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Speaker 1: and you're not even thinking as a black woman what

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Speaker 1: we've been through. All you say is the end result.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, you can see a lot of

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Speaker 1: that like a metaphor for a privilege to me is

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Speaker 1: like gender right, because what white people what we consider privileged,

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Speaker 1: It is not like something white people are given. It

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Speaker 1: is just that they are not subject to the same

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Speaker 1: conditions that black people are. And I use the example

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Speaker 1: of like, so I travel a lot. Hold on. You

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Speaker 1: said privilege is not something they've been given. What do

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Speaker 1: you mean by that? I want to make sure I

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Speaker 1: hurt you perfectly. So yeah. So so here's an example. Right,

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Speaker 1: So I travel a lot, right, so when I want to,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to roam around cities and I'll

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Speaker 1: go out to eat by myself, and I'll go to

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Speaker 1: dinner by myself. And I never thought of it until

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Speaker 1: someone explained to me, Oh, you know, like a woman

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00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: can't do that. She just can't roam around the streets

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00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: by herself. Now, because I am a guy in this world,

448
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: like nobody cleared the streets all, you know, made the

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Speaker 1: streets clearer, gave me some kind of extra muscle to

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Speaker 1: make it, you know, safe for me to walk down

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Speaker 1: the street. We just live in a world where people

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Speaker 1: attack women more. Right, So it's not like I have

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Speaker 1: an extra thing. It is just that this world task

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Speaker 1: women and make this world is less safe for women.

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00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: And that is the same thing with whiteness, right, Like

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Speaker 1: white people don't have an extra freedom of speech. They

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Speaker 1: just get to say what they want to because everybody

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Speaker 1: is supposed to get to say what they want to.

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Speaker 1: But they are the only ones who are subject to

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Speaker 1: the constitution. They are the only ones who, you know,

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Speaker 1: get to carry a firearm um and practice their Second

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Speaker 1: Amendment rights because I know that if I get stopped

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Speaker 1: by a cop and I have a gun on me,

464
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Speaker 1: I might get killed. Right, So the Constitution affords everyone

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Speaker 1: the right to carry a firearm, except that it puts

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Speaker 1: me in more danger and it protects them. And that's right,

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Speaker 1: as is the case with the woman who can't walk

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Speaker 1: around at night like you can. And so in a sense,

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Speaker 1: privilege is the ability to be like immune from the

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Speaker 1: things that black people face, that people of color face,

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Speaker 1: that everybody faces except white people. So I think they

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Speaker 1: object when they think that we're saying like white people

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Speaker 1: got more money or white people didn't have to work

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00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: hard for what do you know? But a white person

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Speaker 1: can get as far as how hard they work, now

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00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: talented they are, or even further where a black person

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00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have that what we call privilege. Mm hmm, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting if you put it that way, especially using

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Speaker 1: the man and the woman analogy and the end, how

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00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: white people's privilege is just what the world has been,

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00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: so that's what they get to get away with. Men

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00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: can walk around at night, women cannot. But women can

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Speaker 1: be attractive and use their femininity to get what they want.

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Speaker 1: So everyone takes advantage of their privilege in some some

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Speaker 1: form of fact. And the problem though, is that with

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Speaker 1: the white privilege, it leaves in equity at least death,

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00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: it leaves everything else behind. I can't say that the

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Speaker 1: privilege that we're all afforded in different ways does the same, right, Right.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing about the white privilege is the

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Speaker 1: barriers that they have structurally put up to protect that privilege. Right.

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Speaker 1: It is like like whiteness, like you, you gotta pay

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Speaker 1: higher interest rate at most banks just because you're black.

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Speaker 1: And it's not like the white person at the bank

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Speaker 1: is protecting whiteness. It is just that, like he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to do anything because he lives in a country

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Speaker 1: that has already been structurally designed to do it for him.

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00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 1: For him, we gotta take a break, pay the bills,

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Speaker 1: you understand, We'll be right back on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Every champion and every champion is to be a Champi

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Speaker 1: out of champion and every Chappion and care with Chappi

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Speaker 1: Cheppion and carry Cheppion and carry Chepi sports, and the

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Speaker 1: same making naked pork Harry Cheppion and carry Chappi Chappian.

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Speaker 1: The champion they carry Cheppion Chappi and they care with

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Speaker 1: Cheppion and Carna. Hey, everybody, thank you for being patient.

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00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: You're good. You're good to me, and I appreciate you all.

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Speaker 1: We have more With Michael Harriet. I love the idea

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Speaker 1: of talking to you about what makes you you and

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Speaker 1: you giving me all of these gems, which is for

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Speaker 1: free because you do that on the Twitter. Um. But

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. You tweeted something, um that I

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Speaker 1: thought was interesting and I want you to talk to

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Speaker 1: me about that as we are on the subject of

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Speaker 1: this this freedom, this this constitution, if you will. So

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Speaker 1: the tweet was and resent it to me, Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: is to free speech what America is to liberty injustice.

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00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Yeah, so you know, Elion Musk

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Speaker 1: is supposedly a free speech proponent, but like when we

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Speaker 1: talk about free speech is kind of like that Second

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Speaker 1: Amendment right that we talked about and the things that

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about earlier, Like they really mean that

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Speaker 1: in the context of whiteness, we know black people can't

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Speaker 1: say or do what they want to, and when we

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Speaker 1: talk about free speech, you've got to realize it. All

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Speaker 1: that also means protests the right to a civil and

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Speaker 1: we know, like without a violence if we protest you know, peacefully.

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Speaker 1: And so when Eli Must talks about free speech, he's

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Speaker 1: talking about free speech for people that look like him,

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Speaker 1: for white people. In the same way that when we

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Speaker 1: talk about liberty and justice for all in America, right,

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Speaker 1: we know that we have never been afforded that opportunity

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Speaker 1: or that that privilege to be subject to justice. Um.

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00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: The data in the criminal justice system shows it, um

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Speaker 1: and every statistics since the beginning of this country proves

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00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: that we've never had liberty, you know quite literally liberally

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Speaker 1: Like you know, for most of the history of this country,

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00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: black people have been enslaved or subject to Jim Crowe right,

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Speaker 1: like we are like certified he is at our bilt

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Speaker 1: um of kind of quasi liberty. But that's what American is.

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00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: And like we teach our kids to stand up in

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Speaker 1: school and and say that quote in the same way,

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Speaker 1: like we believe that Eli Must is fighting for freedom

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00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: of speak, but he he ain't right. But again, because

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00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: of whiteness, he gets to be the gets afforded the

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00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: ability to that people believe what he said. Why you

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00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: could say things and if he says it over and

546
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: over again, it becomes true. Ye okay, so we all knew.

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00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: I had Marian Williamson on my podcast and she said,

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00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: if somebody shows you they are jerk, they are jerk.

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00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't know why we don't believe him. They they

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Speaker 1: have said white people have said we're getting Trump back

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00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: on social media, We're gonna put him in office. He

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00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: about to be the president again. They have not lied,

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00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: they have They have said to us very clearly, what

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Speaker 1: it is in this illusion of free speech that he

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Speaker 1: says he's giving. Is there a point where you believe

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00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: and you know the constitution, you know what people's rights

557
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: are that we should be taking away Donald Trump's privilege

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Speaker 1: to be on social media because of his way of

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Speaker 1: being on social media, so well, you know constitutionally, just

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00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: having just doesn't have anything to do with constitution, right

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00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: Like Twitter as a company and people who own a

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00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: private company have the right to decide like who used

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00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: their stuff and who doesn't? Um, and do you know

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00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: they can set a set of rules and as long

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00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: as you were biden by the rules, you can you

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00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: can use the product. Um what it relates to Donald Trump, though,

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00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't again with no evidence at all. I don't

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Speaker 1: know why we don't think white people will do what

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00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: they did, what they just did, right like, like Biden

570
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: barely beat Donald Trump, right like it was a big

571
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: electoral college victory, but it was close, like it was

572
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: like one chance, and more people voted for Biden than

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Speaker 1: anyone in the history of this country. So unless more

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Speaker 1: people come out to vote than anyone and in the

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00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: history of this country again, it's almost a given that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, if he decides to run, will be president again.

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00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: And it's because of white like. He doesn't he didn't

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00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: have a political platform, he didn't have ideology. All he

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00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: does is appealed to whiteness and the idea that it

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Speaker 1: won't happen again. I hadn't seen any reason why it wouldn't,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know as I don't see any reason

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00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: why the Democratic Party could motivate people to to get

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00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: out there and do this again. Or I don't see

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Speaker 1: why we're letting him back on social media. I don't

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Speaker 1: see why this is even a conversation. I don't see

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Speaker 1: why the same old taxis are still being used for

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00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: a war that we didn't even win. But I do,

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Speaker 1: I do want to ask you this because I think

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00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: it's important. Like I said it, while listening to you,

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00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm learning so much more. I'm hearing so much more.

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00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: And that's just you hold audience and people want to

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00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: pay attention. Um. You talk to me a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago about the book you're working on, and I

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00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: know that people know of it as well because I

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00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: went on Amazon. They were like, you can preorder, but

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00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: tell me about your your book that you're writing, um,

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Speaker 1: and what do you believe it will serve as for

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00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: the for the culture. Yeah. So the book that I'm

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00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: writing is, uh, well it's finished now. It's called Black

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Speaker 1: a f History, The Unwhite Story of America. And it

601
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: is just a different way of looking at history from

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Speaker 1: the perspective of blackness. And it is not uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of in the vein of every history book

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00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: you've ever read. So, for instance, when you read about

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Speaker 1: you know, the people who say ath America, and you

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00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: read about the English and the French and the Dutch

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00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: who settled New York and the Spanish who settled in

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Speaker 1: in Florida and Georgia, and then you know when they

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00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: talk about the slaves, they say the Africans like like

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Speaker 1: they don't have a past, they don't have a like

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00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: they didn't know where they got them from. This the Africans, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think this book. One of the funny

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Speaker 1: things that we do in this book is that, like

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Speaker 1: we just referred to the white people as the white people, right,

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00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: so as much as possible. Right, So when we talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, the people who were in who came like

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Speaker 1: forty of the enslaved people in America came through South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: But we know where they came from, right, because we

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Speaker 1: know that they went specifically to what they call the

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Speaker 1: Gold Coast, like Sierra Leone and uh, the gold Coast

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Speaker 1: to West Africa because they had the intellectual property to

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Speaker 1: grow the first cash crop in America. Rights, So we

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Speaker 1: know like this some of the um we know where

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00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: they came from. We know where the Galla culture came

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00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: came from. So we uh, you know, like we talked

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Speaker 1: about the Stone a Rebellion, we call Jimmy the guy

627
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: who started the Stone a Rebellion, We call him and

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00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: and Golden. He's not just the African right, and he

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Speaker 1: was fighting the white people, right, And so when the

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Speaker 1: white people came over here, like we refer to the

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Speaker 1: Native American people by their indigenous names, not the Powhattan

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Speaker 1: and all those names that were so you just like

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Speaker 1: white peoples three person four and yeah, because I mean

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Speaker 1: when you think about it, though, if you are black

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00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: in America, like in eighteen twenty three or in seventeen

636
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: eighty six, it was just white people, right like you

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00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: didn't know. You couldn't differentiate between the English and the Spanish,

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00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: or the slave owners and the uh, the abolitionists. It

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00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: was just all a bunch of white people. You read

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00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: from a ball and so, uh, you know, the book

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00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: is funny. The book is this starts you know, in

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Speaker 1: the fifteen hundreds and takes us all the way up

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Speaker 1: to two thousand and twenty. And it's a complete you know,

644
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: not everything, but it is uh complete. I think it's

645
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: created like a social studies textbook. Um and the history

646
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: of black people in America. I love it. I love it,

647
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: I love it, I love it. I can't wait. It'll

648
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: be funny and also educational. I also, before I let

649
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: you go, uh, y'all don't know this. They're listening, but

650
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: we've been working on this podcast for five days. We

651
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: finally got it ready to go. We were we read

652
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: into some issues. Were trying to do it for five

653
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: days and I've kept him here twenty four hours a

654
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: day for five days talking on this podcast. Me while

655
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: um seriously, the question that I was gonna ask you, um,

656
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: which relates to invited to a cookout? Right, invited to

657
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: the cookout? What where do you get your your questions

658
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: from that that go viral or always get the get

659
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: the response that they do. Who we all came come

660
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: to the cookout? Everyone is taking a version of that.

661
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: And I want to know, you know, is it that

662
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: you know my legend tells me you created it and

663
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: you've been able to use it and let other people

664
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: reproduce it. Talk to me about that. Yeah, So invited

665
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: to the cookout? Like he literally started when I was

666
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: living in Alabama and could go home for a Labor

667
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: Day and I uh just like wrote this piece on

668
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: like well, you know, just giving people the rules for

669
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: what to do at a black cookout. It was a

670
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: Caucasian rules to black barbecues. And and so you know,

671
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: the premise was like a what if a white person

672
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: was invited to a cookout? And so really I don't

673
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: get like the premise of all of the that stuff

674
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: that people think is funny. Goes back to the beginning

675
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: of his podcast, right, like if you are raised where

676
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: blackness is normal, and you have to explain what is

677
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: normal to white people, and like it sounds it's comedy,

678
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: but it's based in truth, Like white people don't know

679
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: that their food tastes funny because like, bro, you can't. Yeah,

680
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: like you don't. You know, you remember that video that

681
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: was on on social media about these people, like the

682
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: woman was confronting her daughter because she tries something new

683
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: with the macaroni. Yeah, yes, don't play with things given that.

684
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: Don't play with things giving. Yeah, but what were the

685
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: what were the rules? What were the rules that you

686
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: were giving to the And the fact that you said

687
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: Caucasian that's even more hilarious to me for the rules,

688
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: like you know it was it was basic rules like

689
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: if you black, they don't seem like that even interesting,

690
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: like you gotta know like the protocol for when you

691
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: can even get your plate right, Like first of all

692
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: the deacons and the preachers, and then it's the older

693
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: people and they're like, you can't just be thirteen years

694
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Speaker 1: old and just walk up to the line you don't

695
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: get you ain't even old enough to get food with

696
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: a bone in it yet, right, like you get hot

697
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: dogs and in Hamburg, that's right. Like or when somebody

698
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: going into the trunk, like they're not going to get

699
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: a good bro, they're going to get some look if

700
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: they come out with a brown bag, right, and then

701
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, like the later it gets right, you know,

702
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: you know when the end of the cookout is because

703
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna start playing like gospel music, like they can

704
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: play like but when they when they start playing some

705
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: good church music, there is a boy it every time

706
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: it's about time to go go home, right, like, and

707
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: you can't curse at a cookout, except though if you

708
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: on the spades table now the space paper is like

709
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: a cone of offensiveness that like just protected at the cookout,

710
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: right and so and then like like white people don't

711
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: know like why white Like like someone literally asked me

712
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: what I'm like, why does everybody have a white towel?

713
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: Like what does that signify? Like, No, you don't know

714
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: what the sweat brag is, bro, But you gotta think

715
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: about like, you know, that would seemed kind of funny

716
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: if you didn't know what it was yeah, yeah, but

717
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: why we always got to explain us. Why come they

718
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: don't know us the same way you're fascinated by them?

719
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: How come they're not fascinated by us and want to

720
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: know us? Yeah, but the thing was, like I was

721
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: really giving some comedy for black people, like white people

722
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: really didn't They never learn us from from an article.

723
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Speaker 1: But it is funny too for black people to think about,

724
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: like how white people think about it, because it was

725
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: really our article about white people. Like white people don't

726
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: put seasons like they just they hamburger patties and put

727
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: them on the grill, the season of salt, Like what

728
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: are you doing? But you just you can't explain that

729
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: to them because it's fine. It's fine to them. Yeah,

730
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, they don't understand, like you can't eat from

731
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Speaker 1: certain people's house because they don't you know, watch their

732
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: chicken off. Dude, you cannot eat from certain people's house.

733
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Speaker 1: You can't spend the night at everybody's house. You who

734
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Speaker 1: made the potato salad um? And I, oh, your daddy's

735
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: little girlfriend made the greens. I don't want them like

736
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: you have to be a certain age to make a

737
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: certain type of greed. I was with Jamal Hill the

738
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: other day and she's like, come over, I'm making greenes.

739
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: I was like, you're not old enough. She just didn't

740
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: It didn't feel right that she was making green. She

741
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: did a good job, but I was just like, I

742
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: what what are you putting in them? You know? Is

743
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: it a fatback? Is it? What? When I just turkey

744
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: me what we're doing? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Yeah,

745
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: I really feel like you can't like you can't make

746
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: a green or a macaroni until you've been inducted, and

747
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: to like, yeah, I don't even know if there is

748
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: an age to it. Um as much as you had

749
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: to have spent enough time did you put in and

750
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta be have spent ten thousand hours

751
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: with somebody who had like maybe thirty three peppermints in

752
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: their pocket book? Correct bigs, little cousin, Yeah, I don't know.

753
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: Like I had to see what the size of your

754
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: Bible is before you because like if you got a

755
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: regular like Bible, no bro, and I got to see

756
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: how much you highlighted in it all that I need

757
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: to do a forensic search of your Bible because I

758
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: need to know one how big it is what pages

759
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: are written in, what are high because this tells me

760
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: how well and how close you are to God and

761
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: how good your mac and cheese and green is gonna

762
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: be correct? Like you like, yes, you can't let somebody

763
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: cook your greens, just like you can't let anybody pray

764
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: for you like you gotta. It's like that's the same

765
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: kind of category, right, you gotta pray are in greens.

766
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: That's the same kind of club. They gotta be qualified. Yeah,

767
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't want your prayers. I'm all set should go

768
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: wrong if I haven't, so, Michael, thank you so. But

769
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: you've been a pleasure. Okay, So really quickly, everybody follow

770
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: him on Twitter and and your and your thought processes,

771
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: and I want to make sure I understand what you

772
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: said to me. Um you're questioning. Your train of thought

773
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: comes from just the fact that you're interested and fascinated

774
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: by them, and you're and and that's how you're able

775
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: to have such a good conversation with so many people

776
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: and have different different takes on the world when it

777
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: comes to white Yeah, because blackness is normal and whiteness

778
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: it is something that you have to like that I

779
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: have to investigate and see why because it kind of

780
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: don't make any sense. Are you gonna get me fired?

781
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: What do you that? Really? I own it? Um? It

782
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: don't make no sense. It doesn't in a lot of ways,

783
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: it does it, um, which is why I appreciate you

784
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: being so light and funny and talk and celebrating us,

785
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: because quite frankly, we need to celebrate us and and

786
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: we do trauma. I mean when I tell you we

787
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: are the funny don't you think black people are the

788
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: funniest people? We are the funniest people. Yeah, Well, we

789
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: invented like the American form of comedy, and we we're

790
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: definitely the funniest people on the planet because you gotta

791
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,479
Speaker 1: be able to laugh through all this stuff that dy've

792
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: subjected us to and still survive. You know, just think

793
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 1: about how much you can just concentrate on the trauma. Yeah,

794
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: and you gotta make fun of it because we really

795
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: need to laugh more than anything. Michael Harriet, I can't

796
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: wait to come down to visit the new house that

797
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: we talked about offline. Now that I have your number,

798
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: I'm ready to come down from my my BnB here,

799
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: live my best life down here. Thank you for joining

800
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 1: us un naked, but thank you for having for Happy

801
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: for Happy Black, a f history white watched Story of

802
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: America by Michael Harriet. You guys go out and support seriously,

803
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: uh pre order order do all the things because Michael

804
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: is truly a gym for us. He gives us a

805
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: very comprehensive and very hilarious version of American history that

806
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: talks about black folks in the history of this country.

807
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: I just had this conversation with a good friend of mine.

808
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: I said, when I when I was in school, history

809
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: went like this. For for black people, it was slavery,

810
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: then Martin Luther King Jr. And Malcolm X. Then we

811
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: free because we got Obama as he was our president.

812
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: That's not how it works. The erasure of our contributions

813
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: to society are long gone, and it's nice to know

814
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: what we did to build this country, to be active

815
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: and informing what this country is today and how it

816
00:48:55,200 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: is ignored, ignored, forgotten, erased. I also suggest to you

817
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: Before the Mayflower, that's another good book to read about

818
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: our contributions to this country because I went to public school,

819
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: and everything that I want to know about the contributions

820
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: of African Americans and society must be learned on my own.

821
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: When I got to college, I started to read more

822
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,479
Speaker 1: and more because I was a free thinker. I didn't

823
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: have to do what I was told. And I encourage

824
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: you there's still time and if you don't like reading,

825
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: go ahead and get a book on tape right book

826
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: all audiobook audiobook book on tape? How what am I? Uh? So?

827
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: Please support Michael Harriet. He's hilarious. But most importantly, what

828
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: I have been telling you over the last couple of

829
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: weeks is just get activated. Everyone contributes in their own way.

830
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: Make sure that our stories are told. Make sure that

831
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: your story is told. Control your own narrative. Um. And

832
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: that is us saying no to what society has fed us,

833
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: and us saying yes to the reality of what it

834
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: truly is. That is the only way we can change

835
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: the game. And I hope that you've been inspired and

836
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: motivated and activated in some form fashion today by listening

837
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Speaker 1: to Naked. I appreciate you all. Back next week. M

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Speaker 1: m HM