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Speaker 2: Back on the Drive here live from the upmc rooney

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Speaker 2: Sports Complex. It is the final day of our three

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Speaker 2: of mini camp. Six shows in the books, now the

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Speaker 2: six shows in the books, now Mini camp here, the

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Speaker 2: final practice coming up in just about an hour before

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Speaker 2: we will have the closure of this offseason phase and

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Speaker 2: all eyes turn towards Latrobe and training camp in the

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Speaker 2: start of the twenty twenty five NFL season. West Shuler

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Speaker 2: here with Matt and Dale on the Drive. We're with

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Speaker 2: you until one o'clock, two more hours today. And guys,

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Speaker 2: here's where I wanted to start with you this hour

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Speaker 2: as we kind of spent the first hour on defense,

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Speaker 2: spin the block to the other side of the football

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Speaker 2: here special teams longing, we gotta get da we gotta

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Speaker 2: get Danny Smith out here to yell at us a

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Speaker 2: little bit more. I wanted to ask you know, I

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Speaker 2: had this in my notes for today and having you

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Speaker 2: know Dale here now is awesome as well too. We

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Speaker 2: have talked a lot about Aaron Rodgers, rightfully, so, we've

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Speaker 2: talked a lot about the run game, the past catchers,

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Speaker 2: the blend, the balance. Arthur Smith. Could I make a

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Speaker 2: good faith argument that Broderick Jones could be one of

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Speaker 2: the biggest keys to the offense this season, to the team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean talking about a pivotal X factor. Huge

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Speaker 3: for him, huge ye for Aaron Rodgers for their offense,

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Speaker 3: and how it all relates to his ability at the

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Speaker 3: left tackle position.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's very safe.

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Speaker 3: I mean, especially considering them the position he plays offensive

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Speaker 3: tackles right, absolutely critical. You can't just go get another one.

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Speaker 3: I mean some of these positions, one of your linebackers

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Speaker 4: You could find somebody that would get you through the season. Sure, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean if your left tackle is a mess your

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Speaker 4: offense and you.

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Speaker 5: Trade it up fourteenth pick in the draft, yeah, like,

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Speaker 5: that's gotta be. He's gotta get it. It's gotta it's

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Speaker 5: gotta come, it's gotta click, right, you know, if it doesn't,

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Speaker 5: you know, you're all in not owing. But the idea

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Speaker 5: is to get a quarterback next year. Right, we're forgetting

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Speaker 5: a quarterback next year.

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Speaker 2: You better know who your left tackle is.

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Speaker 5: Right, he can't also get a left tackle now?

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Speaker 3: Nine chance in twenty twenty six, he's going to be

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Speaker 3: a Steeler either way. Right, But before that you have

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Speaker 3: to decide is he a fifth your option guy? Is

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Speaker 3: he an extension candidate? Do you want him to be

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Speaker 3: here for never ever? Be a two helmet guy? And

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Speaker 3: he has those those type of skills.

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Speaker 5: Think about this. People are ready to write him off

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Speaker 5: after two seasons.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Think about Thomas with the Giants. Great exactly, he was

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Speaker 5: in a similar situation. He was rookie, was.

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Speaker 2: Off move in sides of the offensive line.

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Speaker 5: The second year was yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, third year one of the best left that the league. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a good point. Georgia guy, Yeah, I think he's

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Speaker 3: Georgia guy.

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Speaker 4: Yah.

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Speaker 2: See Georgia Or is he Alabama? Is he Georgia big

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Speaker 2: red machine? Right? Win the National championships in a bunch

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Speaker 2: of games? Yeah? I just and I realized We've talked

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Speaker 2: to how this offense in the type of success they

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Speaker 3: So with that, I mean he even met He mentioned Thomas,

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Speaker 3: who's a high pedigree early first round pick, I mean,

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Speaker 3: a similar talent to Jones. But even look how much

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Speaker 3: better Dan Moore got year after year. I mean each

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Speaker 2: You know, you guys are right, it was George.

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Speaker 5: And offensive tackles. We're drafted, especially in the top half

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Speaker 3: They sell them stak yeah, right, right, right, I mean

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Speaker 2: They might not have a Bowl All Pro career, but

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Speaker 3: The other Giant, Neil who was from Bama, was about

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Speaker 4: Bad player. Yeah, he's had some injuries, but it hasn't

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there been twenty five other guys in that period

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Speaker 3: And that's where the best ones come from. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you look at the best players of the position, they're

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Speaker 5: I don't count like Alex Leatherwood.

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Speaker 4: No, No, he likes a later pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah, it's a good call. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they go high. They're rare.

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Speaker 3: The those traits don't grow on trees, and he's got

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Speaker 3: great traits. I don't know how much it's hurt him

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Speaker 3: detail and have laid out the exact timeline of why

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Speaker 3: it exactly it is the way it is. This isn't

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Speaker 3: a perfect world. You can't just always be exactly where

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Speaker 3: the way it goes. I mean, but I do think

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Speaker 3: plopping him at left tackle going forward can't hurt.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's a great start. Is just

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Speaker 3: Then I'm sure people have listened to Max starts before.

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Speaker 3: But we had so many good conversations with him at

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Speaker 3: the combine and there was things I never thought about

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Speaker 3: from a left versus right tackle thing, and he said

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Speaker 3: if I'm a left tackle, that left leg first step

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Speaker 2: Left versus right, you know, totally makes them.

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Speaker 3: Shorter, thicker, stronger, interior muscles where longer, stridier, short, you

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Speaker 3: So at least he's in the same spot. And what

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Speaker 3: I think his mind, I don't know him. I mean,

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Speaker 3: think getting away from the game for that two weeks

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Speaker 3: a lot of scrutiny. You know, there were some games

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Speaker 3: that weren't pretty. You know that one remembers just the

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Speaker 3: bad at that position, of course. I mean, if if

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Speaker 3: no one calls your name all day, you had a

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Speaker 2: If everybody forgot about you, right, how about the.

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Speaker 3: Fifty eight blocks I made? They were great, and I

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Speaker 3: love two sacks. You know, that's a nature position. But

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Speaker 3: it did seem definitely on the field post buy was

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Speaker 3: of that probably was mental.

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Speaker 4: Not to mention the physical injury.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think, yeah, yeah, the injury was some was real, yeah,

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Speaker 5: And I think he had prepped himself to come in

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Speaker 5: I'm back at right tackle. Because that was the plan.

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Speaker 4: That was a plan.

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Speaker 5: You know, the plan was, all right, take a look

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Speaker 5: at this, all right, Felton is good, We're gonna put it.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna right, yeah, we're gonna put Jones over and

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Speaker 5: left tackle, let him compete against Danmore. Well, then Fltona

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Speaker 5: gets hurt. Now you're back right tackle, and so you know,

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Speaker 5: is it fair? No, no, but you gotta put your

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Speaker 5: best five out there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, nobody cares about fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, football like life on Sunday, it's not fair. You

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Speaker 2: have to find a way to win.

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Speaker 4: So many spots you get on the field, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: So my kind of next level of this conversation for

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Speaker 2: you too, find gentlemen, is.

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Speaker 3: This super quick and they'll mention this too, is if

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Speaker 3: it's back to him being at crossroads and being one

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Speaker 3: of the most important Steelers, if he could get to

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Speaker 3: be a high level starter.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that'd be incredible. But if not, again, you.

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Speaker 3: Want to use that first round pick, probably on a quarterback,

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Speaker 3: but you have to use first round picks on tackles,

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, all of a sudden, So you

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Speaker 3: don't want to be in the free agent market getting

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Speaker 3: the next dand more twenty million.

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Speaker 5: If he's if he's Dann Moore this year, okay.

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Speaker 4: That'd be fine. Yeah, but I would want better, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I would take it today.

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Speaker 5: I want better long term. But if he's at least.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a disaster.

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Speaker 5: If he's as half reache, yeah this year, okay, go

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Speaker 5: a long way?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, And now I got the option.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now, I know he can handle it, and you

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Speaker 3: get one more year out of him in a minimum

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Speaker 3: to figure out the contract situation. And that's the thing though,

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Speaker 3: I mean to get franchise quarterbacks and franchise tackles, you

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Speaker 3: got to use first round picks.

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Speaker 2: You only got one, totally. They don't give you thirty

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Speaker 2: two and have two in the top fifteen. As much

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Speaker 2: as we would like to.

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Speaker 3: And I know it was not a perfect world, but

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Speaker 3: I would have loved and there wasn't a spot to

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Speaker 3: do it. I would have loved to have seen a third

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Speaker 3: round project offensive tackle, fourth round project offensive tackle that

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Speaker 3: maybe becomes Samal who's replacement of guard.

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Speaker 4: He's a fall back your hand. And those guys off

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Speaker 4: the board so fast this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they did. They did so next.

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Speaker 4: Year with all those extra picks. Hey, you can take

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Speaker 4: those movies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right. So with this, my next question for

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Speaker 2: you two fine gentlemen is quite simply, how much would

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Speaker 2: you play the starting five offensive line in the preseason?

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Speaker 2: Hm hmm.

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Speaker 5: I don't need to see him a ton, even with

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Speaker 5: the youth, I still would like to keep him kind

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Speaker 5: of bubble wrapped up. Yeah, I mean really Valatano's the

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Speaker 5: only one who doesn't have a ton of experience, right,

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Speaker 5: those other guys have.

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Speaker 2: All played, even Fraser and McCormick. Yeah, you know, well

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Speaker 5: I want to see him out there when Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 5: They've got guys there. Then Yeah, yeah, I've played NFL snaps.

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Speaker 4: The last five minutes of the fourth quarter. Fine, you know, nobody's.

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Speaker 5: Its your evaluation. If your practices of your defensive lineman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always the offense great or the wide receivers great?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really interested to see the six through question

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Speaker 2: There, certainly, are there certainly are yeah? Uh no, doubt

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Speaker 2: of that when we return here in the eleven o'clock hour.

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Speaker 2: It is a special edition of the Drive. I'm west

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Speaker 2: Huler with Lolly and Williamson. It's all happening here at

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Drive here on the final day

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Speaker 2: of many Camp west Euler with the Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 2: the Dale Lolly here in the backyard of the Steelers'

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Speaker 2: upmc rooney Sports Complex, looking immaculate, looking ready to go

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Speaker 2: hot one, another beautiful day here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I tell you what. Those people over at

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Speaker 2: They're gonna have a nice, nice sweaty bead going on.

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Speaker 5: By the least you're carrying their clubs.

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Speaker 2: At least they're not carrying their clubs. No doubt that

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Speaker 5: Golf a tires a little.

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Speaker 3: So you guys have a much especially Dale is a

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Speaker 4: I hardly ever do.

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Speaker 3: Like they're loud and like chugging beers and it's not

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Speaker 2: is another day of watching DK Metcalf run out. He

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Speaker 3: Was it yesterday that we were saying, like DK met

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Speaker 2: Bring it up and we barely barely we've barely talked

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Speaker 7: How excited you worked out with him before before you

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Speaker 6: Practice together, Yes, sir, just a step closer to football,

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Speaker 2: Just excited to get to work.

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Speaker 2: Did that work out that your guys had in the

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Speaker 2: How did that come together?

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Speaker 3: Did you reach out to you you reach out to him?

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Speaker 7: You do you plan on doing.

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Speaker 2: Some more with him in the off seasons?

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Speaker 5: Maker like yourself.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they those two special p uh players that

444
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 6: you name have uh, you know, a unique skill set.

445
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 6: I can only you know, uh help as much as

446
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 6: uh they want me to. But uh, you know, once

447
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,440
Speaker 6: they come to me asking for questions, I'm I'm an

448
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 6: open book to 'em. Uh, but I'm not gonna force myself,

449
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 6: uh you.

450
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 2: Know, onto anybody. Yeah, you know, once.

451
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 6: They, you know, make the decision to come and ask

452
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 6: me questions, then I'll try to pour as much knowledge

453
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 6: as I can in to 'em. But you know, they're

454
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 6: great players in their own right, so you know, I'm

455
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 6: gonna be asking them questions as well, and how they

456
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 6: see the game. Uh so just piggybacking off of you

457
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,440
Speaker 6: know what they do and just bouncing ideas off of

458
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,440
Speaker 6: each other. What are the early matchups with Joey Porter

459
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 6: Junior been like out here? Oh it's been good. Gonna

460
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 6: get some good work with him. Uh, good work with

461
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 6: slagh Uh talking ball with Mika. The defense is great.

462
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 6: Uh just going against him after yesterday. Uh, high energy group. Uh,

463
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 6: very communicat. Uh they talk a lot. I told I

464
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 6: was joking with uh Calvin that uh for the first

465
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 6: play out there, I couldn't hear you know, any of

466
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 6: the checks that uh you know Mason or the the

467
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 6: snapcount that Mason was saying, cause the defense was talking

468
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 6: so much. So, I mean it's just refreshing to see, uh,

469
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 6: you know, a defense that communicates, and you know, we're

470
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 6: just trying to model our game after them.

471
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 7: It was one exchange where I think you and joe

472
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 7: you were kind of going and got you got a flat.

473
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 4: I mean he said he was pushing off on me.

474
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: Then you guys talked after. What what was that talk like?

475
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 6: And just as competitives, I mean it's it's just me

476
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 6: telling him that, uh I had a yard of uh

477
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 6: you know, just to handle him up or act like

478
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 6: I was blocking and just you know, showing him a

479
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 6: different look that I he he probably hasn't seen.

480
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 5: Uh.

481
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 6: I know I didn't use that release on him. Uh

482
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 6: when we played him two years ago when they were

483
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 6: you and.

484
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 4: Uh Aaron Rodgers or what parts.

485
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 5: Of your games he played like humplement a sort.

486
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Speaker 4: Of concepts or routes or things.

487
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 5: You think apparently after you guys, you gether.

488
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 2: Uh.

489
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 6: I mean, how how quickly he released the ball and

490
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 6: me getting off the line of scrims fast.

491
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 5: Uh.

492
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Speaker 6: I think it's one one thing that stands out first,

493
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 6: but also his play making ability after a play breaks

494
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 6: down or hit or him to you know, contort his

495
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 6: arm a different way just to get the ball out.

496
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 6: I think he's unique, and uh, I think he's gonna

497
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 6: help not only me, but a lot of uh receivers

498
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 6: and uh tight ends in the offense.

499
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 7: Calvin is kind of like a totally different body type

500
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 7: than you and he you guy be.

501
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 2: Out there together a lot, Yes, sir, yes, sir.

502
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 6: I mean he's a he's a jerry bug out there,

503
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 6: but he's explosive as heck. So uh, you know, just

504
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 6: looking forward to you know, lining up against I'm in

505
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 6: lining up with him, uh you know for the rest

506
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 6: of these uh the last couple of days of camp

507
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 6: and then moving on the training camp and then just

508
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 6: uh starting to work off of each other, uh in

509
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 6: different route concepts and.

510
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: Now you can play put a game. Yet the biggest

511
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: quarterback year you work with you Rustling and air. And

512
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: how do they similarities differences?

513
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, uh, I will say, uh, they're similar with

514
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 6: uh you know, how they approach the game. They're very professional,

515
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 6: UH gonna hold people accountable in the offense, in the

516
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 6: uh as in the team setting.

517
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: UH.

518
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 6: But also they're gonna work the bus offing there out here,

519
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 6: and they're gonna, you know, make you come up to

520
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 6: their level of uh competitiveness out there on the grass.

521
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: So that's what I like about him.

522
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 4: Uh.

523
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 6: I mean then the differences is they're two completely different people,

524
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 6: two completely different quarterbacks, uh, with how they played the

525
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 6: game of UH football. So I think that's the unique

526
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 6: thing about this game is, UH, you got people that

527
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 6: play the same position like me and Calvin or Russ

528
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 6: and Aaron, you know, but they played in their own

529
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 6: unique ways mostly off the field.

530
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 2: But now what have you've learned about Arthur's offense.

531
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 4: What do you think the opportunities.

532
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 6: Would be for you in the Yes, sir, He's unique

533
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 6: and I think he's heavy in uh play pass uh realm.

534
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 6: So you know, me just trying to still learn a

535
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 6: lot of different terminology, you know, in his offense. I'm

536
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 6: still trying to get my feet wet with you know

537
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 6: how he uh you know term term his terminology in

538
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 6: the offense. But me trying to you know, incorporate myself

539
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 6: into it to where you know we're speaking the same

540
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 6: language by the time we hit training camp, to where

541
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 6: you know we both can help each other.

542
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: Uh on and off the field.

543
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 5: What does your reaction do is today?

544
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 4: Then you've ever look forward to us side carry learns

545
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 4: that you mentioned? Uh holdens serve like ten times sends

546
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 4: or time.

547
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 5: Of the pay a little or anything.

548
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 4: I mean, how is your relationship after one day as

549
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 4: a workout before how would how would you decide your Uh?

550
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 6: I think it's uh still a work work in progress,

551
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 6: was still growing. But uh, besides just being teammates, I

552
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 6: think he's a great, great person, uh, you know, off

553
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 6: the field. Uh. And like I said, I think I

554
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 6: can learn a lot from him, you know in life

555
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 6: and uh about the game of football.

556
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 5: Uh.

557
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 6: When I was chilling with a one time, we were

558
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 6: just doing like trivia questions, so we would name a

559
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 6: player and I would have to say, uh, they're at

560
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 6: college or their nickname while they were playing. So uh,

561
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 6: I mean it's just a l uh a fun person

562
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 6: to be around.

563
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 4: Uh.

564
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 6: He's he's gonna test me cerebellye uh in my opinion,

565
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 6: So just looking forward to you know, the continued conversations, uh,

566
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 6: to continued workouts and you know, hopefully we can put

567
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 6: a product on the field that you know can last

568
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 6: a lifetime.

569
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 7: Have you ever changed since you talked to us where

570
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 7: you signed for your George picking getting traded and.

571
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: Kind of how that changed?

572
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, I mean I would have loved to, you know,

573
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 6: play with George Pickens, uh, you know, being here just

574
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 6: to see how he was as a teammate, just to see,

575
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 6: you know what I could learn from him him uh

576
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 6: from me? Uh you know, but you know it was

577
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 6: a decision the team made and you know it was

578
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 6: out of my hands.

579
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 4: Did you ever hear start to him?

580
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: No, sir, what did away about how Zat and Zani fronts.

581
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 4: A wide receiver he's talked about.

582
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 7: He said, Bride, you had coach you want swinde receivers

583
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 7: to kind of be in the same way.

584
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 6: How does the best sight you chalk you? I mean

585
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 6: he he comes in and I think, uh, you know,

586
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 6: he's the the tone center, but we have to carry

587
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 6: that out on the field. So he does a great

588
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 6: job of, you know, holding us accountable out there on

589
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 6: the field. And he's a he's a very uh good

590
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 6: technician at at coaching, and his approach to the game

591
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 6: is a little bit different from uh, you know what

592
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 6: I've uh what I've had in the past. So just

593
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 6: looking forward to that challenge.

594
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: How much did you even bring you some of the

595
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 3: journeys like your own is?

596
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: Why is that secrets you talking about you?

597
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 5: Or why all of the extraself.

598
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: Getting down in the dirty it really helps hell with

599
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: being a guy. And how much did you liked you

600
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: out in your own arm?

601
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 6: I mean, I I I prode myself at blocking, so uh,

602
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 6: it's nothing new new for me to come out here

603
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 6: and and hear that. I think I'm just gonna take

604
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 6: it a step further, uh, you know, with him and

605
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 6: tow the line as much as I can.

606
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: Play. Yesterday, I think there was a in a turnover

607
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: and they start on the other way and it sort of.

608
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 7: Looked like the new back play a little bit. I

609
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 7: mean it's the first day of camp. If didn't is

610
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 7: there ay been in this league a while, you got

611
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 7: a long way to go, but you were right there

612
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 7: on the sort of curious it is that mindsets?

613
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: I guess, is is it a you know there was

614
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: a easy enough on.

615
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 7: The fr I mean literally, we're never happened in the say,

616
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 7: is that just how you carry yourself?

617
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 4: Is that something that you are there? N are there

618
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 4: literally do that you saw for you?

619
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: No?

620
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: I mean that's just football.

621
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 6: Uh. If if you see a turnover, I'm not just

622
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 6: gonna walk and let him, you know, return the ball

623
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 6: like I'm i'm'a.

624
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 2: Go get his ass.

625
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 6: So uh, I mean that just shows the effort that

626
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 6: I have and it shows the care that I have

627
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 6: for the game. And you know, hopefully we have eleven

628
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 6: players out there that have that same mentality. Uh, when

629
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 6: we step out on the field.

630
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 7: Is that if you feel like, you know, as Brian missed,

631
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 7: if the room has changed a little bit since you required,

632
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 7: you're still doing the room, But obviously more for the

633
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 7: most serious guys, the leaguers. You you lead by a

634
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 7: sable guy or are you sort of the like stand.

635
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 6: Up and yo, this is a you know, I'm you know,

636
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 6: I'm not running this group brud on the touch them, yes, sir,

637
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 6: Uh I mean yeah, like you mentioned, I'm new here. Uh,

638
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 6: just trying to get a feel for everybody. Uh, get

639
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 6: a feel for everybody's uh, you know, personality in the room.

640
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 2: Uh.

641
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 6: But yeah, I'm I'm more of a relief by example.

642
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 6: Typically I'm not a big rock rock guy or you know,

643
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 6: walk up and say something to you on the spot.

644
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 6: You know, i'm'a let you you know, do you But

645
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 6: if I see something, uh like not finishing through the

646
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 6: end zone or after a catch or something like that,

647
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 6: then you know, I'll I'll pull you to a side

648
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 6: and you know, say something to you. I'm not gonna

649
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 6: blast you out in front of the team or anything

650
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 6: like that, cause uh, you know, I wouldn't wanna be

651
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 6: treated like that. So that's how I treat other people.

652
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: Do with Jim Boy with j v k.

653
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 4: L cam look like people around a lot of the

654
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 4: shame routes or picking up very or not shit do you.

655
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: Do you feel f s uh familiarity. I feel like this, yes, sir,

656
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: I mean I football is football. At the end of

657
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: the day.

658
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 6: Routes are gonna be the same route, uh, just different terminology.

659
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 6: And tryna see how Arthur teaches it and how you

660
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 6: know it. Uh oc for my pants taught it. Uh

661
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 6: to see if I I s found any similarities in it.

662
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 6: And plus trying to get used to the different quarterbacks

663
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 6: right now with Mason, so trying to get used to

664
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 6: his play style is uh, you know how he calls

665
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 6: the plays in and out of the huddle. So yeah,

666
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 6: it's just a big learning curage from me.

667
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 4: Difference you look at.

668
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 6: It, yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's football events.

669
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: Then that was DK Metcalf speaking yesterday after many can't

670
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: practice number two the Steelers new wide receiver number one.

671
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: And I love some of that attitude, some of that

672
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: mentality stuff that he was talking about at the end.

673
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: There the famous play of him, of course, chasing down

674
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: Buddha Baker after an interception. Guys, I think he's going

675
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: to bring We all know what the skill set is,

676
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: and yet you look at his production throughout his six

677
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: years in the NFL and it's consistently great every single year.

678
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: But I think beyond that, he's going to bring an attitude,

679
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: a tenacity, and nastiness that that wide receiver room hasn't

680
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: had in a long time.

681
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a scary dude for opposing defenses. You know,

682
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 5: you see that size and with that speed and the

683
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 5: physicality that he plays with. And then you know the

684
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 5: other interesting thing about it. And Zachsani, the wide receiver coach, yesterday,

685
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 5: talked about Calvin Austin. He said, look, Calvin's O number

686
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 5: two and.

687
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: That's pretty clear right now.

688
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 5: Right, So if you have those you know, those two

689
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 5: guys on the outside, you're looking at two some for

690
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 5: four guys.

691
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: They have to be one of the fastest pairings.

692
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 5: Without a doubt, without a doubt, then you got a

693
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 5: Roman Wilson to the equation. Roman Wilson a sub for

694
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 5: four guy. You don't think I him that way, but

695
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 5: he is. They got a lot of speed at the

696
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 5: receiver position.

697
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 4: They absolutely do.

698
00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: And I briefly mentioned it the other day that Rogers

699
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: is a very much a stickler, well known for you

700
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: better be at point B at the exact same time

701
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: like I want you to. And Frankly, I was a

702
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: little underwhelmed by the Robert Woods signing, but he's going

703
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: to be worth.

704
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 4: Right do that. He is an He is not the

705
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 4: speed guy.

706
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: Those three you mentioned for sure, but he is going

707
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: to do that. And I think he's just an easy

708
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: guy to forget about. I mean, he's had a lot

709
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: of success in this league.

710
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, he totally has. And yeah, it's it's exciting,

711
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: it's it's fun to look ahead towards here. And I

712
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: think too, just what the Steelers want to be as

713
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: an offense, what they want to be in the run game.

714
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: It's great to have your number one wide receiver be

715
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: the guy who is first in line to put his

716
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: face in the fire, first in line to go out

717
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: there and block and be physical on the parameter because

718
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: when that guy who is doing it, everybody else better

719
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: fall in line and do it as well too.

720
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk a little bit about I'm

721
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: sure people didn't watch Seattle like they watched the Steelers,

722
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: but Seattle's offense last year, I think they were third.

723
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 4: They were near the top of the league.

724
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: In facing two high shells, not because of Smith and Jig,

725
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: but who's became their number one as the season went

726
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: on in terms of targets. But he's an underneath slot guy,

727
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: move the chains, keenan Allen type.

728
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 5: He's why Roman Wilson could be hopefully hopefully Yeah.

729
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: And it's not because a locket at this stage of

730
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: his career. It was because of metcap And I mean

731
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: they saw a ton of two high shells because defensive coordinators.

732
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 4: To Dale's point earlier.

733
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: He's a scary dude, not because he's so big and

734
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 3: strong looking when he watched by and because he can

735
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 3: run right past you. So you're gonna get more two

736
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: high shells, which then means lighter boxes for the run game.

737
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: You know, your quarterback's never gonna turn down one or

738
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: the other. I mean, if boy, if you're gonna give

739
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: me single high against the sky, I'm going over the top.

740
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: Rogers still a great depasser. If you're gonna give a

741
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: lighter box, I'm gonna hand it the back, you know.

742
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: I mean, so those kind of things will have a

743
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: ripple effect too, more so than Pickens in my opinion.

744
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 5: And you can't press.

745
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: That's the thing. He beats up press Cotch.

746
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 5: You just can't do it.

747
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 4: He beats a crowd.

748
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 5: You can't do it. Yeah, and really, teams don't press

749
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 5: Calvin Austin right because he'll run by you.

750
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 4: He'll run by you.

751
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: And he played people forget about this about Austin too,

752
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: Like he is the number two right now. So they're

753
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: out there in two receiver sets and he's outside the

754
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: numbers more than ninety percent of his snaps of college

755
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: or outside the number on the line. That's where he does.

756
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: Just because he's little doesn't mean he's Yeah, it's just

757
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: a slot only type right there. He has a long

758
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: history up and he's a tough guy.

759
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: He's a tough guy, and he got one last.

760
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 5: He took some big hits. Yeah, yeah, but I think

761
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 5: of the one. I think he was down in Baltimore.

762
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 5: They're backed up in their own end zone and he

763
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 5: caught one over the middle and got stuck immediately. Yeah,

764
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 5: and it was a huge play, got right back up

765
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 5: and yeah. For about twenty five years yep.

766
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: Ye.

767
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: So so I wanted to get back to Seattle a

768
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: little bit too. Is Seattle hires the Ravens defensive coordinator

769
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: be their head coaches last year, first time head coach,

770
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: and frankly, he made a coaching hire mistake. He went

771
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 3: to the University of Washington where Pennix and a done's ay,

772
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: and I mean they all kinds of first.

773
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: National champions.

774
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: The three receivers, two tackles, all were drafted high, and

775
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: the quarterback in the first round. And I'm not saying

776
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: he was a bad college coordinator, but they went out

777
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: and hired Washington kept him in the in the Pacific

778
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: Northwest to be Seattle's offensive coordinator.

779
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 4: He lasted one year. They replaced him.

780
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: I mean, and he had a lot of problems as

781
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: a coordinator, which people never think of, but rightfully so.

782
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: I mean, he was a college guy, and people don't

783
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: think about this, but the geometry of the.

784
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: Football are different hashmarks are.

785
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 5: I mean, if my.

786
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: Route concepts are well line up outside the numbers, well,

787
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 3: the spacing's way different.

788
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: Went to the NFL, yeah, because his play calling is

789
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: way different with the hash and it really.

790
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: Showed to Seattle, you know. And they also didn't have

791
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: much of their ow line was really bad. He was

792
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: the first round pick on interior linement. They couldn't protect

793
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: to go deep as much as they would have liked.

794
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: So anyone that thought Metcalf had a down year, maybe

795
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: It wasn't his best statistical year, and he did miss

796
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: a little bit of time with injuries. There were a

797
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 3: lot much like Rogers with the Jets, there were some

798
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 3: really difficult extenuating circumstances there too.

799
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: And with all of that, despite all of that, Matt

800
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: with some injuries, with some difficult circumstances, nine hundred and

801
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: ninety two yards and five touchdowns.

802
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: Still, how many games did he end up playing?

803
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: Twelve or twelve? Okay, yeah, yep, so I mean that's

804
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: he had still fifteen yards on average per reception. Yeah,

805
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: every single year too. What I love seeing last year

806
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 2: a long longest reception of seventy one yards, year before

807
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: seventy three yards, eighty four yards, sixty two yards. This

808
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: is consistently a guy that's given you splash as well too.

809
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 5: You know, we heard when we heard Arthur Smith talk yesterday,

810
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 5: he talked about that explosive factor. I mean, you think

811
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 5: about that Calvin Austin fifteen point two yards per catch

812
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 5: last year. They got explosives.

813
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they absolutely do it.

814
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 2: They and you know his DK metcalf over the last

815
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: handful of years, his yards per target nine point two,

816
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: nine point four, seven point five I mean it's not

817
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: the underneath you know, Jackson Smith and Jigba stuff. It

818
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: is stretching the defenses. It's commanding that that double high attention.

819
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: And I mentioned that it's gonna be great for everybody

820
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 2: else on this offense.

821
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: By the numbers, Rogers was one of the best outside

822
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: the number deep passers in the league last year too.

823
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: Like I'm sure people like that's a Russell Wilson moonballs

824
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. Well, Rogers was better at it, right,

825
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: and he was amongst the very best in the league.

826
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 3: That part of the offense isn't gonna go away, but

827
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: they are going to mix in more intermediate stuff, more

828
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 3: inbreaking routes. Like going back to Metcalf's draft, it was

829
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: a ridiculously good wide receiver.

830
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 6: It was.

831
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 2: He was a second round pick, right, yeah, k Metcalf, Yeah.

832
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: I mean he went way too late. I mean that

833
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: was at Deontae Johnson draft. It was loaded with guys

834
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: like Andy Isabella went ahead at DK ME. That was

835
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 3: my first ever my daughter Philis Beccalf over Andy is Abella.

836
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: But but one of the knocks on him was his

837
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 3: three cone was so bad at the that people didn't

838
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: like him or like.

839
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: Man, he's like he moves like the Titan.

840
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 4: He's like a barge. I mean like yeah, I mean

841
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 4: like he's like trying to turn a battleship. You know.

842
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: But that's not how he plays anymore. I mean, his

843
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: inbreaking stuff is way better. Maybe he had a bad

844
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 3: day at the combine. Maybe he's been working on it

845
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: like crazy, as they always says, you're allowed to get better.

846
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 3: He's become a slant master. You know, if you go

847
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: back and watch like Arthur Smith with the Titans, with

848
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: Henry Brown over the middle, hit him in stride, shrug

849
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: off a little corner, take it to the OUs and

850
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: Brown and metcalf Our teammates at all. I mean, you know, Mississippi.

851
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: I mean, like that's a plan. It's not just gonna

852
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: be run fast outside the nominal.

853
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: Correct correct and there's a there's a vast skill set

854
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: there that you're going to utilize.

855
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 5: There's there's an obvious plan. How they built this. Yeah,

856
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 5: you know it's it's it's not just hey, let's go

857
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 5: get this guy and that see how it works.

858
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: No, he's not a direct replacement for Pickens, and people

859
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: were like they were too redundant together No, they're not.

860
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: Just because they're big and do a lot of their

861
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: good work outside the number, they win differently. And I

862
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: would much rather have metcalf On inbreakers between the numbers

863
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: and things like that than Pickens. Pickens was more of

864
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: a ball winner, high pointing the ball, you know, mossing you,

865
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: that type of thing where metcalf gets his explosives by

866
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: running past you. You know, his ball skills in the

867
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: air and high pointing aren't as good as Pickens, who's

868
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: frankly one of the best one right, But just because

869
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 3: he's big doesn't mean he plucks it at you know,

870
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 3: plucks it off the rim in an elite level.

871
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 4: He still does it, I mean gets a sound. He's

872
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 4: still big, but I mean he doesn't win.

873
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: The same contested catches and the and the body strength.

874
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: It's not a one for one Pickens is gone. You're

875
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 4: gonna do the exact same thing.

876
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: Interview, like you ran a lot of the same routes

877
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: as as Pickens, and he hesitated and said, oh, there's

878
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: only really nine or that there's pick from him, And

879
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: yes we did do some same things, but it's not

880
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 3: a one for one player swap.

881
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: If you hear the music in the background, the noise

882
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: in the background, things are picking up here and a

883
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: little rolling stones to leave us off today. How about that?

884
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: I love it, I dig it. On the final day

885
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: of mini camp down here, Limpathy practice will start about

886
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty minutes from now, the final practice of this

887
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: offseason phase before the Steelers get some time off ahead

888
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: of training camp. We got the quarterbacks all are out

889
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: here already and some other guys matriculating their way out

890
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: onto first out onto the football field.

891
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 4: We don't talk about it, you know what, Maybe let's.

892
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: Do a little bit of that when we return. How

893
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: about that we'll talk a little talk a little Derek Harmon,

894
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: maybe spin the block back to the defensive side of football.

895
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: To close down this hour, West Schuler with the Drive

896
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: guys Dale Wally and Matt Williamson here at the upmc

897
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: rooney Sports Complex on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers

898
00:38:59,200 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: Audio Network.

899
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

900
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

901
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

902
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: Back of the u pmc rooney Sports Complex. For this

903
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 2: special edition of the Drive, West Shooler with Dale Lolly

904
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: and Matt Williamson on our final day of many camp.

905
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: As we are getting and closer little, I mean, is

906
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: it though I exit. I'm excited for this stretch here,

907
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: these next six or seven weeks. Like I always tell people,

908
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: it's like our equivalent of Christmas break. It is it is,

909
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: you know how most people like all of December, most

910
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: people they barely work. They don't know what day it is.

911
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: They're full of cheese all the time.

912
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: That you know, you said we still have to do shows.

913
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: We do nothing that happens to comment on correct this stuff.

914
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: I am with you on that standpoint. From a content perspective,

915
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: it's it's nice in this regard.

916
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 5: There's such a film up there is and now it's over.

917
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: Now it's over. I mean. It's also easy for me

918
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: to say because I'm leaving for the beach in a

919
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: couple of days, so a little little little little bit

920
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: easier to put all this behind us. But we have

921
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: plenty to get too, much Like.

922
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 3: These hard working men on the field in front of us.

923
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: We put in nice date nine days of working there too. Yeah,

924
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: Dale's been battling through stuff.

925
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: Dale been down and been down here in the elements,

926
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: rain and everything like that.

927
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: We deserve a break too. We've been working hard.

928
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: We absolutely do, absolutely do. Listen, fellas, I did not

929
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: work on Christmas Eve, Christmas, the day after Christmas, every

930
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: single day of that week. To feel guilty about taking

931
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: some pime off in June or July. All right, don't

932
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: you put that on me, Ricky Bobby travel And yeah,

933
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: and I'm already looking ahead of the month of September,

934
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: where we'll be taking trips to New York, to Boston

935
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: and to Dublin, all in the course of three four weeks.

936
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: And yeah, you better get some rest, You better get

937
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 2: some downtime in now, because it's gonna happen really quick

938
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: here pretty soon. And one of those guys who we

939
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: will be watching when things start really moving and shaking

940
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: when we get the training camp in a little over

941
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 2: a month here, gentlemen, that first round draft pick, Derek Harmon. Again.

942
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: It's it's funny, Matt, We've spent so much time talking

943
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers in this offense that a lot of things

944
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: that I think would normally be at the forefront of

945
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: conversation have been maybe pushed to the back burner a

946
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: little bit. Derek Harmon feels like the you know, we've

947
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: seen them rebuild this offensive line over the last couple

948
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: of years. Keanu Benton was obviously a piece of that

949
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: on the defensive line, but Derek Harmon in a way

950
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: kind of feels like the the you know, the middle

951
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: of the revamp of the defensive line here as well too,

952
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: like they've done with the offensive unit.

953
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think this plan was put in

954
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: place basically when Omar took over was line of scrimmage.

955
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: And when Andy Whitdel came into the fold as well

956
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: to it.

957
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: I mean, it's an Eagles like fashion line to scrimmage,

958
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: and they've dedicayed a lot of picks to all to

959
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: Big Ben in general in those three drafts and then

960
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: in circle quarterback here, you know.

961
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 4: I mean that's the way. It's not filled overnight. But

962
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 4: you start with the foundation.

963
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 3: You pour the concrete before you put hang the windows,

964
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: and you know, paint the bedroom and all that stuff too.

965
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: And that's the big guys.

966
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: And I think Harmon's a great addition, one of the

967
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I mean, because of the setup here,

968
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 3: they're always.

969
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 4: On field too, and we're far away, so I've really

970
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 4: had a hard time focusing on defense at all, to

971
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: be honest with I don't know who's yeah, yeah, he's

972
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 4: not pass rushing or I mean right, I mean he's

973
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 4: on shedding locks. But I love.

974
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: And we mentioned earlier, you know that he has the

975
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: perfect mentor at that position much like perfected with what

976
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: and et cetera, et cetera. I mean, when Cam's the

977
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 3: leader of the room, what could be better? And with

978
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Speaker 3: Cam and Benton in place and some other guys and

979
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: a lot of depth at that position, and there's so

980
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: many D linemen, they have so many NFL D linemen.

981
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: Yeah that unlike most first round picks in the NFL,

982
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: he's not going to be demanded to be a starter now,

983
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: you know.

984
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 5: Like, but but Carl Dunbar saying earlier this week, that's

985
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 5: the case, that's the case.

986
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 3: Okay, he is number one. Really, I didn't catch that. Okay,

987
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: that's rare for them to get that to doesn't happen often.

988
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: Bouncy got that, and Shazier got that. There haven't been many.

989
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: No, usually they make them earn it into camp and

990
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: you're gonna start, you know, at least number two with

991
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: the second team, And you got yeah, I I I

992
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: think the blend of what they have with him, what

993
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: they have with Bent, and what they have with camp Hayward,

994
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: what they have with some of the guys behind him,

995
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: the Ya Black types, even guys like the Marvin Leal

996
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: as well too, who I think will fact they're into

997
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: this conversation that's gonna be Logan, But he's one of

998
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: those guys too. I think that they like what they

999
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: have in him.

1000
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1001
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 5: I can remember watching Yeah yeah Black at the Combine

1002
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 5: and going that guy's more athletic than I thought.

1003
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, his numbers aren't great, but I don't really care.

1004
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's so big. He's so big. I'm like that,

1005
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 5: it's six six three and thirty five pounds and moving

1006
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 5: like that. Yeah, that shouldn't happen.

1007
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: That's scary. That's scary when that's coming downfield.

1008
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 5: You had two quality not just players, but I think

1009
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 5: quality people as well.

1010
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: Very different styles, but they both big enough to ride

1011
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 4: the ride.

1012
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: Loved them.

1013
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they both length and I mean they both

1014
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 3: had the body types you're looking for, and one, you know, scale.

1015
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 3: When I was watching Harmon at Oregon, I thought his

1016
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: body was a little top heavy, he was a little

1017
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 3: lean for his size in the lower half. But that's

1018
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: one thing I have paid attention to. I think he's

1019
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 3: bulked up his lower half a little more, kind of

1020
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: like his caps look bigger than he did on tape,

1021
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: and he could get a little top heavy at times.

1022
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: And none of these guys are perfect prospect. I mean,

1023
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: these concerns you put in the negative call on or

1024
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 3: you know, can can that change?

1025
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 4: His body?

1026
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 5: To me?

1027
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 4: Looks and really good shape. Yeah, he looks the part

1028
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 4: because he has a weird history. They would know better.

1029
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 3: I mean he dug in with his high school coach

1030
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: and really did a background on Harmon, which I assumes

1031
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 3: that you can find it.

1032
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can find that there.

1033
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: But he was nice, very heavy at one point, right, yes, yes, yeah,

1034
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: you know, up over three hundred and fifty pounds.

1035
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 5: Rebuild his body, yeah, you know, dedicated himself in the

1036
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 5: weight room, and you can see it.

1037
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely can.

1038
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So same church, different pew, same question that I

1039
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 2: asked you about Roder Jones in the preseason. How much

1040
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: would you like to see Derek Harmon in the preseason?

1041
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 4: A lot?

1042
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: Unless he looks great, you know, like yeah, right right,

1043
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: I mean, like you mentioned Roderck Jones. Roder Jones led

1044
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: the Steelers and snaps.

1045
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: But he's played a lot of snaps the last two

1046
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: years too, right.

1047
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 4: I mean he played. They'll they'll play the rookies a

1048
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 4: lot in pre se. Yeah, prove it to me. Get

1049
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 4: in shape, sweated out, catch up to the speed of

1050
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 4: the game. Yeah, you know, so unless he.

1051
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: Gets to the point, which he could where he's over

1052
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: the hur he's over the speed bump, like I've seen enough.

1053
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 4: He's really good right like then.

1054
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: But it just killed him in bubble wrap till we

1055
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: get to the real thing.

1056
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean, okay, he is a starter on

1057
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: opening day. It sounds like unless he loses the job,

1058
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 3: he's still not gonna be a super high steard.

1059
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 5: It's gonna be sure fifty five yeah, sixty chops.

1060
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: Sure, I know that you have to save him right

1061
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: right right now. That that's a that's a very good point.

1062
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 5: Yeah. It's not a corner or DJ Watt his rookie here.

1063
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 4: He's just always out there.

1064
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it'll be a lot of fun.

1065
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 4: Play their first round picks a lot.

1066
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: They do, they absolutely do. And they're they're gonna need

1067
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: They're gonna need him absolutely every bit, every bit of

1068
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 2: contribution that that he will offer.

1069
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 5: I expect to see Caleb Johnson.

1070
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: Expect to see a lot of a lot of Caleb Johnson. Yeah,

1071
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: without a doubt, I'm certainly. I mean, we know we're

1072
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: gonna see a lot of Will Howard. We're gonna see, yeah,

1073
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of.

1074
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 4: How much Warren do you have to play?

1075
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: Right?

1076
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 4: Heah mean he's to that point too. Yeah, it's not

1077
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 4: like he's at the Camp Ayward level, but.

1078
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: Like I would imagine what probably see a lot of

1079
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: Jack Sawyer in preseason.

1080
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Hi, Smith and Wat aren't gonna play a lot,

1081
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 4: you know, right, you can see a lot of the

1082
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 4: Al and louder Milk and those guys too, Lee and

1083
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 4: you know.

1084
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 2: Coming down the home stretch. Here, gentlemen, our final hour

1085
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: of the program, live here from the upmc rooney Sports

1086
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: Complex to wrap up Mini camp, to wrap up this

1087
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: kind of three week of OTA Mini camp on location.

1088
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: Stretch is right around the corner. That final hour we

1089
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: will have for you with practice ongoing in front of it,

1090
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: in front of us, we'll give you some observations. We'll

1091
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: hear a little bit from Steelers quarterback coach Tom Arth

1092
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: as well too, as we get into the final hour

1093
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: of this special edition of the Drive from the upmc

1094
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: rooney Sports Complex, West Shooler with Dale Lolly and Matt

1095
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 2: Williamson on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network