1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: A teen girl, Stephanie, just thirteen, is lost in the woods, 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: say her parents. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 3: A teen girl disappears from her New Sweden main home, 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: last seen by her grandfather walking into the woods. 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: Where is Stephanie who saw her go into the woods? 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: We're getting a lot. 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: Of conflicting reports about the last time Stephanie was saying 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: just thirteen years old. And I've got a problem with that, 11 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why. It was over twenty years 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: ago that I last saw my fiance before he was murdered. 13 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: I know what time it was, I know what he 14 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: was wearing, I know what he said. I can identify 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: his vehicle, his shirt, everything. 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that. It's crystal clear 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: in my mind. 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 2: So why is there confusion about what happened to thirteen 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 2: year old Stephanie? Joining me in All Star panel, But 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 2: first listen to this. 21 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: Main State Police and the FBI are asking the public 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: for help locating a teen from New Sweden, Maine, who 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: walked into the woods and hasn't been seen again. Stephanie 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: Damron has turned fourteen since her disappearance four months ago. 25 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: Stephanie is five feet tall, one hundred and thirty pounds, 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: with green eyes and brown hair. She was last seen 27 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 3: wearing a long sleeved blue shirt and black Harley Davidson 28 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: hiking boots. 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: There is a fifteen thousand dollar reward and it's climbing. 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: And now we understand the FBI has been called in 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: on the search for Stephanie. The description of her is 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: shoulder length, light brown hair, and I've seen repeatedly striking 33 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: green eyes. 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: Now we just. 35 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: Saw her speaking and that's from our friends at Patrol Life. 36 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: I want to see the dad one more time. Please, 37 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: let's watch dad, Christopher Dale. 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 4: It was not her phone. It was her grandfather's phone. 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 4: We had bought an old simple phone. We didn't even 40 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 4: know it could connect to the internet. Come to find out, 41 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 4: this cheap twenty dollars flip phone was the house she 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 4: ended up connecting to the internet again. 43 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel, including a volunteer searcher 44 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: who has been out searching for Stephanie. I'm trying to 45 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: figure something out to Tom Green, joining us former Chief 46 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: Deputy Washoe County Sheriff's Office, former homicide detective colek squad Burglary, 47 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 2: owner of Nevada Investigative Services, Tom, what can you tell 48 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: me about this family living as homesteaders? 49 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: As you say, yes. 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 5: So you know this is a different lifestyle. These are 51 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 5: folks that want to sustain on their own. They don't 52 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 5: want to be meddled with. They don't want to be 53 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 5: fiddled with. 54 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 6: They don't want to back that. 55 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: Please speak English to me. What do you mean sustain? 56 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: I sustain myself every day when I work in dinner 57 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: on the table. 58 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: But I've got an idea. You mean something entirely different. 59 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 6: I do. 60 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 5: So we're talking about no power, any power that any 61 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 5: electricity they have is gonna be generators. 62 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 6: As you heard a flip phone. One flip phone supposed 63 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 6: to no power. 64 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: Why don't they have any power? 65 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 6: Well, they're using generators to run things when they need power. 66 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 6: But this is off the grid, right. 67 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: Do you want a generator that can go down? I've 68 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: got a generator and I go test the thing every week. 69 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: But wait a minute. If you're not going to have power, 70 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: that's a lifestyle choice, I guess. But if you're gonna 71 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: use a generator and you do have power, what's the 72 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: point of not having power? 73 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: Do they not want any connection to the power company? 74 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 5: You know, it could be and it could be just 75 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 5: a it could be cost prohibitive. They live like a 76 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 5: mile off from my road in a forested area of 77 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 5: a town of five hundred and seventy five people. 78 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 6: And this is remote as remote as it gets. 79 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: But I guarantee you the next door neighbors have electricity. 80 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: What do you mean it's cost prohibitive. Well, and it 81 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: could be how much a generator costs. If you can 82 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: afford a generator, you can afford a monthly power bill, right, 83 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: And you know. 84 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 5: According to them, that's what they were doing when their. 85 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 6: Daughter went missing. 86 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: What did you say about sustaining themselves. I'm sorry, I'm 87 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: just trying to get an understanding of how this little 88 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: girl was living. 89 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, like I said before, it's you know, 90 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 5: you've got you've got four of their six children living 91 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 5: at home in a home fashioned yurt with no power. 92 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 6: No plumbing, no running up. 93 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 2: Whoa wait a minute, a yurt. That's a fancy name 94 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: for a tent. 95 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 6: Basically, yes, where. 96 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: Are the other two children? Do we know where they are? 97 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 5: My understanding is that their adults and have left the 98 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 5: home and on their own. 99 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: Gee. I wonder why they'd want to get out of 100 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: the Tom. 101 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: I don't want to get too far afield from the 102 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: fact that Stephanie's missing and their conflicting stories about when 103 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 2: she was seen last, but I want Christy rand is 104 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 2: joining me a special guest. In addition to Tom Green, doctor 105 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 2: Angie Arnold, and Alysis Teschuk, Christy is a volunteer searcher 106 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 2: who does not really know the family, but took it 107 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: upon herself to go out and try to find this 108 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: little girl. Christy, first of all, what led you to 109 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: join the search for Stephanie. 110 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 7: I have a distant family connection to another missing person 111 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 7: here in the States, so I've done advocacy work for 112 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 7: that relative for about six or seven years, and she 113 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 7: had a similar circumstance of being presumed to have walked away, 114 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 7: and in her case, hundreds of volunteers searched her area 115 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 7: for almost a month, And the stark difference response for 116 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,559 Speaker 7: Stephanie was really what called me to her case. 117 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: What was the difference, Christie? 118 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 7: Stephanie had no on the boots ground volunteer searches for 119 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 7: the first at least twenty four hours since the delay 120 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 7: in reporting, and beyond that scale of even. 121 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 8: A third or a fourth of the size of what 122 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 8: should have happened didn't happen for over a month. So 123 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 8: there was a lack of real serious response that would 124 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 8: lead you to think that she could be lost in 125 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 8: the woods or had fallen and been injured, just based 126 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 8: on the lack of volunteers and searching that was happening 127 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 8: on the ground. 128 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: Okay, Christie, got a cramp in my hand trying to 129 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: write down everything that you just said. That was a 130 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 2: lot of information. First of all, delay in reporting. My 131 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: ears pricked up when I heard that. What delay in reporting? 132 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, so we've been told it's about a twenty four 133 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 7: hour delay, and we like to consider that it was 134 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 7: actually long, closer to probably twenty seven or twenty eight hours. 135 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 9: The parents claim that they received the. 136 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 10: Call that Stephanie had walked off in the early afternoon, 137 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 10: let's say, after noontime, and the call to report her 138 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 10: missing didn't. 139 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 9: Come in until around four pm the following day. 140 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: We know a little bit about circumstances surrounding her disappearance, 141 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: yet even the facts we have gleaned have become a marquie. 142 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: But this is what we originally learned. Listen. 143 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 11: Stephanie Damron, thirteen, is one of six siblings homeschooled by 144 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 11: their parents, Lisa and Christopher Damron. The family of eight, 145 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 11: along with the children's grandfather, live in a rural, wooded area, 146 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 11: preferring an off grid lifestyle. The children are all very 147 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 11: familiar with the woods surrounding their home, with Stephanie spending 148 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 11: hours outside for time to herself while their parents are away. 149 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 11: Stephanie gets in an argument with her sister over their 150 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 11: chores and storms out of the open front door. Paup 151 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 11: tries to stop Stephanie, but after noticing tears in her eyes, 152 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 11: he lets the thirteen year old go, assuming she'll return 153 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 11: after cooling off. 154 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm trying to make sense of what I am 155 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: hearing right now. I've since heard Grandpa did not see 156 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: her walking off into the woods. I've also heard that 157 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: what was saying is Stephanie walking into the backyard. Okay, 158 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: Alexis Tereschuk joining me. Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter 159 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: alexis which of these versions is true? 160 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: Could they both be true? 161 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: You remember I told you about my former judge, one 162 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: of the many judges I practiced in front of but 163 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: this one particular judge, jose Luther Alberson, the oldest working judge. 164 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: In the courthouse. 165 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: And I might like to add the best he would 166 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 2: tell jury's it is your duty to make all witnesses 167 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: speak the truth, impugning perjury on no one. In other words, 168 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 2: two people can have different stories, but they're both telling 169 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: the truth right based on their vantage point, what. 170 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: They recall, what they heard. 171 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: It can be true that two witnesses statements can both 172 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: be true. But yeah, they are diametrically opposed to each other. 173 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: So help me understand what happened when Stephanie went into 174 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 2: the woods and is never seen again. 175 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 12: So she got in a fight with her sister. It 176 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 12: was over the chores they. 177 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: Have in their property. 178 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 12: Also our homeschooled, so she could having to be doing 179 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 12: her homework. It was school time, it was the fall, 180 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 12: and anything about that, taking care of the other children, laundry, dishes, anything. 181 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 12: So she gets in a fight with her sister, she leaves. 182 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 12: The sister says she sees her walk in the woods. 183 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 12: Grandpa says he looked at her. 184 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: She was crying. 185 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 12: He wasn't going to stop her. Now he could have 186 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 12: just not turned around and watched her walk away. She 187 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 12: has apparently done this a. 188 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: Lot in the past. 189 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 9: She gets upset, she's a teenager. 190 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 12: She gets upset, she walks around the property, she kicks 191 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 12: some rock, she cools off, and she comes home. So 192 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 12: they weren't initially worried. Is perhaps why they didn't call 193 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 12: the police originally. 194 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: After twenty seven hours. 195 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 12: Well, they weren't originally worried in the beginning. This is 196 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 12: something she has done before. They've said that she has 197 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 12: often sort of left and walked on her own. Again, 198 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 12: they own a huge property. She could have just wanted 199 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 12: to be outside. 200 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: Is it? Is it a huge property, Christy Rand? Do 201 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: you have searched the property before you? 202 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: Members of the volunteers were blocked by the family according 203 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: to reports from coming back on the property to search. 204 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: How big is that property, Christy? 205 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 7: It's a good tunk of acres and it backs up 206 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 7: to another set of wooded. 207 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 9: Land that could take you eventually out to a street. 208 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 9: But it's going to be really dense and difficult to 209 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 9: walk through. 210 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 7: But Jessa said before, the driveway itself is over a 211 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 7: quarter mile, so it is dense forest with. 212 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: It's a five minute that's not that much. I mean 213 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 2: you have to be walking slowly to make it twenty 214 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: minute a mile. 215 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 7: It's not even necessarily a driveway. So like this time 216 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 7: of year, there is no access by vehicle. It would 217 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 7: be walking only if not paved. There's no plow trap 218 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 7: coming through in the winter like we have right now, if. 219 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: Not covered crime stores with Nancy Grace. 220 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: Christy Rand, I am looking at a three hundred and 221 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: sixty five degree view. 222 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: There's nothing but trees. I see exactly what you mean. 223 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 7: And it should be said the neighbor directly across the 224 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 7: street from them, that home is also empty. 225 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 9: So walking to the end of the street, someone there. 226 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 9: If she was walking to the road, they wouldn't have 227 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 9: seen anything. 228 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: But the reality is, isn't it true, Alexisterresschuck that canines 229 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 2: were ultimately brought out? 230 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 12: They were, and I didn't They didn't find anything that 231 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 12: led them to her at all. They didn't say, oh, 232 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 12: it went right up to the street edge, we lost 233 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 12: it here, meaning that maybe she got into a car 234 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 12: with the person that she had contacted on this cell phone. 235 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 12: They couldn't really find anything of her. 236 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: You know, I find a lot of this to be inconsistent, 237 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: But what I do know is a thirteen year old 238 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: girl is missing. 239 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: Listen to this. 240 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 11: Stephanie still hasn't returned an hour and a half later. 241 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 11: Stephanie is very familiar with the woods near their home, 242 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 11: and they check all her usual spots, but find no 243 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 11: trace of the thirteen year old. The family doesn't think 244 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 11: Stephanie would have headed to the main road, but as 245 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 11: they walked the half mile trail leading to the street, 246 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 11: Grandpa and some of her siblings remember hearing some kind 247 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 11: of vehicle passed by just a few minutes after Stephanie left. 248 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 4: Where we live at and the way we live at 249 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 4: the first few hours, there was no reason to raise 250 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 4: the right flag, so we got the phone calls that 251 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 4: she took off with the road, and we figured by 252 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 4: the time we get home she'd be back. 253 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: You are hearing Dad speaking this dale damn run with 254 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 2: our friends at on patrol life. 255 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: I'm trying to analyze what I'm hearing. He says. Where 256 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: we live and the way we. 257 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: Live the first few hours, there was no reason to 258 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 2: raise the red flag, so we got the phone calls 259 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 2: that she took off up the road and figured by 260 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: the time we'd get home, she'd be back and that 261 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: would be. 262 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: The end of it. 263 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: Okay, that's conflicting, Christy rand I thought that the parents 264 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: went in town to fill out applications for jobs. That 265 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: while they were gone, Stephanie argues with a sister about chores, 266 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: and she tears. 267 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: Up and walks out of the home into the woods. 268 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: Now we've heard she just went into the backyard and 269 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: then suddenly disappears. Now I'm hearing that they heard a 270 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: car go by a quarter of a mile away on 271 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: the road. 272 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: They heard a car go by. 273 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: I'm also hearing the father say, we got the phone call. 274 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: She took off off the road when we got home. 275 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: We thought she'd be back and that would be the 276 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: end of it. When he says she took off up 277 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: the road to see made the public. 278 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: Road or up the driveway, what does this mean? 279 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 9: It's definitely concerning that. At first the answer is. 280 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 13: We aren't sure if she would have gone to the 281 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 13: road at all, And then we've heard. 282 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 9: A car near the road, and now it's that she 283 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 9: took off towards the road, So that in itself. 284 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 7: Can be confusing, and hearing a car on the road 285 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 7: doesn't really I mean, do we not expect to hear 286 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 7: cars on the road. 287 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 9: It was the middle of the afternoon. For all we know, 288 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 9: that could have been a. 289 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 13: Neighbor coming home, a mailman out front. 290 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 7: I don't think there's anything significant to be heard from 291 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 7: any of that other than discrepancies. 292 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: A thirteen year old girl goes for a walk but 293 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: doesn't return. The family reports hearing but not seeing a 294 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 3: vehicle on Where is Stephanie Damron? 295 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: A lot of confusing and murky facts, but I absolutely 296 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: know this that police were not called the entire evening. 297 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: She was not. 298 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: Reported missing until first thing the following morning. Now, I 299 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: don't understand that to Christy Rand, have you ever gotten 300 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: an explanation why the parents went overnight without reporting their 301 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: thirteen year old girl was gone? Do I have that 302 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: timeline correct? She was not reported missing till the next morning. 303 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 7: The earliest confirmation that we've gotten for the reason that 304 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 7: happened is that they were. 305 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 13: Under the assumption that you needed to wait twenty four 306 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 13: hours to report missing, and so they were supposedly waiting 307 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 13: for that twenty. 308 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 14: Four hour mark, and unfortunately they weren't waiting by the 309 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 14: clock and missed the twenty four hour mark before making 310 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 14: the phone call, and as far as the quote saying. 311 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 15: That they were in the wood screaming and looking for her, 312 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 15: you know that leading up to that twenty four hour mark, 313 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 15: there are no neighbors that ever received a knock from them. 314 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 13: If they were. 315 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 7: Out looking for those twenty four hours, it was not 316 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 7: to a neighbor. 317 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: Hey, Christy, how close is the home to, say, for instance, 318 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: a convenience store miles ten miles, twenty miles one mile. 319 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 7: I'm not comfortable staying for sure, but I would say 320 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 7: about ten miles. It would be a leafy walk for 321 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 7: a teenage girl who be going to the local gas 322 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 7: station on foot. 323 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 9: Her closest univers would have been safer locations for her 324 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 9: to go where they have figured it. 325 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 16: Of Uncle Andrew, who lives nearby, there are other people 326 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 16: on their street that she would have been more likely 327 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 16: to walk to before attempting to reach town. 328 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something. 329 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: Tom Green and I both say the family lived in 330 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: a yurt, which is a glorified tint. You say, no, 331 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: it's not a yur, then what is it? So? 332 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 9: I'm also from Maine, where we have homesteads. 333 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 7: Here, there's a lot of people who choose to live 334 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 7: kind of an alternative homesteading lifestyle, and to me, a 335 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 7: ur would be a solid structure built to withstand the 336 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 7: elements of Mainz weather. You could potentially have woodstove in 337 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 7: there and it would it would come in a way 338 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 7: that it's built to. 339 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 9: Last and protect, provide protection from. 340 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 7: The elements and anything else you need to sustain yourself 341 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 7: long term over winters. There are people who rent them 342 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 7: for airbnbs and anything, and beyond up. 343 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 17: Here what they have call a DIY version of that 344 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 17: where they have a handmade center structure that they've extended 345 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 17: with tent like structures off of the perimeter to create 346 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 17: a DIY version of a tent. 347 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: So they're living in a tent like structure. 348 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: Does each child have their have their own space or 349 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: they all in one room? 350 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 9: They have small separate room like living quarters. 351 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 7: They wouldn't be what we consider rooms with our own 352 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 7: windows and doors, but they would be separated from each 353 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 7: other for a little. 354 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 9: Bit of privacy. There's no indoor bathroom or anything like that. 355 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 9: So it isn't the. 356 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 7: It's not the structure that we would all want to 357 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 7: see our kids raised in. But for people who are 358 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 7: choosing an alternative lifestyle. 359 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 9: It could be seen as fit. 360 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 2: When you were to them as homesteaders. What is your 361 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: interpretation of the word homesteader. 362 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 7: Possibly being off of the grid like they are using 363 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 7: a generator when they absolutely need power, not using everyday 364 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 7: amenities like the running water, but still having access to 365 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 7: ploudible water to use for washing dishes or cleaning yourself up, 366 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 7: potentially using animals and other techniques to you know, have 367 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 7: your own garden, grow your own vegetables, process your own chicken, 368 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 7: survive off the land, and need as much outside subsidence 369 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 7: as possible possible. 370 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 2: Okay, Doctor Angel Arnold joining me renowned psychiatrist joining us 371 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 2: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction voted my Buckhead's best psychiatric 372 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 2: practice of twenty two, twenty three, and twenty four. Doctor Angie, 373 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 2: I'm not judging. I don't care. I have lived in 374 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: a tent over the summer when I was camp counselor 375 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: in the National Forest. I have in a yurt. I 376 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 2: certainly don't live that way now with the children and 377 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: my mother living with us. But that said, I don't 378 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: care how these people live. What I do care about 379 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: is the fact that quote off the grid and homesteading, homeschooling. 380 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: That gives a lot less eyes on the child. I 381 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: can't even figure out when she was last scene. For 382 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 2: Pete's sake. 383 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 18: Well, and my big question is why, Nancy, Why are 384 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 18: they living like this? 385 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: Like it? 386 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 18: It makes us wonder if they're running away from something. 387 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 18: And this little girl at thirteen or fourteen years old 388 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 18: sounds like she may be getting tired of this way 389 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 18: of living. Oftentimes, when people run away, they can either 390 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 18: be running away from something that's going on in the 391 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 18: home environment, or they can also actually be running towards 392 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 18: something that they're looking for. Okay, so remember that they 393 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 18: can be running away or towards something else. So we're 394 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 18: all questioning this way of life. 395 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: What about the other four children? 396 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 18: Are they questioning this ray of life? 397 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you become doctor their way of life. This 398 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: is America. 399 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: It's not common as China, where they know everything is 400 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: thinking and doing. 401 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 18: But is the little girl questioning their way of life? 402 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 18: And is she running away from something that's going on 403 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 18: in the home or is she running towards something another 404 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 18: way of life that she would prefer to live. That's 405 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 18: my question in all of this, because I don't believe 406 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 18: we have enough information past that the girl is gone. 407 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 18: Was she running away from something or was she running 408 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 18: towards something? Okay, Nancy, And all we know is that 409 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 18: that little girl is gone. 410 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 19: Despite extensive investigative efforts including a neighborhood cannabis and video search, 411 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 19: along with an expansive grid search utilizing canines from Maine 412 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 19: Warden Service and main stay police, Stephanie is still missing. 413 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: That from our friends at News Center Maine, we just 414 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: heard doctor Angela Arnold state that this little girl, just 415 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: thirteen years old, described as having shoulder linked, light brown 416 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: hair and strikingly green eyes, was either running away from 417 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: something or running to something. Let's explore the theory. She's 418 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 2: running away from something, isn't it true? Alexis Tereschuk that 419 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 2: there was a quote CPS fiasco back in Texas, and 420 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: I'm getting that from what purports to be one of 421 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: the parents' Facebook a quote CPS Child Protective Services fiasco 422 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 2: back in Texas, and they fled Texas and moved to Maine. 423 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: Explain what happened? 424 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 12: So the police recalled because the parents were inside a 425 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 12: McDonald's and they appeared drunk, so the police came up. 426 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 12: They found them, they arrested them for being drug public. 427 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 12: Then they realized two of their children were in the 428 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 12: car outside, so the parents weren't even taking care of 429 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 12: the children that were in the car, and that's where 430 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 12: they were charged with child abandonment. I believe they definitely 431 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 12: got much lesser charges and they didn't serve any time 432 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 12: in jail, But it was definitely CPS was involved after 433 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 12: the police found them having left their children in the 434 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 12: car while they were drunk inside McDonald's. 435 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: The tip line everyone is one eight hundred and nine 436 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: two four two two six ' one or the FBI 437 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: one eight hundred call FBI. That's one eight hundred two 438 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: two five five three two four. There is a reward 439 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: with information leading to the whereabouts of this little thirteen 440 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: year old girl. Now, you mentioned earlier, Christy Rand that 441 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 2: some people were searching the property. 442 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: Under the theory she may have quote fallen. What I 443 00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: think it was. 444 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 7: Important for everyone was volunteering to search the general area 445 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 7: that since we did not find Stephanie in the first 446 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 7: twenty four hours or in that first week, there was 447 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 7: some possibility since there were also no sightings, no credible 448 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 7: reports of her being seen in town or in their 449 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 7: closest city or anywhere else in the state. 450 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 9: It was important to make sure that if she had 451 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 9: taken her adventure in the woods to. 452 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 7: Go cool off, that she had not fallen, tripped, gotten injured. 453 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 9: Or anything of the sort and just was unable to 454 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 9: reach out. 455 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: You stated that neighbors did not hear anyone calling out 456 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: her name or screaming or going door to door looking 457 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: for her. 458 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 9: No, so no neighbors heard anything that twenty. 459 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 10: Four hour period delay of reporting her missing that they 460 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 10: were out screaming. 461 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 7: In the woods looking for her. Neighbors heard nothing. They 462 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 7: also never received. 463 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 9: A knock on their door from dad or mom. 464 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 7: The neighbors actually the first knock they received was from 465 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 7: author of these days later asking for video footage and 466 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 7: if they have seen anything. 467 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: To Tom Green joining me, owner of Nevada Investigative Services 468 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: and former Chief Deputy in Washa County, I want you 469 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: to hear again what the father is saying. 470 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 4: It was not her phone. It was her grandfather's phone. 471 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 4: We had bought an old simple phone. We didn't even 472 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 4: know it could connect to the internet. Come to find out, 473 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 4: this cheap twenty dollars flip phone was the how she 474 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 4: ended up connecting to the internet. 475 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to analyze that. 476 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 2: And you're seeing that video from our friends that on 477 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 2: patrol live. To connect to the internet, of course, you 478 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: have to have wife. 479 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 9: Hi. 480 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: Okay, if you don't have electricity and you don't have 481 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: an indoor bathroom, is it consistent that Grandpa hasn't quote 482 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: old simple phone that connects to the internet. 483 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you? 484 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 6: Not exactly. 485 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 5: But what also doesn't make sense to me is the 486 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 5: mom and dad said they received a call about her 487 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 5: going missing. How did that call occur? Did it occur 488 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 5: from the property, from a neighbor, did somebody drive to town. 489 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 5: We don't know how close the nearest cell tower is 490 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 5: to their home. Theoretically, you could get data and access 491 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 5: the Internet on a device that's capable of doing those 492 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 5: things if you're in a range of a cell tower. 493 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 6: Maybe the neighbor has WiFi. We just don't know. 494 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 2: I think I know about the call. Correct me if 495 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: I'm wrong. Alexis and Christy after she went out the 496 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 2: door after a spat with her sister regarding chores. Apparently someone, 497 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: I guess the grandpa someone called the mom and dad 498 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: who say they were in town filling out a job 499 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: application and said she stormed out. 500 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: They believe, well, she'll be back. 501 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: In an hour and a half or so. When we 502 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: get home, they come home, she's not there. I'm assuming 503 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 2: that call came from Grandpapa's flip phone. Is that you're understanding, Alexis. 504 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 12: Tereschuk, Yes, it is, And there haven't been in your 505 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 12: report saying she took Grandpa's phone, so she was. They've 506 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 12: always admitted that Grandpa has a phone, and just because 507 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 12: it was a flip phone doesn't mean it can't make calls. 508 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 9: So they called the parents with the flup phone. 509 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: What about it? 510 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 7: Christy Rand, Yes, I believe that's That's exactly what we've 511 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 7: been told as well, that he had a flip phone, 512 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 7: that Stephanie was commonly using it, but. 513 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 9: Did not take it with her when she left that day. 514 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 9: And we are unclear on whether or not. 515 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 7: The phone call happened immediately as she was walking away, 516 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 7: or if they waited twenty or thirty minutes to connect 517 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 7: to service, connect to Wi Fi, get to a neighbor's. 518 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 9: House to make the call. It's unclear of how soon 519 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 9: that call happened. 520 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: So to your knowledge, do they have Internet access there. 521 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 2: Do they have Wi Fi? I mean they don't have 522 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: a commode. I'm not judging if you're I don't care asking, 523 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out if you don't have 524 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: a commode you have Wi Fi. 525 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 7: What we've asked about the Wi Fi and we're unable 526 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 7: to get a clear answer as. 527 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 9: To whether or not they had it. But if you 528 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 9: notice the on patrol interview that Dad. 529 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 7: Has done, he appears to be recording that video from 530 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 7: the UR and as far as we know, it appeared 531 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 7: like it may be live. So for that to be possible, 532 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 7: there is some type of Wi Fi connection, whether it's 533 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 7: coming from a hotspot or a cell phone. He is 534 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 7: in that UR, it appears, and clearly has a device 535 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 7: that he can use to record a video and send 536 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 7: to on patrol. So there must be some way to 537 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 7: connect to the Internet via a phone, a hotspot, or 538 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 7: a Wi Fi router. 539 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: Okay, Christy and everybody on the panel and jump in 540 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: if you have insight onto this is it true. Search 541 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: teams were ultimately barred from searching the property. 542 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 7: Yes, we have search teams that were denied access. After 543 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 7: the first initial searches, there was a series of events 544 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 7: that went now that became hostile. We were denied access 545 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 7: to the property without a warrant, and I believe there 546 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 7: was a Facebook post made in the Mysteries of Main 547 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 7: group by Dale himself explaining that no one was welcome 548 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 7: to return without a war and or permission. And so 549 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 7: that is part of why we've created the why. 550 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 2: I don't think he needed a reason, but I mean, 551 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: I would want everybody and their brother and sister looking 552 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: from my child. I don't understand why would you bar 553 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: searchers from looking for your child. 554 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 20: I'm going to just try to keep that there's a 555 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 20: possibility he is extremely uncomfortable with the press and the 556 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 20: publicity that this. 557 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 7: Has gotten, and for his own reasons, may just want 558 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 7: official search teams to. 559 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 9: Be there and maybe only wants FBI and police to 560 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 9: be honest property from now on. It also could be extremely. 561 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 7: Uncomfortable for for them as parents to have US volunteers 562 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 7: coming out to search for Stephanie and also asking questions, 563 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 7: you know, about the electricity, the Wi Fi connection, whether 564 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 7: or not there was cell service. Because of course, when 565 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 7: you have a dozen volunteer searchers invited to your property, 566 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 7: all of us are going to be bringing our smartphones, 567 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 7: using maps and devices to communicate with each other. 568 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 13: So it was. 569 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 7: Fairly instantly that volunteers were able to determine there's no 570 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 7: cell service here. 571 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 9: So where's this phone call coming from? And how did 572 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 9: this all work? 573 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 574 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 21: Their tips from the public that maybe she had a 575 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 21: social media friend at the time or an acquaintance, So 576 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 21: we just try to follow up on any information for 577 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 21: those outside states. 578 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: That was the tenant, Darren carn from the main state 579 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 2: Police currency of our friends at New Center, Maine. Let's 580 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 2: talk about the so called internet searches. Tom, you said 581 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: something very significant, you said. Let's listen to the exact 582 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: words we're hearing. Why did you say that, What do 583 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: you mean? What have you gleaned? 584 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 6: Well, you know, a statement analysis is critical. People say 585 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 6: things that they may not want to because it's the truth. 586 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 5: In an instance like that where he said that she 587 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 5: had been on the internet, it wasn't a speculation. He 588 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 5: knows somehow that she had accessed the internet. 589 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: To Alexis, to reschat crime online dot com investigative reporter. 590 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: He said that she had been on dating sites. 591 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 12: Right, he did say that, And you remember she is 592 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 12: only thirteen. You're not supposed to be on dating sites 593 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 12: when you are thirteen. 594 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: They really try to. 595 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 12: You have to put in details and identification and things 596 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 12: like that. But dad said she had been on dating 597 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 12: websites all through a little flip phone. 598 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll throw a flip front and no one knew 599 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: she was doing it. 600 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 2: Doctor Angie Arnold renowned psychiatry is doctor Angie, isn't it true? 601 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: The more you. 602 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: I guess it'd be reverse psychology. The more you try 603 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: to keep a child away from a certain thing that's 604 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: the thing that they want, the more. Okay, they fled 605 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: Texas after a CPS fiasco. They come to homestead here 606 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: in New Sweden, Maine, and you've seen let's take a 607 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: look at that three hundred and sixty five degree photo 608 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 2: and an aerial. You can't get your child much further 609 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: away from society, from school, from other people, from other 610 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: children than here, and still live in the US. 611 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: It's on the Canadian border. So she tries. 612 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: They try so much to keep the child away that 613 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: that's exactly what Stephanie did. 614 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: Nancy. 615 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 18: They don't go to school, they don't have a phone. 616 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 18: So if this child can gain access to a phone 617 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 18: via her grandfather, and she's vulnerable because of her age. 618 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: Okay, what else is she. 619 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 18: Going to do but look at some sort of a 620 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 18: website where she could possibly find someone else. 621 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 9: To talk to. 622 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 18: So she So she is very much vulnerable, and she 623 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 18: could be a victim to any number of things that 624 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 18: can happen to her on the internet. But oftentimes children 625 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 18: will reach out when they get the opportunity because they 626 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 18: feel so pinned down by all of this isolation that 627 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 18: the parents are trying to, you know, sometimes under the 628 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 18: guise of keeping them safe. I don't know much about 629 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 18: this family, but you know, there are a lot of 630 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 18: conspiracy theorists out there. They don't want children to hear 631 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 18: other things that are going on in the world, and 632 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 18: so she very well could have reached out. 633 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: On the only well, it seems to me getting back 634 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 2: to the facts that we know, Tom Green, if the authorities, 635 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 2: if LA law enforcement took all the devices and looked 636 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: at them, wouldn't they know which dating site she had 637 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 2: allegedly gone to, and if so, who would be her 638 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 2: social media friend and then find that person. 639 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: It's not rocket science. 640 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 5: I agree with you, and the fact that the FBI 641 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 5: is still involved makes it seem that it's less of 642 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 5: a chance that she ran away and is deceased in 643 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 5: the woods, God forbid, and that there's more of a 644 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 5: chance that she either got picked up, met someone something 645 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 5: like that, and is in a vulnerable state because. 646 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 6: Of her age. 647 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: Christi Rand, there was recently a vigil. A vigil was 648 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 2: held for Stephanie to keep her disappearance in the news media. 649 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: Did you attend the vigil? I did not, Christy. You 650 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 2: have devoted so much of your time to try to 651 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 2: find Stephanie. 652 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: Why did you not go to the vigil? 653 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 20: Safety concerns for volunteers and organizers, and we were hoping 654 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 20: to have confirmation that law enforcement would be president that 655 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 20: day so that we could be protected, the family could 656 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 20: be protected, and since we weren't able to have that, 657 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 20: there were members that decided it would be best not 658 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 20: to attend. 659 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 2: Were you actually afraid that you would be confronted at 660 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 2: the vigil? 661 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: I think it was a possibility. 662 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 7: And if not for confrontation, family members, town residents, anyone. 663 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 9: Who would have a reason to not want us on 664 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 9: their property. 665 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 22: In general, there are people that live in New Sweden 666 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 22: who just genuinely want their privacy and are not interested 667 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 22: in dozens of volunteers knocking on doors with permission slips 668 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 22: asking to put boots on their ground. 669 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 3: The FBI and Maine State Police working to find a 670 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 3: teen who vanishes from her New Sweden home. The reward 671 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 3: talks fifteen thousand dollars. 672 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 2: Tom Green, I'm very surprised at their search dogs nor 673 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 2: cadaver dogs picked up a cent that tells me she 674 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 2: did leave the property, But how they don't have a 675 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 2: trail of her leaving exactly. 676 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 5: And you know that area, they're eighteen miles to the 677 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 5: crowflies about to the Canadian border. It is heavily wooded, chopped, 678 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 5: full of trails and roads for ATVs, not easily surveilled 679 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 5: from the sky. 680 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 6: That night it got down to forty one degrees. 681 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 5: All these things, the time delay, the temperature of the humidity, 682 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 5: all these things factor in with the dog's ability to 683 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 5: gather a scent, and the fact that they didn't get 684 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 5: a cent is obviously not good and could be an 685 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 5: indication that she left in some sort of motorized vehicle 686 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 5: or walked along a roadway, a paved roadway somewhere leaving 687 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 5: the area. 688 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 2: You know, the parents have been quoted as saying, everybody's 689 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 2: looking at them as having something to do with Stephanie's disappearance. 690 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: That's not uncommon. 691 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 2: The first place you look is at family and those 692 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 2: closest to the missing child. That in no way suggests 693 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 2: the parents are responsible for her disappearance, not at all. 694 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 2: That is where every investigation starts when there is a 695 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 2: missing person. Now regarding hearing a vehicle, they are quoted, 696 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 2: the family is quoted as saying they don't know if 697 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 2: it was a vehicle, a four wheel or a motorcycle, 698 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 2: and by the time anyone got to the road, the 699 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 2: vehicle was already gone. The mom also states that she 700 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 2: began looking immediately, going up and down the roads and everything, 701 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 2: because she Stephanie has done this before. I've been able 702 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 2: to find her in the past, but this time I 703 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 2: could not find her. Is that accurate, Alexis Tereschuk, That 704 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 2: is absolutely. 705 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 12: They said that she had a history of leaving the property, 706 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 12: running up they we'd call it running away, but she 707 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 12: didn't run away. She was just on their big property. 708 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 12: She was hiding in the woods, hiding in different places. 709 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 12: They always found her to come back, So that was 710 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 12: one of the reasons why they weren't as panicked as 711 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 12: if she had not had this history of doing this, 712 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 12: they would have said immediately, let's find her. But this 713 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 12: was something she had done before, so it didn't raise 714 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 12: a red flag for them right away. 715 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 2: Christy Ran, who has searched repeatedly for Stephanie. Christy, you 716 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 2: stated that their property backs up against a much bigger 717 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 2: and more densely wooded area. 718 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: Has that area been searched? It does. 719 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,919 Speaker 7: Volunteers have searched from their roadside all the way through 720 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 7: their property to the property line and then back to 721 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 7: the next parallel road. So any possibility that Stephanie had 722 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 7: taken any trail from their side of town to another 723 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 7: has been check. So is that we are definitely not 724 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 7: just looking at the parents. We're looking at every possibility. 725 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 2: And again that means nothing when we say we're looking 726 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 2: at the parents. 727 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: Of course, we're looking at the parents. 728 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 2: Everybody looks at the parents in the family first, and 729 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 2: then the investigation moves out out from there. Why because statistically, 730 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 2: very often, especially when the child is very young, like 731 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 2: a toddler, the family is responsible for the disappearance. That's 732 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 2: not to say that happened here. Take a listen to 733 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 2: Lieutenant Darren Karn with Main State Police. 734 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 21: Everything is still on the table for us, from her 735 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 21: simply being missing to run away to the worst situation 736 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 21: because we don't have any concrete leads or tips that 737 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 21: have led us basically in one direction or the other. 738 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 2: That's for our friends and New Center, Maine. Everyone is 739 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 2: being eyeballed. All scenarios are being researched. I'm curious about 740 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 2: what if any leaves came from Grandpa's flip phone, where 741 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 2: reportedly Stephanie had been on a dating site, if that 742 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 2: had anything to do with her disappearance, think about it. 743 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 2: When mom and dad leave to go to town to 744 00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 2: apply for this job, she gets grandpa's phone, has met 745 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 2: somebody online at just thirteen years old, and tries to 746 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 2: meet up with them. It's happened so many times before 747 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,760 Speaker 2: with tragic results. 748 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: We just don't know. 749 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 2: But what we do know is this thirteen year old 750 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 2: little girl is missing. If you know or think you 751 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 2: know anything about the whereabouts of Stephanie Damreun just thirteen 752 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 2: years old when she disappeared, please dial one eight hundred 753 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 2: call FBI one eight hundred two two five five. 754 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,479 Speaker 1: Three two four. 755 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 2: There is a fifteen thousand dollars reward that is climbing. 756 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalls. Goodbye friend,