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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dunton. I got a question for you, Yes, do

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Speaker 2: you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I most certainly do.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to share it with me? I guess,

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Speaker 2: would you please?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I will.

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Speaker 4: I love this time of year.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of springtime, spring summertime.

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Speaker 4: This spring summertime, not like the dog days of second

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Speaker 4: later on, but this is the best time. And I'm

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Speaker 4: really I just the other day cleaned my grill out

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Speaker 4: in the back.

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Speaker 3: Oh not my teeth, the.

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Speaker 4: Barb exactly, keep it crusty. The barbecue got that goes.

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Speaker 2: WHI whisk it up right?

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Speaker 4: It was you know, it was time I took the

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Speaker 4: cover off of it. It's the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get ready for it.

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Speaker 3: And I so I really like that.

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Speaker 4: I like entertaining and grilling and that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: And you know, there are a lot of like chefs

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Speaker 4: that you can follow who do that. It feels like

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Speaker 4: it was maybe like fifteen years ago that it was

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Speaker 4: all like the tattooed chef guys who were like, I

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Speaker 4: want to show you how to girl?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Whatever? Did is it?

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Speaker 2: Now? Who are the big girls?

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Speaker 3: I don't know?

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Speaker 4: But one that I that always kind of pops up

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Speaker 4: is Bobby Flay.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, Bobby Fla.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, not a fan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, doesn't people beat him? Is that the whole thing? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to see him on the guy beat Bobby

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh yeah, really yeah? Do you get

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Speaker 2: to watch him get whooped at the point of the game.

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Speaker 3: I have not watched that show.

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Speaker 4: Okay, surprisingly title, So yeah. So Bobby Flay, right, I

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Speaker 4: all I know about him is that he was married

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Speaker 4: to one of the eighty as on Law and Order.

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Speaker 2: Really, I think the blonde which blonde?

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Speaker 4: The SVU one?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, yeah, you're talking about Okay.

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Speaker 3: I think they were married. And if I'm wrong, don't correct.

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Speaker 3: I don't give a whoect anyway, but.

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Speaker 4: There was something and I should have looked this up

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Speaker 4: before I came in here, but something where like when

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Speaker 4: they divorced, someone had like a sky like a banner,

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Speaker 4: a plane pulling a banner that said something.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if this is true or not. I

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Speaker 2: love this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, So Bobby Flay, I don't like him cat

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Speaker 4: and I'm not sure why, but I just don't like him.

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Speaker 4: He has joined forces with pepsi.

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Speaker 5: Damn it.

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Speaker 2: I know it's gonna be about sky riding. Like you

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Speaker 2: know what, he found a new love because there was

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Speaker 2: a new message in the sky.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so he he was like grabbed Pepsi by the

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Speaker 4: hand and was like, came here.

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Speaker 3: They have a new grilling product.

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Speaker 4: I forgot the grill, of course, but it's actually it's

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Speaker 4: called Smoked, a grilling inspired cola on Colone. It's a

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Speaker 4: cologne's eric and it combines quote the unmistakable scent combination

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Speaker 4: of pepsi and a flame fired grill.

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Speaker 2: So it's a grid pepsi a grill.

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Speaker 4: And so it's like they said, the world's first ever

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Speaker 4: cola own is designed to reinforce just how well grilling

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Speaker 4: and pepsi go together.

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Speaker 2: They really want to push that cola.

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Speaker 4: Is in all cats and all if you don't even

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Speaker 4: need to fire up the grill to experience the joy

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Speaker 4: of pepsi and grilling. You can bask any unapologetically delicious

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Speaker 4: scent everywhere you go, says Jenny Danzy, senior director at

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Speaker 4: Brand Pepsi.

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Speaker 2: They need to apologize to the French for cola and

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Speaker 2: oh the stink of that, just the portmanteau of it.

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Speaker 4: I know, col and then like Bobby Flay, there's a

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Speaker 4: picture of him all arms crossed like.

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Speaker 2: Bobby.

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Speaker 4: Well, he's the one who came up with this, I guess.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But do you think like they're gonna rebrand this as

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Speaker 2: just the burger king smell in a little while?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god. Although you know, here's the thing, like

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Speaker 4: on East Fourteenth in Oakland, if you drive down East

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Speaker 4: Fourteenth as you go through each neighborhood on like a

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Speaker 4: Sunday afternoon, each like ethnic neighborhood, you get a different

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Speaker 4: barbecue scent, and it's amazing. You just roll the windows down,

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Speaker 4: like you go from like the Vietnamese neighborhood to the

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Speaker 4: you know, South American Mexican. I like that, but I

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Speaker 4: don't want to have it on my body anyway.

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Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. You think Guy Fieri could pull this off?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Cola Owned Can he pull that off? I

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Speaker 2: think he could.

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Speaker 4: It'd be like Donkey Owned can just smell like mayonnaise

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Speaker 4: and tequila.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, I'll tell you what. That's ridiculous, Elizabeth. I

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Speaker 2: got one for you, if you got a second, Yes, please.

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Speaker 2: All right, this guy I'm gonna tell you about today.

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Speaker 2: He was called the Craigslist bank robbery Right now, for me,

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Speaker 2: I prefer his other nickname, dB tuber. Wait, yeah, Potato,

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Speaker 2: Yeah like dB Cooper, but dB tuber like YouTuber. You know,

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Speaker 2: like I'll explain later, but just know this, if you're

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Speaker 2: going to do the crime, make sure you get a

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Speaker 2: good nickname. Right, you got it. This is Ridiculous cron

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Speaker 2: a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers. Heiss and cons.

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent ridiculous. Yes, hey, Elizabeth, Hey, what's that you like stories?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Sure, you like dogs.

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Speaker 3: I love dogs.

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Speaker 2: I know you like dogs. I was just dog sitting,

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Speaker 2: are you how'd that play out for you?

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Speaker 4: Amazing?

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Speaker 2: Did the dog? I agree? Like, oh hey that was also.

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Speaker 3: The dog was like high five.

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Speaker 4: I love this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do this again next week totally. Well, ever,

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Speaker 2: tell you about my time posting pranks on Craigslist.

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Speaker 3: In the early days of Craigslist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like this was like, this is like my dog sitting.

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Speaker 2: It's like how I entertained myself.

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Speaker 4: I love this and I've got some Craigslist antics too.

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Speaker 3: But keep those.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well mine, we're just cheap entertainment. Like I'd post

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Speaker 2: an ad in the like services section for the short

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Speaker 2: term gig. There was no short term gig, Elizabeth. But

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Speaker 2: for example, like in San Diego, I posted an ad

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Speaker 2: that I needed someone from the military to beat me

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Speaker 2: I was not at work so I wouldn't get fired.

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Speaker 2: The post it read and I quote not kinky, looking

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Speaker 2: for a man to beat me up for one hundred

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Speaker 2: can you guess what kind of reactions I go?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: One guy emailed me. He said, so I told my

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Speaker 2: buddy about this, and he said, we can drive there

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Speaker 2: from Colorado. We will take the trip. Wait, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: a woman, a woman wrote in I'm not a feminist,

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Speaker 2: but I'm a woman. I've had a stupid day and

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Speaker 4: Wow, I'm not a feminist.

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Speaker 2: I'd put in the ad that about how I didn't

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Speaker 2: think a woman could do it. That's why I'm asking

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Speaker 2: for a man. And I said look, I'm not a feminist, but.

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Speaker 3: I was a little callback.

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Speaker 2: It's like some Andy Kaufman stuff. Oh, totally producing me.

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Speaker 2: You would have loved it. Another person they wrote in

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Speaker 2: my boyfriend's trying to do this, his phones broke, So

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Speaker 2: that was the only message I got there picking out

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Speaker 2: their boyfriend's beating up but.

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Speaker 4: The phones broke. I used to a friend of mine.

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Speaker 4: Friends would post like things for sale on Craigslist. I

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Speaker 4: would like create an email and then ask them questions

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Speaker 4: like I was interested in buying it, but like really weird,

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Speaker 4: like innocent questions, and then they'd get weirder and weirder,

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Speaker 4: and then they'd be telling all the friend groups like,

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Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm trying to sell this whatever they

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Speaker 4: want to know if my couch smells like curry?

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Speaker 2: That was I liked another one. I also had posts

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Speaker 2: on Craigslist at ad in Cambridge, which is where t

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Speaker 2: is right, and so I asked for.

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Speaker 4: People all over the country.

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Speaker 2: Oh totally. I was asking people if they were willing

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Speaker 2: to become part of an underground experiment, right, And I said, like,

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Speaker 2: would you be a subject and let me do gene

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Speaker 2: editing on you? So I give you your skin stripes,

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Speaker 2: or like, maybe give you a taiale. I've worked out

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Speaker 2: both of these with gene editing. Now, some folks they

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Speaker 2: for no pay. I offered no money whatsoever. I just

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Speaker 2: offered them the chance to have a tail or stripes.

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Speaker 2: Some real life furries. They came at me, Elizabeth, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't know they were furries at the time. They

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Speaker 2: give me the tale, right, Worse.

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Speaker 4: Than furries, there are the other can ones.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, come at me, just come at me at

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Speaker 2: My favorite though, of all the Craigslist prank listings I did,

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Speaker 2: my sister, who was reluctant to listen. Right now the

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Speaker 2: ad read quote wanted persuasive person to convince my sister

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Speaker 2: she's not a mermaid. And then I explained, because people

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Speaker 2: are like, well, so I wrote, help my sister thinks

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Speaker 2: she's a mermaid. We've paid for therapists, she says they're fools.

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Speaker 2: We've tried bringing in a marine bio. She said he

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Speaker 2: was denying her truth. She just spends all day in

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Speaker 2: the bathtub while I'm at work, and she makes my

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Speaker 2: drunk on wine and sings. She chanties to herself. She

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Speaker 2: won't believe no matter how kindly we ask. Right now,

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Speaker 2: there's more to it. I gave her a whole backstory

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Speaker 2: about our parents and stuff and how her sister, my

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Speaker 2: sister wouldn't forgive me. Then I offered three hundred bucks

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Speaker 2: to anyone who could get her, like spatula, her out

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Speaker 2: of my bathtub. Now, obviously they have to talk to

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Speaker 2: her in the bathtub because that's where she lives. So

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Speaker 2: since she's a mermaid now, one woman wrote back to me, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: is this for real? I would love to come and

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Speaker 2: give it a try. I am a female unicorn fairy princess,

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Speaker 2: age thirty four. I think I can do it.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, No, of course you get those right.

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Speaker 2: But a guy wrote to me, Dude, your sister just

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Speaker 2: needs to get laid or have a deep conversation. Either way,

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Speaker 2: I can be that guy for he let me know,

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Speaker 2: and I got you.

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Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh, everything on this.

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Speaker 2: There was another guy who wrote, I used to work

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Speaker 2: with Alex Jones. If I can handle that, I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: sure I can handle your mermaid problem. What Alex Jones person? Yes,

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Speaker 2: it for seventy five dollars. WHOA. This is what I

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Speaker 2: Okay now these days his bio reads. Anthony Curcio is

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Speaker 2: Downer River. Yeah that's right, Elizabeth, motivational speaker. This dude

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Speaker 2: If I could do it, Tony Curtis impresion.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like that at all. It was definitely a

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Speaker 2: This is the common story. Elizabeth star athlete gets injured

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Speaker 2: Just keep that in mind. Now that we've met our

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Speaker 2: and after these extra juicy ads. I got queued up

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Speaker 2: So he you know, as I said, he'd fallen on

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, like he would just need like a blower.

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00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 2: Fifteen minutes, you're done anyway. So that's his gig and

439
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 2: he's just doing it real slow. So we can case

440
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,160
Speaker 2: the bank and find out what happens on a Tuesday

441
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,640
Speaker 2: when the truck comes along, picks up the money from

442
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 2: the weekend, and then boom boom, boom boom. The security

443
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 2: guards they pay no attention to him because he's a landscaper,

444
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 2: so it's like we see him here all the time. Boom.

445
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 2: He's able though, to clock them, so he starts figuring

446
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 2: out what the security guards are doing, what the armored

447
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,719
Speaker 2: car drivers are doing, gets the whole routine down. As

448
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 2: he put it, I watched it every Tuesday for a

449
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 2: month and a half, and there was a ton of

450
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 2: planning and logistics. Sure there was coach.

451
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:54,120
Speaker 5: Now.

452
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 2: Once he had the armored truck delivery scheduled down, he

453
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 2: starts working on his disguise because he's everybody knows who

454
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 2: he is. He's in Monroe, so and he also needs

455
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 2: to get away because once again he's in Monroe. So

456
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 2: he decides, you know, because we always talk about this, Elizabeth,

457
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 2: the robbery isn't done until you get away with it,

458
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 2: exactly right. He figures that out. He's like, okay, I

459
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 2: gotta work on that first. So his first plan jet ski. Yeah,

460
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 2: he's like, look, there's a creek right by the bank, creak,

461
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 2: and I'm going to put a jet ski in the

462
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: creek and then just zoom away. It's a creek, Elizabeth,

463
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: it's a it's a creek. Yeah, it's it's everything you're

464
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 2: picturing jets. So he goes out. He dredges the bottom

465
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 2: of the creek for weeks and he figures out he

466
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: tries to make it deeper because it's a creek. It's

467
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 2: not going to take the jets.

468
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 4: He's got like equipment, I suppose with his.

469
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 2: He's got landscaping equipment. So he goes down there and

470
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 2: he's doing it and he cannot get it deep enough

471
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 2: to run a jet ski. So yeah, he's like, okay,

472
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 2: I'm going to need a new plant. So he switches

473
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 2: so much time, new plan inner tube.

474
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 3: So it's the fastest way to get down.

475
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 2: He's the best way. So he's like, you know what,

476
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 2: I may need a little help, So he strings some

477
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 2: cables along the side through the tree. So now he

478
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: kind of pulled himself along. Okay, right, that's not bad thinking.

479
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 2: So lastly, he had to make a plan for himself about,

480
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: you know, how to deal with the armored car security,

481
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: because he didn't want to use a gun, so since

482
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 2: that would change the nature of his robbery. So Tony Curcio,

483
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: he's just focused on the money bags and how to

484
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 2: convince an armored guard to drop the money bags. And

485
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 2: it would be key since he's not armed. He doesn't

486
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: want to hurt him, do want to punch him. He's

487
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 2: like dress as a ghost, yeah, boom, you know.

488
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 4: And then you run to your inner tube in the

489
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 4: brackish waters and then he float on down.

490
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 2: What Tony's plan was, and I quote the big problem

491
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,719
Speaker 2: for me, he was getting the guard to let go

492
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: of the bags. A gun wouldn't have been sufficient because firstly,

493
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 2: I'm not a gun guy. I don't want to shoot anybody.

494
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: But secondly, I pull a gun. He pulls his and

495
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: although his hand comes off the bag. It's an immediate stalemate.

496
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: So became a question of how to get his hands

497
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: off the bag, plus make sure he doesn't pursue me

498
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: and ideally not even see me. And that's yeah, well

499
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: his answer. Yeah, that's where pepper spray became a win

500
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 2: win situation maker exactly. It's non lethal and the perfect

501
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: way to get his hands off and up onto his

502
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: eyes because no matter what, no matter how hard, people

503
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 2: try hit him with pepper spray, and they're going to

504
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: touch their eyes. Interesting, He's not wrong. It's a biological response.

505
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 4: This.

506
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 2: Now, as far as the arm guards and the question

507
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: of if they choose to shoot at him, Tony said

508
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: he had a plan for that too. The old fashioned

509
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 2: element of surprise, Elizabeth. Yes, if there's one thing I

510
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 2: learned from football, it's the element of surprise. Yes, people

511
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: always say football is the element of surprise.

512
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: It's like warfare, the core notion of it.

513
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 2: And He's like, as a wide receiver, I always knew

514
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: where I was going and what I was doing, which

515
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: gave me a huge advantage over the defensive. That was

516
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 2: my thing on the day. I had the advantage because

517
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: I knew where I was going Granted he had a

518
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: gun and I did not, but that still doesn't take

519
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: away how valuable that element of surprise can be.

520
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 4: What was the surprise in being a player who knows

521
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 4: exactly where he's.

522
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 2: The defensive back doesn't know his rout he's gonna ring.

523
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: So he's like, I'm totally surprised, man, this is just

524
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: blowing me away. All the defensive backs like, I just

525
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 2: watch your belt buckle and it tells me where your

526
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: body's gonna go. Anyway, his plan is he'll surprise the

527
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: arm guards, pepper spray them, grab money bags, make a

528
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: run for it, element of surprise down to his waiting

529
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 2: inflatable inner tube, and then escape down the creek. Whole

530
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 2: proof plan Elizabeth in his hometown. Now he's also created

531
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: tearaway clothing for his disguise, because remember a hometown. So

532
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: he secreted a bright yellow getaway inner tube, and then

533
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 2: he did a few dry runs because he wanted to practice.

534
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: He use a bright yellow inner tube.

535
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: I do not know, but so to practice ditching his

536
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: disguise and timing how long it would take to get

537
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 2: you would get away Interer two. But he's doing the

538
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 2: dry runs, you know. Lastly, he puts the final little

539
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 2: piece of his plan into action. He posts an ad

540
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: on Craigslist. Yes, the ad was for short term work

541
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: as a landscaper. It offered twenty eight fifty per hour,

542
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: which in two thousand and eight that's great pay, especially

543
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: for landscaping. Right there, you're like, oh, totally, But in

544
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, trust me, I was in construction.

545
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: That'd be like, I will be there on Tuesday. What time? Yeah,

546
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: So enough of that it would guarantee plenty of folks

547
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: like me to come. That's my point right now. So

548
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: potential employees were told to show up at the Bank

549
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: of America on Old Owen Road at a set time,

550
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: and to show up dressed for work. Right, So the

551
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: ad listed what these prospective employees should be wearing. So

552
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: now all is set, and then comes the fateful day

553
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: September thirtieth, two thousand and eight. It was, of course,

554
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: as I said, a Tuesday, because that's the day he's

555
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: watching every time. It's Tuesdays at around eleven am. Strangers

556
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 2: being able to show up at the Bank of America

557
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: wearing yellow safety vests, safety goggles, a blue shirt, and

558
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: a respirator mask. They all are wearing exact the same thing.

559
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: Among them is Tony Curcio, wearing the exact same thing,

560
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: only he's also wearing a wig, and all of his

561
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: outfit is tear away clothing with velcrow inside.

562
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, first of all, wigs, thank you.

563
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I needed that. You need the wig? I figured.

564
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: So when people arrive, he's already working, so and he's

565
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: always pretending to work, and he's spraying weeds outside the bank,

566
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: and his plan's working perfectly. People keep showing up, they

567
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: keep billing about more and more people. As he put it, though,

568
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: he gets a little annoyed by the people. I'll let

569
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: him toe it. They were very annoying when they got there.

570
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: I was already pretending to be working. So here's a

571
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: bunch of guys dressed like me, waiting for a supervisor

572
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: that hasn't showed up, and they want to know what's happening,

573
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: and they naturally assume I must know what's going on

574
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: because I'm working away. So these two guys start following

575
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: me everywhere, actually running after me. I had to go

576
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: around a corner real quick and ditch the disguise. And

577
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: this is before the money is even turned up by

578
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: the time it shows up. I'm up in these bushes

579
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: behind a grocery store putting my outfit back on. It

580
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: was crazy. I don't know, Elizabeth. Together you would think

581
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: that they were going to come up to you and

582
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: ask what's going on?

583
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: Do you think would happen?

584
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: I do know. I think you just wanted it all

585
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 2: to work seamlessly, like they all showed up at the

586
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: exact same moment, like within like thirty seconds of each other.

587
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: But even then, they're not just gonna stand there like

588
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 4: you know video game characters are gonna have to do something.

589
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: They're gonna know about and wonder who's paying me this?

590
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: Twenty eight do I talk to?

591
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 3: Oh man, there's all these other dudes. I got here.

592
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: Exactly there you go? You see Where'm But Elizabeth, what

593
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: why do we talk about this? Why not? You know?

594
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: We've gotten to the crucial moment, Elizabeth. I'd like you

595
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: to close your eyes. I'd like you to picture, Elizabeth.

596
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: You are in the small town of Monroe, Washington, located

597
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: there in the foothills of the Cascade Mountain Range, at

598
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: the confluence of three rivers, the Skykomish, the snow Homish,

599
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: and the Snow qualamy. In fact, the snow Quality Falls

600
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 2: is the famous waterfall that features in Twin Peaks, if

601
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: you're familiar with that anyway. At the moment, you're in Monroe, Washington,

602
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: looking to find work, and it isn't easy because it's

603
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight. That whole globalomy crushing financial crisis

604
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: is bedeviling you. Two today, as I said, Tuesday, September thirtieth,

605
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, and you, Elizabeth, are pulling into

606
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 2: a Bank of America parking lot. You pull up in

607
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: a borrowed car at nineteen seventy seven Ford Ltd. That

608
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: rattles and runs a bit rough. It backfires, and you

609
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: pull into the parking lot. You find a spot, as

610
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: you also spy a gathering crowd in the parking lot.

611
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: A dozen strangers are wearing the exact same outfit that

612
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: you brought with you to this temp gate and they're

613
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: all standing in the parking lot outside of the exact

614
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: same Bank of America. Once you park, you put on

615
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: your bright yellow safety vest, your safety goggles, and your

616
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 2: respirator mask. You turn off the radio and shut off

617
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: the car. Its sputters and dies. You really hope it

618
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: will start again. When you're ready to leave. Then you

619
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: get out closed the heavy door, dressed in your matching

620
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: bright yellow safety vests, safety goggles, and respirator mask. You

621
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: walk over to where others are knowing about some guy

622
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: introduced themselves Mike, and he's hoping that you're in charge.

623
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: And she says, I came across the ad that was

624
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: for a prevailing wage job for twenty eight to fifty

625
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: an hour? Can you believe it? And that's all he

626
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 2: pretty much knows about anything. It's all you know. He seems.

627
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: Whoever is in charge, whoever is doing the paying and employing,

628
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: has yet to arrive. As you look around for someone

629
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: acting like a boss, you see an armored car arrived.

630
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: You don't know it, but it's right on schedules. Just

631
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: s's Tuesday. You wait a little more, nothing's happening. No

632
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: boss arrives. Now, being curious as you are, you note

633
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: that one of the landscapers is walking over towards the

634
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: security guard as they walk out of the bank with

635
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: the money bags that they are there to pick up.

636
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: The landscaper walks right up to the armored car guard.

637
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: He's pushing a hand cart loaded with heavy money bags.

638
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: The landscaper acts like he knows him. Then he whips

639
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: up his hand to ie leve him. He sprays something

640
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: in the guard's face. You guess it's pepper spray based

641
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: on the guards hanged the action. He cries out and

642
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: grabs at his eyes. Doing so, he drops the money

643
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: bag cart. The landscaper scoops up two money bags and

644
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: runs across the parking lot like a running back or

645
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: merging from the line and breaking away from a long

646
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: end zone run. He could go, oh the way you

647
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: watch a landscapers. He runs across the two lane roads.

648
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: He stops a moment, rimps off his yellow safety vest,

649
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: his respirator mask, his safety goggles and the wig all gone.

650
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: He runs across a gravelly parking lot between a pair

651
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: of small local businesses. You can still see the landscaper.

652
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: He stumbles as he crosses the grass. He drops one

653
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: of the money bags. He doesn't look back, He just

654
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: keeps going with the money bag. He runs along Steven's

655
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: Pass Highway, headed for Woods Creek. Then he disappears into

656
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: the woods down by the creek. Gone, Elizabeth. It doesn't

657
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: take you long to put it all together. You were

658
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: just conned into being a decoy for a bank robber.

659
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: You turn to the guy next to you, Mike, not Mike,

660
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, and you say great, looks like we're not

661
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: getting paid, are we? And you also hope you're nineteen

662
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: seventy seven, Ford Ltd Starts back up now that you

663
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: have no reason to stay. But you're not going anywhere, Elizabeth,

664
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: because you just realize you're a night witness to a

665
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: bank robbery. The cops are gonna have questions.

666
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 4: Oh my god, he dropped one of the bags.

667
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so Elizabeth, you just watched all this go down. Yeah,

668
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: Tony Curciel's plan executed, gets away with his robbery, or

669
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: you know, at least one of the bags. And can

670
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: you guess how much cash was inside the bag? To

671
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: one bag?

672
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: One bag?

673
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: Four hundred thousand dollars?

674
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 5: What?

675
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: Yep? What grays is a very interesting question we did

676
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: for me. How much does four hundred thousand dollars in cash? Way?

677
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 4: But okay, aside from that four hundred what are they

678
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: doing with four hundred thousand dollars at this bank?

679
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: There was way more than that.

680
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 4: Generally don't move that much cash.

681
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Turned out that there was this like fair

682
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: in in the area at the time. The fair generated

683
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: all this extra money and he knew that it would be.

684
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: And then it's also basically right during the you know, September,

685
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: so people are all coming doing back to school stuff,

686
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: all the big shopping in September. So there's a lot

687
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: of loose money.

688
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 4: Wow, that's a that's a ton.

689
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: But mostly it's the state carnival that is in there. Yeah,

690
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: So how much does four hundred thousand.

691
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 4: Dollars wagh nine million pounds?

692
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: If it was in one dollar bills, it would weigh

693
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty one pounds. In twenty dollars bills, though,

694
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: it would only weigh forty four pounds.

695
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 3: And this was in one bag and there were multiple bags.

696
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: Well, he only carried two. Yeah, he dropped in one. Yeah, Okay,

697
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: he got lucky because the one that he had had

698
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: the fourhundred thousand dollars in it. So one hundred and

699
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: eighty thousand of it was in one hundred dollars bills.

700
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: Can you guess how much one hundred eighty thousand dollars

701
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars bills?

702
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: Right, hundred thousands.

703
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: I'll just tell you four pounds, four pounds. It least

704
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: four pounds. Yeah, okay, good, good, great answer. How'd you

705
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: know that?

706
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: I don't know.

707
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: So that's that's nothing. We can run at four pounds, right,

708
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: That's exactly what Tony Curcio said to the sportsman. He said,

709
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty thousand and one hundred dollar bills, that

710
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: was no problem. I could run with that like a

711
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: football all day. But the remainder, the other two hundred

712
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: and twenty thousand, that was in twenty dollar bills. Now,

713
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: can you guess how much two hundred and twenty thousand

714
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: dollars in twenty dollars bills weighs? Elizabeth, come on.

715
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: Big Winter, Big winner, million pounds.

716
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: Very close. Twenty four pounds. Okay, yeah, that may not

717
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: sound like much, but it's an awkward, sloppy twenty four pounds.

718
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: So Cursio said, that was a problem. That was a

719
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: lot of weight, but the adrenaline helped.

720
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 4: It's like you get a twenty something pound bag of

721
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 4: dog food.

722
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, it's wrestling. Yeah, it's not easy.

723
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 4: So going into the robbery, two of them thirteen pound

724
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: bag to that.

725
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: Way, he had no idea how much the money would

726
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: he expected the money bags right, and as I said,

727
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: he just knew there's a carnival in town. He expected

728
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: about three hundred and thirty thousand dollars way over because

729
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: one bag's got four hundred thousand. He's stoked, right, Yeah.

730
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: He manages to run down to the creek line. There

731
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: he finds his waiting yellow innertube. You asked earlier. This

732
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: is the waiting yellow innertube.

733
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's like a kid.

734
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like no bright yellow kids intertube. Look at that

735
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: bad boy. Could he be any brighter?

736
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: He should have been on one of those swans.

737
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: That would be amazing. So he hopped on this. It's

738
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: also wrapped in canvas a little bit on the bottom. Anyway,

739
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: pulls himself up the creek. It is. He doesn't go

740
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: down the creek. He goes weight up the creek. Yeah,

741
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: using a cable and pulley system that he'd rigged in

742
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: the trees. He goes two hundred yards upstream. There he

743
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: rips off his tear away disguise, climbs out of the water,

744
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: crawls into the trunk of a waiting getaway car disappeared

745
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: driven away by an association.

746
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: Oh.

747
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: The cops respond quickly. They're honest small town to go upstream, yeah,

748
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: everyone would think exactly. So the cops respond quickly, not

749
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: quickly enough, Elizabeth. When they arrive, you're still standing there

750
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: with a dozen other people. That's all they have would

751
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 2: be landscape, and they all say, yeah, that guy ran

752
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: off that a way, and they'd go down to the

753
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: creek and they think, what you think they go downstream?

754
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

755
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 2: Anyway, the localman rope d quickly determined why there are

756
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: so many would be landscapers because they heard about the

757
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: Craigslist ad. They go, Okay, they do the math. These

758
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: people are decoys, and the detectives realize this is our

759
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: only lead to go on, is this Craigslist ad. So

760
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: then got to call Craigslist and see if they can

761
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: find out who posted the ad.

762
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: Well, hello Craig.

763
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Tony Curcio, he's at a you know, celebrating his

764
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: score because he'd done it. But the cops, they do

765
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: eventually discover the tear away disguise, the dust mask and

766
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: wig that the purp had worn.

767
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 3: Oh DNA part.

768
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: So now they've got a DNA party exactly popping off.

769
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: So if the purpose in the system he or his

770
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: family ever used twenty three and meters. He's gonna get

771
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: caught well.

772
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: And then this is a federal thing though, because.

773
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: It's exactly I was gonna come in.

774
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: Local PD doesn't have to handle all that stuff.

775
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: So let's take a little break, Elizabeth, and we get back.

776
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: We will find out if and how they catch him.

777
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, and also pokemon, Elizabeth. He ready for

778
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: some more. So my man, Tony Curcio, he's gotten away

779
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: with it. He's gone upstream instead of downstream. He's got

780
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: decoys instead of actually going in with like accomplices. The

781
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: guy's kind of brilliant in a lot of ways.

782
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: Well, he did have the accomplished driving.

783
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: He did have the accomplaice to drive him, so he did. Yes,

784
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: we know about that.

785
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: So we did it, Joe.

786
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: Now that he's done it, and he takes his four

787
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars two hundred and twenty and twenties and

788
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty one hundred dollars bills, what do

789
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: you think he's going to go.

790
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: Off and do I don't know, by a better n

791
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 3: or two?

792
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: He bought a range Rover SUV. What yeah, okay, remember

793
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: materialistic douchebag, he said it himself.

794
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: How did did he go in with cash?

795
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm assuming so then he also suspicious. He invited some

796
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: friends and his mistress to join him on a trip

797
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: to Las Vegas to go blow his payday, like want

798
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: to be high rollers? Wait mistress, Oh yeah, he's got

799
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 2: a mistress. Yeah, I just saw that in a couple

800
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: of news stories. They're just like, oh yeah, and his mistress. Anyway,

801
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: So back in Monrow, the FBI arrives in town and

802
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: they want to investigate the robbery. All they have to

803
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: go on is this physical evidence. Right, So they go

804
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: and they collect the DNA, they run it, they test it.

805
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: The purpose not in the system. Damn it, there's no

806
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: good but they hang on to it. Becau it's still

807
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: good evidence.

808
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 5: Right.

809
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 2: And then Tony Curcio though he's made one mistake, one mistake,

810
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: Elizabeth that the FBI and eventually, well his doom will

811
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 2: be all come together because this guy, what do you

812
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: think the one mistake was?

813
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: Umm, the driver.

814
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: It's a good one. It's a really good one. No,

815
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: he pretended that a homeless person or an unhoused person

816
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 2: wasn't a person, and it wasn't somebody sitting right there

817
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: watching what he was doing. He allowed her to be

818
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: a witness he was doing collect watching him do his

819
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: dry runs, watching him practice, watched him rip off his

820
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: wig and stuff, and then he had done that before

821
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: right in his dry run. Well, guess who went over

822
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: and collected a free wig and a free stuff. This

823
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: unhouse person and that guy is going to bring down

824
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: Tony Curcy carefully executed plan right because as I said,

825
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: during one of the dry runs, he tears away his clothing,

826
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: his wig, leaves it all there. The unhask guy he

827
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: keeps it and then he goes and he contacts the

828
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: City of Monroe employee about this odd behavior he had seen.

829
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: Look at this good citizen right.

830
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: And then three weeks later, that same bank that he'd been, like,

831
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: you know, sitting near watching this occur gets hit, gets

832
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: robbed by a man wearing a mask, a dust mask

833
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 2: and in a wig. So this same man comes forward again.

834
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: Now this concerned citizen becomes a good samaritan and he

835
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: tells the cops what all he's seen, what all's he's collected.

836
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: But not only that, this guy turns over and I

837
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: swear to God, this is amazing. A black two way radio,

838
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: a yellow safety vest, a black wig with a short ponytail,

839
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: dark sunglasses, a large can of mace, and a baseball

840
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 2: cap another DNA party.

841
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: Wow.

842
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: Right, So also there's another thing he's got. He wrote

843
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 2: down the license plate of the car because of the

844
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: odd behavior of the man who just kept doing these

845
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: dry run So he hands over the license plate number

846
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: to the cops. He's like, here you go, and the

847
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: license plate the cops they run it real quick. The

848
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: license plate belongs to Tony Curcio's wife. He took his

849
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 2: wife's car. What ach Now they have a suspect. FBI

850
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: agents get to work. They start to surveil Tony Curcio.

851
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: Investigators grab a bottle that he was drinking from when

852
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: he pulls into some gas station. They run the DNA

853
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: on that. It matches the folks that they'd like the

854
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: Washington State crime Lab. Right. They test it and it

855
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: matches the DNA from the recovered items from the bank

856
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 2: job and from the dry run. Boom, Tony Curcio has

857
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: now been made. He's out driving around in his new

858
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 2: range Rover, shopping with a friend in an outlet mall.

859
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: The same buddy who was the getaway driver and the

860
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 2: FBI rolls up with the local Monroe PD and arrest

861
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 2: Tony Curcio at the outlet mall.

862
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: Why is it so hilarious to me that isn't an

863
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: outlet mall?

864
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, so materialistic and on a deal. So boom,

865
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 2: Just like that, Elizabeth, perfectly planned executed robbery goes bust

866
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: because he ignored one man, Yeah, human, one man who

867
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: is down on his luck.

868
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't even realize he's there. Yeah, I love it.

869
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: Further proof, Elizabeth, as you often indicate, you ignore another

870
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: person's humanity at your own peril. So, years after he

871
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: got busted by that on house good samaritan, Tony Curcio

872
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 2: looked back and he said, it was a huge surprise.

873
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: I was so shocked. I just never saw it coming.

874
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: After the robbery, everything went to plan. The money moved

875
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: exactly as it was supposed to, funneled and cleaned through

876
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: two small businesses in the area. But the person who

877
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: laundered the money became an informant, and that was another

878
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: nail in the coffin. You know, the only person who

879
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: stayed quiet, had no reason to stay quiet, was my wife.

880
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: She said to the police, do you think I'm going

881
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: to assist you put the father and my kids away.

882
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: He needs help, not jail, So she's right, but she

883
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: needs Yeah, And anyway, he got jail, so he was.

884
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: He was arrested on charges of robbery first degree. He

885
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: was released on bail. Tony. Then while he's out on bail,

886
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 2: he goes and tries to contact witnesses and gets sent

887
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: back to jail for engaging in witness tampera. Yeah. So

888
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: finally May fifth, two thousand and nine, he pleads guilty

889
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: and he sentenced to seventy two months in prison three

890
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: more years of supervised release.

891
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

892
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: Right, And as I told you up top, though, we're

893
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: far from over from Tony Curcio because out once he

894
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: comes out of prison, remakes and rebrands himself. Then he

895
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: gets busy in that underground Pokemon scene. Connect.

896
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 4: I don't even know.

897
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: You ready to hear about the recovery and the the

898
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: it's like rise in second Fall of Tony Curcio. So, Elizabeth,

899
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: after he gets out of jail, Tony Curcio published a book,

900
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: of course, because you know, as we constantly cover, there's

901
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,959
Speaker 2: no better writing retreat than prison exactly. So he wrote

902
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: a book for children about what to think and feel

903
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: when daddy is in jail. Yeah, I think it's a

904
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: meaningful book. I mean he had talent. He was doing

905
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: pictures for the other inmates to give to their kids

906
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: when they come to visit. It means like I got

907
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: a talent for this. Then he started writing a book

908
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: about what it means when daddy's in jail. It's a

909
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: necessary yeah, totally so. And he parlayed the same book. Yeah, oh,

910
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: I know exactly. It's a very common book, but I

911
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: mean it can hurt if you can reap into a

912
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: different group whatever. Exactly, It's a story that needs to

913
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: be told. It's true anyway. He parlays that book into

914
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: a redemption narrative that eventually sees him land on like

915
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: the Ted Talk stage right now. He's He also gets

916
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: back into football, you know, and he starts coaching, as

917
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: I said, for the local.

918
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 4: Youth team, going to try and go semi pro.

919
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: And while I was riding high on all of his

920
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: newfound success, he gave an ama on Reddit, your favorite

921
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: place on the Internet, and he answered questions. Tony was

922
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: very candid, and I was surprised by this, Like he

923
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: was asked like if he came out of prison a

924
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: more hardened criminal, which is a question we often consider,

925
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: like you know, basically it's like you know, criminals university

926
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: and there exactly. Tony said, well, I'm definitely more hardened

927
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: now than I've ever been. And sure when I came home,

928
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 2: I did have a lot of offers to get back

929
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: into crime because I kept my mouth shut inside and

930
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: that's rare. Oh you didn't flip on yourself, buddy, Way

931
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: to go, right. But I'm not about the money anymore.

932
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: Money can't be important to you. If you want to

933
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: stay out, you can't get a career. Yes you can't

934
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: get a job, but you can't get a career, So

935
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: people go back to crime. It's a vicious cycle. But

936
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: ever since I walked out a solitary, I've never wavered

937
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: from where it is I wanted to go.

938
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 4: What was he doing in the solitary.

939
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: He apparently was in solitary for either his own protection,

940
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: he was getting in fights. I couldn't quite Yes.

941
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 4: It is his own protection, because he irritated.

942
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: That that's what I was, That's what I'm thinking. So

943
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: it changed him that his time in the hole and

944
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: forced him to confront himself, and he said, well, I

945
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 2: was in the hole. I started asking myself, how did

946
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: I get here? Who put me here? Whose fault is it?

947
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: We see this a lot right sometimes to come up

948
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: with good answers.

949
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 4: I can answer that for him. Right now.

950
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: I came to accept it was my fault, nobody else's.

951
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: I created the scenario, and if I could hold myself

952
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: accountable for that, I could change the direction I was going.

953
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 2: My focus stopped being about me, It became about my kids.

954
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: And that's when the transformation happened. Elizabeth. I think what

955
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: he said, he meant it. But then the colors came Pokemon,

956
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: and he forgot all, forgot about his kids.

957
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 4: Plame the kids for that.

958
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: The kids introduced him Gateway drug. So this year Tony

959
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: Carcio he made headlines again when the FBI arrested him.

960
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 2: And I have to say all that follows is alleged

961
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: because he's yet to be tried and convicted. So but

962
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: as FBI Assistant Director in charge James Smith alleges for

963
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: over two years, Anthony Carcio and Joe Bonder Chuck allegedly

964
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: manipulated common level trading cards to fraudulently inflate the retail

965
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: price from its true market value by assigning false validity grades,

966
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: resulting in more than two million dollars in victim losses.

967
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: How did they do this? Great question? Was a bit

968
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 2: thank you again, According to allegations in the DOJ's indictment, quote,

969
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: Cursio ordered from an online marketplace various items needed to

970
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: create forged cards, cases and labels. The items included various

971
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: card grading cases, thermal transfer bar code labels, a magnifier loop,

972
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: optical glass, a handheld inkjet printer, a lock cutting kit,

973
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: an electric grinding pen, an abrasive buffer and polishing wheel,

974
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: and abrasive and bristle brushes and drill bits designed for engraving.

975
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: End quote.

976
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: So he bought all this stuff online.

977
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a hell of a counterfeit kit.

978
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 4: That's amazing.

979
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: So what do you know about the world of Pokemon

980
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: Elizabeth and Pokemon cards?

981
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: It's pronounced pokemon.

982
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: Oh right, sorry, not much.

983
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: I know that's the Pika choose.

984
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

985
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to collect the card.

986
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: Do you know they're valuable? Sure, like like a lot

987
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: of valuable, totally surprisingly, So it works like this for

988
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: the modern trading card market because you're oftentimes like oh,

989
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 2: baseball cards aren't worth anything anymore. It's not exactly true.

990
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: It kind of is true, but you'll hear. So it

991
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: works like this. There's this company that functions as a

992
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: card authenticator and a greater. So for a fee, this

993
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: company will verify a trading card, be it a baseball, football, basketball, hockey,

994
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: or Pokemon or Pokemon, and the company they rate the

995
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 2: card graded on scale of one to ten, right one

996
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 2: being the lowest, ten being the highest. Top grade. You

997
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: send the card to the company to be graded, and

998
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 2: then they after inspection the company, they seal the card

999
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 2: in this quote distinctive Tampa resistant plastic case that encloses

1000
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: the card to preserve its condition and indicate it's great

1001
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: on in a fixed label label as a barcode. It's

1002
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: a sealed deal, right. Naturally, the market value hugely affected

1003
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 2: by this company's great process. So this is what Cursio manipulated.

1004
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: For instance, I'll give you another for instance, nineteen eighty

1005
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: six Fleer Brand Michael Jordan number fifty seven Rookie card

1006
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: aka the nineteen eighty six MJ Card. Can you guess

1007
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: how much this card is worth? If it carries a

1008
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: grade of.

1009
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 4: Eight nine hundred million dollars six to.

1010
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: Seven thousand dollars. Now, can you guess what that same

1011
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 2: card is worth if it carries a grade of ten?

1012
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 2: Just two steps up hundred and eighty five to two

1013
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: hundred and three thousand dollars hihs grade way up high?

1014
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: Whoa big difference, right, Yeah? Enter Tony Curcio. In May

1015
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two, he posted on the site The

1016
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: Manhattan Marketplace that he possessed a nineteen eighty six MJ

1017
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: card with a sale price of one hundred and seventy

1018
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars. Real deal, Elizabeth, Here's the card he listed,

1019
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 2: just so you get a sense of.

1020
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: It, Okay.

1021
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: Now, rather than have the card be graded by a

1022
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: company responsible for such things, he just did it himself.

1023
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: He's like, I've got the tools, I've got the time.

1024
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 3: It looks like a ten to me.

1025
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I love this card. It's a total tag.

1026
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: So the card listed he purported it to be in

1027
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: a Tampa resistant plastic case that add the barcode from

1028
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: the grading process, blah blah blah with a certification number. Now,

1029
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: according to the FBI, Cursio and his Underworld associates they

1030
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,479
Speaker 2: successfully sell these cards through the Manhattan Marketplace for a while.

1031
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: And they're all counterfeits, right, but they're real cards. The

1032
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: grating is the counterfeit part. So you buy a Michael Jordan,

1033
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 2: it's the Michael Jordan card, it's just like a two

1034
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: instead of a tent exactly. It'll have like a rippling

1035
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: in the card, or freight edges or like dogs spit

1036
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: on it. I don't know, like whatever.

1037
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: This much money, oh yeah, And they're.

1038
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 2: Just milking people who are basically how afraid of us?

1039
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: Are you? That's the kind of the thing. So they

1040
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: sell their counterfeits. They mostly go to card shows. They

1041
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: go to auctions places with a lot of foot traffic,

1042
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: also card shops where people don't really know any better,

1043
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: and of course online platforms. That's where they can really

1044
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: bring in the suckers. Sometimes, though, a buyer would receive

1045
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: the card and they would be like, wait a minute,

1046
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: like you, this is bys this is fake, fraudulent, I

1047
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: cry lie. They get pissed, right, so then they'd make

1048
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: a bunch of noise and I'm gonna go into Manhattan

1049
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 2: Marketplace and denounce you, and cursio Ow and his partner

1050
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: they would apologize, Oh, I'm sorry when to sent you

1051
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: the wrong card, send it back to us. We'll return

1052
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: your money. They would, And then they go around and

1053
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: they take that card. They'd find a new sucker and

1054
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: sell it to him. So they just kept doing this

1055
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 2: in all the while, they're doing this with fake names.

1056
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 2: Right to Tony Curcio, he can't use that name because

1057
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: you type it in into Google and poop Upcom's a bank robbery.

1058
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: So his name was John Steele. Chum, so you wanted

1059
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 2: to get into porn, I'm John Steele now. He would.

1060
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: Also if he got into real trouble, he would occasionally

1061
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: direct his buyers to one of his friends to deal

1062
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: with the problem. For instance, according to the DOJ indictment

1063
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: and I quote, after a victim complained to Bonderchuck about

1064
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 2: his sales of fraudulent cards, including a Tom Brady Rookie card,

1065
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: a John Elway Rookie card, and various Michael Jordan cards,

1066
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: Bonderchuck gave the victim Cursio's phone number, but falsely told

1067
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: the victim that the phone number belonged to another individual,

1068
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 2: who in reality was a leader of the Hell's Angels

1069
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: motorcycle wait a second, So that part was real. It

1070
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: was a real Hell's Angels biker that the call got.

1071
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: So the person goes, hey, I'm gonna bonder Chuck. The

1072
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: associate goes, hey, you need to talk to John Steele. Yeah,

1073
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: John Steele's actually Cursio, and it gives them Cursio's number.

1074
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: Cursier was like, oh, you got to talk to my friend,

1075
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: gives them the number of a Hell's Angel biker, a

1076
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: real Hell's Angel biker who knows that the call is

1077
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 2: coming in and scares the hell out of the person.

1078
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 4: Right, this is what I always want my life.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I wanted to tell you.

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00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 4: Who can just do those kind of things exactly?

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00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 2: So they had that, They had your dream. Now where

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00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: does the Pokemon mister Pokemon, where does he come into

1083
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: all the Where does in Elizabeth? There was a nineteen

1084
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: ninety nine Pokemon Venosaur or Venisair, I don't know whatever

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00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: it is Venusaur card and a nineteen ninety nine Pokemon

1086
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: Charizard card. These are the two cards. Okay, yeah, I

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00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 2: know you love these.

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00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 4: It is so good.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: Last year twenty twenty three, Tony Curcio and his black

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00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 2: market trading card underworld buddies. They were offering these two cards,

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00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: the Venosaur card for ten five hundred dollars. Found a buyer,

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00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: buyer put up money, they sent the card. When the

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00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: buyer received the card, the undercovered law enforcement agent was like,

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00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: thank you, Ding ding ding. We got our evidence. The

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Speaker 2: case was made. So people have been complaining about him.

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00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: Eventually somebody got to the marketplace and then that's all

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Speaker 2: it took. They needed one card. Fraudulent boom. Tony Cursio

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00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: gets popped for a second time. Now he's facing a

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Speaker 2: maximum of twenty years behind bars for wire fraud and

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00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 2: mail fraud because he sent it in the mail and

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Speaker 2: that's where they get you, the mail telling you and

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Speaker 2: every single one is its own charge. Yeah, and also

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Speaker 2: a federal good point now, setting aside his foray into

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Speaker 2: the dark underworld of counterfeit Pokemon, What I wanted to

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Speaker 2: know about Tony Curcio he ended up answering during his

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00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 2: Reddit ama. Yeah right, because someone on Reddit they asked

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Speaker 2: him the question I would ask, which is, why didn't

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00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: you just quietly take the cash and move to another state?

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Speaker 2: You got away with it, bro, What was the whole

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00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: point of staying in Monroe. If you robbed the bank,

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00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: and so he said, and I quote, the whole purpose,

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00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: the whole plan was to pull it off and stay

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00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: right where I was. That was never part of my thinking.

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00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't really the wisest person back then, but I

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00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: also was wise enough to know I didn't want to

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00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: live without my family or live on the run.

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Speaker 4: It sounded like he was laundering the money there, and

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Speaker 4: that's hard to move.

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Speaker 2: Seems like he thought it would just be an investment plan,

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00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: like he would just get this money and then flip

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00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 2: it around and take care of whatever the financial schemes.

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Speaker 3: He at going be suspicious.

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00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the FBI wouldn't come in, Yeah whatever. Yeah, Well, anyway,

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00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: not really the move, Homy. But you may be wondering,

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00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: I thought he saw the light in solitary confinement. What

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00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: happened when he came back out the Pokemon card? Why

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00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: did he go back criming? Well, Tony Curci when he

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00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: robbed the Armborg car and he took the proceeds and

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00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 2: invested it in legitimate businesses, he also invested in some

1131
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: of them were illegal, as we covered right, This kind

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00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: of points to he's never able to get away from crime.

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00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: He can't out help himself. He's just kind of criminally minded.

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00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: So with the benefit of time self reflection, he seemed

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00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: to grasp something elusive about himself. As Tony Curcio put it,

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Speaker 2: and I quote, I'm just very extreme. I got diagnosed

1137
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: during my time in prison with the psychologist in there,

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00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 2: and they forced me to see psychologists as part of

1139
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: my probation. After a while it got old. He got

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00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: frustrating to me, just because at this point I know

1141
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: who I am and what I need to do for

1142
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: my personality. He think he's right, he needs the juice.

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00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 3: He was diagnosed as extreme extreme.

1144
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: You sort you have extreme itis. I'm so sorry you

1145
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: got a.

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00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 3: Case of extreme.

1147
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: It's not going to go away. Yeah, it looks radical,

1148
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 2: bat it's congenital. It's totally radical batical, some gnarly tubularity here.

1149
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: So he wants to beat the system. That's what I

1150
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: seem to me like he wants to get away with it,

1151
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: be too smart for everybody else to you know, he's

1152
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: a big man on campus. He's used to getting away

1153
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 2: with it. Yeah, and he expects to that's my read. Anyway,

1154
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 2: what's our ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 4: I don't understand the collections. I'm not a collector nor now,

1156
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 4: so I don't. I'm thinking, like, what are you going

1157
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 4: to use You're an experientialist, yeah, like what are you

1158
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: paying all this money for a pikachuo card? For?

1159
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 3: Why?

1160
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: And just to fight change in time? Basically, that's what

1161
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: I think. I think possessions give you a sense of

1162
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: control in an ever changing world. And so therefore it's

1163
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: like the nostalgia if you physicalize it and you can

1164
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: connect to it, therefore, it's almost a way to go

1165
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: take that back change you can, I can hold onto this.

1166
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: That's what I think. It is the way of the

1167
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 2: tiny way of control.

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00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 4: Because I change, it just does not compute for me.

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00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 2: You don't need that. You embraced change.

1170
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 3: I do, I really really do.

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00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,479
Speaker 2: You're more of a gardener I.

1172
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 4: Am, literally, but no, I think my my other takeaway

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00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 4: is that the impulse control idea, Yes, you always he

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00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 4: you know, he didn't have the impulse control before because

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00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 4: he sees the armored truck and it's like, oh, there's

1176
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 4: my things. All of us that kind of stuff were like,

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00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 4: oh my god, could you imagine if I and then

1178
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 4: we don't do it because we have impulse control.

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00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 2: And we realize there will most likely be consequences for

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00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: our actions.

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00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: It doesn't think about all the stories that we hear,

1182
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: all these stories about people who rob armored cars and

1183
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 4: get away with it and they're never heard of again. No,

1184
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 4: there are no all those stories.

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00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: Often, if you get away with it once, you'll try

1186
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: it again until you get caught.

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00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 4: But see, but like it just doesn't. It's so rare

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00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 4: that someone gets away with it.

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00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: No, I think that that does happen. It's just rare

1190
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: to do it once and get away with it.

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00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it's rare, just full stop.

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00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 4: And so everyone thinks they're the exception.

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00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: And he thought he was exceptional. Yeah, he does elizabeth them.

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00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: And my takeaway, thank you for asking. It's ridiculous. So

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00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 2: Tony Curcio said in his interview with The Sportsman that quote,

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00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: if you treat other people the way you want to

1197
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 2: be treated, if you put them first and do good

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00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: things for them, it all comes back. That has been

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00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: the key to my happiness. I feel better when I'm

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00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: focused on other people than myself. My ridiculous takeaway is

1201
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: he forgot the most basic lesson that he himself learned

1202
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: is that what.

1203
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 4: He was doing when he was selling counterfit cards to

1204
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 4: people for his daughter's kids, putting them first.

1205
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: So there you go. It's all I got for them.

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00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 2: For a talkback, flip one of those on Dave. Can

1207
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 2: you hit the lights on the talk back? Here you go?

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00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I.

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Speaker 3: Love get.

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Speaker 6: Thanks, ridiculous crime, no lame limerick rhyme now just bad haikup.

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Speaker 6: Hey Michelle here again. Sorry for the ridiculous poetry the

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00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 6: last time I left a message. What can I say?

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00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 6: You inspire my goofy side. I'm still laughing about the

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Speaker 6: Tiger King of Harlem weeks later, and I need a

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Speaker 6: bumper sticker that says I'm laughing because I'm listening to

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Speaker 6: Ridiculous Crime. Thanks, you're the best.

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00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: That's you know, we gotta start doing.

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Speaker 2: I do like that. That's a really nice bumper stick right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We would not have come up with that.

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Speaker 6: I like it.

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Speaker 4: We're always talking about how we need more merch, but

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00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 4: we have busy on the go life.

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Speaker 2: Especially you, especially me. I just have a passion for

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00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 2: design and you hate what I come up with. You're like,

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00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: you know what is that?

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00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 4: Like?

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00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: It's awesome? I did this with a sharp pid.

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Speaker 3: A T shirt underwear.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Well, that's all I got for you, guys.

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Speaker 2: You can find us online Ridiculous Crime on the social media's.

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00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: We have our website ridiculous Crime dot com where you

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00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: can get merch if you want some. And also we

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00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 2: can go to the iHeart app and you can download

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00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: it and record an app and maybe hear yourself here

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00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: on the show and emails. If you like Ridiculous Crime

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00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com, you can always write dear Dave

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00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: just to mix it up.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, do that.

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Speaker 2: As always, thanks for listening. We'll catch you next crime.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zarain Burnett,

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00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 2: produced and edited by The Man Pokemon Collects Dave Coustin

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Speaker 2: and starring Anale Rutger as Judith. Research is by Don Russ,

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Speaker 2: Rated rookies Marissa Brown and Andrea Song Sharpen Tear. Our

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Speaker 2: My Other Cars and Inner Tube Dutton. The host wardrobe

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Speaker 2: Executive producers are Ben Dbi, Kopper, Lives Bowlin and Noel

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