:37,560 --> 02:27:39,959
Speaker 2: the show notes for the listener's guide to X ray Vision,

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02:27:39,959 --> 02:27:41,840
Speaker 2: where we provide more details and all the things that

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02:27:41,920 --> 02:27:42,840
Speaker 2: we talk about in the show.

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Speaker 1: Catch the next episode on June twenty fourth, when we

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Speaker 1: will continue to dive into the feast of content with

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Speaker 1: Workodobie and Miss Marble. See you next time.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget five star ratings on all the platforms where

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Speaker 2: you could give us ratings. Either give us no review

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Speaker 2: or a five star review. Those are your two choices.

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Speaker 2: That's the diad, that's the light and the dark of it,

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Speaker 2: the light being five star reviews. X ray Vision is

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Speaker 2: a Crooked Media production. The show is produced by Chris

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02:28:09,920 --> 02:28:11,959
Speaker 2: Lord and Sol Rubin. The show is executive produced by

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02:28:12,040 --> 02:28:14,720
Speaker 2: myself and Sandy Road are editing and sound designers.

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02:28:14,720 --> 02:28:16,480
Speaker 1: By Vascillis Photopoulos.

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02:28:16,320 --> 02:28:19,840
Speaker 2: Dilon Villanueva and Matt de Group provide video production support.

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02:28:19,959 --> 02:28:23,080
Speaker 2: Alex Wellaford handle social media. Thank you Brian Vasquez for

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Speaker 2: a theme music.

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Speaker 1: See you next time.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, Everyone, the Empire is here with approximately five hundred

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Speaker 2: heavily armed stormtroopers. There's an imperial ship up there with

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02:28:43,360 --> 02:28:48,000
Speaker 2: enough firepower to turn us all to ash. They have

2705
02:28:48,120 --> 02:28:52,959
Speaker 2: a heavy blaster which, once screwed into the ground, will

2706
02:28:53,040 --> 02:28:56,680
Speaker 2: pound through our blast doors in something like ten or

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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. But of course that doesn't matter because they

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02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:04,640
Speaker 2: have two lightsaber wielders who can easily cut through the blastors.

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Speaker 1: Obi wan uh are you getting to the part where

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02:29:10,440 --> 02:29:11,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna win this?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 1: Hold on, no, please don't interrupt me. I'm losing my

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02:29:15,560 --> 02:29:16,160
Speaker 1: train of thought.

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Speaker 2: Okay, once they get in here, if we try and

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02:29:20,760 --> 02:29:24,400
Speaker 2: stand and fight them, we're fucking done. They're gonna cut

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Speaker 2: us up like sushi. My friends, We're dead. Just who's crying?

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Speaker 2: Stop that child from crying. I'm trying to make an

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02:29:31,320 --> 02:29:34,080
Speaker 2: imported announcement about the dangers we face.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, though, because I have a plan. Here's the plan.

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Speaker 1: Run Run for your lives. Run to the ships.

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Speaker 2: Get out of here now while you still survive.