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Speaker 5: And this week, which is always Fat Tuesday in Marti
Speaker 5: Gras happening in New Orleans, and I just saw some
Speaker 5: Marty Grass revelers down there. Cyber truck had pulled up
Speaker 5: on the street and there was a tremendous amount of
Speaker 5: booing going on, and I just thought that was interesting
Speaker 5: that that is like seen as an I was going
Speaker 5: to say a vehicle, but it's actually a vehicle, so
Speaker 5: using it as a here's.
Speaker 3: The sound doing a cyber truck pulling troup. Oh, the
Speaker 3: music play Saints in the background.
Speaker 5: Any women are showing their boobs for needs yet it's
Speaker 5: still time to do the leader of doge because you
Speaker 5: hate cutbacks and spending.
Speaker 3: I just don't get it.
Speaker 4: Wasteful spending, idiotic spending, that's just tribal signaling.
Speaker 3: Ouga boga.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, speaking of that sort of thing. Oh Michael,
Speaker 4: are you giving up playing chest for lint? I am, yes,
Speaker 4: no more shadless. So one of the themes that the
Speaker 4: President struck in his speech last night was getting rid
Speaker 4: of a bunch of woke crap and transgender this and that,
Speaker 4: which I thought was terrific. And we'll play some highlights
Speaker 4: in I don't know, twenty minutes, half an hour or
Speaker 4: something like that, but I thought a couple of things
Speaker 4: were very interesting, one more newsy and one more philosophical.
Speaker 4: But first of all, the newsy thing. For the last decade,
Speaker 4: the establishment media have touted advocates claims as fact that
Speaker 4: we have roughly fifteen thousand transgender people serving in the
Speaker 4: US military. If you're not familiar with the term, it
Speaker 4: means a person of one sex pretending to be the
Speaker 4: other sex. Wow, and over and over again, I've heard
Speaker 4: the fifteen thousand numbers and thought, damn, that's a lot.
Speaker 4: I know, believe, Yeah, I was. I didn't either, but
Speaker 4: I had no idea what to think. But this week
Speaker 4: President Donald Trump's Pentagon revealed that the number is about
Speaker 4: forty two hundred service members, which is still a hell
Speaker 4: of a lot, but it's just over one quarter of
Speaker 4: what they were claiming. This adds up to one transgender
Speaker 4: person for every five hundred service members in a military
Speaker 4: of two point one million active in reserve members. I
Speaker 4: am surprised that it is that many, and I'd be
Speaker 4: curious as to what is going on psychosocially that would.
Speaker 5: That would cause that. I mean, you talk about ridiculous tribalism.
Speaker 5: I came across Bill Crystal's tweet last night. Most of
Speaker 5: you don't know who he is. He used to be
Speaker 5: one of my favorite pundits. He is a hardcore conservative,
Speaker 5: like in the classic style. His dad, Irving Crystal founded
Speaker 5: I think the Weekly Standard, one of the great writers
Speaker 5: of conservatism, and Bill Crystal carried that on and then
Speaker 5: Bill Crystal hated.
Speaker 3: It, called Barry Goldwater a moderate.
Speaker 5: Bill Crystal who used to be on you know, like
Speaker 5: meet the Press and face a nation and arguing for
Speaker 5: conservatives all these years. He hated Trump so much he
Speaker 5: went over with the people that formed the Bulwark, and
Speaker 5: they have become a grift machine. And they've just figured
Speaker 5: out that if they say bad things about Republicans that
Speaker 5: they can make a lot of money. And this is
Speaker 5: what Bill Crystal tweeted out last night. Stand with trans Americans.
Speaker 5: You don't have to understand everything about the transgender experience
Speaker 5: to know that Trump's act of humiliation and dehumanization are
Speaker 5: unjust and dangerous.
Speaker 3: You've lost your mind.
Speaker 5: Just because he hasn't lost his mind, he's become so cynical.
Speaker 3: He just thinks, you know what, it's all a game. Anyway,
Speaker 3: screw it.
Speaker 5: There are enough of these people out there if I
Speaker 5: take this angle, they'll continue to you know, donate money
Speaker 5: to us and read our stuff and give us clicks,
Speaker 5: and I'll make a look whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, give them the converts. Everybody wants to celebrate the converts.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, Wow. That is some cynical crad.
Speaker 4: So, speaking of which, those of us who aren't cynical
Speaker 4: have looked at the world around us, and and I
Speaker 4: think a lot of you probably understand that the hardcore
Speaker 4: activists in the woke thing are neo Marxists, and the
Speaker 4: woke thing is just an excuse to say, you're in
Speaker 4: charge of this institution, but you're a racist, and I
Speaker 4: can prove it with my anti racist theories, and obviously
Speaker 4: we can't have a racist in charge, so now I'm
Speaker 4: in charge. It's a method of conquest. It takes over institutions,
Speaker 4: be they you know, schools or government departments or whatever.
Speaker 4: We get the hardcore doing that, the people who want
Speaker 4: to be nice people and they go along with it.
Speaker 4: This is the useful idiots, and they are legion in
Speaker 4: their numbers, and often it's young people because young people
Speaker 4: are easy to indoctrinate.
Speaker 3: The problem with that term is that Lenin's term, I
Speaker 3: think it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, John Lennon, no v I Lenin. The problem with
Speaker 5: that term is that it's obviously quite insulting. It's not
Speaker 5: a good way to explain to someone that they maybe
Speaker 5: are being used for a purpose that they do not
Speaker 5: agree with.
Speaker 3: If you call them an idiot, right, you make a
Speaker 3: good point.
Speaker 4: Let's go with useful morons instead useful halfways. Now, it's
Speaker 4: actually one of the better impulses in humankind, which is
Speaker 4: what I'm leading toward. It's long been known that all
Speaker 4: the intelligence agencies and governments of the world are interested
Speaker 4: in influencing people to believe certain things to support certain
Speaker 4: programs or certain governments. I mean that's obvious, right, Propaganda,
Speaker 4: the Hitler Youth to the malt Se tongue and his
Speaker 4: Red Guard, just all sorts of programs like that. And
Speaker 4: a guy who's been studying this his whole life, his
Speaker 4: name is a Jason Christoff, and he did a presentation
Speaker 4: recently that was hosted by Senator Ron Johnson speaking of
Speaker 4: rock ribbed Conservatives, and he explained how mind control is
Speaker 4: easy to execute because human beings are essentially walking psyops.
Speaker 4: He said, he quote, he said, Mimetic programming, which is
Speaker 4: the process of having someone learned to imitate patterns and behaviors,
Speaker 4: is routinely used in Hollywood films and by powerful corporations
Speaker 4: and governments.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 4: Mind control works on the subconscious, and the subconscious is
Speaker 4: something that loves us and wants.
Speaker 3: To protect us.
Speaker 4: And it's in the realm of activity, similar to your
Speaker 4: heart beating. So there are things you understand as a
Speaker 4: human being that you're not in control of.
Speaker 3: They're instinctive.
Speaker 4: Your subconscious mind is always looking to establish what the
Speaker 4: bigger group of humans is doing, and so it is
Speaker 4: responsive to repetitive content. Simply put, people are always looking
Speaker 4: to learn what a larger group is doing and fit in,
Speaker 4: meaning that repeated messages can be enormously powerful. You know,
Speaker 4: obviously we're just talking about conformity here, but all sales
Speaker 4: organizations know this sure. Quoting again from mister Christoff. The
Speaker 4: reason the subconscious does this is because it knows that
Speaker 4: most humans like other humans who act, talk and think
Speaker 4: like they do, and all the subconscious nuh, All your
Speaker 4: subconscious know that it's safer to bond with a bigger group.
Speaker 4: To break this mind control technique down further, your subconscious
Speaker 4: automatically absorbs repetitive content and forces people to adopt ideas
Speaker 4: as their own.
Speaker 3: Your reptile brain is telling.
Speaker 4: You you decided this on your own, to go along
Speaker 4: with the crowd, because, for whatever reason, that works better
Speaker 4: with humans. It's more adaptive. As they say in anthropology,
Speaker 4: that's why, for example, do any of my beliefs come
Speaker 4: from my own thinking? Or is this all just because
Speaker 4: I was surrounded by it? I think sometimes the best
Speaker 4: you can do is be intellectually honest and examine your
Speaker 4: beliefs and test them. Now, and again and try the
Speaker 4: other ideas. But anyway, that's a great other topic.
Speaker 3: What time is it? Yeah, we're good, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: This is why, for example, at a party where there's
Speaker 4: a lot of alcohol being served and consumed, people can
Speaker 4: feel nervous saying no when offered a drink. Quote, if
Speaker 4: you dare say no in opposition of the most repetitive content,
Speaker 4: your nervous system will make you feel extremely uneasy and
Speaker 4: full of anxiety, and it will also reward you for
Speaker 4: going along with it, putting your neurology at peace and calm.
Speaker 5: In the feeling of calmness, that's wow. So there's more
Speaker 5: to peer pressure than.
Speaker 4: Meets the eye, right exactly, It's not weakness, it's it's
Speaker 4: anthropologically adaptive. The problem is, you know, unless you're an alcoholic,
Speaker 4: you're gonna be fine having a drink, or unless somebody
Speaker 4: is trying to feed your roofy and rape you or
Speaker 4: something like that, you sally fine.
Speaker 5: Bill Cosby's house, Oh right, exactly. In short, but if
Speaker 5: there is.
Speaker 4: An insidious group bent on evil utilizing these truths intentionally
Speaker 4: and aggressively, you get an entire generation of young people
Speaker 4: walking around saying It's not wrong to have a man
Speaker 4: in a woman's sport, even though he whoops the hell
Speaker 4: out of the women and takes all the titles. It's
Speaker 4: not wrong to have a man in a women's prison
Speaker 4: because that man says he's a woman. They come up
Speaker 4: with an idea as ludicrous is that a man who
Speaker 4: says he's a woman is actually a woman.
Speaker 5: And then certainly things that are easier to go for.
Speaker 5: I won't say fall four like hearing about climate change
Speaker 5: every class you're ever in your whole life right.
Speaker 4: Christoph actually touched on the COVID nineteen pandemic in the response, said,
Speaker 4: media let's push highly similar similar narratives to quote unquote
Speaker 4: control people, influencing them to stay at home. Mind control
Speaker 4: is the basis of all advertising, and the governments have
Speaker 4: been proven to be using the same group dynamic application
Speaker 4: against the public. He pointed to examples such as the
Speaker 4: UK's Behavioral Insights Team, informally known as the Nudge Unit.
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of this? No, It's a former
Speaker 4: government organization now run by a charity, which uses behavioral
Speaker 4: insights to change people's behavior, for example, by changing messaging
Speaker 4: to make people more likely to pay their.
Speaker 3: Taxes on time Wow.
Speaker 4: Christoff believes such tactics have been used to drive social
Speaker 4: changes for decades, with depictions of large nuclear families on
Speaker 4: screen diminishing since the nineteen fifties in favor of less
Speaker 4: conventional families with fewer children, among other things. And corporations
Speaker 4: use similar strategies.
Speaker 3: But we're running out of time. But you get the idea.
Speaker 4: And I've often said, you don't need to do what
Speaker 4: the culture is doing because a lot of that is
Speaker 4: designed by people who do not have your best interests
Speaker 4: in mind. So maybe the only great takeaway from this
Speaker 4: is if you find yourself wanting to conform, understand that
Speaker 4: that is your animal brain being used, often by evil
Speaker 4: people to try to get you to behave in a
Speaker 4: certain way.
Speaker 3: That's really interesting stuff.
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Speaker 5: So my thirteen year old, and it matters what his
Speaker 5: age is. Apparently wanted to open a checking account at
Speaker 5: the bank or an account at the bank because he's
Speaker 5: got enough money built up from allowances and birthdays and Christmases,
Speaker 5: and he doesn't spend his money like his brother does.
Speaker 5: He saves it because he wants to be able to
Speaker 5: put it toward a car someday and that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: So he's got a decent sized chunk.
Speaker 5: Of money added up over the years and he'd been
Speaker 5: keeping it in his shoe box. And so he's going
Speaker 5: to oput an account. And I remember when I opened
Speaker 5: an account when I was probably about his age. I
Speaker 5: started mowing lawns when I was twelve thirteen and accumulating
Speaker 5: money and opening a bank account on.
Speaker 3: The right passage. I remember it myself.
Speaker 5: On the way to the bank, I did say to him,
Speaker 5: I said, you know, I haven't I haven't been around
Speaker 5: the idea of opening an account for a bank in.
Speaker 3: Forty years something like that.
Speaker 5: So I don't know if the rules have changed, but
Speaker 5: so in case something happens, but anyway, we should we
Speaker 5: get it there sure enough. And so we're trying to
Speaker 5: open this account and everything like that. And first of all,
Speaker 5: many banks everything is I don't know if it's because
Speaker 5: the government comes down on them so hard or something
Speaker 5: like that. They treat everybody like you're a want to
Speaker 5: be terrorist.
Speaker 3: Like everything you do, it's like, jeez, lighten up.
Speaker 5: But anyway, he needs to have two forms of ID.
Speaker 5: Is where we ran into the roadblock. I said, what
Speaker 5: is a form of ID for a thirteen year old?
Speaker 5: He said, and they said, well, your Social Security card
Speaker 5: is birth certificate? Okay, great, So I said, the fact
Speaker 5: that I'm his dad isn't good enough. I can't vouch
Speaker 5: for the fact that he's my son and I have
Speaker 5: an account here and have had for twenty five years
Speaker 5: and open an account for him. I can't do that,
Speaker 5: and no, we need to. And I said, is that
Speaker 5: a bank policy or the state law or what is that?
Speaker 5: Because I was thinking if it's a bank policy, I'll
Speaker 5: go to a different bank. But uh, it's a federal law.
Speaker 5: It's part of the Patriot Act. I said, oh, of course,
Speaker 5: And he said, well, it's a federal I said, you
Speaker 5: don't need to explain the federal government to me.
Speaker 3: And I hate the federal government.
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 5: And then the guy looked at me like I was Oh.
Speaker 5: He got wide eyed, like, oh, you're one of those people.
Speaker 5: You're Timothy McVeigh, you're you're you're one of those people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, clearly I've heard about them.
Speaker 5: I said, I hate the federal government. The Patriot Act's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: This is ridiculous. The fact that I can't open a
Speaker 5: bank account for a thirteen year old, and as his parent,
Speaker 5: I got I gotta prove who he is because you
Speaker 5: can't take my word for the fact that he's my child.
Speaker 5: Makes me child, say money laundering, little mule for your militia,
Speaker 5: whatever you want to call him. The Patriot Act was
Speaker 5: so much I was trying to explain it to en her.
Speaker 5: He was so much crap that they jammed through. It's
Speaker 5: all because of nine to eleven. So you're gonna stop
Speaker 5: the next nine to eleven by making sure thirteen year
Speaker 5: olds don't open illegal bank accounts. I guess whatever, even
Speaker 5: though their parent, who you know, is sitting right there.
Speaker 5: I hate stuff like that, and the and the but
Speaker 5: they were there. Their eyes got so wide. When I
Speaker 5: hate the said I hate the federal government. And I
Speaker 5: was thinking if I was doing this same thing in
Speaker 5: my and my where I went to college in Hayes, Kansas,
Speaker 5: and I said I hate the federal government, the teller
Speaker 5: would have said, yeah, me too, don't.
Speaker 3: You high five Joe came into that brother, but that.
Speaker 5: Just being oh, my god, you shouldn't she said, oh,
Speaker 5: she gasped the woman gasped, and her.
Speaker 3: Boss just looked at me white. I'd like, oh, were
Speaker 3: we about to have a fight. Oh man, I have
Speaker 3: to have two pieces of id even though he's my kid.
Speaker 3: I just found that amazing.
Speaker 4: All right, here's here's the guy who retweets my quotes.
Speaker 4: Get ready to jot this one down and get it right?
Speaker 3: Would you?
Speaker 4: Anytime the government says there's an emergency, there are two emergencies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but actually exactly. And I actually told my son
Speaker 5: because here's one, and he was really like, is that
Speaker 5: something you can't say out loud? I said, I told him.
Speaker 5: The most revered Republican president of the last maybe century,
Speaker 5: Ronald Reagan, ran on the scariest words in the English
Speaker 5: language are I'm here from the I'm from the government,
Speaker 5: and I'm here to help you. I mean, he ran on,
Speaker 5: I hate the government, or I just saw clip this morning.
Speaker 4: The government isn't the solution. Government is the problem.
Speaker 5: And the woman who was typing furiously after I said that,
Speaker 5: because she was so horrified that anybody would say that,
Speaker 5: I said, you know, all the money in my account
Speaker 5: I made that by going on the radio every day
Speaker 5: and saying I hate the government and I make my living.
Speaker 4: By the way, if the Justice Department is listening, or
Speaker 4: the FDIC or the CIA, the NSA, if I'm happy
Speaker 4: to testify against this monster.
Speaker 5: I'm sure I'm on some sort of terrorist watch list now, yes, Michael.
Speaker 3: So wonder they didn't hit the silent alarm on you
Speaker 3: and then you know, cops show up or something.
Speaker 5: I would have been I would have loved to talk
Speaker 5: to people and exp why it's okay for me to
Speaker 5: say I hate the government.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, We've got to surveill him for a
Speaker 4: while and go through his mail and monitor his phone calls.
Speaker 4: We've got the NSA working on it already.
Speaker 5: What I hate is the manager guy acting like it
Speaker 5: makes sense that we have a law I can't vouch
Speaker 5: for my kid being my kid. That seems perfectly reasonable
Speaker 5: to me. Two forms of ID for a child right
Speaker 5: when their parents is there. I thought, he says his name,
Speaker 5: then I say his name?
Speaker 3: Is that two forms of ID? And if not, what
Speaker 3: the hell has the world becalled? I know Armstrong and.
Speaker 2: The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 6: The US Navy has dozens of nuclear powered submarines. Fourteen
Speaker 6: are capable of carrying nuclear weapons. Each Ohio class sub
Speaker 6: can carry twenty trident ballistic missiles with eight nuclear warheads each,
Speaker 6: meaning one American Ohio class nuclear submarine could strike one
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty cities at once.
Speaker 5: I thought it would be good to play something current
Speaker 5: before we get into a discussion about the anniversary. Eighty
Speaker 5: years since we dropped the atomic bomb on Japan. We
Speaker 5: still have wars going on. Nuclear weapons are still a conversation.
Speaker 5: People are still willing to fight to the death over
Speaker 5: a variety for a variety of reasons. Nothing has changed
Speaker 5: on that front since World War Two. World War One
Speaker 5: was the going to be the war to end all wars.
Speaker 5: Then we had World War Two, which was significantly significantly bigger.
Speaker 5: And since World War Two, we've now had more people
Speaker 5: die in wars since World War Two that happened during
Speaker 5: World War Two.
Speaker 4: And I believe as we speak, we have the most
Speaker 4: armed conflicts going on Earth that has been recorded.
Speaker 3: Really just heard that yesterday. I didn't know that it's
Speaker 3: like one hundred and forty or something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I get discouraged sometimes with my love of
Speaker 5: history and that I feel like it is wrongly portrayed
Speaker 5: so often or narratives catch on and they just become
Speaker 5: the truth forever in some cases, and they're not accurate,
Speaker 5: and it's.
Speaker 3: Just the way it is.
Speaker 5: Like our friend, we like, Victor David Hanson's he wrote
Speaker 5: a book a couple of years called The World Wars,
Speaker 5: and he was trying to make the argument that it
Speaker 5: was really separate wars that we call it World War Two,
Speaker 5: but there were separate wars going on that really didn't
Speaker 5: have much to do with each other. This other book
Speaker 5: that I've been reading just recently, Operation Downfall by Richard B.
Speaker 3: Frank.
Speaker 5: It's the most recent book written about. Downfall was going
Speaker 5: to be the was the campaign for US to end
Speaker 5: the war with Japan. Japan bombs US December seventh, nineteen
Speaker 5: forty one. They attacked US. Hitler had already been defeated
Speaker 5: at this point, and we needed to figure out how
Speaker 5: to finish off the Japanese who were still fighting like crazy.
Speaker 5: But the whole fight in Japan and fighting Germany didn't
Speaker 5: really have much to do with each other. There are
Speaker 5: a couple of instances and when Japan and Germany kind
Speaker 5: of worked together, but if it ever came down to it,
Speaker 5: I mean, think about it, these are two incredibly racist
Speaker 5: regimes that believe the other side shouldn't exist un.
Speaker 3: Planet Earth, so stay the hell away.
Speaker 5: The Nazis would have killed every Japanese a person on
Speaker 5: Earth if they had the opportunity, and vice versa. Japan
Speaker 5: was an incredibly racist nation. They believe they were superior
Speaker 5: to the Chinese, let alone the white mongrel United States.
Speaker 5: And this Frank's guy is trying to make the argument
Speaker 5: that a lot of historians have, but it just hasn't
Speaker 5: worked yet, that World War Two started in nineteen thirty
Speaker 5: seven when Japan invaded China and started taking over that
Speaker 5: part of the globe. Because we're mostly from Europe, and
Speaker 5: we're so Europe focused, and most of our World War
Speaker 5: two movies are about Europe and fighting the Nazis, we
Speaker 5: just we don't we think World War two started in
Speaker 5: September of thirty nine when Germany goes into Poland and
Speaker 5: all those countries and starts doing their thing. But the
Speaker 5: Japanese invaded China in nineteen thirty seven and started one
Speaker 5: hell of a war. Eight million Chinese had died at
Speaker 5: the hands of the Japanese.
Speaker 3: Before Pearl Harbor. Eight million Chinese.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Japan was one of the most ruthless regimes that's
Speaker 5: ever existed on planet Earth. Why we regularly refer to
Speaker 5: Nazis or Hitler like the worst thing that has ever happened,
Speaker 5: I don't quite know. Stalin was worth worse than Hitler,
Speaker 5: and the Japanese were more deadly than the Nazis. Japan
Speaker 5: controlled twenty percent of the planet. What they were fighting
Speaker 5: at the time that we defeated them a significantly greater
Speaker 5: chunk than the Nazis took over, even though they took
Speaker 5: over most of Europe.
Speaker 4: And call it racism or bigotry or just resentment, but
Speaker 4: I've always reacted to the obscly, unspeakably stupid statement from
Speaker 4: progressives that only white people can be racist, because ask
Speaker 4: a Korean about the Japanese, right, ask a Japanese firston
Speaker 4: about the Chinese, Ask a Filipino about any of them,
Speaker 4: Oh my god, will they bring the hate anyway? But
Speaker 4: part of that is fairly legitimate resentment of I don't know,
Speaker 4: killing eight million of our people, often in horrific you
Speaker 4: know ways.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And things had gotten so ugly there at the end,
Speaker 5: fighting Japanese soldiers island by island as we tried to
Speaker 5: get close enough to the main island of Japan to
Speaker 5: at the time we thought we were going to invade.
Speaker 5: We ended up deciding that wasn't going to work because
Speaker 5: it would have been too deadly and too costly. Sixty
Speaker 5: between sixty and seventy percent of all of our casualties
Speaker 5: happened in the last year of the war. Half of
Speaker 5: all marine deaths happened in the last couple of months,
Speaker 5: as we're fighting island to island. By the time we
Speaker 5: got to Canal, it was the first battle in which
Speaker 5: we lost more people, more men died that were US
Speaker 5: soldiers than the Japanese lost, and we just figured that
Speaker 5: that was going to continue as we got closer to
Speaker 5: the island and then invading the island, we were going
Speaker 5: to take way more deaths than they were going to take.
Speaker 5: So people who make the argument we shouldn't have dropped
Speaker 5: the bomb, why do you think we should suffer more
Speaker 5: losses than the people that attacked us?
Speaker 3: What's the argument there?
Speaker 4: Well, and there are a lot of good arguments on
Speaker 4: that side. Loyal listener Mike San Francisco urged us me
Speaker 4: to read about the Battle of Okinawa, which raged for
Speaker 4: two months in three weeks and was one of the
Speaker 4: last big ones before we were either going to invade
Speaker 4: Japan or not. But one hundred thousand Japanese troops in Okinawa,
Speaker 4: fifty thousand Allied casualties, around one hundred thousand Japanese casualties,
Speaker 4: also including local Okinawan's conscripted into the Japanese army according
Speaker 4: to localists, already is at least one hundred and forty
Speaker 4: nine thousand Okinawan people were killed, died by course, suicide,
Speaker 4: or went missing. So, yeah, the carnage at the end was, Oh,
Speaker 4: it's unspeakable, it's unsinkable.
Speaker 5: It is a version of total war that is practically
Speaker 5: unseen on planet Earth. Why it doesn't get discussed more often,
Speaker 5: I don't know. And then as to the idea that
Speaker 5: Japan would have surrendered at any point, so Japan had
Speaker 5: never surrendered historically in their twenty seven hundred year existence,
Speaker 5: they had never surrendered to an invader, and more recently,
Speaker 5: during World War Two, no Japanese unit, not one, had
Speaker 5: surrendered in any battle, no matter how defeated they were.
Speaker 5: They would continue to fight until they were all dead.
Speaker 5: That was just to the last span their culture. And
Speaker 5: it's kind of hard for us to get into the
Speaker 5: mindset of it's why the whole Kamakazi thing worked. They
Speaker 5: have a cultun of mindset that we do not have
Speaker 5: of where they would take such great pride to have
Speaker 5: their young son go get in a plane and fly
Speaker 5: it into a ship and die. They were perfectly okay
Speaker 5: with that. It made every bit of sense to them
Speaker 5: to serve their god, King here Ahito. Thing that they
Speaker 5: had going on, that we also can't quite wrap our
Speaker 5: heads around culturally because it not only was it a monarch,
Speaker 5: but it was a religious figure, and we just we
Speaker 5: can't it doesn't make any sense to us culturally the
Speaker 5: way that that worked. Roosevelt also believed, if you're a
Speaker 5: fan of World War One, you know the hole stabbed
Speaker 5: in the back myth that entered into Germany after Germany
Speaker 5: lost and we left their government, we the Allies, left
Speaker 5: their government in charge. Then the young Hitlers of the world,
Speaker 5: people that had fought in the warst started this whole
Speaker 5: Our government stabbed us in the back, and it's the
Speaker 5: dirty Jews that caused it. Thing that grew and grew
Speaker 5: and grew and led to the rise of the anger
Speaker 5: of the German society. And Nazi Germany and World War
Speaker 5: two and all that. Roosevelt knew that, and he didn't
Speaker 5: want to leave in Germany or Japan any He wanted
Speaker 5: to make sure Roosevelt believed Germany and Japan, every man,
Speaker 5: woman and child in the country had to believe they
Speaker 5: were defeated. To make sure that they either one of
Speaker 5: them didn't rise up again. They had to all know
Speaker 5: they were beaten, completely beaten. They were their own.
Speaker 3: Government didn't stab in the back, nothing like that happened.
Speaker 5: They were soundly defeated, and that was one of the
Speaker 5: reasons they had to take it clear to the end
Speaker 5: the way they did. Combined with that nobody had ever surrendered,
Speaker 5: so there's no reason to think they would ever give up.
Speaker 5: The Japanese we now have we've only had this for
Speaker 5: thirty years. We now have the communications that were going
Speaker 5: on in Japan. Thanks to Japanese historians. There are only
Speaker 5: six people in control of the whole decision, they called
Speaker 5: the Big Six. Five of them were in the military,
Speaker 5: and they had no interest in surrendering whatsoever, and they
Speaker 5: were willing to lose tens of millions of Japanese civilians.
Speaker 5: They believe if we surrounded him and did a blockade
Speaker 5: and tried to starve them out, which ended up that
Speaker 5: was going to be the plan. If we didn't drop
Speaker 5: the bomb, we were going to surround Japan and starve
Speaker 5: millions of people until they surrendered, which would have killed
Speaker 5: way more people than the bombs killed. But the Big
Speaker 5: Six in Japan, they figured, if twenty million Japanese starved,
Speaker 5: the world opinion will finally turn against the Allies in
Speaker 5: the United States, and.
Speaker 3: While surry hamas like strategy.
Speaker 5: Exactly, and we'll be able to negotiate a much better situation.
Speaker 5: They're perfectly comfortable with that for anybody who argues that
Speaker 5: there is a way out that would have been less
Speaker 5: deadly than the nuclear weapons. Also mentioned it the other day,
Speaker 5: but worth mentioning again, around two hundred thousand people were
Speaker 5: killed by the bombs. It's hard depends on where you
Speaker 5: know you do the cutoff because the cancer later and
Speaker 5: everything like that. But around two hundred thousand died from
Speaker 5: the bombs that were dropped eighty years ago tomorrow, and
Speaker 5: then on the ninth the other bomb, twice as many
Speaker 5: Japanese as that at the hands of the Russians in
Speaker 5: the very same weeks as Russia was coming on and
Speaker 5: taking ground and trying to take it back from that
Speaker 5: much more ruthless than we were. When you ever hear
Speaker 5: anybody say anything about that, well, yeah, self hatred is
Speaker 5: the hallmark of the progressive and they're proud of it.
Speaker 4: They stoke it, they like it, and it's it's just
Speaker 4: it's it's perverse.
Speaker 5: They had a million men ready to defend a ground invasion,
Speaker 5: some eight thousand planes, maybe half of which we're going
Speaker 5: to be kamakazis attacking every one of our ships, which
Speaker 5: would have been That's why they ultimately decided, and we've
Speaker 5: only known this since the nineties, that are our navy
Speaker 5: decided we ain't going to do this. That's a no.
Speaker 5: We're a no vote on that. So the ground invasion
Speaker 5: was not gonna have it because it would have been
Speaker 5: too deadly. It just absolutely couldn't be done. So it
Speaker 5: was either starve them out or drop the bomb. So
Speaker 5: I went to the Oppenheimer movie with a friend. When
Speaker 5: was that three four years ago that that Oppenheimer movie
Speaker 5: came out. This friend was a super lib But anyway,
Speaker 5: we're driving away from the movie theater and we're having
Speaker 5: a conversation about the whole should we have dropped the
Speaker 5: bomb or not? Kind of got started the conversation and
Speaker 5: it was very funny because it took us ten fifteen
Speaker 5: minutes of driving and saying, I know, can you believe
Speaker 5: that there are some people that believe that. Before we
Speaker 5: realized we were, we had completely different positions. We're both saying,
Speaker 5: I know, it's crazy that people believe that. I was thinking,
Speaker 5: it's crazy that people believe we shouldn't have dropped the bomb.
Speaker 5: She was thinking, it's crazy that people think we should
Speaker 5: have dropped the bomb. And at some point, and it
Speaker 5: got very quiet in the car after that, we realized, oh, oh,
Speaker 5: we're completely on the opposite side of this, because those
Speaker 5: of us on whichever side, just can't believe the other
Speaker 5: side believed what they believe. And I'm on the side of,
Speaker 5: obviously we should have dropped the bomb. Who wouldn't have
Speaker 5: given the circumstances. But there are plenty of people that
Speaker 5: think it's just nuts that we opened up the can
Speaker 5: of worms, and it's one of the great black marks
Speaker 5: in US history that we crossed that line and dropped.
Speaker 3: In atomic bomb on Japan. Yeah, what's the.
Speaker 5: Other pushback the best put what's what's the college kid?
Speaker 5: College professor pushback on dropping the bomb that Japan was
Speaker 5: prepared to offer a not unconditional, but more or less
Speaker 5: complete surrender, and that it just had to be worked
Speaker 5: out over the course of a couple more days of conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no documentation for that.
Speaker 4: There are a couple of communications from a couple of
Speaker 4: people that hint that that might be possible, and they
Speaker 4: extrapolate from there and feel free.
Speaker 3: We can talk about this as long as you want.
Speaker 4: But on the at home sociological why do people believe
Speaker 4: what your friend did? It occurred to me, and I've
Speaker 4: said this many many times, that if you are on
Speaker 4: the left, you get a great deal of social reinforcement,
Speaker 4: a lot of pats on the back, acceptance for being
Speaker 4: a self hating American. But it's funny. I hadn't really
Speaker 4: looked at it from the other perspective. You cannot be
Speaker 4: accepted in those circles if you are a patriotic American
Speaker 4: who thinks, by and large, we have been a great
Speaker 4: country doing mostly the right thing. I mean that is
Speaker 4: you are drummed out. That's it's like committing an act
Speaker 4: of violence. You know, at a social club, that's it.
Speaker 4: There's no hearing you're gone. That's enormous social pressure for
Speaker 4: those people.
Speaker 5: Well, just as a response to your thing for we
Speaker 5: and we can break And I want to get two
Speaker 5: in the weeds one this, but the Big Six made
Speaker 5: all the decisions for Japan. If there was going to
Speaker 5: be any sort of surrender, they would have to do it.
Speaker 5: There's no indication anybody in that group wanted to surrender.
Speaker 5: And five of the X were in the military and
Speaker 5: they absolutely were into fighting to the last man.
Speaker 3: So it just was never gonna happen.
Speaker 5: Right Anyway, I wanted to get this on on the
Speaker 5: fifth because I have a feeling tomorrow you'll hear a
Speaker 5: lot of news from mainstream media pushing the idea that
Speaker 5: we did something wrong, and I'll be interested to see
Speaker 5: how that plays on your evening newscast.
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Speaker 5: Do you have a compelling reason for why we eighty
Speaker 5: year anniversary of US dropping the bomb on Japan is tomorrow?
Speaker 5: Do you have a reason why we focus so much
Speaker 5: more on the fight in the nazis European part of
Speaker 5: World War.
Speaker 3: Two as opposed to the Pacific War.
Speaker 4: I don't know that I've perceived that in the same
Speaker 4: way you did. I've always been into the Pacific War,
Speaker 4: partly because my father in law served there, and I've
Speaker 4: always been acutely aware of it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe culturally, I.
Speaker 5: Know, factually, in terms of movies and books and everything,
Speaker 5: like the whole European theater dominates and has forever. I
Speaker 5: think it's because it was just so morally more clear cut.
Speaker 5: Things got so ugly against the Japanese, bit by bit,
Speaker 5: island by island, where both sides were just so. The
Speaker 5: book I'm reading read several of them, Twilight of the
Speaker 5: Gods by Ian Tole, which is considered one of the
Speaker 5: definitive books on it. He had a story, Oh, by
Speaker 5: the way, we got a text the Japanese. The text was,
Speaker 5: it's cute that you think the Japanese surrendered because of
Speaker 5: the bombs. It was because they knew Russia was coming.
Speaker 5: There's no documentation about that. If you have a book
Speaker 5: that says that's true, that's a common narrative, but there's
Speaker 5: no documentation that that conversation was being had by the
Speaker 5: Big Six who made these decisions in Japan. So if
Speaker 5: you have a different book that says they were, you know,
Speaker 5: feel free to text me.
Speaker 3: I'd be interested in reading it.
Speaker 5: For instance, on one of the islands, and I don't
Speaker 5: remember which one it was, but this became a common thing.
Speaker 5: Our marines would come across dead US soldiers who had
Speaker 5: had their genitals cut off and shoved in their mouths,
Speaker 5: sometimes while they were alive, by the Japanese. So the
Speaker 5: Japanese soldiers had come across, you know, a wounded marine
Speaker 5: cut off his junk stick in his mouth. So we
Speaker 5: got more and more brutal, and it just it got
Speaker 5: that way to where it was just like freaking Lord
Speaker 5: of the Flies, total war, as awful as it could get,
Speaker 5: foot by foot, trench by trench in the mud and
Speaker 5: the blood and your own feces and everything right across
Speaker 5: the islands, And that's what it was going to be
Speaker 5: in Japan. And it had a story in there of
Speaker 5: collecting gold teeth became a thing, so US soldiers would
Speaker 5: collect gold tea And it had a story in there
Speaker 5: about one US soldier coming across a wounded but still
Speaker 5: alive Japanese who then took his bayonet and started digging
Speaker 5: in the guy's mouth, trying to pry his teeth out
Speaker 5: while they're still alive. Of some of the fellow US
Speaker 5: soldiers said, dude, that's not cool. Came up and shot
Speaker 5: the guy in the head to put him out of
Speaker 5: his misery. But that's the sort of warfare. It was
Speaker 5: there at the end, and it was going to be
Speaker 5: that times. Who knows how many thousand on the beaches
Speaker 5: of Japan if we actually invaded.
Speaker 4: Well, and I think Europe got more coverage partly because
Speaker 4: a film crew could do what they did then go
Speaker 4: back to Paris or London or whatever, and so you
Speaker 4: can't do that in the islands of the Pacific.
Speaker 5: Space, said Crisis a legend alls a hard time.
Speaker 3: This bad trucker with Elasi, bad therapy and a mouth
Speaker 3: they went.
Speaker 1: They covered it all this morning and tomorrow they'll do
Speaker 1: even more.
Speaker 4: The arms strong and Getty showed the conscience.
Speaker 3: Serveny