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Speaker 1: And so what I have done, in an effort to

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Speaker 2: I've been doing things, like I'm not into drugs. I

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00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 2: used to be then, but I've been dabbling with like

441
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 2: compressed air. Getting a rush off of compressed air. Not

442
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 2: the most dangerous thing in the world. But I'm well

443
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: aware you put it, I'm putting great you asked the

444
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 2: hard questions that a lot of people, a lot of

445
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: people I'm inhaling it through my mouth or my nose

446
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: and I'm not. And the fact that you asked that, again,

447
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 2: we've known each other a long time. It's entering through

448
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 2: some other hole. I got a good guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

449
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,719
Speaker 2: that's got to be quite a rush. It is. It's

450
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 2: an adrenaline rush.

451
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 1: You know, earlier you talked about a point guard passing

452
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 1: the ball. Uh huh m hm.

453
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 2: Remember that Raptors series. Yeah, they really showed a lot

454
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: of heart and a lot of grit. Got out of

455
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: the first round. Happy for Drake, Kyle Lowry, I mean,

456
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 2: everybody's happy for Drake. Tomart de Rosen, Yeah.

457
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well will DeMar stick around? He says so, and

458
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: that's nice, But let's look at the numbers anyway. Chris,

459
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: you said you're a couple's counselor inside your own head?

460
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,479
Speaker 2: Do you have any other in your head? Sean? Can

461
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: I just well, friend to friend is someone I've known

462
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 2: for eleven years now.

463
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

464
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm really I'm trying to open up to you, and

465
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 2: I'm being met with a level of condescension. I've never

466
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: encountered before in any moment in my life, in any

467
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 2: exchange with anyone, I gotta say, Hayes, I barely know,

468
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 2: and he showed such an empathy and such a compassion

469
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: it made it easy to talk. And I don't know

470
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: that I'm necessarily totally comfortable sharing hmmm with you.

471
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: So what I'm getting from you is okay, first half

472
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: podcasts not funny, nothing to laugh about.

473
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna like this.

474
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden we're having a conversation and

475
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: it's no one would want to have a conversation with you.

476
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: Your personality is bad.

477
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: You basically shut people out in a way that I

478
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: guess is completely inherent to your tone of voice. I

479
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: don't know, Chris, I feel like maybe this is a

480
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: you thing.

481
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 2: I mean, there's certain certainly, Oh.

482
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: I spilled on myself. Hey, Cody, you get that. You

483
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: picked that up on the mic? Yeah, Hey, everybody, that's

484
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: me spilling. What were you gonna say, Chris.

485
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: Well, I was just gonna I was gonna say that

486
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: you maybe recounted some things that are sort of facts

487
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: regarding this conversation in a way that made me feel

488
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: horrifically guilty and I'm just want to apologize if I've

489
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: made you feel marginalized or or not listened to in

490
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 2: any way today, because that's not my style.

491
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, look, I'm not Bill and Josh. Frankly,

492
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: you know you don't got to counsel me. Man. I

493
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 1: did want to say, I wouldn't mind being an anonymous caller.

494
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: Oh I'm beautiful anonymous.

495
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: Well no, I don't really have time to call in then,

496
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: But do you think I could be code?

497
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: Do you have any kind of phone filter you could

498
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: put on my mic? Sure? Here take this.

499
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: Well, hi, hi Chris, it's me Sean, the anonymous caller.

500
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: Well, Seun, can you talk into the regular microphone for

501
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 2: a second. Yeah, sure, what do you need? It's not anonymous.

502
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: You're sitting in front of me and you said this

503
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: is Sean. How do you mean are you familiar with

504
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: the concept of anonymity.

505
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: Well, there's an okay, yes, and no. There was a

506
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: Rollan Emrick movie called Anonymous about how Bill Shakespeare didn't

507
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: write his own plays and somehow that leads to like

508
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: a tidal wave smash in the city.

509
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 2: Okay, that doesn't necessarily answer my question.

510
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: Well that's anonymous. I mean that film's called Anonymous, and

511
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: I think I've demonstrated I'm familiar with it. I basically

512
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: told you half the trailer. Well, what I I'll just okay,

513
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: so I get that. I get that from my perspective.

514
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: What I do with my podcast, which we're you know,

515
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: kind of referencing right now, is that I'll someone the

516
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: phone will ring, and I'll just pick up the phone

517
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: and I won't know who's on the other end, which

518
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: gives the caller a lot of freedom to just say

519
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: whatever they were.

520
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: But I do know, But I know who some of

521
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: the callers were.

522
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, I don't. I know.

523
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: I got an email from one of them today. Also,

524
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: i've seen on Internet they're saying the poop song guy

525
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: who hates me and Hayes but more specifically me also

526
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: is one of the callers.

527
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: Well, that guy made absolutely zero effort to remain anonymous,

528
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: douring in after the call. Well, he was promoting himself.

529
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: It's all he does. He promotes himself harder than anyone

530
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 2: I've ever met in any other area of my life. Oh,

531
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: he's very mad at me. You don't like me? Is

532
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: that true? That's very true? Yeah, I think he likes me. Well,

533
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you promoted him in a way that he liked.

534
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: Why don't you? Why doesn't he like you?

535
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, there's a world where maybe perhaps there was

536
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: an ad read that was done for his album by

537
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: I guess me, and somehow Case wasn't involved in that one,

538
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: that maybe some people interpreted it as being not the

539
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: best way to read an ad for something.

540
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: So he paid you money to promote his product and

541
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 2: you did it in a fashion that underwhelmed. Yeah, I

542
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: guess that would be his side of the story. Sure, Well,

543
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: at the very least, he must be happy right now

544
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: because he's now getting double bang for his buck because

545
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: it's coming here for this one, he didn't have to

546
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: pay for it. So maybe this will redeem a little

547
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: bit of his experience, you would think, But I doubt it.

548
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: So so that guy wasn't an anonymous But look, I

549
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: get what you're saying.

550
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: So here's what we're gonna do.

551
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: My friend wants to call it anonymously and talk to

552
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: you about some of his problems with his co host Hayes.

553
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm into it. If you want to do some

554
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: sort of exercise, I will say you are sitting directly

555
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: across from me. It's visually, it's while we might be

556
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: able to put some layer on it where you don't

557
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: say your name anymore. You've solved that problem that I

558
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: put it out before, Like, I see you are less

559
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: than four feet away from me. Okay. Also, this is

560
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: your show that you've been hosting for a long for

561
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: what like thirty forty minutes now we've been talking like, yeah,

562
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: he hasn't been that long.

563
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: I don't feel it. Uh well, okay, so uh, I mean, look,

564
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: we've got a bunch of pieces of paper here. I

565
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: could make a mask out of them. But here's my fear.

566
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: Some of them have AD copy I'm supposed to read.

567
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: So then we got poop song guy problem around two

568
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: because I mess up the ad copy. I folded up

569
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: the paper to make a mask so that you would

570
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: think I'm anonymous. Right, that's your suggestion.

571
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: Maybe I should turn around. Maybe I'll turn this way

572
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 2: so I can't see you, and you make up a

573
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: name or leave your name out of it, and we'll

574
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: see how anonymously we can retain it.

575
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: Here's my only issue with that. Yeah, and I think

576
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: it's cool, okay, but you know how sometimes it's like

577
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: a scared movie. Somebody's turned away and then they suddenly

578
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: turned back and maybe half their face of snakes or something.

579
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: I've seen some movies. Are there any movies in particular

580
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: that you remember that did that?

581
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: Hmmm, it feels like something that would have happened in

582
00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: Uh oh, what's the one? It starts with an s sinister? No? No,

583
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: no ah, what's the one? You know?

584
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: The one he did so that he went and did

585
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: this other one? Ooh, it's on the.

586
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: Tip of my tuk. Chris, come on, you gotta know

587
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: this one. I don't snake's coming out of the face.

588
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: It's not sinister, but it's a word like that. Well

589
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: at any rate, Okay, something like that. You know, somebody

590
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: whips around just when you turn away from me. I'm thinking, man,

591
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: you're in prime position to do that to me if.

592
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: You wanted to. I mean, I wouldn't do that, but

593
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: I can if you decided. Maybe I'll close my eyes.

594
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: How's that? Then I'll face you so you can know

595
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: physically you're not.

596
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Then I could scare you. Well, look, if you're not

597
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: worried about it, I'm not either.

598
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: So Hi, Hi, Hello, A is this bill from Don't

599
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: Think twice.

600
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: Why would you sean, you shouldn't ask because Bill will

601
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: answer and you don't want that.

602
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: No, Okay, Sorry, is this Chris gathered from Beautiful Anonymous?

603
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Chris.

604
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: Hey, it's me, the anonymous guy. So one thing that

605
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: Hayes does sometimes it just drives me nuts is he'll

606
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: leave the light on when after he leaves, and then

607
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: when I get home it's like, uh, you know, the

608
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: electricity isn't free.

609
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: In this house.

610
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry to hear that. I'll tell you in

611
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: my experience, I've had similar experiences where where Josh he

612
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: won't shut up, where we're living in the same place

613
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: and he won't quiet down, and I'm here trying to

614
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: be sensitive and I'm sure here, I'm certain o that

615
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: was Bill. That was a little bit of Bill coming out.

616
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm sorry that. Hey, I'm sorry that Hayes

617
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: burns electricity. That's not a good it's not a good feeling.

618
00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: It's not a good feeling.

619
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: So one thing as an anonymous caller that I'd like

620
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: to talk about a little bit is so I you know,

621
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: I work in kind of a creative field, but I

622
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: would like to have a dull day job.

623
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the absolute inverse of most people who call

624
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: my show, is that? So I would say over half

625
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: the callers are people with day jobs who want to

626
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: work in the creative field. You're saying, you're a creative

627
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: person who wants to boy, that.

628
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: Kind of security really appeals to me. Just some structure

629
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: in my life. I wouldn't mind knowing exactly where my

630
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: next paycheck's coming from and not just kind of grasping

631
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: its straws.

632
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: Well, I kind of went in the opposite direction with

633
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: my own life. But I think if I mean it's

634
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: it's at the end of the day, it's chasing dreams.

635
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: If you're living a life you're not content with now,

636
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: oh yeah, big time, then I think you can take

637
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: the ball by the horns and you can. You can

638
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: put the brakes on all the stuff you're not enjoying

639
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: and dive in. And I feel like it's hard to

640
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: change your lifestyle. But no one will is going to

641
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: do that but you.

642
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: So it's a bull the breaks.

643
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: Sean, What are we doing? Sean? What are we doing?

644
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: Show me? Wait?

645
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: Oh uh, what do you mean, Sean?

646
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, this feels something about this for both of us

647
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: feels a little desperate. Anonymous call not working great for you?

648
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: Cross promotion? Remember those great crossover episodes I used to do.

649
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: Would there be a blackout on Seinfeld but a blackout

650
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: of France too, they're both in New York City?

651
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: Or what about when the flinsulsa Jason's go hang out

652
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: a party? Yeah? Do you don't remember that? What is it?

653
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: Did I not talk about your movie? No, it's that's

654
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: parts fine. I'll just say on my end it's not

655
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: about the movie. I'm not I'm not like much of

656
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: a promoter, but I I have such fond memories of

657
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: how smooth My conversation with Hayes.

658
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: Was, Yeah, yeah, that's just heard smooth. It seemed like

659
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: that one really just cooked.

660
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: It did from the start, like same wavelength, a lot

661
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: of momentum.

662
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: This had a lot of stops, that starts, a lot

663
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: of what's the element that's different?

664
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: Do you think it's you? I feel like I'm very

665
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: similar to it.

666
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same weeks ago, Yeah, you're the same six

667
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: weeks later.

668
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: And it might I feel like it might. There's like

669
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: some stops and starts, and again, Hayes and I at

670
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: the start had almost nothing to talk about, and then

671
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: we found so.

672
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: Much uh huh uh huh, And.

673
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: I feel like somehow you and I have so much

674
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: to talk about.

675
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, it's almost too much. Can't fit at all

676
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: through the door. Maybe it's Cody. You know different engineers,

677
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: that is true. Who was the engineer in the first one?

678
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: I think it was I think it was John. I

679
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: think it was John Delor, who works on my show.

680
00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cody, you've been sabotaging this thing Homebray what uh?

681
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: Hold on? Yeah, that's my mind? Okay, is this my mic?

682
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: Can you pour that quieter?

683
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like a question for me? Who's Mike is?

684
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: Who's you've been sabotaging this thing? My homebrain? Did uh?

685
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: You notice anything strange?

686
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean, well, just Chris's pointing out it doesn't feel

687
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: too good, doesn't feel like a good episode?

688
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: Got the aide the air on? Do you like it?

689
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: Oh?

690
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: I hate it?

691
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

692
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: You think I want to make this? You hate this?

693
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: Look? I don't hate anything. I don't like to carry

694
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: hate in my heart. You know, I've been working a

695
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: lot on just just pushing all those feelings down and

696
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: making them into a little ball, then just keeping them

697
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: in the center of my chest.

698
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: We can talk about that. That sounds so compelling. That

699
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: sounds like something your listeners would want, like you letting

700
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: your guard down like that. I bet they'd love hearing that.

701
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, one thing is a lot of the bad

702
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: feeling that I have, tort has or whoever. I picture

703
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: them as like a little sliver of soap, and then

704
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: I'll just mush it with like another sliver of soap

705
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: until I've got like a big ball of soap slivers. Yeah,

706
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: and then I'll just let that ball sort of slide

707
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: around inside my chest.

708
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, that's intense mm hmm.

709
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: And you know, ideally it sort of lathers up and dissipates.

710
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. Is that why you envision it at soap, because

711
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: there's a natural progression for it to exit the world.

712
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

713
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: And just I'm super familiar with soap. I've just dealt

714
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: with it a lot, Okay, more than most people really,

715
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: m hm in what context?

716
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: Oh, It's just.

717
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: One of those things. It seems to be drawn to me.

718
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: Soap is drawn to the inanimate object is drawn to you.

719
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: Hey, you explain it then, you know, because it just

720
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: feels like that's like the one constant like every hotel

721
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: room I stay in, just all over I just keep

722
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: finding it.

723
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: You know, we had this very very brief window of

724
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: personal feeling where you let your guard down, and then

725
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: somehow we instantaneously began talking about soap Like Sean two

726
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: thousand and five, I'm this guy from Jersey teaching at UCB,

727
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 2: but nobody, nobody's really buying in. And then who comes

728
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: along to climb Dog the clem Dog. We link up.

729
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: I feel like you're the first student that believed in me,

730
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: and you're the first student that I really believed in.

731
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: And it started this thing that I think people would

732
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: love to hear about, right that.

733
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that does feel like a real story for Like,

734
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: that's like a real episode, huh.

735
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: Like years like years in the trenches of having each

736
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: other's backs, so many conversations where you lifted me back

737
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 2: up when I was feeling down. Time in Ursa, so

738
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: many specifics I feel like we could talk about if

739
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 2: we were willing to go there.

740
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah no, in that version of the show, Well

741
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: here I am. I'm this young guy, right, not that young,

742
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: but anyway, I'm doing him prov I see this teacher,

743
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: he's on stage every week, he's doing some of the

744
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: funniest shows. He's in a McDonald's commercial where it's somehow

745
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: about a tie with some diverse roommates, which I'm like

746
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: showing my parent, like I know that guy on TV.

747
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: And then he's coming up to me going like, hey, man,

748
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: you know you should move to New York. You could

749
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: you I think you could do this. And it's like

750
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: right at the moment that I'm going like, hey, it's

751
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: fucking go time. You know, I'm either gonna really do

752
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: this or like I just shouldn't even be messing around.

753
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: I'm either gonna move here and try.

754
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: And it's like almost exactly what I needed, you know,

755
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: like that is a story for that kind of episode.

756
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: But to me sort of the soap stuff felt like

757
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: a rich area. Okay, you know, like was it just

758
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: liquid soap or is it bar soap?

759
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: Is I mean if there's a whole shebang, baby, no,

760
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: you can't limit it. Yeah, I'm picturing slivers, but I

761
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: gotta imagine there's some liquid gooping around in there too, And.

762
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: Is it like the liquid is like does body does

763
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: body wash count of soap or is it more just

764
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: like actual oh it counts? And how far do we

765
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: take the definition of soap like like a detergent does it?

766
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: Is it detergent?

767
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: No, that's it's poisonous. You gotta be able to eat it,

768
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: so by deaf because it's in my body. I mean

769
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: it's bopping around my chest.

770
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I get it. And the soap is a

771
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: metaphor for your feelings towards haze.

772
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I among other things.

773
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: And is it is there special because I know a

774
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: lot of people when they use soap though, like like

775
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: I tend to buy Dove and I really look for

776
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: is it one kind of soap or is it all

777
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 2: kinds of soap?

778
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: I actually never noticed.

779
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: Do they add like different kinds? So wait? You soap

780
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: is a major factor in your life and finds it

781
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: way into your it's way it's your life constantly. And

782
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: you've never before perceived that there's more than one kind

783
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: soap to.

784
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: Me, Yeah, it's just a sort of category. It's like

785
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: it's either soap or it's not. I didn't know they're

786
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: doing all this UF. You know, I'm not a big

787
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: brand guy. I'm not a label whore. I'm not here

788
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: to promote Dove. I didn't I'm not promoting Dove. Yes,

789
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: you're trying to sell Dove on the airway. I'm trying

790
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: to sell Dove best. Don't shine me on, man, I

791
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: don't come on. It ain't my first time around the block. Brother.

792
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I know

793
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: when somebody's trying to use my hard earned listeners to

794
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: sell Dove.

795
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: You're pushing Prada. I'm not trying to sell Dove. And also,

796
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: I really appreciate your perfect stranger's reference. I caught that

797
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 2: that was Slick falling off the turnip cart like cousin

798
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: BALKI did he found by reap America burst.

799
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: I remember, and now we know that we both do.

800
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: Was that show? Did that show weirdly transition into being

801
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: a TGIF show in its later days? Mm hmm yeah,

802
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: pretty natural fit. Really dovetailed nicely with the other shows.

803
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: And now you can promote dovid. That was you you

804
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: brought up.

805
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't have meant anything.

806
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: There could have been any random soap in there, any

807
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: random so please sit down you think it would have

808
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: Please stop intimidating me. Did you say Zest tailed instead

809
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: of Dovetails? Well, I'm just saying, did I have a choice.

810
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: This whole experience has felt tense. Really, Weaver two thousand

811
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: tailed into the uh, you can make any number of

812
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: you know, for a guy who didn't know there was

813
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: more than one type of soap, you've now made a number.

814
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: I just googled it.

815
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: Is that?

816
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: Why? Because you haven't looked up from your phone for

817
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: one fucking second this whole time I've been here. Well,

818
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: I just got to New York Times cross order app?

819
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: How is that?

820
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: It's fun? A lot of this stuff I don't know though.

821
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: Eighty five percent of this conversation.

822
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: You've been looking at your phone.

823
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: Well, I've been trying to figure out actress Gardner.

824
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 2: Three letters Ava, No, why not? Can't be? Who else

825
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: could it be? I don't know, but there's a be

826
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: going across. Well, that word might be incorrect. I doubt it.

827
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, wait, oh yeah, no, it definitely is.

828
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: I don't know.

829
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: Feels pretty solid Sean Hayes and I, yeah, I mean

830
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: the depths of depravity. Things I've never told anyone, Things

831
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 2: I've never told my therapist, things I've never told my wife.

832
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: You and I are making soap puns and talking about

833
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: a crossword.

834
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: Puzzle clue Okay, well let's dig in. Uh, what's the

835
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: most fuck up thing Bill's ever done to Josh?

836
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: The most fucked up thing Bill has ever done to Josh?

837
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: As they fight in my head, Josh is definitely more

838
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: of the aggressor. But Bill, I think sets up Bill Bill.

839
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: Bill sets up traps. He sets up traps. He looks

840
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: for ways to burn Josh, He looks for ways to

841
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: cut Josh. He looks for ways to Josh, for Josh

842
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: to have broken bones. And unfortunately, for reasons, they both

843
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 2: live inside my body. I am the vessel in which

844
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: this war is being fought. Okay, so.

845
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: What does that make me think of? Let's see, let's

846
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: do some old school you know, improv moves. You know

847
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: that's our background.

848
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: Uh, sets traps.

849
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: Trap music.

850
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: You playing a pattern game right now? Ah? Is that

851
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: what that is? You want to play? You want me

852
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: and out of practice a pattern game. If you want

853
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: to do a pattern game together, we can you said trap.

854
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing they do on comedy Bank Bane.

855
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: People love it. They play games they do like A

856
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: to C. Okay, and like guess what B is.

857
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that's what that show is. Chris and

858
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: listened to comedy. Bang bang, Man, they're playing games on

859
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 2: the thing. Did you play a game?

860
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: I don't know.

861
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: I think we may have played a game.

862
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: You should have. People love that shit. I'm telling you what, man.

863
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: Late night they play a lot of games Late night

864
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: t James Corden, he loves games. Fallon loves games.

865
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're Oh, they're always playing all kinds of games,

866
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: games that people already play. They just play them and

867
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: they're famous and you watch yeah, yeah, And I gotta

868
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: tell you, I laugh my fucking ass off. See if

869
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: somebody try to throw a dart and it's Sannah Kendrick

870
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,479
Speaker 1: or something, I'm cracking up.

871
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: On my end. You know, I have my talk show.

872
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: It's like a variety talk show, and I actually kind

873
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: of try to push hard against that off, like trying

874
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Speaker 2: to make everything an individual, every episode an individual experience

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Speaker 2: rather than these like tropes. It's a priority of mine

876
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Speaker 2: to try to tie it back to what I do.

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Speaker 2: So wait a minute, you're not playing party games. No,

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Speaker 2: generally no, Oh, it actually is.

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Speaker 1: It's a TV show. It's a talk show. I'm just

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Speaker 1: trying to picture it. We have celebrity guests. I'm just

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Speaker 1: trying to pick clebrity guests. You got a celebrity guest,

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Speaker 1: but you don't have them playing like a college party game. No, well,

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Speaker 1: one of them.

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Speaker 2: I've never I've never once on my show have I

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Speaker 2: had a celebrity play Never have I ever well, do

886
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: date or Die?

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Speaker 1: I've never done that on TV. What's gonna bust me up? Like?

888
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Speaker 2: At what point am I busting up? Like I'll laugh

889
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Speaker 2: at my butt off? Like our season finale this year,

890
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: like we did a whole thing where like John Ham

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00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: mad Men John Ham. Yeah, he came in and participated

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Speaker 2: in an actual pro wrestling match with a bunch of

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Speaker 2: x WWF wrestlers.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and then the wrestlers are playing flip cup. No,

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Speaker 1: it's just they're actually wrestling. Yeah, Okay, I'm just and

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Speaker 1: I'm not It's not a judgment on it, Chris.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to picture it, okay, Sean. So, then.

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Speaker 1: So the a wrestling on I assume like a twister

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Speaker 1: mat and then you're just spinning the this is a

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Speaker 1: wrestling ring.

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Speaker 2: He's just texted me, h, he's been trying to call

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Speaker 2: me a lot. Yeah, while he texted me so sorry,

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Speaker 2: I couldn't be there building houses for habitat for humanity

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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he says that a lot.

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Speaker 2: What what were you doing that you weren't at our first?

907
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Speaker 2: He wouldn't tell me, he said it would have hurt

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Speaker 2: my feelings. Well, what did you prioritize I head of

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Speaker 2: catching up?

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Speaker 1: It was honestly, it was just a timing thing that week.

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Speaker 1: It's not that like what I had to do it

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Speaker 1: was important, but.

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Speaker 2: It's just.

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Speaker 1: So all right. So I've been experimenting with making my

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Speaker 1: own hot sauce.

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Speaker 2: And what so.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'd love to have a I'd love to

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Speaker 1: have a clam Dog brand hot sauce out there on

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Speaker 1: the shelves.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now, a lot of.

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Speaker 1: The ingredients they have in most hot sauces I don't

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Speaker 1: have access to. So what I've been doing mainly is

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Speaker 1: just pouring two different kinds together into the same cup.

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Speaker 1: And I'll often go down to like a Gristitis or

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Speaker 1: a Galson's, and I will have a couple different cups

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Speaker 1: out in front of me and people can try it

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Speaker 1: and say, like, which hot sauce combos they like the best.

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Speaker 2: So you bring hot sauce combos into supermarkets. MM, hmm,

929
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Speaker 2: and approach random people who are shopping.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, surreptitiously. I'll sort of sidle up to them. And

931
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Speaker 1: then a lot of times I'll like spill some and

932
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: go like, why'd you knock that over? And they'll go like,

933
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Speaker 1: I didn't knock it over, and I'll go like, yes,

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Speaker 1: you did, I saw you.

935
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Speaker 2: What do you want to try some or something?

936
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Speaker 1: And then hopefully we get into an altercation that ends

937
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Speaker 1: in them trying the hot sauce.

938
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Speaker 2: It't telling me if they liked it, So they drink.

939
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Speaker 2: They drink substance out of a cup, an uncovered cup

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Speaker 2: that a stranger or a canteen, a canteen of self mixed.

941
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it'll be a combination of two or three

942
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Speaker 1: hot sauces anyway. So you know, that's been a big

943
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Speaker 1: part of my life for the better part of five years,

944
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Speaker 1: and as I have been pretty dedicated to that, what

945
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Speaker 1: I had to do on that particular day was make

946
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Speaker 1: labels that say which two hot sauces are in the container?

947
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Speaker 2: So you weren't you weren't even mixing the hot sauces

948
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Speaker 2: or doing the field tests.

949
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Speaker 1: Oh god, no, no, I don't do that by hand.

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Speaker 1: Oh the mixing. I have someone to do for me.

951
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Speaker 2: You just direct mixing. So you're making the late you're

952
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Speaker 2: making the labels after the fact.

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Speaker 1: I was making the labels. Yeah, and I gotta be honest,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they were that accurate.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So you I mean, you get it. I

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Speaker 2: get it. I get it as a.

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Speaker 1: Fellow businessman, entrepreneur. You know you're spokesperson for Dove. I

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Speaker 1: think you you're not a.

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Speaker 2: Spokesperson for Dove. Well, I'm not. I'm not, Chris, you're

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Speaker 2: the face of Dove. I'm not. I don't. I mentioned

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Speaker 2: Dove once and you've now labeled that. I mean, if

962
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Speaker 2: you listen to beautiful anonymous different sponsors, Dove is never

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Speaker 2: even if they want to be a sponsor. I will,

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Speaker 2: I will happily.

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Speaker 1: To say that you mentioned it once.

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Speaker 2: Is really under plank.

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Speaker 1: You said I tend to buy Dove products.

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Speaker 2: Said I tend to buy Dove. I mean because you

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Speaker 2: brought up soap.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I feel bad.

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Speaker 2: Why I feel like I'm like sitting here like I

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Speaker 2: feel like that. I'm like I'm like a Mike Lawrence

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Speaker 2: over here.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, Chris, we have to added that out.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if that was okay to say. I

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Speaker 2: wasn't sure if that was okay. Man, I didn't know

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Speaker 2: if it was okay to say.

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Speaker 1: Don't think twice all singamore that you see me slogan,

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Speaker 1: but it seems strange. It's how you see me movie.

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: How much have we recorded? Going?

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Speaker 2: You wanted to record that.

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Speaker 1: You got me a son of a bitch?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Uh, anyway, Hayes is calling me again. I gotta tell

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Speaker 1: him how much better this episode went than the one

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Speaker 1: that he did. And uh and uh and you agree

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Speaker 1: and you can probably tell him that too.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that right, Chris, I'll talk to Hayes.

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Speaker 1: Great, okay, so we're in agreement then, so bye, thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to me more bye. Oh rate us on

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