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Speaker 1: Hey, this is An and Samantha and welcome to stuff.

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Speaker 1: I ever sold your production of I Heart Radio. All right, Anny,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a question about your personal history.

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Speaker 1: You're ready, Oh my gosh. Yes, you should not be scared.

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Speaker 1: Can you remember the first time you were on any

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Speaker 1: social media site and when you actually became a member? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I The first time I was on any social media

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Speaker 1: site was Twitter two thousand seven. It was required by

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Speaker 1: a student organization I was in, but I didn't tweet

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Speaker 1: for the first time until I believe a wow. So

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Speaker 1: Twitter was your first encounter. Yes, Facebook was second, and

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Speaker 1: two thousand nine because I just got back from Australia

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Speaker 1: and everybody was like, well, how are you going to

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Speaker 1: share your pictures? And then I posted that and then

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Speaker 1: again did not like look at it for many years.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. Why did you So you got onto Facebook

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Speaker 1: specifically for pictures, sharing pictures and staying in touch with people? Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: And then when did you get on Instagram? Instagram? I

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Speaker 1: think I got on for work. Actually, yeah, so probably

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Speaker 1: like pretty recent Instagram that long. So yeah, So today

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Speaker 1: we wanted to talk specifically about what's happening in Egypt.

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Speaker 1: And the reason we're talking about social media is because

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Speaker 1: the me too movement, the hashtag me too movement has

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Speaker 1: some much needed conversation about sexual violence in Egypt. And

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Speaker 1: we've talked about it before. We've talked about all the

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Speaker 1: different movements that are happening and why it's so important

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Speaker 1: that we look at those. Um So, we've been highlighting

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Speaker 1: a few of the countries and some of the big

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Speaker 1: Um and today again we want to talk about each

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Speaker 1: and what some have been calling the feminist revolution. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: in after collecting several statements and testimonies from one hundred

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Speaker 1: accusers and survivors on the Instagram account assault Police, an

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Speaker 1: account dedicated to fighting sexual violence in Egypt created by

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Speaker 1: twenty two year old student Nadine Ostroff, one perpetrator was

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Speaker 1: has used the hashtag made two movement to again open

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Speaker 1: to be listened to. We are just using what we have,

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Speaker 1: also opened up the parliament to passing a law giving

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Speaker 1: which is fairly new obviously. And not only has the

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Speaker 1: working to destigmatize victim blaming, which has been a consistent

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Speaker 1: of everywhere, but specifically in Egypt, is now coming as

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Speaker 1: a conversation piece about why this shouldn't be happening. A

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Speaker 1: of our previous international episodes. UM Patty wrote, I just

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Speaker 1: have been protests in Chile ever since I can remember.

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Speaker 1: you so much for taking the time to write this out, Patty.

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Speaker 1: It's very very informative. We appreciate so much getting these.

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