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Speaker 2: So let's stake to some of the details about what

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Speaker 2: Elon is up to. And you know the disasters I

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Speaker 2: think they are recording. So Trump has repeated, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Trump really positioned himself as like a different kind of

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Speaker 2: Republican who's not going to be like the.

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Speaker 3: Tea Party, austerity.

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Speaker 2: Obsessed, deficit hawk, and he separated himself from the Republican primary,

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Speaker 2: you know, positioning himself as a populace who wouldn't touch

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Speaker 2: Social Security or Medicare in particular. And now you've got

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk, who is has been granted by Trump all

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Speaker 2: of this power within the administration.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would say that much more of the direction.

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Speaker 2: Of the administration has been Elon's ideology than Trump's ideology.

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Speaker 2: And Elon went on Joe Rogan's podcast for a lengthy

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Speaker 2: conversation and as part of that reiterated his attacks on

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Speaker 2: Social Security.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the govern's one big permit scheme. If

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Speaker 4: you ask me, yeah, well you can tell me social

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Speaker 4: Security is the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time.

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Speaker 5: Well, I explain that, oh.

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Speaker 4: So, well, people pay into social Security and the money

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Speaker 4: goes out of Social Security immediately, but the obligation for

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Speaker 4: social Security is your entire retirement career. So you're you're paying,

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Speaker 4: uh with you you're paying like like, if you look

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Speaker 4: at the future obligations of social Security, it far exceeds

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Speaker 4: the tax revenue far. If you ever looked at the debt,

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Speaker 4: the debt clock, Yes, okay, there's there's our present day debt,

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Speaker 4: but then there's a future obligations. So when you look

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Speaker 4: at the future obligations of social Security, the actual national

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Speaker 4: debt is like double what people think it is because

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Speaker 4: of the future obligations. So basically, people are living way

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Speaker 4: longer than expected, and there are fewer babies being born,

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Speaker 4: so you have more people who are retired and get

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Speaker 4: that live for a long time and get retirement payments,

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Speaker 4: so the future obligations. So how a bad the financial

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Speaker 4: situation is right now for the federal government, it will

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Speaker 4: be much worse in the future.

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Speaker 2: Simple fis you lift the cap so that rich people

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Speaker 2: have to pay more into social Security and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: just cut off at one five and then you would

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Speaker 2: be good to go with regard to social Security. But

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, this is Elon's ideology. He I

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Speaker 2: think it is accurate to say as an archo capitalist.

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Speaker 2: That means that he actually thinks every function of government

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Speaker 2: should be privatized. That's why he talks about things like

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Speaker 2: I think every government employee should take what he describes

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Speaker 2: as a more productive job in the private sector. As

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Speaker 2: Liz Franzac said on Twitter, though you have to love

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Speaker 2: the ideology in which social security is a Ponzi scheme

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Speaker 2: and meme coins our strategic asset.

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Speaker 6: I mean, that's what's insane about this is you have

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Speaker 6: a multi multi billionaire. Obviously, I mean, arguably the most

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Speaker 6: Sure in a teacher on a podcast laughing at social

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Speaker 6: security as a Ponzi scheme, and it gets to what

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Speaker 6: we were just talking about in the last block but reversed,

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Speaker 6: which is social security does have problems like this is

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Speaker 6: a quote from a Cato Institute analysis.

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Speaker 5: So obviously Cato Institute's.

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Speaker 6: Probably much more sympathetic with the anarcho capitalist than Milton

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Speaker 6: Friedman famously is called had called social security a Ponzi

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Speaker 6: scheme for decades, but in nineteen fifty there are about

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Speaker 6: sixteen workers paying into social caurit for every retiree. Today

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Speaker 6: that numbers dwindled to just two point seven workers per

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Speaker 6: four workers per retiree by twenty thirty five. So this

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Speaker 6: is a from a Cato Institute blog saying social security

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Speaker 6: Elon Musk get really comfortable tossing that around because it's

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Speaker 6: an ideological formulation of the right for.

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Speaker 2: Decades since the advent yes of social security.

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Speaker 6: And Milton Friedman again was like he's very much popularized

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Speaker 6: thinking of Social Security in this way, and there are

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Speaker 6: significant structural problems with social Security, But talking about it

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Speaker 6: on a podcast so flippantly, a multi multi billionaire, extremely

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Speaker 6: powerful person talking about it where he's almost giggling, is

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Speaker 6: not it? Like that is not the politics that Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump wants to advance for MAGA, Like that's like if

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Speaker 6: Steve Bannon were here watching this with us.

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Speaker 3: What, Yeah, yes, I would think so.

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Speaker 2: I mean, especially they're going to pass a four trillion

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Speaker 2: dollar tax cut for people like Elon Musko already. You know,

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Speaker 2: TESLA had multiple years where they paid zero dollar.

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Speaker 6: It's their top priority right now, Yes, at tax it

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Speaker 6: is their top priority.

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Speaker 3: As it was in the first administration.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and I mean in that way there's an

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Speaker 2: ideological carryover but from the first administration. But hey, if

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Speaker 2: you just took that four trillion dollars and put it

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Speaker 2: into the Social Security Trust Fund, I think would be

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Speaker 2: in good shape. But Bernie made, you know, a similar

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Speaker 2: point to what I was making, and put this up

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Speaker 2: on the screen just to lay on some of the

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Speaker 2: numbers here he says, wrong, Elon social Security has paid

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Speaker 2: every benefit ode to every eligible American for eighty six years,

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Speaker 2: we can make it, solve it for the next seventy

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Speaker 2: five years, and expand benefits by scrapping the cap that

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Speaker 2: allows billionaires like you to pay the same amount into

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Speaker 2: Social Security as a truck driver. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the specter of having this man who aspires to be

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Speaker 2: the first trillionaire, who, as you said, is probably the

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Speaker 2: most powerful person who ever walked the face of the planet,

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Speaker 2: steering at the most successful social safety net program and

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Speaker 2: the most popular social safety net program in the history

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Speaker 2: of America that has lifted literally millions and tens of

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Speaker 2: millions of people out of poverty, is just I mean, it.

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Speaker 3: Is just disgusting.

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Speaker 2: It is just disgusting, And nobody needs me to tell

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Speaker 2: them that.

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Speaker 3: Like, there is a visceral reaction.

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Speaker 2: To seeing this all gark plutocrat who is plundering the

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Speaker 2: government saying we don't have money. We've got money for,

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Speaker 2: you know, endless wars, We've got money for my four

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Speaker 2: trillion dollar tax cut, but we don't have money for

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Speaker 2: grammar social Security check.

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Speaker 3: Like, get out in here.

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Speaker 6: With that super bad I mean, just the super bad politics.

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Speaker 6: And they're about to I think see that more and

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Speaker 6: more show up and polling, and the more that Elon

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Speaker 6: genuinely problematic for them because they've actually really tried. We

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Speaker 6: were talking yesterday as were prepping for the show, like

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Speaker 6: what did Project twenty twenty five have to say about

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Speaker 6: social security? And went back and looked because I remembered

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Speaker 6: vaguely in my mind being like they had done something

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Speaker 6: that was sort of new right e meaning like not

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Speaker 6: in The reason I remembered that is because it basically

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Speaker 6: doesn't talk about social security. Talks about social security in

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Speaker 6: a couple of different programs like in the through the

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Speaker 6: lens of abortion, and that's sort of thing, but there's

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Speaker 6: no like big plan for social security, which is fascinating

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Speaker 6: because if this were still Paul Ryan's Republican Party, that

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Speaker 6: would have been a focal point Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 6: But the reason that it wasn't is that people on

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Speaker 6: the right have said, you're allowed to still believe this stuff,

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Speaker 6: like that's just turn the volume down, like let's see,

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Speaker 6: you know, like we're we may have to do all

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Speaker 6: of these tweaks to social security at some point and

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Speaker 6: I'm of the perspective that, like, they're desperately structural changes

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Speaker 6: that have to happen in Social Security, but politically Trump

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Speaker 6: world has said, like, you guys got to turn down

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Speaker 6: the volume on that. We cannot be out here talking

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Speaker 6: about it. You can do that in ten or fifteen years,

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Speaker 6: you can't do it right now. And then you have

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Speaker 6: Elon Musk going out on Rogan and Big like it's

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Speaker 6: a Ponzi scheme. And then you can't explain why it's

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Speaker 6: a Ponzi scheme with any like persuasive answer that would

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Speaker 6: resonate with average Americans, who, to your point, are going

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Speaker 6: to see Grandma's Social Security cut or are going.

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Speaker 5: To worry about that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's good luck well and the worries are

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Speaker 2: already here. I can put this up on the screens.

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Speaker 2: Do is just making massive cuts to Social Security administration.

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Speaker 2: They're saying they planned to cut some seven thousand jobs.

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Speaker 2: The number I saw was that this was like roughly

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Speaker 2: half the workforce that they're planning on cutting. Some of

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Speaker 2: those cuts have already come. Ryan actually tweeted on a

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Speaker 2: list of some of the people who have already been fired,

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Speaker 2: and they have names like Regional commissioner for New York,

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Speaker 6: So and Ryan confirmed that they actually were fired because

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Speaker 6: sort of part ways. Yeah, but Ryan confirmed with his

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I saw a bunch of local newspapers

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Speaker 2: local Social Security offices are being shuttered. And you know,

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Speaker 2: these are really important resources for if you have some

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Speaker 2: sort of an issue with Social Security and you know

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Speaker 2: that's your local resource that you go to. And to

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Speaker 2: see those shuttered again to your point about how these

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Speaker 2: Among like some you know Ukraine flag.

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Speaker 2: These are really across the country in critical ways that

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Speaker 2: like that they have a regional commissioner so that things

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Speaker 2: are courting disaster to think. Listen, we know when Elon

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Speaker 2: came in and slashed and burn Twitter, things broke, things

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Speaker 2: still bring. I can't my dms aren't working on my

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Speaker 2: it's like, oh well, whatever, I'll just get them later,

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Speaker 2: I'll do it on my laptop, et cetera. When it's

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Speaker 2: your Social Security check, it's a little bit more important,

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Speaker 2: or when it's airplanes falling out of the sky, it's

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Speaker 2: a little more important.

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Speaker 3: When it's food.

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Speaker 2: Safety and we don't have the regulators to be able

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Speaker 2: baby formula where we've already had issue in the past,

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Speaker 2: these things are more consequential and there is not the

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Speaker 2: same margin for error of like, oh oops, are Ron

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Speaker 2: de Santis spaces was a total and complete disaster, but

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Speaker 2: no one's going to die from that.

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Speaker 6: To be fair, your Twitter dms they're probably hacked by Masade,

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Speaker 6: is probably not El's.

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Speaker 2: Also I read that some doge Shaffer is like figuring

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Speaker 3: Of these tokens.

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Speaker 2: So that you know, insiders can cash in, which that

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Speaker 2: already appears like that is happening, and so that a

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Speaker 2: bunch of billionaires can cash on their holdings. I mean,

443
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Speaker 2: it is a classic pump and dump, but using you know,

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Speaker 2: federal garment resources in order to do that, and coming

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Speaker 2: at the same time is they're like, we got to

446
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Speaker 2: cut Social Security. Like it's just it's totally insane. I

447
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Speaker 2: almost don't have words for it.

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Speaker 6: This is a genuine problem for Sacks, and one that

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Speaker 6: he anticipated because he says he divested all of his

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Speaker 6: crypto holdings before taking government office. But what's interesting about that?

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Speaker 6: And Ryan pointed this out and asked him about it

452
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Speaker 6: on X and I'm curious what you make of this,

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Speaker 6: because I mean, it seems like if you were someone

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Speaker 6: who's been into crypto for years and you're a major

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Speaker 6: stakeholder in the crypto world, you would probably have the

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Speaker 6: investments that you just outlined, Like it's not it's not

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Speaker 6: surprising that that's where Trump went with the Reserve, and

458
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Speaker 6: that's somebody who isn't like, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 6: it seems to me like that genuinely coincidence wouldn't be

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Speaker 6: the right word. Just sort of it's a logical place

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Speaker 6: where your money would be parked. And I think that

462
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Speaker 6: speaks to the bigger problem with having a cryptos are

463
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Speaker 6: is that his companies, right and correct me, like this

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Speaker 6: is I know you're more into this than im, but

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Speaker 6: he's companies where the companies are invested obviously in crypto

466
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Speaker 6: doesn't matter if you divest, but if your companies are

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Speaker 6: invested in crypto, and we don't know that he's divested

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Speaker 6: from those companies, I sort of.

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Speaker 5: Doubt he's divested from this company. Correct. Yeah, it seems

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Speaker 5: like a huge, huge problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And then I mean, also the other problem is that

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Speaker 2: who knew in advance which coins were going to be

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Speaker 2: pumped up by this thing? And you know, someone noted

475
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Speaker 2: there was a position that was taken fifty times leverage

476
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Speaker 2: the tune of two hundred million dollar long, and I

477
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Speaker 2: think it was a Theoreum and bitcoin.

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Speaker 6: Well, to me, it seems fairly obvious that the reserves

479
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Speaker 6: would be ethereum bitcoin like some of the ones that

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Speaker 6: are in there, which sort of but it's like.

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Speaker 2: The timing exactly, so this position was taken a day

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Speaker 2: before the announcement and fifty times leverage means that if

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Speaker 2: there was a two percent drop, all of those millions

484
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Speaker 2: gone wiped down, two hundred million dollar loss. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: you're telling me that person didn't know, Like, come on,

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Speaker 2: and it's not just this like this is unbelievably naked.

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Speaker 3: Just theft of the public resources.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, there's zero strategic reason why we need

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Speaker 2: to hold these important, meaningless Ponzi scheme quote unquote assets, right,

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Speaker 2: zero justification for that whatsoever, Nothing that makes sense at all.

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Speaker 2: But you also have a situation where you know, one

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Speaker 2: individual who was being investigated by the SEC bought a

493
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Speaker 2: bunch of Trump shit coin posted publicly about it too.

494
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Speaker 2: I think it was the largest you know, purchase of

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Speaker 2: these tokens and investment in this in his like crypto scam.

496
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Speaker 2: And then oh lo and behold that scene, seed drop

497
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Speaker 2: their investigation the vehicle to just outright bribe Trump through

498
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Speaker 2: his crypto coin. I mean, this is listen, a politicis

499
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 2: has been corrupt since the beginning of time, nothing new

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Speaker 2: about that. But this is a world historic level of

501
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Speaker 2: theft and graft and just brazen pay to play corruption

502
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Speaker 2: that has been enabled by crypto And this is just

503
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Speaker 2: like the latest iteration of that who puts C ten

504
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Speaker 2: up on the screen that has the details about this

505
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Speaker 2: Chinese crypto entrepreneur guy named Justin Sun. So they halted

506
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Speaker 2: the fraud prosecution of this Chinese national who sent Trump

507
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Speaker 2: millions and bragged about it, so that to make sure

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Speaker 2: he knew that he had invested thirty million dollars in

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Speaker 2: these crypto tokens, so I was.

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Speaker 3: Paying off for him.

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Speaker 2: CEO of Coinbase also benefited the SECS, dismissing their lawsuit.

512
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Speaker 2: That move came after Coinbase boosted Trump's crypto meme coin,

513
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: donated seventy five million to a pro Trump superpack, and

514
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 2: chipped in a million dollars to Trump's inauguration celebration. So

515
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 2: presidency just completely for sale by these Robert barons.

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Speaker 6: Well, and I think in the corruption front, I was

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Speaker 6: going to say this earlier about Elon Muskin Starlink. Part

518
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Speaker 6: of the problem with all of this right now is

519
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Speaker 6: that there's this They do have a sincere ideological not

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Speaker 6: always sincere like Trump's.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it is sincere.

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Speaker 6: I don't think he sincerely gives a damn about crypto

523
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Speaker 6: because he said it was a scam and then it

524
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Speaker 6: could undermine the US dollar and you have to is

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Speaker 6: the same thing with him in TikTok, right, Like it

526
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Speaker 6: was pretty nakedly transactional. Now his opinion on it flipped.

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Speaker 6: Elon Musk has a sincere ideological belief. We were talking

528
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Speaker 6: about his sort of like anarcho capitalism flirtation before in crypto,

529
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Speaker 6: like he really does believe in it, and so then

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Speaker 6: and David Sack certainly does legitimately believe in crypto, and

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Speaker 6: so then you have this You're just sort of being

532
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Speaker 6: asked to trust that this is all for the good

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Speaker 6: of this like ideological argument and not self dealing. And

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Speaker 6: with starlink gets interesting because starlink is a very cool technology.

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Speaker 6: It's an awesome product, and it may be the best

536
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Speaker 6: for the FAA. We don't know though, that it's because

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Speaker 6: it has the best It has the best argument to

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Speaker 6: the FAA forgetting this contract. In the same way that like, well,

539
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Speaker 6: how is anyone supposed to believe that this is genuinely

540
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Speaker 6: the right move for the strategic reserve and not self dealing?

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Speaker 6: You then just have to put your trust in Trump

542
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Speaker 6: Elon in this case, David Sacks and David Sachs will

543
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Speaker 6: will have this ideological reasoning give all these explanations, but

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Speaker 6: it's really hard. You're just asking the public to say, yes,

545
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Speaker 6: I trust that this was not about your portfolio, even

546
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Speaker 6: though the public has seen that happen for decades. And

547
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Speaker 6: that's what Trump is a response to, Yeah, seeing that

548
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Speaker 6: happen for he said, I alone know the system.

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Speaker 5: I think the system, and Ilon contix it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Trump and Elon have a lot of like theoretical

551
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Speaker 2: ideological divergences. The way that Trump positioned himself certainly in

552
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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen but somewhat at this time as well, and

553
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Speaker 2: the way Elon, you know.

554
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Speaker 3: Portrays his ideology.

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Speaker 2: But in just their commitment to theft of the public verse,

556
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Speaker 2: they are completely united. And I do think that that

557
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: is one of the most important like operating ideological commitments

558
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: that you can see throughout this administration. Elon's primary goal,

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Speaker 2: I think he wants to be the world's for australionaire,

560
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: and he wants to use government money, our public taxpayer

561
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Speaker 2: dollars to fund SpaceX so he can.

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Speaker 3: Get to Mars.

563
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Speaker 5: Like he wants to go to Mars.

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Speaker 2: He wants to plunder the government so he can go

565
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Speaker 2: to Mars. That's that's his primary operative goal. And if

566
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: that means Grandma's going to starve, and that means kids

567
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: in Africa and doesn't matter, that's his goal. Okay, just

568
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: braisen theft of the public government, public purse so that

569
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Speaker 2: he can go to Mars. Trump wants to be wealthy

570
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Speaker 2: on the tune of like an Elon Musk. I mean,

571
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Speaker 2: Trump is obviously incredibly rich guy, but he's not like

572
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk to Peter Teel right, well.

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Speaker 6: And that was debated too. I mean, what Trump's actual

574
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Speaker 6: network was before these these coins, as you did a

575
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Speaker 6: great tik talk on how there's a few whales who

576
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 6: are at least as the time you did that TikTok,

577
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Speaker 6: we're holding the Trump coin. That's another example of like

578
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Speaker 6: we legitimately do not know if he knows who they are, Like,

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Speaker 6: we don't know who they are. We know the like

580
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 6: one or two of them are, but we don't know

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Speaker 6: who they are. We don't know anything about that, and

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Speaker 6: we don't know if he knows who they are. Yeah,

583
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 6: so then you're just being asked to trust that Trump's

584
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 6: net worth was jacked up as he was entering office

585
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 6: anonymously by people who were just trying to make money,

586
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Speaker 6: and it was like a baseball card deal.

587
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Speaker 5: It was just really good. Yeah.

588
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Speaker 2: Well, and by having this shitcoin, anyone, whether it's the

589
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 2: you know, Chinese crypto dude or anyone else, can just

590
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: funnel millions of dollars into it, some portion of which

591
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: go directly into Trump's pocket to get their way with

592
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: the government, right, so you know, he's robbing us. And

593
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: then you know, the whole foreign policy direction of we're

594
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: going to take Greenland, We're going to take Gaza, We're

595
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: going to do you know, we're going to take half

596
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Speaker 2: of Ukraine or whatever, like that's all about his you know,

597
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: benefit for his family and Elon Musk as well, but

598
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: a whole cadre of all dark billionaires who can you know,

599
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: also rob those countries and benefit themselves as well. So

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Speaker 2: it's a pretty consistent commitment across the government and certainly

601
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: helps helps us to understand you know, all this wired

602
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: Trump and Elon able to get along.

603
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: So well, and why hasn't there.

604
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: Been a falling out, like because they both have a

605
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: commitment to you know, stripping the government for parts and

606
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: exploiting whatever they can in order to enrich themselves and

607
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: pursue their own goals.

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Speaker 3: But I think their common commitment.

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Speaker 2: To theft of the public purse is a bond that

610
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: they share and part of what is keeping that relationship together.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I think Trump's primary concern right now is his

612
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Speaker 6: like historical legacy, and where those two things depart will

613
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Speaker 6: be interesting.

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Speaker 3: So do you think he cares?

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Speaker 5: I think he.

616
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Speaker 6: Cares that he will be looked at as like a

617
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Speaker 6: great walking around having his people call himself, to call

618
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 6: him the peacemaker in chief.

619
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Speaker 5: Like I think he.

620
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Speaker 6: Does at this point care about how history sees him,

621
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Speaker 6: and that's dangerous because it gets to, you know, just posturing,

622
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 6: and every president does that. But like to what extent

623
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 6: is this going to just be a public real campaign?

624
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 6: Like is the presidency going to be a public relations campaign.

625
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 6: I think what he cared about first was leaving office

626
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Speaker 6: with money so that he has that covered. You know,

627
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 6: he doesn't want to go to prison, So there's that too.

628
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Speaker 6: That could factor into the conversation about potential third term.

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Speaker 6: As Bannon I think sadly is pushing, but I think

630
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 6: he wants to be perceived as someone who healed the country.

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Speaker 6: I think he desperately wants to be perceived that way,

632
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Speaker 6: and I think where that departs with Elon Musk is

633
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Speaker 6: going to be a problem for Trump.

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Speaker 5: And but what we've.

635
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Speaker 6: Seen so far is that it hasn't been to your

636
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 6: point about the money, Yeah, So, I mean it's a

637
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 6: he really cares about the optics. That's why he's obsessed

638
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 6: with polling and obsessed with how he wont to mandate

639
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 6: in the popular vote and all of that. So Elon

640
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 6: could could potentially be a problem to that down the road.

641
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 6: But you know, even even when we've seen breaks so

642
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 6: far in public perception of Elon Musk, Trump is not

643
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 6: this gets your theory right, Trump has not departed from him.

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00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 6: Former Biden House Press Secretary Korean Jean Pierre, out of

647
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 6: that job for only about what a month now, was

648
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 6: at the Harvard Institute of Politics last week and made

649
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 6: some comments about the Democratic Party's push to oust Joe

650
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 6: Biden from the ticket that have gone viral and are

651
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 6: well worth getting Crystal's reaction too, and diving into some

652
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 6: of the problems or how they speak to some of

653
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 6: the broader problems that a Democratic Party is facing right now.

654
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Speaker 6: So let's take a listen to Korean Jean Pierre again,

655
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Speaker 6: this is from last Wednesday at the Harvard Institute of Politics.

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Speaker 7: Was a firing squad and I had never seen anything

657
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Speaker 7: like it before. I'd never seen a party do that

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Speaker 7: in the way that they did, and it was hurtful

659
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Speaker 7: and sad to see that happening, A firing squad around

660
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Speaker 7: a person who I believe was a true patriot, a

661
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Speaker 7: person who I believe did everything that he can for

662
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Speaker 7: this country, a person who I believe, as I mentioned before,

663
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Speaker 7: has done more in his in one turn than most

664
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Speaker 7: president had done in two term, historical things, and I

665
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Speaker 7: was shocked.

666
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Speaker 5: But what I was.

667
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Speaker 6: Seeing, and Korean, you're just to clarify other Democrats coming

668
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 6: out against Biden, yep, I.

669
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Speaker 5: Had never seen anything like that.

670
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 8: That was if you're asking me the thing that I

671
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 8: saw in those three weeks, that was shocking, shocking, and

672
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 8: instead of coming together to really be unified and trying

673
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 8: to figure out how do we save our democracy, how

674
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Speaker 8: do we fight back?

675
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Speaker 5: That's what I was seeing, Chris.

676
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Speaker 6: So I know you have a lot to say about that.

677
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 6: I'm going to toss it to you. With just the

678
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 6: response to Kurdin, Jean Pirez, that man. Do you know

679
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 6: what I've never seen is a president who is basically

680
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 6: dead continuing to try and run for president again. So

681
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 6: to her saying, I've never seen anything like the firing squad.

682
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 6: It was like he fell asleep during a debate. Practically

683
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 6: he beat me Mediga Medica, I'm sorry, but nobody has

684
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 6: ever seen what precipitated what you say you've never seen,

685
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 6: so maybe it's not so crazy that we.

686
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 5: Had never seen that level of firing squad before.

687
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I don't even know what to say, Like,

688
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: I don't know you were part of a historic scandal

689
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: and cover up of this man's decline if you care

690
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: so much, and I don't think that she really does.

691
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: I mean, and that's part of it, Like if you

692
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: actually cared about defeating Donald Trump and riding the ship,

693
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: you should have been blowing the whistle and letting us

694
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: in on the fact that this man could not function,

695
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 2: that he was unable to put sentences together. That I mean,

696
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: the things that are starting that have been coming out

697
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: after the fact about how oblivious he was to the

698
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: political reality as well, about how many donors who would

699
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: just see him at one event and you were with him,

700
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: you know, day in and day out, donors would see

701
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: him at one event and be like, holy hell, this

702
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: is worse than I thought. And so for you to

703
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: sit here and play the victim and act like the

704
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: people who were in the wrong were the ones that finally,

705
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 2: at long last acknowledged reality and were like, Jesus Christ,

706
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 2: this cannot go on is just insane to me. It's

707
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: also insane to me, like I'm sorry to treat her

708
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: with such kid gloves, like to host her and let

709
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: her Oh my god, my feelings and it was so

710
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: shocking and it was so terrible. Blah blah blah, Like

711
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 2: she needs to be treated as someone who was part

712
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Speaker 2: of a conspiracy against the American people.

713
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Speaker 5: She's been touted out at Harvard.

714
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Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, she was part of a conspiracy against

715
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Speaker 2: the American people. They helped to, you know, block any

716
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Speaker 2: sort of a democratic primary process from playing out. They hid,

717
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: They went to great lengths that we are only beginning

718
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: to scratch the surface of to hide the nature of

719
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: his true condition. And that you feel no remorse or

720
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: regret about that, your old concern, your only criticism is

721
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 2: for again the people who very belatedly were like Jesus Christ,

722
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: we cannot hide from this reality anymore. Like that is

723
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: so insane to me, And I do think it speaks

724
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: to just like a deep lack of seriousness and a

725
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: deep narcissism within some of these people, where it was

726
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: more important about how her boss felt and the way

727
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: he was treated and you know, his own ambitions than

728
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: addressing what you know, you she probably would describe and

729
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 2: what I certainly describe as a fascist.

730
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Speaker 3: Threat to the country.

731
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Speaker 2: So I just it's incredible to me that this is

732
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: still the way that she's sort of like positioning herself. Oh,

733
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 2: it was so heartful, hurtful, it was so shocking. Also,

734
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: the whitewashing of Biden's record is should should not be

735
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: unnoted as well. She says he accomplished historical things. Yeah,

736
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: like you know, facilitating a genocide and Gaza as one

737
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: example of those historical things that he was up to.

738
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Speaker 2: And and I supported very much parts of that domestic agenda,

739
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: especially in the early days of the Biden administration. But

740
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: you also have to grapple with the reality that, you know,

741
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: the economy took a turn, people were not happy, people

742
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: were not satisfied with what you were able to accomplish

743
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: even on the domestic front, putting aside foreign affairs and

744
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: Biden's core promise that he ran on in twenty and

745
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: twenty and was planning on running again in twenty twenty four,

746
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: was defeating Donald Trump.

747
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: And on that measure, you failed.

748
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: You handed the White House back to him on a

749
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: silver platter. So you should be hanging your head in shame.

750
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Speaker 2: And I know it's cliche to say, but with her,

751
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 2: I really do feel like what happened to you? Because

752
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: I knew her back at MSMB. She came out of

753
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: the like move on activist, anti war world, and every

754
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: day when I would see her up there justifying these atrocities.

755
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 3: In Goz, it was just like, how does this occur?

756
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: Like what is the path that you walked that led

757
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: you to feel that this was not only just she

758
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 2: thinks she has the moral high ground.

759
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: She still thinks that she is.

760
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: Like the more virtuous, morally correct one, and I just

761
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: I just can't run my head around it, honestly.

762
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Speaker 6: And it's first and foremost a rebuke of the crowd

763
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 6: that she came out of. And that's a really interesting point.

764
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Speaker 3: Actually, Yeah, that's exactly right.

765
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because she she came out of like the activist community, right,

766
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: And I think, I think once you start to justify, well,

767
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: this is just what I have to do for my career,

768
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: and if it wasn't me, it'd be somewhere one else,

769
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, then you end up at the podium,

770
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: you know, justifying war crimes and atrocities, and you end

771
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: up here after the fact being upset that people pointed

772
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: out the reality that the president was, you know, too

773
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: old to be functional at this point, right.

774
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Speaker 6: So it's this, It's it's how the It's very common.

775
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 6: It's not just on the left. But you see the

776
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 6: ends justify the means, meaning to a certain extent, you

777
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 6: start believing in the means, like it's right. So it's

778
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 6: one thing to be like, you know X. But there

779
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 6: was never any cracks in the foundation when it came

780
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 6: to her, apparently, like when we didn't see anything leaked,

781
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 6: she didn't indicate there was any daylight between herself and

782
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 6: the present. She was a real loyal foot soldier to

783
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 6: the point where it seems like she was in the

784
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 6: camp of like now, agreeing with the means, not just

785
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 6: that the means justify the end. But we have to

786
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 6: talk about this sort of glimmer of hope. I think

787
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 6: for Democrats. Governor of Minnesota, Governor Tim Waltz, who is

788
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 6: a slightly more compelling politician than he was allowed to

789
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 6: be on the campaign trail, significantly more so.

790
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 5: He goes on Malli Jong Fast podcast.

791
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Speaker 6: It starts to talk about Man, I'm really eager to

792
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 6: talk about this because it reminds me a lot of

793
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 6: what Republicans have dealt with over the last ten years.

794
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Speaker 6: Crystal about single payer healthcare. Yeah, let's roll this clip

795
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 6: of Tim Waalts on Mallijrong Fast podcast. It's a full

796
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 6: recollection of sort of went wrong or reconsideration of what

797
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 6: went wrong in twenty twenty four. But here's what he

798
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Speaker 6: had to say, particularly about healthcare.

799
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Speaker 9: I hear the thing out there is is that when

800
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Speaker 9: we get back, which we will fight, I'll tell you

801
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 9: what people are going to expect is they're not going

802
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 9: to expect us to tinkle around the edge with the ACA.

803
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 9: They're going to expect universal health care. And if there's

804
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 9: a lesson here, I always said this, we had a

805
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 9: one vote majority in Minnesota. When we move clean energy,

806
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 9: we move reproductive rights, we moved. We moved a whole

807
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 9: slew of progressive, very popular including things around guns and

808
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 9: gun safety, very popular things. We moved it with a

809
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 9: one vote majority, and people ask, well, what do you

810
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 9: call a one vote majority? A majority?

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Speaker 6: Exactly what happened with the Tea Party, Crystal, except in reverse.

812
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 6: They did not expect Republicans to just tinker around the

813
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Speaker 6: edges of the ACA. They wanted a full repeal, but

814
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Speaker 6: when Republicans had nothing to replace it with, they lost

815
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Speaker 6: the permission structure. From as you know, people have pointed

816
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Speaker 6: out a lot of like populist conservatives who rely on

817
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Speaker 6: the government for some of their health insurance, veterans, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: And so when you.

819
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Speaker 6: Have these populist movements spring up for good reason, your

820
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 6: response can't the crony capitalism and corporate bullshit. Yeah, And

821
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Speaker 6: I think that's the point that Walts is making here.

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Speaker 2: I think he has better instincts political instincts than the

823
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 2: vast majority of democratic politicians. And you're absolutely right that

824
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: he was really sort of stifled on the campaign. I

825
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: think there was a fear maybe of him overshadowing Kamala.

826
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Speaker 2: He did very poorly. Also in the JD vance debate,

827
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Speaker 2: like we have to say he you know, this was

828
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Speaker 2: way too accommodating. I mean, it just was not the

829
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Speaker 2: not the way to go. In fairness, he did say

830
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Speaker 2: going in like debating is not my things though that's

831
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Speaker 2: apparently a weakness for him. But you know, he auditioned

832
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: for the campaign on cable dues, where he was fantastic.

833
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: He had a real instinct of how to characterize the

834
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Speaker 2: Trump administration as like abnormal versus reaching for the high

835
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Speaker 2: moralistic language of their fascists, et cetera, which obviously I

836
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: agree that they are, but I do think that politically

837
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: his way of just saying, like, these people are strange,

838
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: they're outside of the mainstream, like this is not the

839
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 2: direction we should be going in, I think was probably

840
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: the better direction. And he just was a very effective

841
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: and relatable messenger when he was allowed to do so.

842
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: And I think his instinct here is precisely correct and

843
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: speaks to what you were saying, Emily, which is, like,

844
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Speaker 2: you know, Democrats have always supported if you ask Democrats,

845
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: overwhelming majority supports single pairer like this has always been

846
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: what Democratic base voters have wanted. In that twenty twenty primary,

847
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: when in whether it was Mississippi or Nevada. When you

848
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: ask Democratic primary voters do you prefer to, you know,

849
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: a public option or some other variation of healthcare reform

850
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 2: versus single pairer, they backed Bernie Sanders Medicare for all.

851
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Speaker 3: And at this point it's like, Okay, well, we tried

852
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: it your way.

853
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: We did the Joe Biden thing, we did the Kamala

854
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: Harris thing, and you were wrong that this was the

855
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: way to defeat Donald Trump. You were wrong that this

856
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: was the way to stop the country from sliding into

857
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: you know, oligarchy and authoritarianism. So we're not going to

858
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: listen to you anymore. Like this time, we have our

859
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: own ideas about how we want to approach things. And

860
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: I think his instinct that a more sort of passionate

861
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: and someone who is more of a fighter and who

862
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: is more willing to embrace those kind of universalist programs

863
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: that are really popular, things that are popular among the

864
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: Democratic base are going to be in a much better

865
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: position next time around.

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Speaker 6: Now this is where it gets even more interesting, because

867
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Speaker 6: I think's Third Way selectively leaked to this document to Politico.

868
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 6: But Politico got its hands on a document from a

869
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 6: third Way retreat that happened out in Louding County. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: if you're not familiar with Third Way, they're openly center left.

871
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 6: They're not trying to be the activist the representation of

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00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 6: like the Democratic activist grassroots. In fact, they're openly sort

873
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 6: of rejecting the direction of the party of the activist grassroots.

874
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Speaker 6: But we can put the next element up on the screen.

875
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 6: This is a document that was leaked to Politico from

876
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 6: that retreat about how Democrats can regain working class trust

877
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 6: quote and reconnect with voters culturally. They laid out twenty

878
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 6: solutions and crystal. It's so fascinating because some of this

879
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 6: is right on the mark, it was right on the target,

880
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 6: like the quote faculty lounge program, but some of it

881
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 6: is so incoherent, like their prescriptions on the faculty lounge

882
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 6: problem are incoherent with their point about economic concerns, because

883
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 6: you'll have much better thoughts on this than I do.

884
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 6: But just as I'm thinking about some of these prescriptions,

885
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 6: it's very heavily about the problems with identity politics, which

886
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 6: is again funny from the center left, which completely encouraged,

887
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 6: I mean, all of the corporate sponsorships of identity politics

888
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 6: and you go back over the last ten years.

889
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 5: So it's amusing right now. Now.

890
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 6: On the other hand, though, they are talking about how

891
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 6: democracy again like re emphasize the economy, like tone down

892
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 6: the volume on the cultural issues, turn up the volume

893
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 6: on the economy. But they're also talking about isolating the

894
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 6: far left. And this is the problem, as I see,

895
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 6: if your Democrats, the far left economics are more appealing

896
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 6: than the center left's economics. So if you alienate the

897
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 6: quote unquote far left, which actually does represent where the

898
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 6: public is and a lot of economic.

899
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 5: Issues social security is one really good examples.

900
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 6: We were talking about earlier, healthcare another good example.

901
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 5: If you alienate the quote.

902
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 6: Far left because of the cultural messaging, you are left

903
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 6: with what like Obamanomics, which is also not popular. So

904
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 6: like what do you in this documents has reduce far

905
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 6: left influence and infrastructure.

906
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 5: That's one of the bullet points.

907
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you're going to be screwed on your economics

908
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 6: if you do that because you were center quote center

909
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 6: left economics are not popular.

910
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that's those are those are good points.

911
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: I mean, they really give away the game here when

912
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 2: they say that the goal should be to move away

913
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: from the dominance of small dollar donors whose preferences may

914
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: not align with the broader electorate.

915
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: You think the big.

916
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: Donors preferences are aligned with the broader electorate, Like tax

917
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: cuts for the rich and you know, cutting Social Security

918
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: A and union busting, those are the priorities of the

919
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: big dollar donors, or you know, backing Israel's war crimes

920
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: from here until eternity. You think that's what's aligned with

921
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: the broader electorate. I mean, that's what really gives up

922
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: the game here. Because it's all well and good, all

923
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: week should focus on economic solutions. What economic solutions like

924
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: you know, salt tax type of bulshit exactly because I

925
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: promise you they don't mean expanding social security and single

926
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: payer healthcare and you know, union jobs and living wages.

927
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Speaker 3: They don't mean that.

928
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: So the other piece of this that is just maddening

929
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: to me is again it pretends like the Bernie Sanders

930
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: left has been in control of this party.

931
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 3: They're not.

932
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: They have very limited power, very limited power in this party.

933
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: And that is precisely the problem. Like there was a

934
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: populist left answer to trump Ism that made sense to

935
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: people that appealed to the very bros who have now

936
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: drifted to the right that appealed even to Joe Rogan,

937
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: that appealed massively. I mean, Bernie Sanders was king among

938
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: working class Latinos. Again, the same groups that have drifted

939
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: to the right that had a narrative that the Sanders

940
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: left populist movement had a narrative and a class focus

941
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: that made sense to people because it was true and

942
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: it was real, and it offered actual solutions. And your

943
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: efforts over these years, this group, in particular, efforts over

944
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: the years to crush and sideline that movement is one

945
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: of the key reasons why Democrats find themselves in the

946
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: place that they are now. So to act like you

947
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 2: haven't been in control of this party while you're running,

948
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, Kamala Harris is to me so utterly insane

949
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: and dishonest that it's crazy. But like I said, even

950
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: if you you know, might agree with their sort of

951
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: vague generalities about like oh, they need to get out

952
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: into real communities, which is funny to me that those

953
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 2: real communities include gunshops.

954
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 6: Like hell yeah, also good luck, I mean seriously good.

955
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: Luck, right, Like yeah, I don't think you're going to

956
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: be winning a lot of voters of the gun show.

957
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: But whatever, go to the gun show. That's fine if

958
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: you want to. But even if you agree with these

959
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: sort of like vague generalities, when they're talking about getting

960
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: in touch with economic issues, they are not talking about

961
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: the actual economics that would deliver for people that the

962
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: quote unquote far left has been offering for years and years.

963
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: They're talking about an elite agenda backed by big money politics,

964
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: which is precisely why Democrats had no trust with the

965
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: voters when they claim to be the party of the

966
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: working class.

967
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 6: It's really disgusting to see how elite Dems and massive

968
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 6: corporations that were funding elite Dems got behind the identity

969
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 6: politics agenda when it was convenient for them, and are

970
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 6: now taking these issues and just completely discarding them. It's

971
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 6: a great example of how people are like toys.

972
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: Right.

973
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 6: It's like we're on the Truman Show and they're running everything.

974
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 6: It's a big experiment on us, and they're just like

975
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 6: pulling the puppet strings. Like from my perspective as a conservative,

976
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 6: and I'm like, okay, so you guys did all of

977
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 6: this bullshit to girls' sports, and now you're taking a

978
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 6: step back and being like, hey, no, no, no, we

979
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 6: gotta we got to get our power back. And it's like,

980
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 6: give me a break. You were just your It's just

981
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 6: we're all players in your fun little game. Yeah, and

982
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 6: you'll you'll give all this money.

983
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: And you'll call people bigots, and you will.

984
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 6: It's like when there's that famous moment at a Bernie

985
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 6: Sanders rally in twenty sixteen where a BLM group overtook

986
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 6: the stage and started protesting him. And what we saw

987
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 6: after that was the Hillary Clinton campaign start weaponizing this

988
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 6: as a wedge issue and going after the Bernie bros

989
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 6: And saying people were bigoted form backing Bernie, they were

990
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 6: just sexists and just completely weaponizing it, and it became

991
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 6: the dominant ideology of the Democratic Party and now they

992
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 6: just want to get rid of it.

993
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for growing us all.

994
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: You were not the ones who originated this as a

995
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: way to pretend like Bernie Sanders was a racist and

996
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: a sexist and pop like you were the real.

997
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 6: Programs and his supporters were racists and sex That's right,

998
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 6: And the same thing with Trump supporters were necessarily all

999
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 6: racists and sexists. They played this game with the country

1000
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 6: where they poured gasoline on the fire of the culture war,

1001
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 6: and now they're acting like as it burns, they're like,

1002
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 6: oh man, wa, you guys are really bad. Can you

1003
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 6: guys deal with putting those flames out?

1004
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 5: It's such bullshit.

1005
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean you can also see the nakedness

1006
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 2: of it with the way that all these corporations, whether's

1007
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg, like, you know, they adopted

1008
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: the the like liberal identity framing when that was the

1009
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: power that they thought was ascendant, and now that they

1010
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: feel like the right wing is ascendant, well they'll just

1011
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 2: ditch that and they'll adopt the right wing cultural totems

1012
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 2: to also cover for what is fundamentally a pro oligarchic agenda.

1013
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: I mean that's Mark Andresen going on with Joe Rogan

1014
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: being like the CFPB is canceling, you know, conservatives blah

1015
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: blah blah and just making stuff up to try to

1016
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: use a trojan horse of these cultural issues to usher

1017
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: in a pro oligarch agenda. And it was groups like

1018
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: Third Way and the you know, Hillary Clinton neo liberals

1019
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: who originated that in the Democratic Party. So yeah, it's

1020
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: but the just coming out and saying like we got

1021
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: to get rid of these small dollar donors is so insane.

1022
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: I mean, when Bernie ran and he is the most successful,

1023
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: and this is the other thing that gives away the game.

1024
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: He is the most successful small dollar donor candidate probably

1025
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 2: in history.

1026
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 5: And Trump is really successful too, but not.

1027
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 3: As successful as Bernie.

1028
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 2: And this time around, actually Trump didn't do all that

1029
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: well with grassroots jonors. But you're right, but with Bernie,

1030
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: you know, you would go and look at the top

1031
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: professions and it was like Walmart workers and Amazon workers

1032
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: and Starbucks workers, and I think, though, you think those

1033
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: are the people that are out of touch with the

1034
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: priorities of the broader electorate. But you're like, you know,

1035
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: la Silicon Valley Wall Street donors, those are the ones

1036
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: that are going to get us back in touch with

1037
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: the working class of America. Like they can't believe that,

1038
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 2: they can't actually believe that. It's so dishonest and so insane.

1039
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 5: Hmm, yeah, I don't know if they believe it.

1040
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 6: I mean some of them probably doing some of them

1041
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 6: are probably like, we know this is insane and stupid.

1042
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: But that's their Yeah, you're right, they're in such a

1043
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: bubble that perhaps they do actually think because that's all

1044
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: viewpoint that surrounds the Bill, right, they're like, oh, these

1045
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: rich donors in Silicon Valley, or they're the ones that

1046
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: really get the pulse of the country.

1047
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 3: M hmm.

1048
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 6: Let's move on to the brewing feud between Bill Burr

1049
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 6: and Ben Shapiro.

1050
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 3: This is a fun one, all right.

1051
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 6: So Ben Shapiro has said that we can put element

1052
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 6: one up on the screen. This is the quote he

1053
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 6: said recently that Bill Burr quote has become woke over time.

1054
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 6: I think he became embarrassed that many people in the

1055
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 6: right thought he was very funny, so he decided he

1056
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 6: was going to go woke. Bur openly cheered the murder

1057
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 6: of the United Healthcare executive because he says ceo should

1058
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 6: live in fear if they don't act in the way

1059
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 6: that he would have them act in a system that

1060
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 6: he has no fixes for. By the way, now let's

1061
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 6: go to the second one. He called Burr's comments about

1062
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 6: the killing of the United Healthcare CEO quote truly evil

1063
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 6: and said he's saying you should live in fear if

1064
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 6: you're the CEO of a company that does things that

1065
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 6: Burr deems to be bad or wrong.

1066
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 5: Now, Bill Burr.

1067
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 6: Did an interview where he was asked by The New

1068
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 6: York Times because he's doing it, actually, this is actually

1069
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 6: kind of cool. He's doing a Glengarry Glenn Ross adaptation,

1070
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 6: which is interesting because David mammott is has long been

1071
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 6: sort of affiliated with the right though Glengarry Glenn Ross

1072
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 6: is a critique of capitalism. So let's put E three

1073
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 6: on the screen. Bill Burr responds and says, all Shapiro

1074
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 6: knew is if he put quote woke on what I said,

1075
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 6: he would make more money. I don't know who he is,

1076
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 6: but that guy is jerk off. Now let's go back

1077
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 6: to how Bill Burr has been talking about Brian Johnson

1078
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,479
Speaker 6: and Luigi So this is a clip from Bill Burr

1079
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 6: on December ninth of last year.

1080
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 5: We can go ahead and roll this element.

1081
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 10: You know what's annoying me about this, this kid who

1082
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 10: killed this CEO is none of these news programs are

1083
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 10: talking about the incredible lack of empathy from the general

1084
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 10: public about this because of how these insurance companies treat

1085
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 10: people when they are at their most vulnerable, after we've

1086
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 10: all given them our money every fucking month, and now

1087
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 10: we finally need you, and all you do is deny us.

1088
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 10: And then these pussies and all of these things are

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Speaker 10: taking the pictures of their CEOs off their websites. You know,

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Speaker 10: I gotta be honest with you, Okay, I love that

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Speaker 10: the fucking CEOs are fucking afraid right now. You should be,

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Speaker 10: by and large, You're all a bunch of selfish, greedy,

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Speaker 10: fucking pieces of shit, and a lot of you are

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00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 10: mass murderers. You just don't pull the trigger. That's why

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Speaker 10: it looks clean. That's why these people look, oh my god,

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Speaker 10: Oh he was just you know, walking into a hotel.

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Speaker 10: It's like, okay, but what was his job?

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Speaker 5: What did he do?

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Speaker 10: What was the results of it?

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Speaker 1: All?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 6: So there's a lot to say about this, Crystal, because

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Speaker 6: Bill Burr has been on a tear about Brian Johnson

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Speaker 6: and Luigimianngioni essentially since this happened, so for several months,

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Speaker 6: and I think, you know, Shapiro wouldn't claim to be

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Speaker 6: a sort of avatar of trump Ism. He has a

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Speaker 6: lot of his own complaints with populism. He's a fairly

1108
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Speaker 6: anti populist pundit. That's kind of what got him in

1109
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Speaker 6: trouble originally with with Trump world. He's always sort of

1110
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Speaker 6: been honest about his opposition to like anti corporate populism

1111
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Speaker 6: as it's risen on the right. But Bill Burr, I

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Speaker 6: guess I don't understand why Bill Burr is supposed to

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Speaker 6: have a fix to the healthcare problem if he's going

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Speaker 6: to spout off about Brian Johnson.

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Speaker 2: He's a comedian, really, but the one that's actually funny

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Speaker 2: and actually stands up to power, you know, and if

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Speaker 2: Democrats want to win again, take notes from Bill Burr

1118
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Speaker 2: like this is actually the type of energy that you

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Speaker 2: need to buy. I when he says a lot of

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Speaker 2: these CEOs or mass murders, they just don't pull the

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Speaker 2: trigger like you want to talk about the kind of

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Speaker 2: populist left energy that could win.

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Speaker 3: This is how people feel.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's why there was such an outpouring of

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Speaker 2: enter of emotion around Luigi Mangioni. And so for Bill

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Speaker 2: Burr to say, like, hey, aren't we going to talk

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Speaker 2: about where that comes from? And then Shapiro is like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you can you know this is truly evil blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: I also, I think what was the smartest thing that

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Speaker 2: Bill Bert said in all of this would speak to

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Speaker 2: what we were just talking about about using cultural issues

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Speaker 2: to usher in an oligarch agenda. He said, all Shapiro

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Speaker 2: knows is if he put woke on what I said,

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Speaker 2: he'd make more money. And that is I mean, again,

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Speaker 2: a lot of oligarchs on the right are using an

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Speaker 2: anti woke, you know.

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Speaker 3: A woke backlash.

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Speaker 2: You know, the energy around anti woke is use whatever DEI,

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Speaker 2: whatever cultural totems exist that are important to conservatives and

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Speaker 2: putting that across whatever their agenda is, and you know,

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Speaker 2: trying to usher in Trojan Horse in this pro oligarch movement,

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Speaker 2: and it's being very successful. And so I think the

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Speaker 2: way Bilberr like immediately picks up on that, I think

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Speaker 2: is honestly very impressive. It's also hilarious that he's like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know he is, but he's a jerk, right Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And this is probably not popular with a lot of

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Speaker 6: our viewers, but I personally really like Ben. But what

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Speaker 6: I would say if he was sitting here is that

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Speaker 6: wokeness is not anti corporatism.

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Speaker 5: That's there's nothing woke about Bill Burr.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it might it might be coded as left,

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Speaker 6: but it's the opposite of woke to that's right, anti

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Speaker 6: corporate and I mean, obviously corporations were pushing wocism for

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Speaker 6: a really long time. It did become the language of

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Speaker 6: corporate America. But wocism and like being mad at CEO

1156
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 6: shouldn't be flated. That's a really dangerous I think conflation

1157
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Speaker 6: on the right because it pegs and bend to his credit,

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Speaker 6: would be against both of these. He would be against

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Speaker 6: populism and wokeism. But most of the right is not

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Speaker 6: against populism, like most Republican voters are not against what

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Speaker 6: Bilburgh is saying here.

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Speaker 2: Well, and Ben isn't against wokeism when it comes to like.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's very different. Yeah, that's that's.

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Speaker 2: He's very in favor of affirmative action when it comes

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Speaker 2: to his pet issue.

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Speaker 5: Totally different like that.

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Speaker 6: He would he would obviously argue if you were here

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Speaker 6: that it's all I think he would conflate anti Israel

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Speaker 6: sentiments with anti of course.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's yeah, So that's.

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Speaker 2: A the whole I mean, but the whole thing of

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Speaker 2: like wokeism was I mean, it's not that I agree,

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Speaker 2: it's that anti black racism doesn't exist.

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Speaker 5: Yep, it's over it's over stretching the.

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Speaker 3: Terms, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, when it comes to anti Semitism,

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Speaker 2: suddenly he's the snowflake who's like, you know, these college

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Speaker 2: kids said experienced micro Russian. You know, so he has

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Speaker 2: his own flavor of wocism. But I think your point

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Speaker 2: is a really important one, Emily, which is that, like

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Speaker 2: the way that Bill Burr does left populism is actually

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Speaker 2: the opposite of the woke liberal virtue signaling that people

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Speaker 2: were justifiably upset about. So yeah, I think this, this energy,

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Speaker 2: the Bill Burr energy, is the real winning. A third

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00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: way should take some notes from this. Well, he care

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Speaker 2: about winning, but they don't. They care about their agenda.

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Speaker 6: He talks like a real person, Like he talks like

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Speaker 6: a real guy. It talks a real it's it's it's

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Speaker 6: actually sort of Trumpian, a rogan and Roganian in a way,

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Speaker 6: because he just talks like this is why he's popular.

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Speaker 6: He talks like a guy that you'd be talking to

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Speaker 6: in real life at a like at a bar, at

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Speaker 6: a barbecue or whatever.

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Speaker 5: He's just a normal person.

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Speaker 6: He's not trying to He wasn't endorsing people killing CEOs.

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Speaker 6: He was saying, like he's been really deeply upset with

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Speaker 6: the media coverage and his big thing about the killing

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Speaker 6: of Brian Johnson is that the media has has martyrized

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Speaker 6: Brian Johnson and and not talked about the broader problems

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Speaker 6: of the industry. And we can have a debate about

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Speaker 6: that or whatever, but it's driving Bill Burr crazy.

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Speaker 5: I think he has a point.

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Speaker 6: It's it's only he's only this like pure innocent victim,

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Speaker 6: and you know, he just doesn't mean that he deserves

1205
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Speaker 6: to be killed. Yeah again, like it's it's sort of

1206
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Speaker 6: precious to conflate those two things true and to ignore

1207
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Speaker 6: I mean, all of these people and this isn't actually

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Speaker 6: really Ben because he would say, you know, he actually

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Speaker 6: does have like principled positions on what the healthcare system

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Speaker 6: could be, even if we disagree with them.

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Speaker 5: There's all of.

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Speaker 6: These people that are in love with Luigi Mangioni. It's

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Speaker 6: because they hate the healthcare system. It's not just because

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Speaker 6: he's a funny meme. They're viscerally furious and we've talked

1215
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Speaker 6: about this, like many many times. They're viscerally angry at

1216
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Speaker 6: the healthcare system because it is screwing them over and

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Speaker 6: people getting are getting.

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Speaker 5: Rich off of it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And so you cannot just wave that away as wokeness.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it isn't.

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Speaker 6: He represents a very significant chunk of the public that

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Speaker 6: will that is an intense It's an intense sentiment. It's

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Speaker 6: not just people disagreeing with the healthcare system. They're bitscerally

1224
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Speaker 6: angry about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I don't even think it's just the healthcare system.

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Speaker 2: It's like the sense that this whole corporate America structure

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Speaker 2: is growing and robbing us.

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Speaker 5: Totally true.

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Speaker 3: And so it's it's energy.

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Speaker 2: I mean it is very like Occupy Wall Street kind

1232
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Speaker 2: of an energy I think, more potent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the last thing I'll say about Bill Burr's like,

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Speaker 2: I think comedy at its best is like cultural critique

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01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: and punching up at the powerful. Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 2: Bill Burr does that very well. And I mean he's

1238
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Speaker 2: the polar opposite of being like a woke snow of

1239
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you can't say that.

1240
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Speaker 3: Like he says it. He goes there.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny to see someone who claims to stand

1242
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Speaker 2: in opposition of that sort of like snowflake cancel culture thing,

1243
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Speaker 2: having a little bit of his own meltdown about all

1244
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Speaker 2: of this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, if comedians have to have policy prescriptions

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Speaker 6: for every political thing they joke about, we are in trouble.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go ahead and get you.

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Speaker 2: There's a bunch of developments with regard to Israel where

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Speaker 2: they're completely out of the ceasefire deal, they are planning

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Speaker 2: to completely block humanitarian aid. They're even threatening to cut

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Speaker 2: off the water to Gaza. Trump administration playing into this

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Speaker 2: as well. Jeremy Skahill is going to join us to

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Speaker 2: talk about all of that. Very fortunate to be joined

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Speaker 2: this morning by Jeremy Skatehill, who is co founder of

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Speaker 2: drop site News, alongside our very own Ryan Graham.

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Speaker 3: Great to see Jeremy.

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Speaker 11: Thank you, Crystal Emily.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. So a lot of developments here.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and put the tweet up on the screen,

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Speaker 2: so you talk about here how Natanyahu is announcing he's

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Speaker 2: blocking once again all humanitarian aid from entering the Gaza

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Speaker 2: strip after Hamas refused to alter the previous deal and

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Speaker 2: release Israeli hostages. Bb is saying his decision was made

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Speaker 2: in coordination with the Trump administration, and in addition, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Israeli have just completely backed away from even a

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Speaker 2: pretense of continuing into Phase two of the ceasefire deal,

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Speaker 2: to the extent that the even ever had such a

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Speaker 2: pretense since Netna who was always promising some of his

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Speaker 2: coalition partners that it would never go beyond Phase one.

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Speaker 2: So if you could, Jeremy, just bring us up to

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Speaker 2: speed here a bit.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, just to rewind a little bit. First of all,

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Speaker 11: on February third, there was supposed to be the start

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Speaker 11: of negotiations over the implementation of Phase two, who refused

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Speaker 11: to ever send any negotiators. Instead, he goes to Washington,

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Speaker 11: d C. And becomes the first foreign leader to meet

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Speaker 11: with President Donald Trump and sits that meeting where Trump

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Speaker 11: floated the Trump Gaza Riviera idea NETNYA who has just

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Speaker 11: been systematically violating the ceasefire. They've killed upwards of one

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Speaker 11: hundred and twenty Palestinians inside of Gaza. They've refused to

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Speaker 11: allow almost any of the mobile homes. There were supposed

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Speaker 11: to be sixty thousand mobile homes sent into Gaza. Almost

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Speaker 11: none of them have entered two hundred thousand tents. While

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Speaker 11: there has been food aid and other forms of humanitarian

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Speaker 11: aid going in, it's been far less than was stipulated

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Speaker 11: under the agreement. And so you know, when we look

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Speaker 11: at what happened over the weekend, basically this is how

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Speaker 11: it went down. Netan Yahoo and Israel took what was

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Speaker 11: sort of a proposal paper from the American side, And

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Speaker 11: everything I'm telling you is based on talking to sources

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Speaker 11: involved with the negotiations. This happens where Egypt, or Kuta

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Speaker 11: or the United States, they kind of float proposals as

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Speaker 11: a starting point for discussions, and as the Israelis did

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Speaker 11: repeatedly throughout the Biden Harris administration, they don't even give

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Speaker 11: Hamas a chance to review the proposal or give a

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Speaker 11: formal answer. Israel then announces Hamas has rejected an American

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Speaker 11: proposal for extending Phase one of the ceasefire deal. What's

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Speaker 11: interesting too, I spoke to a senior Hamas official who said,

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Speaker 11: we hadn't even been given a chance to review the

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Speaker 11: whole thing before we even read in the papers basically

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Speaker 11: that Israel said that we had rejected the deal. What's

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Speaker 11: interesting though, is Brian Hughes, Trump's National Security Council spokesperson.

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Speaker 11: He was asked directly whether or not the Israeli version

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Speaker 11: of events was true. Is this actually an American proposal?

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Speaker 11: He ignored that question and then just kind of paid

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Speaker 11: lip service to the idea. Israel has been negotiating in

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Speaker 11: good faith for fifteen months. So what we're seeing here

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Speaker 11: is Israel has violated the ceasefire agreement repeatedly. Israel refused

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Speaker 11: to send negotiators as stipulated under the contract. Israel is

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Speaker 11: continuing to kill Palestinians inside of Gaza, and then Israel

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Speaker 11: is continuing its multi decade arc of front running ceasefire

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Speaker 11: negotiations with the Palestinians and then making announcements that make

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Speaker 11: it appear that it is, in fact the other side

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Speaker 11: that's hindering the deal, when in fact, anyone that's read

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Speaker 11: the agreement that Trump promoted as kind of the beginning

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Speaker 11: of the end of this war and peace in the

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Speaker 11: Middle East, the Israelis are the ones violating it. What's

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Speaker 11: going to be interesting is to see how Steve Whitcloth,

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Speaker 11: Trump's Special envoy, response to this. He's an interesting guy.

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Speaker 11: He's very different from Anthony Blinken, the way that Blinken

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Speaker 11: handled these situations where the Israelis just blatantly lied about

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Speaker 11: something that happened in the negotiation, was to openly co

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Speaker 11: sign Israel's lie. I'm not sure wik Coof's going to

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Speaker 11: go that path he could. My guess would be that

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Speaker 11: he's going to sort of thread the needle, issue some

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Speaker 11: kind of vague statement that defends Israel and calls on

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Speaker 11: Hamas to come to the negotiating table. But everyone involved

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Speaker 11: with this knows that Israel has been violating the ceasefire

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Speaker 11: and now is blaming Hamas for something that actually Israel

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Speaker 11: has done quite.

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Speaker 6: Openly, Jamie, I was going to ask if you could

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Speaker 6: talk to us a little bit more about that. Actually,

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Speaker 6: such an interesting dynamic you mentioned Brian Hughes. But how

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Speaker 6: has the Trump administration navigated this over the last several days.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we were talking about obviously Ukraine earlier in

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Speaker 6: the show, and Zelensky has tried to sort of invoke

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Speaker 6: Hamas interestingly enough, But so much attention has been on

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Speaker 6: Ukraine in the last few days despite all of this

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Speaker 6: unraveling in the Middle East. So what is the Trump

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Speaker 6: administration how have they been responding to the developments.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, a week ago, Steve Whitcoff made the

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Speaker 11: rounds on the Sunday talk shows, and at the time

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Speaker 11: he was doing those interviews from Miami Beach in Florida,

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Speaker 11: and he also for part of that visit was with

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Speaker 11: Jared Kushner, who, even though he's not in an official

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Speaker 11: position right now in the Trump administration, holds tremendous way

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Speaker 11: over the events that are going to play out in

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Speaker 11: the Middle East. Witkoff said that he was optimistic that

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Speaker 11: we're going to make it into a formal phase two

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Speaker 11: of the agreement, but he did say that there's going

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Speaker 11: to have to be an extension of Phase one. There's

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Speaker 11: another significant event happening this week, which is that the

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Speaker 11: Arab Summit is convening and they're going to be discussing

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Speaker 11: an Egyptian proposal that is seen as a counter proposal

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Speaker 11: to Trump's Gaza riviera. And what's interesting about that, I've

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Speaker 11: been talking to Palestinian analysts and they didn't have a

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Speaker 11: kind of apocalyptic response to Trump's announcement when he was

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Speaker 11: alongside BB about you taking over Gaza as a US

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Speaker 11: property and building hotels. Some Palestinians I've talked to sort

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Speaker 11: of saw it also as a jab toward Netan Yahoo.

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Speaker 11: Trump didn't say We're going to turn it into the

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Speaker 11: Israeli riviera. Trump said the American riviera. That was, you know,

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Speaker 11: for people that are following this closely felt a bit

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Speaker 11: like maybe a pushback on net Yahoo and something he

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Speaker 11: wasn't entirely excited about. But the benefit for net Yahoo.

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Speaker 11: And this happens with Trump all the time. He wants

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Speaker 11: to talk about the border wall, he wants to talk

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Speaker 11: about you know, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden's laptop, that sets

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Speaker 11: the agenda. What was the agenda that was set there

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Speaker 11: that NETNYAHUO liked the idea that Palestinians should be removed

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Speaker 11: from Gaza. So it was a mixed sort of message

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Speaker 11: that is certainly genocidal in its kind of overarching intent.

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Speaker 11: But we're in the middle of negotiations here. You know,

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Speaker 11: wik Koff himself has shown that he's willing to poke

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Speaker 11: Net Yahoo. He certainly is a militant supporter of Israel.

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Speaker 11: He certainly is a Zionist, He certainly is very anti Hamas,

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Speaker 11: but he also has spoken with a diplomatic language that

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Speaker 11: you didn't often hear from Antony Blincoln. And you know,

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Speaker 11: Wikkoff also visited Gaza and saw the devastation that was there.

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Speaker 11: That narrative was not actually all that great for NETANYAHUO.

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Speaker 11: Maybe some of the really rabid, you know, kind of

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Speaker 11: bloodthirsty people within Israeli societies were happy about it, but

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Speaker 11: Wikoff also managed to give a fairly accurate assessment of

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Speaker 11: just how horrifying the destruction was in Gaza. So while

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Speaker 11: I'm not, like, you know, beaming with hope that Wickkoff

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Speaker 11: is going to save the day and that the Palestinians

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Speaker 11: are going to get liberation, I do think that we're

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Speaker 11: in a strange situation where potentially Trump could accidentally do

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Speaker 11: something that would have been better than if things were

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Speaker 11: left to Biden and Harris and just one I'm not

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Speaker 11: really a political journalist, but one political note, I find

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Speaker 11: it disgusting to watch these kind of blue maga partisan

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Speaker 11: democrats who never made a peep about Joe Biden and

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Speaker 11: Kamala Harris facilitating a genocide now up in arms about

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Speaker 11: Trump's AI video when they had nothing to say when

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Speaker 11: their candidates were actually the ones creating the situation that

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Speaker 11: now died Trump is presiding over as president. I mean,

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Speaker 11: it just shows the rot at the center of some

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Speaker 11: of our politics that partisan considerations are more important than

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Speaker 11: what are your principles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, on the other side, you had, you know,

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Speaker 2: people who were claiming to be anti war who are

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Speaker 2: not perfectly fine with the Hey, let's just go ahead

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Speaker 2: and ethnically glens the whole thing and take it for ourselves,

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Speaker 2: for sure.

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Speaker 11: I mean there's there's a deep sickness on the other

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Speaker 11: side of this as well. And you know, my favorite

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Speaker 11: people are the ones that have both the you know,

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Speaker 11: the Ukrainian and the Israeli flags and their sort of

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Speaker 11: you know, Twitter bios. But absolutely and that extends crystal

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Speaker 11: to the free speech thing. Like jade Vans when he

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Speaker 11: went to the Munich Security Conference, he said things that

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Speaker 11: are absolutely true about Europe's approach to free speech. But

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Speaker 11: perhaps the most pervasive and serious violation of free speech

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Speaker 11: in Germany, for instance, is the criminalization of speech opposing

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Speaker 11: Israel's genocidal war. Where you have not just Arabs in

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Speaker 11: Germany being hit with criminal violations, but Israeli Jews who

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Speaker 11: live in Israel are being given criminal violations for using

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Speaker 11: the term genocide to describe what Israel is doing. And

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Speaker 11: you don't hear the Barry Weiss's of the world rallying

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Speaker 11: for you know, the free speech protection of people in

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Speaker 11: Europe who are opposing Israel's war. It just shows how

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Speaker 11: kind of opportunistic and non principled so many of these

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Speaker 11: voices are both among partisan Democrats and among many people

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Speaker 11: within the Maga movement or the so called anti cancel

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Speaker 11: culture movement.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course you wouldn't want to bring that up

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Speaker 2: because they're bringing that same criminalization right here domestically, investigating

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Speaker 2: you know, Columbia University in these other places and threatening

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Speaker 2: pro Palestine protesters with deportation. So you know that I

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Speaker 2: think that would be a little uncomfortable for them to

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Speaker 2: bring those pieces up, not to mention that they're aligned

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Speaker 2: with that particular censorship, they're just opposed to censorship that

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Speaker 2: happens to go against their own political ideological valance.

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Speaker 3: Jeremy, just to go back to.

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Speaker 2: This feel like, what are the moving pieces now? What

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Speaker 2: do you think is going to happen next? And also,

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Speaker 2: you guys have been doing such a great job covering

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Speaker 2: what's happening in the occupied West Bank, Israel bombing Damascus

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Speaker 2: and just being like, hey, you know, we're just going.

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Speaker 3: To take over parts of Syria.

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Speaker 2: Oh, and by the way, you know, I know we

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Speaker 2: said as part of our Ceasfire deal, we're going to

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Speaker 2: withdraw from Lebanon. We're not going to do that. We're

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Speaker 2: just going to occupy Lebanon as well. It really looks

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Speaker 2: like if you had listened to, you know, the most

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Speaker 2: hardcore lefties or the most insane ZIONUS settlers at the

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Speaker 2: beginning of this conflict of what was likely to happen

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Speaker 2: and what their ultimate goals were, you would be much

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Speaker 2: better served and have a much clearer understanding of the

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Speaker 2: direction things we're heading in versus trying to glean these

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Speaker 2: things from certainly the mainstream press.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, look Benjamin Etnah, who is without a

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Speaker 11: doubt a US backed arsonist running around the Middle East.

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Speaker 11: And in the case of Syria, we're talking about Israel

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Speaker 11: saying that the Syrian military cannot have any presence just

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Speaker 11: south of Damascus, the capital of the country. And then

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Speaker 11: when you look at the broader picture, ninety percent of

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Speaker 11: the not just the refugee camp of Janine, but the

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Speaker 11: broader Janine area have been forcibly removed from their homes.

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Speaker 11: Israel is going through systematically knocking down houses bulldozing up

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Speaker 11: the roads, causing a sort of sense of terror to

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Speaker 11: just emanate all throughout the West Bank. At a time

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Speaker 11: when then Secretary of State Marco Rubio bypasses Congress issues

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Speaker 11: an emergency authorization to transfer four billion roughly four billion

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Speaker 11: dollars worth of American bombs, guidance systems, armored bulldozers to

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Speaker 11: go to Israel, at a time when Netnyahu is contemplating

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Speaker 11: possibly ratcheting up military attacks on Iran again, when Israel

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Speaker 11: is continuing to occupy five positions within Lebanon, when Israel

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Speaker 11: is threatening all out war on parts of Syria, when

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Speaker 11: Israel is trying to formally annex and tear orze the

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Speaker 11: Palestinians of the West Bank, when Israel is threatening to

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Speaker 11: cut off electricity and water supplies right now to the

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Speaker 11: Palestinians of Gaza, just as Ramadan is beginning, and while

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Speaker 11: Netanyahu and his people are continuing to try to use

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Speaker 11: the stamp of legitimacy of the United States to lie

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Speaker 11: about who's actually violating the ceasefire. The question is going

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Speaker 11: to be called very very soon on what Donald Trump's

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Speaker 11: agenda actually looks like for the Middle East, and it's

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Speaker 11: pathetic that we sort of have to hope that he

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Speaker 11: accidentally stumbles into something less than a continuation of the

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Speaker 11: genocidal war. Such is the reality that we find because

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Speaker 11: of a failure to stop this war when Joe Biden

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Speaker 11: and Kamala Harris were president.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy, so great to have you, And I was saying

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Speaker 2: to Emily earlier, it's just incredible what you and Ryan

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Speaker 2: have done at drop site and how indispensable you've become

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Speaker 2: so quickly. Not that any of us are surprised by that,

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Speaker 2: but kudos to you for your work because it's been

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Speaker 2: so important.

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Speaker 11: But the Breaking Points Counterpoints community has been just an

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Speaker 11: incredible boost for us, and we'll always be deeply grateful

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Speaker 11: for the work that you all do.

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Speaker 3: That's really kind of you to say.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Jeremy, and great to see you

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Speaker 2: you too. All right, guys, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: hanging out with us today. As a reminder, we will

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Speaker 2: not have a regular show tomorrow. They are doing the

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Speaker 2: Joint Address to Congress or whatever it's called, the State

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Speaker 2: of the Union that is happening tomorrow evening. We will

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Speaker 2: be here at eight pm, all four of us at

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Speaker 2: the desk, so we can assess things that happen during

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Speaker 2: the day and also give you live coverage of that event.

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Speaker 3: So have a great day, guys.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you back here tomorrow evening