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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting next to the one and

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Speaker 1: only West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our

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Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field West. It's Wednesday, our midweek show,

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Speaker 1: and that is when we take a look at the

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Speaker 1: Packers upcoming opponent, and it's a tough one. The Carolina

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Speaker 1: Panthers will be coming into lambeau Field on Sunday, a

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Speaker 1: three kickoff that was shifted a week or so ago

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Speaker 1: from originally a noon kickoffs, so it will be a

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Speaker 1: late afternoon and a chili one. It sounds like this

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Speaker 1: weekend at lambeau Field. Um, the sun is gonna be

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Speaker 1: gone by a halftime the way with the whole clock

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Speaker 1: change things, So it's gonna be pretty cold in the

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Speaker 1: second half with the in the dark. You know. It's

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Speaker 1: how It's how I know it's a cold game. We're

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Speaker 1: getting into the cold weather season. When I go home

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Speaker 1: to eat dinner with my parents on Tuesday and my

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Speaker 1: mom says, I'm not interested, you can give your tickets

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Speaker 1: away or were something else. She's mahat's out. So that's

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Speaker 1: how you know the season changes when Mahat is at

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Speaker 1: the games and when she decides not to start attending

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Speaker 1: the games, and you got that difference. That's the true

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Speaker 1: midpoint of the season. Yeah. Well, the Carolina Panthers are

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Speaker 1: coming in. They are five and three. They are right

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Speaker 1: in the thick of the postseason chase in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: Not just five and three West, but five and one

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Speaker 1: in their last six games after an O and to

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Speaker 1: start unknown, to start with Cam Newton, then Cam Newton

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Speaker 1: who is now on injured reserve, replaced by Kyle Allen

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Speaker 1: and five wins in the last six games. But for

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Speaker 1: a solid job as Kyle Allen has done. This offense

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Speaker 1: is powered by one guy right now, and that's Christian McCaffrey. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's what they needed. And I wrote this

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Speaker 1: an Insider inbox this week. Kyle and Allen needed to

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Speaker 1: be a game manager. That's what they're asking him to do.

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Speaker 1: And certainly, if you know anything about his story, this

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Speaker 1: is a guy has a massive chip on his shoulder,

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Speaker 1: feels like he was underrated, undervalued, and you know it

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Speaker 1: was transferred from Texas A and m went to Houston

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Speaker 1: got bench there. So he has a lot to play

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Speaker 1: for in this league. But let's be honest, Mike, they

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Speaker 1: want him to pay play as mistake free football as

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Speaker 1: possible because Christian McCaffrey is just different. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we had a feeling about this, and I think you

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Speaker 1: and I probably tracked Christian McCaffrey a little bit more

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Speaker 1: than maybe other beat writers around the NFL because Max

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Speaker 1: was here for a while. His older brother, Blake Martinez

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Speaker 1: played with him at Stanford UM this. But when you

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Speaker 1: look at his skill set, his makeup and the player

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Speaker 1: he's become in this league, his dad had a phenomenal

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Speaker 1: career in the NFL, and Christian McCaffrey has a chance

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Speaker 1: to surpass that at an early age when you look

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Speaker 1: at not only what he offers as a running back

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Speaker 1: or what he offers as a receiver, just an all

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Speaker 1: this stretch of winds that they've been on, ABS sent

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Speaker 1: a couple of games against Tampa Bay which were sort

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Speaker 1: of some anomalies in this whole equation. He's been unstoppable.

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Speaker 1: When you get the ball in his hands, he's going

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Speaker 1: to make plays. So to be at five and three

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Speaker 1: right now, to rally the way they have behind the

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback says a lot about this team it's makeup.

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Speaker 1: But Christian McCaffrey is in the chase right now to

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Speaker 1: be a legitimate m VP candidate, and he's personally changed

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Speaker 1: my opinion on it. Three weeks ago, I would not

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Speaker 1: have told you that a a running back on a

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Speaker 1: for this. But as you start to realize how he's

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Speaker 1: tip your cap to him and acknowledge this is arguably

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Speaker 1: the best playmaker in the league right now. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: is the best playmaker in the league right now. I

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Speaker 1: totally agree with you. He leads the NFL with thirteen

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Speaker 1: touchdowns combined rushing and receiving scores. And you know me, West,

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Speaker 1: I don't like to do comparables very often, but when

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Speaker 1: I see Christian McCaffrey and I look at the highlights

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Speaker 1: Panther's offense is revolving around him. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: put Christian McCaffrey in the Hall of Fame at the

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Speaker 1: tender age of twenty whatever three, but I see a

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Speaker 1: lot of Marshall Falk. You know, I agree that this guy,

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Speaker 1: cast around McCaffrey that that Rams and The Greatest Show

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Speaker 1: I would say the Colds, Marshall Falk and the Rams

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Speaker 1: nice pieces. Like It's not to say they're just completely

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Speaker 1: void of right, No, And I don't I don't mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't say that, but I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: That was a legendary group of offensive players that they

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Speaker 1: this year. To the Panthers, credit, to Allen's credit as

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Speaker 1: a team, they bounced. They bounced back from getting you know,

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Speaker 1: they did exactly what the Packers and to do now, um,

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Speaker 1: It was clearly that game in San Francisco was Carolina's

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Speaker 1: Allen's last three weeks are really interesting, right because you

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Speaker 1: But the Buccaneers both times they were able to whatever

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Speaker 1: You see the dimensions, the challenges that that that defense

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Speaker 1: this goes back. They signed Greg Van Roten. He ended

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Speaker 1: He resurfaced last year or two years ago with Carolina,

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Speaker 1: Some questions about whether or not he get replaced this offseason.

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Speaker 1: He's still there, He's still contributing. A nice guy. I

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Speaker 1: sure he wouldn't remember me either, But I mean just

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Speaker 1: remembers you. Greg then wrote in part of that offensive

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Speaker 1: way right now for Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: on Christian McCaffrey, and rightly so, with what he has

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Speaker 1: looking at these numbers earlier today. Nine players with two

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Speaker 1: that game against Carolina they just went light a lot.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of hybrid nickel, and you just

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Speaker 1: This is an entirely different running back, but I think

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Speaker 1: you know, and maybe the passing game in other areas

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Speaker 1: with the receivers to defend a guy like this. But

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Speaker 1: first and foremost, Mike, this is what your attention has

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Speaker 1: to be on. Yeah, well, we will see over the

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Speaker 1: next couple of days what the players say about Christian

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey in the locker room after practice these next few days,

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Speaker 1: because they're gonna be asked a lot of questions abottom

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Speaker 1: and we'll just see where it goes from here. But

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