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Speaker 2: all things Mets implosion, Yankees limitations, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets.

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Speaker 2: is Jalen Brunson's co pilot to take the Knicks to

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Speaker 2: a different level? The great Ian O'Connor good forty minute interview.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait, so Woes reports that the Sixers. Harden is

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Speaker 2: This is, of course the right move. Tyrese Maxi is

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Speaker 2: ascending into a number two and beat his a number one.

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Speaker 2: Tobias Harris is certainly good enough to be a three.

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Speaker 2: Harden is not a trustable, winning post season player. You

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Speaker 2: He has become a better distributor over time, never been

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Speaker 2: gms are desperate suckers for talent, and you will be

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Speaker 2: able to find somebody that takes James Harden. But I

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Speaker 2: They never look back. So to me, Kyrie Irving creates drama.

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Speaker 2: absolutely making the right move sign Harden. Move him. There's

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Speaker 2: They had good wings and Paul George and Kawhi missed

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Speaker 2: so many games. Westbrook shows up every night, gives you

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Speaker 2: the batman now woes. Reports that the Clippers and the

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Speaker 2: more realistic than the next two. Well, he's my favorite

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Speaker 2: East Coast voice. Ian O'Connor a four time New York

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Speaker 2: Times best selling author the book on Coach k Derek

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Speaker 2: Jeter Belichick three for three, All Fantastic, New York Daily News, Now,

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Speaker 2: The New York Post, USA Today, ESBN, known him, loved

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Speaker 2: him for years. He is now joining us, and we

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Speaker 2: got a lot to talk about. So I remember when

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Speaker 2: talk is driven by it out West. It is not.

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Speaker 2: It's more of an NBA NFL discussion. But the intensity

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Speaker 2: and the passion is redeemable. And I missed so much

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Speaker 2: not hearing Sports Talk Radio New York. After the Mets

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Speaker 2: was that? The tipping point? Is Buck Showalter in trouble

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a tipping point, Colin, because

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Speaker 3: And I don't think it's the tipping point as far

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Speaker 1: So I don't think you can fire him in the

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Speaker 3: I really don't, And so I think he deserves the

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Speaker 1: That I think, actually, you could make a case.

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Speaker 3: You could argue it makes sense to fire a coach

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Speaker 2: You know, they're not hitting, they're not getting the ball

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Speaker 1: This is going to be fascinating to watch because the Mets.

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Speaker 1: Baby will see.

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Speaker 2: All right, pivot to football. The early season schedule is

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Speaker 1: But I think that's the problem is look at that schedule.

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Speaker 3: They can go maybe five and two sixty one, sneak

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be really interesting because the Packers furnished him

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Speaker 3: a very very good leader on and off the field

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Speaker 3: by all accounts. Let's see if it holds up and

434
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 3: let's see how that translates on the field in September

435
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 3: when they play for real. But as much as people

436
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 3: have talked about what an all time great quarterback can

437
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 3: do for this hapless franchise. I think there's a lot

438
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Speaker 3: that New York Jets can do for Aaron Rodgers. Like

439
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 3: I just said, if he somehow can win one in

440
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,959
Speaker 3: the two or three years that he plays here in

441
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 3: New York and gets number two, it's going to feel

442
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 3: like he won four rings. It's almost like what Messier

443
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: did coming in New York in ninety four, even though

444
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 3: he had won five in Edmonton. He wins a Cup

445
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 3: ends a what a fifty fifty four year drought, and

446
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: the one cup people talk about when they talk about

447
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: his legacy is the one he won for the Rangers

448
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 3: in New York.

449
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Speaker 1: And he'll tell you that too.

450
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Speaker 3: So I think that's the kind of opportunity that Rogers has.

451
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: Let's see how it plays out.

452
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Speaker 2: There's a book behind you, Belichick. It's a great book.

453
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: I highly recommend to our audience. I had ian on

454
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: for the Coach K book. I thought it's just the

455
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: definitive book on Coach K and the Duke program Captain

456
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: with Derek Jeter and Belichick and Belichick. You know, if

457
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: you go look at the history of sports, there'll be

458
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,239
Speaker 2: cultural changes in all of them. We've seen it with

459
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: baseball analytics. You know, it used to be the strikeout.

460
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 2: Dave Kingman was almost like a cartoonish. Today he'd be

461
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: Cody Bellinger, right, home run or strike it. It's not

462
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: as punitive, right like analytics have changed in football. It's

463
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: not as anally analytically driven as basketball, NBA, the three

464
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 2: point shot, small ball, although I do think we're pivoting

465
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 2: back to international bigs and highly skilled bigs. But in

466
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: the NFL it's more of an offensive league, mostly because

467
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: of that nearly billion dollar check they wrote for CTE

468
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 2: head injuries. This league is all about offense. It's good

469
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: for ratings, it's good for fantasy, and it's good for

470
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: lawsuits like don't write, don't be too there's already a

471
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 2: regular level of violence. And so if you look at

472
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: the remaining coaches the last several years, they're all offensive.

473
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: I think it was two years ago every NFC playoff

474
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: team had an offensive coach. Belichick has looked particularly tone

475
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: deaf dealing with Mac Jones and you know that whole culture.

476
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to throw a theory at you and a

477
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: shoot holes in it. But Belichick largely ran the Patriots dynasty.

478
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft hands off. Brady was never subversive. Ever, it

479
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 2: was Bill's team. In fact, later he complained about not

480
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: having a say in the offense, and so Brady eventually

481
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: leaves because he just doesn't get control. Even though there

482
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: was a moment Tom goes to Craft, they sell off

483
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: Garoppolo and it was the one time Belichick was not

484
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: running the show. So mac Jones comes in. McEnroe. Jones

485
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: a little bit of an ego, a little bit of

486
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: an attitude, and it feels like Bill is really punishing

487
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: him and marginalizing him. They re signed DeVonta Parker, Juju Smith, Schuster.

488
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: Those are players that need coaching in schemes to get opened.

489
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 2: They do not separate. They have no tight end or

490
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: receiver that is an ad libber, a playmaker. Maybe the

491
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: slowest team in the perimeter in the league. And what

492
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: it does, it drives the organization once again back through

493
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: Bill run game defense. I'm not going to create a

494
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: quarterback who is so powerful that can go through the owner.

495
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: And maybe I'm reaching on this, but I'm watching their moves.

496
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: They make no sense. They drafted three guards and two kickers.

497
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: First three picks were defense. They're the slowest offense in

498
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: the league. Doesn't it strike you odd over the last

499
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: two drafts two years, the lack of in a cultural shift,

500
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 2: the lack of offensive awareness. Am I missing something? No?

501
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: I think it has been very surprising.

502
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: And Bill's history though, if you look at how many

503
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: Hall of famers true Hall of famers did Tom Brady

504
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 3: ever play with Randy Moss? They didn't win a championship together,

505
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 3: that didn't last long, and of course Gronk Outside of that,

506
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 3: in terms of weapons, Brady was elevating a whole lot

507
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: of people out there. So and Mac Jones, he's not

508
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: Tom Brady. He has a chance maybe to win a

509
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 3: championship or two. This is such a huge year for

510
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: him now that he has a real offensive coordinator. Again

511
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 3: at Bill O'Brien and Belichick has never really been big

512
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: on drafting weapons and running a high powered offense, even

513
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 3: though in two thousand and seven when they brought in

514
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: Randy Moss and Wes Welker was at the height of

515
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: his powers too. That offense was a complete juggernaut and

516
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: shattered all kinds of records. And in my book I

517
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 3: gave Bill credit for being a defensive genius, probably the

518
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: best defensive coach of all time and suddenly shifting and

519
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: with help from his staff of course, but utilizing the

520
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: turning that slot position into such a weapon which in

521
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: everybody tried to copy, and then later going with the

522
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: two tight ends with Gronk and Hernandez and so he

523
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: became a bit of an innovator on offense. But you're right,

524
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: and I think Brady would complain privately to people about

525
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: where are my weapons. He did have Randy Moss maybe

526
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: the greatest receiver of all time for a little while.

527
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Speaker 1: They didn't win one together they should have.

528
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: But outside of that and Gronka tight end, he's been

529
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: doing or did do, a ton of elevating of people

530
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: who were pretty good to good football players, but not

531
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: great players at the skill position slots. So I think, yeah,

532
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: on one hand, it's a bit surprising. On the other hand,

533
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: when has he done it? He just had a much

534
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: better quarterback than he has right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk to giants. I had this

536
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: rant a couple of weeks ago, and I said, we've

537
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: always known how great Peyton Manning is, but because of

538
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: his greatness, we never quite gave Eli Manning his just

539
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: deserves his two greatest passes in the Super Bowl as

540
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: he beat Brady and Belichick were to Mario Manningham and

541
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: David Tyree, Plexico and him had some good days, but

542
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: he did it with a defensive line, a little bit

543
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: of a rigid head coach. He didn't have great offensive lines.

544
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Speaker 2: And I said, if you take Eli's prime of twelve

545
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: years out, what have the Giants been in twenty years?

546
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: Is that because of Peyton's greatness in kind of flamboyant,

547
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: funny personality. Eli's much funnier now that he's retired. That

548
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: are the Giants really well run? They ran through gms,

549
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: They've run through coaches that we've never quite said to ourselves.

550
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah he wanted oh miss. He beat Brady Belichick twice.

551
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: He never had great receiving. Course, I'll ask you take

552
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: out Eli's twelve prime years, it's an abysmal record. Are

553
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: the Giants? Are the Giants well run?

554
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: Well?

555
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: I said this before, but John Marraw was a good

556
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 3: owner when he had a good head coach and a

557
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: good quarterback, and that was Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning.

558
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: When he didn't, he was a bad owner, and that

559
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: lasted a while. And now he's got a GM in

560
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: place in Joe Shane, the head coach in Dable, and

561
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: maybe a quarterback in Daniel Jones, who know what they're doing.

562
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: So he's back to being a pretty good owner again.

563
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: But he was a bad owner for a while. There's

564
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: no question it was making bad hires. Gettlemen and some

565
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: of the coaches that were brought in Pat Shermer. I mean,

566
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: that never made any sense to hire that guy. And

567
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: so finally I think they got it right. And they've

568
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: had some dark periods, of course in their history. The

569
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: Giants have followed by some tremendous periods with Parcels and

570
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: then with Coughlin to really, if you look at it

571
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: in that Coughlin Eli era that you're talking about their

572
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: best team, they really should have won three titles. Their

573
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: best team was the twenty eight team, if Plaxico doesn't

574
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: accidentally shoot himself. Kaughlin told me they thought they were

575
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: winning the whole thing. That was the only dominant Giants team.

576
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: They were eleven to zero that year, and then all

577
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: hell broke loose after the Plaxico accidental shooting. So they

578
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: could have won three titles and they blew it and

579
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: so never got that one back. But yes, you could

580
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: certainly argue the Giants were a poorly run franchise.

581
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Speaker 1: If you take you take it away a lot, though

582
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: that's a lot of years.

583
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: There that Eli was a good I don't think Eli

584
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: was ever a great or one of the best three

585
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the NFL in any particular season, but he

586
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: was very opportunistic and he was good. And then he

587
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: was great in the biggest moments against the greatest coach

588
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: and greatest quarterback of all time, and that'll probably get

589
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: him in the Hall of Fame.

590
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

591
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: I always felt he had a unique ability. You know,

592
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: they talked about when he was a kid and nothing

593
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: bothered him, whereas Eli was whereas Peyton Manning was known

594
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: as a bit of a heath clencher in big moments,

595
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: really intense. People I know who know Peyton very very intense.

596
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 2: I've done a couple of interviews where I've had Peyton

597
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: and Eli together and Eli's always like late and Peyton

598
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: dogged him, and Eli's laughing Eli had. It's not aloof

599
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 2: because he has no arrogance. Eli had. I just I

600
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: love the guy he's got. He reminds me a little

601
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: bit of my son. Everything rolls off his back. Nothing

602
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: is outrageous. He's just and I think some of that Ian,

603
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have relationships like this that

604
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: his brother was so intense. Maybe it's to curry favor

605
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: with dad and mom. He was the funny guy right

606
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: like in the family. And so I always thought Eli's

607
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: personality it was so unique. You know, Brady's so focused

608
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: and Russell Wilson so focused, and it's like Eli's like

609
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: this kind of country, smart, funny. Pressure doesn't face him.

610
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: I remember early in his career thinking this guy is

611
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: one of the best two minute quarterbacks. It was literally like,

612
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: can we just keep him in the two minute drill

613
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: the rest of the game. I have my apprehension he

614
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: was what was he like to cover?

615
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: Interesting?

616
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 3: And so he's as you said, he's shown more of

617
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: his personality and retirement than he did as an active player.

618
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: But he was accountable and always there, and he had

619
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 3: a little rule, if we win, I'm not talking on Mondays.

620
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 3: He had his usual day of Wednesdays when he talked

621
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: before the next game, if we lose, I'll talk on

622
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: Mondays because I want to take my fair share of

623
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 3: the blame.

624
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: And when the Giants won on Sunday.

625
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: He wanted to make sure other teammates had their moment

626
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: in the sun on Monday with the media and didn't

627
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: want to de track from that. I remember one time

628
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 3: they were playing the Patriots in the regular season. He

629
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: had already beaten the Patriots in the Super Bowl once,

630
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: if not twice, and it was a Monday and they

631
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: were coming off a win. And I went to the

632
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: Giants PR people and I said, hey, you guys are

633
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 3: playing the Patriots.

634
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: It's Eli.

635
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 3: I know you won yesterday, and he wants his teammates

636
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 3: to get the credit. He needs to talk today, even

637
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: if it's just for six minutes. So one of the

638
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: PR reps walked over to Eli whispered to him. I

639
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: saw him, not his head, and he understood.

640
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: He got it. He realized that that was a day,

641
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: that was one.

642
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: Day he needed to make an exception because it was

643
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: the New England Patriots that they were playing the following Sunday.

644
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: And he did it. Eli always did the right thing,

645
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: and that was the right thing. It was. It's a

646
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: little window into his soul.

647
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: I had conversations many with Archie about the difference between

648
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: Peyton and Eli, and Archie said, could you imagine if

649
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: Peyton ever played in New York, he said, the media

650
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: and Peyton would have been at each other's throats.

651
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: In week one of his rookie year.

652
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: He said, Peyton would have It would have been a

653
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: disaster Peyton in New York. So he said, thankfully that

654
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: never happened. Eli was the perfect personality for New York because,

655
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 3: like you said, he let everything roll off his back.

656
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: I remember one time Archie told me that it was

657
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 3: a day where Tiki Barber just ripped Coughlin in the

658
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: media and Archie called up Eli on the phone and

659
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: realizing Eli didn't care, was obliviou and Eli was heading

660
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 3: to the silly but the call went to voicemail, and

661
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: Archie said, Eli, you have to know this. Tiki just

662
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: blew up Coughlin. When you arrive at work, they're going

663
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: to ask you about it. You need to know about this.

664
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Speaker 3: So he said, that's how Eli was like, he wouldn't

665
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: have cared. I'm sure if he walked in there, he

666
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 3: would have handled the questions the way he always did.

667
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: And he said, but there are certain times where it

668
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 3: was maddening. I needed to call my own son, say

669
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: you have to understand this is New York.

670
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: Chiki just blew up. Coughlin.

671
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 3: You have to answer this, be prepared. So I always

672
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 3: got to kick out of those Archie stories.

673
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: Well, you know, New York has an interesting history. If

674
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: you come in as a non star and develop into

675
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: one Judge Jeter, Eli Phil Simms, it always works when

676
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: you come in, even as a college player, as a star.

677
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: John Carlos Stanton, a Rod Carmelo Anthony. I'm probably missing

678
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: so Jeremy Shockey was a huge going to be a

679
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: star player. There's something about it in New York. Maybe

680
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: it's the expectations of New York, like they hold you

681
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: most of the great iconic New Yorkers and I wasn't

682
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: around during the Man era. If you come in and

683
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: develop into one, there's just an appreciation by New Yorkers.

684
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: I always think. I think NBA guys know this, like

685
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: they not a lot of free agents. That's why Jalen

686
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 2: Bruntson is such a perfect nick. He's becoming a star

687
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: in New York. That's exactly how to do it. When

688
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: you bring in Marberry. When you bring in it doesn't work,

689
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel the same.

690
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: Well the one time, the one time it did was

691
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: Reggie Jackson.

692
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 3: I know we're going back Holme yes years, but he

693
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 3: was a star and he wanted to be a bigger star.

694
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: It worked to the tune of two championships.

695
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: Now, it was a pretty ugly ending, but Reggie was

696
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: one guy who came in as a star.

697
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: It was it was was combustible, but it worked.

698
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 3: And the relationship with Thurman Munson and they were complete

699
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: opposites and at times it got really tense in that clubhouse.

700
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: Obviously I wasn't there.

701
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: I was thirteen years old, but reading all the accounts,

702
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: but Reggie became an even bigger star and just just

703
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: thrived on that spotlight and all the tension around that team.

704
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to get a Knicks discussion in because

705
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: the free agent stuff today. When this airs on Friday,

706
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 2: the free agent opens up. I've said this, I believe

707
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson is the perfect New York Knicks star. So

708
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: when I lived in Connecticut and I still have friends

709
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: in New York, the Knicks were actually the most popular team.

710
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: Here's why. Because my baseball friends were split and my

711
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: NFL fans were split, Giants, Jets, Yankees, Mets. Everybody had

712
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 2: the Knicks. As their favorite New York team or second

713
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: like some people would be big Yankee fans, but the Knicks,

714
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: the natural were irrelevant the Knicks. Every friend I had

715
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 2: in the Northeast love the Knicks. It's an incredible baseball market.

716
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: It reminds me of Golden State. I grew up with

717
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: the Rick Berry, Al Addles, the coach, Clifford Ray, Jeff Mullen,

718
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: Keith Wilkes teams, and then they were bad forever, and

719
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: people forgot how great the Bay Area is at a

720
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: basketball city. When I lived out East, I couldn't believe

721
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: the Knicks would sell out. They were poorly owned, poorly run,

722
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 2: not likable, couldn't get tickets. And I said a couple

723
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 2: months ago, I said, Jalen Brunson is literally like Phil Simms.

724
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: He's becoming a star in New York and I don't

725
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: know how great he is. That guy fits that city

726
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: like Villanova, late rounder, tough, accountable, almost better in big spots,

727
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 2: like better in the fourth than the first quarter, better

728
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: against the heat than he would be against them. Magic.

729
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: They have Julius Randall, there's Josh Hart, there's RJ.

730
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: Barrett.

731
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: To you, Randall feels like an expensive two. He's probably

732
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: more of a three. Do you think there is a

733
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: deal around Brunson that feels like because Brunson's gonna need

734
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: another high end player? Is there something Is it a

735
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: zion be a fortune teller here? What do you think

736
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: feels right?

737
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: I wrote this a while back.

738
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: I always thought Carl Anthony Towns would end up a Nick.

739
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: Grew up in New Jersey ties with Leon Rose's running

740
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 3: the Knicks now as his former client. And obviously it

741
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: didn't work well with Tibbs the first time around in Minnesota.

742
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 3: They clashed, and I think part of that was Jimmy Butler.

743
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: But I think that I know for a fact that

744
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 3: Tom Thibodeau would be more than willing to coach Karl

745
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: Anthony Towns again. Now the question is how much better

746
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: do you think kat is than Julius Randall? Is there

747
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 3: a significant difference between those two players. I think he's

748
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: better than Randall and Randall Colin if you look at it.

749
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: And his two playoff opportunities with the Knicks hasn't played

750
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: that well. Now, he did restore most of his value

751
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: this year after last year's near disaster, but he played

752
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: at a really high level in the regular season this year,

753
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 3: and I think he does have value around the league

754
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 3: to some extent. So I think you could package him

755
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: with the Knicks have a lot of draft assets and

756
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 3: some good emerging young players to get a Carl Anthony

757
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: Towns if you feel like now, I do believe now

758
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: that I didn't think this when they got Jalen Brunson.

759
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: I think you can win a championship with Jalen Brunson

760
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 3: as your second best player. I did not think that

761
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 3: when they signed him. I don't know how you felt.

762
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: I just can't get over how impressed I am with

763
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: him and everything you said I agree with about Brunson

764
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: on and off the court. Brunson, See, here's the problem

765
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 3: with the Knicks. To me, it's almost in our J

766
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: Barrett problem. R. J. Barrett is a good player, and

767
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: he's going to be a good player for a long time.

768
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: But I don't think he'll ever be a great player.

769
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: And the problem is.

770
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: When you're six to six in the NBA in today's NBA,

771
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: and he's a good athlete, but he's not explosive athletically,

772
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: and he's not a good outside shooter, not a good

773
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: shooter from three. So I think when you're six to

774
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 3: six in the NBA, that'd be great or at least

775
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: very good. You have to be one of those things.

776
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: And so he represents the franchise the right way. He's

777
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: a hard worker, he's a good player, and I'm just

778
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: not sure he's ever going to be more than that.

779
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: So if he's positioned to be your third star, I'm

780
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: not sure that's good enough. So if you yes, should

781
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: they try to be in on Zion Whimson. Absolutely. I

782
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: think Zion always wanted to play for the Knicks, and

783
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: you could bring him in here and say, just get

784
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: in shape, and you can take New York away from

785
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: the two Arrans, Judge and Rogers. This city will be

786
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: yours because I was there in the nineties when the

787
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 3: Knicks were good, knocking on the door and never won

788
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: a title. They were bigger than the Yankees who were

789
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 3: winning titles. We're both on the MSG network, the Knicks

790
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: with the number one property on that network, so it

791
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: can happen. Zion Williamson, you come to New York, which

792
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 3: is where you wanted to be coming out of Duke,

793
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: get in shape, play seventy out of eighty two games,

794
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 3: and you can take this city away from the two Hounds.

795
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: I think that's that's certainly possible.

796
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Carl Anthony Towns is more offensively skilled

797
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: than Julius Randall. He doesn't give you the consistent effort.

798
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: Julius is one of those players that plays hard every night,

799
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: and that is so important in the regular season, but

800
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: when everybody plays hard in the playoffs, his dominance is

801
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 2: reduced and he becomes a really solid player. He really

802
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: is an effort guy. He just out works people and

803
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: ends up with twenty three points in the regular season.

804
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: So I think he's a and he's pretty expensive. I

805
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: like Julius Randall. I feel like the league sort of

806
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: left him, like he gives you a bucket, not a three,

807
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: And I feel like the Lakers kind of bailed on him.

808
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: And I had a conversation with a Laker executive once.

809
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, nobody plays harder, nobody shows up

810
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: every night. He just needs to be your three, not

811
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: your two or your one. So I'm with you. I

812
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 2: think if they get a one Jalen Bruns into two,

813
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: I think they'll move RJ.

814
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: Barrett.

815
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: I'm with you. There's not really a there there, Like

816
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys in my years of being

817
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: a sportscaster. There are guys in the NBA. I mean

818
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins. Was this in Minnesota? You got twenty four

819
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: a night. You didn't remember a bucket, You just didn't,

820
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: And it's just like, how did he score? There was

821
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: a player Sharif Abdul Raheem. Do you remember him?

822
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: The four un I do?

823
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, twenty four a night. I don't remember any

824
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: of the points. And then there's guys like Julius Randall

825
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: or Brunson. You remember all of them. They're very impactful.

826
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: So I think Karl Anthony Towns works and they also

827
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: the Knicks also have some big athletic guys like Obi Toppin.

828
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: They're not great players, but they certainly can be excellent

829
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: rotational players in a place like Minnesota. They've got some

830
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: size and athleticism in youth.

831
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mitchell Robinson is a good room protector, although he

832
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: might have to go in a deal if you're getting

833
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 3: a cat. But I also think if you look at me,

834
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 3: what's Anthony Edwards is still twenty one years old? The

835
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: guy's averaging twenty five points a game at age twenty one.

836
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: You got Gobert there. I think Julius Randall is a

837
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: better fit with Gobert than Karl Anthony Towns is. So

838
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: you try to look at it. What's realistic, and it's

839
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: not realistic to get certain players in the NBA to

840
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: New York. But I think now that they've established some

841
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: credibility there and Dolan hasn't talked about as much as

842
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: he was years ago.

843
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: I think Kat is a big name that.

844
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: Is realistic for a lot of reasons that we've talked

845
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: about here.

846
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: Now.

847
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: Whether or not he's a guy who can get you

848
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: to the NBA finals with Brunson, I don't know. You

849
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: might have to upgrade Barrett alongside those two to get

850
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 3: to that point, but I think it's a start.

851
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: Ian O'Connor columnist, New York Post, four time New York

852
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: Times best selling author. You see the books behind him

853
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: on our YouTube page. Coach k Belichick and the Captain,

854
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: it is always great to see you, wonderful family, and

855
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 2: uh I love these two to three time a year

856
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 2: visits for us. You give me kind of the full

857
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm getting a sports page. I'm getting it.

858
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: I'm getting like two three days of WFA N with more,

859
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: more redeemable opinions and less outrage. But I do miss it, man.

860
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: I my wife and I go to the New England area,

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Speaker 2: uh every year, and in the afternoons I'll turn on

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Speaker 2: New York Radio and it's just it's just fantastic. It's

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Speaker 2: all cats and dogs living together and outraged and fired.

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Speaker 2: But buck Buck Showalter was a genius nine months ago.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, it really is. So.

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Speaker 3: So the Aaron Rodgers thing is going to be just

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Speaker 3: fascinating to watch, and I really hope, just given what

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Speaker 3: Jets fans have been through, that this one actually works.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I'm being optimistic about ten and seven

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Speaker 3: making the playoffs and then coming back in year two and

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Speaker 3: maybe having a shot to get to the to the

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Speaker 3: big Game.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see. It should be fine.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Farv was seven and three before he got hurt.

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Speaker 2: It was working. I remember it, You remember it.

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Speaker 1: It was working.

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Speaker 3: It was people were talking about a Jets Giants super

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Speaker 3: Bowl that year. They were actually what I think there

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Speaker 3: were seven and four. Maybe no, they were eight and three.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, they were eight and three and the Giants

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Speaker 3: I think they were eleven and zero and Farv's arm

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Speaker 3: fell off or else the Jets would have been in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs with them. People forget that. They look at

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Speaker 3: far to the Jets as a disaster. It wasn't a disaster. No,

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Speaker 3: it got messy at the end, but when he was healthy,

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Speaker 3: he was still a good football player. You proved that

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota and the Jets would have made the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: So I'm hoping that's the case with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: Well, both Farv and Rogers and Eli had a strong

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Speaker 2: enough arm for those late fall, early winter home games,

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Speaker 2: which is a real thing in New York. That's not

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Speaker 2: the easiest stadium to throw in. Rogers has a hose,

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Speaker 2: Farv did, and Eli always had a really strong arm,

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Speaker 2: So that's a big part of those quarterbacks and the dimensions.

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Speaker 2: They're good seeing you, Ian Hey, thanks for everything, Colin

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Speaker 2: hit you back

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Speaker 1: The volume