Speaker 1: Hi, this is call Hamil's Welcome to the Philly Show.
Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Philly Show. Ruben Tomorrow, Junior,
Speaker 2: Jim Salisbury. I'm todd so lucky, Ruben.
Speaker 3: We are. We're in a duet situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're missing. We're missing a big link.
Speaker 3: Jimmy is on assignment, so he's unable to join us today.
Speaker 1: We're missing our big toe.
Speaker 3: We are missing our big te Jim. We miss you.
Speaker 3: Come back, not seriously, Jim. We'll be back later this week.
Speaker 2: He could not make it before the Phillies opened the
Speaker 2: series Monday night in Detroit.
Speaker 3: But we got a lot to talk about, Ruber.
Speaker 2: I mean kind of a kind of a really big
Speaker 2: news weekend for the Phillies starts with the Christopher Sanchez
Speaker 2: twenty two and a half million dollars four year extension.
Speaker 3: This extension, to me, Rubin explains just how impossibly difficult
Speaker 3: it is, I think to build a.
Speaker 2: Franchise and an organization. Because you think about December of
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, the Tampa Bay Rays had to place him
Speaker 2: on the forty men roster, and they're like, we have
Speaker 2: some guys that are are better than him, so they
Speaker 2: trade him to the Phillies for Curtis Mead. He's a
Speaker 2: hard throwing lefty, and then he kind of like hit
Speaker 2: some bumps in the road, the velocity drops, He's not
Speaker 2: thrown strikes. Curtis Mead then becomes this top one hundred prospect.
Speaker 2: This trade looks like a total bust. And then last
Speaker 2: spring the Phillies are looking for a number five starter
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry, spring of twenty twenty three and it's
Speaker 2: like Bailey Folter versus Andrew Painter Sanchez. Nah, you know,
Speaker 2: we know he's not going to make the team, and
Speaker 2: now he's got a twenty two and a half million
Speaker 2: dollar contract.
Speaker 3: I mean, is that.
Speaker 2: It's just just shows you how like unpredictable and everything
Speaker 2: is in player development, is right, I mean, what do
Speaker 2: you think about just how that whole storyline, It.
Speaker 1: Really is one of the things we talk about the
Speaker 1: beauty of baseball time, right, and and you know everybody
Speaker 1: wants to assess trades and decisions, uh, and then you
Speaker 1: want to look at things like in a vacuum. Guess what,
Speaker 1: you have to kind of wait things out and see
Speaker 1: how things play out. Because baseball is like no other sport.
Speaker 1: You just don't know whether I mean, even the greatest
Speaker 1: prospects in the world can fizzle out when they get
Speaker 1: to the major leagues, or they can have one or
Speaker 1: two great, great years and then become that they can
Speaker 1: be the rookie of the year and then become nothing.
Speaker 1: And and it's it's really is an amazing sport in
Speaker 1: that regard. And this is one of those situations where, hey,
Speaker 1: we're taking a chance in the Matt clintac and the
Speaker 1: people take a chance on a big arm left hander
Speaker 1: right And you know, I I just just in general,
Speaker 1: when you start thinking about left handed pitchers, especially really
Speaker 1: tall and lanky and leverage guys with a lot of
Speaker 1: levers and leverage. I always I've talked to scouts over
Speaker 1: the years, you just don't know when those guys are
Speaker 1: going to be able to put their bodies in a
Speaker 1: position to have success. In other words, can they ever
Speaker 1: get consistent enough with their deliveries? Can they ever put
Speaker 1: all the pieces in the parts together on a frame
Speaker 1: like that to get to the point where they can
Speaker 1: be effective major league players or consistent major league players.
Speaker 1: And this is guy, this is a guy that, to
Speaker 1: his credit, got to that space. It took him a
Speaker 1: little bit of time to get there, because I will
Speaker 1: tell you I've seen a lot of baseball on my day,
Speaker 1: and this is one of the most amazing transformations of
Speaker 1: a pitcher I've ever seen. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: I'm not overstating this. By the time you're twenty five
Speaker 1: or twenty six years old, you probably have a pretty
Speaker 1: good idea what this guy is going to be, what
Speaker 1: a player is going to be, whether he's gotten to
Speaker 1: the big leagues or you know it's fairly close, or
Speaker 1: he's had a little taste or what have you. And
Speaker 1: when he first got to the big leagues, I look
Speaker 1: to this guy and go, Wow, he's just he's just
Speaker 1: a thrower. He has no idea where his fastball's going.
Speaker 1: He's throwing ninety five or ninety six miles an hour.
Speaker 1: At times he'll at ninety seven, and you're going, this
Speaker 1: guy just doesn't For number one, he doesn't know where
Speaker 1: his fastball's going. And number two, he doesn't have a
Speaker 1: breaking pitch. He doesn't have a nice pitch. So you're
Speaker 1: thinking yourself, Okay, this this was just sort of a
Speaker 1: throwaway deal because he just doesn't He's not going to
Speaker 1: be able to make the adjustments to be mechanically sad
Speaker 1: enough to be able to pitch well. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was obvious, and Matt gil had a great story about
Speaker 1: it and talked a little bit about you know, his
Speaker 1: over his development. But you know, it sort of takes
Speaker 1: a village, you know. I think Cessar almost had a
Speaker 1: little bit to do it him. He was a coach
Speaker 1: in Triple A. I think, you know, Kevin Coffam obviously
Speaker 1: has to get some love for it. But but really,
Speaker 1: if the onus is on the pitcher, the picture himself, Chris,
Speaker 1: you know, Christopher, he just decided, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: not going back down again. I'm gonna do what I
Speaker 1: need to do and make the adjustments me personally to
Speaker 1: be viable major league pitcher. And boy did he pitch
Speaker 1: well at the end of the year last year and
Speaker 1: put you basically, he changed his whole program. He became
Speaker 1: a pitcher, he started throwing strikes more consistently, and actually,
Speaker 1: you know, beat out Bailly Falter and knocked him off
Speaker 1: the you know, off off the grid, and uh, he
Speaker 1: ended up being a pretty viable, you know, starter for them.
Speaker 1: Still didn't know what what he was going to be
Speaker 1: when you know, he rolled into spring training. But what
Speaker 1: that that that transformation of one having one of the
Speaker 1: best pitches in baseball now the change up with the
Speaker 1: great arm action, great action, and great success with it.
Speaker 1: And then not only that, but he also started developing
Speaker 1: like a slider. All of a sudden, he had like
Speaker 1: a breaking pitch.
Speaker 3: Oh my good, right, you know, to me, it was
Speaker 3: you know, it was funny.
Speaker 2: I was. I went back the past couple of days
Speaker 2: and I read a lot of the stories that were
Speaker 2: written when the Phillies got him in that trade, and
Speaker 2: even the Phillies were saying, like, he's a hard throwing lefty.
Speaker 3: We like that, he's tall, we like that. It's kind
Speaker 3: a decent slider and a decent change up.
Speaker 2: And it's just funny to think about now because that
Speaker 2: change up has become, like you said, one of the
Speaker 2: best pitches in baseball. I mean that game late late
Speaker 2: last season against the Braves where he had, you know,
Speaker 2: got like a ton of swings and misses and through
Speaker 2: just a ton of change ups. But back when they
Speaker 2: got him in December twenty nineteen, they're like, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: he throws hard. Maybe he'll get something else going on,
Speaker 2: and now he finally got it.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. So over the weekend, you know, Cole
Speaker 1: Hamilton gets retired, I think it retires as affilly, and
Speaker 1: you start thinking about left handers, and you start thinking
Speaker 1: about tall left handers, okay, and why they become like
Speaker 1: so important if they really get it, you know, if
Speaker 1: they actually get it, because they can create. And I
Speaker 1: was watching some of the film and I had forgotten, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Cole Hamil's with his delivery. He had so
Speaker 1: much unbelievable leverage. He worked down down the slope, as
Speaker 1: we talked about and as scouts talk about, and and
Speaker 1: for a hitter, when you're looking at a pitch it's
Speaker 1: down angle like that, I mean, it's it's difficult, sorry,
Speaker 1: difficult to hit. But when you have that kind of
Speaker 1: down angle and you can and you can master your
Speaker 1: ability to throw a couple of different pitches with that
Speaker 1: angle and throw strikes with it, you can have a
Speaker 1: lot of success. And that's kind of what's having on.
Speaker 1: Christopher Sanchez is a tall dude. He's got some serious leverage,
Speaker 1: and so now he's gotten to the point where, Okay,
Speaker 1: now I'm throwing ninety four, ninety five, ninety six, because
Speaker 1: now I'm confident with my stuff and my ability to
Speaker 1: repeat my fastball and to throw it where I want to,
Speaker 1: and I know that these guys are not going to
Speaker 1: be able to handle my change up, and so it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's a great story. It's a great signing.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even I mean, I overstate this. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have to even have a great career. But the importance
Speaker 1: of sparring pitching is so high right now that hey, man,
Speaker 1: why not lock up a guy and let him feel
Speaker 1: confident about himself. Typically, you don't want to sign a
Speaker 1: guy when he's pitching at the top of his game,
Speaker 1: but because you want to kind of wait for the
Speaker 1: guy that you know, maybe you get a little discount
Speaker 1: because the guy's not throwing all that well. But in
Speaker 1: this case, I think they got a very reasonable contract
Speaker 1: for a guy who I believe that will continue to
Speaker 1: get better and better and better. And he's one of
Speaker 1: the better pitchers in all of baseball right now.
Speaker 3: It's incredible, that's the thing, dah.
Speaker 2: He's kind of flying under the radar when you talk
Speaker 2: to it about Wheeler and Nola and Suarez certainly, and
Speaker 2: he's right up there when you look at some of
Speaker 2: those numbers, you know, eer and just you know, overall production,
Speaker 2: he's been fantastic. Yes, twenty two and a half million dollar,
Speaker 2: four year deal, a couple bonut.
Speaker 3: A couple of options down the road.
Speaker 2: But yeah, sixteen million and twenty twenty nine can escalate
Speaker 2: if he you know, up to twenty nine or nineteen
Speaker 2: million and twenty thirty based on some.
Speaker 3: Incentives and things like that. But seems like you know
Speaker 3: they're locking up that pitching.
Speaker 2: So my question now, Ruben, is they locked up Christopher
Speaker 2: Sanchez the other guys out there now?
Speaker 3: Raiders swore as sure, and he.
Speaker 2: Will not be signing an extension for twenty two and
Speaker 2: a half million dollars if he signs one. Oh no,
Speaker 2: he's so ranger has He's got this year, he's got
Speaker 2: next year his last year of arbitration, and then he's
Speaker 2: a free agent after twenty twenty five. And this might
Speaker 2: be a dumb question, Rubina is I know you put
Speaker 2: starting pitch above everything else, but can you lock up too.
Speaker 3: Many starting pitchers? Can you?
Speaker 2: Can you put that much money into your rotation? Again,
Speaker 2: I said, I say, maybe that's a dumb question, but
Speaker 2: how do you if.
Speaker 3: You're in Dave Dombrowski's shoes. How do you look at it?
Speaker 2: It's like, no, we just have to do this, and
Speaker 2: we're just gonna have four guys locked up.
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 1: I think you lock them all up? Okay? I mean
Speaker 1: I I yeah, I mean and for me And again,
Speaker 1: you know, you're preaching in a little bit of the
Speaker 1: choir in that I believe in starting pitching. And if
Speaker 1: you have good quality starting pitching, boy, oh boy, you
Speaker 1: need to hold on to it. Now. There's no question
Speaker 1: and not everybody's gonna hit. You're not gonna make the
Speaker 1: right decision on every single one of these guys. Somebody's
Speaker 1: going to get hurt. Somebody's going down eight. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be a ucl taire or an elbow or a brace
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. It's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But you sort of have to pay to play. Starting
Speaker 1: pitching is so important. You start thinking about some of
Speaker 1: the guys that are out there and what they what
Speaker 1: they can command. As far as starting I think teams
Speaker 1: are starting to understand that you cannot let your bullpen
Speaker 1: eat up fifty or sixty percent of the innings that
Speaker 1: are required to work your way through a major league season.
Speaker 1: And so I think pitchers who can pitch, who have
Speaker 1: durability and have some length, which all of these guys do.
Speaker 1: And when I say all these guys, I'm talking about Wheeler, Nola,
Speaker 1: Suarez and Sanchez, I mean you gotta kind of lock
Speaker 1: them up because they're just too important. Because I still
Speaker 1: believe this in my heart of hearts, and I'll never
Speaker 1: stop believing it. If I have a solid starting pitcher
Speaker 1: who can give me six to seven innings every single night,
Speaker 1: I know that I have a chance to win every
Speaker 1: single night. And so I I got to live through
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Braves ninety. I had to play against them
Speaker 1: in the Atlanta Braves nineties, and yes, it was a magical,
Speaker 1: amazing thing. You had Hall of famers left and right.
Speaker 1: But there's a reason why they won the division for
Speaker 1: fourteen straight years. It's because they had these unbelievable starting
Speaker 1: pitchers who can give you length, they can give you consistency,
Speaker 1: and they can keep you ever in every single baseball game.
Speaker 3: That's going to be a big contract if they can
Speaker 3: get him to an extension.
Speaker 1: Yes, Suz Numbers, I mean you're we're talking about apples
Speaker 1: and Oranges just because of what you know, won the
Speaker 1: pedigree to the fact that you know, major league service
Speaker 1: time wise, it's totally different because he's closer and he's
Speaker 1: closer to cre agency than than Sanchez is. But he's
Speaker 1: also done it in the biggest stage in two different
Speaker 1: ways as a closer and a starter. And he has
Speaker 1: some of the most amazing numbers in postseason play, which
Speaker 1: is really where you know, the rubber meets the road.
Speaker 1: He's done it. He's done it in the most important
Speaker 1: times of the season. And uh yeah this I mean
Speaker 1: Ranger Suarez. You know, barring something catastrophic, this young man
Speaker 1: is going to be paid. And John Middleton and Dave
Speaker 1: Dombrowski are intelligent men, uh and they are not going
Speaker 1: to let that guy slip away because they know he's
Speaker 1: just too important.
Speaker 2: So is there pressure on a GM front office to
Speaker 2: tackle this this offseason?
Speaker 3: I guess right. I mean, you don't want him to
Speaker 3: get to free agency, but the Phillies let Nola.
Speaker 2: Get the free agency and they locked him up. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe this is a different situation, but is there is
Speaker 2: there pressure going into the off season, like we got
Speaker 2: to get Ranger locked up or do you can you
Speaker 2: not think that way, do you?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's so many there's so many different factors
Speaker 1: about this. So it's one relationship. I think for me,
Speaker 1: it's the relationship of the Yeah, it's the relationship of
Speaker 1: the of the organization with the agent David Rowski and
Speaker 1: Sam and Sam with the you know, with with the agent.
Speaker 1: There is the willingness of the player to want to
Speaker 1: stay at home in Philadelphia, not necessarily giving a hometown discount,
Speaker 1: but just not wanting to necessarily want to wait to
Speaker 1: free agency. There is the confidence of the player and
Speaker 1: him saying, well, I'm going to get better and better
Speaker 1: and better. So I'm going to wait and I'm going
Speaker 1: to like you know, I'm going to wait for every
Speaker 1: you know, the thirty plus teams that are going to
Speaker 1: be making a run at me. There's a there's a
Speaker 1: lot of different things that are associated with doing a
Speaker 1: deal like that, and so I'm I don't know all
Speaker 1: the inner workings of all those pieces, but they're all factors.
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. And you know, his overall
Speaker 1: health as he continues to work through this season, Listen,
Speaker 1: if the guy ends up being like number one number
Speaker 1: two or number three in a cy Young voting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay the map. And I didn't
Speaker 1: never have any problem paying guys who performed. If he
Speaker 1: performed and he believe that he's going to continue to do,
Speaker 1: so the go ahead, you got.
Speaker 2: To do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's you think about what he if.
Speaker 2: I mean right now you're thinking top three cy Young
Speaker 2: Award winner finisher for sure. I mean right now, I
Speaker 2: guess you could say he's the favorite. So that price
Speaker 2: definitely goes up. It is just kind of crazy going
Speaker 2: back though, to think you have Wheeler locked up to
Speaker 2: this massive extension. You just signed Nola to a massive extension.
Speaker 2: You got Sanchez locked up, you know, twenty two and
Speaker 2: a half million with some options down the road, and
Speaker 2: then if God should be signed swore that's a pretty
Speaker 2: heck of a good rotation with whoever the number five starter.
Speaker 3: Ends up being.
Speaker 2: Right now, you have Taiwan Walker signed through two more seasons.
Speaker 2: You have Spencer Turnbull signed through this season. You have
Speaker 2: Andrew Painter probably coming back next season, and you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what his status will be, how it'll
Speaker 2: be throwing or whatever, but you have those guys, you
Speaker 2: have somebody like Andrew Painter possibly down the road.
Speaker 3: Number five starter right now.
Speaker 2: Rubin of course, is a hot button topic because Taiwan
Speaker 2: Walker got hit hard on Friday night. I was at
Speaker 2: the game, brought my family, and he was getting crushed
Speaker 2: with Booze, with the with the home runs, he allowed,
Speaker 2: doesn't throw any splitters. He gets put on the injured
Speaker 2: list because he's got a finger issue, a blister and
Speaker 2: something else going on. Now Spencer Turnbull's back in there.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a weird situation, isn't it with with
Speaker 2: with Walker because he keeps saying is healthy, He's healthy,
Speaker 2: He's healthy. I just don't have to feel for my splitter.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was interesting when Rob Thompson said,
Speaker 2: you know, he's not coming back until he can throw
Speaker 2: his splitter.
Speaker 3: So I understand why. I understand why.
Speaker 1: Well, And it sounds like that there's some something mechanically
Speaker 1: wrong with him, physically wrong with him, and that he
Speaker 1: is not able to grip his splitter the way he
Speaker 1: needs to to have it be effective. And whether it's
Speaker 1: the middle of a finger or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's real. I mean, that's something that
Speaker 1: if I mean, the guy can't grip the baseball properly
Speaker 1: and he can't throw his best pitch, then he becomes
Speaker 1: an ineffective pitcher, and which he has been over like
Speaker 1: the last you know, few outings and the fact that
Speaker 1: he hasn't even really been able to pitch them to make,
Speaker 1: you know, to utilize that pitch pretty much all year long, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the guy who used it, what
Speaker 1: thirty six thirty seven percent of the time over his
Speaker 1: last year or two, and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he can't throw the pitch. He's not swearing the pitch.
Speaker 1: There's something wrong with that. And so if you're not
Speaker 1: trusting the pitch and you can't throw it, and you
Speaker 1: physically can't throw it, then there's a reason why he's
Speaker 1: put on the il and so will he be able
Speaker 1: to bounce back from that? Perhaps who knows whether it's
Speaker 1: a tenant issue or blister issue, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 1: but they do have a viable, you know option and
Speaker 1: go with Spencer Turmbull, who pitched extremely well, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're not performing and then you're not
Speaker 1: physically able to perform, then there's every reason why to
Speaker 1: go ahead and put him on the I L and
Speaker 1: allow Spence excuse me, Spencer Turnbull to go ahead and
Speaker 1: take a start.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me put you in this manager's shoes.
Speaker 2: Spencer Turnbull comes out and for the next two or
Speaker 2: three starts pitches really well. Maybe not as good as
Speaker 2: he pitches for a six starts we had like a
Speaker 2: one six seventy, right, but he pitches pretty well. Now
Speaker 2: Taiwan Walker says his finger feels better and he's starting
Speaker 2: to throw a splitter.
Speaker 1: What do you do? It's a beautiful one. It's a
Speaker 1: really tough one, and it's a tough one for Nebrowski.
Speaker 1: It's a tough one for John Middleton, it's a tough
Speaker 1: one for for Sam, for Sam Fuld and for Thompson.
Speaker 1: But I'd love to have that problem, okay. I mean,
Speaker 1: as a as a general manager, you're hoping that's the
Speaker 1: problem because you can still slide Turnbull back if he
Speaker 1: you know, you let go ahead, Let Taiwan Walker throw
Speaker 1: a you know, either simulated games or throw as in rehab,
Speaker 1: and see if he's effective enough and how effective that
Speaker 1: splitter is. I mean, there's scouts there, there's people there,
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's all types of ways to measure
Speaker 1: that pitch and to see if that is working for
Speaker 1: him and it's effective, and you give him another chance.
Speaker 1: Now that said, at some point, if he comes back
Speaker 1: and he's not effective, then I gotta believe it that
Speaker 1: the Phillies will make a change and they'll let Spencer Turmer,
Speaker 1: especially if Spencer Turnbull is throwing well in that spot
Speaker 1: or when he gets those you know, however many chances
Speaker 1: he gets over the next you know, several weeks, whether
Speaker 1: it's three starts, whether it's four starts, however many starts
Speaker 1: it is. If he's pitches effectively, then I think and
Speaker 1: and then they give Tewan Walker another shot at it.
Speaker 1: I think the leash becomes shorter and shorter. And we've
Speaker 1: talked about that leash. I think it becomes short and
Speaker 1: shorter because they're in it to win it, they're not
Speaker 1: in it to lose it. The one thing that does
Speaker 1: become a bit of a factor is you just do
Speaker 1: not know if Taiwan Walker can pitch out of the pen.
Speaker 1: You know that Spencer Turnbull has done it, not a lot,
Speaker 1: but has done it and can do it, and so
Speaker 1: that is also one of those pieces of the pie
Speaker 1: that are pieces of the decision that you have to make.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be interesting. I guess you're right, Ruben.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 3: They could based off how he's thrown it that goes
Speaker 3: in a rehab assignment. The splitter's not there. It's an
Speaker 3: easier decision, it's easier call to make. Maybe.
Speaker 2: I remember you saying when they first put Walker back
Speaker 2: in the rotation, you said maybe four or five starts.
Speaker 2: He's gotten a little bit more than that to prove himself.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's an easier argument to make if
Speaker 2: you have to pull him now at the rotation, can say, listen,
Speaker 2: we gave you opportunities, and like you said, we're trying
Speaker 2: to win a World Series.
Speaker 3: You know you got two years left in the deal.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you're not going to start again. You
Speaker 3: can always.
Speaker 2: He might not like that, but that's I think it
Speaker 2: may be an easier conversation to have if it gets
Speaker 2: to that point.
Speaker 1: Well, it might be easier because if you listen, if
Speaker 1: he's not performing, he's not performing right and and listen,
Speaker 1: this is a performance based life and and and industry,
Speaker 1: and especially for a team that is has one goal
Speaker 1: in mind is that to put the best twenty six
Speaker 1: players out on the field to win a World Series.
Speaker 1: And so, hey, you got to live with he's still
Speaker 1: gonna get paid. I don't know what they do with them,
Speaker 1: but he's going to get paid. And whether he throw
Speaker 1: him in as a long guy and make him be
Speaker 1: you know, if somebody breaks down, he's got to come
Speaker 1: in and eat up, you know, eat up some innings
Speaker 1: for you know, a throwaway game. Then hey, my advice
Speaker 1: to that to that young man is, hey, pitch better,
Speaker 1: pitch better, and get yourself and get your job back.
Speaker 1: And so but that's the difficulty in the beauty of
Speaker 1: baseball at major sports, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2: So I want to go back up and I have
Speaker 2: to make a correction on myself. Sanchez's option for twenty
Speaker 2: twenty nine is fourteen million fifteen million dollar option for
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. It escalates, you know, million or two
Speaker 2: if he ends up, you know, being a top finisher
Speaker 2: for the cy young words.
Speaker 3: So I just wanted to.
Speaker 1: I mean, those are those are phenomenal. I mean, and
Speaker 1: I think there are club options. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: they are club options. That's pretty amazing because they basically
Speaker 1: have They've guaranteed them some money, there's no question about it,
Speaker 1: but they also give themselves some protection. Then if this
Speaker 1: guy really pitches well or even as a number three
Speaker 1: or four, fourteen million dollars, oh my goodness, they'll be
Speaker 1: like a steal.
Speaker 3: That'll be a steal in twenty twenty nine. For if
Speaker 3: he's pitching like this.
Speaker 2: Fourteen million dollars in twenty twenty nine for a guy
Speaker 2: that is if again, if he's pitching like this, and
Speaker 2: the buyout too is it's only a one million dollar
Speaker 2: buyout too, so it's really very very club friendly. But
Speaker 2: for him, he's got a lot of security. He's got
Speaker 2: financial securities, so.
Speaker 1: No question about it.
Speaker 3: Is set, it's feeling good about.
Speaker 1: It'll be just fine.
Speaker 3: He'll be just fine, exactly. Did you watch the cool
Speaker 3: Hammill's retirement smer?
Speaker 2: I thought they did a great job with it on Friday,
Speaker 2: and it was really cool. You know, get a great speech,
Speaker 2: Chuch got a great ovation, Charlie got a great ovation.
Speaker 2: It was, it was, it was. They did a really
Speaker 2: nice job. But the Phillies do usually do nice, nice
Speaker 2: jobs with those things.
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of ceremonies like that over the
Speaker 1: years from different organizations, and I can't imagine that there's
Speaker 1: any organization that does it as well or better than
Speaker 1: how the Phillies do it. I mean, it's really spectacular.
Speaker 1: The fact that they brought back so many people, they
Speaker 1: spared no expense. I think that John Middleton and many
Speaker 1: many others in the front office are trying to make
Speaker 1: sure or that the people that the history of this franchise,
Speaker 1: especially the people who have had great success here, that
Speaker 1: they are honored and revered and remembered well. And it
Speaker 1: was great to see this happen. Unfortunately, I wasn't not
Speaker 1: their lie, but I watched a lot of the ceremony
Speaker 1: and seen a lot of the stuff on it, and listen,
Speaker 1: they all those guys they deserve the love. They deserve
Speaker 1: it because he did something that was so extraordinary in
Speaker 1: those two playoff series that has never been matched by
Speaker 1: a Philly player. I mean, I'm sorry, it just hasn't
Speaker 1: ever happened. And for him to almost not single handedly,
Speaker 1: but for him to do what he did to bring
Speaker 1: a World Series championship to Philadelphia, I mean, you got
Speaker 1: to spread the love to him. Man, There's no question
Speaker 1: about it, and he deserved a great speech too, And
Speaker 1: I think it was cool that he honored and talked
Speaker 1: about a lot of the people that affected him along
Speaker 1: the way totally.
Speaker 2: And I thought just the fact that he said, now
Speaker 2: it's there turn pointing into the Phillies, Doug guy, it
Speaker 2: was a really cool moment. You know, fans got fired up,
Speaker 2: and uh, Matt Gelby talked about a story he wrote earlier.
Speaker 2: He wrote something in The Athletic talking about maybe Cole
Speaker 2: getting involved with the Phillies organization. And you know, I
Speaker 2: talked with Chuch in London. He was supposed to be
Speaker 2: in spring training this year. It didn't It kind of
Speaker 2: had to pull out out the last minute. It would
Speaker 2: be nice to see more of those eight guys get
Speaker 2: more involved and see them around a little bit more
Speaker 2: because they can provide real value, you know, telling me
Speaker 2: Chuch can't help a young catcher in the in the
Speaker 2: minor league side during spring training, or you know, even
Speaker 2: just work with the major league guys and Cole Hamill's
Speaker 2: working on the pitches on you know, the mental side
Speaker 2: of the game and just you know whatever, I mean,
Speaker 2: just talking talking to guys. It would be really cool
Speaker 2: to see more of those guys at the ballpark in
Speaker 2: spring training, special instructors and maybe just throughout the year
Speaker 2: in some you know, whatever capacity they could possibly help
Speaker 2: out in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, it's it's a no brainer. And I
Speaker 1: do know that John Middleton really believes in that and
Speaker 1: how how important that is. There are there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people in baseball in this day and age
Speaker 1: who don't they want to like separate themselves. Oh, we're
Speaker 1: our own organization. Now, we're a totally different organization. Now, Well,
Speaker 1: guess what, there's some history and there's a reason why
Speaker 1: these guys have success, and they can provide a little
Speaker 1: bit of a knowledge and and advice and just being around,
Speaker 1: you know, just being around those other players, they can
Speaker 1: learn a lot of things. I think the special instructors
Speaker 1: in spring training is a phenomenal way to get these
Speaker 1: guys more and more involved. It's just I had the
Speaker 1: feeling when we even when we did the podcast with
Speaker 1: with Cole and having talked with him a little bit
Speaker 1: off camera that that I think he really feels like
Speaker 1: he wants to get back in a little bit more involved. Now.
Speaker 1: All these guys have young kids, children, they got stuff
Speaker 1: to do. But I do think that it seems like
Speaker 1: the Victorino's and hopefully the Utley's at one point, and
Speaker 1: the hammels Is of the world, and even Jimmy Rollins
Speaker 1: a little bit and those kind of guys. Just to
Speaker 1: have them around and to be a part of it,
Speaker 1: I think that, uh, there's nothing but positivity that can
Speaker 1: happen with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt would be cool to see those guys
Speaker 2: and bring training. Fans would love it as well, seeing
Speaker 2: those guys. You know, it was cool. It was cool
Speaker 2: on Friday night. We'll Ruben, we'll be back later this week.
Speaker 2: I think Jim will be off his assignment. Maybe he'll
Speaker 2: be back.
Speaker 1: Well, let's see if the thumb comes back. We need that.
Speaker 3: We need that thumb back, all right, talk to your Rubens.
Speaker 2: Hey, I got I guess wait, I guess I have
Speaker 2: to drop a smellula right.
Speaker 1: Smell you later, Ruben, Smell your Todd.
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