WEBVTT - Midwest Nice, Leave the ICE

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Melissa, how's it going. How are you good? Good?

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<v Speaker 1>It was a crazy day. I had court and I

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<v Speaker 1>had jury duty, so you I was on both sides

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<v Speaker 1>of justice.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me guess it didn't choose you, did they? And

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I love to say, I told you so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like prom She did tell me, so she

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<v Speaker 1>always tells me, I told you so. I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>would be quick to hop good, to hop on zoom

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<v Speaker 1>really quick just before this episode and do a quick

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<v Speaker 1>psa quick announcement that the episode that is airing we

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<v Speaker 1>recorded the day before Alex Pretty was murdered, so you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to hear this episode. We address ice, we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about DHS, we talk about what's happening in America. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was literally the day before he was murdered and

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<v Speaker 1>shot ten times by federal DHS officers. So I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was important that you and I get on a

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<v Speaker 1>quick call and just sort of make that announcement before

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<v Speaker 1>people listen to this episode. I want them to just

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<v Speaker 1>not be listening and like wondering why.

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<v Speaker 2>Wondering why we're not addressing it. It literally happened the

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<v Speaker 2>day before. We couldn't have but we thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>important for us to do this tonight so that you

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<v Speaker 2>guys would understand that it was just information that we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it happened to day we recorded, the day before

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting, So yeah, I thought it would be good

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<v Speaker 1>for you and me to just chat about it really

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<v Speaker 1>briefly before we jump into the episode. The episode is

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<v Speaker 1>very relevant, so please stick around. But right before we

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<v Speaker 1>jump in, I'm happy to I mean, I'm not happy

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss, but I'm open to discussing what's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>happening right now and what's changed in the past six

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<v Speaker 1>days since we were in the studio, which is wild

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<v Speaker 1>to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like we talk about, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all changing really quickly and faster than I think we

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<v Speaker 2>can keep up with it. You know, I know what

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<v Speaker 2>we had talked about when we had talked about Renee Good.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I had said to you, I wonder what

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to take, right Is it going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a straight, white Christian man? And I don't know whether

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<v Speaker 2>Alex is straight or Christian or any of those things,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, here we are. A white man was

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<v Speaker 2>murdered on the streets of Minneapolis, and the initial reaction

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<v Speaker 2>of this administration was to put the blame directly on him,

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<v Speaker 2>the same way that they did immediately immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an investigation, no view of the footage. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just immediate response.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean it's unbelievable. But also, Michael, I think

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<v Speaker 2>part of the course, right, this is what this administration does.

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<v Speaker 2>They very rarely take responsibility for anything that they think

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<v Speaker 2>is negative. The the their gut reaction is to always

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<v Speaker 2>past the blame. This is like a liberal problem. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what these people do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was his fault because he brought a gun

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<v Speaker 1>to a protest, right, is absolutely what they're always saying.

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<v Speaker 1>And they jumped right in. And I mean I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking at my feet just before I got on this

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<v Speaker 1>call with you, and a judge ordered that that five

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<v Speaker 1>year old boy is not to be removed, nor should

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<v Speaker 1>his father. We've got Christine Home being pressed by Congress

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<v Speaker 1>right now. The calls for her impeachment are growing and

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<v Speaker 1>growing louder and louder. It's Tuesday night at seven fifteen pm.

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<v Speaker 1>Just FYI, So I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have Trump saying that he wants finally wants

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<v Speaker 1>an honest inquiry, whatever that may mean into what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in Minnesota. We have the head of DHS is,

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<v Speaker 1>the Border Patrol commander is being asked to leave Minneapolis

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<v Speaker 1>is being demoted, and I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think retiring right tied correct.

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<v Speaker 1>They sort of put him up to pasture. So there

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<v Speaker 1>is really a growing surge. I have so many celebrities. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>celebrities are paying attention to this cause, which it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I always feel a way about celebrities getting involved and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they're not experts sort of weighing in or they're

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<v Speaker 1>influencing elections. But whether or not, like I love it

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<v Speaker 1>or hate it, celebrities have power, right they.

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<v Speaker 2>Do, and they have the ability to bring attention to

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<v Speaker 2>an issue. And again, whether or not we think it's

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<v Speaker 2>their place to do so, I think we can agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Celebrities are also citizens of the world right and citizens

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<v Speaker 2>of the United States. And if you are a person,

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<v Speaker 2>a person of conscience, you're looking at this and this

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<v Speaker 2>is wrong and I and you know, is it too little,

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<v Speaker 2>too late? I don't know, but I mean I do

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate people sort of the more voices we lend to this,

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<v Speaker 2>the better it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's right. I love seeing everyone get involved,

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<v Speaker 1>to get amplified, whether or not you're celebrity, whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not you have five followers or five million. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just great to see people posting and pushing information out,

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<v Speaker 1>especially now that we have It really feels like the

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<v Speaker 1>public perception is what has moved everything forward, right, the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that we have so many people involved in the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation that the horrors of the Trump administration. This isn't

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<v Speaker 1>the first day that we've had awful things, right, However,

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<v Speaker 1>it does finally feel like there is this growing swall,

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<v Speaker 1>this surge of people who are paying attention and effect,

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<v Speaker 1>and the change is starting to come. So we're starting

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<v Speaker 1>to see resignations, we're starting to see inquiries, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>also seeing a lot of people talking about how what

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<v Speaker 1>ICE is doing is a distraction, how their activity is

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<v Speaker 1>intentionally designed to ensure that no one's focusing on the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein files, and that Pam Bondi is thirty one days

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<v Speaker 1>past the deadline to release more Epstein information from the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein piles.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, They're hoping that people will be so distracted by

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on in Minnesota that they will sort of

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<v Speaker 2>forget to ask. And I think it's really important that

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<v Speaker 2>this is the moment to you know, we can be

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<v Speaker 2>outraged about multiple things at once. You know, we can

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<v Speaker 2>be outraged about or curious about what's happening what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on in the Epstein files, while also being outraged

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<v Speaker 2>and calling attention to what is happening in Minneapolis. So

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the lesson here is to it's

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<v Speaker 2>for citizens to sort of turn up the heat right,

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to your congress person, make those phone calls,

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<v Speaker 2>go to protests.

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<v Speaker 1>And strike. Everyone's striking on Fridays. So this episode drops

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<v Speaker 1>on Thursday. The strike will be the next day, so

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow if you're listening to this is a general strike

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<v Speaker 1>across the country. So no shopping, no school, no work,

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<v Speaker 1>no nothing. And I strikes really do work. It is

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<v Speaker 1>so important to bring attention to strikes and everyone that

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<v Speaker 1>reaches out to us or a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 1>do are looking for non violent ways to stay away

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<v Speaker 1>from violence but still be a part of the change.

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<v Speaker 1>So I love to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, and about the strike, So this

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<v Speaker 2>is a strike from everything, folks. It's you know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to work, We're not going to school, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not shopping. We are you know, these are all of.

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<v Speaker 1>The looked right at me when she said she looked

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<v Speaker 1>at me dead in the eyes and said, no more shop.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what I will, I will abstain absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>so I mean and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's all the things right. So this is an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity for the country, this administration to realize that they

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<v Speaker 2>need us, They need us to participate, and they serve

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<v Speaker 2>at our pleasure, and this is not what we want

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<v Speaker 2>as Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're looking to avoid being a part of an

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<v Speaker 1>adversarial protest situation, you don't. You are afraid or nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a great way to be a part of

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<v Speaker 1>a movement that is affecting change. So please join the

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<v Speaker 1>general strike on Friday. One more thing before we jump

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<v Speaker 1>into the episode, I wanted to do a quick PSA.

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode, I talk about bond hearings and eligibility

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<v Speaker 1>for bond, a recent decision affecting bond eligibility and immigration

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<v Speaker 1>court and all of the implications. I talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode, but I did a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>research and I just wanted to give a quick PSA

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<v Speaker 1>shout out that in the episode, I very much paint

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<v Speaker 1>with a broom about who is and is not eligible

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<v Speaker 1>for bond in immigration court. What I say is absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>true and correct. I double checked my research. However, there

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<v Speaker 1>is nuance to it, so always consult an immigration attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel free to reach out to me. I've been black

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<v Speaker 1>in a way answering DMS all week, but just to

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<v Speaker 1>know that it is not, you know, an absolute right.

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<v Speaker 2>And remember, friends, what's why I always say, while Michael

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<v Speaker 2>is a lawyer, he's not your lawyer. So the information

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<v Speaker 2>that we give out is for sort of general informational

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<v Speaker 2>purposes and entertainment. For your specific need legal needs, please

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to your own attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So let's get into the episode. Set your

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<v Speaker 1>butt down, and we will see you in the studio.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Brief Recess.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Malbrant.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to be talking about how whed and

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<v Speaker 1>crack are not the same.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not matter what your mother says, all.

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<v Speaker 1>The messed up new bond proceedings and Immigration Court, a

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<v Speaker 1>recently leaked ICE memo thanks to a whistleblower, plastic surgery

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<v Speaker 1>in our algorithms space A not arrests and all the

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<v Speaker 1>questions from your DMS were finally getting into the DMS.

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<v Speaker 1>Stick around. It's just like that.

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<v Speaker 2>In London, Like, that's a job.

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<v Speaker 1>Platform nine and three quarters. In London, there's someone's job

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<v Speaker 1>is like tossing your scarf to make it look like

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<v Speaker 1>you're running towards a fucking brick column.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're pushing the thing the trolley.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't say you like, I'm ever gonna do this. Please

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<v Speaker 1>keep me out of this platform, this Fiery Potter fantasy. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a person charged. There's a person in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>platform nine and three quarters of tossing people's scarves to

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<v Speaker 1>make it look.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you're running you yes, yes, yes, Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know I am not coming for this person's job.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not making it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I respect, but I just think, like, of all that

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<v Speaker 2>anything can be a job.

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<v Speaker 1>Sex work is real work. Yeah everything, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of sex work is real work. So there's this

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<v Speaker 2>a sex worker that I follow on TikTok Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with her. She's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>You okay, Melissa's friends with sex workers like sometimes sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember that? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sex workers find Melissa and befriend her in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that I've never seen before. I'm actually jealous.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I am. I was on a plane ones.

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<v Speaker 1>And shout out to Jeff Blue. What was the airline?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't remember we were friends when this happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't remember. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>while ago, but I remember getting on a plane. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember why. So I saw this woman and she

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<v Speaker 2>was giving Kardashian do you know what I mean, like

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<v Speaker 2>that whole thing. Yeah, really pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl but with the like air brushed on makeup and

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff, the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we were we ended up sitting next to

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<v Speaker 2>each other and she the plane was late whatever, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was like kind of like upset about it, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, yeah, I got like all these appointments.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, oh, more right.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget how she told me that she was a

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<v Speaker 2>sex worker. She didn't say a sex worker. I think

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<v Speaker 2>she said I'm in porn or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, do you the adult film industry?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you tell?

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<v Speaker 1>Always got great stories. I love talking to a sex worker.

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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you, though, And I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>paint people who were in the sex industry with the

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<v Speaker 2>same brush. But at the end of this flight, where

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<v Speaker 2>was I.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you were going to Miami. You were going

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<v Speaker 1>to Florida for some reason.

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<v Speaker 2>I was coming back from Florida. Yes, oh, yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>was coming back from Florida. So at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>this flight.

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<v Speaker 1>My take on that is like the sex work belt

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<v Speaker 1>Way is the New York to Miami flight is the

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<v Speaker 1>sex worker belt Way.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was coming because she had some dates. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and she booked and busy this for like a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days or whatever it was. But at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the flight, I remember feeling like, this is like

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<v Speaker 2>a damaged person. And I also felt very protective of

0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:09.360
<v Speaker 2>her because there was a guy who had been listening

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<v Speaker 2>to us talk oh no, yeah, and and he like,

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<v Speaker 2>she went her away, I went my way. We exchanged

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<v Speaker 2>numbers and stuff and and he sort of like made

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<v Speaker 2>this like, no.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, I'm going to get you to a caf safely.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me just know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, she did what she was going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But he like looked at me. He was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>that was an interesting conversation that you were having. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was none of your funs.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was I was just gonna say it's none

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<v Speaker 1>of your business. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like, it's none of your business. And

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<v Speaker 2>he was like yeah, but and he was like, well,

0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.000
<v Speaker 2>you know women like that. I'm like, wouldn't touch you

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<v Speaker 2>with a ten foot poll and what.

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<v Speaker 1>About men like you? He's dropping on people on flight

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<v Speaker 1>stay keeping.

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<v Speaker 2>But I and I we stayed in touch for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember you being like, I'm worried about this person.

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<v Speaker 1>And it had nothing to do with her being a

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<v Speaker 1>sex worker.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like oh no, no, no, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 1>It was we were like, my friend needs help.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I definitely feel like she had

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<v Speaker 2>some such abuse issues and she she had a daughter

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<v Speaker 2>who she wasn't really seeing anymore. Mom had taken her

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<v Speaker 2>kid away from her. I just felt bad for her.

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<v Speaker 1>People and people find you, and like also, I was

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<v Speaker 1>at the club this weekend and I went out all

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<v Speaker 1>night dancing. It was a great cardio. I was on

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<v Speaker 1>that dance where I was having like fifty thousand drinks.

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<v Speaker 1>But this guy found me and we're chatting and then

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<v Speaker 1>he leans in and he's like, I recognized you from TikTok?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you help me with my I five eighty nine

0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Asylum applications.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you going to help wait? Asylum from Canada? It

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<v Speaker 2>was like asylum Frost.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave me the full and I was He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>can I get your number? And I was like sure,

0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:46.960
<v Speaker 1>man Like she was like asylum from Maybe maybe Stella

0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't get her groove back that night. I can't tell.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to tell you about his asylum claim

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<v Speaker 1>from Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sorry, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say what could have happened? You were doing

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<v Speaker 1>so much cocaine? That was you at your age. You

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<v Speaker 1>should not be railing lines like that. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>cardiac situation.

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<v Speaker 2>When people do things like that in front of me,

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<v Speaker 2>I immediately railing line, I am like nervous and horrified.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I love it. I'm like, let's see how much

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<v Speaker 1>this bitch can do. I'm actually kind of curious. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't do drugs. I really don't. I know, based off

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<v Speaker 1>like my face, what that?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Forty miles a rough highway? I thought I might look

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<v Speaker 1>like someone who's done a lot of drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that I think I'll tell the story. It's

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<v Speaker 2>about drugs though. Okay, Okay, my brother's in college. He's

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<v Speaker 2>getting over. He got a ride from home to college.

0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.200
<v Speaker 2>He went to college in Connecticut, and it took him

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<v Speaker 2>a longer to get back to school than my parents

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<v Speaker 2>thought that it should have. Okay, And then so he

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<v Speaker 2>finally calls and he tells my mother what happened. And

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<v Speaker 2>then my mother calls me and she was just like, Messa,

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<v Speaker 2>yo whatter called me and he said that the girl

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<v Speaker 2>who was giving him the ride, the boyfriend, the boyfriend

0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:10.280
<v Speaker 2>of the girl pulled over. He's smoking crack.

0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.960
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I'm like, on like a Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>at noon, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, first of all, my brother, did

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<v Speaker 2>I not teach you anything? Like I? You told mom

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<v Speaker 2>and I and so I was just like, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>sound right to me anyway, let me call him back.

0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I called him back, and I was just like, let

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<v Speaker 2>me ask you something. Did you call mom and tell

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<v Speaker 2>her that your ride pulled over to smoke crack? And

0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.640
<v Speaker 2>he was like, no, I told mom he pulled over

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<v Speaker 2>and he was smoking pot. And I was like, okay, So,

0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.960
<v Speaker 2>first of all, Mom just took this to that. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me see is she charged up?

0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Charged?

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<v Speaker 2>That is such a typical Haitian parent thing to do. Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you the rest of it. So then

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<v Speaker 2>so I start yelling at him and I'm just like,

0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.000
<v Speaker 2>did I not teach you anything? Why would you tell mom?

0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:06.639
<v Speaker 2>And he was like, I don't know.

0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.440
<v Speaker 1>She's like, so he got out his machine gun. He

0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.000
<v Speaker 1>loaded it up with crystal meth and he shot it

0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:15.200
<v Speaker 1>into his vein right there on the side of the highway.

0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.000
<v Speaker 2>So he was just like, I don't know. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that. Sometimes I will say something to

0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.280
<v Speaker 2>my mother and then after I've said it, I'm just like, what.

0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Did I Why did I tell her that? Because I

0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.560
<v Speaker 1>told her I had to TikTok and she's telling everyone

0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm dealing extasy.

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<v Speaker 2>So I called my mom back and I was just like, mom,

0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Joey said that it's not the guy didn't pull over

0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.840
<v Speaker 2>to smoke crack. He was poking marijuana. And my mom

0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:45.479
<v Speaker 2>was like, Menissa cokain marijuana sim thing. And I was like,

0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.119
<v Speaker 2>I gotta go like this, and I gotta tell.

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<v Speaker 1>You right now, they're not the same thing.

0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:52.720
<v Speaker 2>I was like, they're not the same thing, and she

0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.239
<v Speaker 2>was just like, as far and it's not. It is

0:17:55.280 --> 0:18:01.000
<v Speaker 2>not just her Haitian people. My zo's slide into my dms.

0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.680
<v Speaker 2>You tell me and actually any member of the diaspora.

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<v Speaker 2>You tell me what your parents tell you about marijuana

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<v Speaker 2>and cracking, the same thing, the same thing.

0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I've never smoked crack to go to sleep better at night.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just say that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you though, that is no exaggeration. But I

0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.320
<v Speaker 2>gotta tell you the worst part of that story is

0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:28.800
<v Speaker 2>that I'm still, to this day, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Years later, You're still trying to convince your mother that

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't crack.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm so pissed off at my brother for confiding

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<v Speaker 2>in my mother. What did I not teach you anything?

0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:42.679
<v Speaker 2>I laid the way for you, and this is how

0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.320
<v Speaker 2>you repay me. Idiot boy, Let's take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>This is sidebar. We're going to just go over some

0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:53.720
<v Speaker 1>weird things that have happened this week. I had, I

0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:54.480
<v Speaker 1>had a couple.

0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Of so many weird things. Things stay happening.

0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Early in the week. I keep thinking about that meme.

0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.159
<v Speaker 1>It's like from Already Rock and Liz Lemon's like, what

0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.440
<v Speaker 1>a week hunt Jack's like Lemon, it's Wednesday.

0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.720
<v Speaker 2>It's it was still not even like it's been quite

0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:09.040
<v Speaker 2>the year.

0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:14.880
<v Speaker 1>It's January. Yeah, I was in court, uh yesterday and

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<v Speaker 1>this is so stupid. The mics weren't working, so the

0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.080
<v Speaker 1>judge couldn't hear us because it was a virtual hearing.

0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like muted, and so the judge can being

0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.719
<v Speaker 1>like counselor can you speak up where I'm really sorry.

0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.639
<v Speaker 1>The microphones in the courtroom aren't working, so I just

0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.000
<v Speaker 1>can't hear anything. And I'm like, good thing that it's

0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.720
<v Speaker 1>not important that you can hear what I'm saying in court.

0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:43.399
<v Speaker 2>So everything is collapsing right like she was start saying

0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:48.720
<v Speaker 2>a knife and salmon like nothing anymore, nothing.

0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:55.919
<v Speaker 1>Extra syllables, so hard cut to me. I was I

0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:59.800
<v Speaker 1>had to yell. I had to yell into the mic.

0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.440
<v Speaker 2>That's why you went to laws.

0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:07.000
<v Speaker 1>So I'm selling I'm sounding a little horse today, horace horse.

0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I had a bond teering where now because so many

0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:15.640
<v Speaker 1>people are being detained right now the bond court is

0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.359
<v Speaker 1>they're not even transporting migrants to court anymore. They're just

0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:23.160
<v Speaker 1>putting a camera in a cell and it's giving full

0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.760
<v Speaker 1>zero dark thirty Guantanamo vibes like this is total vibe shift.

0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry everyone, but I don't even know what to

0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:29.560
<v Speaker 1>ask you.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that legal?

0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sitting there and I'm like, is this

0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.520
<v Speaker 1>So I get so I log into it's a WebEx

0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:39.720
<v Speaker 1>hearing because we're doing everything on WebEx now because it's

0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:43.760
<v Speaker 1>so things are moving so fast. There's so many people,

0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:47.280
<v Speaker 1>it's the volume. So I log in and I'm like,

0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.960
<v Speaker 1>why are there fifty people in orange jumpsuits on one

0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.280
<v Speaker 1>zoom camera just in a cell? It was like this,

0:20:55.480 --> 0:21:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen just a throng a line of people

0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.879
<v Speaker 1>and staring into the zoom camera.

0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:05.720
<v Speaker 2>And the inmates are just waiting for their turn, and.

0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:09.119
<v Speaker 1>They're all like they're all just standing waiting around, and

0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this is is someone did someone turn on?

0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Like the security camera is? Something is not right here? Yeah,

0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.600
<v Speaker 1>And you get to bond court early because you're like,

0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I got to get there. I don't know when they're

0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.200
<v Speaker 1>going to call my client. So you're usually waiting around

0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.680
<v Speaker 1>for your client to be called, and then you're litigating

0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.399
<v Speaker 1>for less than sixty seconds, right, It's just like a

0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.399
<v Speaker 1>lot of waiting. I usually bring I'm answering emails and

0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:32.600
<v Speaker 1>then they call my person's number. But I log into

0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the weipex and it's fifty people in a cell standing.

0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:37.480
<v Speaker 1>There's nowhere for them.

0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:40.000
<v Speaker 2>To sit because there are so many people, so many people.

0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.480
<v Speaker 1>So then they say they call a name out and

0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.000
<v Speaker 1>it's like over the loudspeaker, and the person raises their

0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:49.040
<v Speaker 1>hand and.

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<v Speaker 2>They sort of shuffle over to the front.

0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, mill forward to the front, raise your hand. Melissa's here,

0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:57.119
<v Speaker 1>she moves forward to the front. Okay, And you stand

0:21:57.119 --> 0:21:59.760
<v Speaker 1>there in front of the camera in a cell while

0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I argue you should be released.

0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:03.760
<v Speaker 2>On bond with all these other people, all these.

0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Other people never committed a crime, like, these aren't criminals,

0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.320
<v Speaker 1>These aren't These are people who are just in some

0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:14.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of immigration proceeding or undocumented. It was, it was truly.

0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like, and this is the first time that

0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:16.560
<v Speaker 2>you've seen this.

0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And I'm someone who is like a loud mouth,

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 1>crazy bitch and who is prone to filing lawsuits. And

0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:25.959
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't even know where to begin here,

0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't really even know if I should say

0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:31.480
<v Speaker 1>something like my job today is to get my client out. Sure,

0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.439
<v Speaker 1>I have a duty to ensure that I get my

0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:35.159
<v Speaker 1>client bonded out.

0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Who do you take that to? Who do you complain?

0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:40.560
<v Speaker 1>And I'm still figuring that out. It happened yesterday, so

0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like I still need I need to like put

0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 1>a call in to figure out what to do here,

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.119
<v Speaker 1>because this is like the ACL you should be aware

0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.520
<v Speaker 1>of this. This is like and then I'm like, what

0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.320
<v Speaker 1>is happening at this detention facility? That this is what

0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.159
<v Speaker 1>they're putting in front of a judge, right, like the

0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:01.560
<v Speaker 1>judge can see that self and saying anything and not

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:03.480
<v Speaker 1>while I was there. I was there for like one

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:05.560
<v Speaker 1>short proceeding and then I had that you got to

0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:09.359
<v Speaker 1>skidatle once your person's bonded, gotcha. But I was like,

0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know where to begin. So that so

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:15.600
<v Speaker 1>that is just like a little window into I guess

0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 1>we talk about this after the ice fan closes what

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:19.360
<v Speaker 1>happens on the other side of the van.

0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:20.240
<v Speaker 2>This is what's happened.

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:22.280
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm seeing one of the things that's happened

0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:26.240
<v Speaker 1>looking through the keyhole, what at least I am seeing.

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:28.640
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, if that's what they're showing judges, if

0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that's what they're showing litigans.

0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I feel like we say this every time

0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 2>we talk about this, like again, nothing mad, nothing seems

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.760
<v Speaker 2>to matter anymore, Like I think all bets are off

0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:45.720
<v Speaker 2>they've tossed the rule book aside. They're doing whatever whenever. However,

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:46.880
<v Speaker 2>we just whomever.

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<v Speaker 1>We just found out that there was a there a

0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 1>welcome back whistleblowers. Where have you been? We've been waiting

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.440
<v Speaker 1>for y'all, because we got a whistleblower complaint this week

0:23:56.960 --> 0:24:02.199
<v Speaker 1>that was released. The DOJ issued a verbal memo. There

0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:06.320
<v Speaker 1>was like a verbal order given to ICE officers that

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:08.960
<v Speaker 1>they should break into people's homes.

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I did hear about this?

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh and drag them out if

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:14.640
<v Speaker 1>so needed, which is.

0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 2>A human warrant.

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no warrant, no signed judicial warrant. The fore warrant

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 1>is fine. They're telling people, they're telling their officers. And

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:25.879
<v Speaker 1>when everything was happening last week, it feels like a

0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 1>year ago in Minnesota where we were seeing people dragged

0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:30.959
<v Speaker 1>out of their homes. We're like, no, no, no, no, no, you

0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 1>have to ask judicial warrant.

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Ice officers just aren't trained. No, they are trained. They

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 1>were trained. They were trained to break the Fourth Amendment

0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:41.600
<v Speaker 1>and do this all without a judicial warrant.

0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:45.640
<v Speaker 2>So I guess it all depends on how this sort

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.960
<v Speaker 2>of plays out. But I just don't even again, it

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:50.119
<v Speaker 2>is the same thing. I don't even know what to

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.439
<v Speaker 2>ask you, right, So, like what is going to happen.

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Nothing's going to happen, or.

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:55.720
<v Speaker 1>This is going to be molney is going to happen.

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 1>The thing is is that it's going to get work

0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:00.439
<v Speaker 1>through the court system. Right, So, like these violin but

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:02.360
<v Speaker 1>in the meantime, these people are going to get deported.

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:06.680
<v Speaker 1>But we're being violated exactly, and it'll get worked through

0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the court system and they'll say no, that was wrong.

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:12.439
<v Speaker 1>There'll be a congressional hearing. It'll take years. And in

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 1>the meantime, we've got your friendly neighborhood gardener getting dragged

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:20.360
<v Speaker 1>out of his house. He's got an LPR status, he's

0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 1>got a green car, is being held in detention, not

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.600
<v Speaker 1>really sedt on bond because we changed the bond rules.

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 1>And then that person is either being held in detention

0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:33.920
<v Speaker 1>and needs to hire an expensive lawyer to get them out,

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 1>or they're going to get deported and then we'll work

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 1>it out. On the flip side, it is absolutely.

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Wid but it not only could it, but it will

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 2>take years to travel this righttime, you've completely annihilated someone's life,

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:50.639
<v Speaker 2>and not just their lives, but their families. Did you

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 2>see that they used this little boy's bait to get Yes.

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.919
<v Speaker 1>It's one of these things where it's like, if you

0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 1>aren't horrified by that, like, I don't know what will

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 1>horrify you, Like, I don't know what it'll take for

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 1>you to get involved if that doesn't bother you, right,

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:07.400
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like every week we come in here

0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 1>and we say, oh, this thing happened. If you're not

0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:13.159
<v Speaker 1>horrified by this, how could you know it's nothing's going

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to horrify you. You have no barometer for this.

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it's this idea of the other. Right,

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 2>if they if they had come here legally, if they

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>had done it right, like my ancestors, did you know

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 2>what I mean it is? I think that they you know,

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 2>the people who are looking at this and don't see

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:35.360
<v Speaker 2>anything wrong with that, don't think that these people are

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 2>the same as them, right they are. They're not human beings,

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:43.399
<v Speaker 2>right because the President of the United States is talking

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 2>about them like that, right right.

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 1>I will go on the record and tell you right now,

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:49.280
<v Speaker 1>if you're one of these people who say, oh, well,

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>this is happening to them because what they did is illegal,

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I will tell you right now it is not just

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>happening to the people who did things illegally. There, it

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 1>is happening to the people who did it the right way,

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.640
<v Speaker 1>to the people who did illegally. I will dispel that fact.

0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Most of my clients are people who are in detention

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 1>because and it's usually because they did it legally and

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>they came in contact with dhs ICE and were then

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 1>detained because they were trying to do it legally. So

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>if you're one of these people who believed in these

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 1>fallacies that oh, well, this is happening to these people,

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>they deserve it. They did something illegal, they did something wrong.

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 1>That is not the case for most people I mean.

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:27.680
<v Speaker 2>And also I mean they are instances of people who

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:30.400
<v Speaker 2>are American citizens, who are you know, who are getting

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 2>rounded up.

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it just happened to a woman in Minnesota. They

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>beat her American citizen and called her the N word

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>and then detained her for two days, realized she was

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>a citizen and released.

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Her, but released her and then you know, nothing, no apology, No, I.

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Mean, suesed their asses. And I hope that Congressman Robert

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 1>Garcia is compiling a list of all the things that

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>people are doing wrong and suing.

0:27:57.240 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I just I am so deeply concerned about what is

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 2>going to happen to the people that they round up,

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 2>regardless of immigration and status. I'm worried about what kind

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 2>of abuses are taking place in these detention centers. I'm

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:19.679
<v Speaker 2>worried about kids being left unattended, their parents were being

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 2>taken away from them. This is and I wonder what

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:28.359
<v Speaker 2>is going to happen when all is said and done.

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, I think it was last week or

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember anymore, but you were talking about this

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 2>woman that you had heard about on NPR, who was

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 2>talking about while they were putting Japanese people in interment camps,

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 2>this family came to her and that she asked for

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 2>a glass of water, and this woman didn't do it

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:50.479
<v Speaker 2>because she was afraid. Right and now here it is

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>seventy years later, and she's still thinking about it.

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 1>What's going to be your glass of water moment? Right?

0:28:58.040 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>This is your algorithm is showing. We're going to talk

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:01.479
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about what's showing up on our feeds.

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 1>What our feeds are a little bit different right now,

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. Yeah, I'm seeing a lot about this

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 1>ice and also greenland, but I'm hearing a lot of creators,

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of news sources talk about how a lot

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>of this is a distraction from the Epstein files and

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 1>what's happening with the Epstein list. Have you been hearing

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>about this at all?

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I have, I think so. My algorithm is always all

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>over the place. So yes, I'm hearing a lot of

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>things about Greenland. I'm hearing a lot of because I'm

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 2>super interested in this, and there are people who are

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 2>volunteering to be sort of on the lookout for ICE.

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm very interested in doing that and sort of like

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 2>walking around trying to follow them to see what they're

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 2>up to, and letting people in those communities know that

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 2>they should stay in their homes and let them know

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 2>that ICE is out there looking for them. I also

0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 2>have been really interested in finding so every now and

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 2>then ICE will gather up people and then release them.

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 2>But when they release them, sort of like lead them

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 2>wherever it is no coat.

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I will say this quick PSA, if you are a

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>migrant or even like a I guess US citizen who

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>might be perceived by a nice office, I guess a

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 1>non white US citizen, put someone on your pets tag,

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 1>your dog tag because people are getting picked up and

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>their migrants with their phone number on their dogs tag.

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>ICE usually just leaves the pet where they pick the

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 1>person up on the street. So then all these dogs

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>are strays. They get picked up by this by like

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.959
<v Speaker 1>the ASPCA the strays and they go to the pound.

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>And people can't contact a family member because they're trying

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 1>to call someone who's in a detention center, so they

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 1>don't have access to their phone. So put like a relative, friend,

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>family member, your immigration lawyer, whoever, on your pets tag,

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>so that if you get picked up by ICE. It

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 1>sounds crazy, but it is happening. It's happening a lot.

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>And now all these pets are kind of displaced as

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 1>well because they can't access the owner because they're being

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 1>held into tention. So but I saw that on my

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 1>algorithm too. Did you see in Minnesota there there are

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>people with whistles on every single street, corner, every single.

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Block, And I mean, I think that's amazing work. Shout

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 2>out to those people, you know. So that's what I'm

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 2>seeing because, like I said, I'm engaging with that stuff

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 2>because I'm interested in participating. So also, if anybody is

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 2>aware of an organization doing that stuff reach out to

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.479
<v Speaker 2>me because I'm totally down, especially down to sort of

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 2>like pick somebody up and take them back home to

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 2>wherever it is. Yeah, so I'm seeing that. I'm also

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 2>seeing some random.

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 1>It's come to a point where surgery, wait, what about it.

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I've been engaging in plastic surgery like before and after, Yeah,

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 2>before and after. I have a doctor that I'm like obsessed.

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>With doctors is more. No, no, wait, I've been seeing

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>like crazy like Korean skincare procedures.

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, not the procedures.

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>But procedures, but also like the like the.

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Skincare Oh yeah, oh yeah, I.

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Love it so into it and I follow along on

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the journey. People are flying to Korean, they get the.

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're finely to Korea. Definitely the Turkey.

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm a bald man, I'm not. I'm no

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>stranger to Turkey and the Turkey flights.

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I know, it's really funny to see, like, it's super

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 2>interesting to see all the men at the airport and

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Turkey who are on the way home, who all have

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>like bandages. I remember one time. For people who may

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>not know, but like the Dominican Republic is a place

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>where a lot of people go to have plastic surgery.

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that.

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, like bbls and things like that. And I

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 2>remember I was coming back from Jamaica and the flight

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 2>from dr was coming in at the same time. We

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 2>sort of landed together, okay, and there was a line

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:06.719
<v Speaker 2>of wheelchairs waiting, waiting or they were like and mostly

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 2>women waiting, like sort of sitting there. And these women

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 2>look rough, like they clearing or feeling well, and they

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 2>had just been you know, you're not supposed to sit

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>on your ass after you haven't been, but they had

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 2>like those inner tubes to sit on to like propel

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 2>your butt up so that you're like sitting on it,

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 2>and they looked like they weren't a lot of pain.

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:31.719
<v Speaker 2>How do we get to, oh, my algorithm is showing

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so that's your AGOTHHD.

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Definitely that's your algorithm.

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>So my algorithm is like this weird combination of plastic

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 2>surgery and like ice, Greenland political stuff.

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, mine is like a lot of a lot of ice.

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm engaging with it, but I'm also one of the

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>creators who's creating it. So then people are tagging me

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. So then I think it kind of shows

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>me that. And then it's a lot of you know,

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.960
<v Speaker 1>bone broth and a lot of Koream skincare.

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 2>M hm. I was telling you about this girl that

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I follow, the sex worker that I follow. Oh, yeah,

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 2>she got her lip filler removed.

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh, people get their lip filler dissolved.

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:12.399
<v Speaker 2>That's dissolved. And it looks like she got beat up.

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 1>It's supposed to be weigh really painful to.

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Get it, and she said it hurt a lot to

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 2>take it out.

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I think they put it like a chemical in there

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 1>to dissolve it.

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Or I know her mouth is all black and blue.

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:23.560
<v Speaker 3>That is like it.

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Though.

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:27.280
<v Speaker 1>I have been blessed by the lip gods my whole

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>life as the only gay kid at my school with

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 1>big lips. You can only imagine the things people said

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>to me growing up.

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 2>But what they say to you, Michael, I can't repeat it. Yes,

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to, you know. I mean, it's and

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 2>that's fine if it's personal.

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>To you someone with huge lips. You know what people

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>what people said, what people said about my lips, well

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I really grew into them. What people said about my lips,

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 1>What people said about my lips is what Lauren Bobert

0:34:56.400 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>did at Beetlejuice. That is what they said about my life.

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm the pre eminent Lauren Bobert Beetlejuice hand job truther.

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:09.759
<v Speaker 1>That's who I am, and that's why I want to

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 1>be remembered. So throw it on my headstone.

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 2>So in addition to putting you in a dress.

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm there's no way she gave a dry hand job.

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 1>There has to have been mouth stuff. I'm sorry. No

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<v Speaker 1>one over the age of sixteen got a hand job

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>with you. They were in the.

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Movies and they probably popcorn, maybe the butter.

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<v Speaker 1>I need a full I'm sorry. This is these are

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:36.359
<v Speaker 1>the conversations we need to be having America. What lubricated

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:39.359
<v Speaker 1>that hand job? I'm sorry, you can't get a handy jay?

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>You are a dry hand job? I need I need answers.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry this is recording. Where are the journalists, where

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 1>are the whistleblowers? I haven't heard from the cast. I

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 1>haven't call in press too in the comments. If you've

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 1>given a dry hand job, I want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>I no, no, this is not that kind of show.

0:35:58.080 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 2>We're not going to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, it know it is as someone who's I'm

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>an expert.

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Why break?

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<v Speaker 1>Let I hope not. She doesn't talk to me. Welcome back.

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 1>This is brief recess. We're going to jump right into

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 1>under oath. I want to talk about space law.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I didn't realize I.

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>Just watched Interstellar again over the holidays. You know I'm

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.359
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with space. I know, you know that I love

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 1>a good astronaut story. You know that I love ad Astra,

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 1>which is about a man going to space to find

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 1>his dad because he's got daddy issues. You know, I

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>love daddy issues in space starring Brad Pitt. And you

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 1>know what, sometimes we all work through our daddy issues

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 1>in our own way. Sure, sometimes you have to go

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 1>to Jupiter to do it.

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Why not?

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:54.240
<v Speaker 1>And that's what Brad Pitt did for all of us Jupiter. Yeah,

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.280
<v Speaker 1>so I want to talk about crime and space because

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.320
<v Speaker 1>this had there was also a headline recently four astronauts

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.719
<v Speaker 1>who were safely returned just last week. Yeah, they had

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 1>an unusual week in space. It what's a usual week

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:06.760
<v Speaker 1>in space?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, you know, I have to tell you

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I have the sense that sometimes there are some really

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 2>mundane moments in space where they're doing the same sort

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 2>of testing over and over again. I don't know what

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 2>astronauts to do.

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<v Speaker 1>What's a mundane part of your week that might be

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of weird for other people. Mine is like fighting

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:31.800
<v Speaker 1>with cops. Mine is like arguing with cops. Why do

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:33.360
<v Speaker 1>you arguing with con all the time?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you really? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's a privileged place for you to be, Michael Foot.

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes it is, and it is very much a way

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:43.799
<v Speaker 1>in which I use my way privilege for good.

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>It's usually they're trying to get one of my clients

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 1>to say or admit to something, or they're like, oh, hey,

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 1>just come down to the station answer a few questions,

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and then I show up and I'm like, what was

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>the question?

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Ask me, ask me, ask me.

0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious, what was the question? Bitch? Anyway, they had

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.359
<v Speaker 1>an unusual weekend space that required the crew to leave

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the International Space Station a month earlier because of a

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:08.080
<v Speaker 1>medical issue that arose in orbit.

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, and they wouldn't say which one of them it was. Right.

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:12.400
<v Speaker 2>They're not saying, Peppa.

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Good for them, for them. Keep your secrets. Have you

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 1>been to the doctor recently? I have?

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Did I tell you what my doctor said.

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>To me with your fat tongue.

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 2>No, doctor did not say I had a fat She

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:31.320
<v Speaker 2>said you. She said I had a quite a wide

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 2>which is different. Not what's going to happen to me now.

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>I have a really small following on social media, but

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 2>not because you said this. They're gonna be all these

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 2>weird tongue people coming at me because of you.

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I get foot fetish people because my last name's foot.

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I've always been a target. No, I'm serious.

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:50.080
<v Speaker 2>I went on a date once with a guy who

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 2>had it was weird.

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't weird. We're not king shaming.

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 2>No, well, it was weird. It would. Let me tell you.

0:38:57.440 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you how I love it.

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Send me photos of your feet. You'm not worried.

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Boy, you have opened it now.

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I have nothing I haven't seen before. I actually I

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of want to send them in and I'll throw

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 1>a photo of your foot up on the show next week.

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Most foot, not my foot. Oh that's oh okay, strangers

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:18.760
<v Speaker 1>strangers on the internet.

0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought you.

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Nothing scares me. I'm more afraid of the swifties. Anyway.

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>What did your doctors say to you? Oh?

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 2>So just this generally, I sort of feel when I

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:36.959
<v Speaker 2>said this already, but I had my annual physical and

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:41.439
<v Speaker 2>my doctor said to me that they doctors are now

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 2>are being pressured to use AI in their and their

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 2>appointments to record the appointment. So usually your doctor takes notes.

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>They covered this on the PIT on an episode of

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.800
<v Speaker 1>the Pit, she starts recording the Yeah.

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so my doctor refuses to do it. Good, But

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 2>she wanted me to know that they doctors from on

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:08.720
<v Speaker 2>high are being pressured to use it because they're saying

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:11.799
<v Speaker 2>that it'll it'll cut time because your doctor does notes.

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 2>And then I guess at the end of the day

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 2>or the end of the week they do like they

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 2>have to like.

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Recap it your it's.

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Recording the session.

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who gets that like that.

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly what she was saying. And she's saying

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:29.879
<v Speaker 2>right now, they're not making them do it, but they

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:32.800
<v Speaker 2>want them to do it, and that she's also telling

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 2>me that she wanted me to know that the doctor

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 2>is obligated to tell you, the patient that this is

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 2>happening for now. And I was like, oh, is it

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.200
<v Speaker 2>like at the front desk they're telling you. She was like, no,

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:48.760
<v Speaker 2>the doctor has to say to you. Is it okay

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:50.839
<v Speaker 2>with you if I record this and that it gets

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:53.239
<v Speaker 2>transcribed by AI and you can say yes or no,

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 2>and if you say no and they do it anyway,

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:56.480
<v Speaker 2>and that is mal practice?

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:57.279
<v Speaker 1>Interesting?

0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, she was really she was fit to be tied.

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 2>As they say.

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:02.959
<v Speaker 1>I went to the doctor and he didn't take any

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 1>notes and he wasn't typing. And now I'm like, was

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 1>he recording that?

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:11.319
<v Speaker 2>According to my doctor? He had to tell you.

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I am the worst lawyer though, and I will just

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:16.320
<v Speaker 1>sign anything, So it's totally possible that I signed something.

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 2>They had to tell you verbally. Oh that question. I

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:21.319
<v Speaker 2>was like, is this something that i'm because you know

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:23.359
<v Speaker 2>we all do this, right You go to the doctor

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 2>and you're just like, well, cook a cook, and then

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.319
<v Speaker 2>you just sign your life away. And she said, no,

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:30.760
<v Speaker 2>they have to tell you verbally, That's what she said.

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:34.319
<v Speaker 1>I found a weird lawsuit that was around space cause

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 1>spaces in the news, and I wanted to sort of

0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 1>bring it to you. It's from aw it's from a

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.720
<v Speaker 1>while ago, but it's Florida versus Noak, where.

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 2>It happens in Florida. Sorry, Florida.

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:48.760
<v Speaker 1>When I was reviewing the case, I was like fucking Florida, man,

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Shit always happens in Florida. But she was a Navy

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 1>captain and NASA astronaut, and she worked with this man

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:03.000
<v Speaker 1>William and they began a romantic relationship at NASA. Yeah,

0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 1>love and space.

0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 3>It was very cute until it wasn't anymore.

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Until I mean, most lawsuits, if you're ending up in

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 1>criminal court, something.

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Happened where something went awry.

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 1>No one's in criminal court because they are just in love.

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 1>But their relationship developed during long training hours, simulations, and travel,

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and it was romantic yet inconsistent was how it was described,

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:31.839
<v Speaker 1>so complicated by distance schedules. One person's in orbit, one

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 1>person's not, one person's at the International Space Station. But

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 1>no one really acknowledged the relationship at NASA, which I

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 1>thought was interesting that there was no real like precedent

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:46.840
<v Speaker 1>for romantic relationships in NASA.

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>In other words, whether or not it was okay or

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:53.120
<v Speaker 2>not okay to have a relationship. Yeah, which is interesting.

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Strange, mean, because most companies have some sort of policy.

0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 2>How long ago are we talking?

0:42:57.760 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>I think this was what yere was the scene I

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 1>think was two thousand and seven.

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.919
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, so yeah, with the past. Within the past

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty years or so.

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there have been other romantic relationships that NASA.

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>This wasn't like the first one.

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Sure, but maybe it's the first one that went so bad.

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 1>It did kind of go bad, actually, so William, the

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:20.280
<v Speaker 1>gentleman in the relationship, William o'falan, He later started dating

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Colleen Shipman, who was an Air Force captain. So it

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 1>was sort of like this love triangle. We've got Lisa,

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.800
<v Speaker 1>We've got Colleen, and we have William.

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Good old Billy. Billy's the guy. Remember what I was

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:36.359
<v Speaker 2>talking about the other day about every woman has a

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 2>man in her life that drives them crazy.

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Billy, Oh thought going to say, yours was a guy

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 1>named Billy. No, it wasn't, because I was going to

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:44.760
<v Speaker 1>say lightning doesn't strike twe.

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.720
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no no to Billy's no. Yeah.

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Lisa struggled a lot because Billy started dating Colleen and

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 1>there was a little bit of uh. There was frequent

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.719
<v Speaker 1>communication after they broke up, and that was sort of

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 1>what was in the case and the prosecutors sort of

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:08.800
<v Speaker 1>presented was these consistent, constant communications over a lot of emails,

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and she was emailing Billy pretending to be Colleen.

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:18.799
<v Speaker 2>And he was falling for it, yeah, which is like,

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:19.840
<v Speaker 2>come on, Billy.

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>It's also like not to victim blame, but.

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Like no, no, not to victim blame.

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 1>But but also it's two thousand and six er thousand. What

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 1>was email like back then? That she could make up

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 1>an email? Was it easier to fall for it? Maybe?

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:36.719
<v Speaker 2>I guess so. But also was he not speaking to

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Colleen to know that?

0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:44.360
<v Speaker 2>She starts, she's so, now you're having these conversations with Colleen,

0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:47.520
<v Speaker 2>but really Lisa over email? But are you also seeing

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Colleen and referring back to the email? She's like, what

0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 2>are you talking about?

0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 1>It reminded me that we used to have conversations on email.

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember this?

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes? I do.

0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:57.759
<v Speaker 1>I totally forgot about it. Yeah, yeah, but I would

0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:01.319
<v Speaker 1>say up until like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:03.319
<v Speaker 2>Whenever cell phones became a thing.

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Whenever that is, the cell phones were a thing then, but.

0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Like like smartphones, because remember if you had a Nokia,

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 2>you were like pressing the seven.

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Nine word, you're pressing, you can only do it. Yeah,

0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:18.799
<v Speaker 1>I do sometimes miss a BlackBerry where you could just

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 1>like type under the table where you had like.

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 2>The keyboard my BlackBerry.

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I was.

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:25.000
<v Speaker 2>I held on to it for a.

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Long as long as you could. Yeah, But no, I

0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 1>was just thinking about like people who had conversations over

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:33.560
<v Speaker 1>email back then, and how we don't do that anymore,

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 1>no at all. Now it's like I need this thing?

0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Is my email? Or an email I get is like

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:41.279
<v Speaker 1>I need this thing, and it's like here it is.

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Well, now I think we're just using email for

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 2>work less personal, right.

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Because and marketing and shopping.

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:51.200
<v Speaker 2>And shopping correct.

0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 1>And now we're just all texting.

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:55.800
<v Speaker 1>So that was not the case in two thousand and

0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:59.840
<v Speaker 1>six because Lisa was pretending to be Colleen and she

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:04.840
<v Speaker 1>learned somehow that Colleen was flying to Orlando to visit William,

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 1>and while she was visiting, it triggered a sort of

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:15.480
<v Speaker 1>like now or never mindset and Lisa thought that she

0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>could confront and persuade William to sort of leave Colleen

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.280
<v Speaker 1>for her. And this is all in like court transcripts.

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:24.879
<v Speaker 2>Let this be a lesson. If you have to do that,

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:27.720
<v Speaker 2>I know, if you have to like beg and plead

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.840
<v Speaker 2>and cajole somebody to be with you, then you don't.

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever done that to a man. I will.

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll go on the record and say that I have

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 1>been dumped and not accepted it for like some time.

0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:42.279
<v Speaker 1>But I wasn't like contacting.

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:46.680
<v Speaker 2>No, I wasn't. I was despondent, but like not, I.

0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Was like confused that I was like, well, what do

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:50.360
<v Speaker 1>you mean it was so great?

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't confused. I wasn't confused. I was sad, right,

0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like clear eyed, but like not wanting to

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 2>reach out to the person, but like, rather, that's not

0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:05.399
<v Speaker 2>what I do. I would I am. I was more

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:13.320
<v Speaker 2>of a stay home, covers over my head, e pizza.

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Pizza, Yeah, yeah, I did. I did that. But then

0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 1>I think I also got drunk and like called him, oh, like.

0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:21.320
<v Speaker 2>A drunk call. Yeah, drunk called.

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I'm pretty extroverted, so it was.

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm not Yeah, oh white people very much.

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You know, there's always the one that gets away.

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:31.640
<v Speaker 1>We all want to be the one who gets away.

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:36.280
<v Speaker 1>I've gotten away, but I've also got been gotten away from.

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fine. I'm never sorry.

0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:42.840
<v Speaker 1>And eventually you get to a to Colleen. Yes, Colleen,

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:46.520
<v Speaker 1>so she confronts her. She's wearing she packed her car

0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:49.719
<v Speaker 1>with items and decided to confront William in Orlando and

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:51.800
<v Speaker 1>drove from Texas.

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Wearing adult diapers so that she wouldn't have to stop.

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:55.160
<v Speaker 2>And that is dedication.

0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:58.800
<v Speaker 1>And she admitted to the adult diapers.

0:47:58.880 --> 0:47:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Later, like the police were like, we didn't find any

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:04.279
<v Speaker 1>evidence of this. She came forward and wanted to let

0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:06.719
<v Speaker 1>us know that she was wearing diapers while she was

0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>driving to Florida to confront them. You won't catch me

0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:13.800
<v Speaker 1>admitting to being DipEd up. That would never be something

0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:16.880
<v Speaker 1>that I would tell anyone. But you know, live your truth.

0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:20.319
<v Speaker 1>Love seeing that people are, you know, saying the quiet

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 1>part out loud. But she drove alone, drove straight rather

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 1>than flying. She arrived in Orlando just as the flight

0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:30.919
<v Speaker 1>was landing, so she really had this like planned out

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:35.759
<v Speaker 1>and waited in the airport parking area. And it's described

0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 1>as a brief confrontation in court transcripts. But she pepper

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:44.920
<v Speaker 1>sprays Colleen kind of attacks them, which was later used.

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 1>She was charged with battery. And this case, the legal

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:50.840
<v Speaker 1>precedent for this case really comes down to the mensraa,

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.680
<v Speaker 1>which we talk about a lot, but it's like how

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 1>much mensraa do you need and how much of an

0:48:56.080 --> 0:49:00.719
<v Speaker 1>actual act. Do you need to charge someone with attempted murder? Right,

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:03.279
<v Speaker 1>So we need to have the mensraa to want to

0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 1>commit the crime, but we also need like a significant step.

0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 1>So prosecutors were trying to say that her driving all

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the way from Texas was the step towards the commission

0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:17.799
<v Speaker 1>of the crime, the crime being attempted murder, but they

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.640
<v Speaker 1>ended up playing it out and negotiating because the evidence

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:23.040
<v Speaker 1>was so weak. There's so many things that someone could

0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:25.880
<v Speaker 1>be thinking or going through on a drive from Texas

0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 1>to Florida. Sure like there was no documentation of the

0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:32.800
<v Speaker 1>mental state other than the fact that she.

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Wanted anybody messages or say anything.

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, right, And so the defense was like, this was

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:41.480
<v Speaker 1>just like emotional distress. It wasn't intent to commit murder.

0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>There was a bbgun that she had, She brought a

0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>bbgun pistol with her, But what did they argue? They

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 1>argued it was intent to terrorize or was it they

0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:56.280
<v Speaker 1>were doing it? They argued that she brought a bbgun pistol.

0:49:56.360 --> 0:50:01.439
<v Speaker 1>The defense said it was to scare them rather than

0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:05.440
<v Speaker 1>actually harm because can you you can't kill someone with

0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a BB gun, can you?

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:09.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't know I mean maybe if you like, stick

0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:11.160
<v Speaker 2>it in their ear or something like. Do you know

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, You have to really attempt to.

0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:16.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess everything's a weapon.

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:17.839
<v Speaker 2>I think anything can be a weapon.

0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:19.560
<v Speaker 1>That's what they said us in middle school. They said

0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:20.720
<v Speaker 1>a pen could be a weapon.

0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.080
<v Speaker 2>It can if I stick it in your eyes, that'll

0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 2>smart some, won't it.

0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Saying like you know, that was such a harmony granger

0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 1>thing to say, like it'll small a bit, it's a

0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 1>bit small and stick this pen in your eye anyway,

0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:44.239
<v Speaker 1>So she brought cash and prepaid items. Some messages were

0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:47.760
<v Speaker 1>described as confessional and fixated. The b begun was described

0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:51.680
<v Speaker 1>as realistic looking, raising fear, even though it wasn't lethal.

0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:56.040
<v Speaker 1>So investigators found no evidence of alcohol or drugs. And

0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:58.560
<v Speaker 1>this was so it wasn't really like impairment wasn't a

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:01.960
<v Speaker 1>part of the case. But psych evaluations also showed no

0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:03.839
<v Speaker 1>psychosis that this was right.

0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:08.759
<v Speaker 2>So it sounds like she did all this stuff seemingly

0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:14.399
<v Speaker 2>while maybe upset, but stone cold, sober and not out

0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:17.280
<v Speaker 2>of her mind right, and was very like dedicated.

0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:21.960
<v Speaker 1>It was emotional distress. Yes, it was an obsessive fixation,

0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:25.239
<v Speaker 1>is how I would characterize it if I were the

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:29.560
<v Speaker 1>defense attorney and the victim escaped by locking Colleen escapes,

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:31.480
<v Speaker 1>she locks herself in her car and drives away. So

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Colleen was able to get away after getting Pepper spreed.

0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:40.080
<v Speaker 1>William's hands are like inexplicably clean in this which not

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 1>to victim blame, but we know through personal experiences how

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 1>men can make us crazy, right, you said last episode

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:51.160
<v Speaker 1>every woman has a man.

0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:52.479
<v Speaker 2>I do feel that way.

0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.280
<v Speaker 1>I agree, Yeah, I have one and all my friends

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 1>have one.

0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:56.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:51:56.080 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I'm like, huh, this is one of those situations,

0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:02.920
<v Speaker 1>like we have a woman who seems to have been

0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:06.120
<v Speaker 1>driven to the brink of madness. Yeah, made a significant

0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:09.360
<v Speaker 1>step to commit a crime, was accused of and convicted

0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:13.600
<v Speaker 1>of a crime. We have no information about what transpired

0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:16.960
<v Speaker 1>in that relationship, right, Like what was that Like, what

0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:21.000
<v Speaker 1>did she go through? What was that breakup? Like was

0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:23.480
<v Speaker 1>he cheating on with her with Colin? I mean, I

0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:25.480
<v Speaker 1>really don't want to be the one who's like he

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:28.239
<v Speaker 1>had to come in And that's not me saying that.

0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:29.200
<v Speaker 2>No, I just don't.

0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:32.320
<v Speaker 1>We don't know anything. All we have is the reaction.

0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:35.560
<v Speaker 1>We don't have the action of what actually happened in

0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:36.799
<v Speaker 1>the relationship.

0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:40.960
<v Speaker 2>What he promised her, what she understood it to be, yes, yeah.

0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:45.560
<v Speaker 1>And just knowing history of the world, there usually is

0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.479
<v Speaker 1>something so that is like prejudicing me as I read

0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 1>this right.

0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Like some sort of a gas lighting situation, right, yeah,

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:54.600
<v Speaker 2>or like a little bit.

0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Like that, or like some are like I've dated guys

0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 1>where they're always like looking at the hot guy over

0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:02.440
<v Speaker 1>your shoulder, like you're talking to them and they're like

0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:05.320
<v Speaker 1>this looking over your shoulders.

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:11.759
<v Speaker 3>Disrespect at the nets and it's like I'm not fucking

0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:13.480
<v Speaker 3>good enough, or just dump me and go hit it,

0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.560
<v Speaker 3>like I don't know why not just so I don't know,

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what.

0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:20.960
<v Speaker 1>The tea was. It seems like we we need to

0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:24.440
<v Speaker 1>hear what the tea was from her. But Peppersford was

0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:27.520
<v Speaker 1>the only item actually used during their encounter, so they

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 1>were able to sort of like attempt charges really hinge

0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:35.719
<v Speaker 1>on proximity, and prosecutors worried that a jury might overreact

0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 1>to like the astronaut status. The fact that she was

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:43.279
<v Speaker 1>an astronaut actually helped the defense and they would say,

0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:46.200
<v Speaker 1>rather than like looking at the law, that her being

0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:49.640
<v Speaker 1>an astronaut actually like gave a lot more credibility because

0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:52.800
<v Speaker 1>she had gone through that crazy intense training. Because it

0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:55.279
<v Speaker 1>is like a status thing. There are so few, like

0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:58.480
<v Speaker 1>how many astronauts do you know? I know zero? So

0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 1>defense counsel quietly benefited from the fact that she had

0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:05.120
<v Speaker 1>so much status associated with her Air Force status as

0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:07.120
<v Speaker 1>well as astronauts.

0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:08.839
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure they listened to her record and if

0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:13.680
<v Speaker 2>she had sort of been not behaving in this way

0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:17.200
<v Speaker 2>in the past, that would be like something must have happened, right,

0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:19.280
<v Speaker 2>and they were able to use that to her benefit.

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Did she go to jail?

0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:22.800
<v Speaker 1>She did so, she oh, she did go to jail.

0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:26.280
<v Speaker 1>So the plea deal avoided a jury trial that NASA.

0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:28.799
<v Speaker 1>NASA really I mean, NASA is the other part in this.

0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:31.800
<v Speaker 1>They really wanted to avoid a jury trial because it

0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 1>would have made all over headlines. Even just the attempted

0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:38.480
<v Speaker 1>act of one of their officers doing this got so

0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:39.480
<v Speaker 1>much media attention.

0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Now they really like and they also interviewed other astronauts

0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 2>because apparently it was having a really negative impact on

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:48.120
<v Speaker 2>morale at NASA, which is interesting. I don't think I

0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:51.799
<v Speaker 2>would have thought about that, like why maybe because what

0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.279
<v Speaker 2>we were saying, how many astronauts are there right, and

0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 2>they probably, I mean I don't know, probably all know

0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:57.359
<v Speaker 2>each other.

0:54:57.480 --> 0:54:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Imnity.

0:54:58.160 --> 0:55:01.080
<v Speaker 2>There's a community and it's a small.

0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:03.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like a small elite community. Imagine, so for one

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:07.839
<v Speaker 1>person from that community to sort of be a mal

0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 1>actor I could imagine was.

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:11.520
<v Speaker 2>What was she charged with?

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:14.319
<v Speaker 1>So she didn't actually serve any prison sentence. She spent

0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:18.040
<v Speaker 1>two days in jail after the encounter, but then she

0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:20.399
<v Speaker 1>had a year of probation after that because she pled

0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:22.560
<v Speaker 1>out just to the assault, the battery charge.

0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:28.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she also lost her her astronaut pension eligibility, which

0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:29.120
<v Speaker 2>is a big deal.

0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:31.799
<v Speaker 1>That's got to suck. Yeah, I'm sure that's like a

0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:33.440
<v Speaker 1>major any pension.

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Any pension that you lose because you she invested all

0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:40.560
<v Speaker 2>that time and training. I wonder, I wonder where she

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:43.320
<v Speaker 2>is now. I wonder how she is honestly.

0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Truly, Like it seems like one of these situations where

0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:49.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like you go through something really tough. Yeah, you

0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:52.760
<v Speaker 1>have a shit experience with a guy, You make some mistakes,

0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:56.719
<v Speaker 1>like we have all done that drunk dial gone through

0:55:56.719 --> 0:56:00.319
<v Speaker 1>a guy's phone because we were suspicious, Like I've all

0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:02.839
<v Speaker 1>taken some sort of step, maybe not as extreme as

0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:04.680
<v Speaker 1>this one. This is extreme, but it does. I don't know.

0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:06.200
<v Speaker 1>I was like reading it and I was like, I

0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:10.279
<v Speaker 1>feel really empathetic towards this person like this that had

0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:13.840
<v Speaker 1>to go through this, and this was something that I

0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:16.479
<v Speaker 1>don't know, there was just something like really sympathetic about

0:56:16.480 --> 0:56:18.880
<v Speaker 1>it where I was like, damn, Like I read a

0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:22.720
<v Speaker 1>lot about crime and punishment and I'm like, I don't

0:56:22.760 --> 0:56:25.319
<v Speaker 1>really know what was happening there, but this one, I

0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:27.560
<v Speaker 1>was like, I actually do kind of know what was happening.

0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, because it feels like if we're just

0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:33.600
<v Speaker 2>sort of reading this and trying to understand, it feels

0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:37.319
<v Speaker 2>like she had some sort of an emotional break right yeah,

0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:41.040
<v Speaker 2>where she felt, whether it's true or not, she felt

0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:44.759
<v Speaker 2>that maybe this man had promised her something or she

0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:48.279
<v Speaker 2>felt like the relationship was promising in some way and

0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:52.759
<v Speaker 2>felt like, well, why couldn't he love me? Like I'm

0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:54.640
<v Speaker 2>going to make him love me. I'm going to show

0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:58.799
<v Speaker 2>him how wonderful I am, and I'm going to go

0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:01.520
<v Speaker 2>do all these things. That's That's not how you get

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:04.480
<v Speaker 2>someone to want to be with you. It's just not Michael,

0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:06.040
<v Speaker 2>don't do that anymore.

0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Could I'm still figuring out how I get someone I

0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:09.960
<v Speaker 1>want to be with me. My own husband is like,

0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 1>when are you leaving?

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:13.200
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm serious.

0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:16.640
<v Speaker 2>He's not telling the truth. He's really I know that

0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:21.040
<v Speaker 2>he's not telling the truth. This a cry for help, folks.

0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:25.720
<v Speaker 1>This has been under oath. We'll be right back. This

0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:27.560
<v Speaker 1>is Tells from the DMS. We're going to talk about

0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:29.560
<v Speaker 1>all the things you send me in my DMS. I'm

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:31.920
<v Speaker 1>going to answer all your questions. Remember, if you have

0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:34.360
<v Speaker 1>a question, go to my link tree on any of

0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 1>my social media's and go to speak Pipe is the

0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:40.440
<v Speaker 1>link and you can record your voice and we'll play

0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:40.920
<v Speaker 1>it on the air.

0:57:41.080 --> 0:57:43.720
<v Speaker 2>And remember everyone, while Michael is a lawyer, he's not

0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:47.280
<v Speaker 2>your lawyer. So everything that you hear here, that you

0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.880
<v Speaker 2>hear here, yeah, here here, everything that you hear here

0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:54.560
<v Speaker 2>is for entertainment purposes only.

0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:56.760
<v Speaker 1>She's been to platform nine and three quarters. You can

0:57:56.800 --> 0:57:59.240
<v Speaker 1>tell here here, here here. All right, this is our

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<v Speaker 1>first question and we're going to keep it anonymous as always,

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<v Speaker 1>don't give us any identifying information. Hit it CJ, Hey, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>this is well.

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<v Speaker 4>This is someone just a briefcase. I was deported for

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<v Speaker 4>an aggravated felony. I snumped back in the country, and

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<v Speaker 4>now I'm in this dilemma. What could I do. I've

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<v Speaker 4>heard of waivers being.

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<v Speaker 2>Asked for.

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<v Speaker 4>As a forgiveness waiver and readjusted while I'm inside. Or

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<v Speaker 4>would you suggest, based on what's going on, to just

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<v Speaker 4>go back to my home country and and perhaps just

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<v Speaker 4>waited out. Something interesting that I saw was that, well

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<v Speaker 4>I was in a detention center in Louisiana, people were

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<v Speaker 4>bar from any sort of immigration benefit for three, five

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<v Speaker 4>and ten years. I did not see a twenty year

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<v Speaker 4>or a permanent bar. My question is, in my documents,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no limit. There's nothing saying that I'm forbidden from

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<v Speaker 4>applying or bar from applying for any type of immigration benefit.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no time frame. And so I'm wondering if due

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<v Speaker 4>to the aggravated aggravated felony, is it that I'm bar

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<v Speaker 4>permanently or could you maybe help me out with with

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<v Speaker 4>my question?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, that's a lot, Yeah, he has a lot going on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's there's there are a lot of things he's talks

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<v Speaker 1>about that are kind of insider baseball, like aggravated felony

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<v Speaker 1>is like a classification and immigration law for certain types

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<v Speaker 1>of felonies. They're a big deal in the South Southern States.

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<v Speaker 1>Certain things like you know, threatening someone while using they

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<v Speaker 1>call it like terroristic threats, and it's like, go, fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna fucking kill you is like considered a terroristic threat,

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<v Speaker 1>which we New Yorkers use every day on subway, but

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<v Speaker 1>certain things get classified. I don't know what the crime was,

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<v Speaker 1>but if he's basically to answer your question, anonymous, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were convicted of an aggravated felony, it bars most

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<v Speaker 1>pathways for immigration forward, so like you can't get asylum.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really hard to overturn you would and I understand

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<v Speaker 1>what he was saying. So the waivers that he's talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>there are these certain bands on X number of years

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<v Speaker 1>if you've been deported with if you've been here illegally

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<v Speaker 1>and you get deported, there are certain number of years

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<v Speaker 1>that you're banned from re entry. So that's what he's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of talking about. So it's usually like I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's one hundred and eighty days to a year. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the band is like a year once you've deported

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<v Speaker 1>and you're coming back in because this person re entered.

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<v Speaker 1>That is sort of what he's talking about. He learned

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<v Speaker 1>about that in detention from other migrants.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's say he went back to his country. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the United States doesn't necessarily know that he's here. Could

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<v Speaker 2>he go back home and reapply to come into the

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<v Speaker 2>unit or is that so?

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<v Speaker 1>That is a great question. The problem with that is

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<v Speaker 1>that if you have an aggravated felony conviction, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>is going to bar you from most avenues of the entry.

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<v Speaker 2>No matter what, no matter what.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's probably why he had to come back illegally crossed.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he didn't have to come back, have to,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, there were choices that were made.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, great clarification. Couldn't come back legally?

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<v Speaker 2>Correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that great clarification? But yeah, So the bottom line

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<v Speaker 1>is really like aggravated felony pulus a legal re entry

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<v Speaker 1>usually as a permanent bar.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, okay, period, do you think there is any scenario

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<v Speaker 2>where the reason he committed the what was it, the

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<v Speaker 2>aggravated felony would impact his ability to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>We always talk about this like there's always something you

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<v Speaker 1>can do as a lawyer, right, Like, there's always like

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<v Speaker 1>an appeal, there's always the habeast and there's that there's

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<v Speaker 1>always a lawyer who can find something to attempt. If

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<v Speaker 1>this person were like, you must do something, Michael, I

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<v Speaker 1>would challenge that felony charge. I would find a way

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<v Speaker 1>to appeal that charge, and I would try and get

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<v Speaker 1>that overturn because that's going to free up everything else, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because every other immigration pathway it is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>blocked just by having that decision ruled against your So

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<v Speaker 1>that is what I would do, is I would, if

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<v Speaker 1>if you were like, Michael, you have to do something,

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<v Speaker 1>challenge the aggravated felony and get that overturned because that'll

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<v Speaker 1>at least open up some avenues because otherwise, no, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no forgiveness waiver, that's not that doesn't apply. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>like waiting it out when it cut like that. Those

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<v Speaker 1>charges are on the books. So unless you get that overturned,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing else you can really do. So thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for your question, like, thank you for your honesty. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a really interesting one.

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<v Speaker 4>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>I do a lot of work with people who've been

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<v Speaker 1>accused of crimes who then are trying to face the

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<v Speaker 1>immigration process, and you can have I had someone who

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<v Speaker 1>had twelve criminal convictions, Okay, none of them were aggravated felonies, though. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they were all like drug possession misdemeanors, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to get that person's status. I got them LPR.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called LPR cancelation, okay, because but if even one

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<v Speaker 1>of them was considered an aggravated felony, No, that pathway

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<v Speaker 1>is not an option.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>We recently were contacted by PETA, which is how we

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<v Speaker 1>know we made it in the biz, and I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to turn the mic over to Melissa, who has a

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<v Speaker 1>prepared statement. As a bober Truther, it's important for me

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<v Speaker 1>to be open and honest and create dialogue on this

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<v Speaker 1>show for all opinions. So I'm going to turn the

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<v Speaker 1>micro ver to Melissa, who wants to respond to Peter's

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<v Speaker 1>Peter reached out with concerns because we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>for and how Melissa likes to thrift and buy vintage

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<v Speaker 1>furs from animals that it's not new fur. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to turn it over to her, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to say nothing else because I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get canceled.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, anyway, shout out to Peter. It was a really

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<v Speaker 2>kind letter, and I appreciate the information that you gave us.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically what said first said that he wanted to thank

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<v Speaker 2>us for because Michael and I had said in our

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<v Speaker 2>last episode that we were not interested in buying any

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<v Speaker 2>new for those kinds of things, but that he also

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<v Speaker 2>wanted us to know that. And I think he says

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<v Speaker 2>I want to quote him here. He says that we

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to share that. Unfortunately, whether someone is wearing FIR

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<v Speaker 2>made in twenty twenty six or nineteen twenty six, it

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<v Speaker 2>still sends the same message to others that it's okay

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<v Speaker 2>to exploit and kill animals for the sake of fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>I have said this before and I will continue to

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<v Speaker 2>say this. I'm always willing to be educated. I'm always

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<v Speaker 2>willing to have a conversation or a dialogue with somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really appreciate the way that Peter reached out

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<v Speaker 2>to us. I'm actually very touched by the message. Also

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<v Speaker 2>said that if I guess Michael or I or anyone

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<v Speaker 2>is interested in donating there for items that there's a

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<v Speaker 2>space for that, I will put that in my social media. Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>will you put it in your show? And I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to reach back out to you. I have two pieces

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<v Speaker 2>that I am willing to donate and everything else that

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<v Speaker 2>you've said I will absolutely keep that under advisement, and

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<v Speaker 2>once again, I really appreciate you guys reaching out to us.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say that I think it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>wear and buy vintage for as long as it appears vintage, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're buying a fur coat that looks brand new,

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<v Speaker 1>you're propagating sort of.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I disagree with that, Okay, So I do think

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<v Speaker 2>there's a difference in purchasing vintage fur. I do. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's like I said, I would never buy something new.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that it matters that it looks vintage.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess everyone is cool not buying new fur. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter if it looks vintage, right, because like if

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<v Speaker 1>we're walking around wearing fur and like we look really

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<v Speaker 1>hot and then someone sees this and it's like wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I love for I also want to buy fur, but

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<v Speaker 1>that person knows I'm not going to buy new fur.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we should be killing minks. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>go to an estates own and buy a thrifted fur coat.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's like it doesn't have to be one

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<v Speaker 1>or the other, as long as people are aware and

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<v Speaker 1>informed that don't buy new fur. Yeah, and let's have

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<v Speaker 1>like a really hot market on the secondary market for

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<v Speaker 1>vintage fur. I think that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it needs to be one or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think you can buy new first, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I don't support that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I agree with that. I understand why people object

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<v Speaker 2>to for whether it is vintage or new. My feeling

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<v Speaker 2>about vintage fur is that that is a deed that

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<v Speaker 2>has been done probably before we were born, sure, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and if we dispose of it, so it is either

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<v Speaker 2>going to end up in a landfill or it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be destroyed in some way. I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 2>else could happen with fur that already exists. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>for me, that's the difference I think about.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom donated my eyas for to the animal shelter

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<v Speaker 1>and the pets all slept on it. That is something

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<v Speaker 1>you can donate it. But I think that like the

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<v Speaker 1>difference between what does that do?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm genuinely curious.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it does anything. I think it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like an ethical way to dispose.

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<v Speaker 2>Of first you don't want, okay, because.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother was like, I'm never gonna wear the ears. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I guess like, I'm okay, I'm okay with vintage

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<v Speaker 1>for it, but I am like open to being corrected,

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<v Speaker 1>like as always if you've got a strong argument, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take it, I'll learn, I'll grow, I'll apologize and like,

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<v Speaker 1>but from where I say right now, knowing that what

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<v Speaker 1>I know, which I think is enough mm hm, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it's okay to have to buy vintage for

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<v Speaker 1>and wear it is okay to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Same but again, always open to have the conversation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Get on the record, message us, you can email us

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<v Speaker 1>brief recess at exactly rightmedia dot com and like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>have the debate. Like I'm I'm actually open to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really I don't think I buy any first.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's like it's absolutely zero stakes for me,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm curious to hear because I could be persuaded.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's have the debate. Let's do it. Yeah, I will say,

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<v Speaker 1>as someone who people contact me on the internet all

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<v Speaker 1>the time with the craziest fucking shit, this was a

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<v Speaker 1>very nice letters was it was really nice?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, pact people.

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<v Speaker 1>Call me names. They oh they the swifties are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to dox me, Peter was I have to say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they get a bad rap. This was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>nicest emails I've kind of gotten.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really so. And like I said, we really appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you listening, We appreciate you reaching out, and you will

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<v Speaker 2>hear from me this week for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been tales from the DMS. Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been Brief Recess.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Michael Foot, Melissa Albrant.

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