WEBVTT - Michael Vick Part 2 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.600 This is cut to it with Steve Smith Senior at 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:08.879 production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.959 Steve Smith Senior and i' and this is cut to it. 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:17.040 Good Do, Good do? What they're getting down to do 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.160 with good do It? We asked the questions you always 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.400 want to know, but no one ever asked. Let's cut 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:30.320 to it. You heard him about it, then we're about 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:41.080 to let you know it's all all right. Well, this 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:45.600 is part two of Michael Vick the Human Highlight Reel. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.519 This is his words and then also being on the 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.800 other side not know you may know it. I witnessed it, 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.040 and I've seen it. You got you got us. I 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.920 got a first side, and I got post dramatic stress 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.360 about it. Right now, right he's still gliding across this. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:08.480 Right now, you're gonna hear about Michael Dwayne vic the man, 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.520 the man, the husband and father, what he learned about 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:17.360 himself and what he learned about playing the game. It's remarkable. 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.000 It's a lot of it's some nuggets up in there. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.080 I'm talking about nugget dropping, Mike dropping everything. Um, you 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:25.800 can't wait for you guys to here. But it's less 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:36.759 about ball. It's more about the person. I've always struggled 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.440 with trusting people overall. So I can't even imagine, you know, 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:46.559 what you've gone through, how do you filter friends now 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:52.480 and and you know, and how it's changed, Yeah, in 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:57.040 those ways after going through everything you went through. I 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.760 try to, um just not have a lot of friends. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.040 I try to just keep my circle small, like I 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.480 got a lot of respect for, you know, especially my 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.760 piss like like you and Danny and Thomason and Drew 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.840 Breves and guys you know from my draft and draft 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.880 class guys I played with, guys who I respect so much, 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.560 you know, and I, you know, guys not saying it 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.040 that you've gotta be successful because I can meet somebody 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.720 to charity event and having good relationship with him from Afar, 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.040 But I try to center myself around, you know, people 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.760 who who think like me, who you know, don't have 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:35.680 the same walk of life, might not be in the 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.040 same walk of life, but you know, we kind of 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.320 experienced the same things, and you know, what life is 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:44.120 all about the importance and family and and things that 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.400 really matter, you know. So you know, I felt like 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.720 those are the more of renatable people, and those are 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.480 the people who kind of you know, help keep leads 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.079 on my dean when when I when I could be 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.880 slipping a little bit, passie. We all none of us 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.760 are perfectly you know. We all you know aren't shopping 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:05.400 iron man. What are the core values look for in 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.640 the friendship? And when do you know you need to 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:13.200 leave a friendship? You give them time, Like it's gonna 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.760 be things that's gonna happen where you know, decisions gonna 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.360 have to be made and somebody's gonna have to save 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.000 with one another. Just call out what's really real or 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.320 what's right and if that person can't do that, you know, 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.880 and just in the smallest situations to make a decision 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.440 that you like, Man, thanks for having my back on 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.080 this because you know I was right and you know 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.000 I'm not wrong. That's when you know you got a 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.320 good friend, when they're gonna step up and do what's right. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.320 You know what I'm saying, Like situation like, Steve, I know, 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.200 I know you see, like I can tell you probably 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.160 tell you something like if it don't make no sense, 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.880 I can almost expect ninety in time you can be like, yo, 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.840 what the hell are you talking about? Pretty much like 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.200 like if I give you a scenario. It was like, man, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:54.920 what do you think about this? I did this? He 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.120 did that? Who we were? Like? Who was right? Just 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.640 with your assause if you if you tell me to 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.600 ask something looking for him, like, Yo, that's a good friend. 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.800 Not because it's not because I'm your boy, Because it's 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:08.960 like you're telling me the truth, whether good or bad. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.360 I'm like, that's a good friend. But I just been 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.960 around people who just couldn't do that as a late 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:18.080 friends and family, and it's hurtful. And I've learned to 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.640 walk away from those people because those type of people 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.039 that can hurt you. That's one thing I've learned. Everybody 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.320 can't go with you. That one's a hard one to 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.239 learn that everybody can't go with you. Man, that's so good. 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:34.160 I'm I'm sitting next to you. I said, that was 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.800 really good. But it's true though you and you have 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.320 to go through it by trialing there. All right, let's 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.560 let's we always have this segment called Let's Talk Ball. 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:48.440 So I was listening to um MoManI Jones podcast that 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:53.520 you did back in and I heard you say in 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.440 this is why this is when you were still playing 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.320 with the Philly there for your Eagles at the time 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:04.760 is when you finally put everything together. And I heard 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.159 you say that, and I I mouthed the word that 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:14.360 I will not repeat on this podcast. Bro, Like, m 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:23.479 what is Mike vix standard? Because the other sideline watching 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:28.279 you play and you're saying you just getting it to 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.200 get you just figuring it out. What was you doing 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:36.000 prior to that? Because I remember that game that I'm 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.520 back game when you broke your ankle. Remember the mad 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:43.120 Curse he broke his ankle. Ye remember that. U dang 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:48.520 they had who they have Samuel Jackson, he's back. They 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.520 had to make they have folks that McDonald's talking about. 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.400 He's back now that that was the game when you, uh, 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.600 you scrambled around and I'm exaggerating, but he literally dove 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.479 in from the thirty and hurt just kind of go. 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.200 He was like, I know his knee touched the ground. 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.000 I know it. Man. We ran an instant replay. We 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.799 ran every year that it went under the hood. Yeah, 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.800 he capt didn't touch book. There was Moses. No. We 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.520 walked on water. I mean, I know Jeus water. Peter 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.279 came out water with Jesus, right. He said, don't look 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.680 down and there's Michael vad who hovered over the turf 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:39.040 and made it. You made it, but but good times. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:44.440 But yet your own words you didn't even have. You 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:50.440 didn't put it all together. No, get get me to 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:58.080 understand how Rookie of the Year Madden coming over Pro Bowls, 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.640 you know, is doing all this stuff. You were doing 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.040 nine h two yards in one season, right, six thousand 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:10.920 yards Russian season and yeah, you have no idea what 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:15.160 you're doing out there. Yeah, so I said, I'll say, look, 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.200 I had an understanding of the game. So I understand. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.320 I understood our offense. I understood what was trying to accomplish. 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.760 You know, I understood, you know, the the whole single 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:28.040 high too high. You know, how to be discoverage and 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:32.680 how to be that coverage. But you know, when I 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:37.160 had Dan Reeves, um, you know, Dan forced me to 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.880 look at certain things on defense and and watch this 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.280 guy and watch this guy guy, and you know, look 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.320 out for this defense. So I was standing like seriously, 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.800 get into the exits and oats and like really learn 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.680 our offense and pieces together. So so this is what 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.760 I know because I was young, and as I think 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.840 about this, this is why when I got the Philly 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.840 I really didn't no nothing. And this could be a 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:04.119 lesson for you know, coaches to young quarterbacks in the league, 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.840 as you know, stop changing offenses and change offers and coordinators. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.520 Let a guy grow. So damn, we're starting to teach 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.880 me how to you know, six and seven men fronts 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.240 and protections and how to how we protected our offense. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.880 So i' mean this offensive two and a half years 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:24.160 and then then gets fired in my third year, you know, 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:28.000 So now you know, I'm like, I gotta go off 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:29.960 what we got the last three games of the season, 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.280 and now it was a new coach coming in, teaching 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.000 different rules and different principles and the whole new offense. 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.640 And now I gotta learn the whole offense. I gotta 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.280 learn what this offense in tales and what we're trying 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.880 to do in this West Coast system. And then I 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.240 gotta get back to learning defenses and how to piece 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.480 these defenses with what we're trying to do to get 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.360 the best of what we're trying to do in the offense. 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.360 So in trying to do that, it's like, you know, 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.959 things not going right sometimes, and now I'm using my 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.320 natural instance. I'm running and that far out of my 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.840 game was coming out more because I'm just unsure, you know, 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.880 and I got you know, I got weeks to you know, 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.439 put it all together, constantly add new stuff. It's constant 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.800 new defenses that we gotta see. I think that was 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.160 around the time, like Steve, you will remember when the 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.599 zero Blitz was starting, like oh full five, it was 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.480 starting to show up, like yo, what is this and 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.680 how do you beat it? So that's where we drafted 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.000 Thomas Davis. They drive to Thomas. They just took literally 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:28.760 to Shadow Michael spy, no, not spy to shadow like 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:33.120 to mem Yes, break that down with the differences. So 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.480 the difference it was shadow mad players like myself are 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:41.160 probably you're the spy Shadow. But here's the thing. Your 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:45.640 job was too. Wherever number seven is, you go, you 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:49.560 go kind of like want to tradition, a true lockdown corner, 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.040 a true lockdown corners. I talked about Champ Bailey if 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.960 I if I drove my car, Champ would be the 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:00.960 parking attendant. Right. That's that's and Thomas assignment was. I 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:05.880 don't care what Algae Compler does, I don't care what 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:10.760 ABC does. Your job is to keep up because Thomas 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.160 was really really fast to keep up with Michael Vick. 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.240 Wherever Vick go, you go, Well, coach, you drinking water? Well, 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.840 why are you not go? And that's what it was, 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:27.920 and he did it. He did it. But but yeah, Vick, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.800 what one or two plays playing us because we're so 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.800 much we knew each other playing inside your division twice 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.440 a year, you know, you know it is almost you 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.840 can utilize information against each other because it's like playing 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.520 against your brother, you know. It's Tennessee's Oh well, I 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.840 know they're gonna they're gonna do a sprint right option, 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.800 but Vickers left handed, so they're gonna do a sprint 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.160 left option. But every West Coast coach is gonna run 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:59.199 a sprint left for sprint right option. It's in the playbook. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.960 While all this is happening with Thomas Davis and the 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.439 Panthers getting better, and they end up beating us, and 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.400 oh six, I think they beat us twice if I'm 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:12.199 not mistaken. Um, you know, I'm just learning, trying to 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.640 learn all these all these offensive plays and trying to 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.920 learn this offense where teams are getting better. And that's 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.120 why by the time I got the Philly I felt 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:22.920 like I was starting all over again, and I just 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.719 started to put it together because I had that year 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.760 time with donnov Been to learn that system, put it 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.280 all in place. And in a year too, I was 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.880 much more mature. I was ready to take on those 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.200 challenges and what dan Is stilled in me, and I 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:35.920 was able to kind of play catch up. But yeah, 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.480 so that was that's why I was like, man, I 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.800 knew pretty much. I knew I was playing off. I 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.520 knew nothing. Now now you know, I'm I'm ready and 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.280 I can look better in the passing game. And I 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.679 was able to flourish a little bit. So so it's 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:56.280 safe to say is in early in your career you 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.560 were playing from the shoulders down, and when you got 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.000 and when you when you were in Philly, you learn 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.680 how to play from the shoulders up. Yeah, that's correct. 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:09.880 I was playing shoulders down, but mentally I was just 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:15.120 I was using my vision, using my vision to make decisions. Yeah, 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:19.679 and athleticism the Bailli's out, you know, to be you know, 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.280 dynamic and just keep the change moving. I just said that. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.320 I just yeah, when I got the feeling them like, man, 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.640 you know it's they're gonna let me pass the ball here. 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.360 I gotta learn the passing game. This is fun, ay 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.199 like the throw it. I gotta, I gotta. I gotta 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.959 show him that I can handle the responsibilities. I can 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:44.839 handle the responsibility of, you know, running the offense. M So, 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.000 how manly tough do you have to be playing quarterback 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.800 in the NFL. Man you gotta be willing. You gotta 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.040 be willing to get hit like you gotta that night 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.840 before the game. You gotta go into this game knowing 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.880 that I got a lot of responsibilities. My biggest responsibility 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.440 it's sowing toughest, hanging in that pocket and getting the 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.080 ball out to my receivers. You know who busday tales 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.760 all week long, you know, running routes and trying to 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.400 understand how to beat their you know, their opposition. Like, 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.200 I'm gonna hang in there and I'm gonna do whatever 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:19.720 I need to do. I'm gonna show the grit and 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.400 hopefully everybody else will follow. So you just gotta be 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.560 mentally tough in the mind and know, I'm not gonna 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.240 let the defense to defeat me because they're hit me. 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.400 You know, I'm a I'm a you know, earned my 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.040 stripes and let my put my pride to the side, 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:35.880 and I'm gonna hanging here and I'm gonna be tough 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:37.880 about it. And that's what That's what you gotta go 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:43.000 into the game knowing that you're gonna do. I'm hesitant 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.160 to say it, but I wanted I always want to 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.840 ask this to a quarterback. Man, do you think it's 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:52.559 Do you think it's fair unfair that most quarterbacks are 0:13:52.679 --> 0:14:01.080 thrusted into that you know, token, the franchise quarterback because 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:07.080 the person that that figurehead for the every organization. Yeah, 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.839 so when they put that stamp on you, man, the 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.880 franchise quarterback, because we drafted you number one, Like when 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.600 we when the team draft you number one, they drafted 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.640 you in that position and say, look, you're gonna be 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.640 playing in the next six months to a year, and 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:27.280 we expect you to live up to our expectations and 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:31.240 hopefully yours. And when they say franchis quarterback, they do 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.040 it to put pressure, you know, on that guy, and 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.000 that make him feel what being a face of a 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.600 franchise is gonna be. Like, they're gonna put that on 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.680 the song you, They're gonna put that tag on your 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.720 back so you can wear it proudly. And I think 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.440 especially your rookie year, that's when you're like you like 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.760 you come in and you're learning and you're seeing like 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.400 how everything works and how you practice, how you know, 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.160 how the games to play, how you travel, and then 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.600 you just continue to grow, you continue to growing in 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:01.400 by yeah too, you should be all right, I'm ready 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.560 to take this thing over. I want this to be mine. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.080 And like my first year, I wasn't. I felt like 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.120 I wasn't ready until like the second to the last 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.680 game of the season where things finally slowed down from 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.600 me and I was able to go out there and 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.640 just react and play. Had a good game. Christianna went 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:21.040 down and heard his elbow and I went in and 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.840 we almost beat the Dolphins. And then I my last 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.000 game of my rookie year, I had to play against 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.880 the greatest show on turf, you know, in St. Louis, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.880 and you know, I put on a good shot. We 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.440 didn't win the game, but I put on a good shot. 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.120 And by that time, like you know, my my chain 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.320 was up, Like you know, I'm ready to run this franchise. 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.680 You know, if I if I if they have to 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.720 make some changes next year, I'm gonna be ready. But um, 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.680 you know so I'm speaking from the experience how you 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.720 know I felt and the pressure that was put on me, 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:57.160 But I was I was ready for I accepted it. Mike. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.080 I heard the excitement in your voice when you first 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:03.200 came on. You were Smitty. Both played in the NFC 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.200 South at this inception. So would you please give me 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:13.680 some really good Steve Smith stories? Mike Oh um, m 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.200 m man, let me tell you the good ones, the 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.160 good ones, Mike, don't don't give it. Don't give me 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:23.520 the skip over. I want the good Smitty stories. So man, man, Steve, 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:28.240 we we because we played on you know, obsoutaneously actually 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.560 really yeah. So, so I'm gonna tell you what I 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.920 just didn't like about Steve. I'm like, Yo, this dude 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.080 is so good, right, you know what I mean? But 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.360 he rubbed it in though. No, I mean, like, yo, 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.880 that's part of his game. Like, but because I couldn't 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.600 be that way. I couldn't be and like on emotional 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.640 high all the time, you know what I'm saying. So 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.760 like Steve like slowly became that guy. You know what 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.400 I'm saying, thing after like yeah too and yeah too, 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.640 like you use that dude, and yeah three, And I'm 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:04.720 like he didn't emerge this true number one, but he toughness. Hell, 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.439 you know what I'm saying. So like I'm I'm what 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.320 stands out. It's just the touchdown celebration dances like and 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.240 you know, I can't remember them all, but it was 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.879 like a plethora of a bunch of good ones. And 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.760 I was like, Yo, his swag is different, you know 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.760 what I'm saying that, And I felt like that's what 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.320 That's what carried the team. But you know, I always 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.240 a mind Steve as a player, you know, and and 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.040 and and as a as a person, you know. So 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.960 you know, I know about the story when you um, 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.000 Ken Lucas got into it because I think he didn't 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.800 play against us or something or when it happened, you know. 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:41.119 And I'm not you know, I'm not trying to bring 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.399 up what I'm saying, like like when it happened, I 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:46.360 was like, man, damn, we was like in the playoff race, 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.240 so he was in the race for wins. And I'm like, man, 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.000 like Ken Lucas gave us problems And I'm like, damn, 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.399 you know, respect the kid Lucas, but he might not 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.560 play this week, so you know we might get a 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.040 win or something. You know, it might help us in 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.359 the way column. But you know, I just I just 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.359 knew Stephen spically man, and like it was like he 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:07.480 was you know, I was on one. He was on 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.280 one like yo. He was on one like yo. When 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.720 you told him ice up like that was like thet man, 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.240 Like bro really took it there, you know what I'm saying. 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.360 But it was all done. You know what I'm saying. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.320 I'd respect you know what I mean, and just put 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.560 it in secretary of the game like you never disrespected 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.960 the game. The youngest can look at that and say, 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.639 like if my son played received, I'm cutting your film 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:31.600 off the bottom line, I appreciate it. It's been kind 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.680 of like as now that I'm done and I see 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.240 I go back and look at some of the stuff 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.879 that I used to do. Is like he he didn't 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.960 say it. The worst was when I if I caught 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.560 the ball on their sideline, Oh my god, I was 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.280 I talked to the whole sideline as if the corner 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:53.560 was not present. May be like you gonna, are you 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.240 gonna just talk about this man, because I can't. But 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.520 I've seen Steve run up like like a square at 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.840 one time against us, and I've seen that I was 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.920 standing right there on the sideline and defensive back like 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.000 grabbed them or like trying to put his hand on him. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.240 And when I say, Steve, like put his hand out 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.000 and like it wasn't a stiff m like you didn't know. 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:16.960 It was an offensive passing the friends, which I was 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.120 like tangling and you pushed them and you broke left 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.360 and I just playing so far back. I was like 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.120 it was like a welcome to the NFL moment for me, 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.399 Like it was in our third year and I was playing, 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.280 I was hurt, and I was like, damn, like bro 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.119 just he just pushed like one of our best corners, 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.479 like to the ground like with one hand, and as 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.080 I just knew like he was gonna take off. He 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.320 was gonna be something special, man. But I was like, damn. 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.080 But he and I same division and that wasn't good. 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:47.639 And Jake their home. I had a lot of respect 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.720 with Jake their home, so they did his thing. I like, 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.120 what was what was that like the for both of y'all? 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.800 What was that like being on the onset of building 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.960 a robber And I know falcons Panthers. Isn't you know, 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.000 Package Bears, Raven Steelers. But what's it like both of 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.520 y'all being drafting two thousand and one NFC South starting 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.680 in two thousand and two, what's it like helping to 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:12.440 form a whole division? Almost? I know, for me, it 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:18.480 was really interesting because we were still in that you know, 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:22.040 me and Vick were young, but we were also on 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:26.040 teams that were in transition that there were guys that 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.760 just were older, and we were the younger guys and 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.359 we were supposed to just shut up and play and 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.640 learn from older guys. But we didn't want to shut 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.800 up and play. We wanted to be loud and play. 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.200 And Vick is doing his thing. I'm a young upcoming receiver. 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.320 You got the I eighty five battle. I mean, it 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:50.280 was like we were we were bad teams that was 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.800 fighting for who's gonna be worse, right, and we were 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.399 trying to make the Falcons worse than us, and the 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.120 Facons were trying to make us bad. And the New 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.160 Orleans Saints were New Orland Saints that obviously Tampa Bay 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.800 Buccaneers or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and we were kind 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.560 of looked at just as the as just two teams, 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.439 you know, So it was it was like it was 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:15.480 like two kindergarteners boxing over you know, the same lot 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:20.359 when there's all these other you know, play some playgrounds 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.600 to play with, but we were we were boxing focused 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:29.800 on that same box. That's the truth, man, that's the truth. 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.239 And I tell you, I'll tell you what like when 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:35.159 I think about the players, like both five teams was 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:39.760 just talented on on both sides of the ball. You know, yeah, 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.040 I think I had what Stephen Davis you know at 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.480 the time, and then you get motion, you know, defense, 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.119 then Morgan and then I just said I'll let you 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.479 say this. Then Julius Peppers. People. Actually it was the 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.719 toughest defender that I ever had to play against in 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.760 my life, and it was Julia's Peppers. On that end, 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.280 there was no mercy. Like one thing he was not 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.320 gonna do, you know, was let me break in team, 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.159 like I just I had just had problems with him, man, 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:09.760 And it was like so yeah, it was like you 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:12.360 know that divisional battle, like this is a game where 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.040 I know, like I know I'm about to get hit. 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.240 I know, pep ain't gonna let me just it's not 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:19.919 gonna be free will out here to day and no 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:25.000 good interior defensive alignment. Chris um a big brol name, 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:28.200 Chris Jenkins, oh man, Chris left was let me hear 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:30.919