WEBVTT - D.B. Tuber: The Craigslist Bank Robber 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.320 Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:07.160 Elizabeth Dunton. I got a question for you, Yes, do 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.160 you know what's ridiculous? 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:10.040 I most certainly do. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.480 Are you going to share it with me? I guess, 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:13.119 would you please? 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:13.360 Yeah? 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:13.760 I will. 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:16.480 I love this time of year. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.919 I'm a big fan of springtime, spring summertime. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.480 This spring summertime, not like the dog days of second 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.040 later on, but this is the best time. And I'm 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.960 really I just the other day cleaned my grill out 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:27.360 in the back. 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.480 Oh not my teeth, the. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:36.280 Barb exactly, keep it crusty. The barbecue got that goes. 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:37.360 WHI whisk it up right? 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:39.760 It was you know, it was time I took the 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:41.440 cover off of it. It's the season. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:42.599 Yeah, I get ready for it. 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:44.280 And I so I really like that. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.720 I like entertaining and grilling and that kind of stuff. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.360 And you know, there are a lot of like chefs 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.000 that you can follow who do that. It feels like 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.600 it was maybe like fifteen years ago that it was 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.040 all like the tattooed chef guys who were like, I 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:01.160 want to show you how to girl? 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:01.520 Yeah? 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.640 Whatever? Did is it? 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:04.600 Now? Who are the big girls? 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:05.320 I don't know? 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.400 But one that I that always kind of pops up 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:08.279 is Bobby Flay. 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:09.920 Oh God, Bobby Fla. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:11.399 I'm like, not a fan. 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.319 Okay, doesn't people beat him? Is that the whole thing? Yeah, 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.800 You're supposed to see him on the guy beat Bobby 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.960 And I'm like, oh yeah, really yeah? Do you get 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.119 to watch him get whooped at the point of the game. 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:22.800 I have not watched that show. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:27.280 Okay, surprisingly title, So yeah. So Bobby Flay, right, I 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.960 all I know about him is that he was married 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.600 to one of the eighty as on Law and Order. 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.759 Really, I think the blonde which blonde? 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:37.319 The SVU one? 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.840 Okay, yes, yeah, you're talking about Okay. 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.360 I think they were married. And if I'm wrong, don't correct. 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.640 I don't give a whoect anyway, but. 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:47.440 There was something and I should have looked this up 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.040 before I came in here, but something where like when 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.240 they divorced, someone had like a sky like a banner, 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.640 a plane pulling a banner that said something. 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:57.200 I don't care if this is true or not. I 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:57.480 love this. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.240 Yeah, anyway, So Bobby Flay, I don't like him cat 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.600 and I'm not sure why, but I just don't like him. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.600 He has joined forces with pepsi. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:07.120 Damn it. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:11.360 I know it's gonna be about sky riding. Like you 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.200 know what, he found a new love because there was 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:14.440 a new message in the sky. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.200 Okay, so he he was like grabbed Pepsi by the 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:19.280 hand and was like, came here. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:21.919 They have a new grilling product. 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.200 I forgot the grill, of course, but it's actually it's 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:32.280 called Smoked, a grilling inspired cola on Colone. It's a 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:37.320 cologne's eric and it combines quote the unmistakable scent combination 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.240 of pepsi and a flame fired grill. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.000 So it's a grid pepsi a grill. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.560 And so it's like they said, the world's first ever 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:53.080 cola own is designed to reinforce just how well grilling 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:54.079 and pepsi go together. 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.840 They really want to push that cola. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.959 Is in all cats and all if you don't even 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.239 need to fire up the grill to experience the joy 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.560 of pepsi and grilling. You can bask any unapologetically delicious 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.960 scent everywhere you go, says Jenny Danzy, senior director at 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:12.680 Brand Pepsi. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:16.359 They need to apologize to the French for cola and 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.800 oh the stink of that, just the portmanteau of it. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.080 I know, col and then like Bobby Flay, there's a 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:25.680 picture of him all arms crossed like. 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:27.519 Bobby. 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.080 Well, he's the one who came up with this, I guess. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:30.800 I don't know. 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:32.320 I don't know. 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.040 But do you think like they're gonna rebrand this as 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.560 just the burger king smell in a little while? 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.000 Oh my god. Although you know, here's the thing, like 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.200 on East Fourteenth in Oakland, if you drive down East 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.840 Fourteenth as you go through each neighborhood on like a 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.920 Sunday afternoon, each like ethnic neighborhood, you get a different 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.960 barbecue scent, and it's amazing. You just roll the windows down, 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.680 like you go from like the Vietnamese neighborhood to the 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:02.720 you know, South American Mexican. I like that, but I 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.280 don't want to have it on my body anyway. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.960 That's ridiculous. You think Guy Fieri could pull this off? 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.280 I'm sure Cola Owned Can he pull that off? I 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:11.760 think he could. 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:19.320 It'd be like Donkey Owned can just smell like mayonnaise 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:20.479 and tequila. 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:28.120 Well, well, I'll tell you what. That's ridiculous, Elizabeth. I 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:29.839 got one for you, if you got a second, Yes, please. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.880 All right, this guy I'm gonna tell you about today. 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:37.760 He was called the Craigslist bank robbery Right now, for me, 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:42.960 I prefer his other nickname, dB tuber. Wait, yeah, Potato, 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:48.159 Yeah like dB Cooper, but dB tuber like YouTuber. You know, 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.960 like I'll explain later, but just know this, if you're 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:52.279 going to do the crime, make sure you get a 0:04:52.279 --> 0:05:16.320 good nickname. Right, you got it. This is Ridiculous cron 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:21.760 a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers. Heiss and cons. 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.480 It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:31.000 percent ridiculous. Yes, hey, Elizabeth, Hey, what's that you like stories? 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:31.520 Yeah? 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:32.480 Sure, you like dogs. 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:33.960 I love dogs. 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.360 I know you like dogs. I was just dog sitting, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:37.719 are you how'd that play out for you? 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:38.560 Amazing? 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.240 Did the dog? I agree? Like, oh hey that was also. 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:42.120 The dog was like high five. 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:42.640 I love this. 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.279 Yeah, let's do this again next week totally. Well, ever, 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.680 tell you about my time posting pranks on Craigslist. 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.240 In the early days of Craigslist. 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.839 Yeah, like this was like, this is like my dog sitting. 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:55.280 It's like how I entertained myself. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:59.680 I love this and I've got some Craigslist antics too. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:00.839 But keep those. 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.719 Okay, well mine, we're just cheap entertainment. Like I'd post 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.520 an ad in the like services section for the short 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.520 term gig. There was no short term gig, Elizabeth. But 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.440 for example, like in San Diego, I posted an ad 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.479 that I needed someone from the military to beat me 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.640 up so my boss would believe my lie for why 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.719 I was not at work so I wouldn't get fired. 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.520 The post it read and I quote not kinky, looking 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.080 for a man to beat me up for one hundred 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.720 and fifty dollars. It has to be real. Oh my god, 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:30.560 can you guess what kind of reactions I go? 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:30.920 Oh? 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:31.400 No. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.719 One guy emailed me. He said, so I told my 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.680 buddy about this, and he said, we can drive there 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:39.440 from Colorado. We will take the trip. Wait, oh yeah, 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.960 a woman, a woman wrote in I'm not a feminist, 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.800 but I'm a woman. I've had a stupid day and 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.560 could use something like this instead of taking it out 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:52.320 on someone in a bitchy way. Off you up, let's talk. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.320 Wow, I'm not a feminist. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.600 I'd put in the ad that about how I didn't 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.200 think a woman could do it. That's why I'm asking 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:07.000 for a man. And I said look, I'm not a feminist, but. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.279 I was a little callback. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.800 It's like some Andy Kaufman stuff. Oh, totally producing me. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.240 You would have loved it. Another person they wrote in 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.920 my boyfriend's trying to do this, his phones broke, So 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.600 that was the only message I got there picking out 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.480 their boyfriend's beating up but. 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.840 The phones broke. I used to a friend of mine. 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.720 Friends would post like things for sale on Craigslist. I 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:32.240 would like create an email and then ask them questions 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.200 like I was interested in buying it, but like really weird, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.480 like innocent questions, and then they'd get weirder and weirder, 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.520 and then they'd be telling all the friend groups like, 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.680 oh my god, I'm trying to sell this whatever they 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.840 want to know if my couch smells like curry? 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:52.000 That was I liked another one. I also had posts 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.760 on Craigslist at ad in Cambridge, which is where t 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.800 is right, and so I asked for. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.360 People all over the country. 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.240 Oh totally. I was asking people if they were willing 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.840 to become part of an underground experiment, right, And I said, like, 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.560 would you be a subject and let me do gene 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.480 editing on you? So I give you your skin stripes, 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.440 or like, maybe give you a taiale. I've worked out 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.000 both of these with gene editing. Now, some folks they 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.920 were willing to let me try my handed human experiments 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.920 for no pay. I offered no money whatsoever. I just 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.400 offered them the chance to have a tail or stripes. 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.360 Some real life furries. They came at me, Elizabeth, and 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.320 I didn't know they were furries at the time. They 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.240 didn't say they were. But these people, they were like, 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.360 give me the tale, right, Worse. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.240 Than furries, there are the other can ones. 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.960 Oh yeah, come at me, just come at me at 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:35.520 this point. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.280 My favorite though, of all the Craigslist prank listings I did, 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:39.760 had to be when I asked people in LA to 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.560 come over to my house and help give advice to 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:45.080 my sister, who was reluctant to listen. Right now the 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:49.679 ad read quote wanted persuasive person to convince my sister 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.840 she's not a mermaid. And then I explained, because people 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.320 are like, well, so I wrote, help my sister thinks 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.320 she's a mermaid. We've paid for therapists, she says they're fools. 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.000 We've tried bringing in a marine bio. She said he 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.840 was denying her truth. She just spends all day in 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.320 the bathtub while I'm at work, and she makes my 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.800 wife wait on her, bring her food and drinks to 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.640 the bathroom, bring her new candles or incense. She gets 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.840 drunk on wine and sings. She chanties to herself. She 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.840 won't believe no matter how kindly we ask. Right now, 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:20.839 there's more to it. I gave her a whole backstory 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:22.880 about our parents and stuff and how her sister, my 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.000 sister wouldn't forgive me. Then I offered three hundred bucks 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.600 to anyone who could get her, like spatula, her out 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.280 of my bathtub. Now, obviously they have to talk to 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.560 her in the bathtub because that's where she lives. So 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.880 since she's a mermaid now, one woman wrote back to me, Elizabeth, 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:38.760 is this for real? I would love to come and 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.120 give it a try. I am a female unicorn fairy princess, 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:43.800 age thirty four. I think I can do it. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.080 Oh my god, No, of course you get those right. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.520 But a guy wrote to me, Dude, your sister just 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.960 needs to get laid or have a deep conversation. Either way, 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.160 I can be that guy for he let me know, 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:56.200 and I got you. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:10:02.000 Oh, my gosh, everything on this. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.640 There was another guy who wrote, I used to work 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.560 with Alex Jones. If I can handle that, I'm pretty 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.200 sure I can handle your mermaid problem. What Alex Jones person? Yes, 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.000 there was another person, a woman, who told me in 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:16.960 a rather scathing email for three hundred dollars, I will 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.440 convince you that you are a ridiculous storyteller and no 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.160 mermaid should ever be denied simply because you can't tell 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.720 a story that includes mermaids in a positive light. How 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.160 bad ass is it? Your sister is a mermaid. You 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:28.960 would think the tail would be a tell all, but 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.160 just like Bible thumpers, you need more proof because I 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.600 mentioned that she had a tail, but it's like a tail. 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.000 I made it like a costume tale. But anyway, it 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.200 was a long ass. Now I probably should have mentioned, 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.079 as I said that she was always splashing around in 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.720 the bathtub, because that was in the ad, like a 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.600 big part of it. Like she's splashing water and she's 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.960 got her tail. That's the whole point. Anyway. Some joykill 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.520 finally wrote in Elizabeth, what type of sick joke is this? 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.720 To lure people? I'm reporting this post? They thought I 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.160 was like trying to get people in my home. I'm 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:01.640 bizarre story. 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.800 Where they're like, yet, no, seriously, that was that's a 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.960 very predatory, bizarre era in your life. It sounds what 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.080 are you talking about? 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:13.080 I mean like, well, okay, you know the one I 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.040 told you about where the guy said, hey, beat me 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:16.720 up for my boss. 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:17.040 Right. 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.840 One person told me I just saw your ad. I 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.120 just want to let you know that you're saying a 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.200 woman can't kick your ass. This will make me do 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.040 it for real. Ten out of ten, I am a 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:26.920 girl who could beat them out of you. I'll do 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.480 it for seventy five dollars. WHOA. This is what I 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.040 wanted to see as I wanted to see all like 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.400 the negotiations and how people place value on the things 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:39.080 that I arbitrarily created, and how willingly they would be 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.560 engaged in and then they would travel from Colorado like 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.160 I was like, what will people the story they tell 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.280 themselves and then respond to and I'll just get them 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.640 going with some nonsense about a mermaid. Anyway, My point 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.640 is I tell you all this, Elizae, because this week 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.080 I found someone who used that exact same sort of 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.600 humor that I have, but instead of for a joke. 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.040 He did it to rob Bank. Okay, yeah, see this 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.040 dude used Craigslist job offers to pull off a super 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:09.680 wicked heist. Amazing, right, yeah, so I mean, you know me, 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.320 I'm like, hey, Craigslist, this is free entertainment. This guy's like, 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:16.400 hey Craigslist, this is free money and decoys. So Elizabeth, 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.960 they call him dB tuber. Now you ask why dB tuber? 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.000 Is that like a potato dB Cooper, but Genie Cooper. 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.199 But it's also because he's struck in on the Pacific Northwest, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.440 just like dB Cooper. But also he had a wild plan, 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.960 an imaginative escape that he had planned, right, and that 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.880 was that he was going to use an inner tube. Therefore, 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:36.719 dB tuber. 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.800 Oh what an inner tube? Yeah, I'm really excited to 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.760 find out how this all comes together. 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.640 Doesn't involve water, oh it does. 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.160 Okay now these days his bio reads. Anthony Curcio is 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.120 a best selling author and motivational speaker who first gained 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.040 notoriety when he committed an audacious heist back in two 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.000 thousand and eight. Cursio stole four hundred thousand dollars from 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.160 an armored truck and then escaped in an inner tube 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:03.600 Downer River. Yeah that's right, Elizabeth, motivational speaker. This dude 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.600 is my kind of people in so many more ways 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:05.920 than one. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.559 How he has turned this into a motivational speaker career. 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.600 You know how I feel about motivational speakers and more importantly, 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:13.200 life coaching. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.080 Oh yeah, GTF. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.400 Oh yeah, he raided those two to gather through in 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:20.000 some Ted Talk to give it some pizzazz and razzle dazzle. Now. Also, 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.400 he'll probably need to update his bio from doing Ted 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.319 talks to now working on his next memoir from prison 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.559 because this year, the same cat got involved in the 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.120 underground Pokemon scene. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.000 Oh wait, stop, Like yes. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:37.120 I swear to god he was pushing black market Sharrazard cards. Elizabeth, 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.040 I'm not even kidding. This dude dB tuber really got 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.240 involved in the Pokemon Criminal Underground, which totally is a thing. 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.320 There's Pokemon Criminal Underground, got lighting over here with I 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.080 like to imagine there's some dude out there who looks 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.240 like Vin Diesel and he's like part of the Pokemon 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:56.440 criminal underworld. He's telling you a Pokemon trainer is family. Anyway, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.839 we'll get into all this later first, let's talk DV two, 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:00.880 but I want to explain what all that is. We'll 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:05.280 hold the Pokemon questions for later. Yeah, So, Craigslist bank Rubber, Elizabeth, 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.280 I'd like you to meet Anthony J. Curcio. He grew 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.800 up in the town of Monroe in the state of Washington. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:12.839 Tony was a big man on campus. He was a 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.040 star athlete letard in football, basketball, so good in football 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.120 that he was the captain of the team. He was 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.280 that classic, as I said, big man on campus and 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.320 eventually here into scholarship to go play football in college 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.040 at the University of Idaho, which is in Moscow, Idaho, 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.800 if you're curious. And then something happened to Elizabeth that 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:34.600 derailed Anthony Cursio's all American story. Here, let's have Tony 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:35.560 Curcio explain it. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.560 Himself, Tony Curtis. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:40.880 If I could do it, Tony Curtis impresion. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:42.280 Tony Curtis explained this. 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:44.680 I only do an impression of Tony Curtis doing an 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.040 impression of Kerry Grant. That's the something like it hot. Yeah. Anyway, 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.160 so this guy, Tony Curcio, he speaks with the site 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.960 sportsman dot Com, which is a Pacific Northwest side Anyway, 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.400 told the interviewer, quote, well, it is the story of 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.440 a good footballer who has never committed a crime, who thinks, ah, 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.600 screw it, I'm gonna go out and commit a robbery. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.760 It wasn't like that at all. It was definitely a 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:07.240 gradual thing, and just like anything, it started small. I 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.200 was a fast wide receiver and I went to the 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.120 University of Idaho, the same place my dad had played 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.400 the seventies, and things were going great. Then I tore 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.000 a ligament in my knee, and that was pretty devastating. 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.040 This is the common story. Elizabeth star athlete gets injured 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.880 before turning pro, life changes dramatically. Now, I mean that's 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.440 the same plot of Woody Harrelson and Bill Murray's bowling 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.840 movie Kingpin, Right, I mean, boom there it is right there. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:32.240 Time. 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.200 Yeah, we all saw it. We just looked past it exactly. 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.400 So Tony Cursey I was injured leads to an even 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.200 worse downward spirals. Tony Cursey, I told the Sportsman, and 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.000 I quote, my entire identity was wrapped up around sport. 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.720 When I was injured, it was like my self esteem 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.360 went down the drain. The pills made me feel good. 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.920 It was a perfect storm for the addiction to stick. Yeah, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:52.840 that's right. He turned out pain pills. 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:54.440 Yeah, that's what happens. 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.360 It's terrible, totally tried to stay numb to life. But 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.800 he doesn't wholly blame the pills, right or the addiction 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.840 for him becoming a bank rubber. Instead, Cursio, he lays 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.560 the blame at the feet of a more elemental truth, Elizabeth, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.320 about who he is, or has he put it. I 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:12.120 became very materialistic. I had never given it about fancy 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.160 cars or looking cool or needing attention, but now I 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:19.800 needed validation from other people constantly because I was so miserable. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.000 So I started to go out and party. I wanted 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.920 people to like me. I just became a real douchebag. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.720 That's the best way to describe it. So big man 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.480 on campus wants to reclaim glory, becomes bank rubber. Is 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.920 essentially the story he thinks he is no anyway, So 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:39.720 that's his Craigslist bank robber backstory. As I said, real douchebag. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:41.560 Just keep that in mind. Now that we've met our 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.560 man of the hour, let's take a little break, Elizabeth, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.560 and after these extra juicy ads. I got queued up 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.040 for you. I'll tell you how this bank robbery plan 0:16:49.280 --> 0:17:12.880 plays out. Hey, Elizabeth Sarah, he diaging the Tony Cursio show. 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:15.840 I know you love a story of a big man 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:20.440 on campus. Yeah you also water sports. 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.119 These are all your interests, all the good stuff. 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.080 So after Tony Curcio left college, he came back home 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:27.800 to small town Minroe, Washington. 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:28.160 Right. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.360 It's like a basically a suburb of Seattle, but it's 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.000 not really a suburb. It's more like just a town 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.800 outside of Seattle. Right. So Tony he gets back on 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.680 his all American program as best he can. So he 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.919 marries his high school sweetheart, They have a family. He 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.879 finds work and success as a real estate agent. Boom. 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:46.840 Right, it sounds like a good fit for him if 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:48.880 he's you know yeah. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.200 Yeah, and people know him like and he's got name 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:57.200 recognition in Monroe. So anyway, remember, as he said, he'd 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.640 become a douchebag or materialistic to put it or politely, 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.680 So he starts chasing after monetary success. This is all 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.560 to dull his sense of the lost promise of his life. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.200 So and also he's popping pills and drinking. One day, 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.040 his wife, you know, she tells him she's pregnant again, right, 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.160 and the new baby's on the way. Tony curcioh he's 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.720 feeling a little overextended because he's a real ortor and 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.359 this is two thousand and eight and he needs more money. 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.600 So he decides to take the advice of your man 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.800 Willie Sutton. He went down to the bank because that's 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.360 where the money is. Exactly like will he suddenly planned 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.000 to rob it, or rather, he planned to rob the 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.520 armored truck that would deliver the money to the bank. 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.040 Why go inside if you don't have to exactly real 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.200 smart guy, you know, just a clearcut thinker. 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:37.760 Efficient. 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.360 So he picks a bank in his hometown of Monroe's 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.119 right in the bank. Everybody knows exactly the Bank of 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.080 America on Old Owen Road if you're from Monroe. Now 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.080 the sportsman, they asked him why he chose to rob 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.680 an armored car or truck or whatever, and Cursey I 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.960 recalled how quote I was coaching a junior high football 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.600 team in the town about forty minutes from where I lived. 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.720 So one of those days where I went to get something, 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.520 I was sitting there and I watched the Brinks truck 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.000 pull into the bank. That was it light bulb moment. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:07.800 The seed had been planted. 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.359 So now he's now he got a junior high school 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.600 football pitch eating the whopper in his car in a 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.080 parking lot season. 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.359 Okay, yes, I'm painting a picture. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.000 I'm doing my own picture. And he goes, that's my 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.919 answer right there, everything inside that car. All have to 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.000 do is get it out and put it in my pocket. 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.879 So he you know, as I said, he'd fallen on 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.640 hard times when he wasn't being a real estate agent 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:34.280 because that pretty much fizzles out in two thousand and 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.600 eight because of the basically the financial meltdown, particularly in 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:38.800 the real estate industry. 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:40.119 He's underwaters. 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:42.919 He's underwater or try over his head with like you know, 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.320 bank loans and so forth on houses he's been trying 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:45.840 to leverage. 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.680 He's just like, no one's selling Oh. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.159 No one's selling houses. Yeah, definitely. So he starts working 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:56.439 for his parents landscaping company. So he's doing that in 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.640 the in the coaching right. So now he starts using 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.240 the land gate company as cover. So while he cases 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:07.199 the bank, he just right bracket forth. You gotta see this, 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:08.840 Like I went and I looked at the Bank of America. 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.280 I did it your way. I Google drove around it. 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:15.760 There's very little landscaping to be done that way. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:17.359 He's on the sidewalk, and. 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.560 It's ridiculous, like he would just need like a blower. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:25.119 Fifteen minutes, you're done anyway. So that's his gig and 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.000 he's just doing it real slow. So we can case 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.160 the bank and find out what happens on a Tuesday 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.640 when the truck comes along, picks up the money from 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:35.080 the weekend, and then boom boom, boom boom. The security 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.480 guards they pay no attention to him because he's a landscaper, 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:39.520 so it's like we see him here all the time. Boom. 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.919 He's able though, to clock them, so he starts figuring 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:43.800 out what the security guards are doing, what the armored 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.719 car drivers are doing, gets the whole routine down. As 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.000 he put it, I watched it every Tuesday for a 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:50.840 month and a half, and there was a ton of 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.400 planning and logistics. Sure there was coach. 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:54.120 Now. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.600 Once he had the armored truck delivery scheduled down, he 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.720 starts working on his disguise because he's everybody knows who 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:02.040 he is. He's in Monroe, so and he also needs 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.280 to get away because once again he's in Monroe. So 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.800 he decides, you know, because we always talk about this, Elizabeth, 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:10.040 the robbery isn't done until you get away with it, 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:12.200 exactly right. He figures that out. He's like, okay, I 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:17.160 gotta work on that first. So his first plan jet ski. Yeah, 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.960 he's like, look, there's a creek right by the bank, creak, 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:21.480 and I'm going to put a jet ski in the 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:25.320 creek and then just zoom away. It's a creek, Elizabeth, 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:28.040 it's a it's a creek. Yeah, it's it's everything you're 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:32.879 picturing jets. So he goes out. He dredges the bottom 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.560 of the creek for weeks and he figures out he 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:37.600 tries to make it deeper because it's a creek. It's 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:38.880 not going to take the jets. 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.040 He's got like equipment, I suppose with his. 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.439 He's got landscaping equipment. So he goes down there and 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:47.840 he's doing it and he cannot get it deep enough 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.359 to run a jet ski. So yeah, he's like, okay, 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:51.879 I'm going to need a new plant. So he switches 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.159 so much time, new plan inner tube. 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.760 So it's the fastest way to get down. 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.159 He's the best way. So he's like, you know what, 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.120 I may need a little help, So he strings some 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.960 cables along the side through the tree. So now he 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:11.320 kind of pulled himself along. Okay, right, that's not bad thinking. 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.359 So lastly, he had to make a plan for himself about, 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.040 you know, how to deal with the armored car security, 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:20.560 because he didn't want to use a gun, so since 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.399 that would change the nature of his robbery. So Tony Curcio, 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:25.600 he's just focused on the money bags and how to 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.159 convince an armored guard to drop the money bags. And 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:30.720 it would be key since he's not armed. He doesn't 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:32.480 want to hurt him, do want to punch him. He's 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.440 like dress as a ghost, yeah, boom, you know. 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:37.560 And then you run to your inner tube in the 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:40.240 brackish waters and then he float on down. 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:44.119 What Tony's plan was, and I quote the big problem 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:45.719 for me, he was getting the guard to let go 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.960 of the bags. A gun wouldn't have been sufficient because firstly, 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.360 I'm not a gun guy. I don't want to shoot anybody. 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:53.840 But secondly, I pull a gun. He pulls his and 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:56.760 although his hand comes off the bag. It's an immediate stalemate. 0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.200 So became a question of how to get his hands 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:02.399 off the bag, plus make sure he doesn't pursue me 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:07.200 and ideally not even see me. And that's yeah, well 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.800 his answer. Yeah, that's where pepper spray became a win 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:20.159 win situation maker exactly. It's non lethal and the perfect 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.720 way to get his hands off and up onto his 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.359 eyes because no matter what, no matter how hard, people 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.160 try hit him with pepper spray, and they're going to 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:32.040 touch their eyes. Interesting, He's not wrong. It's a biological response. 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:33.520 This. 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:35.400 Now, as far as the arm guards and the question 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.600 of if they choose to shoot at him, Tony said 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:39.720 he had a plan for that too. The old fashioned 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:43.919 element of surprise, Elizabeth. Yes, if there's one thing I 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:47.880 learned from football, it's the element of surprise. Yes, people 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:50.120 always say football is the element of surprise. 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.840 It's like warfare, the core notion of it. 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:55.880 And He's like, as a wide receiver, I always knew 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:57.880 where I was going and what I was doing, which 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.080 gave me a huge advantage over the defensive. That was 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:03.399 my thing on the day. I had the advantage because 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:06.359 I knew where I was going Granted he had a 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.000 gun and I did not, but that still doesn't take 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:11.760 away how valuable that element of surprise can be. 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:16.000 What was the surprise in being a player who knows 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:16.960 exactly where he's. 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:19.679 The defensive back doesn't know his rout he's gonna ring. 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.520 So he's like, I'm totally surprised, man, this is just 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:24.720 blowing me away. All the defensive backs like, I just 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:26.479 watch your belt buckle and it tells me where your 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.480 body's gonna go. Anyway, his plan is he'll surprise the 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:32.240 arm guards, pepper spray them, grab money bags, make a 0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:34.760 run for it, element of surprise down to his waiting 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:37.680 inflatable inner tube, and then escape down the creek. Whole 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:41.360 proof plan Elizabeth in his hometown. Now he's also created 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.760 tearaway clothing for his disguise, because remember a hometown. So 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:48.560 he secreted a bright yellow getaway inner tube, and then 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.359 he did a few dry runs because he wanted to practice. 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:53.560 He use a bright yellow inner tube. 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:57.800 I do not know, but so to practice ditching his 0:24:57.920 --> 0:24:59.920 disguise and timing how long it would take to get 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:01.439 you would get away Interer two. But he's doing the 0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:05.399 dry runs, you know. Lastly, he puts the final little 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.879 piece of his plan into action. He posts an ad 0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:14.080 on Craigslist. Yes, the ad was for short term work 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:17.440 as a landscaper. It offered twenty eight fifty per hour, 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:19.680 which in two thousand and eight that's great pay, especially 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.159 for landscaping. Right there, you're like, oh, totally, But in 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:23.800 two thousand and eight, trust me, I was in construction. 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.639 That'd be like, I will be there on Tuesday. What time? Yeah, 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:28.879 So enough of that it would guarantee plenty of folks 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:30.760 like me to come. That's my point right now. So 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.080 potential employees were told to show up at the Bank 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:36.160 of America on Old Owen Road at a set time, 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.399 and to show up dressed for work. Right, So the 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.560 ad listed what these prospective employees should be wearing. So 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.040 now all is set, and then comes the fateful day 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.480 September thirtieth, two thousand and eight. It was, of course, 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.399 as I said, a Tuesday, because that's the day he's 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.520 watching every time. It's Tuesdays at around eleven am. Strangers 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.120 being able to show up at the Bank of America 0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:57.600 wearing yellow safety vests, safety goggles, a blue shirt, and 0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:00.760 a respirator mask. They all are wearing exact the same thing. 0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:03.840 Among them is Tony Curcio, wearing the exact same thing, 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:06.240 only he's also wearing a wig, and all of his 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:08.560 outfit is tear away clothing with velcrow inside. 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.840 Right, Okay, first of all, wigs, thank you. 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:13.120 Yes, I needed that. You need the wig? I figured. 0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.920 So when people arrive, he's already working, so and he's 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:19.160 always pretending to work, and he's spraying weeds outside the bank, 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.560 and his plan's working perfectly. People keep showing up, they 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:24.640 keep billing about more and more people. As he put it, though, 0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:27.760 he gets a little annoyed by the people. I'll let 0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.800 him toe it. They were very annoying when they got there. 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:32.680 I was already pretending to be working. So here's a 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.720 bunch of guys dressed like me, waiting for a supervisor 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.440 that hasn't showed up, and they want to know what's happening, 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:40.639 and they naturally assume I must know what's going on 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.480 because I'm working away. So these two guys start following 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:46.639 me everywhere, actually running after me. I had to go 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.280 around a corner real quick and ditch the disguise. And 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.720 this is before the money is even turned up by 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:53.720 the time it shows up. I'm up in these bushes 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.520 behind a grocery store putting my outfit back on. It 0:26:56.600 --> 0:27:01.600 was crazy. I don't know, Elizabeth. Together you would think 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.000 that they were going to come up to you and 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:03.960 ask what's going on? 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:05.399 Do you think would happen? 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:06.920 I do know. I think you just wanted it all 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.159 to work seamlessly, like they all showed up at the 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:12.200 exact same moment, like within like thirty seconds of each other. 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:14.760 But even then, they're not just gonna stand there like 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:19.000 you know video game characters are gonna have to do something. 0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:20.439 They're gonna know about and wonder who's paying me this? 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.000 Twenty eight do I talk to? 0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:24.880 Oh man, there's all these other dudes. I got here. 0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.159 Exactly there you go? You see Where'm But Elizabeth, what 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:29.800 why do we talk about this? Why not? You know? 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:31.840 We've gotten to the crucial moment, Elizabeth. I'd like you 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:35.879 to close your eyes. I'd like you to picture, Elizabeth. 0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.920 You are in the small town of Monroe, Washington, located 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.720 there in the foothills of the Cascade Mountain Range, at 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:46.160 the confluence of three rivers, the Skykomish, the snow Homish, 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:50.240 and the Snow qualamy. In fact, the snow Quality Falls 0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:52.679 is the famous waterfall that features in Twin Peaks, if 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.720 you're familiar with that anyway. At the moment, you're in Monroe, Washington, 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:58.440 looking to find work, and it isn't easy because it's 0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:01.720 two thousand and eight. That whole globalomy crushing financial crisis 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.560 is bedeviling you. Two today, as I said, Tuesday, September thirtieth, 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:07.480 two thousand and eight, and you, Elizabeth, are pulling into 0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:09.879 a Bank of America parking lot. You pull up in 0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:13.040 a borrowed car at nineteen seventy seven Ford Ltd. That 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.119 rattles and runs a bit rough. It backfires, and you 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.159 pull into the parking lot. You find a spot, as 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:20.880 you also spy a gathering crowd in the parking lot. 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.960 A dozen strangers are wearing the exact same outfit that 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.200 you brought with you to this temp gate and they're 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.399 all standing in the parking lot outside of the exact 0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:30.879 same Bank of America. Once you park, you put on 0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:34.119 your bright yellow safety vest, your safety goggles, and your 0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.640 respirator mask. You turn off the radio and shut off 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.200 the car. Its sputters and dies. You really hope it 0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.400 will start again. When you're ready to leave. Then you 0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:43.840 get out closed the heavy door, dressed in your matching 0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.880 bright yellow safety vests, safety goggles, and respirator mask. You 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.360 walk over to where others are knowing about some guy 0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:52.640 introduced themselves Mike, and he's hoping that you're in charge. 0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:54.760 And she says, I came across the ad that was 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:57.080 for a prevailing wage job for twenty eight to fifty 0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:58.840 an hour? Can you believe it? And that's all he 0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.479 pretty much knows about anything. It's all you know. He seems. 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.120 Whoever is in charge, whoever is doing the paying and employing, 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:06.720 has yet to arrive. As you look around for someone 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.200 acting like a boss, you see an armored car arrived. 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:11.200 You don't know it, but it's right on schedules. Just 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:14.600 s's Tuesday. You wait a little more, nothing's happening. No 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.480 boss arrives. Now, being curious as you are, you note 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.000 that one of the landscapers is walking over towards the 0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.440 security guard as they walk out of the bank with 0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:24.920 the money bags that they are there to pick up. 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.640 The landscaper walks right up to the armored car guard. 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.320 He's pushing a hand cart loaded with heavy money bags. 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.040 The landscaper acts like he knows him. Then he whips 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:35.200 up his hand to ie leve him. He sprays something 0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:38.200 in the guard's face. You guess it's pepper spray based 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:41.160 on the guards hanged the action. He cries out and 0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:44.280 grabs at his eyes. Doing so, he drops the money 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:47.720 bag cart. The landscaper scoops up two money bags and 0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:50.240 runs across the parking lot like a running back or 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.480 merging from the line and breaking away from a long 0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:57.600 end zone run. He could go, oh the way you 0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.000 watch a landscapers. He runs across the two lane roads. 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.560 He stops a moment, rimps off his yellow safety vest, 0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:06.160 his respirator mask, his safety goggles and the wig all gone. 0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.120 He runs across a gravelly parking lot between a pair 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:12.360 of small local businesses. You can still see the landscaper. 0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:14.680 He stumbles as he crosses the grass. He drops one 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:16.880 of the money bags. He doesn't look back, He just 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:19.760 keeps going with the money bag. He runs along Steven's 0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:23.120 Pass Highway, headed for Woods Creek. Then he disappears into 0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:25.840 the woods down by the creek. Gone, Elizabeth. It doesn't 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:28.240 take you long to put it all together. You were 0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:30.600 just conned into being a decoy for a bank robber. 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:34.000 You turn to the guy next to you, Mike, not Mike, 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.520 Oh sorry, and you say great, looks like we're not 0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.240 getting paid, are we? And you also hope you're nineteen 0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:42.200 seventy seven, Ford Ltd Starts back up now that you 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:44.680 have no reason to stay. But you're not going anywhere, Elizabeth, 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:46.400 because you just realize you're a night witness to a 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.800 bank robbery. The cops are gonna have questions. 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.320 Oh my god, he dropped one of the bags. 0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:55.200 Oh yeah, so Elizabeth, you just watched all this go down. Yeah, 0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.240 Tony Curciel's plan executed, gets away with his robbery, or 0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:01.080 you know, at least one of the bags. And can 0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.000 you guess how much cash was inside the bag? To 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:04.680 one bag? 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:05.400 One bag? 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:07.920 Four hundred thousand dollars? 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:08.200 What? 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.520 Yep? What grays is a very interesting question we did 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:14.880 for me. How much does four hundred thousand dollars in cash? Way? 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:19.320 But okay, aside from that four hundred what are they 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.880 doing with four hundred thousand dollars at this bank? 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:23.680 There was way more than that. 0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:25.720 Generally don't move that much cash. 0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:29.760 Oh yeah. Turned out that there was this like fair 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.200 in in the area at the time. The fair generated 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:36.320 all this extra money and he knew that it would be. 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.360 And then it's also basically right during the you know, September, 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.240 so people are all coming doing back to school stuff, 0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:44.160 all the big shopping in September. So there's a lot 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:44.800 of loose money. 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.400 Wow, that's a that's a ton. 0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:51.680 But mostly it's the state carnival that is in there. Yeah, 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.040 So how much does four hundred thousand. 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:56.600 Dollars wagh nine million pounds? 0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:58.720 If it was in one dollar bills, it would weigh 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:02.760 eight hundred and eighty one pounds. In twenty dollars bills, though, 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:04.360 it would only weigh forty four pounds. 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.959 And this was in one bag and there were multiple bags. 0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:13.000 Well, he only carried two. Yeah, he dropped in one. Yeah, Okay, 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.080 he got lucky because the one that he had had 0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:17.080 the fourhundred thousand dollars in it. So one hundred and 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.440 eighty thousand of it was in one hundred dollars bills. 0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:22.160 Can you guess how much one hundred eighty thousand dollars 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:23.080 one hundred dollars bills? 0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:24.360 Right, hundred thousands. 0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:27.560 I'll just tell you four pounds, four pounds. It least 0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.160 four pounds. Yeah, okay, good, good, great answer. How'd you 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:30.520 know that? 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:31.120 I don't know. 0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:34.120 So that's that's nothing. We can run at four pounds, right, 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:36.960 That's exactly what Tony Curcio said to the sportsman. He said, 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.160 one hundred and eighty thousand and one hundred dollar bills, that 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:40.720 was no problem. I could run with that like a 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.840 football all day. But the remainder, the other two hundred 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.320 and twenty thousand, that was in twenty dollar bills. Now, 0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.400 can you guess how much two hundred and twenty thousand 0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:50.720 dollars in twenty dollars bills weighs? Elizabeth, come on. 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.600 Big Winter, Big winner, million pounds. 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:56.160 Very close. Twenty four pounds. Okay, yeah, that may not 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.360 sound like much, but it's an awkward, sloppy twenty four pounds. 0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:01.920 So Cursio said, that was a problem. That was a 0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:03.720 lot of weight, but the adrenaline helped. 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.520 It's like you get a twenty something pound bag of 0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:07.320 dog food. 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.960 Yeah, really, it's wrestling. Yeah, it's not easy. 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:13.160 So going into the robbery, two of them thirteen pound 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:14.560 bag to that. 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:16.920 Way, he had no idea how much the money would 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.320 he expected the money bags right, and as I said, 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.360 he just knew there's a carnival in town. He expected 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.680 about three hundred and thirty thousand dollars way over because 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:27.480 one bag's got four hundred thousand. He's stoked, right, Yeah. 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:29.800 He manages to run down to the creek line. There 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:34.080 he finds his waiting yellow innertube. You asked earlier. This 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:35.800 is the waiting yellow innertube. 0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:37.640 Oh my gosh, it's like a kid. 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:42.520 Yeah, like no bright yellow kids intertube. Look at that 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:44.400 bad boy. Could he be any brighter? 0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.200 He should have been on one of those swans. 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.640 That would be amazing. So he hopped on this. It's 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.520 also wrapped in canvas a little bit on the bottom. Anyway, 0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:54.960 pulls himself up the creek. It is. He doesn't go 0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.840 down the creek. He goes weight up the creek. Yeah, 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:00.360 using a cable and pulley system that he'd rigged in 0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:04.240 the trees. He goes two hundred yards upstream. There he 0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:07.080 rips off his tear away disguise, climbs out of the water, 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:11.160 crawls into the trunk of a waiting getaway car disappeared 0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:12.360 driven away by an association. 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:12.920 Oh. 0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:16.719 The cops respond quickly. They're honest small town to go upstream, yeah, 0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.880 everyone would think exactly. So the cops respond quickly, not 0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:23.200 quickly enough, Elizabeth. When they arrive, you're still standing there 0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:25.879 with a dozen other people. That's all they have would 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.839 be landscape, and they all say, yeah, that guy ran 0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:30.560 off that a way, and they'd go down to the 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:32.680 creek and they think, what you think they go downstream? 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:33.280 Yeah. 0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.879 Anyway, the localman rope d quickly determined why there are 0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.640 so many would be landscapers because they heard about the 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.560 Craigslist ad. They go, Okay, they do the math. These 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.160 people are decoys, and the detectives realize this is our 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:47.200 only lead to go on, is this Craigslist ad. So 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:48.920 then got to call Craigslist and see if they can 0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:50.200 find out who posted the ad. 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:51.480 Well, hello Craig. 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:57.000 Meanwhile, Tony Curcio, he's at a you know, celebrating his 0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:00.239 score because he'd done it. But the cops, they do 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.840 eventually discover the tear away disguise, the dust mask and 0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:05.239 wig that the purp had worn. 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:06.399 Oh DNA part. 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.359 So now they've got a DNA party exactly popping off. 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:12.400 So if the purpose in the system he or his 0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:15.080 family ever used twenty three and meters. He's gonna get 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:16.040 caught well. 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.320 And then this is a federal thing though, because. 0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:20.920 It's exactly I was gonna come in. 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.520 Local PD doesn't have to handle all that stuff. 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:25.839 So let's take a little break, Elizabeth, and we get back. 0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:28.120 We will find out if and how they catch him. 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:52.480 Oh oh yeah, and also pokemon, Elizabeth. He ready for 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:56.200 some more. So my man, Tony Curcio, he's gotten away 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.799 with it. He's gone upstream instead of downstream. He's got 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:02.360 decoys instead of actually going in with like accomplices. The 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:04.160 guy's kind of brilliant in a lot of ways. 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:05.920 Well, he did have the accomplished driving. 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.640 He did have the accomplaice to drive him, so he did. Yes, 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:09.719 we know about that. 0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:11.040 So we did it, Joe. 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:13.480 Now that he's done it, and he takes his four 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:15.880 hundred thousand dollars two hundred and twenty and twenties and 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.120 one hundred and eighty one hundred dollars bills, what do 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:18.960 you think he's going to go. 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.440 Off and do I don't know, by a better n 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:21.759 or two? 0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:25.520 He bought a range Rover SUV. What yeah, okay, remember 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:27.719 materialistic douchebag, he said it himself. 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:29.880 How did did he go in with cash? 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:33.440 I'm assuming so then he also suspicious. He invited some 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.359 friends and his mistress to join him on a trip 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.000 to Las Vegas to go blow his payday, like want 0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:41.319 to be high rollers? Wait mistress, Oh yeah, he's got 0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:43.359 a mistress. Yeah, I just saw that in a couple 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:46.320 of news stories. They're just like, oh yeah, and his mistress. Anyway, 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:49.000 So back in Monrow, the FBI arrives in town and 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:51.440 they want to investigate the robbery. All they have to 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.759 go on is this physical evidence. Right, So they go 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:56.520 and they collect the DNA, they run it, they test it. 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.440 The purpose not in the system. Damn it, there's no 0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.359 good but they hang on to it. Becau it's still 0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:01.840 good evidence. 0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:02.120 Right. 0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:06.280 And then Tony Curcio though he's made one mistake, one mistake, 0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:10.520 Elizabeth that the FBI and eventually, well his doom will 0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.800 be all come together because this guy, what do you 0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:13.799 think the one mistake was? 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:15.880 Umm, the driver. 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:18.400 It's a good one. It's a really good one. No, 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.560 he pretended that a homeless person or an unhoused person 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.879 wasn't a person, and it wasn't somebody sitting right there 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.040 watching what he was doing. He allowed her to be 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:30.279 a witness he was doing collect watching him do his 0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:34.960 dry runs, watching him practice, watched him rip off his 0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:37.080 wig and stuff, and then he had done that before 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:38.920 right in his dry run. Well, guess who went over 0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:42.320 and collected a free wig and a free stuff. This 0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.560 unhouse person and that guy is going to bring down 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:49.359 Tony Curcy carefully executed plan right because as I said, 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:53.560 during one of the dry runs, he tears away his clothing, 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:55.680 his wig, leaves it all there. The unhask guy he 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:57.520 keeps it and then he goes and he contacts the 0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:00.640 City of Monroe employee about this odd behavior he had seen. 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:02.840 Look at this good citizen right. 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:05.319 And then three weeks later, that same bank that he'd been, like, 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:09.480 you know, sitting near watching this occur gets hit, gets 0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:12.040 robbed by a man wearing a mask, a dust mask 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.839 and in a wig. So this same man comes forward again. 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.360 Now this concerned citizen becomes a good samaritan and he 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.880 tells the cops what all he's seen, what all's he's collected. 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.200 But not only that, this guy turns over and I 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:26.120 swear to God, this is amazing. A black two way radio, 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:29.239 a yellow safety vest, a black wig with a short ponytail, 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.920 dark sunglasses, a large can of mace, and a baseball 0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:33.720 cap another DNA party. 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:34.520 Wow. 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:38.160 Right, So also there's another thing he's got. He wrote 0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:40.840 down the license plate of the car because of the 0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.319 odd behavior of the man who just kept doing these 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:47.000 dry run So he hands over the license plate number 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:48.400 to the cops. He's like, here you go, and the 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.200 license plate the cops they run it real quick. The 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:53.120 license plate belongs to Tony Curcio's wife. He took his 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:57.240 wife's car. What ach Now they have a suspect. FBI 0:38:57.280 --> 0:38:59.960 agents get to work. They start to surveil Tony Curcio. 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.839 Investigators grab a bottle that he was drinking from when 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:05.480 he pulls into some gas station. They run the DNA 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.279 on that. It matches the folks that they'd like the 0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:11.120 Washington State crime Lab. Right. They test it and it 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.520 matches the DNA from the recovered items from the bank 0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:16.839 job and from the dry run. Boom, Tony Curcio has 0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.759 now been made. He's out driving around in his new 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.359 range Rover, shopping with a friend in an outlet mall. 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:25.160 The same buddy who was the getaway driver and the 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.760 FBI rolls up with the local Monroe PD and arrest 0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:30.439 Tony Curcio at the outlet mall. 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.920 Why is it so hilarious to me that isn't an 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:33.680 outlet mall? 0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:39.160 Yeah right, yeah, so materialistic and on a deal. So boom, 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.320 Just like that, Elizabeth, perfectly planned executed robbery goes bust 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.880 because he ignored one man, Yeah, human, one man who 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:46.600 is down on his luck. 0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:49.120 Yeah, it doesn't even realize he's there. Yeah, I love it. 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.120 Further proof, Elizabeth, as you often indicate, you ignore another 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.600 person's humanity at your own peril. So, years after he 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:58.760 got busted by that on house good samaritan, Tony Curcio 0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:01.240 looked back and he said, it was a huge surprise. 0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:04.040 I was so shocked. I just never saw it coming. 0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.920 After the robbery, everything went to plan. The money moved 0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:10.600 exactly as it was supposed to, funneled and cleaned through 0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:13.399 two small businesses in the area. But the person who 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.120 laundered the money became an informant, and that was another 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.279 nail in the coffin. You know, the only person who 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:21.080 stayed quiet, had no reason to stay quiet, was my wife. 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:22.799 She said to the police, do you think I'm going 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:24.760 to assist you put the father and my kids away. 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:28.960 He needs help, not jail, So she's right, but she 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:32.200 needs Yeah, And anyway, he got jail, so he was. 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:34.920 He was arrested on charges of robbery first degree. He 0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.680 was released on bail. Tony. Then while he's out on bail, 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:40.839 he goes and tries to contact witnesses and gets sent 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:43.840 back to jail for engaging in witness tampera. Yeah. So 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.200 finally May fifth, two thousand and nine, he pleads guilty 0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:49.040 and he sentenced to seventy two months in prison three 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:50.880 more years of supervised release. 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:51.359 Yeah. 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:53.399 Right, And as I told you up top, though, we're 0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:56.320 far from over from Tony Curcio because out once he 0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:59.719 comes out of prison, remakes and rebrands himself. Then he 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:03.800 gets busy in that underground Pokemon scene. Connect. 0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:05.120 I don't even know. 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:06.759 You ready to hear about the recovery and the the 0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:10.840 it's like rise in second Fall of Tony Curcio. So, Elizabeth, 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.200 after he gets out of jail, Tony Curcio published a book, 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.680 of course, because you know, as we constantly cover, there's 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.959 no better writing retreat than prison exactly. So he wrote 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:21.719 a book for children about what to think and feel 0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:24.279 when daddy is in jail. Yeah, I think it's a 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.680 meaningful book. I mean he had talent. He was doing 0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:28.359 pictures for the other inmates to give to their kids 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:29.839 when they come to visit. It means like I got 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:31.640 a talent for this. Then he started writing a book 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:33.640 about what it means when daddy's in jail. It's a 0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:40.239 necessary yeah, totally so. And he parlayed the same book. Yeah, oh, 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.080 I know exactly. It's a very common book, but I 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.560 mean it can hurt if you can reap into a 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.200 different group whatever. Exactly, It's a story that needs to 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:49.960 be told. It's true anyway. He parlays that book into 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:52.600 a redemption narrative that eventually sees him land on like 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:55.520 the Ted Talk stage right now. He's He also gets 0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:57.920 back into football, you know, and he starts coaching, as 0:41:57.960 --> 0:41:59.239 I said, for the local. 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.319 Youth team, going to try and go semi pro. 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:03.680 And while I was riding high on all of his 0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:07.440 newfound success, he gave an ama on Reddit, your favorite 0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:10.279 place on the Internet, and he answered questions. Tony was 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.239 very candid, and I was surprised by this, Like he 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:14.400 was asked like if he came out of prison a 0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:17.400 more hardened criminal, which is a question we often consider, 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:20.600 like you know, basically it's like you know, criminals university 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:24.080 and there exactly. Tony said, well, I'm definitely more hardened 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.640 now than I've ever been. And sure when I came home, 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:28.439 I did have a lot of offers to get back 0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:31.759 into crime because I kept my mouth shut inside and 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:33.920 that's rare. Oh you didn't flip on yourself, buddy, Way 0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:37.040 to go, right. But I'm not about the money anymore. 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:38.680 Money can't be important to you. If you want to 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:42.040 stay out, you can't get a career. Yes you can't 0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:44.480 get a job, but you can't get a career, So 0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.239 people go back to crime. It's a vicious cycle. But 0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:50.200 ever since I walked out a solitary, I've never wavered 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.120 from where it is I wanted to go. 0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:53.839 What was he doing in the solitary. 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:57.240 He apparently was in solitary for either his own protection, 0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.320 he was getting in fights. I couldn't quite Yes. 0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:01.640 It is his own protection, because he irritated. 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.920 That that's what I was, That's what I'm thinking. So 0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:05.960 it changed him that his time in the hole and 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:08.759 forced him to confront himself, and he said, well, I 0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.399 was in the hole. I started asking myself, how did 0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:14.440 I get here? Who put me here? Whose fault is it? 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:16.440 We see this a lot right sometimes to come up 0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:17.040 with good answers. 0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:19.560 I can answer that for him. Right now. 0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.480 I came to accept it was my fault, nobody else's. 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:26.560 I created the scenario, and if I could hold myself 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.480 accountable for that, I could change the direction I was going. 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:32.760 My focus stopped being about me, It became about my kids. 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:36.000 And that's when the transformation happened. Elizabeth. I think what 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:39.400 he said, he meant it. But then the colors came Pokemon, 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:42.319 and he forgot all, forgot about his kids. 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:43.360 Plame the kids for that. 0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:47.640 The kids introduced him Gateway drug. So this year Tony 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.520 Carcio he made headlines again when the FBI arrested him. 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:53.240 And I have to say all that follows is alleged 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:56.319 because he's yet to be tried and convicted. So but 0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:00.279 as FBI Assistant Director in charge James Smith alleges for 0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:04.200 over two years, Anthony Carcio and Joe Bonder Chuck allegedly 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:07.960 manipulated common level trading cards to fraudulently inflate the retail 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:12.160 price from its true market value by assigning false validity grades, 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:16.280 resulting in more than two million dollars in victim losses. 0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:18.160 How did they do this? Great question? Was a bit 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:22.280 thank you again, According to allegations in the DOJ's indictment, quote, 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:26.680 Cursio ordered from an online marketplace various items needed to 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:30.680 create forged cards, cases and labels. The items included various 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:34.600 card grading cases, thermal transfer bar code labels, a magnifier loop, 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:38.759 optical glass, a handheld inkjet printer, a lock cutting kit, 0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:43.360 an electric grinding pen, an abrasive buffer and polishing wheel, 0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:48.279 and abrasive and bristle brushes and drill bits designed for engraving. 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:49.120 End quote. 0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:50.960 So he bought all this stuff online. 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:52.319 Yeah, that's a hell of a counterfeit kit. 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:53.120 That's amazing. 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:54.800 So what do you know about the world of Pokemon 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:56.560 Elizabeth and Pokemon cards? 0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:57.920 It's pronounced pokemon. 0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:02.600 Oh right, sorry, not much. 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:04.080 I know that's the Pika choose. 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:04.960 Yeah. 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:07.200 Yeah, you have to collect the card. 0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.600 Do you know they're valuable? Sure, like like a lot 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:14.719 of valuable, totally surprisingly, So it works like this for 0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:18.560 the modern trading card market because you're oftentimes like oh, 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.479 baseball cards aren't worth anything anymore. It's not exactly true. 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:23.319 It kind of is true, but you'll hear. So it 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:25.480 works like this. There's this company that functions as a 0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:28.960 card authenticator and a greater. So for a fee, this 0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:32.920 company will verify a trading card, be it a baseball, football, basketball, hockey, 0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:36.840 or Pokemon or Pokemon, and the company they rate the 0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:38.879 card graded on scale of one to ten, right one 0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.359 being the lowest, ten being the highest. Top grade. You 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:43.560 send the card to the company to be graded, and 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:45.959 then they after inspection the company, they seal the card 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:49.280 in this quote distinctive Tampa resistant plastic case that encloses 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:51.680 the card to preserve its condition and indicate it's great 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:54.960 on in a fixed label label as a barcode. It's 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:59.000 a sealed deal, right. Naturally, the market value hugely affected 0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:03.399 by this company's great process. So this is what Cursio manipulated. 0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:06.040 For instance, I'll give you another for instance, nineteen eighty 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:09.520 six Fleer Brand Michael Jordan number fifty seven Rookie card 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:13.000 aka the nineteen eighty six MJ Card. Can you guess 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:14.960 how much this card is worth? If it carries a 0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:15.440 grade of. 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:17.920 Eight nine hundred million dollars six to. 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:21.120 Seven thousand dollars. Now, can you guess what that same 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:22.959 card is worth if it carries a grade of ten? 0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:26.879 Just two steps up hundred and eighty five to two 0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:30.040 hundred and three thousand dollars hihs grade way up high? 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:34.160 Whoa big difference, right, Yeah? Enter Tony Curcio. In May 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.160 of twenty twenty two, he posted on the site The 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:39.799 Manhattan Marketplace that he possessed a nineteen eighty six MJ 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.440 card with a sale price of one hundred and seventy 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:45.800 one thousand dollars. Real deal, Elizabeth, Here's the card he listed, 0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:46.879 just so you get a sense of. 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:47.960 It, Okay. 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.680 Now, rather than have the card be graded by a 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:54.400 company responsible for such things, he just did it himself. 0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.040 He's like, I've got the tools, I've got the time. 0:46:57.200 --> 0:46:58.319 It looks like a ten to me. 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.160 Yeah, exactly. I love this card. It's a total tag. 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:05.080 So the card listed he purported it to be in 0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.799 a Tampa resistant plastic case that add the barcode from 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:11.239 the grading process, blah blah blah with a certification number. Now, 0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:16.000 according to the FBI, Cursio and his Underworld associates they 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:19.479 successfully sell these cards through the Manhattan Marketplace for a while. 0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.799 And they're all counterfeits, right, but they're real cards. The 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:26.640 grating is the counterfeit part. So you buy a Michael Jordan, 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.240 it's the Michael Jordan card, it's just like a two 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:33.000 instead of a tent exactly. It'll have like a rippling 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.120 in the card, or freight edges or like dogs spit 0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:36.360 on it. I don't know, like whatever. 0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:40.080 This much money, oh yeah, And they're. 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:42.359 Just milking people who are basically how afraid of us? 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:44.160 Are you? That's the kind of the thing. So they 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:46.960 sell their counterfeits. They mostly go to card shows. They 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:49.440 go to auctions places with a lot of foot traffic, 0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:51.640 also card shops where people don't really know any better, 0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:54.319 and of course online platforms. That's where they can really 0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:57.480 bring in the suckers. Sometimes, though, a buyer would receive 0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:58.960 the card and they would be like, wait a minute, 0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:01.920 like you, this is bys this is fake, fraudulent, I 0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:05.200 cry lie. They get pissed, right, so then they'd make 0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:07.640 a bunch of noise and I'm gonna go into Manhattan 0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:09.919 Marketplace and denounce you, and cursio Ow and his partner 0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:11.640 they would apologize, Oh, I'm sorry when to sent you 0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:13.600 the wrong card, send it back to us. We'll return 0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:15.759 your money. They would, And then they go around and 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:17.600 they take that card. They'd find a new sucker and 0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:20.480 sell it to him. So they just kept doing this 0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:22.319 in all the while, they're doing this with fake names. 0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:24.479 Right to Tony Curcio, he can't use that name because 0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:27.400 you type it in into Google and poop Upcom's a bank robbery. 0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:31.719 So his name was John Steele. Chum, so you wanted 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.959 to get into porn, I'm John Steele now. He would. 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:37.480 Also if he got into real trouble, he would occasionally 0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:40.080 direct his buyers to one of his friends to deal 0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:43.080 with the problem. For instance, according to the DOJ indictment 0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:46.279 and I quote, after a victim complained to Bonderchuck about 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:48.919 his sales of fraudulent cards, including a Tom Brady Rookie card, 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.480 a John Elway Rookie card, and various Michael Jordan cards, 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:54.719 Bonderchuck gave the victim Cursio's phone number, but falsely told 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:57.000 the victim that the phone number belonged to another individual, 0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:59.240 who in reality was a leader of the Hell's Angels 0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:02.520 motorcycle wait a second, So that part was real. It 0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:05.160 was a real Hell's Angels biker that the call got. 0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:07.960 So the person goes, hey, I'm gonna bonder Chuck. The 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:11.000 associate goes, hey, you need to talk to John Steele. Yeah, 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:13.719 John Steele's actually Cursio, and it gives them Cursio's number. 0:49:13.800 --> 0:49:15.480 Cursier was like, oh, you got to talk to my friend, 0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:18.680 gives them the number of a Hell's Angel biker, a 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.400 real Hell's Angel biker who knows that the call is 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:23.240 coming in and scares the hell out of the person. 0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:25.120 Right, this is what I always want my life. 0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:28.280 Yes, that's what I wanted to tell you. 0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:30.360 Who can just do those kind of things exactly? 0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:33.359 So they had that, They had your dream. Now where 0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:35.920 does the Pokemon mister Pokemon, where does he come into 0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:38.760 all the Where does in Elizabeth? There was a nineteen 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:42.880 ninety nine Pokemon Venosaur or Venisair, I don't know whatever 0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:46.400 it is Venusaur card and a nineteen ninety nine Pokemon 0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:50.200 Charizard card. These are the two cards. Okay, yeah, I 0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:50.839 know you love these. 0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:51.800 It is so good. 0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:52.080 No. 0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.760 Last year twenty twenty three, Tony Curcio and his black 0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:59.760 market trading card underworld buddies. They were offering these two cards, 0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:04.200 the Venosaur card for ten five hundred dollars. Found a buyer, 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:06.640 buyer put up money, they sent the card. When the 0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:09.799 buyer received the card, the undercovered law enforcement agent was like, 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:12.120 thank you, Ding ding ding. We got our evidence. The 0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:14.719 case was made. So people have been complaining about him. 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.080 Eventually somebody got to the marketplace and then that's all 0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:20.440 it took. They needed one card. Fraudulent boom. Tony Cursio 0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:23.200 gets popped for a second time. Now he's facing a 0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:26.239 maximum of twenty years behind bars for wire fraud and 0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:28.960 mail fraud because he sent it in the mail and 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:31.840 that's where they get you, the mail telling you and 0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:35.120 every single one is its own charge. Yeah, and also 0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:38.080 a federal good point now, setting aside his foray into 0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:40.880 the dark underworld of counterfeit Pokemon, What I wanted to 0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:43.160 know about Tony Curcio he ended up answering during his 0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:46.399 Reddit ama. Yeah right, because someone on Reddit they asked 0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:48.400 him the question I would ask, which is, why didn't 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:51.480 you just quietly take the cash and move to another state? 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:54.640 You got away with it, bro, What was the whole 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:57.200 point of staying in Monroe. If you robbed the bank, 0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:00.800 and so he said, and I quote, the whole purpose, 0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:02.680 the whole plan was to pull it off and stay 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:05.840 right where I was. That was never part of my thinking. 0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.680 I wasn't really the wisest person back then, but I 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:10.799 also was wise enough to know I didn't want to 0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:13.960 live without my family or live on the run. 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:17.200 It sounded like he was laundering the money there, and 0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:18.040 that's hard to move. 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:20.959 Seems like he thought it would just be an investment plan, 0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:22.480 like he would just get this money and then flip 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:25.439 it around and take care of whatever the financial schemes. 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:26.600 He at going be suspicious. 0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:30.560 Yeah, the FBI wouldn't come in, Yeah whatever. Yeah, Well, anyway, 0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:32.600 not really the move, Homy. But you may be wondering, 0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:34.920 I thought he saw the light in solitary confinement. What 0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:37.560 happened when he came back out the Pokemon card? Why 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:40.520 did he go back criming? Well, Tony Curci when he 0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:42.880 robbed the Armborg car and he took the proceeds and 0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:45.880 invested it in legitimate businesses, he also invested in some 0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:48.719 of them were illegal, as we covered right, This kind 0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:50.880 of points to he's never able to get away from crime. 0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:53.960 He can't out help himself. He's just kind of criminally minded. 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:56.960 So with the benefit of time self reflection, he seemed 0:51:57.000 --> 0:52:01.040 to grasp something elusive about himself. As Tony Curcio put it, 0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:04.280 and I quote, I'm just very extreme. I got diagnosed 0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:06.880 during my time in prison with the psychologist in there, 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:09.239 and they forced me to see psychologists as part of 0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:12.040 my probation. After a while it got old. He got 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:14.560 frustrating to me, just because at this point I know 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:16.600 who I am and what I need to do for 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:20.160 my personality. He think he's right, he needs the juice. 0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:22.200 He was diagnosed as extreme extreme. 0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:24.560 You sort you have extreme itis. I'm so sorry you 0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:25.960 got a. 0:52:25.880 --> 0:52:26.840 Case of extreme. 0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:29.960 It's not going to go away. Yeah, it looks radical, 0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:36.479 bat it's congenital. It's totally radical batical, some gnarly tubularity here. 0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:40.200 So he wants to beat the system. That's what I 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:41.759 seem to me like he wants to get away with it, 0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:43.799 be too smart for everybody else to you know, he's 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:46.160 a big man on campus. He's used to getting away 0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:49.240 with it. Yeah, and he expects to that's my read. Anyway, 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:51.280 what's our ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth? 0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:56.640 I don't understand the collections. I'm not a collector nor now, 0:52:57.200 --> 0:52:59.040 so I don't. I'm thinking, like, what are you going 0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:01.759 to use You're an experientialist, yeah, like what are you 0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:04.600 paying all this money for a pikachuo card? For? 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:05.720 Why? 0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:10.120 And just to fight change in time? Basically, that's what 0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:11.759 I think. I think possessions give you a sense of 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:14.239 control in an ever changing world. And so therefore it's 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:17.080 like the nostalgia if you physicalize it and you can 0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:18.839 connect to it, therefore, it's almost a way to go 0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:22.279 take that back change you can, I can hold onto this. 0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:23.759 That's what I think. It is the way of the 0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:24.879 tiny way of control. 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.160 Because I change, it just does not compute for me. 0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:29.280 You don't need that. You embraced change. 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:30.759 I do, I really really do. 0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:32.479 You're more of a gardener I. 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:36.200 Am, literally, but no, I think my my other takeaway 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:41.120 is that the impulse control idea, Yes, you always he 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:43.600 you know, he didn't have the impulse control before because 0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:46.400 he sees the armored truck and it's like, oh, there's 0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:51.200 my things. All of us that kind of stuff were like, 0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:53.480 oh my god, could you imagine if I and then 0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:56.200 we don't do it because we have impulse control. 0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:58.320 And we realize there will most likely be consequences for 0:53:58.400 --> 0:53:59.000 our actions. 0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:02.200 It doesn't think about all the stories that we hear, 0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:05.640 all these stories about people who rob armored cars and 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:07.680 get away with it and they're never heard of again. No, 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:09.719 there are no all those stories. 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:11.200 Often, if you get away with it once, you'll try 0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:12.279 it again until you get caught. 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.080 But see, but like it just doesn't. It's so rare 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:16.759 that someone gets away with it. 0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:19.080 No, I think that that does happen. It's just rare 0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:20.680 to do it once and get away with it. 0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:22.560 Yeah, but it's it's rare, just full stop. 0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:24.920 And so everyone thinks they're the exception. 0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:27.920 And he thought he was exceptional. Yeah, he does elizabeth them. 0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:30.719 And my takeaway, thank you for asking. It's ridiculous. So 0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:34.839 Tony Curcio said in his interview with The Sportsman that quote, 0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:36.480 if you treat other people the way you want to 0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:38.759 be treated, if you put them first and do good 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:41.400 things for them, it all comes back. That has been 0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:43.440 the key to my happiness. I feel better when I'm 0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:46.920 focused on other people than myself. My ridiculous takeaway is 0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:49.560 he forgot the most basic lesson that he himself learned 0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:50.080 is that what. 0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:52.360 He was doing when he was selling counterfit cards to 0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:54.760 people for his daughter's kids, putting them first. 0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:57.279 So there you go. It's all I got for them. 0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:00.799 For a talkback, flip one of those on Dave. Can 0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:02.839 you hit the lights on the talk back? Here you go? 0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:08.200 Oh my god, I. 0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:12.719 Love get. 0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:22.160 Thanks, ridiculous crime, no lame limerick rhyme now just bad haikup. 0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:27.120 Hey Michelle here again. Sorry for the ridiculous poetry the 0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:30.000 last time I left a message. What can I say? 0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:34.000 You inspire my goofy side. 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