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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast. Caitlin and I

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Speaker 2: are back together. We had a little of sabbatical last week.

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Speaker 2: Hope you didn't mind.

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Speaker 1: You were on school holiday.

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Speaker 2: Where were you?

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Speaker 1: I was a tennis camp with my family.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's allowed. I was just chilling.

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Speaker 1: Actually, that's you deserve that.

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Speaker 2: I thank you. I do deserve that from time to time.

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Speaker 2: But we are back. We are back in regards to

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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. Let's talk about the last

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks. But more importantly, there was a lot

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Speaker 2: of very interesting results this past week, including before we

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Speaker 2: get to anything, the fact that Germany took an entire

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Speaker 2: day off at a tournament for Easter.

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Speaker 1: Didn't realize Germany was that Catholic. Well, apparently to be

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Speaker 1: off for a good Friday, because I was like, this

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Speaker 1: is your prime time, this is SAMI finals day. They

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Speaker 1: just skipped d Do they always do that? District? I

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Speaker 1: always sky.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember Easter moves around, right, Great, you don't

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Speaker 2: know remember the whole Biden situation where they had trans

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Speaker 2: Visibility Day and it was on the same day as

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Speaker 2: Easter Sunday, and what the people in the right, lost

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Speaker 2: their money. I lost their mind and their money. Oh

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Speaker 2: I'm losing my money right now looking at the stock market.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they all lost their mind because they're like,

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Speaker 2: how can Biden do that? It's like, well, Easter, he

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Speaker 2: comes around and changes all the time, and it just

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Speaker 2: so happens. It was on trans visibility Day, so he

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Speaker 2: honored both, which is what the president is supposed to do.

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Speaker 1: The normal presidents do that. I was shocked because it

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Speaker 1: was a Monday final, which meant that we did not

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Speaker 1: know the results of Schuecoat until this morning on Monday.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, like, I mean listen, I'm all

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Speaker 2: for it, like celebrating Easter. And I had an amazing

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Speaker 2: event last night that I went to. It was called

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Speaker 2: later Sata. I had my Jewish friends here in New

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Speaker 2: was great. And like everyone like, I'm all for people

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Speaker 2: celebrating way they want to celebrate. You're a party gal,

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Speaker 2: But to take a whole day off a tennis tournament for.

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Speaker 1: Well, one thing. I was thinking to myself when I

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Speaker 1: was watching Carlos Alcaraz and Holgaruna play in Barcelona in

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Speaker 1: their final, which we will talk about on Sunday. On

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Speaker 1: Sunday is you know I've lived in Spain. I love Spain.

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Speaker 1: They are very very progressive there, but they're also a

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Speaker 1: majority Catholic country. And I played, Oh, this is interesting

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Speaker 1: that they are playing on Easter. They played on good Friday.

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Speaker 1: And Germany, which is not I just think of Germany

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Speaker 1: as like very secular.

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Speaker 2: Apparently from our very German cohort, Trya Pekovich, Apparently that

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Speaker 2: area Stuttgart is quite Catholic and conservatives.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that makes more sense because that's why I

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Speaker 1: don't think they were shutting down stuff in Berlin on Friday.

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Speaker 2: No, but I just don't even remember that happened. I

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Speaker 2: don't think i've ever heard that in a tennis event.

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Speaker 2: And I played a long time, and I played over Easter.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked to see no tennis on my TV

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Speaker 2: And I was like, did it rain? And I was like, wait,

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Speaker 2: it's indoors.

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Speaker 1: Great, it's indoors. I was happy to have a little

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Speaker 1: extra tennis on Monday morning from Stutgart. A final. Usually

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Speaker 1: you just see the beginning rounds of a tournament shall

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Speaker 1: we start with Stugart as a result, and Sugar, let's.

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Speaker 2: Get to it. Let's get let's get to and then

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Speaker 2: we're going to get to some really sort of funny

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Speaker 2: things that happened also in the tennis world this past

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Speaker 2: week or so. But Elena Alona Osta Penco, like when

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Speaker 2: she's on, forget it seriously, like she's that type of

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Speaker 2: tennis that she plays. But when she's on and she's

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Speaker 2: confident and especially indoors, okay. And also this court suits

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Speaker 2: It's not great for footing. Like, you know, even even

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Speaker 2: they're kind of slipping a little bit. They don't really

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Speaker 2: In particular, it's pretty well. I've played on them both.

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Speaker 2: I did not play on Stuttgart's hard court. It was

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Speaker 1: But now that you say that, Sugart has been the

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Speaker 1: scene to some horrific, horrific injuries actually on the women's tour.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking actually of a friend after a Packvich I

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Speaker 2: I think what it is is is when you do

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Speaker 2: they're getting warded all the time, getting packed down all

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Speaker 2: So they're a perfect clay court. So when the ball

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Speaker 2: like it's not really the same anyway. Having said that,

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Speaker 2: Ostapenko's game lends itself really well to that because she

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Speaker 2: and it's not as easy. Like if Eager was ever

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Speaker 2: But if there was a clay court for her to not.

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Speaker 2: It would be this wise, And so I think that's

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Speaker 2: why it wasn't that big of a shot that Eager

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Speaker 2: comes to players like Eger, when it comes to players

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Speaker 2: like Coco. The serve is so bloody important, and Eager

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Speaker 2: It's that kickserve that goes right into Ostapenko's best shot

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Speaker 1: So here's a question that we got into it a

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Speaker 1: a lot on the is Anaesthesia from the grounds pass podcast,

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Speaker 1: but it looked like Ego went out there and was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, it's it's always going to be a matchup.

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Speaker 2: It's always going to be how someone plays, you know,

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Speaker 2: whether it be myself. In my playing days, you would

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Speaker 2: just be like, I have their number, I know exactly

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Speaker 2: so there's that sense of comfort level when you walk

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Speaker 2: that's a good feeling, right, So Ostapenko knows that she

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Speaker 2: is going to take advantage of the second serves. That's

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Speaker 2: I have coached against her a bunch of times. She

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Speaker 2: is a play that you go, Mmm, what's her strengths

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Speaker 2: like the forehand cross call, there's no question about that.

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Speaker 2: But then she can pop one down the line and

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Speaker 2: you're like, Jesus, where does that come from? And it

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Speaker 2: the unpredictability of how she plays is actually such a

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if she thinks she knows where

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Speaker 2: she's going with it.

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Speaker 1: Like I like watching her because she's a chaos. She's

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Speaker 1: So the delusional part of her ballroom dancing career with

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Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, like one of the things that

432
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Speaker 1: I've hand really endearing about Arena Cblca she's so confident,

433
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 1: she's so tough, valkyrie and all this stuff, except sometimes

434
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,879
Speaker 1: she's not and she's scared and it's a you know,

435
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,119
Speaker 1: emotional But again, I think that's part of the inherent

436
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,679
Speaker 1: drama of watching her and being her fan that I

437
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 1: kind of like. But it seemed like that was a

438
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 1: play today.

439
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,159
Speaker 2: One thing I am getting a little bit tired of

440
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 2: with Arena and listen, we all love the histrionics and

441
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 2: the crazy and the speeches, but I'm really tired of

442
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 2: her going after her team when she loses with Suckasm,

443
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:23,680
Speaker 2: I'm over it.

444
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 1: She loses, that's funny.

445
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,560
Speaker 2: It's just like at that point, at this point, it's like,

446
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,479
Speaker 2: all right, stop telling your team, hey, guys, great job today.

447
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's just every time it's gotten, it's gotten stale.

448
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 2: So we gotta Arena, we got it up that you

449
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 2: just got to thank your team or not and just

450
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 2: stop giving them ship because it's so passive, aggressive and

451
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 2: it's a little annoying.

452
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 1: It's not funny.

453
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 2: It's just not changing. And then she tries to laugh

454
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,160
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, oh no, it's not funny. You've given

455
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 2: guys ship.

456
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Also, they're your pete employees like, are they gonna.

457
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're not gonna say yeah.

458
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 1: They can't put a mental finger up. It's like to

459
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: see them doing. I like to see them. So you

460
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 1: mention Runa and Ochras, should we get to that match?

461
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 2: Yes, let's get to that Barcelona.

462
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 1: Wow.

463
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 2: That was you know, it was interesting because we we

464
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 2: sort of talked about a bunch of years ago that

465
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 2: Runa sinner al Chirez, we're going to be the next

466
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: big three, right totally that that was what everyone talked about,

467
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 2: Oh this is the next big three. Runa, who was

468
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 2: in the top fat he had that amazing couple of

469
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: weeks being Jocko blah blah blah. Yep, we didn't even

470
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 2: write down Jocovic. We got to get to that at

471
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 2: one stage. But let me just say, Runa reminds me

472
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 2: so much of our Charaz. When they played earlier on

473
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: I was like, oh God, these guys are going to

474
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: go at it for years because they are very similar

475
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: with the way they play, very unbelievably athletic. That both

476
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: of them are so quick. They don't have massive serves,

477
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,239
Speaker 2: but they have great serves. They like to come in,

478
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 2: they like to hit that little slidy, little touch fourhand

479
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: volley like there was a volley today, there was a

480
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: There was a point yesterday that Runa played. I think

481
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 2: it was four all or five all in the first set,

482
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: thirty all, and he served and volleyed and he hit

483
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 2: it unbelievable, little touch fourhand bolly, which you know hows

484
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 2: to be perfect yence outcres because he's going to run

485
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 2: it down. But when he hit that, I'm like, man,

486
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 2: that was so gutsy of him to do that. And

487
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 2: then to see him he was the more disciplined. And

488
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 2: this is the difference because Runa was it. I wouldn't

489
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Speaker 2: say he wasn't disciplined before, maybe because he was young,

490
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 2: but also I think technically he struggled a little. On

491
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 2: the forehand, he was a little bit this in way.

492
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 2: In this way, I think he's starting to really come

493
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 2: into his own. He's had the same guy coaching him

494
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: now for years. I think he had too many voices

495
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: in his head. He had this coach and that coach,

496
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: and he's had that same guy.

497
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Speaker 1: And that was his childhood coach. Then he returned to

498
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: and I think that can't new what he shows. He's

499
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: it looks like he's getting the same consistent messaging, which

500
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Speaker 1: for him and I kind of like this about him,

501
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: like he's kind of been a punk in the past,

502
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: but he sort of owns it in a.

503
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 2: Way that I've once said famously on this podcast. And

504
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: sometimes he's got a punchable face because he did act

505
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 2: like a douchebag three or four years ago.

506
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Speaker 1: And way to go, hul Garuna, for he hasn't been.

507
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: Chew it's so much he's he's you know on the court.

508
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: I mean what he he's display today, particularly in the

509
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: first look second set, there's no question in my mind

510
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: that Alcrez was absolutely hampered with that right quad sorry

511
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: groin area, hip flexa. You could tell, particularly on his

512
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 2: serve that he was struggling with and look, Alcrez is

513
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: not a bullshitter. He's not gonna be like, oh my

514
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 2: leg hurts because I lost the first out. He's the

515
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: type of guy that would love the challenge of playing

516
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: in Barcelona winning a match in three sets, yep. So

517
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: he was definitely hampered, but the first set he wasn't.

518
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 2: And that was a difference that Holgar Runa was way

519
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 2: more disciplined, particularly in the tiebreak. I mean, alcre has

520
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: tried to hit that back end drop shot like at

521
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 2: three to two up on the MIDI break, and it

522
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: was a terrible shot, Like there were just choices and

523
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: his forehand goes off.

524
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: His foe hand. He missed some of those five feet.

525
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,239
Speaker 1: Just basic shit, basic shit. And I think that's sort of,

526
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that's so endearing I

527
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: think about, Oh God, I loves which everyone loves it.

528
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he moves feathery late like Federer. He's got

529
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: the you know, battle intensity of Nadal, he's got the

530
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 1: flexibility of you know, like he really does have all

531
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: the tools. But the one thing he's missing, and this

532
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: he could really learn from Djokovic, is the mental fortitude

533
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: and the ability to stay disciplined and stay in because

534
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: he certainly does not have that, and it doesn't show

535
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: in a match because he's so good. Well look, he's

536
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: so fun. But in a match like this where it

537
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: actually comes down to a tie break and a few

538
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: points and a few choices, he's taking mental vacations. He's

539
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: like doing dumb shit, which I kind of again sort

540
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: of like about it about him because it makes when

541
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: he is able to keep it together almost all the

542
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: much better but you kind of forget, like, oh, this

543
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: is actually his big hurdle. It's not physical, it's not

544
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, creative, it's actually he's just you know, spacely

545
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: too creative.

546
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: He's got too many shots, yes, and that's just making

547
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 2: dumb noises. Sometimes did better than him in the final yesterday.

548
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: He was more disciplined fresh line, and you know he

549
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: was rewarded for it. And for me, I'm super happy

550
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: about it because I absolutely you know how I feel

551
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: about Carlos. I love this guy so much. He is

552
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: so good for the game. He's very nicest kid you

553
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: could ever meet in your tire life. And when I say,

554
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: I've not met a nicer young man, he is nice

555
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: to every single person.

556
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: Stuff I did got fun gossip, Oh good, mcgive me

557
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: so apparently the ladies really love Carlos. Yeah, and he's

558
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: gotten himself into some hot water among some prominent Spanish

559
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: business owners because of his prowess. Prowess unless then makes

560
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: me love him anymore because he's twenty years of age

561
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: and let him have fun. Yeah, he's got the world.

562
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 2: Doesn't need to be tied down at this point in

563
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: he's life.

564
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: No, he certainly doesn't.

565
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 2: And I'm happy about it, but it.

566
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: Is really funny just because you're like, oh, yeah, he's

567
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: a twenty year old, sort of cultish young talent. But yeah,

568
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: I can imagine Holgar Muna walking into bunk Sabadel Stadium

569
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: in Barcelona, Spain, basically the closest thing you get to

570
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: a home turf. Yeah, for Carlos Alcharz.

571
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because Nadal. They showed Nadal winning that

572
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: tournament twelve times, and I was like, fucking hell. First

573
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: of all, what And then I thought the difference with

574
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: Carlos and Rafa, because you know, everyone wants to compare

575
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: these two Spanish greats. You know, Carlos is are great.

576
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 2: I mean, what he's achieved in his career is phenomenal. Yeah, sure,

577
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: but like Raff would never pick the shots that Ruff

578
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: that Carlos does. You know, even he had an opportunity

579
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: to actually break back in the maybe it's in the

580
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: tie break, and he came running in and he just

581
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: hit he chose a shot that you know, I hate

582
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 2: coming in on the forehand cross court. He hit an

583
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 2: inside in fourhand in a huge point and ran in

584
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: and got pasted. And everyone's like, what a shot from actually,

585
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, actually, the decision looking easiest shot to hit

586
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: in tennis as a running forehand cross court, so he like,

587
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: those are mental decisions that someone like Ruffa wouldn't do,

588
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 2: which is why Ruffa could win the French Open fourteen

589
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: times because his discipline was through the roof. But anyway,

590
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: I'm happy about Runa winning because it adds that little

591
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: extra spice of you. How about the French Open because

592
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: Carlos is by father favorite, So why can't Runa? Why

593
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: can't Verev? We know Sverev will have a hard time

594
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: because he chokes when it comes to the finals.

595
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: But he didn't choke yesterday. But yes, he did not choke.

596
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: To say, but again, he's won that tournament now three

597
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: times in a row. You feel comfortable and unique?

598
00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: Is this?

599
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: For him to lose to Ben Shelton on clay? That

600
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 2: should never happen, correct, Okay, I don't care what you

601
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: think about no banns game. You should not lose that match,

602
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: and he showed why he's the better player on clay.

603
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: But I think Severev and Runa are saying to everyone

604
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: just hold the phone a little bit. Carlos is not

605
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: the overwhelming favorite at the French. So if you want

606
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: to put a little money on those two players, you

607
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: should because they're probably well outside the favorite betting and

608
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: I think that there's an opportunity there for someone to

609
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: come in and say, Okay, maybe it's my turn this year.

610
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: Just like we talked about Eger and like, you know,

611
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: let's get the worried Index. I am the only person

612
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: I think who cares about Stephano's teeth buss. But I'm

613
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: worried about him because he put out with the back injury.

614
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: And I love him and he's been in years past

615
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: a pretty solid performer on clay. He's won Monta Carlo,

616
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: he's gotten to the frontch Open finals. I want him

617
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: to get better because I like watching his beautiful one

618
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: hit of backhand and all of his shenanigans. But a

619
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: player that I think you're gonna actually feel a little

620
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: bit more excited about talking about for the Worry Index

621
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: is Novak Djokovic.

622
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's going on.

623
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: You know, we cannot overemphasize this is the greatest player

624
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: of all time. He's won more than anyone else, but

625
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: he is not getting younger, and at some point when

626
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: you start getting the scar tissue, which is what I

627
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: was saying, that pluck on your brain. You have lost

628
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: the confidence to win matches. Even I don't care how

629
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: great you are as a player. When you're not winning matches,

630
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: it is not easy anymore, and everybody starts to think

631
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: you're vulnerable. You're making you're making errors that you didn't

632
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: make before that you are not the discipline player that

633
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: you used to be, and at some point you do.

634
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: You're getting older and your legs aren't quite there. You're

635
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: missing a shot because you're pulling the trigger too early,

636
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: or you just don't have the discipline. And I just

637
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: feel like he has won one tournament, one tournament and

638
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: a year and what four months, five months going into

639
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: five months. One tournament that was the Olympics, and he

640
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: did it over best of three sets, which I can

641
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: say that I think that was the best tennis I've

642
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: ever seen him play. But if it was best of five,

643
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: would he have won that Olympics? I don't know. I

644
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: don't think so. I mean because I actually mentioned that

645
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: to Carlos when I saw him two weeks later. I said, oh,

646
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: you know, bad luck, maybe in five sets you win.

647
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, I feel like two, you know, and

648
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, because he feels like you can

649
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: grind those matches out against someone like Novak and best

650
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: of five.

651
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: But which is ironic because what I think has helped

652
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: Novak Djokovic so much in his career is the quantity

653
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: of five set matches, and we've seen him vulnerable in

654
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: three set matches, and the irony now that that's hopefully

655
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: playing into his favor, although let's see, I mean he's

656
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: been with neither five set tournaments nor three set tournaments.

657
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: He's been when they had tournament outside of the Olympics,

658
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: which again is a staggering cool achievement, which obviously he

659
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: was very focused on and I know a lot of

660
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: his fans were like happy because that completes the trophy case.

661
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: But it is a little bit of a question mark

662
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: because usually, I think at this time of the year,

663
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: we're used to, even in years where he doesn't start well,

664
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: seeing him be a viable contender. And I think we.

665
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: Felt that last year too. Remembers happening last year and

666
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: we were like, oh, well, he'll turn up at the

667
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: French and he'll do well.

668
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: He'll turn up.

669
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Speaker 2: He did it, and then of course he you know,

670
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: the Olympics was I think it was just meant to be.

671
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: I just do. I think there was a calm a

672
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: thing there and it was meant to be. And that

673
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: Raffle wasn't there at the French You know, he was

674
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: there at the Olympics, but he wasn't the player that

675
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: we know he is, and it just there was something

676
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: serendipitous about it was his time, right, But everything else

677
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: since then, I don't know. I don't know, And I'm

678
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: going to go on the record, and I think I

679
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: think he might. I think we might. We've seen the

680
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: best of no that Choko. It's I think he might

681
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: surprise us with one random tournament win before he retires.

682
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 2: But I think that we might not see him next year. Okay,

683
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: Because I don't care who you are. When you're that great,

684
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: losing sucks, yeah, And I don't care how much discipline

685
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: you have to want to be better. Losing sucks. And

686
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: when you're used to winning everything, losing sucks. And so

687
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: you start to it starts to really affect you and

688
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: your personal life and you and yourself everything, And it's like,

689
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: why do I want to keep dragging myself away from

690
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: my kids who are getting older. And I've told you

691
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: this that the US Open two years ago, it was

692
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: the first time I interviewed him before he went on

693
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: the court, and I thought, huh, he doesn't sound overly

694
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: pumped about going out to this match. It was the

695
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: first time.

696
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: So at where I was shipping the.

697
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, you know, how do you get up?

698
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: I think I asked him along the lines of something like,

699
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: how do you get up for these You know, what

700
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: is it about Arthur ash at night or getting up

701
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: for these matches and putting yourself through this kind of thing?

702
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: And he was like, yeah, sometimes I wonder myself and

703
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: I was It was something along those sides. It wasn't

704
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: that verbata, But I remember in my brain going, huh,

705
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: that's the first time I've ever heard him be a

706
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: little bit sort of like negative and over going on

707
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: the court. It was weird. And since then he has

708
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: not done well. So I'm just I just think that

709
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: at some point it's hard to keep digging yourself out

710
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: and keep pretending that you're still this great when you're

711
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: not having the results, and you know, having Andy maybe

712
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: was trying to, I don't know, get a little spark

713
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: dying or get a little of Andy's sort of ideas

714
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: to make him better. But I just think at some

715
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: point we all get old.

716
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: Well, as you were talking about Novak Djokovic and losing,

717
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: sucking and not wanting to go out there after, you know,

718
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: a time of feeling like you know, you're not who you.

719
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: Used to be.

720
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about this is I think Andy fought

721
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: until the bitter end. He did, he didn't, he didn't

722
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: go out on top.

723
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also Caitlin, Andy was great, but he wasn't Novak.

724
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: No like and and Andy had gone through his ups

725
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: and downs. And Andy loved and he loves tennis.

726
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: He loves the I think he loves the grist, whereas

727
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: I think the difference might be I think Novak loves

728
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: the battle. But I think ultimately he loves prevailing over

729
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: every type of obstacle, even those he makes himself.

730
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, happen, I just I mean, listen. I think Wimbledon

731
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: will tell the story.

732
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think wimbled the French player. The French feels

733
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: like it's not necessarily an indicator, but I think is

734
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: the indicator.

735
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: Now. Interestingly enough, Sinner will be back and we'll see

736
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: sin in Rome, so we'll see what Janick Sinner has

737
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: been up to in his three months.

738
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about. These are the storylines

739
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: that we've needed and been missing. I love it.

740
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: And while we're on the subject of Sinner, there was

741
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: an interesting tweet that John Watline put out and highlight

742
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: of the fact that the Itia is now having the

743
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: urine sample people that follow you off the court watch

744
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: you in the showers, and I'm like, wait a second,

745
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: that's always been the facts. And people were shocked about that,

746
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 2: like what that's that's so you know, that's diving into

747
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: your privacy and bro blah. It's like, yeah, the moment

748
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: you lose, you would know as a player, you would

749
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: see these people. I was going to say something bad then,

750
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: but I'm like, they're just people doing their jobs right now.

751
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: But we would see these people with.

752
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: The growth, ladies and gentlemen, the just witness some real growth.

753
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: But it's gonna get worse. Here are these people sitting

754
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: there in the corner with their fucking what do you

755
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: call those things? Clipboards? You see the clipboard people. You

756
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: just know I'm not showering alone. How even if you

757
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: win a match or lose a match. You know, the

758
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: clip people are there and they're going to clip you

759
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: and make your pee. And so the moment you walk

760
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: off the court, they are literally behind you like they

761
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: are velco on you. They're like a hemorrhoid. They just

762
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: follow you into the locker room. Clearly you have women.

763
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: So the women come into the locker rooms.

764
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: You're just doing your jobs.

765
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: They come it. You just turn your jobs, go into

766
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 2: the locker room. You take your clothes off. You want

767
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 2: to shower. Now, a lot of people shower, including myself,

768
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: because you know, when the water starts in the shower,

769
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, I gotta go to the

770
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: toilet's so bad, right, Yeah, And some people pee in

771
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,479
Speaker 2: the shower, okay, and those that deny it are lying, okay,

772
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: because everyone pee's in the shower, so fuck off. For

773
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: those that you don't pee in the shower, you're not normal. Okay.

774
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: So I would go and have a shower because I'm like,

775
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: oh my god, I've got a peace so bad. But

776
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: i would hang on to it. I would hang on

777
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: to it, Caitlin, and then I would come out of

778
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 2: that shower.

779
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: This is TMO accepted.

780
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: It's not tears because it's important, and I would go okay,

781
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: I would tell off, I put my clothes on, I

782
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: go to okay, let's go pee. And I would go

783
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: pee right, because when you come off the court, you

784
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: dehydrate it. You've been out there for an hour, two hours,

785
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: three hours, you're not hydrated. So it's really hard to

786
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: pee immediately off the court. And some people pee during

787
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: the match. I never did that because I wasn't a

788
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 2: person that went off the fucking tennis court like everybody

789
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 2: else does on tour now, which is so annoying. And

790
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: so now they're saying, well, they're going to be looking

791
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: at you. I was like they were always looking at

792
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: us in the shower. So why is this all of

793
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: a sudden used to everybody.

794
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've been trying to figure out exactly

795
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: what is new about this to people, but I don't

796
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: think there is anything now.

797
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 2: Caitlin, there was one time, right, just so people out

798
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: there know how invasive it is. I was peeing in

799
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: the cup, okay, and we ladies, you know, it's not

800
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: that easy to get it into that cup right, because

801
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: the stream sometimes doesn't go the way you want it to. Okay,

802
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 2: I know, we get into TMI, but this is a fact.

803
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 2: And I've got the cup underneath me and I'm trying

804
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: to find it, and literally the lady is standing three

805
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: feet from me, right in front of me, okay, and

806
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: she looks at me and she goes, I can't see

807
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: the cup.

808
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: I excuse me. That makes two of us.

809
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: She goes, I can't see the cup. I can't see

810
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: if the if And I go, well, lady, I'm sorry.

811
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: If you want to see the cup, then you wouldn't

812
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: have to test me because I'd be a dude. You'd

813
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: be in here, okay, you would see my you know

814
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: what going into the cup. I'm like, it's impossible to like,

815
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: what do you want to stand up and do it?

816
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: Like it's so invasive. So people that say, you know,

817
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: tennis is the most tested sport in the world.

818
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: It's insane. I wanna perhaps suggest because I think you're

819
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: right from what I can tell, it's not necessarily new.

820
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: Maybe they just they definitely reissued the rules. So maybe

821
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: people outside of the sport were surprised by it. Sounds

822
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: like no player were surprised by Yeah. But also the

823
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: thing that I think was new that that Warthimes tweet.

824
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: Maybe it was illustrating is that the agency clarified that

825
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: showering is not an entitlement, which sort of is an

826
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: ominous threat, which is basically like, if you guys don't

827
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: follow the rules, we're not even gonna we're gonna make

828
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: it outside the rules for you to shower eat at all,

829
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: which maybe is me reading into it, but I think

830
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: the emphasis on showering not being an entitlement, therefore, the

831
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: implication is you could lose your It's.

832
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: So preposterous because you're going into the shower, you're not

833
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: you have seb Look.

834
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I think, maybe not to get to

835
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: go down this rabbit hole too much, but I think

836
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: maybe the issue here is not necessarily about showers and

837
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: people peeing in the shower. I think maybe it is

838
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: if you were using a cream or topical substance on

839
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: your body. Maybe the rule emphasis or they're going to

840
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: wash it off is that they were going to wash off.

841
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. I'm not and you and alling

842
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: know about absorption.

843
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: Of you have just come off a tennis court.

844
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,959
Speaker 1: Cause with you know, with Todd Blakes what you're saying.

845
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: But I think maybe that's sort of again, I'm reading

846
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: to some.

847
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: Of us at a certain age might be putting testosterone

848
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: cream on them.

849
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: Would they oh okay, yeah, man.

850
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 2: Of pause, this is what happens. Oh but here's the thing, Caitlin.

851
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: It absorbs in like five seconds. Second of all, you're

852
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: on a tennis court for two fucking hours playing a

853
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: tennis match where you're sweating and telling yourself off all

854
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah. So if they think you're coming off

855
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: a tennis court to wash off your your your test cream,

856
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: your creams, you are out of your mind. So the

857
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: fact that they're putting that out there is just to

858
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: make everybody think, oh, we're so stringent. You guys have

859
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: been stringent on the fucking players forever. So it's just

860
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: nonsense that they put that out anyway, different subjects.

861
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: I think the one conclusion we can clearly draw is that, I.

862
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: Mean, did people not watch Icarus?

863
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: People should watch Icarus. What a great film Icarus.

864
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: Is, and they we're passing the p under the door.

865
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: Yes, that's for anybody who doesn't know. Is about a

866
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: man who sets out to because he is a recreational cyclist,

867
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: take advantage of the fact that he's a recreational cyclist

868
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: and begin a doping program. And again this begins as

869
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: a recreational.

870
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: Innocence like you taking Meldonia.

871
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: Exactly like me taking Maldonia, which is like, well it's

872
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: technically not illegal. I'm a recreational level player. Maybe this

873
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: will help, Will it help? Let me find out? Meets

874
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: the guy. The guy who's helping him turns out to

875
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: be helping the entire Soviet uh and I guess later

876
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: Russian They went to Soviet, the entire Russian Olympic team

877
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: skirt doping protocols, and he like set up the whole system.

878
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: And then it becomes this expos a on which results

879
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: even way too much. People need to realize what they're

880
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: in for it, which is amazing anyways, a great films.

881
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: One thing we can be sure about, which is the

882
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: tennis is doping protocols, agencies and approach still leaves a

883
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: lot to be desired.

884
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: It is, but also trust me, they're not doing anything

885
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: nefarious in the bloody shower because people are staring at you.

886
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: Can we talk about little Harriet.

887
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: Dart and how the showering sort of factors under this

888
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: as well, speaking of showering, Speaking of showering Harriet Dirt,

889
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: the British player losing a match in the first or

890
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: second round.

891
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: She was not happy with her opponents body odor on

892
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 2: the tennis court. Now, listen, we've all been there. I've

893
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: all been there. I've had opponents that didn't smell good

894
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: and it wasn't fun. But the fact that she said something.

895
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: To the umpire, can you make this girl weird odorant?

896
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: Like, if you're going to be that person and listen,

897
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: let me just say, Harriet Dart is great, she's funny,

898
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: she's a sweetheart. She lost her mind a little bit

899
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: here and she did apologize and it wasn't a great look.

900
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: The opponent her name are skipping me. But she put

901
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: out are opponent Instagram later for a Dove commercial, which

902
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: I thought was hilarious.

903
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, she would basically said, hey, Dove, sounds like I

904
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: need a sponsorship.

905
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 2: Yes, which I thought apparently probably does. But I thought

906
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: that if you're going to do that, Harriet, just say

907
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: it to your opponent. Just go, you stink. I don't

908
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 2: like if you're going to do something on the court

909
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: out just because then nobody hears it, right, you just

910
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: say it to her and maybe you get under a

911
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: skin no pun all right, but I did. I did.

912
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: It's not a good look, but I did have a

913
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: laugh about it. It wasn't great, but.

914
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: I think because it ended well with Harriet apologizing and

915
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: the frenchwoman making a joke about it, it is.

916
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: All fair in love and war.

917
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: I guess so.

918
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 2: And I do feel like sometimes we lose our mind

919
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 2: on the tennis court because people lose reminds we've all

920
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: done some crazy shit.

921
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: Should we talk about a player who is losing your

922
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: mind at the WTA right now? The Senko let's see

923
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: a Serenko, one of the Ukrainian players who has been very,

924
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: very vocal about feeling like the Ukrainian players have not

925
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: been supported enough. And this is not the first time

926
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: she's made a statement about this. She's being very vocal

927
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: from has been very vocal. She's one of the players.

928
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: And to be clear, the Ukrainian players who have refused

929
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: to shake the hands of Russian and Bella Russian players.

930
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: She's not alone in this. It's also Elena's Felina. I

931
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: mean not I'm blaming them Marta Kostiak. Yeah, but Lesio

932
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: Cerenko has pulled out and withdrawn and uh had give

933
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: overs to her opponents, she's the one who sort of

934
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: stands out as being the most sort of intense about this.

935
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying she's wrong to be intense about it,

936
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: but now she issuing the WTA for essentially it sounds

937
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: like kind of a combination of creating a hostile work

938
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: environment and not supporting the Ukrainian players enough against She's.

939
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: Claiming that Steve Simon, the former CEO of the WTA,

940
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: was not in essentially not supportive of her and very

941
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: flippant towards her. That's how she felt. If you read

942
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: the complaint and basically sort of going after Steve in

943
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: a lot of ways and the WTA and is saying

944
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 2: you weren't supportive of us, etc. Etc. And you said

945
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: things that made me feel uncomfortable that all might be

946
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: well and truly, and I'm sure, I'm sure that she

947
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: felt that way. But listen, what I do know Steve.

948
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: You know, think what you think about him as a

949
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: CEO or some of the things that he did as

950
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 2: a CEO, But he's a good man. He's a good man,

951
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: and he I would find very unusual for him to

952
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: be not caring or not empathetic towards someone like Lisa

953
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: Lisia Cerenko. I just can't imagine him being just, you know,

954
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 2: kind of like dismiss bugger off like kind of thing.

955
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that at all.

956
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: What do you think is behind this?

957
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: I don't understand this.

958
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: Bring this into the courts.

959
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: I don't understand this at all. I don't understand this

960
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: at all. Look, Lisia Cerenko is a little bit of

961
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 2: a drama cointy. Any player will tell you that. Any

962
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: person on the tour will tell you that she sometimes

963
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: pulls some like drama stuff on the court, whether injuries

964
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: or sicknesses or whatever's going on.

965
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: It's just like, oh, I think she possesses one of

966
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: there's a stat oh the most defaults, defaults and withdrawals

967
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: for a reason for all things, all things, So you know, unfortunately,

968
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the boy that crows wolf.

969
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: At some point people are going to be like, I

970
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 2: don't believe you, yeah kind of thing.

971
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: So where is this coming from Ukraine? Or is this

972
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: about your mental state or is this about something else?

973
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: Or and again, what the Ukrainian players are going through?

974
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: And believe I.

975
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: Cannot even fathom what they're going through. What Switzerlina has

976
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 2: been able to do over the last couple of years

977
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: and highlighting Ukraine talking about all the time, but going

978
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: out there and winning for her country like that to

979
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: me is incredible, and she talks about it openly all

980
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: the time. Now, why isn't she saying or standing up

981
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: and saying I feel the same way. It feels a

982
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: little bit unusual and a little bit it doesn't feel

983
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: like you would think that all the Ukrainian players would

984
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: be more supportive of this situation.

985
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: It is odd that and sort of maybe indicative of

986
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: what's motivating this to your point that the most dramatic,

987
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: the most sort of uh possessing of other stuff that's

988
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: going on player. I mean, to me, it's hard not

989
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: to draw some comparisons between this and the PTPA, which

990
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: is like, hey, have you know in the case of

991
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: the PTPA law, so it's like, hey, have the players

992
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: gotten short tripted by the tournament with regards to prize

993
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: money and like the scheduling and stuffing like this, Like, yeah,

994
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: there's some valid points here, like has it been extremely

995
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: hard for the Ukrainian players to you know, play even

996
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: after the governing bodies not just you the WTA, but also,

997
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, the slam countries and the international competitions like

998
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: the BJK Cup and David's Cup have stripped the Russian

999
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: and bell Russian players of being able to play their

1000
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: own flag. Ye, like you know, nobody's playing the Russian

1001
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: or beller Russian anthems. Like, but I agree, like there's

1002
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's shitty, but it's kind of like, hey,

1003
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: is this the format? What there is a lawsuit doing?

1004
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: What is the point of this?

1005
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,479
Speaker 2: And you can't single out she singled out a couple

1006
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: of particular tennis players.

1007
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: Steve Simon is named in this suit. Some of the

1008
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: Russian players specifically are named in this suit. And it's

1009
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: just kind of like it's the same thing to me

1010
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: with the PTBA, which is like, hey, you guys, there

1011
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: might be some validity here, but like, why didn't you

1012
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: go and get some other support from other people? So

1013
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: this feels like it's more of a player movement. Similarly,

1014
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: if it was all the Ukrainian players, men and women,

1015
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: you'd kind of be like, oh, this seems like it's

1016
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: a systematic issue as opposed to an individual grievance. Yeah,

1017
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of what both boils down

1018
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: to it to me, Yeah, and I mean it feels

1019
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more individual grievance than it does maybe

1020
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: systematic problem that should be dissolved through the court of law.

1021
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what I'm going to enjoy seeing is

1022
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: Sitelena playing against Daria Kasakina and getting to shake her

1023
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: hand now because she sins Australia, and that is indicative

1024
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: of Derek Kina, who clearly has spoken up against you know,

1025
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: the laws in Russia and Houten and.

1026
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: The government feels a little bit.

1027
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: But you know, some of these Russian players probably do

1028
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: feel very anti war and but you but also at

1029
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: the same time, it's an independent contracting sport. They've made

1030
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: stipulations that clearly you can't come in with a Russian

1031
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 2: flag and all that sort of stuff. But these are individuals,

1032
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: and yeah, you can have a word to them. And look,

1033
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 2: I just think I just think it's it's a shame.

1034
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for her because clearly she's going through

1035
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: something and this is to spend the money she's going

1036
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: to have to spend to fight a lawsuit. It's crazy.

1037
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: I don't think she's going to even remotely come close

1038
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: to winning. But you know, I feel sorry for Porscha,

1039
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: the new WTA CEO, because she's coming a serious shit

1040
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: between Rebaka in her and now this situation. It's just like,

1041
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 2: oh my god.

1042
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's end the segment. Well, we're talking about

1043
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: Ukrainian players. To give a big shout out to a

1044
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: Linus Videlina who won the title in Ruin against a

1045
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: very exciting young player in Uga Danilovich, who I think

1046
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: like she's always been a hard hitter and she's somebody

1047
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: who I think is like kind of exciting to watch

1048
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: because she's kind of a dynamic player. But she's getting better,

1049
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: she's getting closer, she's maturing. But Elena's Ferdelina, you know,

1050
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: at mid thirties, is still winning titles and getting to

1051
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: give victory speeches and shout out her beloved husband who

1052
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: we all love. Gay I'm on feast in a final,

1053
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: Like that's awesome, that's a great outcome.

1054
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: No, she's so awesome, And it's just.

1055
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,959
Speaker 1: Like another fun indicator of like tennis is being played

1056
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: all over the world and all sorts of interesting people

1057
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: places with great and interesting outcomes simultaneously. You know, Like

1058
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: yesterday I was trying to watch the finals, and they

1059
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: were all on at the same time, and I was like, Ah,

1060
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: which one of these are? Yeah? What am I doing?

1061
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 2: Only forty two ten TVs? You need to be that

1062
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: person going into a kind of a good problem. Now,

1063
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: we've got a good bar across the street from me

1064
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: now called thirty Love.

1065
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: Let's go check it out.

1066
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 2: We should go check it out. Apparently they've got some booths.

1067
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: We'll check that out. But anyway, we do want to

1068
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: give a shout out to the teams that made the

1069
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: Bachk Cup finals. It's going to be in Shenzhen in September,

1070
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: after the US Open, which is playing. Frankly, I think

1071
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: is better. I think it's a better time to have

1072
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: it right after the US seven November instead of November,

1073
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: because everyone is absolutely tapped and after the US Open.

1074
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: I've you know how I feel about this. I'm always like,

1075
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: let's just get rid of tournaments after the US Open,

1076
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 2: like the US Open.

1077
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: Should be and Serrien Williams agree about that, one hundred.

1078
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: It should be the pun ultimate event and then it

1079
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: should be this is the way I would do it,

1080
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 2: the WTA finals and then Billy Jean kin Cup like

1081
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: do it big time, you know, and have the home

1082
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: and away ties.

1083
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: They should have it at the same time at the

1084
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: same venue tennis festival.

1085
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 2: That certainly could be possible. That certainly could be possible.

1086
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: Certainly, it's like they do Ncuba's uh not for basketball

1087
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: an certainly because it's only team, but like tennis sort

1088
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: of culminates like the team and the individual competition are

1089
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: like pretty condensed.

1090
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be an idea.

1091
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times it's the same player.

1092
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: There's too many tournaments. There's too many they play too

1093
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 2: late and the w you know, the WT schedule finishes

1094
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: super late, as as does the ATP and then you

1095
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: have the Davis Cup and the BJK Cup are at

1096
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: the end, and it's just like, oh my god, everyone's

1097
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: like an end Togo. I need to have a holiday

1098
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: because I got to be back in Australia in three weeks.

1099
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 2: So it's just like, you know, anyway, So the teams

1100
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 2: that qualified were a Great Britain, Japan, Kazakhstan, Spain, Ukraine,

1101
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: so congrats to them. Can't be cool if they want it. Actually,

1102
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: USA Italy because they are the defending champions, and of

1103
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: course the host nation is China, so they are in there.

1104
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: As well, so there's some.

1105
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: Great there's gonna be some great matchups there. Unfortunately, the

1106
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: Old Aussie's lost to Kazakhstan in Australia because Ribakina went

1107
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 2: down there and played, so that was a big help

1108
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: for them. And so yeah, so some great teams going

1109
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: to be in the girl and I do really.

1110
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: Like BJK Cup. I've never been to a single match.

1111
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 2: I have been to Shenzen.

1112
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: I've been to Shenzen as well.

1113
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: You lived in China, so good to see that. Obviously,

1114
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: we want to see the support there. And so the

1115
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: money for Billy Jean King Cup is so big, Like

1116
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: I'm really happy for them. And of course I'm not

1117
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: going to bitch about this because Billy won like two

1118
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: thousand dollars when she won Wimbledon singles. But they're winning

1119
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: millions of dollars. It's crazy how much money they're winning

1120
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: at Bella Jean Kin Cup. Like the team is making

1121
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: so much money and so good.

1122
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: I love to you.

1123
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: We should be yeah, you know how I feel like

1124
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: about But god damn, I played twenty two years.

1125
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: To make sure they didn't get that backed.

1126
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: I didn't get that prize money. So all these players

1127
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 2: should be out there busting their ass for their country

1128
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: because there's huge money on the line there.

1129
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: But anyway, anything that we're looking forward to, I'm going

1130
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: to look forward to watching Madrid, which is a Master's

1131
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: one thousand, and I'm going to use this opportunity to

1132
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: once again call for the cowards who run it to

1133
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 1: bring back the blue clay.

1134
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: No, it's too slippery.

1135
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: It was terrible. It was a beauty.

1136
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: I know it looked good, but it's one person. I

1137
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: do want to see how she's going to go over

1138
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks. Is Coca golf as well,

1139
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 2: just kind of lost away a lot this year losing

1140
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: to Paolini.

1141
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: You we're going to add her to the worry index.

1142
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: I'm I'm adding her to the worry index a little bit,

1143
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: just because the serve and forehand again broke down against Paolini.

1144
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: So it was fun to see PERLINI yeah, it was

1145
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: very way fund of your back.

1146
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: She's got some serious points finals Paris and finals and Wimbledon.

1147
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 2: She has a new coach in her coaching box.

1148
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: Find is your palain with But yes, Clark Lopez, I

1149
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: cain't of expected to win.

1150
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: That match, Mark Lopez, Yeah, yeah, I was a little

1151
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: bit surprised there. Coca got up in the first set

1152
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: and then lost her serve, and then again at four

1153
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: or five in the first set down love fifteen. No

1154
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: big deal, right, it's four five love fifteen, No big deal.

1155
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: Double fault, double fault yep to go Love forty and

1156
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: then missus a easy back end white by mile and

1157
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: I was like, what the.

1158
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: Hell is that? So, you know, technically pressure mental.

1159
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: As soon as the pressure really gets on her, the

1160
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 2: double faults, and that should not be happening indoors, and

1161
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 2: it should definitely not be happening on clay because on

1162
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: clay you can get away with hitting an average serve

1163
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: because you can run the ball down better. So those

1164
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: things are a little bit of a concern. And you know,

1165
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: the service motion, she gets on the front foot too early.

1166
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: Oh god, I could go on forever about it, but

1167
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: I won't. There is a con and yeah, there's there

1168
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: is a concern. I would like to see her and

1169
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: Eager playing against each other at the French at some

1170
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: point and maybe quarters of Semis and see who can

1171
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 2: battle there their their brain plock away, the battle of

1172
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: the brain black. Yeah, But but anyway, all right, guys,

1173
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 2: It's been a great couple of weeks.

1174
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: Spring is really here. I'm excited about the just preponderance

1175
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: and comments. It's still called here, although we had a

1176
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: couple of nice days. I'm really excited about Center coming back.

1177
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm excited Runa, as you said, ascending back up into

1178
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: the injuries. Okay, yeah, are nursing. I'm going to give

1179
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: a shout out to Pas because I love him. Silly

1180
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: backhand and it's silly whole.

1181
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: She's silly backhand, He's got beautiful back He's going to

1182
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: be Slice needs to work.

1183
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm.

1184
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: Sabalanc Is still out there being crazy.

1185
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: Oh one last call out. Nike just fatably gets a

1186
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: lot of ship on this podcast because they've basically ignored

1187
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: tennis for what Likeim Kardashian like get out here. But

1188
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: the Lilac Springtime Easter basket color that Sablanca and Carlos

1189
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: Akar has played in over the weekend, It looks so

1190
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: good on that red clay Do you love it?

1191
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? That looks great. I will say I really like

1192
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 2: new Balances looks on Coco.

1193
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's they don't kill us, they don't mess with,

1194
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: they don't miss And also I think on the men's side,

1195
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: Tommy part they don't mess with him either. Yeah, they well,

1196
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean both of them are beautiful attraction, which a

1197
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: great parties and the whole thing. But the god they're

1198
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: succeed with their kids. I think they both almost always

1199
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: look phenomenal and even if they don't look their best,

1200
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: they look great. You know which I think we should

1201
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: all be so lucky is to walk out on to

1202
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: the court with a great kit shout look, good play.

1203
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: Because you know, if you don't look good, you can

1204
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: still play well. There are some players that do that

1205
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 2: really well, they will remain nameless.

1206
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: Thanks.

1207
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, everybody. We'll see you next week.

1208
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Speaker 1: Bye.