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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion.

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring.

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Speaker 3: To this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luk Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Is this this Morning Combat?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, put that in your vape and smoke it.

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Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah, it's Morning Combat, guys, It's Friday. It's

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Speaker 2: March third, twenty twenty three, twenty four hours or so

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Speaker 2: out from UFC two to eighty five in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 2: the return of John Jones, and my name is Brian

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Speaker 2: Campbell to hit the final touches to get you all

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Speaker 2: kinds of fired up here on this award winning combat

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Speaker 2: sports show. And my partner, of course, dressed in all

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Speaker 2: things MK dread aging. He's a great guy though. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's you know, arguably our the best fight analysts in

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Speaker 2: the game today among male or females who have never

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Speaker 2: publicly fought. His name is Luke Thomas. Yes, yes, there is,

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Speaker 2: there is. It's great to see you, Luke on what

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Speaker 2: I'm really what?

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Speaker 1: Why don't you tell the folks what happened to you?

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Speaker 2: You know? I did one of those awesome like get

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Speaker 2: together with the high school friends last night play cards

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Speaker 2: drink some pints, eat some wings, you know, Bogo, Easy, Ed, Corvino,

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Speaker 2: a Rod, the whole group. But you know, my body, Luke,

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Speaker 2: it's it's no longer a wonderland. It's actually a decrepit.

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Speaker 2: You know, in terms of terms, if we can, if

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Speaker 2: never Land theme park that Michael Jackson had, Luke, but

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Speaker 2: probably without like all the child slander and all that,

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Speaker 2: but just like you know, run down decrepit. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: speaking of MJ, I had to look at that man

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Speaker 2: him to change his ways, Luke, because uh, I can't.

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Speaker 2: I can't do this shit anymore, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Did you dangle some in fence off of a balcony?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, blanket, No, I did not did not do that.

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Speaker 2: But you know, had a couple of beers one, a

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Speaker 2: couple of setback hands. You know, had a bad forbid

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Speaker 2: that my friends won't let me over on. But look,

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Speaker 2: you ever hang out with people from your life anymore?

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Speaker 2: I mean I don't. I don't see you meeting up

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Speaker 2: a big Chicken three times a year with the old crew.

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Speaker 1: You know, No, the way my life works. Uh, I

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to go to an event with some friends

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Speaker 1: next week, but I'm trying to figure out how that's

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Speaker 1: gonna go with some work responsibilities next week. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't get a lot of time with friends.

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Speaker 2: Dude, This job, Luke, will wear you out like a

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Speaker 2: two dollars whore, right will.

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Speaker 1: But it's but the glory, right, the glory and the rich.

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Speaker 1: It's a great job. But it will own your life.

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Speaker 1: It will absolutely own your life.

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Speaker 2: Luckily for me, Luke, it's my dream job. How about you?

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, it's pretty close.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is, I'm sitting here bitching, but

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Speaker 3: Like, you know, so we'll figure.

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Speaker 2: Out really complaining or you know, trying to.

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Speaker 1: Fi I'd be angrily complaining no matter where I was.

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Speaker 3: So, no matter where.

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Speaker 2: A nice shout out to the people that support us,

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Speaker 2: of course, CBS Sports Malka Showtime right, Uh, thirty days

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Speaker 2: of Showtime would be a great time right now? Why?

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Speaker 2: Showtime Championship Boxing back with a bang tomorrow night in

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Speaker 2: Southern California, BELATOI may I believe Luke is that next

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Speaker 3: The Friday Friday, Next Friday.

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Speaker 2: Next Friday. So get your thirty days free right now,

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Speaker 3: Made Off, Lightweight, graand Prix. Next week. It's gonna be

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Speaker 3: a good one.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and don't forget on that undercard Luke dove

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Speaker 2: let on Yo shimadav versus Julius and gleitch Kiss. That's

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Speaker 2: I feel like the winter that was that was barely hair.

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Speaker 3: We've had like half an inch of snow all year

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Speaker 2: My wife bought me one of those sunlight things, Luke.

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Speaker 2: But it hasn't been that great this winter. Happy to

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Speaker 2: to wear this fantastic merch I got right here. Are

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Speaker 2: you seeing this hat? Are you seeing that shirt you're wearing?

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Speaker 2: Look at this shirt right here.

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Speaker 1: And yes, okay, right over the heart.

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Speaker 2: Yep. You could be having that on your skin right

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Speaker 2: now if you hit on over morning Combat dot store,

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Speaker 2: bomber jackets, drug rugs, whatever you need. Okay, bibbs for

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Speaker 2: the kids, we got that too, all right. Underwear with

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Speaker 2: Luke's face near the Grundle packet. Yeah, Luke, we got

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Speaker 2: It's probably probably both in that regard. I think we

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Speaker 2: got to sell something here, Luke. I did want to

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Speaker 2: remind people that it's March now. It's March third, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, yesterday wasn't two days ago the fiftieth

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Speaker 3: How the fuck would I know?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry, sorry, I forgot. We don't like rock and roll.

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Speaker 2: log death hog I'll tell you that March madness, it's

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Speaker 2: not only just around the corner, Luke, it's only eleven

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Speaker 2: days away. In the CBS Sports HQ Bracket Challenge, well

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Speaker 2: it's back, okay, and it might even be back with

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Speaker 2: see what kind of bracket? Bellator Commentator AG two Amanda

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Speaker 2: Gara made Luke, how about who else we got on there,

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Speaker 2: Chris Hassel, Jenny Dell? Who else do you want to

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Speaker 2: compete against? We might even be able to force you, Luke,

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Speaker 2: Sports Bracket Challenge. Luke, I ask you this every year,

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Speaker 2: but what's your favorite March Madness moment that you watch

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Speaker 1: The well More recently, it's been when I've taken the

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Speaker 1: No, my professional opinion through work is that March Madness

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Speaker 1: that college basketball is unwatchable.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, well you know what, Luke, there was

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Speaker 1: same answer I always give I remember when George Mason

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Speaker 2: Jim laharra Naga, big big win over Yukon and Luke.

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Speaker 2: I'm the rare Yukon hater in the state of Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: So oh yeah, I had to take it on the jet.

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Speaker 2: You didn't know that. Remember when Ray Allen hit that

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Speaker 2: ridiculous shot in the ninety six Big East Tournament finally

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Speaker 3: Were you like a U Mass Marcus Camby guy? Who

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Speaker 3: are you?

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Speaker 2: No? No, I was a Georgetown guy.

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Speaker 1: I was George, You're a Georgetown guy.

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Speaker 3: I was?

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Speaker 2: You know, Luke, what what it was? Because I'm white?

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Speaker 2: I can't be is that that was that?

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Speaker 1: No, it's just it's just surprising. Uh god, dude, that

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Speaker 1: terrible coach. Yeah, like Nick's legend, terrible coach legend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Georgetown legend as well. Yes he is.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, please like and subscribe, and just a reminder

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Speaker 2: one more time. We've been hitting it hard all week. No,

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Speaker 2: we didn't give you the resume review, Luke. Maybe you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe we could admit we should have had a John

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did so. We we definitely talked about it.

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Speaker 1: We just couldn't get it scheduled in time. But John

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Speaker 1: So the plan is for the next one.

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Speaker 2: We talked about it, and he has broken down film

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Speaker 1: I think most of what he's saying has been pretty good.

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Speaker 1: But Gone is significantly more accomplished in pure striking arts

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Speaker 1: and fight's completely different and is going to be a

434
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Speaker 1: much much different challenge than Thiaga Santo's ever was. Which

435
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 1: doesn't say that jiaogastics isn't devastating, But yeah, dude, John,

436
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 1: Like dude, I mean, this is the thing.

437
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Speaker 3: Man, John has high fight IQ.

438
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 1: You know he does. John watches tape. John's coaches watch tape.

439
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 1: John and his coaches watch tape together. They cross every

440
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 1: t they dot every eye. I think one thing he

441
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 1: has said that has made sense is that, like you know,

442
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 1: he understands the contours a fight week. He understands what

443
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 1: it takes to get to this position. He understands what

444
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 1: it takes to win. He understands what it takes to

445
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 1: beat the best guys in the world in the fourth

446
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 1: and fifth rounds, when you're tired and you're hurt, and

447
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 1: you might be down on the cards and everything else. Like,

448
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,440
Speaker 1: he understands what those requirements look like in a way

449
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 1: that Cyril Gone probably doesn't. Cyreil Gone, I think you

450
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 1: can say he might be capable of beating John Jones

451
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Speaker 1: and I have tweeted some cases about guys who are

452
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: making very good arguments for him, and there is, by

453
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Speaker 1: the way, a very good argument for Zeeril Gone. But

454
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Speaker 1: I also simultaneously understand John's point, like, listen, this guy

455
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 1: is very athletic and he's got some skills, but he

456
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 1: has coasted to this point. He's kind of gotten away

457
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 1: with a lot of shit he shouldn't have gotten away with.

458
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Speaker 1: And in short, what John has said is I've audited you.

459
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 1: I've audited you. I know exactly which way you're gonna go.

460
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're gonna be up to. It's

461
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Speaker 1: gonna take me a little bit time to figure it out,

462
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Speaker 1: but you know, in his mind, I think the end

463
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 1: is inevitable. Dude. John's diagnostic abilities of his opponents is

464
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 1: generally very very good, and his game plan is probably

465
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 1: going to be very very good. It's going to be

466
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Speaker 1: up to Cyril Gune to be better and disrupted.

467
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're right around the corner from getting right

468
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 2: into that to kick off. Okay, bet, But I did

469
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Speaker 2: want to say on the flip side.

470
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Speaker 1: Well, let me put you right back to you very quickly,

471
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: what did you make of his assessment at the presser yesterday?

472
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 2: Brilliant? Right, and like you said, right on you know board.

473
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's sometimes I got a little nervous because

474
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 2: it's going it's going very aggressive in the direction of

475
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: not being rudely dismissive, but just being like, look, I've

476
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 2: seen the best of this guy. He's not as young

477
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: as you people think, he's not as dynamic and athletic

478
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 2: as you people think. Like I've seen him before. I

479
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 2: know how to beat this guy, and you know what

480
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 2: he may be right at the end of the day,

481
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Speaker 2: I just don't think I've ever seen John that outwardly dismissive.

482
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 2: So it made me start to wonder, is there any

483
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 2: element of this that he's talking himself into it. I

484
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 2: think if you take totality of all the footage we

485
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 2: got of John, you know, during camp and during this week,

486
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: that would be no. And John's too much of a gamer.

487
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 2: But Luke, this is the longest layoff of his career

488
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: by far, even though he has built a consistency in

489
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: the second half of being away for a year. For

490
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 2: you sat to suspensions two years, what have you. Ultimately,

491
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about that, but I did think it

492
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 2: was interesting because when things happen, when fights go in

493
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Speaker 2: the direction you didn't think coming in, whether or not

494
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: you thought Ronda Rossy was going to lose against Amanda Newness,

495
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: for example, in that fight, I don't think any of

496
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 2: us thought it was going to go exactly like that

497
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 2: complete train wreck first time she was touched. Then you

498
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 2: start going in hindsight about the way she acted. Same

499
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,959
Speaker 2: thing with the Holly Holme fight, right, you go back

500
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: to that way in when she was like manic, aggressive,

501
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 2: just trying to like create some kind of tension to

502
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: motivate herself. I don't think any of that is like

503
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: that with John, but there is part of me that

504
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,479
Speaker 2: goes does he not realize that that? Look, let's get

505
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: to the central tension, Luke. The central tension of this

506
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 2: fight is John's wrestling ability and Cyril Gond or cereal

507
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 2: Gan or surreal gain.

508
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: By the way, he has called him serial gain the

509
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: entire week. And I want everyone to know it's quite

510
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: clearly intentional.

511
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: Right, Well, you mean, like how George Bush, the older one,

512
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: used to say, sadom who's ain't perfect purposely in all

513
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: the state of the Union's.

514
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: Luke, maybe, or how I said that wasn't quite as intentional.

515
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: But also, well, if you listen to John closely, he

516
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: was using the word. You know, some people get hung

517
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: up on a word, Luke, like narrative or or or

518
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: you know, stuff like that, And John was hung up

519
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: on the word surreal. But it was screwing him up

520
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: because he was calling gone cereal up to that point.

521
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: But once he was working in surreal a lot about

522
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: how he felt, then gon became that at the end

523
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: of the day. But look, if the central tension is

524
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: wrestling and how Gon responds and what we saw two

525
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: fights ago in the Francis and Gan Who fight. I

526
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 2: want to merge this with how I was leading you in,

527
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: which is which fucking so much about John rightfully so

528
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: heading into this fight. Not a ton of talk about

529
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 2: Cyril Gon, but I will say he looks ready, playful, focused.

530
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: It's his personality. I know. John kind of called him

531
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: out for being, Oh look at his you know team,

532
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: He's playing video games, his coaches in a suit. You know,

533
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 2: they don't you know, they're acting like they haven't been

534
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: here before. But the thing is he has been there before.

535
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 2: He did have line of pay per view and win

536
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: an interim title against Derek Lewis. He did fight Francis

537
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: for the full title, although he came up empty. In

538
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: regards to the central tension of wrestling. Gon might not

539
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 2: be twenty three like we try to act, but he's

540
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: thirty two. He only has eleven pro fights, and he's

541
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: openly admitting at the press conference like I didn't train

542
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: for wrestling at all against Anghanu, and looking back, Luke

543
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: I was the only one that could have told him

544
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: maybe he should. It seems like in hindsight, right, But

545
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: Francis is really strong, may not have the same technique

546
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: as John, may not have the same experience all of that.

547
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: You gotta believe he's gonna show him movement of that.

548
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: If he's a true student of the game. Gon always

549
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: comes in in top level shape. I just have to believe, Luke,

550
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: that it's not gonna look the same way it did,

551
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 2: you know a year and a half ago in that

552
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: in Gano fight. It's gotta be different. So in that regard,

553
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: John's got to be prepared for the idea. In my mind,

554
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: if if wrestling is not a consistent grab for him

555
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: in this, if God's able to shut that door, is

556
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: he ready to outpoint a different kind of chess master?

557
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: Now you know that? That's my question here, Luke. And

558
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: do you think Cyril Gon is going to surprise us

559
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: in his ability now that he's got a year plus

560
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: to grind at it to show us better wrestling takedown defense.

561
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 2: He didn't have to show that against Touey.

562
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm just sort of a question of

563
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: a point of order here are we going to get

564
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: to this in our Okay, Bet may have a breakdown.

565
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: Well, that's what we're sliding into right now, Luke, but

566
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: I did want to hit you up with, you know.

567
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 3: With a with a early I'll save that part for

568
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: the breakdown itself, all right.

569
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: Luke, We'll put that on the back burner. Guess what, Luke,

570
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: It's time for the breakdown itself. Luke, and at our

571
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: first nonumber one and our five picks against each other,

572
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 2: and okay, bet takes us, of course, to the biggest

573
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: man of the event of the weekend, which is this

574
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: right now, the folks at Caesars minus one seventy five,

575
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: John Jones, your favorite plus one fifty siro goond the underdog,

576
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, are you going first or second? And breaking

577
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: down this pick?

578
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: I'll go second.

579
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: All right, Let's start off at the top, Luke. I've

580
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: been at John Jones, guy at heavyweight forever, back to

581
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: when he was first teason and it ten years ago.

582
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: I always thought he'd make the debut against Brock. It

583
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: almost happened, even could have happened a couple of years ago.

584
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: It didn't happen here, but here we are. I always

585
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: believe that when John got here it would be easier

586
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 2: than we expected due to the size difference. But a

587
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: lot has changed the three years off, the evolution of

588
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: the division. He's not coming back against the hulking slugger.

589
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: He's coming back against somebody that I don't think you

590
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: can prepare for because there's really never been someone exactly

591
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: like him, this elite in the heavyweight division, somebody who

592
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: can binds a lot of the speed that John is

593
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: rightfully bragging about that he dealt with that light heavyweight

594
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: and dealt with it deafly. But this is the closest

595
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: reach advantage John will ever have at three and a

596
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: half inches, and we know how big that is to

597
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: his game. And I just think, Luke, when you mix

598
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: in together the bulk of the weight he's putting on,

599
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: mixed with three years off in a new division, mixed

600
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: with if Cyril Gun is unable to keep his back

601
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: off the canvas consistently and once he's there, unable to

602
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: get up quickly and absorb ground and pound. This is

603
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: obviously going to be a big John Jones return and

604
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: a huge announcement of what he is at heavyweight. But

605
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's going to be that easy.

606
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: I do think we're heading into another five round close

607
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: decision some level of dispute in terms of who you

608
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: thought won, whether you like the overall striking of Gon

609
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: let's try to imagine mixed with John's counter striking and

610
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: the effects of takedowns. But I just think we're going

611
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: to see a different Cyril Gone now that this had

612
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: to be the focus coming in. Are we guessing that

613
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: this fighter can't add that type of resistance to his game,

614
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: Not saying John won't take him down, not saying John

615
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: won't have some levels of success, But I think it's

616
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: gonna take John a little bit longer to make the

617
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: full adjustments to this type of opponent that I think

618
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 2: will inevitably make this a closer fight. And I think

619
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: when we go to the cards, it's gonna be one

620
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: of those how do you like it? But Luke, I

621
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: think Cyyl Gohan's gonna show him something different with the

622
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: footwork in terms of being able to use it defensively

623
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: to get out of range and then get back in

624
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: that we're going to be looking at a very close,

625
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: competitive fight, And in that regard, I do like the younger,

626
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: fresher fighter who's had an opportunity to learn of late

627
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: from the biggest things holding him back. And I think

628
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: I think Luke, the ty To Yvasit experience will ultimately

629
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: embolden him even more. I mentioned it on Wednesday. They

630
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: went in there with the intent on having exactly that

631
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: type of fight that they had. He got to taste

632
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: some of these experiences that he hadn't because he had

633
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: been so dominant in all his wins, or had that

634
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: weird fight Withinngandu where he wasn't able to really establish himself.

635
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: I think this is a new serial Ghan, and it's

636
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: not like outside of Amanda Newness knocking out Cyborg, we've

637
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: seen people consistently have success doing just this. A champion

638
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: at one division moving up and trying for one above him.

639
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: It's happened before, sure, but I think recent history it's

640
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: just not easy. John's got a lot going against him here.

641
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: He is the ultimate gamer. You may score it for

642
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: him at the end of the day on Saturday, Luke,

643
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: but I think Cyril Ghan's headed for a decision when here,

644
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: it's not gonna send John away. It's gonna send him

645
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: back to the drawing board to refocus. And you know what,

646
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: he may one day hold this heavyweight championship. We could

647
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: be looking at a series here, but I think the

648
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: way things plan out, I'm kicking off okay, bet with

649
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: my pick taking the underdog Cyril Gohn. I got a feeling.

650
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: Could be indigestion, Luke, could be a liver failure, but

651
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: I got a feeling.

652
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: Right now, I'll say this, I'll just put my cards

653
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: on the table. I struggled with this one more than

654
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: I've struggled with one in a long time. And I

655
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: struggled with Makachewan and Vulk too, But in the end,

656
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: I felt reasonably ish confident about about Mock. I mean

657
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: that's even that's I felt more confident about that than

658
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: I do about what I'm about to pick. I want

659
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: to say that I think there's a lot of people

660
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: who feel very confident in one direction, and I really

661
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: don't know what that's based off of. This is extremely unknown.

662
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: When I've said it before, we go into fight week

663
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: all the time, all the time with unknown variables, but

664
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: rarely like this, rarely with a guy who is been

665
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: off with all of these questions we have to ask.

666
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: Although I will say this week BC the.

667
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: Questions about his family and everything else, Not that that's

668
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: always the most pertinent, but it plays a role it's

669
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: been very subdued. It's been very subdued, like there's not

670
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: been swirling controversy on top of pushing him right this

671
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: time well, but also like John is, to what we know,

672
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: not fucking around, like he's just there for this, and

673
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: so it's kind of quieted that in addition to the

674
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: distance and everything else, to the media obsequiousness. So I

675
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: just don't feel good about my pick today, but I

676
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: had to go in the direction I'm gonna go despite

677
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: all the questions. In either scenario, it just comes down

678
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: to this, I'm gonna go John Jones. I'm gonna give

679
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: him a slight benefit of the doubt. And the reason

680
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: why I'm gonna do that is it's not that I

681
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: don't have my doubts about the time off, you know

682
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: I do. It's not that I don't have my doubts

683
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: about the decline and his performance overtime at light heavyweight,

684
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: you know I do.

685
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: But I've seen enough guys come back.

686
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: From layoffs where they looked bad at the end. Saint

687
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: Pierre in particular, coutuur Katur looked bad when he left,

688
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: and then he comes back in the isis Tim Sylvia

689
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: or at least you know, whips his ass for five

690
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: rounds anyway, and gone training part time is a big

691
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: problem for me. Gone, I am certain is gonna have

692
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: much better wrestling this time, and John striking at distance

693
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: I think is gonna suffer big time here.

694
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: I think.

695
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: I think as long as this fight is on the

696
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: feet over time, he probably loses it. So I think

697
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: it's really gonna be clinched takedown or it's gonna get

698
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: nothing done. But John is a fucking gamer man. He

699
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: is an all time competitor. I do think that the

700
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: time off is gonna give him a boost, at least

701
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: as he begins his heavyweight campaign. I think you will

702
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: be able to get enough takedowns to win. It's either

703
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: gonna be batshit crazy or it's gonna be slow and methodical.

704
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: And John might look a little human. Actually he'll probably

705
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: look a lot human along the way. But that amount

706
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: of experience, and I think that presumed differential in skill

707
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: should be enough of a difference. It's it's the it's

708
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: the coin flip if there ever has been one, but

709
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: it came up heads.

710
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: Doesn't feel like a three to two fight either way,

711
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: three rounds to two, it feels like that potential, and

712
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: I think the reason for me why I really believe

713
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: that and believe Gone will get his hand raised is, look,

714
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: John will adjust, and I think he's gonna fall down

715
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: a little bit early in terms of the scoring they

716
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: perceive scoring. He's gonna come back, John saying absolute gamer,

717
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: He's gonna figure it out. I just think the added

718
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: bulk and I think, look, he's gonna try a very

719
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: wrestling intensive style. Look, that's not a style he's employed

720
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: for a long time in the UFC. Okay, for a

721
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: long time. The tail end of his light heavyweight rain was,

722
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: you know, counter striker from the outside mixed with the

723
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: guy who starts going downhill and breaks you down with

724
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,239
Speaker 2: the kicks to the legs in the striking. I think

725
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: Ghan's movement on the feet is gonna make John have

726
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: to It's gonna lower his output, but it's also gonna

727
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: make him have to chase a little. And I think

728
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: when he does chase, he's gonna have success getting takedowns.

729
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: But I question with that added bulk whether he can

730
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: be the same guy Cardio wise not gonna have Cardio's

731
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: gonna fall apart. I think he's gonna get to a

732
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: point where he's got to manage that cardio and save

733
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: some for the end of this fight. You'll see him

734
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: make it close. But look, it comes down to this.

735
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: When have we also seen Sarah Goon have takedown issues

736
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: outside of the Anganuo fight, which again was a surprise,

737
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: desperate tactic mixed with an incredibly strong individual. I'm not

738
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: discounting John's strength at six foot five or six four here. Look,

739
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: he is not coming in thin, jacked and cut up.

740
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: He's coming in heavy and ready. But like something has

741
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: to give when you move up and wait and challenge

742
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: the champion, it hasn't befallen everybody. Connor McGregor stepped up

743
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: and took carea Eddie right, Cyborg got stopped by newness.

744
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: It happens here. But this is the largest leap you

745
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 2: make in terms of weight difference, which adds certain elements

746
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: and challenges. Here day one of being a jacked heavyweight,

747
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: and I don't care how hard you train, Day one

748
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: of being a jacked heavyweight. He's now gonna employ a

749
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: wrestling heavy style and a five round title fight against

750
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 2: an incredibly great athlete. Look to have success. He's gonna

751
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: tax himself out of it, he's gonna bring down the

752
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 2: overall upper bound level of what he can do cardio

753
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: wise in a five round fight. He's gonna have to

754
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: balance and manage that. So, look, he may have some

755
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 2: success on takedowns, but if God can st of some

756
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: and make him have to work for it, there's gonna

757
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: come a point where John's gonna risk the risk. You know,

758
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: weigh the risk reward, is what I'm trying to say,

759
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: and go, let's try to point fight from the outside,

760
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: and that may lead him Luke with the judges going

761
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 2: the other way in a close fight.

762
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: I think I think that's a very plausible scenario.

763
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: I think you're right. Again.

764
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: If he can't get the takedown, I don't think he

765
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: can win. I mean maybe if he can get to

766
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: the clinch and do some damage there or something. But

767
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: if he you know, if the takedown isn't there, John's

768
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: chances plummet. But the problem for me is this, man,

769
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: I've never been all that impressed with Gon's grappling ever.

770
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: Like ever you asked, like who took him down before? Well,

771
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: who's who was really trying that had any ability whatsoever?

772
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: And I know what you're gonna say, Well, John's ability

773
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: to climb. Yeah, fair enough, But like even then, John

774
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: is better than anyone else who ever tried to take

775
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: him down before Francis. And more to the point, I

776
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: go back to again, sitting for the ankle he's got

777
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: other he'll hook attempts that were kind of weird against

778
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: guys who didn't know what they were doing. I've never

779
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: been impressed with Gon's ground game. It's his stand up

780
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: game and everything else in his time, in his movement

781
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: like that to me is like the idea that he's

782
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: better on the feet than John seems to me like

783
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: quite obvious, right. I mean, I'd just be very hard.

784
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if he doesn't get the better of

785
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: him on the feet. But the problem is, man, I

786
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: just don't trust someone who had a year to get

787
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: better and then told me they half asked it and

788
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: their last opponent was nothing like John Jones in terms

789
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: of what kind of threat that they offered. I don't,

790
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't trust that if he was really

791
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: one of these guys who was nosed to the grindstone,

792
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: Like if this was Francis, I'd be picking Francis. You know,

793
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: it's but it's not and yeah, God, but let me

794
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: just let me just articulate. Let me just articulate my worldview.

795
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: My worldview is that gon has too much of a

796
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: gap to make up and hasn't put in the work

797
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: to make that up. I think.

798
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, if you if you have the

799
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: evidence of his comments, if you take them at face value,

800
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: then I understand the fuel that you have to make

801
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: that argument. I just can't. I'm not saying gon A

802
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: is an all timer.

803
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: We don't know that.

804
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I can't see this guy lose the

805
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: way he did on the highest level against Gono is

806
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 2: some degree almost embarrassing, right, a guy with a blown

807
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: out knee who's trying to take you down and isn't

808
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: even trying to use, you know, most of his menacing

809
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: strength because he's surviving and you couldn't come over the top.

810
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: That's a wake up call. So he's either going in

811
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: the wrong direction. If you're nervous at what the Tuivasa

812
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: brawl represented, he got caught by a guy that he

813
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: shouldn't pould.

814
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, not nervous about that again.

815
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: On the feet, dude, you know what I'm saying.

816
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: It's real citical in that regard. You can take that

817
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: lane and I get it, But I just I can't

818
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: see him. I'm not not really like you're fighting John.

819
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: You're fighting the greatest of all time in your second

820
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: chance to win the championship a little over a year

821
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: after you failed miserably. There's if you don't have pride

822
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: to put in that work and get better, then you

823
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: don't belong here. We're gonna, as everyone says at the

824
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: end of their answer when they're asked, we're going to

825
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: find out on Saturday, Luke, We're gonna find out on

826
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: freaking Saturday. I just think Don's gonna be a lot

827
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: better than John is framing us to believe his limitations are.

828
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: I think his limitations are limitless. I just don't think

829
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: he's put in the time consistently to get better in

830
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: these areas. Is now he has reason to a lot

831
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 2: of reason.

832
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: To he does.

833
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I just also does he

834
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: have the resources at MMA Factory to get better in

835
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: the grappling in the way that he needs to? Like

836
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: MMA Factory is a very good camp, particularly, I think

837
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: they've they produced good strikers. I've been less than impressed

838
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: with some of the ground games coming out of there.

839
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: So dude, I don't know. I honestly don't know. I

840
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: really don't know how this is gonna go. And I'll

841
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: tell you again, I really don't feel all that confident

842
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: with this pick. But but you know, gun to the

843
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: head scenario, John coming back understanding what he's up against,

844
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: and God having these issues in the past, it's hard

845
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: for me to overlook that.

846
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: But let's add one our picture in Stone you're taking Jones,

847
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm taking Gon. Let's add one more potential wrinkle to

848
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: the mix, the photo of Cyril Gon's hand that has

849
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: been floating around now. He did address this at Thursday's

850
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: press conference, said it was hurt after he injured it,

851
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: but fully Field all ready to go. I mean, what

852
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: do you expect fromim? The He's gonna say my hand

853
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: is compromised, But there's the picture. He's gonna need that

854
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: right hand to win this fight. Luke Thomas is making

855
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: nervous at all in any.

856
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: Form, not much, not much nervous. The reason why I

857
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: would say that is because I've seen a lot of

858
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: fighters hands and they're all messed up. A lot of

859
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: them have had hand surgery, when they make a fist

860
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: again and its it, it will look the same and

861
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: you can see you put the picture back up again,

862
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: you can't. Yeah, look closely. There he had answers, I understand,

863
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: is a big scar the mill there.

864
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: It's gonna be hard to.

865
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: Fully of the other one when you've had it operated

866
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: on in that way. So it does look also swollen,

867
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: and it does look like it's not one hundred percent.

868
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: But I think we'll throw it in the end when

869
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: the adrenaline is pumping. I'm gonna guess that however much

870
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: this hurts and debilitates him when he's not fighting, will

871
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: mostly go away by the time he's fighting, and it

872
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: will hurt like the son of a bitch afterwards, but

873
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: he'll be okay. The the thing I would say is,

874
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how good the surgery was or how

875
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: well it's healed. I wonder if it's susceptible to breaking again,

876
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: And that, to me, is a different scenario. If it

877
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: doesn't actually hurt him and he does throw it but

878
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: it's fragile and then it shatters, Well, now you've got

879
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: all kinds of problems, right.

880
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: Look, we know John Jones's attack is long. Ben heavy.

881
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: He's almost been pioneering on certain ideas of using small

882
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: leg strikes to keep opponents at bay. He already has

883
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: that incredible reach in a decent jab luke, but he's

884
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: always kicking you in the knee, the side of the leg,

885
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: the calf, long before it was hugely popular. Do you

886
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: think that will be part of his offense and on

887
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: the flip side, something that Gon can do as well

888
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: to try to limit John's mobility.

889
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a big part of what he does. Most

890
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 3: of the work he does.

891
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: In fact, if you look at the first Gustus And fight,

892
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: the vast majority of the work he did was leg

893
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: kicking of a variety, and that includes those stomps, those

894
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: kind of sideways, oblique kicks, the teams whatever. Yeah, Gon's

895
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: gonna take it again, Dude, Gon's going to take a

896
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: lot of that away.

897
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: He's going to take dom Reyes had some success with

898
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: that against John early.

899
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: That's right, and dom Reyes was Dude, this is gonna

900
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: look a little bit like the dom Reyis fight because John,

901
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: i think, is going to be plotting forward and Reyes

902
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: was the one on the outside for the most part, circling,

903
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: pulling him in The difference was Reyes had to fight

904
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: both John Jones and the dumbass Texas criteria.

905
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: That favored forward movement. There is none of that in

906
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: this fight.

907
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: John can he can press forward, but if he's getting

908
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: hot shot and then God moves, you can like that

909
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: or you can hate that. But the fact that John

910
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: is moving forward will not confer upon him benefit with

911
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: the judges.

912
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Look, let's continue down in Okay bet with our

913
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: bet number two, we'll clean up any leftover UFC two

914
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: eighty five's Afterwards, we got to pick a favorite to win,

915
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: and I'm going to go into boxing here. We'll have

916
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: more on this matchup, but I did want to get

917
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 2: this on in Stone as my pick. Saturday Showtime Championship Boxing.

918
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: The main event will be for a vacant featherweight world

919
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: title one hundred and twenty six pounds. Brandon Figueroa, who

920
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 2: moved up recently from one twenty two, knocked out Carlos

921
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: Castro like a million bucks. He is gonna take on

922
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: the former champion, Mark Magsaio. We're expecting action, We're expecting

923
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: fun here, Luke. We can get into that preview in

924
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: a second, but I'm gonna take Brandon Figueroa to win

925
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: here as the favorite minus two to eighty for my pick,

926
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: which direction are you going?

927
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 3: So I'm not gonna do the boxing. I'm gonna keep this.

928
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: All of my picks are from tomorrow's MMA UFD card.

929
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: Again Again, I said I wasn't super confident all these.

930
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm reasonably confident in this one. I'm gonna go for

931
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: my favorite, Tabitha Ricci. I think Tabitharicci take it on

932
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: Jessica Penney just Capenny's got some skills, she trains hard,

933
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: she is forty years of age. She's had a series

934
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: of layoffs due to complications with USADA and some injuries

935
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: and a lot of other, you know, unfortunate events. She

936
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: does have good judo, She's got good jiu jitsu. But

937
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: Tabitha Ricci is younger, I think, a bit more of

938
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: a dynamic athlete. I think probably a harder hitter as well.

939
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: Pennay is tough, but she got she got clobbered against

940
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: Emily Ducatti. I think Tabitha is gonna have enough to

941
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: get it done here, so I like her to win.

942
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: Yes, minus three hundred, Ricci the favorite plus two forty

943
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: Well she she.

944
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 3: Was two thirty when I looked, Wow, she's three hundred now.

945
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: Shit.

946
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Caesars is always moving. Luke my underdog this week.

947
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: I like this fight. It's going to be on the

948
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: preliminary card. It's going to be in the middleweight division.

949
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: Luke Drikes dupleas C is going to try to continue

950
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: his hot start to open it claiming Luke He's He's

951
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: claiming himself to be the true African fighter.

952
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: Isn't he? Jesus? I mean, listen, I don't think either

953
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: you or I are in a position to say who

954
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: is and is an African. That seems to be a

955
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: debate that's really not one we can say a lot about.

956
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: But if you're from a place where even you know,

957
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: you're young enough where your parents were a part of

958
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: the APARTI or not a part of it, but like

959
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: lived in Aparthei in South Africa, I can see why

960
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: there might be some dispute about who gets to be

961
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: called African or not, which, by the way, no one

962
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: cannot call him African. I mean he's African.

963
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: I mean he was born and raised on that. Can

964
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: you know, our colleague at CBS Sports HQ, you know

965
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: Hakim Dermish, our fantastic colleague. Love yes, loved doing hits

966
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: with that guy. He was born in Libya and is

967
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: the first North American broadcaster to host sports center in

968
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: the history of the world. Luke, all right, is that right? Sorry?

969
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: North African? Do I say North American? North?

970
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

971
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: North Africa essentially the Arab North that's what you're talking about, basically.

972
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, shout out to Hakim there. He's also African, Luke,

973
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: and there's nothing you can do about it. Speaking of

974
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: this matchup, though, a good one here. Derek Brunson. We

975
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: haven't seen him since that win streak came to a

976
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: close by stoppage against Jared cannoneer more than a year,

977
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, just about a year layoff. As we look

978
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: at Caesars odds right now plus one ninety Derek Brunson

979
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: minus two thirty, Drick is dupless, Luke. Look, we're gonna

980
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: be asking a lot of Derek Brunston at thirty nine.

981
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: But a big part of this run for him in

982
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: the second half, in the twilight of his career to

983
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: have that one more run that got stopped was his

984
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: wrestling ability and his aggressiveness and his focus on that

985
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: and trying to hit up opponents if he sees a

986
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: hole in their game, to outwork them over three rounds. Look,

987
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: that's potentially in play here. He's had some time off,

988
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: which either means he's gonna come back fresh or we're

989
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: going to see the continued advancement of age here at

990
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 2: thirty nine. But even though Dupless hits hard and gets

991
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: you into a fight, the contrast styles are perfect for

992
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: an upset here. Give me Brunson at plus one ninety.

993
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 3: I thought about this one too.

994
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a bad bet at all. I'm

995
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: gonna go a little bit different for my prelam. We're

996
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: picking an underdog. Now I'm gonna go and again there's

997
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: another pick I don't feel super confident about.

998
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna go Vivian. How do we say the

999
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: last name Araujo?

1000
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: If it was if it was my hometown, we call

1001
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: it a Rujo Rujo.

1002
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: Well, Araujo, however you want to say it, I'll call

1003
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: her Vivian. I could say that one a little bit better.

1004
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: I like her chances against Hebos a little bit, a

1005
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: little bit enough to take a flyer on her here.

1006
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: She's not a significant underdog to Hibus. It's pretty close

1007
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: and hebus I certainly, I think it'd be foolish to

1008
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: close the book on her ten and three, and.

1009
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: I want to is gonna win this fight.

1010
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: Okay, She's coming off the Kaitlinn.

1011
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: Shukegian loss, which was a split decision, was somewhat disputed,

1012
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: and she did be Verner Jenji Roba.

1013
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: But Vivian can.

1014
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: Pop and Kebos gets hit way too much for our liking.

1015
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell I'll take a bit of a flyer on

1016
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: old Vivian there.

1017
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: Okay, this could be a point situation for me if

1018
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: I can get a nice win here, Luke, let's keep

1019
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: it going, do over under. I am going to take

1020
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: the under and the fight in question is going to

1021
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: be a very interesting one in the bantam white division.

1022
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: This could be your preliminary feature about on ESPN before

1023
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: the pay per view, and it's Cody Garbrandt and Trevin Jones. Luke.

1024
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: I have followed Cody's journey this week in terms of

1025
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: speaking to the media closely and you know, not making excuses,

1026
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: but he did break down some of the stuff in

1027
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: his personal life that was in shambles surrounding that cut

1028
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: down to flyweight, Luke. Where he did get stopped was

1029
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: a KAIKR. France took care of him. The thing in

1030
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: the end, Luke, he's saying is the way cut was

1031
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: never an issue. He said he could do it again tomorrow,

1032
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: but he went through a divorce how to sell his

1033
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: house during fight camp, Like you know, at a lot

1034
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: of stuff that gets these are humans, Luke. This that

1035
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: stuff gets in the way, does that buy him more

1036
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: life to the idea that there's still something here? It

1037
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: might be, but Luke, my bet here is that this

1038
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: doesn't go the distance. Are the Cody Garbrand's gonna continue

1039
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: the streak he's on and be you know, one fight

1040
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: closer to the end of it, or he's gonna bounce

1041
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: back big. Either way, it's gonna happen by Ko. So

1042
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: I'm taking that under.

1043
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's a fair pick. That's one I

1044
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: feel reasonably confident about. BC. We're talking over under. I'm

1045
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: gonna take the under on Bo Nickel Jamie Pickett. I

1046
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: just don't see anyway that one goes to a decision.

1047
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: I don't see any way Bo Nickel loses short of

1048
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: some kind of weirdness. Although MMA is capable.

1049
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: Of that first round stoppage, Luke, that's his prediction.

1050
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one.

1051
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: I'd be very surprised if it went to the second.

1052
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if it went to the third. But

1053
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: I guess one never knows.

1054
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

1055
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: Bo Nichols probably gonna off the floor with him here,

1056
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: But there's no way this fight goes the distance. Give

1057
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: me this one to stick the under.

1058
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: Look this place right into my pick for KO or sub.

1059
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: I'm going with submission in this exact fight, Bo Nickel

1060
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 2: versus Jamie Pickett, if you wanted to know the lion

1061
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: at the moment. Overall, it's minus sixteen hundred for Nickel

1062
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: to win, plus nine hundred for Picket, and I'm gonna

1063
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: take the submission win, although it could go either way

1064
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: here for Bo. We'll see what happens, all right.

1065
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: So for my last and final pick, we have to

1066
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: do a KO or sub. How about Rockmanov? Neil ends

1067
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: in TKO. I think that's the way it's going to go,

1068
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: and that one could be sub too, especially since Rockmanov

1069
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: is a little bit more I think better about like

1070
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: locking up like you know, subs at the end of

1071
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: a round. He did it to Olivera.

1072
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 3: He did it to Neil Magni.

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00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: He's done to a couple of guys, but at the

1074
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: same time more than that actually, But at the same time,

1075
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: I feel like Neil is just going to trade with

1076
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: him a little bit in a ways that probably isn't

1077
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: wise because rock Monov can do that to you, and

1078
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: Romano's gonna get the finish here for sure.

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00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: Recap for this week's Okay Bet Luke taking John Jones

1080
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: In the main event, Tabitha Ricci has a favorite, Vivianna

1081
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: Rugo as the underdog. Bo Nickel goes under Rock manof

1082
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: Neil by TKO and on the flip side, I've got gone.

1083
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: In the main event, Brandon Figuero and boxing is the favorite.

1084
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,479
Speaker 2: Runs in the underdog Cody Garbrandt's fight to go under

1085
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: and bow Nickel by submission. We'll see how it plays out.

1086
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: As I make moves here, Luke quickly to sweep up

1087
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: on two eighty five predictions. Anything gonna happen here in

1088
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: this women's flyweight comin event. Valentino Chefchenko, Alexa Grosso or

1089
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: did the odds say it all?

1090
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1091
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 3: I mean I respect again I did.

1092
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: I really respect both competitors here. This is a worthy adversary.

1093
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: She earned the opportunity. MMA is crazy. One never knows,

1094
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: but based on all the information that we have, it

1095
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: seems very likely Shifchenko is going to win and probably

1096
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 1: put her away.

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00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: Dude, Chefchenko's gonna take her down and try to prove

1098
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: all of us wrong that she had any issue on

1099
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: the ground. I know that's not the same type of opponent, right,

1100
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: so it may be easier, but I think she's gonna

1101
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: do like she did she had an f You remember

1102
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: the way the Jessica Androge fight for Chevchenko turned out

1103
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: to be an fu fight. It turned out to be Oh,

1104
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: you guys, think there's somebody out there that can, you know,

1105
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: test my my rain? And now she's been tested since then.

1106
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying she isn't human, but it's gonna be

1107
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 2: one of those showcases. So take Valentina, take it big,

1108
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 2: take it home.

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00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a favorite to our producer Mikey, Mikey,

1110
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: I forgot my glass of water that I have in here.

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00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: Can you just put it on BC so I can

1112
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: go get it?

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00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yea.

1114
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: Why would do a BC live chat right now, I'll

1115
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: be taking your questions. The other bouts we want to

1116
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 2: get picks from. Here is this welterweight pairing Jeff Neil

1117
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 2: against Shavcot rock Monoff. To give you an update on

1118
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: the odds at this moment, Jeff Neil plus four hundred

1119
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: on Caesar's minus five point fifty for rock mon Off.

1120
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 2: And that interesting test at lightweight when Jalen Turner, a

1121
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: plus one eighty underdog, takes on minus two twenty. I

1122
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: thought about Gamro.

1123
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: Hold On, let me ask you a question. Hold on,

1124
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. Why didn't you Because

1125
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: I didn't do it either, But why didn't you pick

1126
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: Turner as your underdog?

1127
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: Because gam Rock made a statement at the press conference

1128
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: and the few questions he was asked lukey because how

1129
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: about by the way, stout off to the SCHMO going

1130
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 2: hey John Jones, how you're gonna get turned up and

1131
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: lit at the Haka is On after party?

1132
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1133
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: No, it turned out to be a cool question in

1134
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: that regard.

1135
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: At one time he asked it, I was like, holy shit,

1136
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: scho what are you doing?

1137
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: Look, there wasn't a ton of bullshit, but Sura this time,

1138
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: although there's a lot of people reading off their phones,

1139
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: like I don't know. Look, is that is that impossible

1140
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: to ask somebody to come up with a question and

1141
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: not read it word for word off the prompter.

1142
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: It's it's it's all these jobs, all of these responsibilities,

1143
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: all these various acts in service of the job.

1144
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: They are harder than they look. I don't think people

1145
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: realize that. But answer the question.

1146
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: I didn't pick jaaln Turner either because Gamro's wrestling is

1147
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: so overwhelming, but I was tempted.

1148
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: Luke Gamrot at the presser said I am going to

1149
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: get that finished. I have asked him to be more aggressive.

1150
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 2: He garantee to finish and the few words he said

1151
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: on there, so Luke, that is Yeah. It's gonna bring

1152
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: on the danger, of course, because his opponent is one

1153
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 2: of those guys that can pull things out of nowhere,

1154
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: exciting things, and that's part of why this fight is

1155
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 2: so good and offers an opportunity for either one to

1156
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: make a big leap. But no, dude, I think Gamrot's

1157
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: gonna get it done. I think this is gonna be

1158
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: a reminder of exactly who he is. Just needed to

1159
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: fine tune perfectly here and it's a short notice fight too, right, Luke.

1160
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: I mean you know there's some there's some risk that

1161
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: the tarantula has taken here just to make a big statement,

1162
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: and I respect that.

1163
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: Yep.

1164
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 2: Sometimes you gotta you gotta hit your ceiling, work your around,

1165
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: come back, you know.

1166
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: Or or Gamrot is gonna make a bad choice about

1167
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: what kind of takedown to pursue a what time, and

1168
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: Turner is so lights out with it and merciless he's

1169
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: gonna have his way. I guess we're gonna I do.

1170
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fine Tomorrow's main card. And by the way,

1171
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: we didn't even tell him, Yes, we didn't go in

1172
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: studio this week. I'm gonna ce BC tomorrow in studio.

1173
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: We're doing the prelimbs obviously for the boxing fights on showtime,

1174
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: and then afterwards we're going to do a post fight

1175
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: live in studio BC and I for UFC two eighty five,

1176
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: So we are going to have studio content tomorrow.

1177
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: Can we take their questions live, Luke at the end

1178
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: of it or no?

1179
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: I have asked for that.

1180
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if we have something set up, but

1181
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: I think I asked Long Island Luke last time about

1182
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: that for getting questions on Twitter. I think they said

1183
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: they could do it. I think we should try it.

1184
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: You know, his dad's from Australia.

1185
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: I do know that.

1186
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Luke. Speaking of great partners to work with,

1187
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: we got a new one and I'd have to say

1188
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about this partnership, mostly because most of

1189
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 2: my favorite strial whites and fly weights are already putting

1190
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: out ads on ig all the time.

1191
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: For them, Luke, I would I would imagine you've seen them.

1192
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: Then, Yeah, this is the part where you would pick

1193
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 2: up the script on this word, says Luke.

1194
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: Cold Yep, that's right.

1195
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: John Jones makes his long away to return against Cyril

1196
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: Gone for the vacant heavyweight bat title at UFC two

1197
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: eighty five. This one could go either way, which makes

1198
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: it a perfect opportunity to take advantage of boosted odds

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Speaker 1: at my bookie.

1200
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Speaker 2: My bookie, Wow, Luke. When it comes to betting on

1201
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: the UFC, there's a ton of value in prop bets,

1202
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 2: like predicting how a fight will finish or how many

1203
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: rounds it will go. I like doing that.

1204
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: Getting started is easy.

1205
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: Just visit my bookie dot ag and use the promo

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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars March Madness bracket contest entry.

1209
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: And people are asking me to this all the time.

1210
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: BC.

1211
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: I want a sportsbook that gives me the most for

1212
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: my money to bet on this weekend's UFC two eighty

1213
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: five card. Well, I got an answer for you, folks.

1214
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 2: It's my bookie. Bet anything anytime anywhere with my bookie

1215
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: and Luke. Speaking of dot AG which is their website,

1216
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: shout out to AG one and AG two Amanda Gara

1217
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: as well.

1218
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: Think that's right. Shout to AG two and AG three BC,

1219
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: which is just vaping.

1220
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: Just watermelon vapor like a real man does. Okay, yes, yes, hey,

1221
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: look what is How curious is Tuki about this little

1222
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 2: habit of yours?

1223
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: Not very not very She doesn't ever seem to be

1224
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: interested in it. I don't really do it in front

1225
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: of her anyway, so not at all for what I

1226
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: can tell, not go on world.

1227
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: My kids, who are fifteen, my twins, they tried to

1228
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: out me this morning. They're like, oh, Dad, let me

1229
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: guess you're hungover, you know, try to shame, try to

1230
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: body shame me because I haven't taken great care of myself.

1231
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: You're like, you're like mister Sneeby in School of Rock,

1232
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: and it's like it's like, uh, it's like, yo, you're drunk.

1233
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I was drunk yesterday.

1234
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, thank you. Look topic number one after okay,

1235
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 2: bet in the UFC two eighty five are and the

1236
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 2: rare view is what's going to go down Saturday, nine

1237
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Speaker 2: pm Eastern Time only on Showtime, a triple header of

1238
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: Showtime Championship Boxing. And I'm telling you, folks, Ontario, California

1239
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: is the setting this This fight is probably gonna be

1240
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: a great one and contend for a Fight of the

1241
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 2: Year for however long it last. You say, how could

1242
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: you be? See look at the competitors we got in

1243
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: this one. Brandon figueroa former title holder at one hundred

1244
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: and twenty two pounds, only career loss that split decision

1245
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: Fight of the Year against Stephen Fulton Junior. He thought, Luke,

1246
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: he was getting a rematch right here. Fulton's got other

1247
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: plans at the moment, so he's just gonna stay at

1248
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 2: one twenty six and welcome Mark Magsio, the Filipino power puncher,

1249
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: former champion in this way class, lost that belt in

1250
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 2: a very close split decision to Ray Vargas, but now

1251
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: he's back for a vacant title. Luke, I tell you

1252
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: Figaro is gonna fight Mac Sao, and the odds at

1253
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 2: the moment are going to be minus two to eighty

1254
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: for Brandon the Heartbreaker plus two ten for Mark Magso.

1255
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: I know the first thing you'll say, expectation wise is

1256
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 2: action and entertainment. But going a little bit deeper, what

1257
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: are you looking out for when these two touch gloves Saturday.

1258
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: Night collision Collision? Figureoa is gonna be all over him

1259
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: like white on rice, as we say, as we used

1260
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: to say in the South, like a duck on a

1261
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: june bug, is what they used to say. Here's the

1262
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: problem for I think Mechsio in this one. He is

1263
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: a very worthy adversary. But I'm surprised the odds are

1264
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: as close as they are. Listen, FIGAROA is longer, stronger, younger,

1265
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: and has done better against better opposition. He gave Fulton

1266
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: Junior all he could handle something pretty close to that, right,

1267
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean that was a close ass fight through the

1268
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: entire twelve rounds, and he felt like he deserved the decision.

1269
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: I disagreed.

1270
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: I thought Fulton one, but it was close, and Fulton

1271
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: is best in class, right. Maxio is to step down

1272
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: from that and has a come forward kind of you know,

1273
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: can be a brawler at times. He's got that classic

1274
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: kind of Filipino in your face style which is fun

1275
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: and all action oriented, and he's gonna land on Figaroa.

1276
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 3: But dude, Figuaroa is.

1277
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: An absolute beast, and I just think he's gonna in

1278
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: the end, Mexio is gonna get hit with way, way

1279
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: more shots than the other way around, especially in the

1280
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: range that Figarola we talked about, like the towering Inferno

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Speaker 1: Sebastian Fundora. He's a little bit like that where he

1282
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 1: just kind of hangs over you like a canopy. He's

1283
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: gonna swallow Mark Mexio eventually.

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00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: Look, he's gonna fight find some legitimate resistance from Maxo

1285
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: because for as raw as he is technically, and that

1286
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: has cost him in in you know, in that fight

1287
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: against rave Argus for sure. But uh, he he just

1288
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: keeps coming and he'll take damage and keep throwing and

1289
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: find a way to land athletic power shots. So what's

1290
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting to me? And look, I caught up

1291
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: with Brandon Figaroa, The Heartbreaker. You can check out that

1292
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: interview at YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat where he

1293
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 2: wears Luke almost like an Emo cap and a lot

1294
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 2: of people thought he was the guy from Fallout Boy. No,

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00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: it's it's the Heartbreaker Brandon figarol.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, he looks like he looked like he was

1297
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: getting ready to make you and you know, like an

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00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: oat milk latte.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, or talk to me about dashboard confessional, which

1300
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: I would have been here for that conversation.

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00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 3: To be death cab for CUTI.

1302
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I'll follow this kid

1303
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: into the dark anywhere. Luke got a great strength trainer too.

1304
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: But look, let's get serious here for a second. On

1305
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: Brandon Figueroa, something happened when he moved up to one

1306
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: twenty six. He wasn't killing his body anymore. And what

1307
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 2: he told me in that interview is it was like

1308
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 2: night and day from the idea of energy explosiveness and

1309
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: that fueled into the power. Yes, he fought more like

1310
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: the traditional Figaroa style when he took out Carlos Castro

1311
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Speaker 2: in his featherweight debut, but Luke it was dominant and

1312
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: the power was moving him. Previously, Figaroa not known as

1313
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: a knockout threat except to the body. He knocked out

1314
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: Luisnary in a massive fight to set up that Fulton showdown,

1315
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: and that was to a big hook to the body.

1316
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 2: And he's got that for sure. And actually in my

1317
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: interview I encourage people to check it out. I did

1318
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: ask him where he focuses. Is it that one spot,

1319
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: is it the left hook to the liver or does

1320
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: he feel he can turn off anyone's lights downstairs by

1321
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 2: going hard to the body. But he Luke when he

1322
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: is mixing in a little bit more of what everyone

1323
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: said he should do, which is you've you know, his

1324
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: brother fought the same way. You're tall and long, long arms,

1325
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: but you give away your height and reach and you're

1326
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: not a knockout puncher. You just get inside and just

1327
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: throw educated punches and bunches and you you know, you

1328
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,479
Speaker 2: take damage and you give away your natural advantages. He's

1329
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: starting to work in a little bit more boxing from

1330
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 2: range and using his jab. He did that in Windows

1331
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: against Carlos Castro. There's a lot of narrative heading into

1332
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: this fight that if he just boxes from the outside,

1333
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 2: he's not gonna have any issues with Maxio, no matter

1334
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 2: how aggressive and persistent Mark is. Do you think he

1335
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,479
Speaker 2: can do that if he wants to, Or the fact

1336
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: that at the end of the day he loves to

1337
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 2: make fun fights that's gonna come out. I mean, look,

1338
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: this thing's gonna they're gonna dance back in there.

1339
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing with the right partner. I think that

1340
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: idea about what Figaroa could do would make some sense

1341
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: that does seem to be like a reasonable thing is like,

1342
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: could Figaroa fight this way if he wanted to in

1343
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: the right circumstance, Yes, yes, think he could. The problem

1344
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: is or I actually I think that the challenge to

1345
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: that is gonna be Mexio.

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01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 3: He's gonna be in his face too.

1347
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: He's and he's gonna be like, oh, you wanna have

1348
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: a you wanna have a you wanna you know, he's

1349
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: got one of those kinds of attitudes like you want

1350
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: to do this, let's gonna do this.

1351
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 3: He's gonna get right up in his chest, right up

1352
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 3: in his face and go to work.

1353
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: And so a guy who's gonna sit down on his

1354
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: punches like that, you might think, well, that would deter Figureoa.

1355
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: He that would be a perfect case to jab. I

1356
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: actually think because of the exchanging and the way in

1357
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: which a guy's gonna be sitting down like that, it's

1358
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: going to invite Figueroa to revert back to what he

1359
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: already likes, which, by the way, you're right, he takes

1360
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: damage doing that, but he's very good in that style

1361
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: as well. It works for him, at least for now

1362
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: while he's young. So they might there might be punctuated

1363
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: moments of that PC and it may even start that way.

1364
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: But I just feel like mex Sio's style with what

1365
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: Figaroa more habitually likes, that's gonna that's gonna see it

1366
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: itself made present over time.

1367
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: Anytime you get an aggressive Philip fighter, we're ready to

1368
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 2: make the Pacquiao comparisons. In this case, Pacquiao's the promoter

1369
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 2: of Mark Marxeo, so their styles aren't, you know, perfect match,

1370
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: but it's the same spirit, although he's an orthodox fighter.

1371
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 2: But the one thing about Manny though, and I'm not again,

1372
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: I mean, who else is Manny right? Historically not many.

1373
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: He was just this hurricane of straight left hands early on,

1374
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: and it actually was so dynamic. I mean, when he

1375
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 2: stopped Marco Antonio Brera to have that true like breakthrough,

1376
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: I'm poundful, pound ilk, I'm ready to be a star win,

1377
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: it was like, holy crap. And over time, you give

1378
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: Freddie Roach and him a lot of credit. They added

1379
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: so many wrinkles to his game. Remember that he never

1380
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: used his right hand ever, and then that became Manila

1381
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: ice hook that he called it. He actually became one

1382
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 2: of the best pure boxers in the game by the

1383
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 2: end of his career. I'm not saying Maxo is going

1384
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: to do that and not do that in the gap

1385
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 2: of one fight, but should we expect improvement in some

1386
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: level of the technical aspects because they made Paccio's explosiveness

1387
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: and wildness wildness work by marrying it with certain levels

1388
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: of fundamental activity. Max say, it seems to have like,

1389
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: you know, enough of a foundational form where if you

1390
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 2: if you forced him to focus in on that jab

1391
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 2: and work distance a little bit more, you know, there's

1392
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 2: there's still time for him to improve. But how much

1393
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 2: improvement can we expect here?

1394
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm a very modest amount and also just again it

1395
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: goes back to, like your style is, people don't people may.

1396
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: Your style is somewhat an extension of your personality, you know,

1397
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: it's almost a signature of like how you view danger,

1398
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: how you assess risk, what you like to do, what

1399
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: you don't like to do, and what that says about you.

1400
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: Like it says certain something about you the way that

1401
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: you fight a little bit, and people can sometimes you

1402
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: a little bit too much into that, but there is

1403
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: there is a connection between your sensibilities and the way

1404
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: in which you compete, and especially in a fight a

1405
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: sport like this where it's individual, right, it's your it's

1406
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: what you're doing.

1407
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:57,959
Speaker 3: Dude.

1408
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: He's not a guy who's gonna and then exit like you.

1409
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: We just saw him fighting Gary Russell Junr here in

1410
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: these highlights. Gary Russell Junior can do that because he's

1411
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: a little bit more naturally situated that way. He's always

1412
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: been kind of doing a little bit of that sticking

1413
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: move at times, or if he needed to be on

1414
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: the back foot and use good ring craft, he could.

1415
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 3: Mexio is not that guy, dude.

1416
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: He's not going to box nine rounds twelve on the

1417
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: outside circling on the outside.

1418
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 3: He doesn't believe in that. It's not his gear.

1419
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense to him. What makes sense to

1420
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: him is to maybe more scientifically, but certainly to bring

1421
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: the fight to you. Well, Figueroa also thinks he should

1422
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: bring the fight to you, which means you know, you're

1423
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: just it just doesn't seem like this is the fight

1424
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: to showcase, and there might be some elements of what

1425
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about, but this is the right to showcase

1426
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: the broader details of that.

1427
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be a fun one fetherway title at

1428
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 2: stake And if you want to catch more on my

1429
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 2: interview with Figaroa, I got his thoughts on full and

1430
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: pulling out of talks to rematch him to go in

1431
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: the direction of Niowa in Newa, which we expect later

1432
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: this spring, including his thoughts of who wins that fight

1433
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 2: and whether he's still chasing Fulton in the future. Check

1434
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 2: it out mcclar vedal versus Elijah Lorenzo Garcia in the

1435
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: co feature and then Luke We kick off the night

1436
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: with Jared Swift heard back after that long break. He

1437
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: lost a split decision to Luis cuba Arius on the

1438
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: Mayweather Logan. Paul undercard. He's at middlewaight full time. Now

1439
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 2: he's gonna welcome Jose Armando Resendez. I probably butcher that Resendez.

1440
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 2: I can't pronounce it, Luke. Jose's a plus three hundred

1441
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: underdog minus four to twenty five for Jared Hurd. So

1442
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: we'll see if the greater DMV product can can find

1443
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 2: a new gear. Luke, I'd like to see that out

1444
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 2: of him. He's still so thirty two years old's still

1445
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 2: so young. Let let's see what he's got left.

1446
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: He looked bad in his last fight. He looked bad

1447
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: and again without seeing whether there's accents on these, here's

1448
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: gonna be. Do you want my gringo best guess how

1449
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: to pronounce his opponent's name. Yeah, here's my best guess.

1450
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: Jose Armando resendis.

1451
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: Rayceendi's okay, Ray Sendi's I'll take that one. Goldn't be

1452
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: into i'mna be watching that fight closely. But before those

1453
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,439
Speaker 2: fights go down, the nine pm Eastern triple header start.

1454
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: You can catch Luke Thomas and myself six thirty pm

1455
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: Eastern on Saturday. Where how about the Showtime Sports YouTube channel,

1456
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 2: It's Showtime Boxing Countdown. Luke Thomas and I will set

1457
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: the stage for the evening's main card and provide you

1458
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: with the call of three action fights on this preliminary card,

1459
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: including Terrell Goshe one hundred and fifty four pound contender

1460
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 2: fresh off that close loss to Tim Zuo. He'll be

1461
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: taking on Brandon Lynch. We got Trayvon Marshall and Justin

1462
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 2: Deloch in the co feature. And look, you remember this

1463
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 2: guy we called one of his fights last year, Enrico Gogokiya.

1464
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: We'll be back taking on Sam Teya, who is a

1465
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: veteran of showbox as well.

1466
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: So so go back to former, former highly decorated kickboxer. Absolutely,

1467
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: he's an interesting one.

1468
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be watching that one closely. Luke. Topic number

1469
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: two this week, how about this from BKFC. Dude, we

1470
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 2: they get They get on our radar a few times lately,

1471
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 2: usually through Pro pro Wrestling theatrics, But this time, how

1472
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 2: about signing big names On the same day Luke rock

1473
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 2: Hold gets announced as a big time BKFC free agent signing,

1474
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 2: ash does Eddie Alvarez, the under Ground King. So how

1475
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 2: about this for April It's I think it's April twenty ninth.

1476
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 2: I think that's actually the Day in Colorado twenty one,

1477
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: twenty one. Here, maybe we should look Mikey, can you

1478
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 2: look that up? Here's the deal though, BKFC going in

1479
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: big with this pay per view, your main event late

1480
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 2: April in Colorado, Luke rock Hole versus Mike Perry, your

1481
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 2: co feature Eddie Alvarez versus Chad Money Mendus, and there's

1482
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,959
Speaker 2: a women's title fight as well. Ben Rothwell will also

1483
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 2: be on this card. I have to say it's April

1484
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 2: twenty nine, thank you. I have to say Luke that

1485
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 2: I am like not even there's no shame involved. I

1486
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 2: am all all freaking in on this type of slop.

1487
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 2: Like this is when I show up at that gas

1488
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 2: station on the mass Pike and I find out that

1489
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 2: they shot the cheese into the hot dog. I know

1490
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 2: what it's gonna do to me, and I'm here for it.

1491
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: I okay. So Eddie Alvarez did an interview, for example,

1492
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: with I think Jimmy Smith where he said that the

1493
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: contract is non exclusive, right, so he has some options

1494
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: to go some other places, which I think is great

1495
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: for Eddie. I don't know if that's Luke rock Hold's

1496
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: contract or not. I I don't mind it as much

1497
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: with Eddie. I think Eddie still got a little bit

1498
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 1: of fight left in him. Obviously, he's ad the you know,

1499
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: the very tail end of his career. He's very senior

1500
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: level fighter. But he's fighting a guy who's a natural

1501
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 1: one forty five who's gonna be a little bit bigger,

1502
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: who we know, who can pop and you know who

1503
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: knows if he's on the gear at this point or

1504
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: not PC but better be. But that one I don't

1505
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:55,560
Speaker 1: think is great for Eddie. But okay, I can you

1506
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: know he's he's a grown man.

1507
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 2: Don't look at this from like a cent. This is

1508
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: not a sensible fight card, Luke. Okay, it's it's like

1509
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 2: it's a circus and we're here for it, all right.

1510
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 3: All right? Well, I just mean.

1511
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: The rock Hold one is more interesting to me.

1512
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: So what do you say to all the people who

1513
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 2: responded to my tweet and your tweet and anyone's tweet going, yeah,

1514
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 2: ain't Luke rock Hold a lot bigger than Mike Perry? Though, Dude,

1515
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 2: Mike Perry lives for this shit. We gotta find out

1516
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 2: if Luke rock Hoold lives for this shit like he

1517
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 2: did against Paulo Costa right.

1518
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing, right, So okay, your first

1519
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: reaction is, well, wait a second. One guy fought as

1520
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: high as two hundred and five pounds and one guy

1521
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: is a welterweight, Like we're gonna put those two guys together.

1522
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 1: That seems like a mismatch, and it could be. I

1523
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 1: don't know what weight this fight has been contracted for.

1524
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: Was it one nine, one five? I had to double check,

1525
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: so you know. But the point is this rock Hold's

1526
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: gonna have to have some kind of a weight cut, right, uh.

1527
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: Known durability issues at the stage of his Squirrel though

1528
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: he did go three rounds with Paulo Costa, but the

1529
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: dirty b the issues. I think you can't look the

1530
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: other way on in particular BC, because the ring is

1531
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: tiny and I don't know how anyone hasn't really talked

1532
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: about this. Luke Rockold's striking game is primarily kickboxing based,

1533
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: but now it's just with punches, and it's like he

1534
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: probably has a reach advantage too. I'm going to imagine

1535
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: he's obviously a much taller person. It's like, listen, Luke

1536
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: rock Hoold had a much more decorated MMA career.

1537
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 3: He was a strikeforce champion. He was a UFC champion, like.

1538
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 1: He did a lot as an MMA fighter, but he

1539
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: is long in the tooth and Mike Perry is a

1540
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: fucking savage. So even if he's giving up all that weight,

1541
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: the rules, Rockold's essential style, his durability issues, and the

1542
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: fact that BKFC kind of suits people who are a

1543
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: little bit more bite down on the mouthpiece in your

1544
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: face types. It's like, who are you putting money on?

1545
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: Gun to your head? Rock Holder, Perry Harry could probably

1546
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: go Perry.

1547
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: You have to ask yourself what is the biggest adjustment,

1548
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: Like why are so many boxers not doing there? It's

1549
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 2: been a few boxers, but it's mostly been MMA fighters.

1550
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 2: I think, Luke, because even though I don't see even

1551
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: people taking advantage of the clinching opportunities that there's there,

1552
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 2: I just think in general it's different. Now some boxers did.

1553
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: Austin Trout came in and lit up Diego Sanchez, but

1554
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 2: in general, Luke, it's different. You know you, Michael, I

1555
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 2: think MVP even thought he was going to come in

1556
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 2: work behind that jab. You know it would be easy.

1557
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 2: It's you can't load up on every punch. It's a

1558
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 2: different setup people that are able to use the dirty

1559
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 2: boxing elements that can be a hindrance. And also it's gnarly, dude,

1560
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 2: you can get sliced open. I mean, I'm not saying

1561
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 2: that these guys aren't fighters. They that, you know, That's

1562
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 2: why they agreed to do this. They don't care about

1563
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 2: that danger. But there's a lot of curve balls that

1564
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 2: get thrown your fist breaking early, you know what I mean.

1565
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 2: There's a lot of a lot of curveballs in this

1566
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 2: type of environment of which Mike Perry lives for. When

1567
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 2: he went in there in that Triller hybrid thing they

1568
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: did and he fought Michael Seals, that hard hitting light

1569
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 2: heavyweight boxer, I thought, you know, he was going to

1570
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 2: run into something, big dude. He grinded that shit out

1571
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 2: like like a like a man. I mean, that was

1572
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 2: an impressive, manly performance. And AV the same damn thing

1573
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: with MVP. This is what he's bred for and he's

1574
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: still got enough in the tank that yeah, he probably

1575
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: should be the favorite here against Luther.

1576
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: And I gotta say, let me, let me ask, let

1577
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: me ask you a question about this BC, because I

1578
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: can't decide how I feel about it. Maybe you feel

1579
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: more clearly one way or the other. Do you find

1580
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 1: it good that there is a promoter not really in

1581
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: the MMA space. I mean they're pulling from MM fighters,

1582
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: which is the point of the question, but they're not

1583
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: putting on MMA, right, They're putting on something else that

1584
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: is taking away some of these names from MMA promotions.

1585
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: Or are you glad there's someone who's kind of all

1586
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: in on the post prime section of fighters and that's

1587
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: forcing MMA promoters to get a little bit better about

1588
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: curating their up and coming talent or just not relying

1589
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: on these kinds of names. How do you feel about

1590
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 1: what BKFC is doing in terms of taking all these

1591
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: names away.

1592
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 2: I feel it's great and it's not as if there's

1593
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 2: not real which is why people try to sign people

1594
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: to long term, multiple fight deals so they can always

1595
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 2: get the rematch or the comeback or whatever. But it's

1596
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 2: more in line. Look, the few Eddie hurt Eddie hern

1597
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 2: in boxing has had some very prescient comment pressing is

1598
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 2: that the right word about what the future is? You know,

1599
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 2: he he had been people had ask him, how were

1600
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 2: you able to get Canelo to be loyal to you?

1601
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: When Canelo has all the leverage in the world. And

1602
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 2: he's like, because the fighter is the boss. And he's like,

1603
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 2: you know, we're in the outdated model that you know,

1604
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 2: Don King and Bob Aram and now Dana White employee

1605
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 2: where you know, you work for them and whatever they

1606
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 2: give you you'll be happy with. It is changing in

1607
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: that regard, So fighters should be allowed the freedom now

1608
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 2: is there If you're an MMA promoter and you've got

1609
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 2: them under contract, you want them to go to a

1610
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 2: dangerous sport like this where they get carved up and

1611
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 2: it hurt their hands be out for a while. No,

1612
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: there's some give and take and worry in that regard,

1613
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: but there's also something to keeping people happy. I mean,

1614
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 2: look when I'll just be you know, real honest with

1615
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 2: you when I when I work at ESPN and I

1616
01:13:58,320 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 2: don't know if the rules are the same now. You know,

1617
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: you can't go do something on the side for another

1618
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: company unless you're at a very very very very high level, right.

1619
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 2: You can't just like take an announcing gig on the

1620
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 2: side for somebody else.

1621
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 4: You know.

1622
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 2: I've been able through my relationships with with with my

1623
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 2: boss at CBS to get certain extra you know, opportunities

1624
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: and experience in reps that, by the way, make me

1625
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 2: more valuable for my own employer and keep me happy.

1626
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 2: And you'd like to see more of a give and

1627
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 2: take relationship in general. But just as a fight fan,

1628
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 2: you give these guys a chance to do these one

1629
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 2: off things where they're gonna have fun. They can make

1630
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 2: a lot of money. Yeah, we're always gonna argue when

1631
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 2: it's somebody like Diego Sanchez of do you want to

1632
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: see this? These names in question though, aren't at that point.

1633
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 2: I love it. I love the marketing strategy of David

1634
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 2: Felman at the moment. Look, he you know, he comes

1635
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 2: from the side, the real carnival side of it, so

1636
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 2: he's gonna make decisions at times that we're gonna grown at.

1637
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 2: And I think Diego Sanchez is one of those. And

1638
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: he's had a few other ones.

1639
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 3: But right now, well a guy died two years ago.

1640
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 3: Let's not forget that.

1641
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 2: Well, right now, he's it seems to have it figured out.

1642
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 2: When they signed sign Page van Zan. It seemed to

1643
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 2: get them a lot of attention that they needed. It

1644
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 2: sparked their women's division, which is fun. They've got some

1645
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 2: guys that are like like Lorenzo Haunt, who just seem

1646
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 2: like they're perfect for this and their characters and they're

1647
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 2: fun to watch and they have enough name value in

1648
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: MMA where you'll tune in. But now you're starting to

1649
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,600
Speaker 2: get some guys who have like legit juice left to

1650
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 2: make really fun fights if you allow them to do

1651
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 2: what they want. I mean, Scott Cooker's learning that too

1652
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 2: to a certain degree. Luke. I mean, he let MVP

1653
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 2: do this and it didn't necessarily derail even though MVP

1654
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: was in a six round fight, it didn't derail his

1655
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 2: you know, welterweight title hopes. Here in Belatorrety can come

1656
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 2: back happy, well paid. It's where we're at, Luke. You

1657
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 2: got to have options, you gotta have leverage, you got

1658
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 2: to be you know, it's different.

1659
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: It's a different Yeah, I mean, I still have questions

1660
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: about the viability of the business as well as the

1661
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: safety of it. But it's gonna be in Colorado for

1662
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: that one, which is a good commission. Oh, by the way,

1663
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: elevation at another factor in their elevation. Uh, it's gonna

1664
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: be a fun one. Man, That's going to be an

1665
01:15:58,840 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: interesting one for sure.

1666
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 2: Indeed, well, good move. We'll see what breaks down with this,

1667
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 2: and don't forget Luke in April. We've also got April's

1668
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 2: gonna be wild. We've also got the one Championship US

1669
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 2: debut in Colorado, which is a loaded card. Yep, Tank Davis,

1670
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia.

1671
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 3: No wait, I thought I thought the I thought the

1672
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 3: one debut was May fifth, is it?

1673
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe I'm a couple of weeks.

1674
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 3: I think that's right.

1675
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 2: Uh. Then we've got, of course, Tank Davis April twenty

1676
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 2: second against Ryan Garcia. I'll be on vacation yay, Yeah,

1677
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 2: you will right after week after me, Luke. Really, we

1678
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 2: couldn't coordinate that better.

1679
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 3: Dude.

1680
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: It's you and I before. So you were you were

1681
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: taking you were taking my vacation schedule for granted, because

1682
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: yours was based on your kids schooling. Well now mine

1683
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 1: is based on my kids schooling. So DCPs has off

1684
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: whatever week it is in April. Yeah.

1685
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, Tuki at three years old, Luke,

1686
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 2: she can't miss that time, you know what I mean?

1687
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: No, I mean she can miss days. I mean, let's

1688
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: be honest, she's in there.

1689
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 2: Just stay home.

1690
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, just befork coloring.

1691
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 2: But uh, April eighth obviously a big day as well.

1692
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 2: In combat.

1693
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 3: Bro. I tell you the other day, I was sitting

1694
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 3: in my couch. I was like just flipping things on

1695
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 3: the TV.

1696
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: And I look over and I see my wife and

1697
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: my daughter had a and I'm not even doing a

1698
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: bit here, Like for five minutes, had a full conversation

1699
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: back and forth in Spanish.

1700
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 3: Like the whole way.

1701
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, Tuki, Spanish is getting she can

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01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: count to fifty in Spanish. She can't count to fifty

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01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 1: in English. I think she can count to like thirty

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01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: in English.

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01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dude, thes is gonna like as a proud dad,

1706
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 2: your I know your aunts will be whatever she wants

1707
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 2: to do, But like, what do you want to see

1708
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 2: her doing life, Luke.

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01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's early, but like nothing I did. Nothing

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01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,879
Speaker 1: I did. Like, I don't want to see her anywhere

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01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,759
Speaker 1: near martial arts. I don't want to see her anywhere

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01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: near the military. I don't think I'll just be honest,

1713
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 1: I think that there are way too many predators and

1714
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 1: weirdos in martial arts. I think it's often a very

1715
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: unsafe place for women. I was in the Marine Corps.

1716
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: I can tell you that during my time in the

1717
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: Marine Corps, it was a very unsafe place for women.

1718
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 1: I don't really want her anywhere near either of.

1719
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 2: Okay, but if she becomes a pop star, that can

1720
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 2: become an unsafe place too. Look.

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01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's there's plenty of other things she

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01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: could do that could also be awful or worse.

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01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 3: But all I want for her is to be happy

1724
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 3: and healthy. That's it.

1725
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: She can do whatever else she wants.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Let's go to topic number three. This has

1727
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 2: more wrinkles than I expected upon hearing Darren till has

1728
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 2: asked the UFC for his release and he received it.

1729
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: His tweet quote says, this what's happening everyone, Me, Dana

1730
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 2: and Hunter are still cool as fuck. I asked UFC

1731
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 2: to remove me just to sort some other shit for

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01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: the foreseeable. They happily agreed to release me out of

1733
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 2: the contract, which I appreciate. I'm not going anywhere, got

1734
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 2: big plans to execute, and I'll be back. He then

1735
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 2: tweeted what you can see the the emojis of four

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01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 2: boxing gloves and four bags of money. So, Luke, when

1737
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 2: I saw that tweet, I'm like, is he going to

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01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 2: do a boxing match to make money? While going back

1739
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 2: to the drawing board in MMA and figuring some things out,

1740
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 2: but that doesn't seem to be the direction. Before I

1741
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 2: get your reaction, we have video directly from him of

1742
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: him explaining this choice. Let's hear from Darren till.

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01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 4: Some like injections I mean, and stuff like that, I

1744
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 4: want to like really take care of me and eas

1745
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 4: not my name ees. I was like, well, you know

1746
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 4: some of the stuff like like injecting me into me,

1747
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 4: am I gonna am I gonna past some of the

1748
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 4: tests and stuff like that, Like there's a lot of

1749
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 4: hay of those that got passed. I was like, I want,

1750
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 4: you know, maybe I stagey stuff like that.

1751
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 2: That was with brett O Kamoto of ESPN during their interview. Luke,

1752
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 2: is this is easy and cutting dry ass to say

1753
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 2: he's taking time away to exit the use side of

1754
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 2: the testing pool so that he can use banned substances

1755
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 2: to heal his knee and then come back stronger with

1756
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 2: the UFC. Is that what you're taking from.

1757
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 3: This seems that way?

1758
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you have a really clear and very

1759
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: easy choice to make, and the good news is it

1760
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: actually doesn't matter because it ends up in the same place.

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01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 3: So here here's what I mean.

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01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 1: So Darren is saying, I'm going to take time away

1763
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:08,759
Speaker 1: in this particular interview, I want to get better medical care. Okay,

1764
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: So you can look at that as a true statement

1765
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: that he has to leave the purview of Yousada to

1766
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: get actually good, full medical care. That's a bad look

1767
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: for them, right, Or you can say he's going to

1768
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: just use performance dancing drugs and he'll be right back.

1769
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: That is also a very bad look for you, Soada.

1770
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: In either way, it just shows you there's a certain

1771
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: level of restriction and control that is either easy to

1772
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 1: get around or is obstructing what could be clearer paths

1773
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 1: to better medical care. It doesn't really matter which way

1774
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 1: you go, you end up in the same place. So

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01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: I applaud him. And also, let's just put that aside

1776
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: for just a second, because I realized, like that's going

1777
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 1: to be the fourth part of the conversation given he

1778
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: said this, but BC, the guy was about one in

1779
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: five in his last six and let's just say it, dude,

1780
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: he looked bad against strict his duplicy. He looked bad.

1781
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: He looked bad. He looked like his game was going

1782
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,879
Speaker 1: in the other direction, even if his knee was fine,

1783
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever else you want to say about what

1784
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: that statement is. He told Breda Komoto he needed to

1785
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: take a break, he needed to not be in the UFC.

1786
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: He needed time to get his game right, to get

1787
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: his mind right, maybe get a couple tune ups in,

1788
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: and then come back to the UFC. I actually think,

1789
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 1: on just that level alone, it's a good idea to

1790
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: say nothing of the fact that he might need growth

1791
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: hormone to heal some kind of knee issue.

1792
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 2: Okay, But here's what's interesting about So he's thirty years old. Yes,

1793
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 2: losses in five of his last six, including four by stoppage.

1794
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,600
Speaker 2: The only one that wasn't was the strong performance I

1795
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 2: thought he gave in defeat against Robert Whitaker. Three losses

1796
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 2: in a row, two straight by submission to Brunson and dupless.

1797
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 2: But in this tweet, Luke, I don't. Okay, So the

1798
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 2: boxing gloves and the money bags tell you something potentially

1799
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: in terms of options he feels he has. But in

1800
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 2: an MMA sense, he basically says, I'll be back. I'm

1801
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. I don't get the feeling that he's

1802
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 2: gonna go fight elsewhere in MMA, And do you think

1803
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 2: there's potentially some level of agreement between him and USC,

1804
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 2: because he asked the UFC for his release, it appears

1805
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 2: they gave it to him. I don't think that's for

1806
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 2: him to go like fighting cage warriors or PFL or anything.

1807
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 2: I think it's for him to get healthy and come back.

1808
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 2: That's just my two cents in my take. I know

1809
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 2: he did sweet out those boxing gloves, but what are

1810
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 2: your expectations. Youre are that that he'll go elsewhere and

1811
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 2: fight and get better.

1812
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: Well again, it we'll have to see. He might just

1813
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 1: do the boxing matches and then you know, come back

1814
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 1: or something. It's really hard to say, or he doesn't

1815
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: come back at all, and this is the end, and

1816
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: that's that. I mean, it's I would be I would

1817
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 1: It would be unwise to, like, very clearly try to

1818
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: predict the future. But I think that even if he were,

1819
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: let's say, to take a couple of boxing matches in

1820
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: his time off, if he does those right and he

1821
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: works on his game the whole time, including his striking game,

1822
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: which is the forward and leading part of his game,

1823
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 1: but you know, just in general, be in the gym

1824
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 1: all the time training, you could focus it in certain

1825
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 1: directions as you needed to for whatever opportunities come your way.

1826
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 1: It's still what he needs to get his game in

1827
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: a place where he can use it to make money.

1828
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: It's still he needs. He did not need to be

1829
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: in the UFC at this moment. He needed to go

1830
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: do something else, switch gears, find something else.

1831
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 2: I'd agree with that. I guess I'm still caught up

1832
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 2: on the idea because even though he's lost five of six,

1833
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 2: he's only thirty years old. He can talk, he seems

1834
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 2: to still have some level of like star value that

1835
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 2: he carries an aura even though the defeats have been pumbling. Well,

1836
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if UFC is just gonna let that

1837
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 2: happen unless there's some level of understanding or agreement. Are

1838
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 2: they going to let him walk? I mean, would you

1839
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 2: did you think they were gonna cut him even with

1840
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 2: all those defeats right now? I thought they would keep

1841
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 2: him ultimately.

1842
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: I thought they would keep him as well. But in

1843
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: the end, it's not good for him. Like if you're listen,

1844
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: if you're winning and losing the UFC, that's tough, right,

1845
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 1: that's tough. But if your game is getting actively and

1846
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:56,600
Speaker 1: noticeably worse over time. It's time to call it, not

1847
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: a day, just time out. It's time to call time

1848
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: out again. Just on that level alone, I think it's

1849
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: a good call. Whether he uses this time effectively, either

1850
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: for injury, rehabilitation, or other opportunities in other combat sports,

1851
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 1: that's up to him. But but continuing, I'll just say this,

1852
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: continuing on the path that he was on was a

1853
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: path to nowhere. That that much I know for certain.

1854
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, uf UFC doesn't usually just let people go. It's weird.

1855
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens right here. Look, I've been told though,

1856
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 2: that my celebrity doppelganger is Darren Till. Look closely at me,

1857
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 2: do you agree?

1858
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: Uh? I mean Till if Till had done nothing but

1859
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:41,560
Speaker 1: eating Twinkies.

1860
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 2: For a year while I was trying to add to

1861
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 2: my growing what a my what's my word lineage? I mean,

1862
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,759
Speaker 2: you know you understand Luke already, my my Irish origin,

1863
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 2: my Scottish name, my adoption by the Welsh. The English.

1864
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 2: Despite a loud crowd you know, crowd pop that we

1865
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,560
Speaker 2: got at the Pod Live festival, the English don't claim me.

1866
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 2: But if I look to people like I could be

1867
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: Liverpudley and Luke, like I'm the next Mike Owens media

1868
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:11,759
Speaker 2: just walking, you know, scousing it out, Luke, I've touched

1869
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 2: all my bases there, you know.

1870
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 3: Do you know scouse slang?

1871
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 2: No?

1872
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 1: So if I said the word scram, do you know

1873
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: what scran means?

1874
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,440
Speaker 2: Uh, cocaine?

1875
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: No, scram means food, food.

1876
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay.

1877
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: There's actually a really awesome social media account called footy

1878
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 1: Scran and it just shows you something you can get

1879
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: at a soccer stadium or even a park and what

1880
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: it is and how much it costs. And dude, you

1881
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: should see the food they're serving these people in England.

1882
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: I mean just dog food, just dog food for like

1883
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 1: ten pounds. You cannot believe people are eating this shit,

1884
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 1: but they do.

1885
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 3: They do.

1886
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: All right, there we go. Look, do you want to

1887
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 2: go into dead wrong though, You want to take that plunge?

1888
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it.

1889
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

1890
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 2: There could be some painful els to be had. You

1891
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 2: are on a run of taking them, Luke, taking them, you.

1892
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 3: Know, straight to the straight to the face, you.

1893
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 2: Know, like, yeah, there we go. Okay, Uh, this is

1894
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 2: a segment that we offer you the chance to call

1895
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 2: us out. We're usually the one making fun of you

1896
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 2: and during fan subs. But Morning Combat at gmail dot

1897
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 2: com is the email address, the tunnel, and at the

1898
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 2: end of that tunnel is Mikey Mormal, our producer waiting.

1899
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 2: But as long as you have receipts and you come original,

1900
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 2: you're allowed to point out that's something we said, it's

1901
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 2: dead wrong. Ask Look, this is our chance to be

1902
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 2: self reflective, right.

1903
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 1: This is our chance to get this is our no,

1904
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: let's just be honest about it. This is our chance

1905
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 1: for the audience to roast us.

1906
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 3: That's really what this is.

1907
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 1: We end every week with the audience shitting on us,

1908
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 1: and I honestly think that's exactly what should happen Every Friday.

1909
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 2: I usually fight for more fan interaction in our show,

1910
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 2: you know, and you're like, I don't need to be

1911
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 2: that close to those weirdos.

1912
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. You

1913
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Speaker 1: don't vote for fan interaction. What you do is you

1914
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: befriend the homeless, and you're you're this guy. Hey, let's

1915
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 1: imagine we're roommates, right, we share a two bedroom apartment,

1916
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: We're twenty three years old, living together in the Lake

1917
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 1: City of New York.

1918
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 2: You yeah, you would douce me through a glass door.

1919
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: Just just doing skits and bits, skits and bits. But

1920
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 1: the one I want to make was you'd be the

1921
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 1: guy that would go on the street, you would talk

1922
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: to some homeless guy in the park and you wouldn't

1923
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 1: find him to the house and bring That's what you do,

1924
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: and that, to me is not being social. That to me,

1925
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 1: is just being weird.

1926
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 2: Homeless cats, I mean all all, all five of my

1927
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 2: animals are yes and rescues. All of them are rescue animals. Okay,

1928
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,600
Speaker 2: just nobody would give them any attention, Lukes, except for me.

1929
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: Okay, where'd you get Reggie Jackson?

1930
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 3: Where'd you get Reggie Jackson?

1931
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 2: In Shellon, Connecticut? At a show? This lady turned her

1932
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 2: house into a shelter. So we walked in there there's

1933
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: like twelve dogs running around and then there's a baby

1934
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 2: play pen in the middle with Reggie, another dog and

1935
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 2: three other kittens. And he looked like he needed to

1936
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 2: be rescued. And he jumped right into my arms when

1937
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 2: I bent over, Luke, and he claimed me. He claimed

1938
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 2: me as his person.

1939
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you know, as my wife and daughter

1940
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 1: would say, ten Lindo, yeah, yeah.

1941
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 2: And you know I'm his guy, and you know we

1942
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 2: have a very volatile relationship because he breaks all of

1943
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 2: my shit and has no remorse, like, like not even

1944
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 2: any level of remorse. But Luke, you know, at the

1945
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 2: end of the day, you know he picked me, so

1946
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 2: I gotta go the distance with him. You know, it's

1947
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 2: kind of like you choosing me for this show. I

1948
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 2: guess there we go, all right, Time to get dead wrong.

1949
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 2: I think this is from Paul. He says at approximately

1950
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 2: five twenty five of Monday's episode, BC referred to the

1951
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 2: guy who put the flex seal on the bottom of

1952
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 2: the boat Billy Mays end quote. Any casual TV watcher

1953
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 2: would know Bill Swift, who is seen in the Flex

1954
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:01,919
Speaker 2: Seal infomercial, is none other than commercial icon Phil Swift.

1955
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: Dude, I didn't know that shit, did Phil Swift?

1956
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 2: I have cocaine too? Or is that just all these

1957
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 2: uh cellar?

1958
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 1: I imagine all of these dudes have just died, you know,

1959
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: like David Carroty autoerotic asphyxiation somewhere in Thailand.

1960
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me look this up. I don't want to

1961
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 2: speak ill of the dead, Luke. After that, you know,

1962
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 2: after that Heath Ledger situation, right, Yeah.

1963
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 3: I mean people you say awful shit and then people

1964
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 3: write me, I.

1965
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 2: Don't think he's dead. No, I think Phil Swift's still going.

1966
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1967
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look, do you believe that though Billy Mays

1968
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 1: is dead, right, Billy?

1969
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, I think he like I think he

1970
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 2: liked to party or something. Look, I don't know, but

1971
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this. Do you believe when Phil Swift

1972
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 2: is taking a broken row boat and he's, you know,

1973
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 2: putting some black masking tape over and spraying some spray

1974
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 2: paint on it and no water gets in at all?

1975
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit on that one, you know, But.

1976
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get you flex seal for your birthday every

1977
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 2: single year for the rest of your life. Look, he'll

1978
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 2: never use it. No, Are you can at all? I'm

1979
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 2: I'm desperately not handy, are you at all?

1980
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 1: Uh? There's things I do pretty well, and then that's it.

1981
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: I can't do a lot of things.

1982
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: I do very little things well, Luke. Some would argue

1983
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 2: that even this thing that I think I do well,

1984
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 2: I really don't. Okay, I really don't. Just that's hilarious

1985
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 2: hanging on your shoulders there. Let's keep it going, this

1986
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 2: is a no name entry. You the you have the

1987
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 2: guts to tell us who you are. Here goes another

1988
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 2: attempt at a submission for Dead Wrong at one fifty

1989
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 2: six of episode four to eleven. Mike Well, they're calling

1990
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 2: out Mikey here. Mikey chimes in to mention that Luke

1991
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 2: is referencing at Stale Cracker as the TikTok chef from.

1992
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,759
Speaker 1: Yes, oh, he had that wrong. It's it's Ralph Baker

1993
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: right with.

1994
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 2: The affinity for Alec powder here now while Stale Cracker

1995
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 2: is a big TikTok chef, big time one from Louisiana

1996
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:56,679
Speaker 2: with a heavy accent. Luke was referencing at Ralph the Baker. Yeah,

1997
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 2: can you confirm or deny that Mikey is dead wrong?

1998
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: This guy Mike is Mikey is dead wrong. We talked

1999
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: about it actually after the show. Uh, he's talking about

2000
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: the guy who's like I got this crawl fish do.

2001
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that guy. I'm talking about the

2002
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 1: one who like puts like he makes a caso dip

2003
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: and like like uh like pork tacos and everything is

2004
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 1: hit it with that w sauce there, Nah, hit it

2005
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: with that garlic powd of nah?

2006
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 3: Get that Trinity cooking.

2007
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: Nah, that's Ralph the Baker's awesome.

2008
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 2: Okay, whoever sent this in ads? If Mikey is dead wrong,

2009
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 2: which he is, sit on that golic PoTA now, Mike.

2010
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: Now you gotta say nah, sit on that gallic powd

2011
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: of nah.

2012
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 2: Luke, who's your favorite Cajun? Is it Daniel Cormier or

2013
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 2: Dustin Poorier or the guy from the guy from what's

2014
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 2: the the Adam Sandler football movie?

2015
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 3: Luke, Billy Bouchet the water Boy?

2016
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the guy that wore the overalls and

2017
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 2: was like spinning his nickels all the time. That comedian

2018
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 2: that's in every Adam Sandler movie.

2019
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:57,600
Speaker 4: You know that?

2020
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 2: Guys?

2021
01:31:58,160 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: So I think I walked out of that movie.

2022
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 2: I'll give off.

2023
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 1: Come on, Adam Sandler movies are not that good.

2024
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 2: I don't know back then they were back then, I mean,

2025
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 2: Little Nicky is ridiculously bad, but the other ones are,

2026
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 2: you know? And Click, Luke, Click will make you cry

2027
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 2: if you think hard enough at the message that they're

2028
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 2: definitely won't, definitely working too much and putting your family off.

2029
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler's best performance is in the pt Anderson movie

2030
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: Punch Drunk Love Everything.

2031
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 2: You haven't seen that yet?

2032
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's his best or or was the one you

2033
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 1: liked the Saft Brothers.

2034
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Uncut Gems.

2035
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 1: He's he's he's extremely good in that one too.

2036
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he deserved a Best Oscar nomination.

2037
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 1: She did, he did, Yeah, he did in that one.

2038
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, our best best actor. You know what

2039
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying here. I say things all the time, jumbled.

2040
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 2: I got one more dead wrong and it's from Rob

2041
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 2: Rob Hudson, in fact, from Duval Luke Duval?

2042
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 1: What is that volcanic? Duval County, Georgia.

2043
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 2: Oh maybe maybe he's a big chicken guy. Uh today's episode.

2044
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 2: B C said in nineteen ninety four that Chris Weber

2045
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 2: went around the back and dunked on Barkley and the

2046
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 2: next game Barkley went for fifty six points. That would

2047
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 2: be Luke from their first round playoff series in ninety four.

2048
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 2: But this guy Rob is saying Weber went around the

2049
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 2: back in the regular season, and Nike used the clip

2050
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 2: in an ad campaign that season, but Barkley didn't light

2051
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 2: the Warriors up for fifty six until the playoffs, when

2052
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 2: they got swept by the Suns nineties NBA was Fire

2053
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 2: Iverson's the best pomp for pound all time. Love you guys,

2054
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 2: Go Jags. It's Rob Hudson from Duval Luke. I'll have

2055
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 2: to look that up. Obviously, my memory could be off there.

2056
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 2: That is the same season that happened. Do you remember

2057
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:41,639
Speaker 2: the playing question at Golden State on the fast break

2058
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,679
Speaker 2: where Chris Weber went around the back and then dunked

2059
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,640
Speaker 2: on Barkley who was too far under the hoop to

2060
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 2: really contest it, but like it was an embarrassing moment

2061
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 2: and that's what fuel Barkley to come back and drop

2062
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 2: fifty six on them on their ass.

2063
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 3: I don't remember that like you do.

2064
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 2: All right, Sorry, I guess I'm alone in this nineties NBA, Luke.

2065
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 2: I got some people who are intelligently dming me and

2066
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 2: saying you're wrong. BC basketball. NBA basketball today is better

2067
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 2: than it's ever been, and you're romantically, nostalgically stuck on

2068
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 2: the idea of the nineties with some type books.

2069
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 1: So there is a do you know who Ben Thompson is? No, no, no, no,

2070
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 1: he's a He's a writer who opened up this site

2071
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 1: years ago called Stratechory, which is you know. He talks

2072
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: about the intersection between tech and the world around us,

2073
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: and he's a huge NBA fan. He's actually been on

2074
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: Bill Simmons's podcast a couple of times, and he has

2075
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 1: a peace up from February twenty eighth called what the

2076
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 1: NBA can learn from Formula One. I didn't realize this.

2077
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: The NBA's product is suffering. Their ratings are down massively,

2078
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 1: their revenues are down massively.

2079
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 3: They are apparently the.

2080
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 1: Biggest issue is not that the NBA is better that's

2081
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 1: ever been. You could actually argue from a business perspective,

2082
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,719
Speaker 1: it's actually all one say in trouble, but its future

2083
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 1: extremely uncertain. Basketball is growing much less popular in this

2084
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: country than it once was, so I'd be very careful

2085
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,640
Speaker 1: not touting the magic of the NBA right now.

2086
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 2: It was a guy named Keith I think his name

2087
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 2: is Keith Kim on Twitter. He did come at me,

2088
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 2: correct Luke, and he's basically saying that my love for

2089
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 2: the pick and roll thinks stocked in him alone. Every

2090
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 2: team's running that. Now, they're running the spread pick and roll,

2091
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 2: and they're running it better. And he's basically said as

2092
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 2: a as a drawing point against the nineties NBA game

2093
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:31,640
Speaker 2: was that it was all isolation and post up and

2094
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's a lot of that.

2095
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 3: It was a lot of that.

2096
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, isolation, post up, pick and roll. Yeah, that's what

2097
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 2: it was, Luke.

2098
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 1: When you were at when we were kids at the

2099
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: park Man, everyone wanted to be the one posting up

2100
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 1: to get the you know, dribble, dribble back turn and

2101
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, shooting everything that you wanted to.

2102
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 3: Be that kid, you know.

2103
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 2: Well, I think the game within the game that I

2104
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 2: loved was when you double the post right, and then

2105
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 2: you had people that like Anthony Mason, who was incredibly

2106
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 2: He was like a point guard in the post and

2107
01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 2: you could find the open three point shooters. But look,

2108
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 2: the everpointer became a part time weapon. That My issue

2109
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 2: with the game today is that because of the illegal

2110
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 2: defense changes and opening the lane purposely to allow smaller,

2111
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 2: quicker players and taking away the hand check in some

2112
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 2: of those files and allowing speed to become the dominant factor,

2113
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 2: why to raise scoring. You mix that with the fact

2114
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 2: that every single player has to be able to hit

2115
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 2: threes to be on the floor. So the amount of

2116
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 2: threes taken on the regular and I'm not saying it's

2117
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 2: not a skill to develop Steph Curry like range from

2118
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 2: thirty five fem me. It's ridiculous, but it's lost to

2119
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 2: me a purity element of the game because everybody in

2120
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 2: this modern day on the floor is a ten out

2121
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 2: of ten athlete, so the court's almost too small, and

2122
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:45,640
Speaker 2: it's just like it's a completely different game. I'm not

2123
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:48,560
Speaker 2: saying there's no defense adjustments, play calling like all that

2124
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 2: stuff is still brilliant. I still watch the finals in

2125
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 2: some of the playoffs, and it's it's good. It's just

2126
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 2: not as good. Maybe I prefer the more grinding, slow down,

2127
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Speaker 2: team oriented style than the running gun three pointers you know,

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01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 2: and dunks. But look, it's almost as if like the

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01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 2: modern athlete is is getting too good for the setup

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Speaker 2: in the game.

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01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 3: The game is Yeah, I see what you're saying. The

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01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 3: game to me is just uh.

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Speaker 1: Also it's not just the game, b see, like with

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01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: how stars move so often. Yeah, you know, like you

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01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 1: can like this season, you know what I mean. There

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01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: used to be like these institutions, you know that they

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01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 1: would hold sway for long periods of time of continuity,

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01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 1: and when someone left it.

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01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 3: Was a huge deal.

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01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's now it's a huge deal for like twenty

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01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 1: four hours.

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01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's have and have nots. There's basically only like

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01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 2: four teams you think can actually win the finals. But

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01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 2: you know, I don't even like I don't like the

2145
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:46,759
Speaker 2: idea of mid season tournaments. I don't like the idea

2146
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 2: of so many Basically every team has a chance to

2147
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:51,719
Speaker 2: make the playoffs through this, through all these new changes,

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01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I don't know. Look, it's

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01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 2: just that this is the area I had. Like we

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01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 2: always say it, there's gonna be lines. Culturally, we're forty

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01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 2: four years old. Now there's gonna be things that are

2152
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 2: just not for us, Luke, Right, music, entertainment, whatever, The

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01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 2: modern games just not for me when I play with

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01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 2: the old guys once a week.

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01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 1: Also, dude, I don't can roll post of basketball. I've

2156
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 1: said this before. I don't have any idea how to

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01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 1: dress anymore. I just wear MK merch because I don't

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01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: really know what to do. I don't know what serious question.

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01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 1: How is a forty three year old man supposed to dress?

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01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 2: Well? I feel like I have a better handle on that.

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01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 2: I don't exercise that handle a lot, Luke, because it's more.

2162
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 2: It's just more casual now though, like Luke, my kids

2163
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 2: wears sweatpants to school every single day. They've never worn

2164
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 2: a pair of jeans. Never. Never.

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Speaker 1: My first high school in Georgia, so I went to

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Speaker 1: Valdosta High for my first two years. That's where my

2167
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 1: brother graduated from that school, even it's a public high school,

2168
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 1: but that school had a rule you could only wear pants.

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01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: You could only wear pants.

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Speaker 2: I mean even if you look at like video from

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01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 2: the fifties, the late seventies, like regular middle of the

2172
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 2: road people were wearing suits, you know what I'm saying,

2173
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 2: Like seriously, like it was just a different same thing

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01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 2: with television broadcasting code. How you you know you and

2175
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 2: I don't wear a tie. Most of the time people

2176
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 2: are dressing casual. You ever see brett O Komodo interview,

2177
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 2: somebody look look like you just got back from the gym.

2178
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:08,880
Speaker 2: You know. But he's cooler than us, so he can

2179
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 2: pull it off, right, because apparently he.

2180
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 1: Came much cooler. I mean, he's cooler than us, but

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01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 1: he ain't much cooler than us.

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01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 3: Let's be real, Well, I don't.

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01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 2: Know, look, you know, see you you know I used

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01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:19,719
Speaker 2: to hang out with that guy. You know, I vouched

2185
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 2: for him, you know, Oh, I like, I'm not I'm not.

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01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about about Brett in any capacity, but

2187
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: the idea that he's the king of the prom you know,

2188
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 1: maybe maybe better than us for sure.

2189
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 2: But can we get you wanted to reconsider? That's really

2190
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 2: my question.

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01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 1: I don't care truly, all right.

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01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 2: Morning combat at gmail dot com if you want to fan,

2193
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 2: sub or dead wrong on us. You know, we're not perfect.

2194
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 2: We get things wrong. We say it when we're wrong, Luke,

2195
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 2: and we apologize for the most part. Sometimes we get

2196
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 2: all p proud, prideful, and you know, and then Luke's

2197
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 2: like that guy shouldn't have a weapon, and then people

2198
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 2: are bringing politics into it. It's just fighting and dick jokes. Okay, guys,

2199
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's music recommendations, fighting in

2200
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 2: dick jokes. That's the show.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's the show.

2202
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 2: And complaining about aging because we can't you know. But no, Luke,

2203
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 2: this is the time. Should I make a public declaration here,

2204
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:10,640
Speaker 2: follow us below on socials and subscribe. I got to

2205
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 2: turn this around. I got to get that liver in

2206
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 2: working order again.

2207
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, less friends.

2208
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:18,640
Speaker 2: Because Luke well, I know I need to see my

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01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 2: friends more. I just need to not eat what I

2210
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 2: what I tend to eat, because Luke, I got a

2211
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 2: lot more to give to you, to my family, to

2212
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,599
Speaker 2: this audience, to this camera right here. Luke and I'm

2213
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:33,560
Speaker 2: gonna go with the distance. Look, they're gonna have to

2214
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 2: physically remove me from the microphone in my mid eighties.

2215
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 2: It's going to get to that point.

2216
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 1: You're not going to make it to mid eighties.

2217
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm going the distance. I'm going. I'm not going for speed,

2218
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 2: but I am I'm gonna Hey, Chewi, you know like

2219
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 2: you know, Look, I'm going to be the last one standing.

2220
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 3: We can call it a day. We can call it

2221
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 3: a day.

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01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 2: I got that.

2223
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 3: Even Mikey wants to call it a day.

2224
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:56,640
Speaker 2: I got that in me, you know what I mean?

2225
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Mikey, am I getting the the

2226
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 2: Apollo the Apollo hook. Yeah, yeah, the Apollo hook there.

2227
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 2: Thank you to Mikey Mormel on the ones and twos.

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01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 2: Remember folks, Saturday evening. First of all, you can watch

2229
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 2: Luke and BC calling the preliminary action Showtime Boxing Countdown

2230
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:18,080
Speaker 2: begins at six thirty pm Eastern on the Showtime Sports

2231
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 2: YouTube channel. Of course, Tomorrow Saturday night, nine pm Eastern

2232
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 2: is the Showtime Championship Boxing tripleheader. You can get thirty

2233
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 2: days free now at Showtime dot com to try it out.

2234
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 2: But later on in the evening, after the conclusion of

2235
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 2: UFC two eighty five, Luke Thomas and Brian Campbell Yes

2236
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 2: hitting you up on the Morning Combat instant reaction from

2237
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 2: the studio. From the studio, It's gonna be a good time.

2238
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 2: Don't miss it. Catch up on all the great content

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01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 2: you have missed by going to YouTube dot com slash

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Speaker 2: Morning Combat, pregame previews, room service diaries, interviews with the

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01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 2: biggest names f around In there. You may be surprised

2242
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 2: if you have any money left from Luke's live chat yesterday,

2243
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 2: then you know, take your wife out or something, you

2244
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 2: know what I mean, send a card to your mom,

2245
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 2: something like that. All right there you go. Look, do

2246
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 2: you have any final message to the people about how

2247
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 2: they can be better?

2248
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:13,480
Speaker 1: You can listen. You can stop listening rather to Brian's

2249
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:17,720
Speaker 1: ridiculous entreaties about and complaints rather about my live chat,

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Speaker 1: and then see us tomorrow post UFC two eighty five

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01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 1: right here, YouTube dot com Slash Morning Combat. We're gonna

2252
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 1: have instant reaction to the return of John Jones in studio.

2253
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: Be there.

2254
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 2: This is a big one, John Jones Serial Gain. It

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Speaker 2: goes down Saturday. Don't let's bang Tooey for Mike Moremile,

2256
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas and myself take care of it. Take care

2257
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 2: of it up here, all right. Put yourself first in

2258
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:50,879
Speaker 2: the right for the right reasons. All right, don't be selfish.

2259
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 2: Wait did that make any sense?