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Speaker 2: Welcome into a Monday edition of Texan's All Access.

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Speaker 1: And guess where we are?

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Speaker 2: And we are John Harrison, Mark Vandermire and if you

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Speaker 2: can guess, yes, we are in America's heartland. I guess

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Speaker 2: that considered America's heartland, Indianapolis, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: I do know it's very close to Pawnee, Indiana, whereas

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Speaker 1: Parks and Rec was filmed. But that's where we are.

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Speaker 2: The twenty twenty four NFL Scouting Combine is ear no

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Speaker 2: testing today, but there will be other things going on

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Speaker 2: over the next few days.

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Speaker 1: And they put the schedule on us.

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Speaker 2: So we've got defensive guys going first, we got offensive

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Speaker 2: guys at the end, so I don't know how that

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Speaker 2: it plays into our schedule, but we're gonna be here

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Speaker 2: for the week, so we are going to have a

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Speaker 2: good time bringing you everything combine as my cohort, Mark Vandamier,

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Speaker 2: is ready to roll.

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Speaker 1: Mark, good evening.

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Speaker 3: How are you, Johnny. I'm doing great, looking forward to

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Speaker 3: all the interviews we're.

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Speaker 4: Gonna have in the next few days. From Tuesday through

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Speaker 4: Friday night. It will be interview palooza, but really good ones,

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Speaker 4: I said. Some people are thinking on how interviews. No,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna have Demico Ryans Nick Cassio to start with,

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Speaker 4: but all these other great guys who cover the league

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Speaker 4: on a national and sometimes AFC South centric basis, So

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Speaker 4: you're gonna want to hear what they have to say

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Speaker 4: about their squads and about the year that will be

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four the greatest season in the history of

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Speaker 4: the franchise.

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Speaker 3: I'm calling my shot.

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Speaker 1: I like you calling your shot, and man, if twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four is the wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay to answer that question before we get started, because

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Speaker 2: what I have for us the first segment kind of

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Speaker 2: leads into that for twenty twenty four to be the

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Speaker 2: greatest season in the history of the Texans. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to say worst case scenario, but that does mean

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Speaker 2: that Texans have to go the AFC Championship Game.

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Speaker 3: Correct, It really does, doesn't it. Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's the way I look at it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, well, yeah, because look, you could get how

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Speaker 4: about this, if you played a divisional round game at

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Speaker 4: home that has never happened. But as you do that,

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Speaker 4: you don't want to lose that game, right If you

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Speaker 4: lose that game, that would be the greatest for the

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Speaker 4: most you've ever done in a season period.

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Speaker 3: I don't care what the record is.

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Speaker 4: If you've hosted a divisional game, you've never done that before.

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Speaker 4: But if you lose it, you're gonna feel like crap.

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Speaker 4: So it's hard to call that the greatest season ever.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. And I'm the first to

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Speaker 4: say I'll have a million disclaimers on this. I'm the

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Speaker 4: first to say here we are coming off a divisional

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Speaker 4: round appearance. It is so hard to get there. It's

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Speaker 4: so tough. To win ten games is ridiculously difficult. You

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Speaker 4: want to win more if you're going to play a

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Speaker 4: home game, at least in the divisional round, preferably more.

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Speaker 3: So, a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 4: That's why the joys in the journey, and the journey

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Speaker 4: starts here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: Now you're right about that, and there's a lot that's

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Speaker 2: gonna happen in Indianapolis over the next how many ever

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Speaker 2: days you mentioned it, you promoted it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to be go.

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Speaker 2: Ryan's on with us tomorrow evening right out to shoot

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Speaker 2: at six o'clock Demico Ryan's exclusive right here with Texas

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Speaker 2: Radio with Mark and I tomorrow and then Wednesday we

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Speaker 2: will have Nick Cassario on with us. And I was

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Speaker 2: texting with our buddy Sean Pendergast over the weekend and

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Speaker 2: he sent me a picture.

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Speaker 1: He's like, you got to ask Nick about this.

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Speaker 2: Has showed Nick in the locker room for the Patriots

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Speaker 2: completely and totally just mean mugging, like just paying attention

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Speaker 2: to Belichick and just with the meanest, most serious face

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Speaker 1: If you know Nick, you know he's not always like that.

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Speaker 1: He's got his moments. So Sean was like, you got

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see if Nick ends up being interviewed

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Speaker 2: for The Dynasty, because they seemingly got everybody.

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Speaker 1: Else to talk, and they got Ernie Adams to talk,

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Speaker 1: which I think is absolutely unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: He was kind of this mysterious director of football research

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Speaker 2: see who else is gonna talk during this thing? But

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Speaker 2: you think Nick will be featured or interviewed?

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Speaker 4: So I've only seen up to episode three. I haven't

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Speaker 4: seen four yet. I'm betting that he said no, that's

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Speaker 4: find out and we'll ask him even before we start

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Speaker 4: talking to him on Wednesday. I want to know this

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Speaker 4: answer because you know this, Johnny, when we have him

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Speaker 4: in the cozy confines of the Hundae Texans radio studio

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Speaker 4: at NRG Stadium.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we listen up.

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Speaker 4: Let the hair down, so to speak, and everything at

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Speaker 4: the combine could be a little more heightened awareness with

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Speaker 4: all the NFL people around. Oh yeah, about asking him

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Speaker 4: about Belichick and being in the background and what his

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Speaker 3: We'll see.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna be so focused on Texans interviews.

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Speaker 3: I have to interview thirty guys. Are you kidding?

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Speaker 4: But I'm glad that goes going because all these coaches,

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Speaker 4: not all, but a bunch of coaches are not.

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Speaker 3: Gonna be there. I'm glad the Mako Ryans is gonna

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Speaker 2: I can understand where coaches and I know a lot's

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Speaker 2: Sunday was about Matt Lafleur, Oh, Matt Lafleur or you know,

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Speaker 2: it's pro football talk and essentially said a significant number

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Speaker 2: thought was, well, yeah, he just hired a brand new

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Speaker 2: away time. You probably need to get on the same page. Now,

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Speaker 2: maybe you know each other, maybe you don't. But if

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Speaker 2: you think about it from that perspective, how many teams

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Speaker 2: incredible number, and I don't think it's quite that high,

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Speaker 2: with the new coaching staff hiring coaches, some coaches staffs

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Speaker 2: which interview you're gonna have over fifteen minutes that you

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Speaker 2: fall in love with a guy and that guy ends

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Speaker 2: up being on, you know, an All Pro for the

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Speaker 1: So I can.

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Speaker 2: See with all the different coaching movements and changes that

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Speaker 2: when I saw that tweet, I was like, well, duh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: now the floor's got a new defense coordinator. He's not

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Speaker 2: gonna go to the Combine. It makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: So if you don't have all that change and there

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Speaker 2: aren't teams that there an't a lot of teams that

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Speaker 2: have no change, I could see not going to the Combine.

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Speaker 2: But I think there'll be a lot more than people think.

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Speaker 2: Everybody panics, oh no, five coaches aren't going, Man, that

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Speaker 2: And I don't I'm not gonna worry about it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think it's good for the coaches to be there.

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Speaker 4: If I were a coach, and I know everybody's interested

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Speaker 4: in this, If I were a coach, I'd be there, Johnny,

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Speaker 4: I'd be I'd want to talk to other coaches.

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Speaker 3: I'd want to you're not going to share secrets.

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Speaker 4: But I find it hard to believe you wouldn't pick

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Speaker 4: up something worthwhile from interacting with other NFL people, maybe

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Speaker 4: best practices, whatever, and then observing the college athletes, interviewing them,

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Speaker 3: Up close and personal. We always talk about it with Nick.

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Speaker 4: Eventually, these guys become free agents, right, These guys, if

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Speaker 4: you didn't draft them, become free agents, and maybe you

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Speaker 4: get them on the second wave, maybe they get cut,

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Speaker 4: You get them on a second wave, and they turn

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Speaker 4: to and I know we're going to get into combined memories,

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Speaker 4: really took that to heart because I thought, Wow, that

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Speaker 4: maybe just a little micro element of the whole recipe

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Speaker 3: But I like it.

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Speaker 4: I like being able to see as much as possible

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Speaker 4: from these guys. More information I don't think is ever

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Speaker 4: contact with these guys as opposed to charts, graphs, films, analytics.

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Speaker 3: You're seeing them in the flesh. That's got to help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would hope that it helps.

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk about our combin members in a little

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Speaker 2: bit because last year's got me thinking about something. As

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Speaker 2: you mentioned combine members, I'm like, wait a second, and

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Speaker 2: it made me think about something. But we've been talking

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Speaker 2: a lot about free agency coming up. Today is February

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Speaker 2: twenty six. The new league year is probably about two

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Speaker 2: a legal tampering period.

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Speaker 1: But the combine is.

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Speaker 2: Well, the combine is the probably the worst kept secret

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Speaker 2: of where people talk, whether it's at high velocity, whether

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Speaker 2: it's at the NCAA headquarters swimming pool with both working out,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's at a separate hotel room like Ryan Pole's

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Speaker 2: last year got a separate hotel room so he could

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Speaker 2: hold trade talks with various general managers about moving the

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Speaker 1: So he was trying to disguise all of that.

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Speaker 2: So a lot is going to happen over the next

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Speaker 2: week or so, as it pertains to free agency, as

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Speaker 2: it pertains to who you cutting, who you're keeping, as

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Speaker 2: it pertains to making a trade, who teams are interested in, agents, shopping.

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Speaker 1: Whares, et cetera. So a lot of things happen at

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Speaker 2: So I thought, okay, kind of continuing what we've talked

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Speaker 2: about this weekend, I sat down and I just went shopping.

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Speaker 2: Because the Texans have a they have a decent amount

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Speaker 2: of cap space we talked about on Friday. Two hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty five million is the salary cap level. Texans

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Speaker 2: also have four million dollars of cap carryover, so technically

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Speaker 2: their salary cap is two fifty nine or something of

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: But I went through and looked at all the different

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Speaker 1: Then I sat down.

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Speaker 2: There's gonna be a Tier one, kind of a tier two,

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Speaker 4: Okay, you want to talk about all the guys you resigned,

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Speaker 3: As an unrestricted free agent. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, go ahead, Johnny, Okay, handle it how you

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Speaker 1: Then, Okay, Well, we re signed Motor, we resigned Dalton

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Speaker 1: And we resigned Blake Cash Nice. Okay. So that's that's

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Speaker 2: So obviously there's some names that are not in there,

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Speaker 2: this roster. Okay, they pay it, and then you know what,

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Speaker 1: So I mean that's either way you could you want

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Speaker 2: Three million dollar contractor you cat it could be like

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Speaker 2: ones that realistically was able to re sign. Now back

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Speaker 2: to our Devin singletary conversation, I also was able to

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Speaker 2: sign one, two, three, four, five six outside the building

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Speaker 2: free agents and names. You know, this is names, names

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Speaker 2: you know in moment at the very top running.

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Speaker 1: Back Derek Henry.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, now you got my attention.

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Speaker 4: This is joyous laughter. I would love to see this,

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Speaker 4: Please wear the oiler uniforms again. In this time Henry's

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Derrick Henry signed Devin Singletary. Now here's my

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry is thirty.

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Speaker 2: But as Seth Pain has said, and I didn't agree

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Speaker 2: I don't know that he's got quite the passing game

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Speaker 4: Go, all right, So Motor's agent is on the phone,

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Speaker 1: Well, not every series, but not every series. But if

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Speaker 4: And the numbers you put in front of me, can

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Speaker 4: I say the number for Henry? Sure, you put down

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Speaker 4: I still think that that is something you're going to

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Speaker 4: Then right More goes first usually, so let's see that happen,

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Speaker 3: Is he waiting for a bigger deal? Probably is. I

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Speaker 4: I'm I can't imagine anybody not wanting to come back here.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's business and you want

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Speaker 4: I don't know about his particular situation, so we'll see.

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Speaker 3: You'll probably have to wait. But that one two punch.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot of people would sign up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And to your point, that's kind of my thought process.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we know we need one, we get it, you know.

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Speaker 2: Be interesting is the Colt last year paid three years,

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Speaker 2: Hey can't do it now with increased thirty million dollar

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Speaker 2: Because once you get Barkley off the market, then all

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Speaker 1: Comes back to the pack a little bit. That's kind

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Speaker 3: Do your wide receiver, do your wide receiver free agent?

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Speaker 1: Okay, my wide receiver free agent. I know people will

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Speaker 2: version of Robert Woods. And you know, whether you keep

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Speaker 2: Robert and then bringing Boyd. But I just felt like,

441
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Speaker 2: from a realistical, realistic standpoint, not breaking the bank, but

442
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Speaker 2: yet getting good value back, I feel like Tyler Boyd

443
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Speaker 2: was a solid option for sure.

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Speaker 1: No, I like that.

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Speaker 4: I like that because you have Nico Collins and Tank

446
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Speaker 4: Dell already, those two guys healthy, And maybe you need

447
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Speaker 4: to mention that because Nico stayed healthy by and large

448
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Speaker 4: for the bulk of the season.

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Speaker 3: Obviously Tank got hurt, but it was a freaky weird thing.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: If you said, well, Tank's gonna get hurt missed the

452
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Speaker 4: end of the season, if you told me that before

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Speaker 4: last year, I would say, oh, is it a size

454
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Speaker 4: thing or whatever? And maybe a bigger guy would have

455
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Speaker 4: withstood three hundred pounds being crushed right on him. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 4: but I don't know about that. Johnny I think that

457
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Speaker 4: that was going to happen no matter who it was.

458
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Speaker 4: And Tank is so tough and he went in for

459
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Speaker 4: the block. My point is this, I'm not going to

460
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Speaker 4: freak out about durability or anything. I think Tank's going

461
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Speaker 4: to be just fine. You know, might miss a game

462
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Speaker 4: or two. A lot of players do. CJ did, Nico did.

463
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Speaker 4: But to have Tank and Nico back and you had

464
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Speaker 4: Tyler Boyd to the mix and whatever else you want

465
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Speaker 4: to throw in there, that sounds really nice. Robert Woods

466
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Speaker 4: still in an under contract, like you said, so we'll

467
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Speaker 4: see how they would handle all that.

468
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Speaker 3: But you need look, we get into August every year.

469
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Speaker 4: You don't have enough guys at any position. It feels

470
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Speaker 4: like more and more and more and then let it

471
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Speaker 4: sort itself out. But he's somebody who could really help

472
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Speaker 4: this football team.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I really want to talk about the combin. We

474
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Speaker 2: got to get to break in a few. So here

475
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Speaker 2: are the other well, actually they're all defensive players. At

476
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Speaker 2: this point that we re signed a Z's Outshire signed

477
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Speaker 2: him at linebacker. We did right, re signed Blake Cashman,

478
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Speaker 2: so we want to continue to bolster that. We signed

479
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Speaker 2: Michael Davis the corner from the Chargers, and we signed

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Speaker 2: two in the secondary that I think these are two

481
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Speaker 2: of my favorites.

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Speaker 1: So I got a little greedy here.

483
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Speaker 2: I went signed Kenny Moore from the Colts and signed

484
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Speaker 2: Eddie Jackson who was just released by the Bears. Now

485
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Speaker 2: I feel like maybe I shortchanged Eddie Jackson with money,

486
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Speaker 2: but either way, those free agents all signing Holy smokes.

487
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Speaker 2: And then, and you'll see this at football takerware dot

488
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Speaker 2: com if you go to it. I got a two

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Speaker 2: round mock that's going up tonight. But I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: who I've got as my Texans picks. At number twenty three,

491
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Speaker 2: I took Lattu from out of UCLA, so it helped

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Speaker 2: the defensive end position. And then in the second round,

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Speaker 2: I batted back and forth. I didn't love what was

494
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Speaker 2: on the on the defensive line, so that's why I

495
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Speaker 2: resigned Clel Davis.

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Speaker 1: Kind of bolster there.

497
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Speaker 2: I went and drafted Roman Wilson, wide receiver from out

498
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Speaker 2: of Michigan, to just add a little bit more speed.

499
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Speaker 2: Ben McDaniels coached him way way back in the day

500
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Speaker 2: for a year maybe, so he knows him a little bit.

501
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Speaker 2: So I went with Roman Wilson and those are the

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Speaker 2: two picks. So I added wide receiver and defensive end

503
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Speaker 2: in my first two rounds of the draft as well.

504
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Speaker 2: So that's kind of how I went shopping this offseason,

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Speaker 2: adding those two draft picks.

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Speaker 1: In Mark, give me a grade? What did I do?

507
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Speaker 1: How did I do? Oh?

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Speaker 4: I think you got an a? This is an a, Johnny,

509
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Speaker 4: this is troum. If you could land all these guys

510
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Speaker 4: oh Man names, you know, contributors, and you're hurting the

511
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 4: division too. You pick up Kenny Moore and as he's

512
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Speaker 4: out Shire and remove Derreck Henry from the Titans and

513
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Speaker 4: who knows what they're gonna be, and you take away

514
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Speaker 4: Tyler Boyd.

515
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Speaker 3: Who's I mean?

516
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,719
Speaker 4: Obviously these guys are free agents anyway, but you take

517
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Speaker 4: away Tyler board from a Boyd from a Bengals team

518
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Speaker 4: that wants to come back with Joe Burrow healthy.

519
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Speaker 3: This year they did it.

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Speaker 4: Actually pretty well without him down the stretch, but not

521
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Speaker 4: well enough.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: I think this is a great roundup you have, and

524
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Speaker 4: I think, what do I know? But it feels like

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Speaker 4: some of the dollars you know how this is going

526
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,719
Speaker 4: to end up. These are free agents. Some of these

527
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 4: are going to be light, but you still have room

528
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Speaker 4: in the cap to make this happen. So I think

529
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Speaker 4: Nick wants this list that he wants to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: That's me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean we could talk and we'll definitely

532
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Speaker 2: talk to Nick, there's no question about that. We are

533
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Speaker 2: in Indianapolis where the scouting Combine has taken place. Mark

534
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: and I have obviously got some memories. Mine go back

535
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Speaker 2: to last year when we first saw one Coleridge Stroud

536
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Speaker 2: the fourth.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that next right here in Texans All Access.

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Speaker 2: So everybody, welcome back to this Monday edition of Texans

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Speaker 2: All Access. I'm your host, John Harris Football, and I'll

540
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Speaker 2: saw the reporter alongside the voice of the Texans, Mark

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Speaker 2: Vandimir Mark. We're back at the combine. What was your

542
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Speaker 2: first combine? I can't remember which one. What was the

543
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Speaker 2: first one you ever went to?

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Speaker 4: My first one was the twenty thirteen combine, So twenty

545
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Speaker 4: thirteen preseason. I went with Drew Doherty and Nick Skurfield

546
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Speaker 4: and it was really an eye open I was there

547
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Speaker 4: too long, Johnny.

548
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Speaker 3: I was there six seven nights.

549
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Speaker 4: It was Yeah, it was a little I watched a

550
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 4: bunch of the workouts because back then, the media stuff

551
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 4: was all in Lucas Oil Stadium in the club level

552
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 4: and they set up a little mini radio row and

553
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 4: we didn't have anything. There were very few people actually

554
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 4: broadcasting of any sort. There was some video, you know,

555
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 4: the big the big Kahunas were their ESPN, NFL network.

556
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 4: I think Florio was set up, but that was about it.

557
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Speaker 4: CBS Sports maybe and maybe one local like Pittsburgh.

558
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Speaker 3: You know, they're everywhere.

559
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Speaker 4: They're always doing something for their their team media as

560
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Speaker 4: that's what we are. But it grew over the years,

561
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Speaker 4: as you know, because you were at the next one,

562
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Speaker 4: I think, and or maybe two later, and you know,

563
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Speaker 4: I remember Dbcity being there interviewing Pat McAfee at Lucas

564
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Speaker 4: Oil Stadium and he was talking about how great NRG

565
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Speaker 4: Stadium was. That audio was played fairly recently because we

566
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Speaker 4: had all that Watt talk with McAfee and Colts Texans talk.

567
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Speaker 4: So that year though, I remember thinking we gotta beef

568
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Speaker 4: up our team media and we did. We did considerably,

569
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Speaker 4: and that was the launch of Texans Radio. We went

570
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Speaker 4: nuts and did what we are doing now, which is

571
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Speaker 4: TV radio every week in digital social just bang it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Combine news for those that do follow and partake.

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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison will be in Indianapolis. He'll meet with teams.

575
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: He has decided not to train at all for any

576
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: of the Combine, training to play football instead, so we'll

577
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Speaker 2: see if that matters as he does testing, et cetera,

578
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: et cetera.

579
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Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams, thought to be the top pick of.

580
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Speaker 2: The Chicago Bears, will not do anything but meet with teams.

581
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Speaker 2: He is going to work out at his pro day

582
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Speaker 2: at USC, which typically the USC Pro Day is near

583
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: the end of the calendar. It's usually early April, late March,

584
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: early April, so Caleb Williams will do his workout and

585
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Speaker 2: it will be an absolute you know what show.

586
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Speaker 1: Out in USC. Oh, yeah, it's Los Angeles.

587
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 2: They've got a top notch the number one overall pick,

588
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: presumably at quarterback.

589
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Speaker 1: That is going to be a crazy, crazy workout.

590
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: But Kayleb Williams will not do anything in Indianapolis, which

591
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: makes you wonder, okay, well, how many quarterbacks are actually

592
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: gonna throw?

593
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: Who's going to throw?

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00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: And Mark that leads me to probably my first Combine memory,

595
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Speaker 2: and that was that was last year and we obviously

596
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Speaker 2: with picks two and twelve. We were very invested in

597
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and then who were high profile players we could

598
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: kind of keep an eye on. And the format of

599
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Speaker 2: the combine.

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Speaker 1: You talked about.

601
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 2: The first time that I was twenty fifteen and they

602
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: had it over in the West Club of Lucas Oil,

603
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: and that is not a big area. We were on

604
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 2: top of each other, I mean literally on top of

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Speaker 2: one another.

606
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Speaker 1: There was hardly room to move, to share out and

607
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: move and do all. It was crazy.

608
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Speaker 2: And I remember they had three podiums in the West

609
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: Club set up.

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Speaker 1: They won on the right, one in the middle, one

611
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Speaker 1: on the left.

612
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Speaker 2: And I remember, in particular twenty sixteen, Jared Goff and

613
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: Marcus Barriota were having their press, their their podium session

614
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: at the same time, and there were so many people

615
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 2: kind of jam in that little space. It was like

616
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Speaker 2: you couldn't you couldn't fit anybody. The next time that

617
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Speaker 2: I remember it being that crowded was last year. Last

618
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Speaker 2: year when Bryce Young and c J. Stroud both went

619
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Speaker 2: to the podium. That's why I'll never forget those those crowds.

620
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Speaker 2: It was so crowded. I mean you literally couldn't even

621
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Speaker 2: stand a lot of times, I just stay at the

622
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Speaker 2: back and I listened for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: God enough, Okay, I'm moving on.

624
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Speaker 2: I couldn't even get where I could stand and listen

625
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: to CJ. I had to go all the way to

626
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Speaker 2: the far side, like to the podium next to him

627
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Speaker 2: on the other side of that even get a glimpse

628
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Speaker 2: or to see him. I don't know that I can

629
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Speaker 2: remember a crowd around those two quarterbacks like those last year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bryce Young. I actually got right near him to

631
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: the side somehow. I wiggled my way in there, and

632
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 4: I got some shots and I think I posted them

633
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 4: at the time, because look, we had a lot of

634
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 4: attention paid to these two guys.

635
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 3: And I just remember trying to figure.

636
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: Out how big, how sizeable Bryce Young could possibly be.

637
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 4: Was he going to be too diminutive to play the position?

638
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: You know, look at him on the hoof, as you

639
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: would say, right just in street clothes. How does he look?

640
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: Does he look like an NFL quarterback? And I thought

641
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 4: he's pretty small.

642
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: But he could play.

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00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 4: I still believe this about Bryce Young with a good

644
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: situation in Carolina, and I don't know if they have

645
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 4: one now, but I think that the coaching move they

646
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: made is probably a pretty good one for him, and

647
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 4: everybody can get in the same page now, but it'll

648
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: be interesting. I still think he can play, but you

649
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 4: have to have a lot of stuff around him. I

650
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 4: think CJ's the kind of guy who just elevates everybody.

651
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if Bryce Young was gonna elevate everybody,

652
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: but I think he can be effective and make some

653
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 4: plays in this league, no doubt. So I don't think

654
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 4: it's a wasted effort by Carolina. But they're gonna be

655
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 4: regretting not taking c J. Stroud for a long time,

656
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Speaker 4: and it's just, you know, it's just the facts. It's

657
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 4: like people regretting not taking Patrick Mahomes or not trying

658
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Speaker 4: to move up and take Patrick Mahomes. You're gonna regret

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Speaker 4: not taking c J. Stroud because look, the proof is

660
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Speaker 4: in the pudding here, and I think he's gonna make

661
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 4: a whole lot more pudding.

662
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: The revisionist history as it pertains to Patrick Mahomes is unbelievable.

663
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: It's incredible.

664
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we know I've got you know, I've got

665
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: pretty good recalling things. And you know, first of all,

666
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: that was when I was on from the beginning I

667
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: had him in my very first mock draft.

668
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: I had him going number three to Chicago Bears.

669
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: In my first in my first mock draft, and I

670
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: ended up settling on him like Deshaun was fourteen, Patrick

671
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: Mahomes was fifteen. That's in my overall hairswonder that's where

672
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 2: they ended up. But there were some people that had

673
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 2: him thirty forty, sometimes even fifty. Some people talking about, oh,

674
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: he's never gonna make an the NFL.

675
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean it. Now, there's a lot of revision his

676
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 1: history about that.

677
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: Oh well, you know he tried to trade up, or

678
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: you know, we were right there, you know, our great.

679
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: Auto you know, of course, after the fact, all that

680
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: comes through.

681
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: But I also remember that the defensive line was a

682
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 2: day or two later, testing wise, and so I just

683
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: remember I wanted to see will andersonuff close.

684
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to see Will Anderson work out.

685
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: And so when I go over to watch the testing,

686
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: I go to the other side, our side during games,

687
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: not the booth side where you are I'm on. You

688
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: guys are on it, you guys are on the cult side.

689
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: I'm on the other side. And that's where I always go.

690
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: I kind of walk over there and the broad jump

691
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: and they got the vertical jump, and I'm like, man,

692
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch. I just want to watch Will Anderson

693
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: work out, and it just so happened that he wasn't

694
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: he wasn't working out, and I was like, dang it, man,

695
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: that was the one thing I wanted to do, was

696
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: I wanted to see Will do a workout. But one

697
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: of the things that that you talked about with Gary Kubiak,

698
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: It's funny you told me that story about Kuback a

699
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: long time ago and I and that's kind of the

700
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: way that I go about a lot of things, like

701
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: when I go to watch, you know, pregame workouts, or

702
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: I watch just you know, a summer workout, or I

703
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: watch a pro day, you know, I watch how guys interact.

704
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: I watch how guys will will you know, cheer each

705
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: other on. You know what kind of kind of leaders?

706
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: Is it fake? Is it? You know, they're they're worried

707
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: about themselves.

708
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: And there have been guys over the years that I've

709
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: kind of watched the combine and I've just kind of

710
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: watched them do things, and you know, they don't pay

711
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: attention to the instructions that are given. Then they do

712
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: it wrong, and I'm like, okay, and those guys turn

713
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: out to end up being in a nuts just because

714
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: of that, but they end.

715
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: Up not being great football players.

716
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: I watched Will Anderson even though he wasn't working out,

717
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: and how involved he was in each of the drills,

718
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: just watching and helping guys, slaping fives with them when

719
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: they were done. You know, a guy that didn't think

720
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: he did a great broad jump, you know, Will kind

721
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: of pat him on the back. And I was like,

722
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: I probably learned more about Will just watching that than

723
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: I did if you work doubt, yeah, you know, and

724
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: that was incredible to think, Okay, that guy is now

725
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: going to join the Texas and we've seen all of

726
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: that come to fruition on top of the fact he's

727
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: a really damn good player.

728
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: You know.

729
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: I think so last year the combine has evolved. As

730
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 4: we said last year, we couldn't get as close to

731
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 4: these quarterbacks as we'd want to write, and we knew

732
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 4: we were looking for a quarterback. The last time I

733
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 4: knew we were looking for a quarterback because we hadn't

734
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: signed Ryan Fitzpatrick yet, was twenty fourteen when Bill O'Brien

735
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: came in and there was just such a heightened awareness

736
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 4: about everything at the combine. It was more intimate. O'Brien

737
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 4: had just taken over. You know, you need a quarterback.

738
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 4: What are you gonna do? You're gonna draft one of

739
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: these guys. This is going to be interesting. So the

740
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: quarterback focus was so hot and heavy, and back then

741
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 4: I could get a walk and talk with Teddy Bridgewater,

742
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 4: you know, he was walking with with Gil Brandt, and

743
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 4: you know, I knew Gil a little bit. I was like, hey,

744
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 4: can I get him? He's like, you can walk and talk?

745
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: And I walk and talked with him and it's about

746
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 4: a two to three minute interview. Johnny, I've tried to

747
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 4: find these I can't find the show and maybe I

748
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 4: can find it somewhere else, but I've tried to locate

749
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: the show where I have that Teddy Bridgewater interview. And

750
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 4: when Derek Carr sat down at the table and talked

751
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 4: with me for you know, a nice, relatively lengthy interview,

752
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 4: and it was so much fun to catch up with Derek,

753
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 4: who I'd known since he was a little kid.

754
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: That was cool.

755
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: And that's the Johnny Manzel draft as well, and Johnny's

756
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 4: press conference, you know, blew the doors off the building,

757
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 4: and then you look at down on the field and

758
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 4: talking about how players.

759
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: Interact with each other.

760
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: When the quarterbacks are down there, Manzell attracts a lot

761
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 4: of attention.

762
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: He is charismatic.

763
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 4: I don't care what anybody says, right, he is so charismatic,

764
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 4: and everybody wanted to talk to him. It was he

765
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: and Derek Carr who I thought had the most people

766
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: around them and they were best in the group. Now

767
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean they're the best quarterbacks, obviously, because it

768
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 4: hasn't turned out to be the case, especially with one

769
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 4: of those guys. But it's just one of those many

770
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 4: elem you look for. By the way, Johnny side note

771
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 4: on Manzel and you and I haven't talked about this,

772
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 4: the audio that came out with the Shannon Sharp podcast,

773
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 4: whether he talks about the three million that it would

774
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 4: have taken to keep them in Aggie Land. To me,

775
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 4: the most amazing thing was the reaction, and not the

776
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 4: reaction being wait a minute, this was going on back

777
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 4: then to that extent, three million guys just passing out

778
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: a dollar amount that it's going to take for them

779
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: to play at a university or to stay University three million.

780
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 4: That means other quarterbacks are getting a million or two million,

781
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 4: And it was everywhere. Now we know that stuff was

782
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 4: going on under the table, but the fact that nobody

783
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 4: reacted to really.

784
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: That part of it.

785
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 4: And as I say nobody, I'm sure somebody did, but

786
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 4: the reaction was instead.

787
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: Why did you pony up the three million? Aggies?

788
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: Just pay it?

789
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 4: And I thought, oh my gosh, we're we're examining that

790
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 4: era in retrospect with the context of today's nil.

791
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: You didn't have anil back then, and it was.

792
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 4: Pure under the table in the closet and maybe where

793
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: it belongs actually, but whatever under the table in the

794
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 4: closet payments and everyone's like, nah, it was just the

795
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: way it was, okay.

796
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: I I was listening to Sean and Seth when that

797
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: when they had that on, but I was listening on

798
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: the Odyssey app and I was behind it, so I

799
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: kind of listened to radio now, kind of like I

800
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: watched TV.

801
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: So I'll let's say I get in the cards seven

802
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: point thirty.

803
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: I'll start the show at the beginning, and so I'll

804
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: go back and I'll listen and then they you know,

805
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 2: if you do it right, you can kind of cut out.

806
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: Some of the commercials. Can't cut them out all, but

807
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: you can kind of go through, and then you can

808
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: if they start talking about astros, I don't want to

809
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: listen to astros, I.

810
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: Kind of go to the next segment. So I was

811
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: behind and I'm listening and I hear them. I hear

812
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: that that part, and I almost drove off the road,

813
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: and then I almost You know, sometimes if I'm listening live,

814
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: I'll text Shawan and Seth and you know, whatever one

815
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: liner or whatever it might.

816
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: Be, hed Jonnyman.

817
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: This is what I was about to tweet them, and

818
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: I realized I was behind the show a couple hours.

819
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: If Johnny Manziel would have spent another couple of years

820
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: at A and M, they would have gone.

821
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: They would have gotten the death penalty ten times all over.

822
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Johnny Manziel another two years in college now

823
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: much less a where this three million dollars is gonna

824
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: come from? And be what the Manzel's are going to

825
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: do with it? See how are they going to get

826
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: the money without anybody knowing? But he would have gotten

827
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: them on. He would have gotten the death penalty for

828
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: A and M with some sort of something with Drake

829
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: or something with Lebron.

830
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: I mean, something would happen.

831
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: He was already grinding his gears the third that red

832
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: shirt sophomore year, his last year.

833
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: That was just his third year at A and M.

834
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: He was already losing his mind.

835
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, two years after the fact, he would have blown

836
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: the cover on everything had gone to A and M,

837
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: and they would have got a death.

838
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: It would have been a nightmare.

839
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: That was the best thing that Kevin someone did for

840
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: the Aggies was to encourage Johnny to go to the.

841
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: NFL at that point, right, they couldn't have handled it.

842
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 4: Right, and look at all the quarterbacks that they could

843
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: have possibly benefited from. Obviously it didn't work out at

844
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 4: all with the post manziel Era. But I'm with you

845
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 4: that was the right thing for him to leave. And

846
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: I'm also with him in that. Yeah, I get it.

847
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 4: College athletes, especially somebody like him, built the stadium renovation,

848
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 4: however you want to label it. He deserves something. But

849
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: back in the day, you just didn't have that opportunity

850
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 4: other than under the table. And now we have other

851
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: opportunities and it's a whole mess. But I know we

852
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 4: weren't talking about that. I just couldn't help myself. I

853
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: had to get that Manziel takeout because it's not going

854
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 4: to come out this week in any other way as

855
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: we do these combine interviews starting tomorrow night.

856
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you say that, because Johnny had that

857
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: whole autograph thing. Well, in twenty fourteen, I had gone

858
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: over to the TriStar convention that was over in I

859
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: think it was an energy center, and so I had

860
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: gone over there. I took Jack with me, and Jack

861
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: and I are going through because they always have some

862
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: sort of collectible that Jack's gonna like, and so I

863
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: do have more sports stuff than So I'm going around

864
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: and I get to this one place and they've.

865
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: Got autograph helmets.

866
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: They got all kinds of autograph helmets, and I look

867
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: up and they got an autographed helmet a Todd Gurley had.

868
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: Gurley at the time was a junior going into his

869
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: third year at Georgia, and I was like, well, wait,

870
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: a second Manzell just got nailed for this.

871
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: I guess the Girley get paid for this low bole.

872
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: But halfway through that year, Todd Gurley ended up being

873
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 2: in eligible for the rest of the year, and I was.

874
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: Like, I didn't do that. I had nothing to do

875
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: with that, but I remember.

876
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 2: Tweeting it saying this is interesting, and I mean, look,

877
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: if players are gonna you know, I like the fact

878
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 2: like something like that in autograph signing, you should get

879
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: paid for nil or whatever the case might be. Those

880
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: players there's a desire to have somebody's autograph. Okay, you

881
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: can get paid that way, all that kind of stuff.

882
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: But back then, I don't know what you were gonna

883
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: do with three million dollars and just put under a

884
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: couch and wait ten years, Like, I don't know what

885
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: you were gonna do, or what Johnny's beef was with

886
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: Kevin Sumlan.

887
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: But either way, that combine I wish I would have

888
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: gone to.

889
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: That was the last one I didn't go to. Was

890
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: in fourteen, because my first was in twenty fifteen. Speaking

891
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: of the combine and kind of putting segments one and

892
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 2: two together a little bit the Cincinnati Bengals, a little

893
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: bit of news. I know there was some talk about

894
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: headed Texans. He what if T Higgins is the free agent,

895
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: would you go after him? I think universally everybody that

896
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: I've talked through here listen to here, you and I

897
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: talking about this. Had a feeling that T Higgins was

898
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: not going to be the ticket, if you will, for.

899
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: The Texans, and he definitely is not going to be

900
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: the ticket. In twenty twenty four, the Bengals.

901
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: Have chosen to franchise te Higgins with the Cincinnati Bengals.

902
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: Here it comes.

903
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be the case.

904
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 2: Kind of figured that all along, so I didn't even

905
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: consider him mark when I was doing my shopping.

906
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: But T Higgins franchised by the Bengals. You surprised.

907
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 4: Uh No, And I think the tags are you know,

908
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: you're running out of time to tag people. The tags

909
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 4: are going to start rolling in. It's good to tag

910
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 4: as you arrive at the combine so you can talk

911
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 4: to people about it at the combine.

912
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: Taught to agents and such.

913
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: If there are to be off from other teams, you know,

914
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 4: plant those seeds if you will, or negotiate the deal

915
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 4: that you intend to negotiate. Because, as I said last week,

916
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 4: when you tag somebody, I hope the intent is, yeah,

917
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: we want to keep this guy, not oh, we hope

918
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: to trade him and just get max value for the player.

919
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

920
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely, so T Higgins going back to the Cincinnati Bengals.

921
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: That news coming down. I know this morning as we

922
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: were getting ready to go to the airport.

923
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: So T Higgins going to be in the mix for

924
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals and not in the free agent mix whatsoever. Mark,

925
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: we're talking about kind of combine memories, and I talked

926
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: about how going and you talk about looking at Bryce.

927
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: Do you remember your thoughts when you saw CJ. Stroud

928
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: for the first time?

929
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.

930
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 4: I just remember thinking, I don't know how this is

931
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 4: gonna work out. He's got the size, he's got the arm.

932
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 4: And I'll take it back to watching him play at

933
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 4: Ohio State, which I didn't watch much Ohio State. I'm

934
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 4: not an Ohio State fan. I'm not an Ohio State guy.

935
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 4: I respect the hell out of them, and I've been

936
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 4: on the campus. I've never done a game at the Horseshoe.

937
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 4: I've done a game at Saint John Arena, their old

938
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 4: basketball arena. But to me, I thought, man, he's thrown

939
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 4: to a lot of open guys.

940
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: But here's the thing. Yeah he was not all the time,

941
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: but he was.

942
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 4: But he's putting the ball right on the money in stride,

943
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 4: totally accurate. Here's what you didn't really know for sure

944
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 4: those tight windows in the NFL, is the ball going

945
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 4: to be as accurate? Is he going to dare to

946
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: throw the ball in those tight windows? Well we know

947
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 4: the answer to that, now, don't we. And that's what

948
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 4: I always go back to. You don't know how a

949
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 4: guy is gonna evolve, improve, work on his game, embrace

950
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: it and take it to the next level.

951
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: You just don't know until you know. Will Anderson too.

952
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 4: I mean, as great as he looked coming out of college,

953
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: he had all the measurables and the intentibles, but you

954
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 4: don't know they have to take their game up a

955
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 4: notch or several. And it goes for this year too.

956
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: CJ is gonna have to get better. He'll be the

957
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: first to tell you that. You just don't know until

958
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: you know. He has the mental makeup. It appeared, but

959
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 4: he's doing it and that's what you want to see.

960
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: And some guys just don't do that, They don't take

961
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 4: those extra steps.

962
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: That's correct.

963
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: There are a couple quarterbacks that have made the decision

964
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: to not follow in the steps of CJ.

965
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: Stroud, A couple of high ranking quarterbacks.

966
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: Last year, CJ threw at the combine which two high

967
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: level prospects. High profile prospects won a Heisman Trophy winner

968
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: will not throw at the combine.

969
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: In addition to one of.

970
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: The top prospects not working out at the combine as well,

971
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: all of them have a tight A CJ.

972
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: Stroud in some respects. We'll cover that next.

973
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: Plus it's quarterback and the AFC who says he wants

974
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: to stay five more years and win two titles at

975
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: his current location. But will his current location be his

976
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: future location? That's next right here in Texans All Access,

977
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: everybody walking back to a Monday edition of Texas.

978
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 5: All Access from Indianapolis, Indiana, home of the twenty twenty

979
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 5: four NFL Scouting Combined, where Mark and I with Drew

980
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 5: our guys, Josh and GUARDI are gonna be all week

981
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 5: long for everything happening with the scouting Combine.

982
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: Now it's been flipped from the standpoint of who works

983
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: out who we're gonna hear from first most years, it's

984
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: been the defensive group second and the defensive back to last.

985
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna flip.

986
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: I think the defensive backs and d line and all

987
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 2: those guys are gonna be going the first few days

988
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: and the quarterbacks after that, I think they're gonna try

989
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: and line it up so that the quarterbacks work out

990
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: on Saturday for prime time or Thursday for prime time

991
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: or whatever. It's gonna be two quarterbacks. You will not

992
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: see though. I met you this a little bit to Mark.

993
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels will not throw. They will attend

994
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: the combine, do interviews, meetings, all that kind of stuff,

995
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: but they do not plan to participate in throwing drills. Now,

996
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 2: you remember we talked about CJS drive in the last segment.

997
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: CJ put on a show throwing a football, went there

998
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: to compete, competed, and you saw everything you wanted to.

999
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: Bryce Young to not throw the combine. He threw his proda.

1000
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: Briyce ended up being the first pick. CJ went second.

1001
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: She did a much better year. I don't know if

1002
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: anything had to do with throwing at the combine, but

1003
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: I get quarterbacks not wanted to throw now, especially if

1004
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: their pro day is shortly thereafter. Now I don't know

1005
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: the dates of the prota.

1006
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: Oh, here we go.

1007
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: USC's PRODA is Mark twentieth. LSU's announced for March twenty seventh.

1008
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: I know there have been years where Alabama's pro day

1009
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: was like a week after the Combine, but the things

1010
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: have been pushed back. At least for usc US, he

1011
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: is typically in that late March early April window. LSU's

1012
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: kind of the same thing, but USC's announced PROTA is

1013
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 2: for March twentieth.

1014
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: As I mentioned to Mark, that is going to be

1015
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: a leap show out in LA.

1016
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: LSU's announced a PRODA from March twenty seventh. That's where

1017
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 2: Jade danielssumably will throw. I wouldn't even surprised if CAPA

1018
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 2: believers just doesn't even do anything. I mean, he's gonna

1019
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 2: be the number one pick I think, regardless, but I

1020
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: guess you'll throw this pro day at least that's the

1021
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: way it sits right now. Also not testing at the

1022
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 2: Combine this week is Marvin Harrison junior. He will not

1023
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 2: He will not be testing, and I don't know if

1024
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: he'll test his pro day. The thought is that he

1025
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: wants to focus more on football skill, not combine testing skills,

1026
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: So uh, we'll see if that changes. But presumably Ohio

1027
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: States Marvin Harrison Junior at best will work out at

1028
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: his pro day on campus at Ohio State. Russell Wilson

1029
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: wants two more Super Bowls and hopes to finish in Denver. Yikes,

1030
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: I gotta feel and there could be some news coming

1031
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: out of the Combine or in and around the Combine

1032
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: of Russell Wilson not being in Denver any longer.

1033
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: But we'll see how that plays out.

1034
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna have a great time here at Combine,

1035
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: and you're gonna be with us through all access, through

1036
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: all our columns, through our interviews. Keep in mind tomorrow

1037
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: Tamika Ryan's right out to shoot at six o'clock and

1038
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: on Wednesday n Casserio again right at the top, top

1039
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: of the hour at six o'clock, so exclusive Texans Radio

1040
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: one on one.

1041
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: Definitely want to be there for that. Appreciate you guys

1042
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: being here. We'll see tomorrow as always, Go Texans.