1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Hi, this is call Hamil's Welcome to the Philly Show. 2 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Philly Show. Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, 3 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: Jim Salisbury. I'm todd so lucky, Ruben. 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 3: We are. We're in a duet situation. 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're missing. We're missing a big link. 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: Jimmy is on assignment, so he's unable to join us today. 7 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: We're missing our big toe. 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: We are missing our big te Jim. We miss you. 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 3: Come back, not seriously, Jim. We'll be back later this week. 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: He could not make it before the Phillies opened the 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: series Monday night in Detroit. 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 3: But we got a lot to talk about, Ruber. 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: I mean kind of a kind of a really big 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: news weekend for the Phillies starts with the Christopher Sanchez 15 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: twenty two and a half million dollars four year extension. 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 3: This extension, to me, Rubin explains just how impossibly difficult 17 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: it is, I think to build a. 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: Franchise and an organization. Because you think about December of 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, the Tampa Bay Rays had to place him 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: on the forty men roster, and they're like, we have 21 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 2: some guys that are are better than him, so they 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: trade him to the Phillies for Curtis Mead. He's a 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: hard throwing lefty, and then he kind of like hit 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: some bumps in the road, the velocity drops, He's not 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: thrown strikes. Curtis Mead then becomes this top one hundred prospect. 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: This trade looks like a total bust. And then last 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: spring the Phillies are looking for a number five starter 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: and I'm sorry, spring of twenty twenty three and it's 29 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: like Bailey Folter versus Andrew Painter Sanchez. Nah, you know, 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: we know he's not going to make the team, and 31 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: now he's got a twenty two and a half million 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: dollar contract. 33 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: I mean, is that. 34 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: It's just just shows you how like unpredictable and everything 35 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: is in player development, is right, I mean, what do 36 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 2: you think about just how that whole storyline, It. 37 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: Really is one of the things we talk about the 38 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: beauty of baseball time, right, and and you know everybody 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: wants to assess trades and decisions, uh, and then you 40 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: want to look at things like in a vacuum. Guess what, 41 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: you have to kind of wait things out and see 42 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: how things play out. Because baseball is like no other sport. 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: You just don't know whether I mean, even the greatest 44 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: prospects in the world can fizzle out when they get 45 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: to the major leagues, or they can have one or 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: two great, great years and then become that they can 47 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: be the rookie of the year and then become nothing. 48 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: And and it's it's really is an amazing sport in 49 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: that regard. And this is one of those situations where, hey, 50 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: we're taking a chance in the Matt clintac and the 51 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: people take a chance on a big arm left hander 52 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: right And you know, I I just just in general, 53 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: when you start thinking about left handed pitchers, especially really 54 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: tall and lanky and leverage guys with a lot of 55 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 1: levers and leverage. I always I've talked to scouts over 56 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: the years, you just don't know when those guys are 57 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: going to be able to put their bodies in a 58 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: position to have success. In other words, can they ever 59 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: get consistent enough with their deliveries? Can they ever put 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: all the pieces in the parts together on a frame 61 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: like that to get to the point where they can 62 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: be effective major league players or consistent major league players. 63 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 1: And this is guy, this is a guy that, to 64 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: his credit, got to that space. It took him a 65 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: little bit of time to get there, because I will 66 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: tell you I've seen a lot of baseball on my day, 67 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: and this is one of the most amazing transformations of 68 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: a pitcher I've ever seen. And I'm not trying to 69 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm not overstating this. By the time you're twenty five 70 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: or twenty six years old, you probably have a pretty 71 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: good idea what this guy is going to be, what 72 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: a player is going to be, whether he's gotten to 73 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: the big leagues or you know it's fairly close, or 74 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: he's had a little taste or what have you. And 75 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: when he first got to the big leagues, I look 76 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: to this guy and go, Wow, he's just he's just 77 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: a thrower. He has no idea where his fastball's going. 78 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: He's throwing ninety five or ninety six miles an hour. 79 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: At times he'll at ninety seven, and you're going, this 80 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: guy just doesn't For number one, he doesn't know where 81 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: his fastball's going. And number two, he doesn't have a 82 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: breaking pitch. He doesn't have a nice pitch. So you're 83 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: thinking yourself, Okay, this this was just sort of a 84 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: throwaway deal because he just doesn't He's not going to 85 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: be able to make the adjustments to be mechanically sad 86 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: enough to be able to pitch well. I mean, it 87 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: was obvious, and Matt gil had a great story about 88 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: it and talked a little bit about you know, his 89 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: over his development. But you know, it sort of takes 90 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: a village, you know. I think Cessar almost had a 91 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: little bit to do it him. He was a coach 92 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: in Triple A. I think, you know, Kevin Coffam obviously 93 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: has to get some love for it. But but really, 94 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: if the onus is on the pitcher, the picture himself, Chris, 95 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: you know, Christopher, he just decided, you know what, I'm 96 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: not going back down again. I'm gonna do what I 97 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: need to do and make the adjustments me personally to 98 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: be viable major league pitcher. And boy did he pitch 99 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: well at the end of the year last year and 100 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: put you basically, he changed his whole program. He became 101 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: a pitcher, he started throwing strikes more consistently, and actually, 102 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, beat out Bailly Falter and knocked him off 103 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: the you know, off off the grid, and uh, he 104 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: ended up being a pretty viable, you know, starter for them. 105 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: Still didn't know what what he was going to be 106 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: when you know, he rolled into spring training. But what 107 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: that that that transformation of one having one of the 108 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: best pitches in baseball now the change up with the 109 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: great arm action, great action, and great success with it. 110 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: And then not only that, but he also started developing 111 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: like a slider. All of a sudden, he had like 112 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: a breaking pitch. 113 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: Oh my good, right, you know, to me, it was 114 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: you know, it was funny. 115 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: I was. I went back the past couple of days 116 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: and I read a lot of the stories that were 117 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: written when the Phillies got him in that trade, and 118 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: even the Phillies were saying, like, he's a hard throwing lefty. 119 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: We like that, he's tall, we like that. It's kind 120 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 3: a decent slider and a decent change up. 121 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: And it's just funny to think about now because that 122 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: change up has become, like you said, one of the 123 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 2: best pitches in baseball. I mean that game late late 124 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: last season against the Braves where he had, you know, 125 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: got like a ton of swings and misses and through 126 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: just a ton of change ups. But back when they 127 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: got him in December twenty nineteen, they're like, yeah, he's 128 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: he throws hard. Maybe he'll get something else going on, 129 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: and now he finally got it. 130 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: So it's interesting. So over the weekend, you know, Cole 131 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: Hamilton gets retired, I think it retires as affilly, and 132 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: you start thinking about left handers, and you start thinking 133 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: about tall left handers, okay, and why they become like 134 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: so important if they really get it, you know, if 135 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: they actually get it, because they can create. And I 136 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: was watching some of the film and I had forgotten, like, 137 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, Cole Hamil's with his delivery. He had so 138 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: much unbelievable leverage. He worked down down the slope, as 139 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: we talked about and as scouts talk about, and and 140 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: for a hitter, when you're looking at a pitch it's 141 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: down angle like that, I mean, it's it's difficult, sorry, 142 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: difficult to hit. But when you have that kind of 143 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: down angle and you can and you can master your 144 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: ability to throw a couple of different pitches with that 145 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: angle and throw strikes with it, you can have a 146 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: lot of success. And that's kind of what's having on. 147 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: Christopher Sanchez is a tall dude. He's got some serious leverage, 148 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: and so now he's gotten to the point where, Okay, 149 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: now I'm throwing ninety four, ninety five, ninety six, because 150 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: now I'm confident with my stuff and my ability to 151 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: repeat my fastball and to throw it where I want to, 152 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: and I know that these guys are not going to 153 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: be able to handle my change up, and so it's 154 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: just it's it's a great story. It's a great signing. 155 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: He doesn't even I mean, I overstate this. He doesn't 156 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: have to even have a great career. But the importance 157 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: of sparring pitching is so high right now that hey, man, 158 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: why not lock up a guy and let him feel 159 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: confident about himself. Typically, you don't want to sign a 160 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: guy when he's pitching at the top of his game, 161 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: but because you want to kind of wait for the 162 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: guy that you know, maybe you get a little discount 163 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: because the guy's not throwing all that well. But in 164 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: this case, I think they got a very reasonable contract 165 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: for a guy who I believe that will continue to 166 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: get better and better and better. And he's one of 167 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: the better pitchers in all of baseball right now. 168 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: It's incredible, that's the thing, dah. 169 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: He's kind of flying under the radar when you talk 170 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: to it about Wheeler and Nola and Suarez certainly, and 171 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: he's right up there when you look at some of 172 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: those numbers, you know, eer and just you know, overall production, 173 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: he's been fantastic. Yes, twenty two and a half million dollar, 174 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: four year deal, a couple bonut. 175 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: A couple of options down the road. 176 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, sixteen million and twenty twenty nine can escalate 177 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: if he you know, up to twenty nine or nineteen 178 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: million and twenty thirty based on some. 179 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 3: Incentives and things like that. But seems like you know 180 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: they're locking up that pitching. 181 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: So my question now, Ruben, is they locked up Christopher 182 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: Sanchez the other guys out there now? 183 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 3: Raiders swore as sure, and he. 184 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: Will not be signing an extension for twenty two and 185 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 2: a half million dollars if he signs one. Oh no, 186 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: he's so ranger has He's got this year, he's got 187 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: next year his last year of arbitration, and then he's 188 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: a free agent after twenty twenty five. And this might 189 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: be a dumb question, Rubina is I know you put 190 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 2: starting pitch above everything else, but can you lock up too. 191 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 3: Many starting pitchers? Can you? 192 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: Can you put that much money into your rotation? Again, 193 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: I said, I say, maybe that's a dumb question, but 194 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: how do you if. 195 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 3: You're in Dave Dombrowski's shoes. How do you look at it? 196 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: It's like, no, we just have to do this, and 197 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: we're just gonna have four guys locked up. 198 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: What do you do? 199 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: I think you lock them all up? Okay? I mean 200 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: I I yeah, I mean and for me And again, 201 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, you're preaching in a little bit of the 202 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: choir in that I believe in starting pitching. And if 203 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: you have good quality starting pitching, boy, oh boy, you 204 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: need to hold on to it. Now. There's no question 205 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: and not everybody's gonna hit. You're not gonna make the 206 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: right decision on every single one of these guys. Somebody's 207 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: going to get hurt. Somebody's going down eight. There's gonna 208 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: be a ucl taire or an elbow or a brace 209 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. It's going to happen. 210 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: But you sort of have to pay to play. Starting 211 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: pitching is so important. You start thinking about some of 212 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: the guys that are out there and what they what 213 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: they can command. As far as starting I think teams 214 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: are starting to understand that you cannot let your bullpen 215 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: eat up fifty or sixty percent of the innings that 216 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: are required to work your way through a major league season. 217 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: And so I think pitchers who can pitch, who have 218 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: durability and have some length, which all of these guys do. 219 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: And when I say all these guys, I'm talking about Wheeler, Nola, 220 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: Suarez and Sanchez, I mean you gotta kind of lock 221 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: them up because they're just too important. Because I still 222 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: believe this in my heart of hearts, and I'll never 223 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: stop believing it. If I have a solid starting pitcher 224 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: who can give me six to seven innings every single night, 225 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: I know that I have a chance to win every 226 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: single night. And so I I got to live through 227 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Braves ninety. I had to play against them 228 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: in the Atlanta Braves nineties, and yes, it was a magical, 229 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: amazing thing. You had Hall of famers left and right. 230 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: But there's a reason why they won the division for 231 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: fourteen straight years. It's because they had these unbelievable starting 232 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: pitchers who can give you length, they can give you consistency, 233 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: and they can keep you ever in every single baseball game. 234 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 3: That's going to be a big contract if they can 235 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: get him to an extension. 236 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: Yes, Suz Numbers, I mean you're we're talking about apples 237 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: and Oranges just because of what you know, won the 238 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: pedigree to the fact that you know, major league service 239 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: time wise, it's totally different because he's closer and he's 240 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: closer to cre agency than than Sanchez is. But he's 241 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: also done it in the biggest stage in two different 242 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: ways as a closer and a starter. And he has 243 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: some of the most amazing numbers in postseason play, which 244 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: is really where you know, the rubber meets the road. 245 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: He's done it. He's done it in the most important 246 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: times of the season. And uh yeah this I mean 247 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: Ranger Suarez. You know, barring something catastrophic, this young man 248 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: is going to be paid. And John Middleton and Dave 249 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: Dombrowski are intelligent men, uh and they are not going 250 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: to let that guy slip away because they know he's 251 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: just too important. 252 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: So is there pressure on a GM front office to 253 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: tackle this this offseason? 254 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 3: I guess right. I mean, you don't want him to 255 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: get to free agency, but the Phillies let Nola. 256 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: Get the free agency and they locked him up. I mean, 257 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: maybe this is a different situation, but is there is 258 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: there pressure going into the off season, like we got 259 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: to get Ranger locked up or do you can you 260 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 2: not think that way, do you? 261 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 262 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's so many there's so many different factors 263 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: about this. So it's one relationship. I think for me, 264 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: it's the relationship of the Yeah, it's the relationship of 265 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: the of the organization with the agent David Rowski and 266 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: Sam and Sam with the you know, with with the agent. 267 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: There is the willingness of the player to want to 268 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: stay at home in Philadelphia, not necessarily giving a hometown discount, 269 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: but just not wanting to necessarily want to wait to 270 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: free agency. There is the confidence of the player and 271 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: him saying, well, I'm going to get better and better 272 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: and better. So I'm going to wait and I'm going 273 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: to like you know, I'm going to wait for every 274 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, the thirty plus teams that are going to 275 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: be making a run at me. There's a there's a 276 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: lot of different things that are associated with doing a 277 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: deal like that, and so I'm I don't know all 278 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: the inner workings of all those pieces, but they're all factors. 279 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: There's no question about it. And you know, his overall 280 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: health as he continues to work through this season, Listen, 281 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: if the guy ends up being like number one number 282 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: two or number three in a cy Young voting. Yeah, 283 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay the map. And I didn't 284 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: never have any problem paying guys who performed. If he 285 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: performed and he believe that he's going to continue to do, 286 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: so the go ahead, you got. 287 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: To do it. 288 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's you think about what he if. 289 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: I mean right now you're thinking top three cy Young 290 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: Award winner finisher for sure. I mean right now, I 291 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: guess you could say he's the favorite. So that price 292 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: definitely goes up. It is just kind of crazy going 293 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: back though, to think you have Wheeler locked up to 294 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: this massive extension. You just signed Nola to a massive extension. 295 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: You got Sanchez locked up, you know, twenty two and 296 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: a half million with some options down the road, and 297 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: then if God should be signed swore that's a pretty 298 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: heck of a good rotation with whoever the number five starter. 299 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 3: Ends up being. 300 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: Right now, you have Taiwan Walker signed through two more seasons. 301 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: You have Spencer Turnbull signed through this season. You have 302 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: Andrew Painter probably coming back next season, and you know, 303 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: I don't know what his status will be, how it'll 304 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: be throwing or whatever, but you have those guys, you 305 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: have somebody like Andrew Painter possibly down the road. 306 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: Number five starter right now. 307 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: Rubin of course, is a hot button topic because Taiwan 308 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: Walker got hit hard on Friday night. I was at 309 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: the game, brought my family, and he was getting crushed 310 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: with Booze, with the with the home runs, he allowed, 311 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: doesn't throw any splitters. He gets put on the injured 312 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: list because he's got a finger issue, a blister and 313 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: something else going on. Now Spencer Turnbull's back in there. 314 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: It's kind of a weird situation, isn't it with with 315 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: with Walker because he keeps saying is healthy, He's healthy, 316 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: He's healthy. I just don't have to feel for my splitter. 317 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: So I thought it was interesting when Rob Thompson said, 318 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: you know, he's not coming back until he can throw 319 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: his splitter. 320 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: So I understand why. I understand why. 321 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: Well, And it sounds like that there's some something mechanically 322 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: wrong with him, physically wrong with him, and that he 323 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: is not able to grip his splitter the way he 324 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: needs to to have it be effective. And whether it's 325 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: the middle of a finger or whatever the case may be. 326 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's real. I mean, that's something that 327 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: if I mean, the guy can't grip the baseball properly 328 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: and he can't throw his best pitch, then he becomes 329 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: an ineffective pitcher, and which he has been over like 330 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: the last you know, few outings and the fact that 331 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: he hasn't even really been able to pitch them to make, 332 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, to utilize that pitch pretty much all year long, right, 333 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the guy who used it, what 334 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: thirty six thirty seven percent of the time over his 335 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: last year or two, and now all of a sudden, 336 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: he can't throw the pitch. He's not swearing the pitch. 337 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: There's something wrong with that. And so if you're not 338 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: trusting the pitch and you can't throw it, and you 339 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: physically can't throw it, then there's a reason why he's 340 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: put on the il and so will he be able 341 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: to bounce back from that? Perhaps who knows whether it's 342 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: a tenant issue or blister issue, whatever the case may be, 343 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: but they do have a viable, you know option and 344 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: go with Spencer Turmbull, who pitched extremely well, and uh, 345 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: you know, if you're not performing and then you're not 346 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: physically able to perform, then there's every reason why to 347 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: go ahead and put him on the I L and 348 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: allow Spence excuse me, Spencer Turnbull to go ahead and 349 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: take a start. 350 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: Okay, so let me put you in this manager's shoes. 351 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: Spencer Turnbull comes out and for the next two or 352 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: three starts pitches really well. Maybe not as good as 353 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: he pitches for a six starts we had like a 354 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: one six seventy, right, but he pitches pretty well. Now 355 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: Taiwan Walker says his finger feels better and he's starting 356 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 2: to throw a splitter. 357 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: What do you do? It's a beautiful one. It's a 358 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: really tough one, and it's a tough one for Nebrowski. 359 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: It's a tough one for John Middleton, it's a tough 360 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: one for for Sam, for Sam Fuld and for Thompson. 361 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: But I'd love to have that problem, okay. I mean, 362 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: as a as a general manager, you're hoping that's the 363 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: problem because you can still slide Turnbull back if he 364 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, you let go ahead, Let Taiwan Walker throw 365 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: a you know, either simulated games or throw as in rehab, 366 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: and see if he's effective enough and how effective that 367 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: splitter is. I mean, there's scouts there, there's people there, 368 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: there's you know, there's all types of ways to measure 369 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: that pitch and to see if that is working for 370 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: him and it's effective, and you give him another chance. 371 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: Now that said, at some point, if he comes back 372 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: and he's not effective, then I gotta believe it that 373 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: the Phillies will make a change and they'll let Spencer Turmer, 374 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: especially if Spencer Turnbull is throwing well in that spot 375 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 1: or when he gets those you know, however many chances 376 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: he gets over the next you know, several weeks, whether 377 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: it's three starts, whether it's four starts, however many starts 378 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: it is. If he's pitches effectively, then I think and 379 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: and then they give Tewan Walker another shot at it. 380 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: I think the leash becomes shorter and shorter. And we've 381 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: talked about that leash. I think it becomes short and 382 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: shorter because they're in it to win it, they're not 383 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: in it to lose it. The one thing that does 384 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: become a bit of a factor is you just do 385 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: not know if Taiwan Walker can pitch out of the pen. 386 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: You know that Spencer Turnbull has done it, not a lot, 387 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: but has done it and can do it, and so 388 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: that is also one of those pieces of the pie 389 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: that are pieces of the decision that you have to make. 390 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be interesting. I guess you're right, Ruben. 391 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 2: Two. 392 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 3: They could based off how he's thrown it that goes 393 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: in a rehab assignment. The splitter's not there. It's an 394 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 3: easier decision, it's easier call to make. Maybe. 395 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: I remember you saying when they first put Walker back 396 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: in the rotation, you said maybe four or five starts. 397 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: He's gotten a little bit more than that to prove himself. 398 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 2: I feel like it's an easier argument to make if 399 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: you have to pull him now at the rotation, can say, listen, 400 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: we gave you opportunities, and like you said, we're trying 401 00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: to win a World Series. 402 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: You know you got two years left in the deal. 403 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you're not going to start again. You 404 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 3: can always. 405 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 2: He might not like that, but that's I think it 406 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: may be an easier conversation to have if it gets 407 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: to that point. 408 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: Well, it might be easier because if you listen, if 409 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: he's not performing, he's not performing right and and listen, 410 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: this is a performance based life and and and industry, 411 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: and especially for a team that is has one goal 412 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: in mind is that to put the best twenty six 413 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: players out on the field to win a World Series. 414 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: And so, hey, you got to live with he's still 415 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: gonna get paid. I don't know what they do with them, 416 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: but he's going to get paid. And whether he throw 417 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: him in as a long guy and make him be 418 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, if somebody breaks down, he's got to come 419 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: in and eat up, you know, eat up some innings 420 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: for you know, a throwaway game. Then hey, my advice 421 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: to that to that young man is, hey, pitch better, 422 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: pitch better, and get yourself and get your job back. 423 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: And so but that's the difficulty in the beauty of 424 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: baseball at major sports, right. 425 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. 426 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 2: So I want to go back up and I have 427 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: to make a correction on myself. Sanchez's option for twenty 428 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: twenty nine is fourteen million fifteen million dollar option for 429 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. It escalates, you know, million or two 430 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: if he ends up, you know, being a top finisher 431 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 2: for the cy young words. 432 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 3: So I just wanted to. 433 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: I mean, those are those are phenomenal. I mean, and 434 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: I think there are club options. If I'm not mistaken, 435 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: they are club options. That's pretty amazing because they basically 436 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: have They've guaranteed them some money, there's no question about it, 437 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: but they also give themselves some protection. Then if this 438 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: guy really pitches well or even as a number three 439 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: or four, fourteen million dollars, oh my goodness, they'll be 440 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: like a steal. 441 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 3: That'll be a steal in twenty twenty nine. For if 442 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 3: he's pitching like this. 443 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: Fourteen million dollars in twenty twenty nine for a guy 444 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: that is if again, if he's pitching like this, and 445 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 2: the buyout too is it's only a one million dollar 446 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: buyout too, so it's really very very club friendly. But 447 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: for him, he's got a lot of security. He's got 448 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: financial securities, so. 449 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: No question about it. 450 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 3: Is set, it's feeling good about. 451 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: It'll be just fine. 452 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 3: He'll be just fine, exactly. Did you watch the cool 453 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 3: Hammill's retirement smer? 454 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 2: I thought they did a great job with it on Friday, 455 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: and it was really cool. You know, get a great speech, 456 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 2: Chuch got a great ovation, Charlie got a great ovation. 457 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 2: It was, it was, it was. They did a really 458 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 2: nice job. But the Phillies do usually do nice, nice 459 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: jobs with those things. 460 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of ceremonies like that over the 461 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: years from different organizations, and I can't imagine that there's 462 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: any organization that does it as well or better than 463 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: how the Phillies do it. I mean, it's really spectacular. 464 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: The fact that they brought back so many people, they 465 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: spared no expense. I think that John Middleton and many 466 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 1: many others in the front office are trying to make 467 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: sure or that the people that the history of this franchise, 468 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: especially the people who have had great success here, that 469 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: they are honored and revered and remembered well. And it 470 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: was great to see this happen. Unfortunately, I wasn't not 471 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: their lie, but I watched a lot of the ceremony 472 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: and seen a lot of the stuff on it, and listen, 473 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: they all those guys they deserve the love. They deserve 474 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: it because he did something that was so extraordinary in 475 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: those two playoff series that has never been matched by 476 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: a Philly player. I mean, I'm sorry, it just hasn't 477 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: ever happened. And for him to almost not single handedly, 478 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: but for him to do what he did to bring 479 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: a World Series championship to Philadelphia, I mean, you got 480 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: to spread the love to him. Man, There's no question 481 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: about it, and he deserved a great speech too, And 482 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: I think it was cool that he honored and talked 483 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: about a lot of the people that affected him along 484 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: the way totally. 485 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: And I thought just the fact that he said, now 486 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: it's there turn pointing into the Phillies, Doug guy, it 487 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 2: was a really cool moment. You know, fans got fired up, 488 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: and uh, Matt Gelby talked about a story he wrote earlier. 489 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: He wrote something in The Athletic talking about maybe Cole 490 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: getting involved with the Phillies organization. And you know, I 491 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: talked with Chuch in London. He was supposed to be 492 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: in spring training this year. It didn't It kind of 493 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 2: had to pull out out the last minute. It would 494 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: be nice to see more of those eight guys get 495 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 2: more involved and see them around a little bit more 496 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: because they can provide real value, you know, telling me 497 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: Chuch can't help a young catcher in the in the 498 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 2: minor league side during spring training, or you know, even 499 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 2: just work with the major league guys and Cole Hamill's 500 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: working on the pitches on you know, the mental side 501 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: of the game and just you know whatever, I mean, 502 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: just talking talking to guys. It would be really cool 503 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: to see more of those guys at the ballpark in 504 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: spring training, special instructors and maybe just throughout the year 505 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: in some you know, whatever capacity they could possibly help 506 00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: out in. 507 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, it's it's a no brainer. And I 508 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: do know that John Middleton really believes in that and 509 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: how how important that is. There are there are a 510 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: lot of people in baseball in this day and age 511 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: who don't they want to like separate themselves. Oh, we're 512 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: our own organization. Now, we're a totally different organization. Now, Well, 513 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: guess what, there's some history and there's a reason why 514 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: these guys have success, and they can provide a little 515 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: bit of a knowledge and and advice and just being around, 516 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: you know, just being around those other players, they can 517 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: learn a lot of things. I think the special instructors 518 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: in spring training is a phenomenal way to get these 519 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: guys more and more involved. It's just I had the 520 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 1: feeling when we even when we did the podcast with 521 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: with Cole and having talked with him a little bit 522 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: off camera that that I think he really feels like 523 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: he wants to get back in a little bit more involved. Now. 524 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: All these guys have young kids, children, they got stuff 525 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: to do. But I do think that it seems like 526 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: the Victorino's and hopefully the Utley's at one point, and 527 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: the hammels Is of the world, and even Jimmy Rollins 528 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: a little bit and those kind of guys. Just to 529 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: have them around and to be a part of it, 530 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 1: I think that, uh, there's nothing but positivity that can 531 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: happen with that. 532 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt would be cool to see those guys 533 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: and bring training. Fans would love it as well, seeing 534 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: those guys. You know, it was cool. It was cool 535 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: on Friday night. We'll Ruben, we'll be back later this week. 536 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 2: I think Jim will be off his assignment. Maybe he'll 537 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: be back. 538 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: Well, let's see if the thumb comes back. We need that. 539 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 3: We need that thumb back, all right, talk to your Rubens. 540 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 2: Hey, I got I guess wait, I guess I have 541 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: to drop a smellula right. 542 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: Smell you later, Ruben, Smell your Todd. 543 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 4: This is the Philly Show. If you haven't already, please 544 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 4: subscribe to The Philly Show wherever you get your podcasts. 545 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 4: You can also watch us on our YouTube channel. If 546 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 4: you like what we do, give us a review, tell friend, 547 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 4: catch Rubenjim and Me on Phillies Nation TV, presented by 548 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 4: Valley Forge Tourism. 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