1 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I and Mike Spafford, joined as always 3 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: you or hear from our studios at Lambeufield to review 5 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: WES A thirty to thirteen victory on Sunday night football 6 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: at Seattle, A big one for green Bay. It gets 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: the Packers to ten and four. We'll talk about the 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: whole playoff scenarios and situations later on, but with this 9 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: win on the road against a team that was leading 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: the NFC West, this one starts with how fast the 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: Packers started. Drive for a touchdown or win the toss, 12 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: take the ball, drive for a touchdown, a third down, sack, 13 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: you get the ball back, you drive for another touchdown, 14 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: and this game will fourteen to nothing before Seattle had 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: run offensive play number six or whatever, whatever the case, 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: was a big time start on the road and that 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: carried Green Bay to a big win. 18 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: I don't think there's ever been Again, I'm not patting 19 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: us on the back. I'm just saying in terms of 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: us in a general, anybody outlining the. 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 3: Keys of victory for the Packers. 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if we've ever had an episode of 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: Final Thoughts that hit everything on the head as well 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: as this one did. The Packers checked. 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 3: Every box, Yeah, they did. 26 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: That first quarter was about as picture perfect as what 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: you could have asked for for Green Bay to start 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: a football game. And it was interesting listening to Matt 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: Lafuir talk about it after the game. You know, the 30 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: first three plays were pretty much what was scripted, and 31 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: then after that he just started riding Josh Jacobs because 32 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: Seattle couldn't stop him. 33 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you end. 34 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: Up having a ten play I think it was sixty 35 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: three yard scoring drive that finishes with the one yard 36 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: Josh Shacobs touchdown run, and for the third time this season, 37 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: he had over one hundred yards from scrimmage in the 38 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: first half, the first time since Week thirteen of last season. 39 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: The Packers scored on their back to back opening possessions, 40 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: scored touchdowns on back to back opening possessions. That stadium, Mike, 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: You've been there more times than I have. This was 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: my fourth trip to what is now known as Lumen Field. 43 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: I've been in there during the NFC Championship game in 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: the twenty fourteen to fifteen season. It can get loud, 45 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: it can get boisterous, it can be a very difficult 46 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: environment to play in, and there was no shortage of 47 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: a dozen Go Pack Go chants throughout that game from beginning, 48 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: middle and end. It wasn't perfect. There's things Green Bay 49 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: needs to clean up yet, but in terms of checking 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: every box that the Packers needed to to open up 51 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: this game, especially after a week in which Seattle had 52 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: put up seventeen points in the first quarter against Arizona, 53 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: Matt Laflour could not have been much happier with what 54 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: he saw in those first fifteen minutes. 55 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll definitely comment on the fans because, as you said, 56 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: I have been to that stadium numerous times. It had 57 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: been six years since we had been there. But I 58 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: said this an insider inbox, I have never seen a 59 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: green Bay Packer contingent that strong in that stadium before. 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: It was really something you mentioned we could we could 61 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: hear the gopak go chance in the press box. And 62 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: then when it really hit me is actually the next 63 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: day after the game, I was watching, you know, the 64 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: the full highlight package that we have on our website, 65 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: which is with the TV calls and everything like that, 66 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: and every highlight in that package where the Packers are 67 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: making a big play, you can hear the crowd through 68 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: the TV broadcast. Games in Seattle are just not are 69 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: not like that. And so hats hats off to the 70 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: Packers fans who who showed up and showed out for 71 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: that game, because that was that was really something, because 72 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: that wasn't NFC West leading a division leading Seahawks team 73 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: with a heck of a lot on the line. It's 74 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: prime time at their place late in the season, and 75 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: the Packers fans were were a big time story in 76 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: that game. 77 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: And it wasn't even like the Bear situation where they've 78 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: just unraveled and they're in this losing street that won't end. 79 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: Seattle had won four in a row going into this thing. 80 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: I want to ask you this, and we got to 81 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: get back to this game too. But the drive up 82 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: to the game, I don't know how much time or 83 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,559 Speaker 2: how much you paid attention to people in the street 84 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: as we were driving up. That was my first indicator 85 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: here that this thing is going to be different. There 86 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: was so much green and gold and so many cheeseheads 87 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: when we were just simply driving through Seattle from our 88 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: team bus trying to get into the stadium. 89 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 90 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a fairly short ride from the downtown 91 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: hotel to the stadium where I started to realize it 92 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: wes I'll be honest. Both Saturday night and during the 93 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: day on Sunday, before going to the stadium, I was 94 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: spending a lot of time with my brother in law. 95 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: He lives out lives out in Seattle, and you know, 96 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: we were kind of out and about walking around both 97 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: in the evening on Saturday as well as then during 98 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: the day on Sunday, and it started to hit me. 99 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: Even going down to the market and the waterfront. They've 100 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: done a whole nice like reconstruction, whole redevelopment of the 101 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: wor waterfront down there. Just walking around, I was seeing 102 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: so many Packer sweatshirts, Packer jackets, packer caps and stuff, 103 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: and I started to realize, maybe this game is gonna 104 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: be a little bit different. I wasn't really paying that 105 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: much attention on the bus ride. I was probably in 106 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: my phone looking at other scores of the games that 107 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: were going on whatever. But Saturday night and during the 108 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: day on Sunday, I definitely started to get a sense 109 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: like there are more Packers fans. It was the type 110 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: of thing that we had seen in La, in Jacksonville, 111 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: other places like earlier this season, not the kind of 112 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: thing we've seen in Seattle before. But I started to 113 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: get that feeling and it turned out to be true. 114 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: And I think probably what influenced me too is I 115 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: did the PEP rally the night before when you were 116 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: spending some time with family. 117 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: Yea. 118 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 2: And a great turnout for it, our packers everywhere, folks 119 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: Brandon Market did a tremendous job putting it on, but 120 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: it was being out there as well. And how many 121 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: people came up to me after the PEP rally and 122 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: talked about and this is the point I'm trying to 123 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: make with this. You know, it had been six years 124 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: since the Packers have played there. Yeah, there was a 125 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: time where the Seattle almost felt like a pseudo NFC 126 00:05:59,240 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: North team. 127 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 128 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: And there were so many people that came up to 129 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: me on the West coast saying, you know, they don't 130 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: get out to Green Bay. How excited they were that 131 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: the Packers were finally back. People from California, Oregon and 132 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: obviously Seattle and Tacoma and Washington and people showed out. Man, 133 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: that is something that I honestly, there were so many 134 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: positive things that happened in this game that needed to 135 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: be written about, need to be touched on. But I'll 136 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: tell you what, man, I was probably this close from 137 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 2: actually just doing a notebook lead on what that crowd 138 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: was like, because so many guys afterwards said it really 139 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: did feel. 140 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: Like a home game. 141 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: The amount of noepack go chance, and especially not just 142 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: like randomly when the offense was on the field, I mean, 143 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: Gino Smith and Seattle's offense had to deal with it 144 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 2: right away. The defense for Green Bay felt it. 145 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely it was. We've seen it in other places, yeah, 146 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: not in Seattle before, and that's what made this one 147 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: this one pretty special. You mentioned the opening drive ten 148 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 1: plays for the touchdown finished by Josh Jacobs. Jacobs gets 149 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: the ball on nine of the ten plays. I mean, 150 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: you talk about you talk about war course, but also, 151 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: as you said, Seattle wasn't stopping him, so the Packers were, 152 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, while he was fresh and everything, and if 153 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: the Seahawks weren't gonna be able to stop him, the 154 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: Packers were going to feed him the football. The Packers 155 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: won the battle up front. Not just with Jacobs, but 156 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: and also how they were protecting Jordan Love and Jordan 157 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: Love had a pretty clean game back there in the pocket. 158 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: Love played extraordinary and being able to establish the run 159 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: I thought really set up Jordan for a lot of 160 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: what he accomplished in this game. And when you have 161 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: those type of weapons and you establish, you know, Josh 162 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: Jacobs as a pass catcher as well early on, I 163 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: felt like that's what started to open things up for 164 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: them a little bit more. You got Jayden Reed back 165 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: involved after last week they were struggling to do that. 166 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: Some of the big plays were there again with Christian Watson, 167 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: including a defensive pass interference penalty both him and then 168 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: at the first the end of the first half with 169 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: the one that Romeo Dobbs drew. Both of those plays 170 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: were critical, even though they ultimately don't show up in 171 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: the box score, but contributed to six points and six 172 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: points that while you want to finish, those drives are 173 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: what kind of countered what Jason Myers had did with 174 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: making his two field goals for Seattle. And I don't 175 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: think enough can be said about Romeo Dobbs being able 176 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: to come back off the concussion going through the protocol, 177 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: deciding to wear the Guardian cap, wanting to be better 178 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: safe than sorry. The first touchdown, he plows through two 179 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: Seattle defenders to get into the end zone, if you said, drive, 180 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: to put his team up fourteen to nothing, and then 181 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: coming down the stretch when Green Bay was kind of 182 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 2: faltering a little bit offensively, he was able to punch 183 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: that in as well makes a tremendous catch in the 184 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: back of the end zone. Only three catches for forty yards, 185 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: but it's those type of things that you've come to 186 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 2: expect from Dobbs and Love's ability to navigate through all 187 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: that and find his right receivers, find the guys he 188 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: wanted to go to. At the football I just felt like, 189 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: and as Mattlafourt said, they're not throwing the ball as 190 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: much as they did last year. But I thought the 191 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: way that Jordan did it, I think completing seventeen of 192 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: his first nineteen in this game, it was so effective 193 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: at just managing the situations and especially early on, being 194 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: able to control the tempo of that game. 195 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I thought it was. It was a big 196 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: time performance from Dobbs coming back after missing the two 197 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: games he gets. He gets in the end zone twice 198 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: twice in very different ways, but a showcase of his 199 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: abilities both as a pass catcher and as just a 200 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: powerful athlete. And then with Christian Watson, I actually just 201 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: posted a story on our website shortly before we turned 202 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: the cameras on. Here Watson now over a five game stretch. 203 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: This is five games he is averaging like thirty yards 204 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: per catch right now, like he has become a big 205 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: play machine. Plus the long play the pass interference that 206 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: ended up being a thirty nine yard gain. I thought 207 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: Watson the way he adjusted to the ball in the 208 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: air on the sideline throw and then was able to 209 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: make the catch and ten the toes and stay in bounds, 210 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: I thought that was a tremendous play. And then not 211 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: one of the bigger plays, but a shorter play that 212 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: converted a third down where he makes the diving catch 213 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: on the extended play with love, you know, sort of 214 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: throwing a low throw to keep it away from the 215 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: defender and Watson goes down and grabs it, moves the 216 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: chains there, keeps the drive alive. Christian Watson is really 217 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: really coming into coming into his own offensively on the 218 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: defensive side. This one starts with Edger and Cooper, And 219 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: as you said, we sort of set the stage for 220 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: a lot of things that we talked about last week 221 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: going into this one, and we had talked about Cooper 222 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: being back at practice it was looking like he was 223 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: going to play, and what kind of a chess piece 224 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: that he can be for Jeff Haffley the defensive coordinator, 225 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: and how he's used in the pass rush, how he's 226 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: used dropping into coverage, and Boy edgering Cooper played a 227 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: way of a game, a super high impact game, had 228 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: the sack early, had the inner late, making other plays 229 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: in between, big time performance from the rookie who, as 230 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: everybody is saying, is just starting to scratch the surface 231 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: of the player he can become. 232 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: And as Matt Lafleur said too, it wasn't just what 233 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: he did on defense. His his first play back was 234 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: a special teams coverage tackle. He finished with two coverage 235 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: tackles in this game as well. It seems like every 236 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: time we talk about Eddrian Cooper, it when he had 237 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: some injuries early on this season, then he misses the 238 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: three games with the hamstring, but when he comes back, 239 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 2: the way this defense performs, the way they play it 240 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: is different, it looks different, it feels different, and their 241 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: ability to sprinkle him in where he plays thirty four 242 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: defensive snaps in this game. He has five tackles, two 243 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: for loss. He has two passes defense. He finishes the 244 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: interception after he drops the first one. He has the 245 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: first of seven sacks that Green Bay has defensively, when 246 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: you look for guys that are going to not only 247 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,359 Speaker 2: be explosive play makers, but really kind of energize your defense, 248 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: that's what he does with his speed, with his athleticism, 249 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: and so many times, Mike, I look at that box score, 250 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: and I look at his bio on our website and 251 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: it says six foot two, two hundred and twenty eight 252 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 2: twenty nine pounds. When you stand next to him, when 253 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: you watch him play, does he look like somebody who's 254 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: sixty to two, two hundred and thirty pounds. I would 255 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: have said he's sixty four to two forty like Kay Walker. 256 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just he. 257 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: Is just an explosive athlete. So whether he's trailing guys 258 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: in coverage, whether they're using him as that third down option, 259 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: as a potential inside linebacking Blitzer, that just the guy 260 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: continually makes plays. And now this week is up for 261 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: the NFL Rookie of the Week award, which fans can 262 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: vote on. I said it to a person on Twitter. 263 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: I believe it was either on Sunday night or it 264 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: was on Monday Days. Kind of get messed up here 265 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: with how everything's been going. Just to Tad, but he 266 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: reminds me so much right now of how dom Capers 267 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: utilize Clay in twenty fifteen, when and they were starting 268 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: to transition him back to outside linebacker, but they would 269 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: still use him as an inside option every once in 270 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: a while. You don't know where Edgrin Cooper is coming from. 271 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: You don't know where and when Jeff Hafley is going 272 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: to deploy him. Yeah, and I think that makes it 273 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: really dangerous. There will come a time where he will 274 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: be an every down player this defense. It may still 275 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: even be this season with Kwai Walker's injury coming up here, 276 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 2: but fornight right now, this guy is giving you everything 277 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 2: you could want more from a rookie second round pick. 278 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 279 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I agree with you totally that the Packers 280 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: defense just looks different when he's out there on the field. 281 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: You mentioned the seven sacks Packers continually pressuring Gino Smith 282 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: and then also backup Sam Howell. When Smith went out 283 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: of the game, he ends up He ends up leaving 284 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: the game on a pressure by Edger and Cooper. The 285 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: seven sacks kings Leannebari gets two of them of Howell 286 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: on basically on the same series, Devonte Wyatt gets a 287 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: sack Rareshaun Gary gets when Carl Brooks gets a whole 288 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: bunch of pressures. One of his pressures sets up the 289 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: Gary sack. Another one of his pressures, along with Eric Wilson, 290 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: sets up the bad throw that Carrington Valentine picks off 291 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: in the end zone. The second year corner Valentine, he 292 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: gets the first interception of his career. Couldn't have come 293 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: at a better time in a lot of ways. The 294 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: score is the score. The Packers are in control of 295 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: the game. It's seventeen to three, but you're late in 296 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: the first half. The Seahawks are going to get the 297 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: ball coming out of halftime because the Packers had elected 298 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: to receive when they won the toss at the beginning 299 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: of the game, and the Seahawks are in the red 300 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: zone on third down. You're looking at minimum it's going 301 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: to be seventeen to six, possibly seventeen to ten if 302 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: the Seahawks get a score there and Valentine reads the 303 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: sort of desperation throw toward the back corner of the 304 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: end zone. Smith is throwing off his back foot because 305 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: of the pressure from Brooks and Wilson, and he's trying 306 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: to hit Noah Fant the tight end going towards the 307 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: back corner. Williams is guarding Fan. Valentine is on Smith Jigba, 308 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: but he sees where the ball is headed and he 309 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: peels off his guy makes a leaping interception in the 310 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: end zone. Huge turning point in the game, quite frankly, 311 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: because then the Packers ended up going into halftime up 312 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: twenty to three. It was a three score game at intermission. 313 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: I wasn't able to get much into it just based 314 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: on all the content that we had going up. But 315 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: I thought Xavier McKinney was really good on this after 316 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: the game, because he talked about how a lot of 317 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: the deception they were doing with their safeties was causing 318 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: Gino Smith and then eventually Sam Howell a lot of 319 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: problems they couldn't delineate or decipher when the Packers were 320 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: in too high or single high and they got caught 321 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: in that. It almost led the first time to the 322 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: Carrington Valentine pick. 323 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 324 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: It was the play right before, right, Yeah. 325 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: And then they come back the next play and as 326 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: you said, there was so much pressure there and Gino 327 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: made a mistake. He put that thing out there, and Carrington, 328 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: much to his credit, this is the guy that still 329 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: was chasing his first as I say chasing because he 330 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: wasn't chasing, but he's still looking for his first NFL interception. Yeah, 331 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: he bounces back from what should have been, you know, 332 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: a potential definitely an interception. You know, you only know 333 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: how far he might have been able to take that 334 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: thing if he picks it off clean to being able 335 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: to bounce back the next play and get it. Matt 336 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: lefor jokingly said, well, not jokingly, he was serious, but 337 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: you know, said he wishes Carrington would have stayed in 338 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: the end zone after he intercepted it. 339 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: Takes a touch back there, young man still. 340 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: Took it back out to the fourteen, obviously excited about it. 341 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: I talked with Carrington about the play afterwards. He said 342 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: it was about darn time that he finally got that interception. 343 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: But I thought that was a really good reward for 344 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: him because this is a guy that has played a 345 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: lot of critical, important football, considering he was a seventh 346 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: round pick a year ago out of Kentucky who was 347 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: an early entrant that didn't have a ton of college 348 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: stats and it was all based on potential. And he's 349 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: come into the door and played really well for Green 350 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: Bay out of the stretch. And also, you know, not 351 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: having Gyr Alexander, you needed somebody like that to step up, 352 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: and Valentin did. 353 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was a big time play for sure. 354 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: The Packers nearly nearly dominated this game from start to finish. 355 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: It ended up that they didn't. Unfortunately, some mistakes happened 356 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: in the second half. I just want to say this 357 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: though I'm not I'm not excusing the mistakes the Packers made, 358 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: but I am really tired of the narrative out there 359 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: that Matt Lafleur supposedly just wants to sit on a lead. 360 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: And that's then and that's why these teams are always 361 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: coming back. You have to look at what happened. You know, 362 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: there was a play action, rollout, aggressive call down the 363 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: field throw Jordan Love just missed it with Romeo Dobbs 364 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: being open on the on the rollout to the right, 365 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: it happens, you know, poor execution. Throw wasn't quite there, 366 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: wasn't able to make the catch. Josh Jacobs has a 367 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: huge hole. Maybe he gets tripped by the guy on 368 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: the ground. Maybe he does, I'm not sure, but he 369 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: ends up stumbling and then the ball gets punched out 370 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: and you get eternal. A later in the fourth quarter, 371 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: a third and two, Packers go aggressive. They're gonna throw 372 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: the ball and unfortunately Jayden Reid, who is going to 373 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: be wide open because the Seahawks are totally committed to 374 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: stopping Josh Jacobs on third and two, Reid is going 375 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: to be wide open, but unfortunately he slips, falls down 376 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: on his route. The pass just falls harmlessly incomplete. The 377 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: Packers made mistakes that didn't allow them to put this 378 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: game away any earlier. But this narrative about how it 379 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: was their approach or it was the play calling or 380 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: whatever like, just stop with that nonsense. That is not 381 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: why the Seahawks got back into the game. They got 382 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: back into the game because of some mistakes the Packers made. 383 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: They were trying to be aggressive, had plays there that 384 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: could be made. They weren't made. The defense faltered once, really, 385 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: in my opinion, just faltered the one time, allowing the 386 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: Charbonnay touchdown run after after the Jacobs fumble. But then 387 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: after that the defense rose up, was getting the sacks 388 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: of how got the interception by Cooper. So the Packers 389 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: were this close, in my opinion, to completely dominating that 390 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: game from starting to finish, and they know the mistakes 391 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: they made, and quite frankly, as much as Matt Lafleur 392 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: always likes to credit the opponent, the mistakes the Packers 393 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: made and not putting this game away were just on themselves. 394 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: Yes they were one hundred percent, were just on themselves. 395 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't what the Seahawks were doing, in my opinion. 396 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 3: So this. 397 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: The way this game started, was a huge step forward 398 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Packers as they looked to make 399 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: the playoffs and try to make a playoff run. They 400 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: still know there's just that little bit more out there 401 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: for them because they did let a team back in 402 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: the game that probably shouldn't have been in the game. 403 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: Sorry for the long diatrab, I just had to get 404 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: that out there because I'm tired of the way it 405 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: has been talked about amongst this fan base in terms 406 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: of why these things happen. You just have to look 407 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: at it. 408 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 3: You have to. 409 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: Understand the facts and how things actually occur before your 410 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: criticism is worthwhile. 411 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 3: And my dad said it too after the game, I shoulday. 412 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: The day after we got back to Green Bay, I 413 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: went ate dinner with my parents and you know, he said, 414 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: he's like, you know, they played well, it's a human game, yeah, 415 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: and there's going to be for all the things that 416 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 2: went wrong for Seattle. There were a few things that 417 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: went wrong for Green Bay too. I thought what was 418 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: more important though, was how Green Bay's defense picked up 419 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: the offense in the second half when Seattle had chances. 420 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 2: You know, mostly the Packers defense held them in check. 421 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: Charbonet breaks out that twenty four years I was. 422 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: That was the one play the defense that was holding 423 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: them to field goals and getting stops. Otherwise, the one 424 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: play was the Sharboney touchdown run that got out the 425 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: back end. Other than that, I thought the Packers' defense 426 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: really held them in check for the bulk of the game. 427 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: Well, and as I said to you as we were 428 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 2: getting ready to board the plane, and I felt like, 429 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 2: you know, seven layers of hell like the Packers. Yeah, 430 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 2: Gino Smith got hurt, I get it. Sam Hall came 431 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: in and did not play well. No, but you got 432 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: to play the team that's out there. The Packers were 433 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: in a situation much like Keishawn Nixon said a few 434 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: weeks ago. I mean, they were in a spot where 435 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 2: they had to go with their backup quarterback for two 436 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: starts in a bulk of three games, and Malik Willis 437 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: got the job done. It's just the way this game 438 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: gets played. Defensively. I like what I saw though, they 439 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 2: especially that defensive front mic. I mean, I tweeted this 440 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 2: out on Monday, but the Packers very suddenly are up 441 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: to forty sacks on the season. And yeah they've had 442 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: a bulk of those happen in two games, but they're 443 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: finding ways to win, and it's multiple pass rushers. Kingsley 444 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 2: in Igbari. I mean, you cannot say enough about the 445 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: fact that he got his first two sack game in 446 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: a three play spam. You're seeing a guy like Brenton 447 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: Cox Junior, who up until the Presst Smith trade had 448 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: not played at all this season. Now he's up to 449 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: three sacks. Aaron Moseby I said this during the game. 450 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: The guy's actually a really good zone dropper. He has 451 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: multiple pass deflections now when he's dropping from the zone 452 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: coverage when they're doing some of those semi related pressure luck, which. 453 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: Is probably the biggest thing he's had to learn. Quite 454 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: frank one, hundreds of times of his transition. The college 455 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: playery was to the player that the Packers are trying 456 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: to develop him into in the NFL. 457 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 2: Keep in mind, this is the guy at one point 458 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 2: in his college career was a safety. So you're finding 459 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 2: ways to use these guys' skill sets to your advantage 460 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 2: when they've changed him into a pass rusher and things 461 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: like that. So be that as it may. The Packers 462 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: found a way to get out of Seattle with the victory. 463 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: It was a It was great being in that locker 464 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: room the first time the locker room that there has 465 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 2: been so much sadness and so many did so much disappointment, 466 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: you know, the last I'll never forget that twenty fourteen game, 467 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: you know, with Tremont Williams understanding what that meant for 468 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 2: him and where he was going to be going after that, 469 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: and guys that felt like they were right there and 470 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: didn't get it. Not that this makes up for it, no, 471 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: but for a place that the Packers hadn't won in 472 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 2: sixteen years, to play the way they did and to 473 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: finish a game thirty to thirteen over a team that 474 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: is eight and six and still in control of their 475 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: destiny for the playoffs. 476 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 3: There's a lot there to be proud of. 477 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, absolutely, I'll take care some sponsor 478 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: business here. West Sirius XMNFO Radio delivers hard hitting analysis 479 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: and up to the minute NFL news that true football 480 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: fanatics need. Twenty four to seven, three sixty five and 481 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: I had cousin subs. We have something for everyone like 482 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: our Wisconsin cheese curds, mac and cheese, golden fries, and 483 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 1: creamy shakes, all paired with your favorite sub or submonabwle 484 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: cousin subs. Fifty plus years of better all right. The 485 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: Packers are ten and four. The Buffalo Bills went into 486 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: Detroit and beat a banged up Lions team that continues 487 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: to get more banged up with each passing game, so 488 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: the Lions long winning streak is snapped. They dropped to 489 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: twelve and two Minnesota Beach Chicago on Monday night, so 490 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: they are twelve and two. So the top three teams 491 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: in the NFC West twelve and two, twelve and two, 492 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: ten and. 493 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 3: Four NFC What did I say, NFC West. 494 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: Oh, NFC North, Sorry, I was on the whole sea. 495 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 3: The Packers swept the West. Maybe that's what you were. 496 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: Saying, Yeah, something like that. Top three teams in the 497 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: NFC No. Twelve and two, twelve and two, ten and four. 498 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: What that means for green Bay is that, in the 499 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: simplest terms, the Packers are one win away from clinching 500 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: a playoff spot. If green Bay gets to eleven wins, 501 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: they are in the playoffs, regardless of anything else that happens. 502 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: So Monday Night against New Orleans, if the Packers coming 503 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: back to Lambeufield can get that win, it'll be uh, 504 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: it'll be a playoff spot secured. They can clinch a 505 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: playoff spot before Monday Night based on Sunday's results, But 506 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: it would require the Falcons losing and either the Rams 507 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: or the Seahawks also losing, would you which We'll see 508 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 1: what happens there and and we'll certainly talk we'll certainly 509 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: talk more about New Orleans on our next show leading 510 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: into the Monday Night game. But I tell you, Wes, 511 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: it's really interesting now. Not only not only is there 512 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: a tie atop the NFC North at twelve two between 513 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: Detroit and Minnesota, but the Philadelphia Eagles are also twelve 514 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: and two because they got a big home win over 515 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers the battle for Pennsylvania. So there is 516 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: a lot to be decided here in terms of not 517 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: only the NFC North Championship, but just the seating at 518 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: the top of both at the top and the bottom 519 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: of the NFC in terms of how the playoff seating 520 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: is going to shake out, There's still long ways to 521 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: go here before we're going to know exactly the lineup 522 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: one through seven. 523 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 2: I do want to mention this because you mentioned all 524 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 2: the scenarios which the Packers can get. In Atlanta's hosting 525 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: the New York Giants. You have the La Rams are 526 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 2: traveling to met Life to face the New York Jets, 527 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: and then Seattle has a real tough tilt against the 528 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings, though they get to stay at home for 529 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: that one. 530 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. 531 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed what Matt Lafleur's message was with the 532 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 2: media on Tuesday morning when he met with us, because 533 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: he was asked about the playoffs and the possibility of 534 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: Clinton get the playoffs, and in it wasn't trying to 535 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: create a Jim Mora type SoundBite, but basically made it clear, 536 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 2: I don't give a whot about the playoffs right now. 537 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: There's three games the Packers need to win. They are 538 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: heck bent on trying to win all three of those 539 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: games and then seeing where the chips fall from there. 540 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 2: Certainly there's gonna be a tough game opponent on Monday Night, 541 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 2: although it sounds like Derek Carr will not be available 542 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 2: for it, as he potentially could be out the remainder 543 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: of the season based on some of the reports out there. 544 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: It'll be the Spencer Rattler Show, the Spencer as far 545 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: as Rattler show. But again, this was so critical for 546 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: the Packers to win this game. When you were looking 547 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: at all these scenarios and all these variables in the 548 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: New York Times simulator for the playoffs, everything gets exponentially 549 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: clearer in terms of Green Bay's pats to the playoffs. 550 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: Now that they've beaten the Seattle Seahawks. They hold the 551 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: tiebreaker over the Seahawks, they hold the tiebreaker over the 552 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: Rams the one they don't hold the tiebreaker of Atlanta. 553 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: But Atlanta trying to claw its way back into the 554 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: NFC South, if it would win the last three games 555 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: of the year, would have to beat Washington, which affects 556 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: the Packers. It also could potentially get them to win 557 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: the division, which maybe that would require Tampa Bay to 558 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: fallout of contention. There's all these different things you have 559 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: to consider in addition to the fact that Kirk Cousins 560 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: is still not playing very well right now, did not 561 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: play well in Vegas. So the Atlanta Falcons did not 562 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: call a pass play on first down in the entire 563 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: game last night, Like what I understand, You have Bijon 564 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: Robinson and he handed the ball off on first down 565 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: all night long. 566 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which I would have done the same exact 567 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: thing the other aspect of this. And just to bring 568 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: it back to this past weekend's game. Outside of Buffalo 569 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: taking care of business in Detroit and holding off the 570 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: Lions during whatever that was during the fourth quarter that happened, 571 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: Green Bay didn't get a lot of help. In terms 572 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 2: of the week fifteen. You had the Rams beat the 573 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: forty nine ers, you had the Saints not being able 574 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 2: to pull off the comeback in the upset all Washington. 575 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: Big time comeback maybe made the gutsy call to go 576 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: for two on the after the touchdown on the last 577 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: play of the game. They get the touchdown there, down 578 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: by a point, they decided to go for two instead 579 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: of play for overtime. Washington gets the stop and the 580 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: Commanders survive and get their ninth win. 581 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: The Chargers didn't even bother showing up against Tampa Bay. 582 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 2: Minnesota destroys the Bears. The Bears kept going on fourth down, 583 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: it didn't matter. Pittsburgh struggles against Philadelphia and then obviously, 584 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: like I mentioned already, as bad as Kirk Cousins played, still, 585 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: the Falcons out gunned the Raiders, who now seem to 586 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: be in pole position here from the maybe Shador Sanders sweepstakes. 587 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: So Green Bay did what he needed to do. It 588 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: won the game, and here they are now at ten 589 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: and four. 590 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, ten and four. 591 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: By the way, man, dude mention this at all, not 592 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: to jump over you. Hopefully they didn't screw up Zach's 593 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: camera's work there. Kenny Clark said this in the locker room. 594 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 2: Mightn't even think about this. He actually said, it's like, yeah, 595 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: it's been a minute since he won ten games, and 596 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: I thought about it for a second. I'm like, yeah, yeah, 597 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: it has been it's been three years since the Packers 598 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: won ten games in a season. 599 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, ten games in the regulars, regular season. So the 600 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: tenth tenth win was in the playoffs last year. 601 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: They needed eighteen to get in last year. 602 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but uh here here's I'm glad you brought 603 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: up a little bit about next week's next week's schedule 604 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: in the NFL, because I'm actually glad. I'm actually glad 605 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: that the Falcons, even as much as they're struggling, I'm 606 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: glad that they're playing the Giants. 607 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 608 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: I want the Falcons to beat the Giants, because I 609 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: don't I don't want the Packers to have clinched their 610 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: playoff spot before Monday Night. I want the Packers to 611 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: take the field Monday night at home, in front of 612 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: what hopefully is a very fired up, excited crowd, to 613 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: go out there and beat the Saints and clinch their 614 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: playoff spot that way, not from scoreboard watching during the 615 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: day during the day on Sunday, and then you have 616 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: a whole day on Monday to kill before you have 617 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: to go out there and play. I mean, I'm hoping 618 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: the Falcons. I'm hoping the Falcons beat the Giants, because 619 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: if that happens, it doesn't matter what happens with the 620 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: Rams and the Seahawks. The playoff spot's not clinched. The 621 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: Packers would take the field on Monday night and can 622 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: and just clinch it on their own. That's what I 623 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: want to see. 624 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: If there's anything you know about me, and you've known 625 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: me for pretty much all my adult life and you've 626 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 2: worked with me for almost a decade now, I am 627 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 2: definitely a bird in the hand guy. I will take 628 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: that playoff spot as soon as. 629 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: It will come. 630 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: But that being said, I agree with you, and I 631 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 2: think that's the same message that Matt Lafleur is preaching 632 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: right now. It's not about Week sixteen. It's about the 633 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: full breadth of an eighteen game regular season and where 634 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: that positions you for the playoffs. He already talked about 635 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: it with Larry, He talked about it with you guys 636 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: after the game. They want to be road warriors. They 637 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: understand that. Barring some really bizarre circumstances here in the 638 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: NFC North, which would have a multitude of layers to it. 639 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 3: If they could actually. 640 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: Win this thing in the last three weeks, they're going 641 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 2: to have to go on the road and they're going 642 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: to have to play in some hostile environments in order 643 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: to make a Super Bowl run. They're embracing that, and 644 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: I think one point I tried to make it in 645 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: or inbox on Tuesday was whether it's the games in 646 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: which they've won they're five and two on the road, 647 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: or the games in which they lost, in which they 648 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: heard probably the most ruckous Ford Field Stadium we've ever 649 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: heard before. The Packers now are experiencing all of this, 650 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: and I feel like in the long run, for a 651 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: very young football team, a team that is still very young, 652 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: that is going to benefit them. 653 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 654 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: Well, we will talk on our next show about a 655 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: Saints team that is motivated, that is fired up, that 656 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: maybe as close to mathematically out of it as you 657 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: can be, but they aren't playing like it. And we'll 658 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: get into that. It's in a couple of days. 659 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: It is bizarre, though. 660 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: Look, and you know we're again we were talking before 661 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 2: we started the show. I'm doing the game program for 662 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 2: this week and we're on the normal schedule, even though 663 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 2: it's the Monday Night game. I mean Marcos Veldez Scantling 664 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 2: is one of their starting receivers right now. Quez wasn't 665 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 2: even on the team two months ago. I mean they 666 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: had been beat up at certain positions, not all of them, 667 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: but certain positions. 668 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 3: You got to get the. 669 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: Job done though, yeah, absolutely before that. Be among the 670 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: thousands of football fans cheering on their team NFL draft 671 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: picks by joining us April twenty four through April twenty 672 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: six of twenty twenty five for the NFL Draft. Visit 673 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: green Bay dot com slash Draft twenty five for more information. 674 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: And with that, we'll call it a rap on this 675 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: edition of Packers Unscripted. Sure to follow all of our 676 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: coverage of the team on Packers dot com. For Wes, 677 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm Miike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will 678 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: see you next time.