1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all. 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: we've been trying to. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 3: Get to for almost thirty years. 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athlete to break barriers and set records. 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark broke the all time single game assists record. 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 3: This is crazy for rookies to be doing. 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms 11 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: and the community we create. Welcome to Naked Sports. I'm 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: your host, Carrie Champion. Hey everybody, welcome to a very 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: special edition of Naked Sports with yours truly Carried Champion. 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: You can hear the noise in the background. I am 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: on the road at the Super Bowl, and the reason 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: why I'm on the road is that I am recording 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: my new podcast with one of my best sies in 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: the world. Flagrant and Funny is what it's called. Is 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: with me and of course welcome to Jamoke. Yeah, you 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: and I have had many a job together, but this 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: one is obviously different. So I decided why not promote 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: Flagrant and Funny within my Naked Sports. 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 3: They pay you the big the Big bud. 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: Because you cross pollination, and they can also listen to 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: all of them. They can download and subscribe and listen 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: to all of them. I really want you all, who 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: have been so faithful for these last five seasons of 28 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: Naked Sports download and subscribe Flagrant and Funny. So Jay 29 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: tell us, tell us what this podcast is about and 30 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: why we're live at the super Bowl. Okay, Flagrant and Funny. 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: Is you know what why I love the name is 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: that the name actually explains the podcast. You know, one 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: thing about who we are in our relationship is that 34 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: I think we're a great combination of both both Flagrant 35 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: and Funny. And the emphasis will be we'll talk a 36 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: lot about women's sports, but but a lot about the 37 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: intersection between sports and culture and race and you know, 38 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: all the things that sports is like mixed and mashed with, 39 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: and so you can expect lively conversation, entertaining conversation, and 40 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: then we'll sprinkle in, you know, amongst the candy, we 41 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: will sprinkle in a bit of broccoli. 42 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: We got to give you to medicine. Yes to what 43 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: I think is going to be interesting for us, and 44 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: I got to be honest because on Naked, I'm naked. 45 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: One of the one of the conversations I get nervous 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: about is the exceptionalism conversation, and you and I have 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: talked about that. It is the intention to talk about 48 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: women's sports and be just asked critical and or analytical 49 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: and or critiquing whatever you want to say. As we 50 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: are with. 51 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 3: Men's sports, or as praiseworthy or as. 52 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: Praiseworthy, we always praise, but I think for me, I 53 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: lean on the side of giving them a lot of props, 54 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: a lot of praise, because I feel like it's so 55 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: it needs to be nurtured, right, it's so precious. I've 56 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: been precious with it, and I don't want to come 57 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: off to heavy handed because I feel like we're just 58 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: now getting the attention for women's sports that it finally deserves. 59 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: So there's a bit of me that feels hesitancy to 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: critique an Angel Rees, or to critique a Caitlin Clark 61 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: for that matter, I'm naming names that people know, or 62 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: even to critique WNBA's volleyball, which I think is the 63 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: next sport that's about to pop. I'm just hesitant to 64 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: do so, and that is because I feel like, oh, no, 65 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: people won't watch. 66 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 3: Them, well can I? 67 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: If I may give a racial analogy, give a racial 68 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 2: I think about me. I'm not known if we're talking 69 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: about race at all all never, but if you think 70 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: about it, it's very similar to how we feel when 71 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: we have to critique our own community, is that we 72 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: know it needs to be said, but it's it's very 73 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: uncomfortable doing that, especially when we're in public spaces and listen. 74 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: We can't help where we work because we often will 75 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: get the feedback like, oh, this this is a you know, 76 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: in community conversation. 77 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: Essentially, why you having that conversation in front of these 78 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: white folks? 79 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: That's looking of which I will say, and I think 80 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: the same applies to women's sports. The people who don't 81 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: like women's sports are the people who live to really 82 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 2: hate on women's sports, us critiquing them, They're still gonna 83 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: hate it anyway, whether we praise them critique them. 84 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: So like, why worry. 85 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 2: About the people that over? Why worry about the people 86 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: who don't care about women's sports to begin with and 87 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: what they might say and what they might think. And 88 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 2: so to your point about how we've all been a 89 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: little bit protect a little bit protective over women's sports. 90 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: It's like, I think, while that protectiveness needs to be 91 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 2: there in some regards, I think we can do it 92 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: within the scope of being honest. 93 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: Who's saying it matters. 94 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: And the fact is you and I are immersed enough 95 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: in the space, We know enough of the people, We 96 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: understand the culture of women's sports enough that if we're 97 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,679 Speaker 2: giving an honest critique, I'd like to think that people 98 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: would know that it's coming from a good, well intentioned 99 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: in place. 100 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: I I agree with you. I do feel like I'm 101 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: not necessarily worried about the people who are who don't 102 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: like women's sports. I'm actually worried about those we are covering, 103 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: but to know that they will be offended by what 104 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: we say, that's if I'm being really honest with you. 105 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: I'm worried about opinions of others. I'm worried about the 106 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: people we actually are critiquing. And the reason that is 107 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: is because I know women are a little more sensitive, 108 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: and I do know, and I don't want to say 109 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,119 Speaker 1: that generically. I don't want to say that across the board. 110 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: I don't let me take that back. Athletes in general. 111 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: I'm not going to say it's just it's. 112 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 1: Not just women, yes, but I think they're They're very 113 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: sensitive and and we've seen how men react to us 114 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: when we critique them. You've been called names by other men. 115 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: Your husband's had to step in and say, I'm gonna 116 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: put my hands on somebody if I keep threatening my 117 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: wife because she said you couldn't catch a football. You 118 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because these and these aren't critiques 119 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: that they are not they they should be very familiar 120 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: with being critiqued because that's what you do. You put 121 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: your art for the community out into the world, and 122 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: sometimes you don't get it right. But I'll like I 123 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: give an example of how when Jamond Green punched his 124 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: colleague in the face, I was like, yo, I was like, 125 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: I hate that somebody leaked that video about him, and 126 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: then that forced us to talk about it. But because 127 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: I had a friendship with him, I was hesitant to 128 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: really kind of go as hard as I would because 129 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: there's a part of me that knew him and perhaps 130 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, God, some must have really been going 131 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: on for him to do that. Like I gave him 132 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt when I wouldn't give that 133 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: same benefit of the doubt to somebody I didn't know. 134 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: And that's how I feel. The word on the street 135 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: is that at that time, Jordan was pretending like he 136 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: was the star. And yeah, so when you got a. 137 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: Leader like hello, that man has the irrational confidence I've 138 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: ever seen. 139 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: But somebody can say that about Dre. 140 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: Somebody can say I would say not this for this particular. 141 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Way, correct, But I know you know what, I mean, 142 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: you know what? Anyway, I those those things always as 143 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: a journalist cross my mind. But the reason why I'm 144 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: happy about this podcast is because we have committed ourselves 145 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: to yes, talking about the sport, and maybe I will 146 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: be a little light handed, but I am so. I 147 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: am also thinking, finally there's somebody talking about sports where 148 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: they're not afraid. And if I got to be a villain, 149 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: let me be the villain. I'll be a villain. I'll 150 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: be a motherfucking hooker, Barry. 151 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: Oh oh, is that what we're doing? Oh well, I'm 152 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: super in. As if I weren't already, you. 153 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: Know, I didn't want over here. 154 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: I actually didn't think about it from that perspective, because yeah, 155 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: you're right, I mean, we know a lot of women 156 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: women we respect in the sports space, but like, if 157 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: we gotta be honest, we gotta be honest with you 158 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: know a lot about being so I'm ready for it. 159 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,559 Speaker 2: And more importantly, if they, you know, once they're able 160 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: to sort of peel away from the whole sensitivity of it, 161 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: I think they'll see why it's necessary, like why it's 162 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: necessary to have a show that treats them, that doesn't 163 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: toddle them or doesn't treat them like the professionals that 164 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: they are. 165 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: Well, this will be interesting because I think I don't 166 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: remember a time, even in college sports. I don't remember 167 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: a time they come down on the coaches more so 168 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: in college than they do the players. There are moments 169 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: where they online Socially, these women are used to being critiqued, 170 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: right oh yeah, the fans are always going out. They 171 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: are abused, like as many of us know, women in 172 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: general are abused online. They're used to that. But it'll 173 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: be interesting to see as they get more attention, more time, 174 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: more TV, you know, TV deals, how they will feel 175 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: when they are being critiqued in a way that does 176 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: break down their game, you. 177 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: Know, intends to lessen the critique, And I think they 178 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: respond a little bit differently. And I've seen this on 179 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: the men's side too, is that the media when they 180 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: do talk about them, And this is again why flagrant 181 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: and funny isn't important and I think I hope we'll 182 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: be seen in a different light. A lot of the 183 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: media that swoops in the critique them haven't said anything 184 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: about them prior to that, so they tend to be 185 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: a little more sensitive with people who don't talk about 186 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: them when they do do something well, or when it's 187 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: not some big controversy or we're not discussing the latest 188 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: racial fallout between Angel Reesa and Kate La Clark. Like 189 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 2: if that's the only time you're talking about them when 190 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: there's drama, then they're going to look at your critique 191 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: a little less honestly, you know what I mean. And 192 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: it's like, because we're talking about the scope of who 193 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: they are, I think ours should be received a little differently. 194 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: And I'm ready to have the conversation like who's the 195 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: best point guard in the league? Waba that is? 196 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 2: But you know what you be eyes that like, it's 197 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: stuff like that, that's the stuff that get sensitive about. 198 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking That's what I'm talking about. 199 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: I know, but I'm just saying, like, of course they 200 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: could be sensitive about. 201 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: I mean, they get sensitive about. I found this across 202 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: the course of my sports writing career. The things that 203 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 2: generated the most hate mail a lot of times weren't 204 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: the things you would expect. Like it wasn't when I 205 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: was talking about some racial issue in sports, and I 206 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: got a lot of stuff about that. I remember one 207 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: time I was at ESPN. This man damn there, threatened 208 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: to kill me over a golf take I had about 209 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: Tiger Woods. 210 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: Go sit down, Yeah, I mean, I'm not. He called 211 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: me every name. 212 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 3: In the book. He put together a string of in 213 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 3: words that was. 214 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: So impressive, and I knew he was old because he 215 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: snail mail wrote it right, He wrote that he that 216 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: man said down took that time, put a stamp on 217 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: that thing. 218 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: He was like, let me. 219 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: Tell you all of them over a golf take. I 220 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: remember one time you told me that Skyler Diggins pulled 221 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: up on you. 222 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 223 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: So so imagine now as we've seen Skyler in her 224 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: in her anger, she's clearly got anger management issues. 225 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: Well we see. 226 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: That, we see that all the time. I don't mind it. 227 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: I don't mind it. 228 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: But when you hear that, there's some sometimes disruption on 229 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: the teams that she plays with because a lot of 230 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 2: people can't take that, you know, And. 231 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: Well, what we're saying, Look, what I've heard is that 232 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: she is like she'll hold she hold you to account. 233 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: She does a lot of people and and and a 234 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: lot of players don't like that. Like every that's they 235 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: say that about CP three, So we can say that 236 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: about CP three, we can say that about Skyler. My 237 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: point is we've seen her go We've seen her go 238 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: ham and we were like, oh, she's mad about something. 239 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: It was I can what it was about. 240 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: It was because when she was in college oty see 241 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: sam'suh also plays in the w n B a uh. 242 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: She's been a bit of a journey woman, but she 243 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: you know, certainly has found some footing with some teams. 244 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: And you know, they were sort of considered too of 245 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: the best college point guards at the time. 246 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 3: And Odesty Sam's was Britney. 247 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: Grinder's point guard, by the way, And I was like, listen, 248 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: I love Skyler. She's got like a good game, but 249 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 2: like it just Odyssey Sam's got that dog in her 250 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: and that. 251 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: What and and by the way, she will never I 252 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: remember we were at we were at the four Letters 253 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,599 Speaker 1: and she wrote up on you like yo, let me 254 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: howl at you on that tape. 255 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: I mean, by the way, though it wasn't to my. 256 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: Point, could you imagine when we start doing that on 257 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: this podcast in a very honest way, what we're gonna 258 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: get the heat we go get from people. She rolled 259 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: up on you because you said odesty was better than her. 260 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: Let alone, could you critique of the game that she 261 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: had where she only put up put it this way? 262 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: The way she rolled up on me, I knew she 263 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: definitely had that. 264 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: Dog, And now that you watch her, she's like where 265 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: I was. 266 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: Like, yeah she did. 267 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: She got all dog my bad and like you think 268 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: of these things like I've seen some of these women. 269 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: So that's the only hesitation that I have. Like I 270 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: really hope that when you when we do this pod, 271 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: that we can get to the point where we have 272 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: a conversation with Bravada as it has been as it 273 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: has been described, you know what I mean, you know, 274 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: we're we're just like no, I you know what. Sometimes 275 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: so and so's annoying and I wish she'd sit down. 276 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: We have no problem saying that about Lebron. We have 277 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: no problem critiquing the way in which Lebron. 278 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: Goes about I'm just letting you know, you better be careful. 279 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't talk abad about Lebron. Lebron know how 280 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: I feel. But like you remember, Lebron got somebody got 281 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: left off of a ballot and they were threatening one 282 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: of a journalists that we know. We're like, oh you, oh, y'all, 283 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: so could I'm just saying, imagine what the grief that 284 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: we have dealt with talking about men, how does that 285 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: translate when we start doing the same on this podcast 286 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: about women. 287 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: Well, at least the things that we have said in 288 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: speaking of male athletes is preparation, you know, for this. 289 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: She says she's ready to get hands put on her. 290 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm not ready for a two pieces of a biscuit, no, 291 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: because I can't fight. 292 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: I can't fight. I feel like you still. I feel 293 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 2: like you still got a two piece. 294 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: With a biscus I got, and. 295 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: I still got a little a little bit in that. 296 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: I was like, I ain't got it. I ain't got 297 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: it no more. 298 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: Man, I'm too rich to be suited. 299 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: Now you're high, you're right, so well, yeah, I got 300 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: too much loose. I got waste the one thing that 301 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: keeps us safe. Yeah, we got too much loose. 302 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: So I shouldn't say. At the same time, even though 303 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: I have too much to lose. 304 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: You're still a negro. 305 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: I'm still a negro. 306 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: And on top of that that, we just have this 307 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: this trigger and so and once say I would say 308 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: that button is generally not gonna fight, but if you 309 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: try me, you're gonna get this bad, bad boo. 310 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: Well, what she means is, this is the funny part. 311 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: And I'm looking directly into the camera while saying this. 312 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: We were heard, we heard steven A was here, and 313 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: so she d that's why she's been wearing her you know. 314 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: That's why I'll. 315 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: Put that out there. People will take you seriously. 316 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: Run. We are definitely not try to rub on CN. 317 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: But we did have a plan. He was gonna take 318 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: out his knees. All. 319 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: It is kind of tall, so you know, you gotta 320 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: go low because he's a he's over six. 321 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: Feet so but we really she's we kid. We are 322 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: definitely kidding, you know, by the way, I will roll 323 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: up on him and give him a big hug. He 324 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: can be mad all day Yea and we can, man, 325 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: I'll punch him in the stomach. Little in what we're 326 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: doing is encouraging you all to please download and subscribe 327 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: to Flagrant and Funny, completely different from what I do 328 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: here on Naked Sports. We are going to be living 329 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: and the We're going to live in all spaces. But 330 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: when we do talk about women's sports, we're gonna be 331 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: very honest in our critiques and our praise and also 332 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: in the way in which we see the game. And 333 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: it's all a part of the game. An athlete is 334 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: an equal athlete, equal opportunity athlete. 335 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 3: That's right. Everybody can get this smokebo. 336 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning in live from the 337 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: Super Bowl Naked Sports, and now it's time for you 338 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: all to get a little taste of Flagrant and Funny. 339 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy. 340 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: But let's pivot a moment here because we have a 341 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: little F and F history that's about. 342 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: To be made. What F and F history is about 343 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: to be made. 344 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: We're gonna welcome I guess, the first guest we have 345 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: ever had about to have a guest on FNF. 346 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: The first time we have ever had a guess. 347 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: And it's apropos because this guest without telling you who 348 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: she is. She has arguably one of the most viral 349 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: videos when it comes to being a woman covering sports, 350 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: and it pretty much set the tone for how women 351 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: feel about how they are talked about when we are 352 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: talking about you, is somebody. 353 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: Getting this right now? 354 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: She just worked, she knew, she came on, she turked, 355 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: she knew. Very talented. 356 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: That's her spirit. 357 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: And she is a legend to me. She was a 358 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: legend before we even knew her, Like she had a 359 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: legacy at Annim's. So everybody give it up for Katie Nolan. 360 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: Katie show a serious. 361 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 4: Coming down, the show, coming to the jow. I don't know, everyone, 362 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 4: sit down, come on, it's been too long. 363 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: Okay. Two things. One, congratulations on an engagement, because it's 364 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: been a while. 365 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 5: You've engaged for like five years. 366 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: I just never did it publicly. 367 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 3: Okay. You said, she's like ring for you. 368 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: You got to ring it for a kindle, you know what. 369 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 3: Wow, eventually we're gonna get married. I think I just 370 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 3: don't know when you're where is it a busyness thing? 371 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 6: It's it's an overwhelming and I'm not that pressed about 372 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 6: It's like, uh, we'll get to it eventually. I think 373 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 6: the strongest argument for me that people have been making 374 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 6: is like, I'm screwing myself over because when I meet 375 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 6: people in the future and say we've been married for 376 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 6: blank years, I'm gonna have stolen these years from myself. 377 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: You know, how do you guys? It's just stressful. 378 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: Why don't you just alope then have a big party 379 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: that because I'll never have the party unless I plan 380 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: it ahead of time. 381 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 3: You know, we'll get to it. We can do this 382 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: off air. 383 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: So no, I have two things to ask right away. One, 384 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: as we introduce you. We talked about this that video, 385 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: that epic video that when we were all at esp 386 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: and made r I p uh. 387 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 6: A lovely time in ways, you know, and then a 388 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 6: difficult time in other ways. 389 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: That's a good explanation, but they're still doing it. 390 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: The shout out, the technically yeah kinda yeah with that video, 391 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: the women in sports media video, Yes yeah sports Yeah, 392 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: that's like are you would be one of the most watched 393 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: videos ever, so creative, so thought by you, so actually 394 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: apropos and will never not be out of style. 395 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately unfortunate. 396 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 6: Fortunately, yeah, yeah, for all all of its goods and 397 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 6: bads that we all had at that company. I do 398 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 6: think like I got to meet some of the best 399 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 6: women that work in sports, Like it was the coolest 400 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 6: time it was in terms of like shooting that video, 401 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 6: I don't know, looking around and being like look at. 402 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: All lease no bevenue was crazy and you're acting jobs 403 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: were amazing, amazing, she said, she said, read and God said, 404 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: you got it. I'm ready nailed it. 405 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 5: She was ready for her close up. 406 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 3: Now she nailed it. 407 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: To your point, for it was one of the best 408 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: jobs I've ever had thus far because I meet a 409 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: lot of great friends. I learned how to be who 410 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: I am to this day in terms of a professional 411 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: and then look and some of it's bad and that 412 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: just what life is. 413 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 5: That's just life. 414 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: That's there's no hard feelings. I zero have zero heart feelings. 415 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 3: Same. 416 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: I think people sometimes just because we may be critical 417 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 2: here and there of ESPN, people think there's some kind 418 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: of bitterness and it's not like I always say people 419 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 2: is to tell people, that's the longest job I've ever had. 420 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: It's the best job I've ever had. 421 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 2: The reporter and journalists I was when I walked in 422 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: there in six versus who I was in twenty eighteen, 423 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: just in this media climate was a million times better, 424 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: and so the company helped me sharpen in all the 425 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 2: ways that I needed to sharpen along those same lines. Though, 426 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: I'm curious, Katie, how did you find the post ESPN pivot? 427 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 6: Well, it happened to coincide with that global pandemic that 428 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 6: hit us. So twenty twenty was sort of a year 429 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 6: of like figuring out what. 430 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 3: I wanted to keep doing. 431 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 6: And I think once ESPN became what it was, which 432 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 6: was that they were like, we don't we wanted to. 433 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 6: I think it was like a low ball offer that 434 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 6: I was like, it's I don't want to stay here, 435 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 6: so I'm not working on something I love so much 436 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 6: that I want to stick around at this company. I'd 437 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 6: rather just go do something else. I needed time to 438 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 6: fall back in love with sports. I think for me, 439 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 6: like so much of my approach to sports media has 440 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 6: been like from a fan perspective. 441 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 5: I grew up in Boston. Obviously, it's like in. 442 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 6: Our blood that you've got to love every Boston team, 443 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 6: and I just think after working in sports for however 444 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 6: many years, it had been at that point, five to 445 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 6: seven whatever, it was I was like kind of losing 446 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 6: touch with like the part of me that wanted to 447 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 6: care and love and watch sports, and so I think 448 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 6: I just needed took some time away. Like I took 449 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 6: some time off of sports, which was crazy. There was 450 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 6: a football season I did not pay attention, but you 451 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 6: needed that. 452 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:24,719 Speaker 5: I needed it. 453 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 6: I needed to like come back to it, and that 454 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 6: like from my own desire to come back to it 455 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 6: instead of feeling like I needed to watch it and 456 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 6: know everything about it and I needed to make sure 457 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 6: I and so I like took time away and then 458 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 6: truly missed it and found my way back to it 459 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 6: naturally like a fan. And I think because of that 460 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 6: now when I approach the stuff, I'm doing it serious. 461 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 5: It's like from a place of not media, but like fandom. 462 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 6: It's like very much connected to the heart of it, 463 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 6: and like the hoping that your team wins no idea 464 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 6: my team was gonna make it to the Super again. 465 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 6: Very convenient for me my first time back at Radio Row. 466 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 6: They're back in the super Bowl. Very happy about that. 467 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 6: Thank you. 468 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect time. I want to give you. I want 469 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: to tell you something, And I think that people don't 470 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: do this in our business and you and you take 471 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: this just how you receive it. You prior to even 472 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: really coming to ESPN, you had a name and made 473 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: a name for yourself, you had one to believe in, Emmy. 474 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: You were people were looking forward to who you were, 475 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: and you had all of these expectations and you came 476 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: in there just like I just want to have fun. 477 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: I just want to do my job. And everyone was like, 478 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: you know a bit of a like what is she 479 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: going to be like? And what I and what I 480 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: appreciate about you is being like I took some time 481 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: off there. This this world can drain us. What we 482 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: sometimes our own expectations for ourselves are so so hard 483 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: to live up to, and it can drain us. And 484 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: if you can take a beat and come back and 485 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: figure out why you love it, because you're right being 486 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: I always say this, Jamel and I argue because I 487 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: don't know if you read recently, jam had yelled at 488 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: an old lady for being a fan in the locker room. 489 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: You see that one a. 490 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 6: Black I did see that, Jamel, and I wasn't going 491 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 6: to bring it almost. 492 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: I kicked out of the cookout. Did that. 493 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: She's like, it's just really not professional. 494 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: It's just really not professional. You're not supposed to be 495 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: a fan. I'm like, the hell, you're not supposed to 496 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: be a fan. That's somebody's mama. Be nice to her. 497 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 4: I love. 498 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: And then Jamel will go into how she's met with 499 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: her and they've they've broken bread and now we love 500 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: each other. 501 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 6: Yet I understand where you're coming from too, because I 502 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 6: I you know, it is the line that I blurred 503 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 6: that probably gets. 504 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 5: Kind of annoying to a reporter that like, I am 505 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 5: a fan. 506 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 6: First, I'm not. I studied pr it's a journalism background, 507 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 6: but I'm not like a journalist like that. And I 508 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 6: but I get why in that room, it's like you're 509 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 6: supposed to be here to for me. My thing was 510 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 6: that it made us see a side of that coach 511 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 6: we weren't gonna see. 512 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 5: No other question. 513 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,239 Speaker 6: But I do understand your and listen at a kind 514 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 6: of like this standing up for journalism. 515 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 5: I'm never gonna be mad at. 516 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 2: You, you know what, As I told Carrie, it was 517 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: the wrong time to make what is a practical point, 518 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 2: and I'm okay, like I got to win at argument 519 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: you as. 520 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: You're so good. 521 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, you're like you know what, It's not 522 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: always important to be right that moment. 523 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: But Katie, you said something really important, and that is 524 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 2: about connecting with fandom. I did specifically get into journalism 525 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: to do sports journalism because I have love of the 526 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 2: game and of the characters of the game and the 527 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 2: storytelling all those things. 528 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 3: I wanted to tell stories. 529 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: But nevertheless, though, there is a part of you that 530 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: I think for fans to relate to you, that you 531 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: have to tap into what you're talking about it talking 532 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 2: about in terms of relating to being a fan. So 533 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: I want to ask you, though, now that you are 534 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: back in this radio row scene, how does it feel 535 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 2: for you to be here in the Patriots are here 536 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 2: like a lot of people don't know you know, how 537 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 2: to feel about it, because it's like people people Patriots. 538 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 6: Isn't it funny that the cheap we finally were like 539 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 6: the Chiefs and they were out and then the Pats are. 540 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: Like we back. No. 541 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 6: I like, I'm excited. It's like a new look Patriots. 542 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 6: I mean, it's Mike Rabel who I got to root 543 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 6: for as a Patriot before, and now he's the coach. 544 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 5: Drake May amazing. 545 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: Uh. 546 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 6: Playoffs have been a little Rocky, but we've been winning, 547 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 6: which is all that it and we I can say 548 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 6: we because I just. 549 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: Don't worry about her. 550 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 5: It's overwhelming. 551 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 6: It's honestly, it's overwhelming to be back when they're back, 552 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 6: because it's like I was kind of hoping to be 553 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 6: able to just like, Okay, I'll just go back to 554 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 6: the super Bowl. 555 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 5: Who cares who wins yet? And then they're like, oh, 556 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 5: the Pats are back in it. 557 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 3: You know, like I. 558 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 6: Can't help myself care like I have to care about 559 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 6: it a little too much. 560 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: We we were wondering and and and we were wondering 561 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 1: your thoughts on Bad Bunny before me. I'm excited. 562 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: I think everybody's being really weird about it. 563 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 6: I like, I'm like embarrassed for the people that are 564 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 6: this upset about it's a fifteen minute concert, Like. 565 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 3: Mom, they need to relax, it's just you and just 566 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 3: watch it. I'm just like really. 567 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 5: Alarmed by how much people like listen, We've watched plenty. 568 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 6: Of bad halftime shows where afterwards we all go like 569 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 6: that kind of stunk or like, I've got my thoughts 570 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 6: on it, But the fact that it preempted the actual 571 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 6: even performance of it. 572 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 5: This year to me, to me, in my opinion. 573 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 6: Just signals that, like, somebody's out there trying to get 574 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 6: this narrative going, and it's an embarrassing narrative. 575 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 3: I think it's a bad look. 576 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 6: You can hate the halftime show all you want, wait 577 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 6: till it's over, and then share your thoughts on one 578 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 6: of the many social media sites you have where you 579 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 6: can you're eighteen followers, let them know how you feel 580 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 6: about that man. 581 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 3: All right, Well do your point about people being weird? 582 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: Okay, we were playing with you. Jamel's going to be 583 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: She's gonna be Pat Sajack, Yes, Yannah Black, Pat say Jack. 584 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: It's called it's called guess the position. She's going to 585 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: read a quote because the anonymous it's called guess the position. 586 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: So there have been some players in the NFL who 587 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: have decided to speak out anonymously about how they feel 588 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: about Bad Bunny. So we're gonna we're gonna read the quote, 589 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: is going to read the quote. You guess the position, 590 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: whether it is offense or defense. Okay, and if you 591 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: if you want to get like if you don't have 592 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: if it's too hard, you just want to go offense 593 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: or defense, So be it. But if you want to 594 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: go lineman, yeah, kicker, yeah you can. 595 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 3: You all know that you. 596 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: Cannot thereous Were they from. 597 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 5: The teams in the Super Bowl or were they for. 598 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 3: What they do? 599 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 2: They do tell you curious the pieces in the athletic 600 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, they tell you what conference and whether 601 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: or not their offensive defense. 602 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: But they don't tell you like that normal Rams fan. 603 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: Season season. 604 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 605 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 2: Here's the first quote. I don't even know who bad 606 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: Bunny is. I always think it should be an American. 607 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: I think they're tried too hard with this international stuff. 608 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: And that was said by NFC offensive player. So guess 609 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: the position. 610 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to guess that that was said by 611 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 5: a running back. 612 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 6: It was said by somebody who's been hit a lot, 613 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 6: because they've clearly forgotten that Puerto Rico is America. 614 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 3: Bad Bunny is an American. He is an American. You know, 615 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 3: it's so hateful to an American. 616 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: What's so funny is Bad Bunny is an American and 617 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 2: NICKI Minaj is not anyway doing that. What you will, 618 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: all right, here's another one. This is from an NFC 619 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: offensive player as well. Okay, I do not like it. 620 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: I prefer anyone who's synonymous with football and football culture. 621 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: I feel like there's tons of artists out there who 622 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: are fans of the game, and. 623 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 6: The NFC offensive player wants it to be somebody associated 624 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 6: with fans, somebody who's a fan of the game. 625 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 5: Well, how do you know, bad Bunny doesn't like football? 626 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: What do you know about bad Bunny? They don't know this. Oh, 627 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. Let's say that that was a quarterback. 628 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, nobody from special teams. 629 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 5: They did not interview anybody on special teams Kennedys to. 630 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: Be a kicker. 631 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: They you know what, I would guess that there would 632 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: be somebody from special teams because I don't know if 633 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: you guys saw that, uh that that story that was 634 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 2: done about the political affiliations and pretty much every kicker 635 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:32,239 Speaker 2: in the NFL as a Republican. All right, So this 636 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 2: one was from again, man, the NFC. Okay, here you go, 637 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: Here you go, another NFC defensive player. This is this 638 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: Hamil defense. 639 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: Uh. 640 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: They said they would prefer to see Florence and the machine. 641 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 3: But I don't know what everybody would would rock with that. Okay, Now, see. 642 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 6: This is sounds like somebody that just wants to let 643 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 6: everybody know they really like Florence in the Machine. 644 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 5: Okay, that's that's like a less hateful. 645 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I said you were just going like like 646 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 1: Florence and the Machine. Okay, So we got like just 647 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: a minute left, right, So I want to tell you 648 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: I really truly appreciate you playing this game with us. 649 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: Two things are happening right now. Jamel I t Jamel 650 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: up to be pats a Jack. That was her audition. 651 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: She's not gonna make it. I'm not gonna make it. 652 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I'm watching. 653 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 5: I would watch your game, Ja. I would watch anything 654 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 5: Jamel ever does. I'd watch it once a month. 655 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 6: I'd watch it to check it on the growth as 656 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 6: a host, and then if she if I noticed that 657 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 6: she which she would she would rise to the occasional 658 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 6: she would get a and then I would tune in 659 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 6: every day. That's just maybe I'd probably DVR so maybe 660 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 6: watch on a delay, but I would. I would watch it, 661 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 6: and if at any point you said the ratings were hurting, 662 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 6: I'd watch it every day. 663 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 5: The Patriots have to win the Super Bowl. They have to. 664 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: I think. 665 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 6: I know everybody during the NFC Championship was like, whoever wins. 666 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 6: This is gonna win the super Bowl, and yeah, maybe 667 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 6: they get their butts kicked. 668 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think they've had so many lucky. 669 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 6: Luck keeps breaking their way, and I just feel like 670 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 6: that can't just end at the super Bowl. So I 671 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 6: don't know what's gonna happen, But deep in my heart, 672 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 6: I really think the Patriots are gonna win. 673 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: So listen, I gotta be honest with you. I love 674 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: me some Brady. I don't care if he wears a 675 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: red hat. Well, well, we don't know if Brady is 676 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: actually I just love him, PA say he is, and 677 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: I don't care. I love you, Tom. I love you Tom. 678 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: I'll be right there with you. 679 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 3: Do you. 680 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: I'll give boattoks, I'll. 681 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: Do all. 682 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: I'll give Marlago face with you. I'll do all the things. 683 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: I love you. 684 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 3: Look like. 685 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: If you don't talk about our man like that was 686 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: so rude, I'm you know, tell the folks when they 687 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: can listen to your show. 688 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, Fan service is on Serious ExM Mad Dog Radio, 689 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 6: Mad Dog Sports Radio, Uh every day noon to one 690 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 6: Eastern Live. 691 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 5: It's a phone call, so if you want to talk 692 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 5: to me you can. 693 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 3: I'm live for an hour every day for Stephen A. 694 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 3: Smith and then. 695 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 6: Casuals is a scary, funny casals in a podcast. It's 696 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 6: twice a week Tuesday Thursday, anywhere. 697 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 3: You get your podcasts. 698 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 5: For people that like like sports. 699 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 6: But aren't like paying attention to it like that, but 700 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 6: want to get caught up on everything happening in an 701 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 6: entertaining way. 702 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 3: We do it there. 703 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: That's what we do too, Katie Nolan, We appreciate you. 704 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: You are a star. Thank you for coming on our show. Yeah, 705 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: you were both Lakeried and funny. Hope you enjoyed this 706 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: episode of Naked Sports. Naked Sports written and executive produced 707 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: by me Carrie Champion, produced by Jacqueise Thomas, sound design 708 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: and mastered by Dwayne Crawford. Naked Sports is a part 709 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: of the Black Effect podcast network in iHeartMedia