1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: No handshake at the end of the ABC News presidential debate. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: Welcome back to special coverage simulcast here on Bloomberg TV 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: and Radio. I'm Kaylee Lines alongside Joe Matthew in Washington. 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: We all just witnessed together more than ninety minutes of 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump, 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: in which a range of issues were covered, from the 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 2: economy and the border to abortion and foreign policy. There 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: was a great deal with policy focus in this debate tonight, Joe, 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: though we did see attacks frankly coming from both sides 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: against you. 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 3: Shatha. 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, we should note for our viewers and listeners they 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 4: did go into overtime. That was a debate scheduled to 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 4: end roughly five minutes earlier than it did by the 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 4: time they got the second commercial break in and closing arguments, 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 4: closing statements. That is where we were here, So more 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 4: than a ninety minute romp here, no audience and a 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 4: range of issues. To your point, Kaylee, I think we 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 4: can argue that Kamala Harris had Donald Trump on the 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 4: defense from the start, got into the economy, moved into abortion. 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 4: I think an issue we can agree is favorable to 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 4: her and remarkable to see in this case. ABC News 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 4: fact checking live on a number of important issues which 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 4: we have not seen by a lot of networks so far. 26 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that included the issue of abortion, Donald Trump claiming 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: that Democrats were supporting including vice presidential nominee Tim Walls, 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: nine month abortion bands or execution after birth. ABC did 29 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: a fact check that there is no state in which 30 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: that is legal. We also got a fact check on 31 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: something being propagated in certain circles regarding the town of 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: Springfield and the idea that migrants are eating dogs. They 33 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: did reach out to the city manager. ABC did no 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: credible reports of pets being taken. We also saw a 35 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: number of other fact checks as well from ABC. It 36 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: is worth pointing out, though that there were a number 37 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: of things that we heard from both frankly that we 38 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 2: did want to check as well. We heard, once again 39 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: Donald Trump making comments around the border, the idea that 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: migrants and criminals are being sent in directly to Kamala Harris. 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 2: Of course, we've heard similar rhetoric before, and Kamala Harris 42 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: herself when I wanted to point out she said no, 43 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: member of the active duty military is currently in a 44 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: combat zone. We would point out just last month, the US, 45 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: together with a rock launched a joint raid targeting the 46 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: Islamic State. Seven American troops were hurt. And of course 47 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 2: we saw three soldiers killed in Jordan near the Syrian 48 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: border earlier this year. 49 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: There were a few more where that came from. 50 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 4: Donald Trump said Kamala Harris as a plan to defund 51 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 4: the police, which she refuted repeatedly over the course of 52 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 4: this conversation. And she said, he said that she has 53 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 4: a plan to confiscate everybody's gun. Interesting, Kaylee Kamala Harris 54 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: telling the audience tonight American voters that she as well 55 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 4: as Tim Walls are gun. 56 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 3: Owners, which is not something we hear too often. 57 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was something that was raised in her 58 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: primary campaign in twenty nineteen, but of course this is 59 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: a different campaign now. She was pressed during this debate 60 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: about some different policy tune she's singing now compared to 61 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: that the issue of fracking, for example, which she addressed directly. 62 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: Given this debate took place in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, critical swing state, 63 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: made it clear that she does not support a ban 64 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: on fracking. 65 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: That's right. 66 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 4: David Gura for Bloomberg is standing by in the spin room. 67 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: We're going to connect with him in a moment. 68 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: As the next phase of this operation is the spin itself, Kaylee, 69 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 4: Democrats and Republicans acting as surrogates for both campaigns are 70 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 4: filling the spin room right now. 71 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: Why don't we join David Gura. 72 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 4: He is with Michael Wattley, the co chair of the RNC, 73 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 4: just moments after the conclusion of this debate. 74 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: David, thanks show, Michael, good to see you, and I'd 75 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: love to just start by getting your sense of how 76 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: that went and sort of what stood out to you. 77 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: I know that there's some focus on policy at the beginning. 78 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: In the end, what did the president former president need 79 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: to do and sort of are you happy with with 80 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: how he comported himself? 81 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, Look, the president needed to come out here 82 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 5: and tell America what he is going to do to 83 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 5: solve the problems that Americans are facing right now. Every 84 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 5: American family is facing things like inflation, the invasion at 85 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 5: the southern border, and frankly our standing in the world. 86 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 5: And he came out very clearly and said that he 87 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 5: is going to stop the Southern invasion, at the border. 88 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 5: He's going to seal the border. He said that he 89 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 5: is going to stop inflationary spending, unleash American energy, and 90 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 5: help bring down prices for every American family. And he 91 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 5: said that he's going to ensure that America is strong 92 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 5: enough to protect our interests at home and abroad, as 93 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 5: well as our allies across the world. We feel very 94 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 5: good that that's the message that he needed to deliver tonight. 95 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: What did you make of the way he responded to 96 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: what the Vice President said repeatedly, which is it's not 97 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: time to look back, it's time to look forward. Did 98 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: he have, in your estimation a good response to that. 99 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 5: I think he did. Look I mean, we want to 100 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 5: look forward. This is all about what's going to happen 101 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 5: after this election cycle. We're at a critical inflection point 102 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 5: here right now in the history of this country, and 103 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 5: are we going to be strong or are we going 104 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 5: to be weak? Under Donald Trump, we are going going 105 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 5: to have a strong economy, a strong southern border, and 106 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 5: a strong standing in the world. And under Kamala Harris, 107 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 5: the exact opposite is true. 108 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: We heard a lot from the Vice president about her 109 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: tax plan, for instance, about the benefits she hopes to 110 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: get to small business owners. Was it by design that 111 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: we didn't get a lot of specifics from the former 112 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: president when it came to his tax plans, which we 113 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: saw unveiled a couple of days ago at the New 114 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: York Economic Club. 115 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: Not at all. 116 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 5: Look, President Trump has made it very clear he's going 117 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 5: to extend the Trump tax cuts. He is going to 118 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 5: make sure that we have no tax on tips, and 119 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 5: he's going to have no tax on Social Security. What 120 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 5: Kamala Harris has said is she is going to let 121 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 5: the Trump tax cuts expire, which will be the largest 122 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 5: tax increase on American families in the history of this country. 123 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: So when she. 124 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 5: Talks about the tax policies that she's rolled out there, 125 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 5: she is going to unleash the largest tax increase on 126 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 5: Americans and every American family. 127 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: Let me ask you about what happens in the coming days, 128 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: how we kind of move things forward from here? The 129 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: James Carvill line about you know, you're focusing on districts, 130 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: not on swing states themselves. What does the campaign need 131 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: to do in the coming days and we're just, you know, 132 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: less than two months in till the election itself. How 133 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: does this translate into momentum going forward as you see. 134 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 5: It, well, I think what we're going to do is 135 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 5: continue to go out there and talk directly to the 136 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 5: American voters. That's what Donald Trump did tonight, was he 137 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 5: delivered a message. He was not there to talk about 138 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 5: any particular rebuttals to Kamala Harris, but he wanted to 139 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 5: talk directly to the American voters about the issues that 140 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 5: they care about. We're going to continue to do that 141 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 5: for the next fifty five days. 142 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: Michael, let me ask you lastly about if there will 143 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: be any more debates. Having watched this one, do you 144 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: think there needs to be more? You in favor of 145 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: there being more debates between these two cana I. 146 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 5: Would love to have more debates. I think that it's 147 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 5: a good opportunity for us to have Kamala Harris try 148 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 5: and explain her positions. What we saw today, she's going 149 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 5: to double down on every single one of the failed 150 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 5: policies that she's championed over the course of her last 151 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 5: four years in the White House as well as her 152 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 5: terms in the Senate. Donald Trump is going to continue 153 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 5: to talk directly to the American voters about his vision 154 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 5: for making America great again, and any opportunity we have 155 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 5: to do that we want to take. 156 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: Michael, thank you very much, appreciate you. It's Michael Watley, 157 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: he's the chair of the Republican Notional Committee. Back to 158 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: you and Washington, Joe and Kayley. 159 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: All right. Bloomberg's David Gura with co chair of the 160 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: RNC Michael Wattley on the spin room floor in Philadelphia. 161 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. As we now have the Harris 162 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: campaign as well, talking about another debate. They say the 163 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: vice president is ready Joe for a second debate. I 164 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: guess we'll all have to stay tuned to see if 165 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: we actually do see that in October. There is an 166 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: October first debate scheduled between the vice presidential nominee. 167 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 4: A good reminder, so maybe a couple of weeks after that, 168 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 4: we could find ourselves here again in primetime. Brian Fallon 169 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 4: from the Harris campaign tweeting that was fun. 170 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: Let's do it again in October. 171 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 4: And based on what we've just heard from mister Wattley, 172 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 4: sounds like that might happen. 173 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 6: Yeah. 174 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: Of course the market will be watching as it was 175 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: watching this debate tonight. Shirley, you're already starting to see 176 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: movement in the predicted betting odds of the outcome of 177 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: this election. Over the course of the debate, the line 178 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: was going higher for Vice President Harrison, lower for Donald Trump. 179 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: Right now predict it showing fifty six percent odds of 180 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: a Harris victory forty eight percent odds of a Trump 181 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: one that has widened over the course of the last 182 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: several hours, and of course with us for the last 183 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: several hours watching this debate here on Bloomberg TV and 184 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: Radio as we simulcast it in real time. Rick Davis 185 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: stone Court Capital Partner and Jeanie Shanzino, political science professor 186 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: at Ioni University and senior Democracy Fellow at the Center 187 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: for the Study of the Presidency in Congress our signature 188 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: political panel. Rick, if you just look at the odds, 189 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: I was mentioning, it seems that there is a feeling 190 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: that Kamala Harris won this debate, that it may make 191 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: it more likely that she wins. 192 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 193 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 7: I think if you put it in a context of 194 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 7: who was going after swing voters, you know those folks 195 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 7: in suburbs, mostly women, or the white working class, especially 196 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 7: males elderly in the Ross belt states, then you could 197 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 7: hear her actually reach out to them and talk to them. Clearly, 198 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 7: what Trump's strategy was tonight was to fire up the base. 199 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: He talked to his own voters. 200 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 7: He didn't talk, you know, anybody who would be considered 201 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 7: an independent or swing voter in his rhetoric. And so 202 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 7: maybe that was the strategy, and I think they both 203 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 7: pursued their strategy in effective way. I would say most 204 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 7: of the moments i'm you know, sort of following from 205 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 7: this debate or how strong Kamala. 206 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: Harris was on national security. 207 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 7: She used Donald Trump's own former cabinet members as a 208 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 7: wedge to show his weakness in this category, which I 209 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 7: thought was an interesting turn about. And Donald trump unwillingness 210 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 7: to say that he would veto a national abortion band, 211 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 7: which we have not seen up until this point in time. 212 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 7: So there was a little bit of newsmade. And I 213 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 7: think this will go down as a very very helpful 214 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 7: debate for the American people to judge very two, very 215 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 7: different views of America. 216 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 4: Some people wanted more details on policy proposals tonight. 217 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 3: I'm not sure they got a lot of. 218 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 4: Them, but one of the biggest questions facing Kamala Harris 219 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 4: tonight was is she competent? Did she project competency for 220 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: people didn't know a lot about her? 221 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 8: You know, I think she did. I don't think Kamala 222 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 8: Harris had a moment which is going to say go viral, 223 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 8: which we sort of look for in this day and age. 224 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 8: But she projected strength, she projected competence. She certainly is knowledgeable. 225 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 8: And you know, I'm thinking to the end of the 226 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 8: debate Donald Trump's line, why. 227 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 3: Didn't she do it? 228 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 8: That's where his team wanted him to start the debate. 229 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 8: He waited until the last what were we on minute 230 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 8: one hundred and ten by then to do that when 231 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 8: people are tuning out. Had he started there, he would 232 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 8: have had a better night. But he had a tough 233 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 8: night because he didn't start there. She was in control. 234 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 8: She put him on the offensive. I mean, she put 235 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 8: him on the defensive rather many times throughout the debate, 236 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 8: and he didn't seem to find his footing until the 237 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 8: very end. And I think if we think about moments 238 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 8: that define a debate, one thing that will define the 239 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 8: debate will be him talking about illegal immigrants eating pets, 240 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 8: something that has clearly been he went there. It's fact 241 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 8: jacked it's so obviously not true, but that's what he 242 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 8: went to as opposed to where his team wanted him 243 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 8: to go issues economy, immigration, and the idea that she's 244 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 8: in office right now she could be doing all these things. 245 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 8: So I think it was a wasted opportunity for Donald Trump, 246 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 8: and I think she did what she needed to do 247 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 8: to show American people, particularly in those swing states, that 248 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 8: she has the competence and the ability and the strength 249 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 8: and the know how to do this job. 250 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: And it did seem the vice president was able to 251 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 2: successfully go Donald Trump into responding to her directly a 252 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: few times, including when she raised his rallies. 253 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 6: You will see during the course of his rallies he 254 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 6: talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter, he will talk 255 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 6: about wind mills cause cancer. And what you will also 256 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 6: notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out 257 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 6: of exhaustion and boredom. 258 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: She said, people start leaving. 259 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 4: People don't go to her rallies, there's no reason to go, 260 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: and the people that do go, she's busting him in 261 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 4: and paying them to be there. 262 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: Rick, did Donald Trump have to do too much defending 263 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: and responding tonight? 264 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 7: Well, she trolled him well on that one and frankly 265 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 7: many others. I mean, he did take the bait repeatedly, 266 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 7: which actually is the opposite of what he typically does. 267 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 7: Usually he's the one trolling and hoping that his opponent 268 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 7: takes the bait. So there was a little bit of 269 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 7: turn about his fair play tonight on the behalf of 270 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 7: Kamala Harris. But I would say that I think people 271 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 7: will take away from this two different visions, right. I mean, 272 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 7: you can parse the fact that there aren't very many 273 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 7: hardcore policy discussions that were today, But we had a 274 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 7: very dark, dystopian point of view from Donald Trump on 275 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 7: the future of the world and America's place in it, 276 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 7: to the point where he even said in the clothes 277 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 7: that you know, we were headed toward to World War 278 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 7: three and nuclear weapons. 279 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 3: Right. 280 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 7: And yet on the other side of that you had 281 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 7: a candidate and Kamala Harris who kept talking about the 282 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 7: future and didn't want to go back, and it's in 283 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 7: her advantage to not do that, but she did an 284 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 7: effective job of painting a completely different, much more moderate 285 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 7: and rosy picture of the future of our country. And 286 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 7: so if people are looking at sort of the simple 287 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 7: aspects of you know, what is it that we believe 288 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 7: the current condition of our country is and where we 289 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 7: think it's going to had They had plenty to choose 290 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 7: from a very very stark contrast between the two candidates. 291 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 4: Interesting face off on geopolitics when it came to the 292 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 4: matter of Ukraine. When it came to the matter of Israel, 293 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 4: Donald Trump said Israel will not exist in two years 294 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:48,479 Speaker 4: if Kamala. 295 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 3: Harris is elected president. 296 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 4: Harris said that Vladimir Putin would be sitting in Kiev 297 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 4: right now if Trump were president. 298 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: Are either true? 299 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 8: No, I mean, both of those are not true. And 300 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 8: you know, I think that Kamala Harris did an effective 301 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 8: job in terms of responding on that Israel point. But 302 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 8: the reality is, in both cases what we heard from 303 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 8: them on these geopolitical issues where you know, these sort 304 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 8: of broad statements where you didn't get any meat. You know, 305 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 8: Kamala Harris, how are you going to end this war 306 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 8: in Israel? She said, We're gonna keep working on it. 307 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 8: There was no end. Donald Trump, what are you going 308 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 8: to do about Ukraine? It wouldn't have happened if I 309 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 8: was there. So I didn't feel either one of them 310 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 8: gave really satisfactory policy responses in either of those situations. 311 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: Donald Trump would not answer definitively if he wanted Ukraine 312 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: to win the war, just said that he wanted couple. 313 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 4: Times on that that might be one of the biggest 314 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 4: pieces of news to come out of this debate. 315 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: That just wants the wor to end. He says, we 316 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: want to go back now to the spin room floor 317 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: in Philadelphia, where we find Bloomberg's David Gura together with 318 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: the Democratic Governor of North Carolina, Roy Cooper. 319 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: David, Yes, the governor of my home state, North Carolina. 320 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: Governor Cooper, thank you very much. And I heard you 321 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: before this debate talking about the need for Vice President 322 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: Harris to really emphasize economic issues, and we saw that 323 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the debate and the end as well. 324 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: Your reaction to what you saw in the degree to 325 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: which there was engagement on the top of the economy 326 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: and specific she was very strong. 327 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 9: She looked presidential tonight, and I think she showed to 328 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 9: the American people how she will be a president for 329 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 9: all Americans and that it's time to turn the page 330 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 9: on Donald Trump. She put him on the defensive on 331 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 9: pretty much every issue. She has a detailed plan on 332 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 9: the economy, he doesn't. She believes in protecting women's reproductive freedom. 333 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 9: He couldn't even answer the question about what he would 334 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 9: do about a national abortion ban and started babbling about 335 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 9: student loans twice. On immigration, he never explained why he 336 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 9: killed the strongest immigration bill of a generation. And on 337 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 9: foreign policy, I thought she was very strong in showing 338 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 9: how many of his former military advisors and foreign policy 339 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 9: advisors don't believe he's capable of being president, how he 340 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 9: cozies up to dictators and that they can bend him 341 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 9: to their will with favoritism and with flattery. And I 342 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 9: believe that this is a debate tonight where Kamala Harris 343 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 9: shows that she has the medal to serve as commander 344 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 9: in chief and to lead this country governor. 345 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: She's going to go to North Carolina in a couple 346 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: of days. She'll be in Charlotte and in Greensboro. She's 347 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: been to the state many times, as you know, you've 348 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: been with her for most of those visits. What does 349 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: she need to carry over from what we saw on 350 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: stage tonight to North Carolina? As you talk to your constituents, 351 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: what are they most eager to hear from her when 352 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: she goes through to campaign. 353 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 9: This will be her eighteenth visit to North Carolina as 354 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 9: vice president. We're going to try to reach people who 355 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 9: haven't been involved in politics and really how bothered voting. 356 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 9: I think she is causing excitement in those people. The 357 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 9: way she responded to Donald Trump's assertion about her race, 358 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 9: about how we need to pull together as a people 359 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 9: and concentrate on things that bring us together instead of 360 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 9: divide us. 361 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 3: I think that was a. 362 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 9: Very strong moment for her. I also think Donald Trump 363 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 9: was incoherent and unhinged and obviously very angry because he 364 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 9: deserved to be defensive about all of these issues. 365 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: Let me ask you lastly, what it's going to take 366 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: for Democrats to carry North Carolina. There's been a lot 367 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: of talk about the purpling of the state for so 368 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: long now stepping back, yes, to look at the presidential election, 369 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: but others, what's it going to take to get Democrats 370 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: to win here in a couple months? 371 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 9: Well, I could say more votes, but obviously this is 372 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 9: going to be this is gonna be a binary grace. 373 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 9: It's Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris. But it's really for 374 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 9: the heart and soul of our country. It's about character. 375 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 9: I believe the people of North Carolina will see through 376 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 9: Donald Trump. Yes, North Carolina voted for him in twenty twenty, 377 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 9: but it was the closest win that Donald Trump had, 378 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 9: only one point three percent. I believe that when you 379 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 9: think about the plan that Kamala Harris has and the 380 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 9: chaos that was caused by Donald Trump during those four years, 381 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 9: I think the choice is clear and we know that 382 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 9: if Kamala Harris wins North Carolina, she is the next 383 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 9: president of the United Date. 384 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: Yep, butter, thank you very much, a pleasure. It's Roy 385 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: Cooper of the state of North Carolina. And back to 386 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: you guys in Washington, Joe and Kayley. 387 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 4: All Right, David Gura, with great work from the floor 388 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 4: of the Spin room. We thank you reporting for Bloomberg 389 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 4: on this important debate night. 390 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 3: Thank you, David. 391 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 4: With some final thoughts now from our signature panel. Rick 392 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 4: Davis and Genie Shanzeno are with us our signature panel 393 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 4: on an important night. But Kaylee, I feel like we 394 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 4: need to talk about something that's just crossed the Instatagram. Yeah, 395 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 4: this is maybe the most important potential endorsement of the cycle. 396 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift says she will be casting her vote for 397 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: Kamala Harrison Tim Walls in the twenty twenty four presidential 398 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: election because she fights for the rights and causes she 399 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: believes a warrior needs to champion them. She also says 400 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: she's done her research and made her choice or research 401 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: is all yours to do. She signs it Joe Taylor 402 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 2: Swift Childless cat Lady, and it is a picture of 403 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: her with her meetings around there. 404 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: Today I let to talk about pats Rick. Is this 405 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 3: a big deal or not? 406 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 5: Yeah? 407 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 7: No, this is a big deal. She obviously has an 408 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 7: enormous following. I can't imagine a better thing to hit 409 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 7: the Spin room just moments after the debate ended, when 410 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 7: a massive endorsement like this culturally puts her in the 411 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 7: middle of the mainstream America. 412 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that. 413 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 7: I was just going to say, now we've seen the debate, 414 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 7: it's all about the Spin post debate, and I think 415 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 7: this is like a nuclear bomb for Spin. 416 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: What does this mean in our thirty seconds remaining? 417 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 8: In our thirty seconds remaining, you know, this is a 418 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 8: big deal and it has been a pet night. So 419 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 8: Taylor Swift ends it with a cat lady comment, and 420 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 8: the Swifties are happy and she has an enormous pull. 421 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 8: This is not what he wanted to hear tonight. You know, 422 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 8: this is you know, he was worried about what might 423 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 8: happen in this regard. He talked about wanting her endorsement, 424 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 8: and she went the other way. So this is the. 425 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift kid rock campaign. Apparently. I guess it happened 426 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 3: before our eyes. Rick Davis, G. D. 427 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 4: Schanzeno, thank you for being with us. 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