WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: The Return 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:05.280 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:14.080 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This he's Talking 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:18.680 Cowboys training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:24.120 the Star in Frisco. Elliot, flowing to the gold line, says, 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:30.600 goot tits today and now your hosts Isaiah stand back, 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:38.080 Patrick Walker and Kyle Yeomans. It is a say it 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:42.960 with your chest Friday here on Talking Cowboys, presented by 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.879 Black Rifle Coffee Company. Here from the Star in Frisco, 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:51.040 in the s WBC studios. It is a beautiful Friday 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.840 in Frisco. Not really. It's cloudy, it's gross, it gets 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.400 getting cold. It's gonna be rainy at some point later on. 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.400 But it's beautiful because we've got football in Week ten 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.840 of the NFL season, the Cowboys and the Green Bay Packers. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.679 As always, I said, stand back Patrick, No, c Walker, 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.000 Chris Beam in the back, Um, Kyle Yeoman's we've got 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:13.720 a return. Not Mike McCarthy return into Green Bay. Not 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.679 that type of return. It's a it's a good return. 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.800 We've got the triumphant return of one Bobby from West Dallas. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:30.920 Ak heck the saddle baby back in the saddle. What 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.360 was that Bobby who wins? Dito? Give a shout out 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.680 to the sanitation to Mark take it out to try. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.360 What's up? Man? Good to be back home, baby. Yeah, 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.720 So no Players Louns today, so said, let's call up 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.320 our boy Heck one and get him in the show. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.280 I appreciate you. I haven't had the lab, no doubt 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.680 about it. You can hear him on the Players Louns 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.600 Monday through Friday. At what time was it again? To 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.960 two o'clock? Two o'clock on Players Louns. Keep that in mind. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:02.760 But we've got heck my back in the saddle today. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.560 It's good to have a four back in here too. Man. 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:10.280 Just don't feel right, man, peas he not here? Baby? This? 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.679 Don't this something wrong? I'm trying to keep a seat on. 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.160 It is good. It's all mixed up. But yeah, we 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.239 do miss Rob every day. I feel like I miss Rob. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.000 I just every something happens and I'm like, man, that 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:26.600 would have been fun to talk to me Rob about. 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:31.040 I know you talk like a t w w R 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.080 w WRD. So we've got a fun matchup coming up 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.840 on Sunday, Cowboys and the Packers and I wanted to 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:38.799 talk a lot about why are you? Why are you laughing? 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.800 What are you laughing about? Nothing? That it's a fun matchup. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.239 It's gonna be fun. What do you think it is? 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.200 It not fun? It's gonna be fun. I look forward 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.640 to it. I look forward to it. Go ahead, well 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.919 you know, why are you laughing? I'm just fun the 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.440 fun asking It's gonna be fun for one side? Oh yeah, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.959 which side? Not not the cheese. I can tell you 0:02:58.040 --> 0:02:59.639 that it's gonna be like they're gonna be black toes 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:04.799 this week. I hate the cheese lactoset this weekend. That 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.640 scares me. That scares me. When you when you sums up, 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.760 something's coming around the corner. What do you got? I 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.280 forgot about you. I was there. You've been laying a 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.120 little bread crumbs. I'm not falling for it. What's good? 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:18.440 Have you learned this yet? Yeah? Have you? Okay? Cool? 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.760 I was on with this guy right here. Man. He 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:24.600 was talking about the science, and I was like, I 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.240 wonder how these two get along? Him with the science 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:33.600 and you with the booby traps. The booby trap is chinkies. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:40.400 Oh how did I get I like it? VELL would 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:41.920 have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:46.880 you and I RS Chinkies, I RS and his bread crumbs. Yeah, 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.560 get you. We're gonna we're gonna make some predictions later 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.600 you get a sneak one out. You're gonna sprinkle the 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.320 cheese this week all week. Man, you know what I'm saying, 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.160 just walking there, walking the Lambau, you know, eating stream cheese, 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.360 grilled cheese, eating stream cheese. You're the one that always 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:04.040 wants to say, don't overlook an opponent, though, especially an 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.840 opponent with a Hall of fame. Quarterball said that plenty 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.200 of times. I have said that, and if people will 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.040 watch special edition this week, I think we point that out. Kyle. 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.440 It just you have to respect the man, no doubt 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.560 about it. This dude is a complete dog, complete beast. 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.520 But even complete dogs and complete beasts need to have 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.200 somebody around them, and they don't have that. And for 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:31.160 whatever reason, that organization dislikes that man. And it's not 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.560 a secret they dislike. They've disliked him for a while. 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.200 They've been disgruntled. They have not provided him the resources 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.920 that he needs. If anybody should be very successful in 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.160 this league should be Aaron Rodgers from what he has 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.160 individually done. But they haven't put anybody around them. A 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:46.960 matter of fact, they admit went out their weight and 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.360 to ensure they don't put anybody around them. So I 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.719 don't know what's going on out there, but Dallas doesn't 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:53.960 freaking care. So go out there and take advantage of them. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.720 Get after him this weekend. Get after him. Forced him 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.320 to make some mistakes because he's thrown to Alan is Our, 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.440 Romeo Dobbs, Robert Tunying, those are the guys, those are 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:06.719 his dudes on the outside, So keep that in mind. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.880 Let's get to news and notes, Patrick Walker, what's going 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.560 on around Cowboy's Nation? WWRD? What would Rob do? News 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:17.160 and notes. As far as the injury report, only one 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:22.120 change from Wednesdays, which would be Jake Ferguson missed Thursday 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.880 practice with an illness a little bit of a bug, 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.440 and we'll see if he practices today and more specifically 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.520 tomorrow as well. So it doesn't sound like the team 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.599 is too concerned. But again, when it comes to illness, 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.240 I mean, you just never know. You have to take 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:36.920 it day to day. So when it comes to Jake Ferguson, 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:38.920 take it day to day, if for whatever reason Fergie 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.720 can't go. Obviously, Dawton showed this te one Peyton hendershot 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.360 he can get the job done and then they'll call 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.200 up Sean McKellen as well. Ezekiel Elliott, he was limited 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.840 again yesterday. No no regression, no setback. He's still on 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.080 track to play on Sunday. We'll see how that goes. 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.880 He's expected, it's expected that he will play. Everybody else 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.919 is tracking will biggest news would be green Bay Packers. 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:07.240 Obviously they lose Rashawn Gary, but yesterday devon jury Campbell, 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.840 their team leading tackler, still did not practice with a 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:12.920 knee injury, so keep an eye on that. As far 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.360 as the defense of the Packers going against Dak Prescott 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.680 and this offense and Cowboys, so that's wild. Okay, So 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.720 yesterday I was on a Green Bay radio station and 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.760 they were asking me about Michael Parsons and the question 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.200 was how good is Michael Parsons And I kind of 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.560 told him like, that's how good he is, laid it 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.520 all out there for him. Outside of that, you take 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.800 Michael Parsons And they said this, I didn't say this. 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.479 They were like, so just freaking Packers fans out there, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.120 if you, if you want to really know how good 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.400 Michael Parsons is, take Rashawn Gary and put him with 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.040 Campbell and just merge him in the one player And 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.160 that's Michael Parsons. And that ain't even Mike. No, I 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:55.640 don't know, And I feel like you miss it an ingredient. 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:01.880 Still dog throw throw yeah, speed in there, you can 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:03.640 throw it all. Yeah, they were even saying that. But 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.560 those are two Pro Bowl caliber players where Sean Gary 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.320 was absolutely on his way to a Pro Bowl when 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.240 he got hurt and he's out for the season. But 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.200 there's nothing like quite like the Bazuka. No, there's not 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.080 nothing quite like. Michael Parsons reminds me of an eminem line. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:19.440 We'd like to take a little bit of puck, a 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.920 little big, big, little bit of biggie, put him in 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.080 a pot sprinkling a little bit of stove top. What 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.800 do you get. That's what you got, Michael Parsons. He's 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.240 just everything that you want, plus things that you didn't 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.000 know could exist in a defensive player. Like That's why 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.080 I don't I don't think it's premature to do comparisons 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.240 to LT. I mean, ultimately, the career will bear itself 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.200 out and we'll see if that's the case. But as 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.880 we have this conversation, absolutely he looks like a young guilt. Absolutely. 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.640 Who's the bigger transcendent star? You've got a MAV's hat on. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:47.520 So this makes me think of this question, who's the 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.760 bigger transcendent star in Dallas right now? Michael Parsons or 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:55.239 Luca done O. You want to have a full blown debate, 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.960 that's one way to get it started. You don't think 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.880 so I am it's Micah. You think it's Mica. Yeah, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.240 I mean it's He's a linebacker that's up for the 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.520 that people are considering to be the Most Valuable Player 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.800 of the league a quarterback award. They're talking about a 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.880 defensive player in that regard. You know how cold bloody 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.880 you gotta be. Luca could be an MVP, though he 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.080 could very well be. Look, I don't I don't. Look. 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.000 I don't get into the Luca conversation with this is 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.000 not me because I don't. I don't have time for 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:26.920 the hate, you know, and all that I'm just saying 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:29.360 is that what I don't have time for the hate 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.480 and all that. So all I'm saying to you is 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:35.199 when it comes down to Micah, this the trajectory that 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.560 he's on right now as a player is different. He's 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.920 in a whole different lane as as far as a 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.800 defender is concerned. Me and this man has uh, we've 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.320 we've talked a lot about where we should play him, 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.360 and uh, I think I think that argument has been 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.600 put to bed with you, Zaiah. I think you you're 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.080 good with him over at the rush, at the rush position, 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.599 because I feel like you have seen the light that 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.439 this man is one of the best to do it 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.839 at the edge position. I don't see nothing wrong. Hello, Hello, Hello, 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:12.440 with a little defensive hello, but key word in there 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.079 is little. I don't like him, still understand. You understand 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.160 because of what you saw from a couple of weeks ago, 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.640 when teams were literally shooting at his knees. You know 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.360 where he's at, You know how to get him down. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.079 He can do all the drills he want to in 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.559 terms of protecting your knees, pushing a man down, hopping around, 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.200 but ultimately, if somebody takes one hundred shots at your knees, 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.120 one's gonna get through. And I just don't like him 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.840 being isolated in that position. I think that they obviously 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.040 he's super effective in that position. I still would like 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.240 to see him utilize at the second level more especially 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:41.880 coming through the A gaps and things of that nature. 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.040 If you're going to bring him right, bring five, bring 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.080 drop one, whatever you gotta do, try to keep your 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.360 guys you coverage. Wise, you're still covered. But I still 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.080 don't like him just there. But he's there's no doubt 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.520 about it there nor whether was there ever a debate 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.520 about his effectiveness at the defense end. It was always 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.720 just in regards to him being targeted at that position 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.120 and easily to scheme up. And I think you've seen 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.680 him and I agree with I agree with you because 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.960 I've been able to see him now getting nicked up 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.640 because of all those things that you're talking about, pulling 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.640 those guards around at him, chipping him with running backs, 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.360 bringing an extra tight end to his side, and shooting 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.520 the knees, all those things. And I think that's contributed 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.080 to the shoulder injury, the leg injuries because he's having 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.280 to do that. If there's a guy that he started 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.599 his career that way, I think he would already be 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.960 accustomed to those things happening to If you look at 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.000 the Miles Garrets of the other league, the t. J. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.240 Watts of the league. These are guys that are used 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.760 to playing that position and they know what comes with it. 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.559 I think as you go through this next stretch, I'm 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.960 sure dan Quinn is like, how do I save him? 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.000 How do I save him? And and I'm sure it's 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.760 not the no one's thinking, all right, let's take him 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.320 off the field. Yeah, I think it may be okay, 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.160 maybe we And this is crazy to even say from 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.400 a linebacker standpoint, putting putting him at linebacker, putting him 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.320 out on those coverage downs, putting him in a situation where, look, 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.439 we're expecting to stretch run this way. Maybe that's something 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.120 that because of his athletic ability versus taking on the guard, 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.319 you know, that will save him for the run that 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.559 you're trying to make In the playoffs. I think his 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:18.120 his distribution between linebacker and defensive and will largely rest 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.360 on the shoulders of how effective these guys are at 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.920 the linebacker position. In terms of Daman Clark, Vander ash Bar, 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.280 you know Cox, if those guys can come out and 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.120 they can't be effective and be impactful at that level 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.280 on a consistent basis, then yeah, you'll see a lot 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:35.920 more of Mica. But Miles Garytt much like Mica, he 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.120 was he was created, he wasn't born, right, It was 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.400 just different, right. But also his body type is different. 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.520 His body type built to handle those things, right, not 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.640 saying that MICA's is not a physical specimen, but his 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:54.040 body is not a Miles Garrett, right, So their bodies 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:55.840 can take a lot more of that, right, And they 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.199 can get away with different types of rushes because of 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.560 their weight that they have behind them. I just don't 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.600 want him to get beat up, man, that's my band. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.080 I know he'll play through it, We've seen it. But still, 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.000 if you're if you're an offensive scheme, if your officsive coordinator, 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.360 what are you gonna do? Shoot at that boy's knees, Like, 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:12.480 get his hands down, that's what you're gonna say. Get 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.240 his hands down. We don't want it, we don't tend 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:19.679 to hurt him. Get his hands down. The absolutely shoot 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.880 the knees. This is a full circle moment for us 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.760 as as a group, you know, because at one point 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.720 early on in the Michael Parsons days, he already hack 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:31.800 of my words far hard. That's what I saund like, 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.120 but we never disagreed on his effectiveness there. But my 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.800 conversation was always like, if you put him there, this 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:39.719 is what come with. We come with it went with 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.559 with both ends of the spectrum though on how to 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.760 utilize him. And now we've come to some code, some 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.520 some meat in the medal. Yeah, we've come back to 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.719 the That's how peace treaties are made, exactly. You see 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.240 the good, you see the bad. Like we know what 0:12:55.440 --> 0:13:02.040 last night, all they worked together, came in with symmetry, 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.360 the yang and the yang that comes together as one. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.840 It's phenomenal. All right, So you said any other news 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.719 and knows that's what we got. So so freaky zink 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:16.760 he's not playing, huh now I'm playing. You think he 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.520 has You think he has a good shot to play 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:19.959 on Sunday. I think he has an excellent shot to 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.000 play on Sunday. The snapcount will be the question mark. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:26.280 I think that's what we're being Um, that's the framing 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.480 of it all. So the expectation continues to be that 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.679 he'll play. But when you hear Zekiel Elliott kind of 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.439 tempered the expectation by saying, on Wednesday, I don't know 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.720 yet I think that's kind of setting the stage four. Okay, 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.880 I'll play, but it probably it probably won't be my 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.599 full workload normally, so they're probably scale him back. I 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.640 expect him to play and start, but I expect Tony 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.280 Pollard to get the bulk of the snaps as they 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.280 continue to ramp him back up from this NIEE brain 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.400 to make sure there's no setbacks going into the most 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.480 critical part of the year. So but I think he played. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:57.240 Is that a part of Zeke last week watching on 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.360 the sidelines and seeing Tony Pollard two weeks ago go 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:02.200 for one hundred and thirty. I mean, you've talked about 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.920 it before. It when you have an injury and you 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.520 you have a guy come in and replace you after 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.160 being out for a significant amount of time, And of course, 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.760 as Zeke hasn't been significant, it's only been one game. However, 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.400 he goes in and plays like he did did Tony Pollard. 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.360 Ezekiel Elliott sitting there on the sideline saying, oh, you 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.520 know what, I don't think this is bothering me as much. 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.640 I think I think I'm good to go. I've got 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.480 a buye a week. This is great. Let me back 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.080 in there, even though it's might it might be in 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.280 a limited capacity. I think it's different from what we 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.520 talked about because what you're saying leans to what we 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.240 were saying as far as the Dalton shows and the 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.760 young tight end equation. Right, But Dalti is on a 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.520 franchise tag, where as Zeke, although the contract conversation will 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.160 come up in the offseason, he's not on a one 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.760 year deal with not every you're always trying to prove yourself. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.480 That so the myth is that you get your big 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.200 contract and you're not trying to prove yourself. You're always 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.680 trying to prove yourself. So that's no different with Zeke. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.040 But I don't think he's feeling what Dalton shots was feeling. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.920 When Dalton first sprained his PCO and we talked about it, 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:59.720 we say, hey, you know, the longer you stay out, 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.480 the more of these young tight ends are going to 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.440 get in here and do some work. And then what happened. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.640 Jake Ferguson gets a touchdown and don't and it's like, oh, 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.840 put me back in coach, all right. I don't think 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.960 that's a similar situation. I think it's a genuine you 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.080 have the friendly competition, but I think it's a genuine 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.160 rooting for each other between Tony and Zeke, and I 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.800 think Zeke sees the benefit of Tony being able to 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.160 do what he did a couple of weeks ago because 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.760 it does allow him. And this is the maturity of 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.160 Zeke as well, because as recently as last year, you 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.520 couldn't pull Zeke off the field even with that Tony pcl. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.160 Now he's looking at it as he's saying, Okay, hey, listen, 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.480 I'm not going to keep playing hurt because I'm not 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.800 doing myself any favors. So I don't think that it's 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.720 a situation where he's like, oh, put me back out there. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.560 I mean, he's really coming off of two weeks rest 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.960 and I think he's able to go, and the Cowboys 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.000 are just going to manage the workload. Good to know, 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.600 Good to know. I want to talk about Mike McCarthy 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.480 here for a little bit, because of course it is 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.280 the return. You go back to Lambeau. It's a hostile environment. 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.320 I said this to somebody that morning, but six and 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:05.440 two Cowboys, three and six packers if you took the 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.160 names away from the organizations, and it's a six and 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.800 two team and a three and six team. You're normally 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.880 not excited about this matchup. It's just another game. Check 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.160 the box, move on, let's get to seven and two 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.800 and let's keep on rolling. But there's a couple factors here. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:23.320 There's Cowboys Packers. That rivalry is always there. You've also 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.240 got lambeau Field. You've got a cold lambeau Field in 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.240 the middle of November. A little bit different there too, 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.200 something to keep an eye on. Then you've got the 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.520 added aspect of, oh, by the way, they still have 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.360 a Hall of Fame quarterback and your head coach is 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.520 going back to Lambeau. So, heckman, when you were looking 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:43.040 at this matchup, how much of a factor will the 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:48.800 energy be around Mike McCarthy around this organization when they 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:52.280 make this trek up to Lambeau in order to try 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.760 and back up their head coach. I think when you 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.720 talk about these two franchises, you throw the records out 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.440 of the window anyway, and just because us you know, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.080 it wouldn't even matter if Mike McCarthy would the ice 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:08.760 go back, go back over this, the franchise's history and 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.440 them playing each other, um, this is they're they're gonna 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:16.080 be main stage every time. But I think for Mike McCarthy, 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.359 and I think for this especially for this team, I 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.119 think they've gravitated around him. They've seen the job that 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.719 he's done, especially with Dak going going down, with all 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.440 the stuff that goes on in the media, I think 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.640 that these guys have done a better job and then 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.439 in past years of just kind of just not listening 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.600 to to what's going on outside of the building. But 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.440 for Mike McCarthy, that that has to be that sense 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.080 of I want to beat these boys down. You know. 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.360 It is just like you know, Zaiah, you're my boy, 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:45.879 you know, if I know you got beat by here 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.600 and you tell me, man, hey, he coming through. Man hey, man, 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.239 we gotta get him in. We gotta yeh hey, hey, 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.280 we up in here. And I think, and I don't know, 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.280 because man, you played, you know, like these guys are 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.639 played and paid athletes. It doesn't matter. They're going out 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.440 there to get a W anyway, do they make this 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:08.000 personal for their coach because if they know of the 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.159 way that he was let go, the embarrassment that he 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:11.800 had to go through the whole year that he was 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.160 he was out, I just think Kyle, just to answer 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.119 your question that, yes, I think this team has an 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:17.879 add a chip on the shoulder to go in there 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.840 get it. But then there's there's more incentive because of 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.120 the way that Mike was let going in Green Bay. Yeah, 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.960 I think Jerry Jones will be watching this game very carefully. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.320 Why is that because of all the speculation of what 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.480 the coaches that are possibly out there, the coaches that 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.080 are behind McCarthy right now that could possibly move their 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.760 way up, the coaches that got that quote unquote retire 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.000 that are sitting probably in Frisco and Alan wherever the 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.440 heck he lives at. I think that he wants to 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:49.280 see how this team responds personally for Mike McCarthy, and 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.879 it's different from just doing your job. I see what 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.720 you did that, man? Oh you see you? You good? 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:01.560 You out just saying it's different from from from watching 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.359 your team just do their job and be competitive and 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.840 then then you correlate that you and you relate it 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.840 to Okay, how do they respond when they know that 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:15.320 they're covering his back personally? Is it gonna be different? 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:16.840 Is it gonna be more of the same. Are you're 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.040 gonna see them respond a little bit more emotionally, like, 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:21.800 what is that going to look like? I think Jerry 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.200 Jones is gonna be watching that very careful. Well, I'll 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.960 read a quote from jay Ron Curse when he was 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.919 asked about if there's some extra juice to go up 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.840 there and get this one from McCartin quote, we want 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:35.720 to get this one for our head coach, being that 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.119 he was there for some years. Just to go out 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.120 there and take care of business for him, that's motivation 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.200 for us to go up there and do some tremendous things. 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:47.000 End quote. These players are they want this for Mike. 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.520 They want it. They saw in the press conference and 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.280 probably in the meeting rooms as well, fighting back tears. 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.240 This is an emotional homecoming for him, and based on 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.600 how he left, they don't want him to leave his 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.479 homecoming as the loser, right, So they're gonna go up 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.040 there and they're gonna try to play out of their minds. 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.639 He's gonna be eating that cheese stead. I hope he 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:08.639 walks out. If he walks in with some stream cheese, 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:13.680