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Speaker 1: Your tunes about drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: I played those sounders backwards there, Matt, coming into the segment.

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Speaker 2: Justin's job, man, You're supposed to play the drive bumper

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Speaker 2: first and then the music because the drive bumper has

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Speaker 2: music underneath of it already.

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Speaker 3: But it's pre season for everybody.

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Speaker 4: That's with bumper's little I know about it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, things that say, you know the drive and Steelers

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Speaker 2: station radio and in the locker room and all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those are those are called bumpers, if you will.

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Speaker 4: And maybe got that on a multiple choice test, but

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure I could have gone on a film.

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Speaker 3: Fill in the blank. Yeh, that's all right.

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Speaker 2: I always preferred multiple choice tests as well too, even

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Speaker 2: a tru or false that'd be even better.

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Speaker 4: Matt.

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Speaker 2: It is preseason for everybody. We've got a lot to

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Speaker 2: get to today. Yeah, some Steelers news, some NFL news,

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Speaker 2: But I think we start obviously with the preseason game

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Speaker 2: that the Steelers just played this past Saturday, Yes, at

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Speaker 2: home against Tampa Bay Buccaneers, falling seventeen to fourteen on

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Speaker 2: the final play of the game, falling behind early able

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Speaker 2: to get back in it a game that man, it

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Speaker 2: felt like a lot happened, but at the same time,

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Speaker 2: really not much happened.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm gonna get this other way just so

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Speaker 5: I don't forget in the next two hours. But we're

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Speaker 5: coming at you today Monday, obviously, oh yeah, thank you. Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 5: I am actually pullback curtain, right often pull back curtain.

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Speaker 5: I'm getting up early, driving my son to the University

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Speaker 5: of Kentucky, which is like five and a half hours away,

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Speaker 5: dumping him there, and then driving home alone.

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Speaker 3: So it's gonna be like this, So you're just doing

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Speaker 3: a day trip.

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Speaker 5: We were gonna go Tuesday night and he's like, I

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Speaker 5: want one more night with my girlfriend at home.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, all right, dude, but that's twelve hours

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Speaker 4: of driving for dad.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot for twelve hours of driving, plus the

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Speaker 2: you know, moving all this stuff into a dorm room.

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Speaker 5: So Wednesday, I am you will not hear from me

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Speaker 5: even on Twitter, folks. And then Thursday's game day. Friday,

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Speaker 5: we'll be back here breaking down the game. And that's

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Speaker 5: our week.

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Speaker 3: That's our week.

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Speaker 2: That's our schedule this week Monday, Tuesday, Friday, uh and

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Speaker 2: It works out well with you being gone Wednesday, because.

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Speaker 3: I got a I gotta drop on.

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Speaker 2: I gotta hop on a plane to Charlotte to do

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Speaker 2: my my game day engineering duties. So three shows this

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Speaker 2: week and plenty to get to and yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: be a lot of fun, albeit a long day for

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Speaker 2: you to Lexington and back here in the.

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Speaker 5: Middle of the week listening to podcasts and being a

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Speaker 5: little sad that the old sonny Boy's gone. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, man,

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Speaker 5: let's talk about this game. We got a lot to

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Speaker 5: talk about the day in general. There's stuff going on,

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Speaker 5: the absolutely the little trades that happened. I mean, there's

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Speaker 5: all kinds of stuff going.

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Speaker 4: On right now.

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Speaker 3: So Steelers fell behind early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bucks score not on their opening drive, but on

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Speaker 2: their second and third drives of the game to go

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Speaker 2: up fourteen to nothing. Steelers able to claw back in it.

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Speaker 2: But Matt, listen, I mean, I know there's some individuals

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Speaker 2: and players that we have to talk about, of course,

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Speaker 2: but it also again for being kind of a back

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Speaker 2: uneventful in some ways.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say it's not going to be one

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Speaker 4: Alone during the regular season.

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Speaker 5: Be like, man, remember that Great Bucks game in the preseason,

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Speaker 5: and but the overriding things I want to talk about

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Speaker 5: first is give them credit.

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Speaker 4: To you know, like Steelers lost.

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Speaker 5: I honestly don't even really care what the score is,

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Speaker 5: but it was a pretty even game all in all.

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Speaker 5: I thought Bridgewater played like a veteran good quarterback that

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Speaker 5: isn't challenged much. By the preseason. They played almost all

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Speaker 5: Steelers sat way more people than that, and we're basically

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Speaker 5: competitive slash equal. All in all, I think the two

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Speaker 5: touchdowns the Steelers allowed the Bridgewater touchdown throws are noteworthy

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Speaker 5: in that it's Bucky Irving, who had a really good

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Speaker 5: rookie year and he totally I know we'll talk to

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Speaker 5: fantasy in the future, but he's a second round fantasy

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Speaker 5: a big producer. He's a good receiver. One on one

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Speaker 5: against Peyton Wilson. Sometimes good players make good plays, you

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Speaker 5: know what I mean. Bridgewater drops it right in the bucket.

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Speaker 5: Wilson probably could have got his head around earlier, but

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Speaker 5: he's one of the better. He's a top ten running back.

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Speaker 5: The other touchdown is Igbuca, who is the talk of

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Speaker 5: Bucks camp, mid first round pick him, love them, love them.

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Speaker 5: And it wasn't awful coverage either by Eccles and probably

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Speaker 5: So, okay, two of their impressive players that frankly were

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Speaker 5: you basically. Then, big picture thinking here, Steels turned the

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Speaker 5: especially with their backup offensive line. They missed a field

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Speaker 5: So you basically turned the ball over five times. And

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Speaker 5: all in all, you hung with a team that frankly

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Speaker 4: So that's my big picture takeaway.

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Speaker 2: You know, two for twelve on third downs didn't help

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Speaker 2: a big part of this defense that Shai.

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Speaker 3: It was a great It was a perfect throw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I know that you know it is

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Speaker 2: Teddy Bridgewater, who a lot of people can say just

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Speaker 5: But he started a ton of games there was no

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Speaker 5: coverage to break down. It's a one on one pressman

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Speaker 4: Can I make the throw? Yeah, He's gonna do it

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Speaker 2: I also like too, how the offense I thought their

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Speaker 2: fourteen nothing, yeah, ensuing dry, ensuing drive. They go three

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Speaker 2: I think if I'm remembering correctly, You're right, Yeah, what

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Speaker 2: were your your takeaways? Your thoughts on him is I mean,

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Speaker 2: this for the second time this preseason.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I thought Rudolph played quite well again minus

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Speaker 5: an interception that he I'm sure he wishes he could

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Speaker 5: I think he's definitely one of the players worth highlighting

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Speaker 4: Two catches.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he wasn't out there a ton, but there's

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Speaker 5: still only two catches. But I think just try I

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Speaker 5: don't forget late in the game, I thought a lot

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Speaker 5: get aided by the quarterback play very much. After Skyler

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Speaker 5: Thompson went out, you know, noticeably, you know, Woodside's not

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Speaker 5: an NFL quarterback probably and you know that showed up.

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Speaker 5: But Wilson, I think more than the numbers or even

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Speaker 5: the big plays, I think our listeners probably now have

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Speaker 5: a better idea of what they expect out of him

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Speaker 5: and Mike Pursuda and I really talked about it a

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Speaker 5: a lot of inbreakers and crossers and things like that

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Speaker 5: quarterbacks aren't big on those type of routes. And Wilson

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Speaker 5: you don't have to be a J. Brown size or

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Speaker 4: He's good after the catch and you know.

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Speaker 2: And that that part there is we know is paramount

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Speaker 2: run game without a doubt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like what we're seeing again, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk a little bit later. Is it sounds like

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Speaker 2: Dave Davis is making his way to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 4: For schefter.

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Speaker 3: Hit play here, so we'll talk.

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Speaker 2: A little bit more about wide receivers in that position group.

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Speaker 2: Whatever Roman Wilson's ultimate role is going to be when

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Speaker 2: we get to September and the regular season begins, you

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Speaker 2: need him to emerge, right, I mean, whether he's your two,

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Speaker 2: need something from him. So that's been good to see.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of Caleb Johnson as well too?

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Speaker 2: Wanted to make sure to ask you about him. I

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Speaker 2: thought we saw some good that one supposed to run.

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Speaker 2: I thought we saw some bad as well too.

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Speaker 5: One other Roman Wilson note. I think that's important for

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Speaker 5: this particular game. You know, Metcalf's out, you know Austin's out,

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Speaker 5: so he's basically your top dog remaining. I think that

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Speaker 5: Tampa's number one secondary. I mean it's Winfield and McCollum,

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Speaker 5: and I mean that it's not a bad.

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Speaker 2: Groups guys that are going to be seeking other employment

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Speaker 4: Which brings me to Johnson. Now he.

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Speaker 5: I have mixed feelings about him, and I know that

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Speaker 4: Sure, but I think you're right on a perfect prospect

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Speaker 4: Not gonna get twenty.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then maybe it's just a'll more each week

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Speaker 4: They do and I do too.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the fact that.

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Speaker 5: He's getting rested to me speaks volumes of what they

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Speaker 2: And I think I think there was some of that

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Speaker 5: Maybe maybe because we do knew, we knew from day

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and he obviously barely did any any pass

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Speaker 2: I do want to just get your kind of final

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Speaker 3: At the stadium. By the way, I ended, I enjoyed that.

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Speaker 5: Our audience might laugh like I'm like a fish out

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Speaker 3: I had to go in postgame show.

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Speaker 2: I had to go in and tell Matt hey man,

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Speaker 2: there's a there's Caliente pizza and ice cream out there

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Speaker 4: Way too much.

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Speaker 5: While I was there to begin with, I mean, there's

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Speaker 4: I was starving when I got there. Was the problem.

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Speaker 5: I did the two hour pregame pre pregame here and

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Speaker 4: We're in the studio.

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Speaker 3: Out there, calient pizza out there.

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Speaker 4: I should try that. You know.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I gotta get all this equipment and set

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Speaker 4: When you're on the road, you it or be a plane.

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Speaker 2: All the internet better beyond point opinion, the wireless microphones

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Speaker 3: All that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Like I joke with my wife and with my buddies

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Speaker 5: Face evere time I go to the stadium. Every time

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Speaker 2: Yea, It's tough, Listen, it's tough having all this free

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Speaker 2: food around, all right. People don't understand more In the

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Speaker 2: we Shouler Matt Williamson. It's the Drive here on Steelers

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Speaker 2: Back on the Drive here on a Monday of a

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Speaker 2: new week, as we've got plenty to get to, including

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Speaker 2: obviously more thoughts from this preseason game number two.

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Speaker 3: Matt, what's that? Uh? What's that? Running back depth chart?

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Speaker 3: Starting to look like? We know, the top three are

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Speaker 5: But I think that's cutter and drier than it's ever Bet, Yes,

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Speaker 5: you know, like it's pretty in a long time.

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Speaker 4: Gain.

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Speaker 5: Well's the two guys. I know that people don't want

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Speaker 2: Right this minute, and that obviously is subject to change.

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Speaker 2: And this is kind of another just on the heels

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Speaker 5: Right, so, Dale, you said all every almost every shown

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Speaker 2: Right, I've seen a lot of people down on Caleb Johnson,

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Speaker 5: Not fair, And I hope impression was like, oh, he's

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: We you know, haven't even seen these guys in a

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Speaker 2: And again, they are allowed to get better, especially the rookies.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the head coach went out of his way

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Speaker 4: Just put it that way, you know.

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Speaker 2: Even the first round picks, you know, like even someone

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Speaker 3: There might be a stretch.

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Speaker 2: Of two or three games throughout the year where he's

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Speaker 3: That's he's not gonna twelve the National Football Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think these other backs are an interesting

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Speaker 2: I do as well, because I think there's been there's

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Speaker 3: He's not a true just.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was pretty excited, and not that I'm not,

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Speaker 4: You know. They were I think a third and fourth

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Speaker 5: I mean, these guys have been around. I don't think

443
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Speaker 5: either ones super accomplished on special teams. They were stars

444
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,560
Speaker 5: in the Big Ten, especially Hull, who was kind of

445
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,400
Speaker 5: like Johnson, had nobody else around him on a lesser team.

446
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 5: Ohio State's obviously a different story, but third round pick

447
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 5: and neither one is really eat it now. I both

448
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 5: think they've flashed since they've been here, and I could

449
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 5: definitely see a case for one or both being on

450
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Speaker 5: the practice squad. And I think this goes with was

451
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Speaker 5: Out saying there's a really good chance whoever number four

452
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 5: is in the packing order is going to be on

453
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Speaker 5: the active roster sometime in those seventeen games. Absolutely that

454
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 5: position doesn't see you're gonna.

455
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Speaker 3: Have a running back get banged up at some point.

456
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would.

457
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Speaker 5: Imagine Hurlman's really interesting to me, but I still think

458
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Speaker 5: he's much I would put it.

459
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Speaker 4: If I had to put him in a room, it

460
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Speaker 4: would be the wide receiver room.

461
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Speaker 5: I think he's more of a slot, you know, type

462
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Speaker 5: of player.

463
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Speaker 4: But I'm warming up the lou. I think Lo's hard

464
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Speaker 4: to tackle.

465
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think he's hard to tackle, and he

466
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Speaker 5: not that the other guys are easy, but every time

467
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Speaker 5: they give him the ball.

468
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Speaker 4: He gets more yardage than he should. You know, so

469
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 4: something he.

470
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Speaker 3: Said for that, I completely agree.

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think he fits the mold of maybe

472
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Speaker 2: a more well rounded game that you would that you

473
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Speaker 2: would want from the guy who's in the the guy

474
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Speaker 2: he was in your fourth spot. Like, I don't think

475
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Speaker 2: you want him to be a specialist. You want him

476
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Speaker 2: to be somebody that can, you know, morph into a

477
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Speaker 2: lot of different roles for you. Yeah, and I think

478
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Speaker 2: he's maybe got the most well rounded skill set of

479
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Speaker 2: any of the other.

480
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Speaker 4: Things the other guys. Yeah, that's probably true.

481
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 5: I'm not real sure about his receiving background. Maybe you

482
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Speaker 5: have a better clue about than I do. I need

483
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Speaker 5: to look into that more. I don't know a ton

484
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Speaker 5: of him running routes. I just kind of look at

485
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Speaker 5: him as a kind of a bowling ball, hard to tackle,

486
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 5: hard running guy, you know, And that to me could

487
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 5: get you a long way if he shows up in

488
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Speaker 5: week ten with week you know, with fresh legs after

489
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Speaker 5: not playing at all, and you know too, your top

490
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Speaker 5: three are heard.

491
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Speaker 4: At that point for a while, you know.

492
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you see a lot of these spark plug type

493
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Speaker 5: backs come in mid late in the regular season and

494
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Speaker 5: give you what you need.

495
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's you know, just twenty four years old.

496
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you.

497
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Speaker 2: Know, maybe hitting that kind of absolute running back pe

498
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Speaker 2: age there to follow.

499
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Speaker 3: Up on in the receiving game.

500
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Speaker 2: Obviously not really a sample size at the National Football

501
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Speaker 2: League level.

502
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Speaker 4: I didn't think so.

503
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Speaker 2: But his last two years at Central Michigan that's that's

504
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Speaker 2: where you know, that's where he went to school. His

505
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 2: last two years at Central Michigan. He had forty receptions

506
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Speaker 2: one year for three hundred and thirty eight yards and

507
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Speaker 2: two touchdowns.

508
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 3: Twenty one receptions for one hundred and twenty eight yards.

509
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 4: Okay, so pretty big numbers. Yeah.

510
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: In total, he had seventy one receiving yards for five

511
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Speaker 2: or seventy one receptions part of me for five hundred

512
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 2: and seventy five yards and three touchdowns when he was

513
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Speaker 2: in college, average of eight point one yards per reception. Okay,

514
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 2: I don't that's not other worldly, but he was certainly

515
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 2: involved in the past game in Central Michigan.

516
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Speaker 5: That and what I've seen of him implies to me

517
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Speaker 5: that he has reliable hands.

518
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Speaker 4: I don't think he's ever going to be.

519
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 5: Like I don't know if we've talked about this enough,

520
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 5: but watching Gainwell live, he runs a lot of wide

521
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,719
Speaker 5: receiver routes as a Pittsburgh Steeler split out from a slot,

522
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 5: even outside the numbers that Bucky Irving touchdown, Like, you

523
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 5: may see some of that with Gainwell split out wide

524
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Speaker 5: as a true wide receiver.

525
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Speaker 4: I don't think Lou's doing those things.

526
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Speaker 5: You know, but I think he can be a dump

527
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 5: off guy, a screen guy.

528
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's fine.

529
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 5: That's good enough, you know, absolutely sturdy, built for protection,

530
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 5: those type of things.

531
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you on that.

532
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 5: And so I think list his height and weight at

533
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 5: let's see here, he seems like a.

534
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Speaker 4: Bowling ball to me.

535
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: One second five.

536
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, that's the way he runs. He's low to

537
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 5: the ground and he's thickly built. I mean, so he

538
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 5: might be my favorite. But there's a little recency bias

539
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 5: there too.

540
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Speaker 3: There is there, absolutely is.

541
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Speaker 2: But certainly for all these guys a big final opportunity

542
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Speaker 2: here in a few days in Charlotte. Defensive side of

543
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Speaker 2: the football, Matt, anybody stand out to you? I felt

544
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: like Cole Holcombe was all over the place when he

545
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: was out there. He was one of the guys who

546
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Speaker 2: you know, two days later is still kind of is

547
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Speaker 2: fresh in my mind here. But I feel like we've

548
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: talked mostly about the offensive side of the football. Any

549
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: any defensive takeaways here on this preseason game.

550
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Speaker 4: Holkom's definitely a good one.

551
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Speaker 5: I thought he looked like a starter playing against backups

552
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 5: and especially at linebacker. I always think about that in

553
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 5: the preseason, Like I someone like him, if he played enough,

554
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 5: would clearly like lead the team and tackles in the preseason.

555
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 5: You know, he knows where people are gonna be. He's

556
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Speaker 5: a better around the block.

557
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Speaker 4: You know. So I thought he showed every bit of that,

558
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: and clearly he.

559
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Speaker 5: Is very healthy and exactly which is the best Wh's

560
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 5: the best part about him?

561
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Speaker 4: Harrimon's worth bringing up?

562
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

563
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he had a sack. He was impactful.

564
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Speaker 3: First first and only sack of the preseason so far.

565
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I thought about I was going to say,

566
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: got his name called a lot on Saturday night.

567
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think he's been a little late to the party.

568
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 5: He's an undrafted free agent, but he was a priority

569
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Speaker 5: one that they gave money to. So I think a

570
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 5: lot of us got a little more excited, like he's like,

571
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 5: he's really a fifth round pick. Well he wasn't, you know,

572
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 5: But I thought he'd do more his first couple of

573
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 5: weeks at camp. But lately I think he's coming on

574
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 5: strong and starting to understand the game at this.

575
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,239
Speaker 4: Level, you know.

576
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Speaker 5: So I would think he's probably your top practice squad safety,

577
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 5: and you're pretty happy about it, and a typical guy

578
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 5: like we've them, you and I have been talking about.

579
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Speaker 4: Is I want to see him at camp next year.

580
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Speaker 2: You know, Perfect He strikes me as like if he

581
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 2: if he has the chops, maybe like a next Miles

582
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: killer Brew type.

583
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. It's a great

584
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: role model for perfect.

585
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: Right, you spend a little time on the practice squad

586
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 2: and then eventually you become so valuable on teams.

587
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: You get a helmet on game day and you're kind of.

588
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 5: The fourth safety, four last special team captain exactly right, right,

589
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 5: exactly all day long.

590
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Speaker 3: He seems like he has the skill set, uh to

591
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Speaker 3: do that.

592
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think those are the guys on the

593
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Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball worth highlighting.

594
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Speaker 3: I thought Pierre was was very noticeable as well a lot.

595
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Speaker 3: I thought he played a lot and played well. Jack

596
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Speaker 3: Sawyer played a lot.

597
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: I feel like two games straight now and I feel like.

598
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Speaker 2: He's another one of those guys who and I'm I'm

599
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: bad with this, Matt. I should preface this by saying,

600
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: I realized Twitter. I realized X is not a real place,

601
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: especially man in like the last three or four years, right,

602
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 2: Like it is just everybody gets on there to complain

603
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: and whine and you know, and and and.

604
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: Talk about how angry they are all the time.

605
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: A few people know a thing or two, but yeah,

606
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: that Williams.

607
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: It's an NFL guys all right on there.

608
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of and a lot of times

609
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: I kind of roll my eyes because it's social media

610
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: in general when people say this, but there is there's

611
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 2: a lot of toxic nature of Twitter and x and

612
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: like I said, a lot of people kind of complaining

613
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 2: and coming down hard on Caleb Johnson. I think I

614
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 2: saw a little bit there with Jack Sawyer as well too.

615
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 2: And again, I know it's not a real place. That's

616
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Speaker 2: where people go to wine and complain, and it's like

617
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Speaker 2: when you go to Google reviews, right, the only people

618
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Speaker 2: that go on there to review something are people that

619
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Speaker 2: are angry.

620
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know the mindset when you go on is yeah.

621
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Speaker 2: But I feel like we saw a lot of Jack

622
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Speaker 2: Sawyer as well too. Where are you at with him?

623
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

624
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 5: And a lump Ley Owen with him a little because

625
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 5: they've both had to play a lot. Obviously, Watt and

626
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 5: Highsmith haven't played any of the preseason and then her

627
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 5: big they ended. I think he had one pass rush

628
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 5: and then they in the press boxer are like, well,

629
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 5: he's not coming back and Fortunately it looks like he

630
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 5: avoided any major. But so those guys, they've been kind

631
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 5: of light on game day at edge for both both

632
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 5: these games. And I think Sawyer is what he is,

633
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 5: and I think it's a good thing. People probably remember

634
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 5: I'm probably out there like you hated him coming out

635
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 5: of Ohio State. I didn't like him as a first

636
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 5: or second round pick. I mean everyone talked about him

637
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 5: like he was a top fifty pick all day long.

638
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 5: Where they got him made a ton of sense to

639
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 5: me as a power edge slash special teamer, and him

640
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 5: and Leo I thought both set the edge.

641
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 4: Well.

642
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 5: I know this isn't about Leo, but I don't know

643
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: where he fits in because he just doesn't have enough

644
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 5: juice off the edge. And I don't know that he'll

645
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 5: be a Steeler.

646
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 3: This year, might be might be that career cross with yeah.

647
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 5: Or he's to go to a different system and be

648
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 5: a four three end or whatever. And where Sawyer, I

649
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 5: think is where you want him in his career trajectory.

650
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 5: You know, he plays hard, he can be a little

651
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 5: high at times. I don't think he's ever going to

652
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 5: be a double digit sack dude, but he's going to

653
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 5: be a third outside linebacker, power player that plays more

654
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 5: against the Ravens than he does the Bengals.

655
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, and you play us.

656
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: Both a nice kind of uh maybe thunder to Nick

657
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: Krbig's lightning, you know, like, I think you need that

658
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: balance in your in your in your depth at edge.

659
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 5: And the other thing is that it's it's not this offseason,

660
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 5: but it's the off season from now. I don't know

661
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 5: how you can pay her big, you know, like people

662
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 5: have to uys are thinking about the stuff.

663
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: When your team buildings, got a lot of money invested

664
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Speaker 3: in the edge.

665
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Speaker 5: And he hits you open market, He's gonna make a

666
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Speaker 5: lot of money. I mean, people are gonna look at

667
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Speaker 5: him like he's a double digit sack guy, is.

668
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Speaker 2: A full time Compair him with the right person and

669
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Speaker 2: put him the roll. He can get me ten sacks

670
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Speaker 2: a year.

671
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Speaker 5: Or he can't hear because he's not on the field enough.

672
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Speaker 5: You know, yeah, he won't be I don't think he'll

673
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 5: be here forever.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, interesting, interesting thing to keep an eye on. Finally,

675
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: I did want to make sure and bring up because listen,

676
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: we don't talk about the long snappers very often unless

677
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: something goes catastrophically wrong. And that's credit to Christian Koontz.

678
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: I think most football fans in this town know his

679
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: name one because he's local. That certainly helps. He's one

680
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: of us. He likes his turners in his iron, but

681
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: he also is very good and you know, goes about

682
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: that liable. When you're one of those long snappers who's

683
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: reliable for so long, eventually people get to know your

684
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: name because they like you and trust you and and

685
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: know they don't have to worry about you. And he's

686
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: certainly become one of those guys.

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Speaker 5: Coaching staffs give a long snapper, they don't want to

688
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 5: look for another, exactly right.

689
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 4: I hope we have him for ten years.

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00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: He's that guy, exactly right.

691
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know we saw him as well too.

692
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: Is her big leave pretty early with an injury after

693
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: making a tackle a on a punt and according to

694
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: you know some of the you know, our our journalist

695
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: reporters that that do the real, the real beat work

696
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: that that we reference sometimes. Uh, he has a sternhum

697
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: injury and I believed it could be broken and if so,

698
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: that would keep him out several weeks two months.

699
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 5: Oh wow, that's the first I heard that. I just

700
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 5: heard chest injury. Will evaluate later, well years later.

701
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: And this also kind of was was breaking, uh shortly

702
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: before you and I went on air, and man, those

703
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: sturnam those sternum injuries or no joke. My my wife

704
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: was in a car accident and had a sternum injury.

705
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: And I mean she is you know, no athlete, no

706
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: Christian kots, but she's rugged her for a long time.

707
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: But it's like one of our kids would like you know,

708
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: would jump on her chest on the couch and she'd

709
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: be like, oh, like my start, I'm just hurt again,

710
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: you know, like like weeks after the fact type thing.

711
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 4: You can't put a cast on it or I'm sure.

712
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: Like sleeping exactly right, exactly right. And so that's something

713
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on going forward. Word here, you know,

714
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: we haven't.

715
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: Heard official, any official word.

716
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: But if that's the case, you're not just gonna need

717
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: someone who can get you out of stadiums. You're gonna

718
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: need somebody who can who can fill in.

719
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Speaker 5: No, you need a legit dude. And it's a minor thing.

720
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 5: They'll get it down. But that that battery between long

721
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 5: snapper holder, which we don't know exactly who the holder

722
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 5: is one thousand percent yet and boz is something you

723
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 5: need to get down as well as with your punter. Yeah,

724
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 5: I mean I just flat out long snapping from a

725
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 5: punt isn't easy.

726
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 4: Now.

727
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 5: I have no clue if this is why Souls missed

728
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 5: the kick or not, But my first thought was, was

729
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 5: that snapp any good? I mean, he hit the dude

730
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 5: in the hands. But if it comes back like a

731
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 5: softball pitch is a lot different than an Olan Ryan fastball.

732
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: These guys are used to.

733
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 5: I mean those guys clock it down to the hundredth

734
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 5: the second. And when you're scollo snappers, I.

735
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: Mean it's a science.

736
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: Matt, I might be able to throw you strike across

737
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: the plate. Yeah, but not like Paul Skeen's.

738
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 5: Get right, it's the same thing, like maybe I hit

739
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 5: the mit but maybe you know that makes Loganly did

740
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 5: a great job.

741
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: I guess what you needed him to do in that moment.

742
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: He didn't throw it over anyone's head.

743
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: You out of a stadium.

744
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 5: You know, no one has a good backup long snapper

745
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 5: on game day, you know, like James Harrison.

746
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say when Craig Warren went out

747
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: for that game and James Harrison filled and it's not

748
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: like they were like, all right, well, let's keep this

749
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: going for the rest of the season.

750
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's a real game, do you think Deebo

751
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: skied one of his Yeah?

752
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 5: Remember, I mean when it does happen, the coach says, well,

753
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 5: we're not going to really punder kickfield goals anymore unless

754
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 5: we absolutely have.

755
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: To, unless we're exactly oh Man, So playing to keep

756
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: an eye on that regard.

757
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 5: Also sounds like they better find a long staffer works

758
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 5: him out pretty quick.

759
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: Sounds like they might be working some people out there

760
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: without a doubt. We do have some breaking Adam Schefter

761
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: news as it relates to a wide receiver who's visiting

762
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh again. We will talk about that when we come

763
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: back and we return to close down this first hour

764
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Speaker 2: of the program. West Shouler, Matt Williamson, It's the Drive

765
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: here on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network,

766
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: your tunes.

767
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal. Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Final segment here of the first hour on a Monday,

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Speaker 2: Driving along here, West Shuler and Matt Williamson and Matt

771
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: We've got some significant news, some movement in the wide

772
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: receiver department. Feels like this is another one of those

773
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: kind of ongoing off season themes and conversations and things

774
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: that we've spent.

775
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: Plenty of time last off season, a little bit.

776
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: Of groundhoking day, But just before you and I turned

777
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 2: on the mike, you had to tell me about it. Actually,

778
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: like I hadn't even seen it before we started up.

779
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: Uh started the show today Adam Schefter reporting that, of course,

780
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: former Jag and Buffalo bill Gabe Davis, one of those

781
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: more larger profile, higher profile wide receivers that we've discussed,

782
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: is flying to Pittsburgh today Monday and is scheduled to

783
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: visit the Steelers on Tuesday. That his second time that

784
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: he's visited this offseason. He visited for the first time

785
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: back during the OTAs of many camp times, because I

786
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: remember us being down there during that OTA in mini

787
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: camp stretch as well too.

788
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Speaker 5: Matt.

789
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about this, you know. We've talked

790
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: about names like Amari Cooper and Gabe David. We've talked

791
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: about potential trade candidates, everything from Terry McLaughlan McLaurin, Christian Kirk,

792
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, all these different type of guys,

793
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: but this feels significant since it's the second time he's

794
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: coming back to Pittsburgh.

795
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 5: I think it's very significant. And it's funny he brought

796
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 5: up Kirk. The Texans traded John Metchi today, so I

797
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 5: assume they're done.

798
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: They're done.

799
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: Assume good, good good to bring that.

800
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 5: Up, And frankly, I wouldn't have been I don't know.

801
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 5: I Mechi moves the needle enough for me. They gave

802
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 5: up a backup tight end and a one for one swap,

803
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 5: so I'm sure that people like Steel should have got

804
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 5: met you like he's all right, was a secondround pick

805
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 5: out of Obama. Gabe Davis would be much more of

806
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 5: a true two or met you would be in that

807
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 5: three to four conversation. So my hunch, just knowing how

808
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 5: these things work, and I think I can pretty much

809
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 5: confirm that, not that I'm a reporter, but when he

810
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 5: was here, I think his medicals were still up in

811
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 5: the air.

812
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 4: I think it's a knee. I'm not positive.

813
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 3: I believe you are pretty sure it's.

814
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 5: A knee, because I think they have a lot of

815
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 5: interest in him. And I'll talk about what kind of

816
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 5: player he is in a minute, But at that point.

817
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 3: Left knee, okay, horn moniscus in his left knee, left.

818
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 5: And week eleven, I say, I think it happened reasonably

819
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 5: late in the in the regular season, so week eleven,

820
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 5: that's about the right time frame for nowadays modern medicine.

821
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 5: So my hunch is maybe even we get together tomorrow

822
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 5: or even by the time people are listening to this,

823
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 5: if he comes to Pitts well, when he comes to Pittsburgh,

824
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 5: if he passes a physical, I bet they already have

825
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 5: a contract in place and he signs it. That's just

826
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 5: my hunch, and no one's told me any of this stuff.

827
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 5: If he doesn't, that probably means he didn't pass the

828
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 5: physical and the knee still is looming. Because I bet

829
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 5: that they had a good visit with him the first

830
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 5: time around, said yeah, but then he's still not where

831
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 5: we want it. Come back in a month, you know,

832
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 5: and he's like, cool, I see an opportunity here. I

833
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 5: think he would be the two, but I don't know

834
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 5: that he would blow away Austin and Wilson, you know

835
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 5: what I mean.

836
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: He's like, he's in stone number two for the entire year.

837
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, not McLaurin, you know, I mean by no means

838
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 5: I haven't been a huge fan of his game. I've

839
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 5: always thought he was a little overrated because he's not

840
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 5: a super versatile guy.

841
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 4: But it's all relative.

842
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 5: I thought the Jags overpaid him, which as they often do.

843
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 5: They overpay a lot of dudes and then they end

844
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 5: up on the open mark and get cut, just like

845
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 5: he did. You know, so that's not his fault that

846
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 5: he signed a big contract.

847
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 4: Good for him.

848
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: Hey, if anybody wants to overpay me, right, I'm sure

849
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people listen like you're I think

850
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 2: they're overpaying you, Williamson.

851
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 5: No, but what he is is something that they need now.

852
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 5: I do think they need to add a receiver. Roman

853
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 5: wils will play as well as he wants whatever. I

854
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 5: think sitting on your laurels for that room is a

855
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 5: little frightening, especially if Metcalf misses any time and all

856
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 5: that stuff. But I didn't want another little guy. Miller's

857
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 5: got a chance to make this team. I don't think

858
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 5: Woods does. Although he won't like this news. This doesn't

859
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 5: help Miller's case. But Wilson and Austin are making the team. Yes,

860
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 5: and they're both pretty. They're both little. I mean, if

861
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 5: you see him in person, they're both quite small. Espec

862
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 5: Especial's standing next to the DK metcalf So I did

863
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 5: want a bigger bodied guy. And and Wilson are both

864
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 5: highly slot capable. Wilson's almost entirely slot. Austin can do both,

865
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 5: but I think they prefer he was a slot, which

866
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 5: rings us to Davis, who's not gonna line up in

867
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 5: the slot very often. He's kind of a prototypical outside

868
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 5: the numbers.

869
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 4: Speed down the field, yeah, down.

870
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 5: The field, high depth of average, depth of target type

871
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 5: of guy.

872
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 4: Has some physicality to him.

873
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 5: I'm guessing he's six one two oh five something like that.

874
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 4: You know, like he's got some thickness to him.

875
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 5: He's not like a sprinter skinny guy, you know.

876
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 4: So he's somewhere in that neighborhood. He can, he will block.

877
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 5: He's got a very good reputation as a blocker and

878
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 5: throwing his body around. But he's not going to run

879
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 5: a super wide variety of of a Rauttree.

880
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 4: Twenty five.

881
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 5: He's listed at Wow, that's probably his height and weight

882
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 5: from the combine and which could it always changes, but

883
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 5: bigger than I thought.

884
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 4: That's even better than I wanted to hear. That's great.

885
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 5: But he's gonna be a downfield threat. You know, he's

886
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 5: not gonna nickel and diem me to death. And even

887
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 5: though Russell Wilson, who still throws a great deep ball,

888
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 5: isn't here, this team's gonna throw the ball deep, you know,

889
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 5: and I've said this a lot, even just if you're

890
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 5: starting receivers or are or were Austin and Metcalf, that's

891
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 5: about as fast of a pairing as anyone not named

892
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 5: like Tyreek and Wall. So they're looking for pure That's

893
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 5: a very good point. And this guy's another fast downfield dude,

894
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 5: but with size, they'll be all used in different ways.

895
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 4: Though. You know, Metcalf is gonna get a lot of slants.

896
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 5: He's gonna get a lot of go balls, he's gonna

897
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 5: get in breakers, he's gonna do everything. Wilson, as we mentioned,

898
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 5: the first segment I think will be a slot over

899
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 5: the middle, drag routes in you know, crossers.

900
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 4: This guy's going to be a.

901
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 5: Go ball, take the top off, assume often against one

902
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 5: on one coverage, keep people out of the box.

903
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: Guy.

904
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it makes sense. Makes sense.

905
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a I think that's a very

906
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: good way to put it. I I I'm with you

907
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: on that one.

908
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 4: And he is doesn't cost you anything, man.

909
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: He doesn't doesn't cost you much.

910
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 2: And when he's been healthy, I mean, he has been absolutely.

911
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: Outstands his numbers are pretty good.

912
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, I mean, I think a and I

913
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 2: think a lot of Steelers fans will remember this too.

914
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: I think a good way to describe his game was

915
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: when the Steelers went up to the Buffalo in twenty twenty two.

916
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: I don't know if people remember, but on the very

917
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: first play of the game, Yeah, ninety eight yards for

918
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: a touchdown, Buffalo.

919
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: Like game every game.

920
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: That's the type of speed and downfield receiving threat that

921
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: he is. I mean, I think Buffalo like they they

922
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: flubbed the opening kickoff or maybe a punt that the

923
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: Steelers had had, and they ended up with the ball

924
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: and the two to start and ninety eight yard touchdown

925
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: to Gabe Davis past you know, Levi Wallace and Mika

926
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: Fitzpatrick and the entire steel defense. I think a lot

927
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: of people, you know, a lot of the diehard listeners

928
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: will remember that that was my first year in the

929
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: booth traveling at the game.

930
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 4: So yeah, I remember today.

931
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a huge day there.

932
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: I think that was, you know, relatively early in the season,

933
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: maybe Week five or six something like that, when the

934
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: Steelers up there up there at Orchard Park in early October.

935
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: And he's had some injury stuff, but man, when he's when,

936
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: when he's healthy, he is He's a playmaker.

937
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 4: He's a quality player. He's a big play guy.

938
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 5: He probably won't be an eight catch for eighty five

939
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 5: yard guy. I mean, he'll probably be a two catch

940
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 5: for forty five yard dude, you know that type of thing.

941
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 4: Yes, you had his career stats there.

942
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 5: I think he's pretty much good for like five to

943
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 5: seven touchdowns.

944
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: A year, which is he's been pretty consistent until last

945
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: year seven six, seven to seven and last year just

946
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: twsed that.

947
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: On because you were spot on.

948
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: That's about the norm for.

949
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: Will give you a six and a half touchdowns.

950
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, if you get six out of him, that's great.

951
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 5: And if he plays, I don't know, I would think

952
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 5: he's probably a seventy five percent of the snap guy.

953
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 5: A real good chance that when you're in twelve that

954
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 5: he's the second receiver over Austin.

955
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 4: But I bet they'll battle that out a little bit.

956
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: I think you don't.

957
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 4: They'll just hand them the number two job if they

958
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 4: sign them.

959
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. And I mean his longest reception every

960
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: year fifty six yards, forty nine yards, ninety eight yards,

961
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: fifty seven yards.

962
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: I mean he's got he's.

963
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 4: Got big yards per reception there.

964
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: Yards per reception, seventeen point one, fifteen point seven, seventeen

965
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: point four, sixteen point six, even last year twelve yards perception.

966
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I mean that's those are like pickings near

967
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 5: the top of the league type numbers.

968
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: And a lot of first down receptions too. His last

969
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: two years in Buffalo thirty five and thirty four.

970
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 5: You're not gonna throw the bubble screens and four yard

971
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 5: out so yeah, nonsense stuff.

972
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 4: You know he's gonna be big boy routes down the field. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

973
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 4: that makes sense.

974
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 5: And when he was brought up for the Steelers months

975
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 5: ago pre John new trade, I was like, I'd like

976
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 5: to do better. But now if you added John who

977
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 5: and him from that day am I?

978
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 4: Okay? Yeah? No, that's that's a pretty good combination of

979
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 4: just pass catchers.

980
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 3: Right, that's true. Yeah, it's actually a very good way

981
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: to look at.

982
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's a pair of guys that you know,

983
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 2: consistently give you, you know, in John New's case, five

984
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: hundred to eight hundred yards, Yeah.

985
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, gave the end zone a handful of

986
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 4: times too.

987
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: Gave Davis consistently in the six hundred, seven hundred, eight

988
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: hundred yard receiving range.

989
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 4: I mean, piece it together with those two. This guy's

990
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 4: one or the other.

991
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, you're leaving me a little lacking, but

992
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 5: I can piece it together with those guys.

993
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 3: They're kind of like career average season.

994
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: And I realized John, who's coming off his best and

995
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: gave Davis is coming off his worst.

996
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: So right, right, right right, But a career average season.

997
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 4: Bring to the table as players, they'd have.

998
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: Been like your second and third best pass catchers last year.

999
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly behind Pickens. They definitely could have.

1000
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 4: Used them last year, let's say the least.

1001
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 5: And I was at, you've been asked, if everybody's been

1002
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 5: asked this, they need a number two receiver or they

1003
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 5: think of Austin and Wilson. But one thing I've been

1004
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 5: saying is yes, I'd love to see him get another receiver,

1005
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 5: a number two type guy. But I also think Wilson

1006
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 5: and Austin are really good threes, not like agreed bad.

1007
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: They're not three to four if they each moved down

1008
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: the depth chart one spot.

1009
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 3: Now, that's exactly right.

1010
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 4: Four is really good. Your threes above average? Okay, you

1011
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 4: know one hundred percent.

1012
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm completely it.

1013
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: Come at you know, if Gabe Davis works out and

1014
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 2: is able to play, I mean I was gonna say seventeen,

1015
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: but even fifteen or sixteen games for the Steelers, I

1016
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: think the wide receiver position goes from maybe the one

1017
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: that you were most concerned about to now, hey, could

1018
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: even become a position of strength as long as Calvin

1019
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: Austin and Roman Wilson kind of developed like we think

1020
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: they are.

1021
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: Any news on Austin coming back, nothing yet preseason.

1022
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 4: I'll tell you anything. So it's gonna be a little

1023
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 4: hard on.

1024
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: His injury, exactly right.

1025
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 4: You know.

1026
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin did say, you know, I think maybe the

1027
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: last week of training camp or leading up to one

1028
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: of those last few days that he should be parking

1029
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: up soon, I believe was what was what Mike Tomlins said.

1030
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 4: But I would bet he doesn't play Thursday.

1031
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: Maybe it's another one of those things where they're just like, hey,

1032
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: we know what you are, we're good.

1033
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 3: We don't need to see too much more of you.

1034
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 4: They got a huge gap still until.

1035
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: Get healthy for the regular season. Perk up, perk up soon.

1036
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: But maybe maybe we won't see too much of you

1037
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: in stadium. But yeah, I think man getting him back

1038
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: Roman Wilson continues to develop. If you know, Gabe Davis

1039
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: is able to clear that medical which I think what

1040
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: you said there was spot on, Like they brought him in, Hey,

1041
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: let's bring you back here.

1042
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 3: As long as you're healthy and good to go.

1043
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can get something done, you know after training

1044
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: camp or in kind of that August timeframe.

1045
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 4: Maybe in the next twenty four hours there's a deal

1046
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: in place.

1047
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 5: There isn't a thing. Then you're still looking by the time.

1048
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 5: The fact that they bring him in to me is

1049
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 5: they're not thrilled with the room.

1050
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 4: They won't add. They're going to add to the room.

1051
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, going to add And I think this solidifies

1052
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: that if they're going to add to that room, And

1053
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: like you said, if you know it gets to be

1054
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: Tuesday night or Wednesday morning, and we haven't heard anything

1055
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: about a contract for.

1056
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 4: Game days coming gone.

1057
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: That probably means they're going to be starting to starting

1058
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: to look somewhere else.

1059
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: So plenty to keep an eye on.

1060
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, as Matt mentioned, maybe even in the next

1061
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 2: twenty four hours, maybe even before the show tomorrow, will

1062
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: have some some updates, some new news in that regard.

1063
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: But that's an hour in the books, another hour to go.

1064
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: A lot going on around the league as well too,

1065
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: Matt and I want to get into, including an AFC

1066
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: North team naming their starting quarterback. I bet you can

1067
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: probably narrow it down as.

1068
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 5: To who that was, Baltimore, Cincyar Benching there, guys, I

1069
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 5: don't know.

1070
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: That.

1071
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, I don't know Mar.

1072
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, forty one touchdown passes and four

1073
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: touchdowns last year.

1074
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. Lamar might be in a quarterback battle

1075
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: at camp.

1076
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: We'll talk talk a little around the league news to

1077
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: start hour number two when we return on the other side,

1078
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 2: Why Shoeler Matt Williams, And it's the Drive on Steelers

1079
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.