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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you, Michael Jour with us. His website is his names,

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Speaker 1: It's all linked up for you at Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: am dot com. One of his books we're talking about

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Speaker 1: his Sensitive Soul. The other is The Spiritual Anatomy of Emotion. Michael,

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Speaker 1: we talked about those who are autistic, those who have synesthesia.

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Speaker 1: What about savants, these incredible people. Yeah, people know about savants,

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Speaker 1: I think mainly if they've seen the film rain Man.

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Speaker 1: The character with Dustin Yep, yep, that's based on a

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Speaker 1: real person. His name was Kim Peak and he could

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Speaker 1: do amazing, amazing things such as memorize all the names

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Speaker 1: in a phone book, which is a kind of cool

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Speaker 1: and sort of very very strange. Thing about about savants

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Speaker 1: is they can do things that are absolutely incredible and

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Speaker 1: maybe have no purpose. What's the value of that? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's an amazing trick you can you can do at

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Speaker 1: a party. But and you had to watch Judge Wappner

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Speaker 1: on Tuesdays. Yes, yes, and people with syniesthesia are I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry people with savantism, UH have a lot in common

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Speaker 1: with people that have autism. Uh, and uh, these conditions

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Speaker 1: are related. There's some percentage of people with autism that

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Speaker 1: have savantism. And likewise, we were talking about cynistheats and

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Speaker 1: many cynistheats are somewhere on the autism spectrum. So these

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Speaker 1: conditions are are are related. Um. The thing about autism

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Speaker 1: is these capacities that people have are not learned kim peak,

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Speaker 1: never learned to to memorize in this way. They're also

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Speaker 1: incredible um musicians, uh savants who from from an early age,

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Speaker 1: they can hear a piece of music. It could be

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Speaker 1: like a Brahms symphony or something, and they'll just know

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Speaker 1: how to play it. And it's not that they've learned

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Speaker 1: to play broms, but they can. It's like a human

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Speaker 1: tape recorder. They can they can play it back. Uh.

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Speaker 1: People are amazing sculptors and painters in this way. I

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Speaker 1: heard one guy who was an amazing um U golfer

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Speaker 1: and basically you know, hit a spot wow three hundred

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Speaker 1: yards um with uncanny accuracy. Did that mean you know

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Speaker 1: he's a great putter. Well, not not necessarily, but he

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Speaker 1: could he could drive the ball. The thing about savants

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Speaker 1: is um in a sense, they're not really in control

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Speaker 1: of these capacities. They sort of um arrive in their lives.

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Speaker 1: Uh and and um. They don't necessarily have a great

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Speaker 1: application um and people aren't thoroughly um. They don't really

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Speaker 1: understand what's going on there. Their handicap in a real

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Speaker 1: sense because the actual things that most of us do, uh,

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Speaker 1: they're they're not really able to do. They need people

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Speaker 1: to take care of them, just as as Dustin Hoffman's

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Speaker 1: character needed the Tom Cruise character to take care of

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Speaker 1: him because he has this amazing capacity, but it's so

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Speaker 1: limited and he's really not able to have real relationships

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Speaker 1: with people and do things for himself that the rest

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Speaker 1: of us can. So savantism is really an impediment as

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Speaker 1: much as it is an asset and an amazing trait. Next,

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Speaker 1: not prodigies. So prodigies are like savants in the sense

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Speaker 1: an early age. Again, a lot of these conditions, really,

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Speaker 1: all of them that we've talked about show up an

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Speaker 1: early age, and the quite pronounced. Prodigies are like savants

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Speaker 1: They're driven emotionally to do what they do. UM. They

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Speaker 1: Or oftentimes they succeed brilliantly in the sciences. They're they're

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Speaker 1: the the anomalous situations of people or occurrences that people report,

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Speaker 1: whether it's ghosts, whether it's poltergeists, whether it's precognitive dreams.

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Speaker 1: It's something called telesomatic experiences, which is like esp but

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Speaker 1: past lives, Why was that put in the mix? Well,

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Speaker 1: especially this guy named Jim Tucker at the University of

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Speaker 1: Over many decades, they collected thousands of case studies of

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Speaker 1: again kids at an early age who remember being someone else.

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Speaker 1: When you think about stories of Poultergeists, what the Poultergeists

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Speaker 1: was Jane Goodall exactly, but people like Jane Goodall, who

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Speaker 1: So my take on this is that you know, any

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Speaker 1: it's feeling, that's the basis of spirituality. That when there's

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Speaker 1: moved by something, that's the basis for spirituality, and I

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Speaker 1: believe all mammals have it. Maybe other kinds of creatures

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Speaker 1: do as well as human beings. We're really barking up

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Speaker 1: the wrong tree if we limit spirituality to ourselves. It's

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Speaker 1: just our ability to talk about it that separates us.

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Speaker 1: But I think all creatures that have a feeling for

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Speaker 1: and feel for them, that sort of empathy is key

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