1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. So 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: Michael Very Show is on the air on the evening 3 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: channel thirteen kt r K News with Marvin Zendler, Dave Ward, 4 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: Sheriff Fryar and investigations led by Wayne del Chaffino. Those 5 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: that was the news when I came to Houston. I've 6 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: always followed the career of Vandel Chefino. We got to 7 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: know each other pretty well over the years, and he 8 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: is our guest. Let's talk about the Wandel career. We'll 9 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: start at the beginning. Where were you born? Where'd you 10 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: go to high school? I know most of this, but 11 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: most folks probably don't. 12 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: I'm born in Brooklyn, and you know, you have the 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: Flappers state that stays with you your entire life and 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: because you learned a cust at an early age. I 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: moved to Houston. My dad was in the beauty business 16 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: and moved down in a beat supply business, move down 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 2: here and went to high school at Dell Air. 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: What did your dad do? 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: My dad used to own beauty salons in Brooklyn and 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: he left that business and became the rep for a 21 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: company that was distributing beauty products in the South. It 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: was an a Italian thing. I don't want to say 23 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: it was a mob thing, but it was clearly an 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: Italian thing. Okay. The Italians owned a lot of those 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: beauty supply operations, and what was the best it was 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: selling these supplies everything from brushes to champous, all that 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Right, And when my dad died, weirdly, 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: they did not hire anyone else because they wanted me 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: to decide if I wanted to go in that business. 30 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: Clearly I did not. I was already in radio for 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: six or seven years. I had worked at kilby J. 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: I worked at k TRH. I did the weekend fishing 33 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: news at three four in them and every week in 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: Austin I would drive home to do the early morning news. 35 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: And radio, you know. 36 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: And that's kind of one of the differences, Michael, if 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: I get say real quick, you know, I have a 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: number of employees, right, some of them I love, some 39 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: of them I sort of like, right, but they don't. 40 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: If it's five o'clock, yeah, the bell rings. Okay, you 41 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: think you have a horn in here, like it's a 42 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: factory in the old days, Like you're punching out of 43 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: time clock. They're all ready to go. They give me 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: in the middle of some big investigation and they're ready 45 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: to go. We we guys like me and guys like you. 46 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: We worked our butts off, yeah, all the time, to 47 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: the detriment of our families, but we were trying to 48 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: provide for our families and also move up the ladder. 49 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: A lot of the young people have lost that. It's 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: still true that if you work your butt off, your 51 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: boss has noticed that. 52 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt, no doubt. You know you and I've 53 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: had this conversation before. My first two years in radio, 54 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: I worked for nothing. I got paid nothing. I did 55 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: it because I wanted to get on the air, and 56 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: they offered me, we're going to take Glenn back off, 57 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 1: but we don't have a budget for you. We'll put 58 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: you on and you know you can get the experience. 59 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: And I jumped at it because it was a unique 60 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: experience to be on the radio. But that that work ethic, 61 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: I think there are still young people. I had a 62 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: young kid intern for me over the Christmas break named 63 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: Jack Sussman, and his dad's a very prominent attorney in town. 64 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: Firm called Susman. Godfrey's grandfather was a prominent attorney and 65 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: this little kid worked his tail off. He went and 66 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: trailed John Whitmyer for the day. He went and trailed 67 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: Tom Ramsey, the county commissioner. He wrote up report. I mean, 68 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: this kid has a great, great work ethic, and I 69 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: think that I tell my kids all the time, if 70 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: you'll just be really good, you'll be great, because other 71 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: kids are not being taught to be really good. Show 72 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: up early, stay late, don't be a distraction, work through lunch. 73 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: You'll be shocked. You'll move to the top of the 74 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: chain very fast. All right, So you start at LBKLBJ 75 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: and kt R, and then when where was the break 76 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: that got you into television? 77 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: So I was doing the talk show and doing it 78 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: destigations back in the late seventies early eighties. For those 79 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: people that are old at me, don't remember that kJ 80 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: H was a big investigative juendernaut. I sent some guy 81 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: to prison for a summer food program fraud. I saw 82 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: him years later and I sort of recognized him and 83 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: he was staring me down, and I remember that I 84 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: sent him to prison. So in nineteen eighty five, they 85 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: kJ RIS hired a total jerk to be the general manager, 86 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: and so I wanted to get the hell out of there. 87 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: A number of people I knew had gone to Channel thirteen. 88 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: Channel thirteen gave me a tryout because my knowledge as 89 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: an investigative reporter in town. So it made up for 90 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: the fact that I wasn't a pretty boy. You know, 91 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: I wore different color socks, I had taper on my glasses, right, 92 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: I was. I was a total radio guy. Right, I 93 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: was not a TV guy, not pretty, But they thought 94 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: that they could. Back then, they were looking for personality players, right, 95 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: people that would become people that the station could grow around. Right. 96 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 2: It was a it was a good idea. It was 97 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: a little bit of a you know, a weird bunch 98 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: of personalities, but we all got along as family. I 99 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: can't tell you how much I miss the camaraderie and 100 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: the expertise of the reporters during that eighties and nineties 101 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: early two thousand period. They were all in town for years. 102 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: They knew the town, they knew the players, they knew 103 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: what was going on behind the scenes, which gave people 104 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: a much better view of what was happening. I don't 105 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: think you have that anymore. People stay up for three 106 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: years and they get the hell out. 107 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they're moving to another market. You know, 108 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: looking back, it was an all star team. It was 109 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: a powerhouse. I mean Dave Ward, Sheriff Fryar, Marvin Zember, 110 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: you doing investigations. I mean that was it was number 111 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: one in the market. Forever that station was dominating the market. 112 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: I have to think that you didn't think that would 113 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: ever end. 114 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I really did. Look. I remember doing a 115 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: story on Center Point right, Center Point came out with 116 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: how many lights were out in the city, and I said, 117 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: that's bold, right, because I drive down streets all the 118 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: time with light got So we were at one one night, 119 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: a couple of nights with little cameras and we counted, 120 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: you know, the lights that were out, right, and we 121 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 2: asked people to come out and let us know if 122 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: their lights were out. We ended up delivering the Center 123 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: Point thousands and thousands of lights that they needed to repair, right, 124 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: which totally, totally, you know, screw up their numbers, right. 125 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: I At the end we were left hitting constables and 126 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: that one got indicted. One was too stupid to be indicted. 127 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: So we were I think in the last year my 128 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: group won seventeen Emmys among us for the work we've 129 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: done in the photography, the editing, blah blah blah. But 130 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: it was very clear that my relationship with the lawyers 131 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: had reached a point where I was saying expletives to 132 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: them almost every day, right, get off my butt. You know, 133 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: the process for reviewing what we did became unworkable, and 134 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: I I you know, as you know, I have MSS. 135 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: I have like the good kind, I guess, but you 136 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: know it was affecting my health too. I was just 137 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: I was exhausted coming home every day. Not because of 138 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: the people I was investigating, because I don't care. It 139 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: was the internal politics and legal review. The lawyers were 140 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: in charge, and so I had to I had to 141 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: get out. I knew it was coming to an end, 142 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: but I was surprised when you know, my my choice 143 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: was either not do investigations and stay there or get 144 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: the hell out. And I care too much about busting 145 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: crooks and people and screwed people over. That's what I do. 146 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: That's what I've always done, and that's what I do. 147 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: Michael, Mary. 148 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: Wayne Georgia Fino as our guest, There's so many stories 149 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: you've done on politicians, both at Channel thirteen and now 150 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: on your own. Let's go to by far the most 151 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: famous case of a reporter politician spat in Houston history 152 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: in the course of my lifetime, and I came in 153 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: eighty nine. It precedes that, and it of course became 154 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: a very famous court case, and it is studied in 155 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: law schools, it is studied in newsrooms, it is widely 156 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: widely discussed. I'll set the table. The year is nineteen 157 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: ninety one. Kathy Whitmeyer is a ten year mayor of 158 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: the City of Houston. She is challenged by a state 159 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: rep named Sylvester Turner who happen to be black, and 160 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: Bob Lanier, who tried to get Rodney Ellis into that 161 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: race interestingly and then pushes Sylvester in to split the 162 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: vote and Lanier would end up winning the race. But 163 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: before that happened, there was a runoff, and that runoff 164 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: did not include the sitting mayor, Kathy Whitmeyer. It included 165 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: this upstart set councilor. I'm a state representative from Akers 166 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: Homes in the northwest side named Sylvester Turner, quick talking Turner 167 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: had ken Lay gave him fifty thousand. I'll never forget 168 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: that when he announced and John, the guy who was 169 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: found John Moores of BMC, and this was a young 170 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: black mayor and Heuston need to have a young black mayor. 171 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: And then Lanier was a moderate Democrat back when we 172 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: had those who was a real estate developer, real smart guy, 173 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: policy wank kind of guy. And Lanier and Turner make 174 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: it into the runoff, and Turner, it is argued, was 175 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: leading in the polls, but Turner had some baggage. And 176 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: at that moment, just around h the runoff time, Wayne 177 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: Delchafino runs with a story that I can't tell you 178 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: how many political gatherings I've been at that that story 179 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: comes up as a source of conversation. Why don't you talk, 180 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: I'm gona turn off my microphon. Why don't you tell 181 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: what happened from your side? I'm assuming you can by 182 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: now and tell that story. 183 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: All right. So sure was running for mayor as a 184 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: married guy, but in reality he was living with another guy. 185 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: And I'm not judging somebody's sexuality. I don't really care. 186 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: But the guy came off as a playma, okay, And 187 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: I say that in a nice ways I could. There 188 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: was a client of Sylvesters that sign of will and 189 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: a few days later supposedly drowned in Galveston Bay, fell 190 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: off a fishing boat despite his fear of the water. Okay, 191 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 2: there were two other guys on the boat. We did 192 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 2: a story that raised questions about Turner's relationship with him, 193 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: and the story in part was based on a story 194 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: affigated we had gotten from the wife through a private investigator. 195 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: There was also people that were linked to the Veneer campaign. Look, 196 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: people don't bring you us stories because of motherhood and 197 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 2: apple pie very often right the biggest stories. They have 198 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: an axe to grind, and it's nice to know the acts, 199 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, if what they're 200 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: seeing is true, it doesn't really matter. So I do 201 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: this story questioning the relationships. 202 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: Well, just let me that was Clyde Wilson, the private investigator. 203 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 2: It was actually another guy who gave me that affigat, 204 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: but Clyde was in it to Clyde Wilson was a 205 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: famous private investigator, major troublemaker. I work with him a 206 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 2: lot on cases. Okay, so we do the story questioning 207 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: Turner's relationship. What do you knew about this guy? Turner 208 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: went to Harvard Okay, so he's not stupid, So didn't 209 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: you think it was weird when the guy signs the 210 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: wheel on a one day and a couple days later 211 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: he falls off a boat. And let me add to 212 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: this that the Secret Service had already told them that 213 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: they were going to arrest him for credit card fraud. Right, 214 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: so he disappeared conveniently just right before the Secret Service 215 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: was going to arrest him. So turn us claiming we 216 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: accused him of being a active conspirator. I still make 217 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: it this day that story didn't say that. But we're 218 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: a six seven week trial. We were forced to use 219 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: all of Turner's scum dog friends to try to help 220 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: us prove that Turner knew a lot more about this 221 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: than he did what he said. Okay, we lost the trial. 222 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: When I appealed, Pillscourt said it was actually the truth 223 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: was worse than what we reported. The text subrene Court. 224 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: It was right after the tobacco saying I was the 225 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: first reporter to go before them, and they made this 226 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: ruling that they never really enforced because it was a 227 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 2: dumb ruling. It was a ruling about libel by implication 228 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: and libel by omission. So if I do a story 229 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 2: in you, Michael, and I don't mention that you also 230 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: give one thousand dollars to veterans every day whatever, right 231 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 2: that somehow that's like omission and that's libelous. My position 232 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: is I'm doing sorry that X. I don't need to 233 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: talk about the fact that God gives money to the 234 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: boy scouts. Who cares. Got nothing to do with my 235 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: story anyway. But the case has been studied by journalism 236 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: people and law school people, blah blah blah. Interestingly, I 237 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: have stayed in contact with the guy who faked his death, Okay, 238 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 2: turned out that the nigh Syvester Foster. Turned out that 239 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: right before the runoff election, I learned that he had 240 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: been busted in Spain and was in prison in a 241 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: town called Salamanca. So we confirmed that and then went 242 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: to Turner's house with the one of the court documents 243 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: to say, hey, this guy's alive right now. He'd been 244 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: in prison for about two years a writing. So how 245 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: did his best friend? The guy Turner was living with 246 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: was one of the big beneficiaries of the insurance. If 247 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: he was a declared dad, A lot of the insurance 248 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: companies didn't buy it. Right, So Turners now apparently living 249 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: with this guy while married, but going through what's going 250 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: to be a pretty nasty divorce because of the allegations 251 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: sexual allegations the wife nade of a Turner and some 252 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: of his friends. And if anyone ever looks at that affidavit, 253 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: it's online. It was mecanted twenty years later. But anyone 254 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: looks at God and then looks at some of the 255 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: biggest contracts Turner, get out law mayor, you will see 256 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: some of the very same people they were hanging around 257 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 2: with in the early the eighties and the nineties. The 258 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: same people. 259 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, his boys. There was a lot of guys grooming 260 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: being done. There were a lot of very questionable characters. 261 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: I think that the point of your story. I didn't 262 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: know you then. I was actually at the university, but 263 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: I was following that case very closely. In fact, I 264 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: was a panelist on a debate that was held at 265 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: the University of Houston because I was a student body president, 266 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: and I asked questions of each of the candidates, and 267 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: Turner was offended because he felt like my question was 268 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: unfair and he took it up with me afterwards and 269 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: in a very threatening tone. And here I am a 270 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: college student. To do a relax I asked you a question. 271 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: So this show was on PBS and this other guy, 272 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: Michael Barry, these are the kind. 273 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: Of guy You're like a smacking ass. 274 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: Yes is Wayne, don't you Phino. There was the perception 275 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: of Turner as being this, you know, Barack Obama, kind 276 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: of transformative figure in Houston politics, and there was this 277 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: undercurrent of this guy's a bad guy. He's engaged in 278 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: some bad stuff. And I think your story. Look, nobody 279 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: cared if he was married to a woman or not. 280 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: Maybe they cared if he was gay or not, but 281 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: there were a lot of things that didn't add up, 282 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: and I think your story sort of revealed this guy's 283 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: claiming he's married to this woman and they have a 284 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: happy marriage, but he actually lives with a dude, and 285 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: the dude is and he's involved. You know that there's 286 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: some allegation that he was driving the ship on the 287 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: insurance scam that he was the lawyer for, and I 288 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: know that was part of lawsuit. But I think there 289 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: was a lot of really squirrely stuff going on. 290 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: There, and that was the point of the story. It 291 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: was relationships. Looked, Michael, we all have squeezy friends, right 292 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: If I do, I have a few and if I 293 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: was running for office, I would get that as far 294 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: away from me as I could, Okay, And so it 295 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: was a it was judgment. It was relationships. Your client 296 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: died a couple of days later, and then you're fighting 297 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: to make sure that you're the guy you're living with 298 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: gets money out of the estate. Even though a fifth 299 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: grader who looked at this would say, well, that's interesting 300 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: just from the day when they get arrested. He drowned 301 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: in Galaxy Bay, I mean, and he went to Harvard. 302 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: He wasn't even like, like mildly interested on where he 303 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: was when I confronted him about it, not even mildly interested. 304 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: If I probably had one of my clients faked his 305 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: death and then turned up in a prisoner a couple 306 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: of years later, and I was his lawyer fighting for him, 307 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 2: I'd be pissed off. Right. The fact that he wasn't 308 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: and the fact that I knew about certain alleged relationships 309 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: made it a story we had to do. And I 310 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: think one of the real sad things about that story 311 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: is that ever since then, the media has been afraid 312 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: to do stories in the final days of a campaign. 313 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 2: And that's what's the point there was a guy in Washington, 314 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: stay if his name was a senator, right, and everybody 315 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 2: knew he was being inappropriate with women. The newspapers knew, 316 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: and they waited it so after the election to report it. Well, 317 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: how the hell does that help Anyway? I felt an 318 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: obligation and I still knew to tell people what I 319 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: know when I can prove it up. 320 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fascinating story, and so much of it's 321 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: interesting because that race was ninety one, and then it's 322 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: twenty years later that Turner runs for mayor. And I 323 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: used to say at the time, I wonder how many 324 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: people realized the scandal that was revealed by Delta Fino's 325 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: case twenty years ago. I think a lot of people 326 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: had forgotten. I ran for mayor and three twelve years 327 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: after all that happened, and there were four of us, 328 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: and Sylvester was in last place. He ran a terrible 329 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: campaign that year, and even then people had forgotten it. It 330 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: was twelve years later. Then add to that another ten 331 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: and he becomes a mayor in a race where people 332 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: had forgotten all of the scandals that had been revealed. 333 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: And as you noted, there were people in his orbit 334 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: that were still in his orbit when he was mayor, 335 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: who were highly suspect, sketchy individuals. You know, you look 336 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: back at some of these people and these are allegations. 337 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: Some of these people do prison time. These are not 338 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: good characters. 339 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 2: You remember the in usiton for those that live in Euston, 340 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: there was a big fight over the airport concessions, right, 341 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 2: papus lost the contract, right, a long time restaurant tour 342 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 2: very well, like in the community they lost the contract. Well, 343 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: the lawyer for the people that won the contract is 344 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: in the affidavit from like what thirty years ago, right. 345 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: The amount of contracts that went to people who were 346 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: not only in his orbit, I'm talking like in his 347 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: orbit right, like close longtime forty year old friends. Is 348 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: just part of the corruption that Whitmeyer found when you 349 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 2: went in you know, the airport, the water plant. I 350 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 2: mean everywhere you look, it's a gravy train. And I 351 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: and it's a gravy train in a lot of places. 352 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 2: And that's what's sad. Without watchdogs, without the gadflies, without 353 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 2: the local newspaper guy or the local TV station, they're 354 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 2: having a field day because. 355 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: They know that no one has the money. 356 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: I get bill I get bills for records, like they 357 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: want eighty thousand dollars to look at somebody's emails. It's like, 358 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: give me a break. 359 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: They just don't want to. They don't want to, they 360 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: don't want to release it. 361 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 2: And so the small towns, it's a field day now. 362 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 2: And I love when someone comes to me. The problem 363 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: is a lot of people come to us and they 364 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: don't have money. And it's not that you're being a 365 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: money ho I've got, you know, eleven people. I have 366 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: a have to share my payroll. I have a payer. 367 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: I'll tell anybody anything. I have a payroll of forty 368 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: thousand dollars or two weeks. I never wanted that to happen, right, 369 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: But I got to keep hiring people to because it's 370 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: very expensive work to go in and improve up corruption. 371 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: It's not like a slam bam. You do one story, 372 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 2: you get out. These are rewards, and part of it 373 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 2: involves trying to get rid of these politicians. In a 374 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: lot of these towns, the local DA's like in South Texas, 375 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: the local DA is a useless twit Okay does nothing. 376 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 2: The Texas Rangers do nothing, and so and the attorney 377 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: down with doesn't have the power that they should in 378 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: this particular state. Every state is different, right, You see 379 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: all these headlines might go from up north where the 380 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: US Attorney is busting public officials for corruption, Boston, New York, 381 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: those places. You don't see it down here. When I 382 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: did the Jerry Oversall investigation that led to a federal 383 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: investigation that US you are out of Washington, not Euston, Right, 384 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: what are they doing? And so in these towns where 385 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: there is no system? And you saw what happened to 386 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: Kim howk right. I've had my problems with him on right. 387 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: I've helped her, I've been against her on stuff. But 388 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: she went after a democratic politics that she thought were cooked, 389 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: and she was right, and they destroyed her politically. That's 390 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: what happened. 391 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: That is the power of Rodney Ellis. He flexed on 392 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: that one, and that should frighten people. That should frighten Democrats, 393 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: because just as he can do the Republicans, he can 394 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: also do the Democrats and absolutely did. Wayndel Teino, I 395 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: am up against a brag. Thank you for taking time. 396 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: I think people have always wondered where you came from, 397 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: what you've done, how you do what you do. I'll 398 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: say it again. I've said it before. If I were 399 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: someone who was trying to expose something bad that someone 400 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: had done to me, or I was filing a suit 401 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: against someone, or I needed the truth to get out 402 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: and I needed the story told, well, I would call 403 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: Wendel Chafino because I think he's very very good at 404 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: doing that and he is tenacious. He is fearless, and 405 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: that is rare in today's world. Wendel ch finol, thanks 406 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: for being with us, budd. 407 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: Let me just say I'm a big fan. You're with Michael. 408 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 2: Your show is very important, especially to stop all the 409 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: creatings going on in this country. 410 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: Thanks. Brother. I've got so many friends who over the 411 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: years have been investigated and had stories run by Dultrafino, 412 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: and I'm going to hear from them today. I can't 413 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: believe you had that pastor on. Well. Here's the deal. 414 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: I have something of a contrarian view on media investigations revelations, 415 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: and that is that we don't get to always like 416 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: everything that is exposed. Right. I will share my friends, 417 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: I won't share your enemies. And so I'm sorry if 418 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: he did a story on you and maybe is wrong. 419 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I had. I had some folks at 420 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: Channel two do some very nasty things to me, and 421 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: I will never forget it, and don't let me catch 422 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: them in a dark alley. But I also understand that 423 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: today and some of those reporters are, you know, around 424 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: doing other things. But I think Channel two does very 425 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: good work today, and you move on, and that's part 426 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: of it. You got to get back up and pick 427 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: yourself up and move on down the road. But in 428 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: any case, be that as it may. Our discussions with 429 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: Andy Kahn Wayne del Teino will be part of a 430 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: series of discussions we will be having with people that 431 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: I find to be interesting in and around Houston and frankly, 432 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: in and around Texas and beyond. Because I enjoy having 433 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: conversations with people and taking them apart and putting them 434 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: back together. I find them to be fascinating and I 435 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: hope you do too. And we're also going to start 436 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: posting these so that you can if you want to 437 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: share them with other people who may want to know 438 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: more about Andy conn or Mandel Chipino. They'll be posted 439 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: to the podcast as an individual and as a YouTube individual. 440 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,959 Speaker 1: Yes yes, yes, yes, there. 441 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 3: You have three different sets of restraints on us as 442 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 3: if we were hard in criminals and murderers. As someone 443 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 3: who majored in African American studies, I can tell you 444 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: that that is the closest I ever felt the slavery 445 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: in my life, being shackled this. 446 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: I was a slave. We did once have slavery, so 447 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: did a lot of other countries, and that was a 448 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: long time ago. And you weren't a slave, and nobody 449 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: you know was a slave, and you're completely stupid for 450 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: bringing this up. I'm not bitching about the Irish potato 451 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: famine because I'm just about as involved with it as 452 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: you are slavery, and we've all heard the arguments one 453 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: way or another, and it's just so tedious. And the 454 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: part that is depressing. I've had friends who've had children 455 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: who they've been in and out of prison and drug 456 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: rehab and committing crimes and causing themselves and other people pain, 457 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: and they're imbalanced and addicted and all these problems, and 458 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: the parents live with a ticking time bomb. You know 459 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: the call is going to come the kid has killed 460 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: themselves or someone else. And it's a very difficult way 461 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: to live life. And there are people who live this 462 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: way every day and you wouldn't know it just looking 463 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: at that person. But they've received seven different phone calls 464 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: course of their life that their kid has done something 465 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: really horrible. One time got so drunk and passed out 466 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: and drove into a ditch and they had to, you know, 467 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: rescue the kid from the bottom of the value. Another time, 468 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: the guy stole a car and smashed into a family 469 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: and three of the kids were pinned and almost died, 470 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: and they had to go to court with their kid. 471 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: You know, your kid's the villain, had to do this 472 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: for long periods of time, and you love your kid, 473 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: but man, you feel for the victims and you're having 474 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: to go through it, and you feel horrible that you're 475 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: being And then there are people who go through this 476 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: and their kid. You hope their kid will snap out 477 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: of it, but frankly, you know there's that the odds 478 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: are probably not and that kid has caused them torment 479 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: and to lay down and die is a relief for 480 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: that parent. And nobody should suffer a curse so awful, 481 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: so wicked, And that's what Nikima is to America. Nakima 482 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: and people like her. No one's ever going to make 483 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: her stop the nonsense and so she's a person who 484 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: behaves in this way because she gets good feedback all 485 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: these cameras for some personalities. When you got all these 486 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: cameras in front of you and microphones, it's a very 487 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: powerful thing. You have the sense of great control because 488 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: every word you're saying, they're rushing, they are contorting their 489 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: bodies in the scrum of the media. They are contorting 490 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: their bodies to get a microphone in front of you. 491 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: Grown men and women, to get a microphone in front 492 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: of you so that whatever words you say can be 493 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: shared with the world. That is, you feel like royalty 494 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: at that moment, especially if you're a Nikima. You talk 495 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: about getting respect, You're being treated like a head of state. 496 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: Whatever you're saying is so important. They're running to get 497 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: to you first so that they can hear what you 498 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: have to say and transmit it back. You are the news, 499 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: You are the super Bowl at that moment, and nobody 500 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: ever says to Nichema, you're an embarrassment, You're a joke. 501 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: The things you say are stupid. Stop protesting, stop harassing people, 502 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: stop terrorizing people, go on a diet, have some self respect. 503 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: Stop saying whatever comes to your mind that some idiot 504 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: has filled you with No one ever says that. So 505 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: what happens. Let's talk realistically. What happens. You have more 506 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,239 Speaker 1: and more in achemas, more and more violent criminals, more 507 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: and more illegal aliens were coming here. Now we're finally 508 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: doing something about it. So these things aren't going away. 509 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: More in a chemists today than they were yesterday. And 510 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: you got the white liberals now who are in stronger 511 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: positions of authority, fewer reasonable people who are still principles 512 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: and superintendents. It's now they are rewarding their own right. 513 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: They are hiring their own teachers and their own people, 514 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: and their own and so now they are consolidating their power. 515 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: So what happens to our actual country? This is a 516 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: part that doesn't get talked about. A poll will tell 517 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: you that this percentage of Americans support Trump, and this 518 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: percentage of Americans want him murdered, and this percentage of 519 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: American thinks that every American's a racist, and this percentage 520 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: of American is just going about their lives and not 521 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: worried about anything. But here's what you don't notice is 522 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: the people who want to burn it all down and 523 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: steal what you have and They're absolutely unreasonable. Those people 524 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: are no longer outsiders. They're no longer people living on 525 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: the edge of town in a commune. They're no longer 526 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: people who are are marginal. They're now people who have 527 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: been placed into positions as police chiefs, as mayors as 528 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: and a police chief and a mayor have a lot 529 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: of power. A congressman doesn't, but a police chief and 530 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: a mayor they have real power, real power to affect 531 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: somebody literally. They have the power for people to live 532 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: and die within within certain circumstances, whereas a congressman really doesn't. 533 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: They just they smithed off all the time. And those 534 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: people like Nikma have gone from being at an inner 535 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: city school that you know, you make a stand by 536 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: Me type movie about about, you know, the kids are 537 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: getting shanked every day and things are really bad, and oh, 538 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: this must be racism. But there's a great you know, 539 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 1: principal who comes in is going to clean this thing up. 540 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: That Nikima used to be a mother of a kid 541 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: at a place like that. Now Nikima is the principal 542 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: or superintendent of a major school district that is a 543 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: mixed race school district that is no longer in the 544 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: inner city but now suburban because we needed to do that. 545 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: Nikima is now the head of the state Troopers, and 546 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: she is the university president, and she is the media reporter, 547 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: and she is the most powerful columnist, and she is 548 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: the And so what happens, what do people do? Americans 549 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: increasingly turn away from public life, They turn away from 550 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: being around other Americans. They move out into the country, 551 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: they disengage, they turn it off. They don't go back 552 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: to the churches that were that way. They don't send 553 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: their kids to the schools that are this way, they 554 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: don't send their kids to the universities that are this way. 555 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: They don't interact, they don't mingle. And so now you've 556 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 1: achieved a segregation that was never expected. And a lot 557 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: of them Americans have literally just dropped off the grid, 558 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: dropped off the system. They now they now operate over here. 559 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: And then the achemas are the one holding their head 560 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: up and marching into city halls and standing out in 561 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: front of UH Congress. I mean this, this, this is 562 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: where we are, and it's a dangerous place.