WEBVTT - A&G Replay Thursday Hour One

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and.

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<v Speaker 4>Live.

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<v Speaker 3>Now enjoy the Armstrong Eeddy replay.

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<v Speaker 5>And this week, which is always Fat Tuesday in Marti

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<v Speaker 5>Gras happening in New Orleans, and I just saw some

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<v Speaker 5>Marty Grass revelers down there. Cyber truck had pulled up

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<v Speaker 5>on the street and there was a tremendous amount of

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<v Speaker 5>booing going on, and I just thought that was interesting

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<v Speaker 5>that that is like seen as an I was going

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<v Speaker 5>to say a vehicle, but it's actually a vehicle, so

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<v Speaker 5>using it as a here's.

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<v Speaker 3>The sound doing a cyber truck pulling troup. Oh, the

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<v Speaker 3>music play Saints in the background.

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<v Speaker 5>Any women are showing their boobs for needs yet it's

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<v Speaker 5>still time to do the leader of doge because you

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<v Speaker 5>hate cutbacks and spending.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't get it.

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<v Speaker 4>Wasteful spending, idiotic spending, that's just tribal signaling.

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<v Speaker 3>Ouga boga.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, speaking of that sort of thing. Oh Michael,

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<v Speaker 4>are you giving up playing chest for lint? I am, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>no more shadless. So one of the themes that the

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<v Speaker 4>President struck in his speech last night was getting rid

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<v Speaker 4>of a bunch of woke crap and transgender this and that,

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<v Speaker 4>which I thought was terrific. And we'll play some highlights

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<v Speaker 4>in I don't know, twenty minutes, half an hour or

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<v Speaker 4>something like that, but I thought a couple of things

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<v Speaker 4>were very interesting, one more newsy and one more philosophical.

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<v Speaker 4>But first of all, the newsy thing. For the last decade,

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<v Speaker 4>the establishment media have touted advocates claims as fact that

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<v Speaker 4>we have roughly fifteen thousand transgender people serving in the

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<v Speaker 4>US military. If you're not familiar with the term, it

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<v Speaker 4>means a person of one sex pretending to be the

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<v Speaker 4>other sex. Wow, and over and over again, I've heard

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<v Speaker 4>the fifteen thousand numbers and thought, damn, that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, believe, Yeah, I was. I didn't either, but

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<v Speaker 4>I had no idea what to think. But this week

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<v Speaker 4>President Donald Trump's Pentagon revealed that the number is about

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<v Speaker 4>forty two hundred service members, which is still a hell

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<v Speaker 4>of a lot, but it's just over one quarter of

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<v Speaker 4>what they were claiming. This adds up to one transgender

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<v Speaker 4>person for every five hundred service members in a military

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<v Speaker 4>of two point one million active in reserve members. I

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<v Speaker 4>am surprised that it is that many, and I'd be

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<v Speaker 4>curious as to what is going on psychosocially that would.

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<v Speaker 5>That would cause that. I mean, you talk about ridiculous tribalism.

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<v Speaker 5>I came across Bill Crystal's tweet last night. Most of

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<v Speaker 5>you don't know who he is. He used to be

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<v Speaker 5>one of my favorite pundits. He is a hardcore conservative,

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<v Speaker 5>like in the classic style. His dad, Irving Crystal founded

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<v Speaker 5>I think the Weekly Standard, one of the great writers

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<v Speaker 5>of conservatism, and Bill Crystal carried that on and then

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<v Speaker 5>Bill Crystal hated.

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<v Speaker 3>It, called Barry Goldwater a moderate.

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<v Speaker 5>Bill Crystal who used to be on you know, like

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<v Speaker 5>meet the Press and face a nation and arguing for

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<v Speaker 5>conservatives all these years. He hated Trump so much he

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<v Speaker 5>went over with the people that formed the Bulwark, and

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<v Speaker 5>they have become a grift machine. And they've just figured

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<v Speaker 5>out that if they say bad things about Republicans that

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<v Speaker 5>they can make a lot of money. And this is

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<v Speaker 5>what Bill Crystal tweeted out last night. Stand with trans Americans.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't have to understand everything about the transgender experience

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<v Speaker 5>to know that Trump's act of humiliation and dehumanization are

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<v Speaker 5>unjust and dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>You've lost your mind.

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<v Speaker 5>Just because he hasn't lost his mind, he's become so cynical.

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<v Speaker 3>He just thinks, you know what, it's all a game. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>screw it.

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<v Speaker 5>There are enough of these people out there if I

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<v Speaker 5>take this angle, they'll continue to you know, donate money

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<v Speaker 5>to us and read our stuff and give us clicks,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'll make a look whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, give them the converts. Everybody wants to celebrate the converts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, Wow. That is some cynical crad.

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<v Speaker 4>So, speaking of which, those of us who aren't cynical

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<v Speaker 4>have looked at the world around us, and and I

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<v Speaker 4>think a lot of you probably understand that the hardcore

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<v Speaker 4>activists in the woke thing are neo Marxists, and the

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<v Speaker 4>woke thing is just an excuse to say, you're in

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<v Speaker 4>charge of this institution, but you're a racist, and I

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<v Speaker 4>can prove it with my anti racist theories, and obviously

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<v Speaker 4>we can't have a racist in charge, so now I'm

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<v Speaker 4>in charge. It's a method of conquest. It takes over institutions,

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<v Speaker 4>be they you know, schools or government departments or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>We get the hardcore doing that, the people who want

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<v Speaker 4>to be nice people and they go along with it.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the useful idiots, and they are legion in

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<v Speaker 4>their numbers, and often it's young people because young people

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<v Speaker 4>are easy to indoctrinate.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem with that term is that Lenin's term, I

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<v Speaker 3>think it is.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, John Lennon, no v I Lenin. The problem with

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<v Speaker 5>that term is that it's obviously quite insulting. It's not

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<v Speaker 5>a good way to explain to someone that they maybe

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<v Speaker 5>are being used for a purpose that they do not

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<v Speaker 5>agree with.

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<v Speaker 3>If you call them an idiot, right, you make a

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<v Speaker 3>good point.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go with useful morons instead useful halfways. Now, it's

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<v Speaker 4>actually one of the better impulses in humankind, which is

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm leading toward. It's long been known that all

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<v Speaker 4>the intelligence agencies and governments of the world are interested

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<v Speaker 4>in influencing people to believe certain things to support certain

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<v Speaker 4>programs or certain governments. I mean that's obvious, right, Propaganda,

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<v Speaker 4>the Hitler Youth to the malt Se tongue and his

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<v Speaker 4>Red Guard, just all sorts of programs like that. And

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<v Speaker 4>a guy who's been studying this his whole life, his

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<v Speaker 4>name is a Jason Christoff, and he did a presentation

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<v Speaker 4>recently that was hosted by Senator Ron Johnson speaking of

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<v Speaker 4>rock ribbed Conservatives, and he explained how mind control is

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<v Speaker 4>easy to execute because human beings are essentially walking psyops.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, he quote, he said, Mimetic programming, which is

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<v Speaker 4>the process of having someone learned to imitate patterns and behaviors,

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<v Speaker 4>is routinely used in Hollywood films and by powerful corporations

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<v Speaker 4>and governments.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 4>Mind control works on the subconscious, and the subconscious is

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<v Speaker 4>something that loves us and wants.

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<v Speaker 3>To protect us.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's in the realm of activity, similar to your

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<v Speaker 4>heart beating. So there are things you understand as a

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<v Speaker 4>human being that you're not in control of.

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<v Speaker 3>They're instinctive.

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<v Speaker 4>Your subconscious mind is always looking to establish what the

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<v Speaker 4>bigger group of humans is doing, and so it is

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<v Speaker 4>responsive to repetitive content. Simply put, people are always looking

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<v Speaker 4>to learn what a larger group is doing and fit in,

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<v Speaker 4>meaning that repeated messages can be enormously powerful. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>obviously we're just talking about conformity here, but all sales

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<v Speaker 4>organizations know this sure. Quoting again from mister Christoff. The

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<v Speaker 4>reason the subconscious does this is because it knows that

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<v Speaker 4>most humans like other humans who act, talk and think

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<v Speaker 4>like they do, and all the subconscious nuh, All your

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<v Speaker 4>subconscious know that it's safer to bond with a bigger group.

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<v Speaker 4>To break this mind control technique down further, your subconscious

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<v Speaker 4>automatically absorbs repetitive content and forces people to adopt ideas

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<v Speaker 4>as their own.

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<v Speaker 3>Your reptile brain is telling.

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<v Speaker 4>You you decided this on your own, to go along

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<v Speaker 4>with the crowd, because, for whatever reason, that works better

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<v Speaker 4>with humans. It's more adaptive. As they say in anthropology,

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<v Speaker 4>that's why, for example, do any of my beliefs come

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<v Speaker 4>from my own thinking? Or is this all just because

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<v Speaker 4>I was surrounded by it? I think sometimes the best

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<v Speaker 4>you can do is be intellectually honest and examine your

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<v Speaker 4>beliefs and test them. Now, and again and try the

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<v Speaker 4>other ideas. But anyway, that's a great other topic.

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<v Speaker 3>What time is it? Yeah, we're good, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 4>This is why, for example, at a party where there's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of alcohol being served and consumed, people can

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<v Speaker 4>feel nervous saying no when offered a drink. Quote, if

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<v Speaker 4>you dare say no in opposition of the most repetitive content,

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<v Speaker 4>your nervous system will make you feel extremely uneasy and

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<v Speaker 4>full of anxiety, and it will also reward you for

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<v Speaker 4>going along with it, putting your neurology at peace and calm.

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<v Speaker 5>In the feeling of calmness, that's wow. So there's more

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<v Speaker 5>to peer pressure than.

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<v Speaker 4>Meets the eye, right exactly, It's not weakness, it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>anthropologically adaptive. The problem is, you know, unless you're an alcoholic,

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<v Speaker 4>you're gonna be fine having a drink, or unless somebody

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<v Speaker 4>is trying to feed your roofy and rape you or

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<v Speaker 4>something like that, you sally fine.

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<v Speaker 5>Bill Cosby's house, Oh right, exactly. In short, but if

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<v Speaker 5>there is.

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<v Speaker 4>An insidious group bent on evil utilizing these truths intentionally

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<v Speaker 4>and aggressively, you get an entire generation of young people

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<v Speaker 4>walking around saying It's not wrong to have a man

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<v Speaker 4>in a woman's sport, even though he whoops the hell

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<v Speaker 4>out of the women and takes all the titles. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not wrong to have a man in a women's prison

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<v Speaker 4>because that man says he's a woman. They come up

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<v Speaker 4>with an idea as ludicrous is that a man who

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<v Speaker 4>says he's a woman is actually a woman.

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<v Speaker 5>And then certainly things that are easier to go for.

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<v Speaker 5>I won't say fall four like hearing about climate change

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<v Speaker 5>every class you're ever in your whole life right.

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<v Speaker 4>Christoph actually touched on the COVID nineteen pandemic in the response, said,

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<v Speaker 4>media let's push highly similar similar narratives to quote unquote

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<v Speaker 4>control people, influencing them to stay at home. Mind control

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<v Speaker 4>is the basis of all advertising, and the governments have

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<v Speaker 4>been proven to be using the same group dynamic application

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<v Speaker 4>against the public. He pointed to examples such as the

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<v Speaker 4>UK's Behavioral Insights Team, informally known as the Nudge Unit.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you ever heard of this? No, It's a former

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<v Speaker 4>government organization now run by a charity, which uses behavioral

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<v Speaker 4>insights to change people's behavior, for example, by changing messaging

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<v Speaker 4>to make people more likely to pay their.

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<v Speaker 3>Taxes on time Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Christoff believes such tactics have been used to drive social

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<v Speaker 4>changes for decades, with depictions of large nuclear families on

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<v Speaker 4>screen diminishing since the nineteen fifties in favor of less

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<v Speaker 4>conventional families with fewer children, among other things. And corporations

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<v Speaker 4>use similar strategies.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're running out of time. But you get the idea.

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<v Speaker 4>And I've often said, you don't need to do what

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<v Speaker 4>the culture is doing because a lot of that is

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<v Speaker 4>designed by people who do not have your best interests

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<v Speaker 4>in mind. So maybe the only great takeaway from this

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<v Speaker 4>is if you find yourself wanting to conform, understand that

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<v Speaker 4>that is your animal brain being used, often by evil

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<v Speaker 4>people to try to get you to behave in a

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<v Speaker 4>certain way.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really interesting stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Armstrong and Joe Gerty The Armstrong and Getty Show,

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<v Speaker 1>The arm Strong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 5>So my thirteen year old, and it matters what his

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<v Speaker 5>age is. Apparently wanted to open a checking account at

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<v Speaker 5>the bank or an account at the bank because he's

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<v Speaker 5>got enough money built up from allowances and birthdays and Christmases,

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<v Speaker 5>and he doesn't spend his money like his brother does.

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<v Speaker 5>He saves it because he wants to be able to

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<v Speaker 5>put it toward a car someday and that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's got a decent sized chunk.

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<v Speaker 5>Of money added up over the years and he'd been

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<v Speaker 5>keeping it in his shoe box. And so he's going

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<v Speaker 5>to oput an account. And I remember when I opened

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<v Speaker 5>an account when I was probably about his age. I

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<v Speaker 5>started mowing lawns when I was twelve thirteen and accumulating

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<v Speaker 5>money and opening a bank account on.

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<v Speaker 3>The right passage. I remember it myself.

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<v Speaker 5>On the way to the bank, I did say to him,

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<v Speaker 5>I said, you know, I haven't I haven't been around

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<v Speaker 5>the idea of opening an account for a bank in.

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<v Speaker 3>Forty years something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't know if the rules have changed, but

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<v Speaker 5>so in case something happens, but anyway, we should we

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<v Speaker 5>get it there sure enough. And so we're trying to

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<v Speaker 5>open this account and everything like that. And first of all,

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<v Speaker 5>many banks everything is I don't know if it's because

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<v Speaker 5>the government comes down on them so hard or something

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<v Speaker 5>like that. They treat everybody like you're a want to

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<v Speaker 5>be terrorist.

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<v Speaker 3>Like everything you do, it's like, jeez, lighten up.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, he needs to have two forms of ID.

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<v Speaker 5>Is where we ran into the roadblock. I said, what

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<v Speaker 5>is a form of ID for a thirteen year old?

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<v Speaker 5>He said, and they said, well, your Social Security card

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<v Speaker 5>is birth certificate? Okay, great, So I said, the fact

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<v Speaker 5>that I'm his dad isn't good enough. I can't vouch

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<v Speaker 5>for the fact that he's my son and I have

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<v Speaker 5>an account here and have had for twenty five years

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<v Speaker 5>and open an account for him. I can't do that,

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<v Speaker 5>and no, we need to. And I said, is that

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<v Speaker 5>a bank policy or the state law or what is that?

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<v Speaker 5>Because I was thinking if it's a bank policy, I'll

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<v Speaker 5>go to a different bank. But uh, it's a federal law.

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<v Speaker 5>It's part of the Patriot Act. I said, oh, of course,

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<v Speaker 5>And he said, well, it's a federal I said, you

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<v Speaker 5>don't need to explain the federal government to me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I hate the federal government.

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<v Speaker 2>I said.

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<v Speaker 5>And then the guy looked at me like I was Oh.

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<v Speaker 5>He got wide eyed, like, oh, you're one of those people.

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<v Speaker 5>You're Timothy McVeigh, you're you're you're one of those people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, clearly I've heard about them.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, I hate the federal government. The Patriot Act's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 5>This is ridiculous. The fact that I can't open a

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<v Speaker 5>bank account for a thirteen year old, and as his parent,

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<v Speaker 5>I got I gotta prove who he is because you

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<v Speaker 5>can't take my word for the fact that he's my child.

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<v Speaker 5>Makes me child, say money laundering, little mule for your militia,

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<v Speaker 5>whatever you want to call him. The Patriot Act was

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<v Speaker 5>so much I was trying to explain it to en her.

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<v Speaker 5>He was so much crap that they jammed through. It's

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<v Speaker 5>all because of nine to eleven. So you're gonna stop

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<v Speaker 5>the next nine to eleven by making sure thirteen year

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<v Speaker 5>olds don't open illegal bank accounts. I guess whatever, even

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<v Speaker 5>though their parent, who you know, is sitting right there.

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<v Speaker 5>I hate stuff like that, and the and the but

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<v Speaker 5>they were there. Their eyes got so wide. When I

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<v Speaker 5>hate the said I hate the federal government. And I

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<v Speaker 5>was thinking if I was doing this same thing in

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<v Speaker 5>my and my where I went to college in Hayes, Kansas,

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<v Speaker 5>and I said I hate the federal government, the teller

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<v Speaker 5>would have said, yeah, me too, don't.

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<v Speaker 3>You high five Joe came into that brother, but that.

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<v Speaker 5>Just being oh, my god, you shouldn't she said, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>she gasped the woman gasped, and her.

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<v Speaker 3>Boss just looked at me white. I'd like, oh, were

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<v Speaker 3>we about to have a fight. Oh man, I have

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<v Speaker 3>to have two pieces of id even though he's my kid.

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<v Speaker 3>I just found that amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, here's here's the guy who retweets my quotes.

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<v Speaker 4>Get ready to jot this one down and get it right?

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<v Speaker 3>Would you?

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<v Speaker 4>Anytime the government says there's an emergency, there are two emergencies.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but actually exactly. And I actually told my son

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<v Speaker 5>because here's one, and he was really like, is that

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<v Speaker 5>something you can't say out loud? I said, I told him.

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<v Speaker 5>The most revered Republican president of the last maybe century,

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<v Speaker 5>Ronald Reagan, ran on the scariest words in the English

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<v Speaker 5>language are I'm here from the I'm from the government,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm here to help you. I mean, he ran on,

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<v Speaker 5>I hate the government, or I just saw clip this morning.

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<v Speaker 4>The government isn't the solution. Government is the problem.

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<v Speaker 5>And the woman who was typing furiously after I said that,

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<v Speaker 5>because she was so horrified that anybody would say that,

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<v Speaker 5>I said, you know, all the money in my account

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<v Speaker 5>I made that by going on the radio every day

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<v Speaker 5>and saying I hate the government and I make my living.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, if the Justice Department is listening, or

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<v Speaker 4>the FDIC or the CIA, the NSA, if I'm happy

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<v Speaker 4>to testify against this monster.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure I'm on some sort of terrorist watch list now, yes, Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>So wonder they didn't hit the silent alarm on you

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<v Speaker 3>and then you know, cops show up or something.

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<v Speaker 5>I would have been I would have loved to talk

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<v Speaker 5>to people and exp why it's okay for me to

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<v Speaker 5>say I hate the government.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, We've got to surveill him for a

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<v Speaker 4>while and go through his mail and monitor his phone calls.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got the NSA working on it already.

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<v Speaker 5>What I hate is the manager guy acting like it

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<v Speaker 5>makes sense that we have a law I can't vouch

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<v Speaker 5>for my kid being my kid. That seems perfectly reasonable

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<v Speaker 5>to me. Two forms of ID for a child right

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<v Speaker 5>when their parents is there. I thought, he says his name,

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<v Speaker 5>then I say his name?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that two forms of ID? And if not, what

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<v Speaker 3>the hell has the world becalled? I know Armstrong and.

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<v Speaker 2>The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 6>The US Navy has dozens of nuclear powered submarines. Fourteen

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<v Speaker 6>are capable of carrying nuclear weapons. Each Ohio class sub

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<v Speaker 6>can carry twenty trident ballistic missiles with eight nuclear warheads each,

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<v Speaker 6>meaning one American Ohio class nuclear submarine could strike one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred and sixty cities at once.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought it would be good to play something current

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<v Speaker 5>before we get into a discussion about the anniversary. Eighty

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<v Speaker 5>years since we dropped the atomic bomb on Japan. We

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<v Speaker 5>still have wars going on. Nuclear weapons are still a conversation.

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<v Speaker 5>People are still willing to fight to the death over

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<v Speaker 5>a variety for a variety of reasons. Nothing has changed

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<v Speaker 5>on that front since World War Two. World War One

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<v Speaker 5>was the going to be the war to end all wars.

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<v Speaker 5>Then we had World War Two, which was significantly significantly bigger.

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<v Speaker 5>And since World War Two, we've now had more people

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<v Speaker 5>die in wars since World War Two that happened during

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<v Speaker 5>World War Two.

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<v Speaker 4>And I believe as we speak, we have the most

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<v Speaker 4>armed conflicts going on Earth that has been recorded.

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<v Speaker 3>Really just heard that yesterday. I didn't know that it's

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<v Speaker 3>like one hundred and forty or something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So I get discouraged sometimes with my love of

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<v Speaker 5>history and that I feel like it is wrongly portrayed

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<v Speaker 5>so often or narratives catch on and they just become

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<v Speaker 5>the truth forever in some cases, and they're not accurate,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Just the way it is.

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<v Speaker 5>Like our friend, we like, Victor David Hanson's he wrote

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<v Speaker 5>a book a couple of years called The World Wars,

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<v Speaker 5>and he was trying to make the argument that it

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<v Speaker 5>was really separate wars that we call it World War Two,

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<v Speaker 5>but there were separate wars going on that really didn't

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<v Speaker 5>have much to do with each other. This other book

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<v Speaker 5>that I've been reading just recently, Operation Downfall by Richard B.

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<v Speaker 3>Frank.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the most recent book written about. Downfall was going

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<v Speaker 5>to be the was the campaign for US to end

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<v Speaker 5>the war with Japan. Japan bombs US December seventh, nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>forty one. They attacked US. Hitler had already been defeated

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<v Speaker 5>at this point, and we needed to figure out how

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<v Speaker 5>to finish off the Japanese who were still fighting like crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>But the whole fight in Japan and fighting Germany didn't

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<v Speaker 5>really have much to do with each other. There are

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<v Speaker 5>a couple of instances and when Japan and Germany kind

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<v Speaker 5>of worked together, but if it ever came down to it,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, think about it, these are two incredibly racist

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<v Speaker 5>regimes that believe the other side shouldn't exist un.

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<v Speaker 3>Planet Earth, so stay the hell away.

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<v Speaker 5>The Nazis would have killed every Japanese a person on

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<v Speaker 5>Earth if they had the opportunity, and vice versa. Japan

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<v Speaker 5>was an incredibly racist nation. They believe they were superior

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<v Speaker 5>to the Chinese, let alone the white mongrel United States.

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<v Speaker 5>And this Frank's guy is trying to make the argument

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<v Speaker 5>that a lot of historians have, but it just hasn't

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<v Speaker 5>worked yet, that World War Two started in nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 5>seven when Japan invaded China and started taking over that

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<v Speaker 5>part of the globe. Because we're mostly from Europe, and

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<v Speaker 5>we're so Europe focused, and most of our World War

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<v Speaker 5>two movies are about Europe and fighting the Nazis, we

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<v Speaker 5>just we don't we think World War two started in

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<v Speaker 5>September of thirty nine when Germany goes into Poland and

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<v Speaker 5>all those countries and starts doing their thing. But the

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<v Speaker 5>Japanese invaded China in nineteen thirty seven and started one

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<v Speaker 5>hell of a war. Eight million Chinese had died at

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<v Speaker 5>the hands of the Japanese.

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<v Speaker 3>Before Pearl Harbor. Eight million Chinese.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Japan was one of the most ruthless regimes that's

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<v Speaker 5>ever existed on planet Earth. Why we regularly refer to

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<v Speaker 5>Nazis or Hitler like the worst thing that has ever happened,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't quite know. Stalin was worth worse than Hitler,

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<v Speaker 5>and the Japanese were more deadly than the Nazis. Japan

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<v Speaker 5>controlled twenty percent of the planet. What they were fighting

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<v Speaker 5>at the time that we defeated them a significantly greater

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<v Speaker 5>chunk than the Nazis took over, even though they took

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<v Speaker 5>over most of Europe.

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<v Speaker 4>And call it racism or bigotry or just resentment, but

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<v Speaker 4>I've always reacted to the obscly, unspeakably stupid statement from

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<v Speaker 4>progressives that only white people can be racist, because ask

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<v Speaker 4>a Korean about the Japanese, right, ask a Japanese firston

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<v Speaker 4>about the Chinese, Ask a Filipino about any of them,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, will they bring the hate anyway? But

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<v Speaker 4>part of that is fairly legitimate resentment of I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>killing eight million of our people, often in horrific you

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<v Speaker 4>know ways.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And things had gotten so ugly there at the end,

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<v Speaker 5>fighting Japanese soldiers island by island as we tried to

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<v Speaker 5>get close enough to the main island of Japan to

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<v Speaker 5>at the time we thought we were going to invade.

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<v Speaker 5>We ended up deciding that wasn't going to work because

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<v Speaker 5>it would have been too deadly and too costly. Sixty

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<v Speaker 5>between sixty and seventy percent of all of our casualties

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<v Speaker 5>happened in the last year of the war. Half of

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<v Speaker 5>all marine deaths happened in the last couple of months,

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<v Speaker 5>as we're fighting island to island. By the time we

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<v Speaker 5>got to Canal, it was the first battle in which

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<v Speaker 5>we lost more people, more men died that were US

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<v Speaker 5>soldiers than the Japanese lost, and we just figured that

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<v Speaker 5>that was going to continue as we got closer to

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<v Speaker 5>the island and then invading the island, we were going

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<v Speaker 5>to take way more deaths than they were going to take.

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<v Speaker 5>So people who make the argument we shouldn't have dropped

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<v Speaker 5>the bomb, why do you think we should suffer more

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<v Speaker 5>losses than the people that attacked us?

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<v Speaker 3>What's the argument there?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and there are a lot of good arguments on

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<v Speaker 4>that side. Loyal listener Mike San Francisco urged us me

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<v Speaker 4>to read about the Battle of Okinawa, which raged for

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<v Speaker 4>two months in three weeks and was one of the

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<v Speaker 4>last big ones before we were either going to invade

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<v Speaker 4>Japan or not. But one hundred thousand Japanese troops in Okinawa,

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<v Speaker 4>fifty thousand Allied casualties, around one hundred thousand Japanese casualties,

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<v Speaker 4>also including local Okinawan's conscripted into the Japanese army according

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<v Speaker 4>to localists, already is at least one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 4>nine thousand Okinawan people were killed, died by course, suicide,

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<v Speaker 4>or went missing. So, yeah, the carnage at the end was, Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>it's unspeakable, it's unsinkable.

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<v Speaker 5>It is a version of total war that is practically

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<v Speaker 5>unseen on planet Earth. Why it doesn't get discussed more often,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know. And then as to the idea that

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<v Speaker 5>Japan would have surrendered at any point, so Japan had

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<v Speaker 5>never surrendered historically in their twenty seven hundred year existence,

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<v Speaker 5>they had never surrendered to an invader, and more recently,

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<v Speaker 5>during World War Two, no Japanese unit, not one, had

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<v Speaker 5>surrendered in any battle, no matter how defeated they were.

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<v Speaker 5>They would continue to fight until they were all dead.

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<v Speaker 5>That was just to the last span their culture. And

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<v Speaker 5>it's kind of hard for us to get into the

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<v Speaker 5>mindset of it's why the whole Kamakazi thing worked. They

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<v Speaker 5>have a cultun of mindset that we do not have

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:05.399
<v Speaker 5>of where they would take such great pride to have

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 5>their young son go get in a plane and fly

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 5>it into a ship and die. They were perfectly okay

0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 5>with that. It made every bit of sense to them

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:19.199
<v Speaker 5>to serve their god, King here Ahito. Thing that they

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.399
<v Speaker 5>had going on, that we also can't quite wrap our

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 5>heads around culturally because it not only was it a monarch,

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 5>but it was a religious figure, and we just we

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.919
<v Speaker 5>can't it doesn't make any sense to us culturally the

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:36.960
<v Speaker 5>way that that worked. Roosevelt also believed, if you're a

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:39.440
<v Speaker 5>fan of World War One, you know the hole stabbed

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:43.240
<v Speaker 5>in the back myth that entered into Germany after Germany

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:47.360
<v Speaker 5>lost and we left their government, we the Allies, left

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 5>their government in charge. Then the young Hitlers of the world,

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 5>people that had fought in the warst started this whole

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:55.480
<v Speaker 5>Our government stabbed us in the back, and it's the

0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:58.320
<v Speaker 5>dirty Jews that caused it. Thing that grew and grew

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.920
<v Speaker 5>and grew and led to the rise of the anger

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:03.919
<v Speaker 5>of the German society. And Nazi Germany and World War

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 5>two and all that. Roosevelt knew that, and he didn't

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:10.159
<v Speaker 5>want to leave in Germany or Japan any He wanted

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 5>to make sure Roosevelt believed Germany and Japan, every man,

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 5>woman and child in the country had to believe they

0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 5>were defeated. To make sure that they either one of

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:19.960
<v Speaker 5>them didn't rise up again. They had to all know

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:23.879
<v Speaker 5>they were beaten, completely beaten. They were their own.

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Government didn't stab in the back, nothing like that happened.

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 5>They were soundly defeated, and that was one of the

0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:29.679
<v Speaker 5>reasons they had to take it clear to the end

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 5>the way they did. Combined with that nobody had ever surrendered,

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:34.880
<v Speaker 5>so there's no reason to think they would ever give up.

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 5>The Japanese we now have we've only had this for

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:41.480
<v Speaker 5>thirty years. We now have the communications that were going

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 5>on in Japan. Thanks to Japanese historians. There are only

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 5>six people in control of the whole decision, they called

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.639
<v Speaker 5>the Big Six. Five of them were in the military,

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 5>and they had no interest in surrendering whatsoever, and they

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 5>were willing to lose tens of millions of Japanese civilians.

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 5>They believe if we surrounded him and did a blockade

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 5>and tried to starve them out, which ended up that

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 5>was going to be the plan. If we didn't drop

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 5>the bomb, we were going to surround Japan and starve

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 5>millions of people until they surrendered, which would have killed

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:15.120
<v Speaker 5>way more people than the bombs killed. But the Big

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 5>Six in Japan, they figured, if twenty million Japanese starved,

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:23.159
<v Speaker 5>the world opinion will finally turn against the Allies in

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:24.360
<v Speaker 5>the United States, and.

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:26.959
<v Speaker 3>While surry hamas like strategy.

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 5>Exactly, and we'll be able to negotiate a much better situation.

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 5>They're perfectly comfortable with that for anybody who argues that

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 5>there is a way out that would have been less

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 5>deadly than the nuclear weapons. Also mentioned it the other day,

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:45.880
<v Speaker 5>but worth mentioning again, around two hundred thousand people were

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 5>killed by the bombs. It's hard depends on where you

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 5>know you do the cutoff because the cancer later and

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.120
<v Speaker 5>everything like that. But around two hundred thousand died from

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 5>the bombs that were dropped eighty years ago tomorrow, and

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 5>then on the ninth the other bomb, twice as many

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 5>Japanese as that at the hands of the Russians in

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 5>the very same weeks as Russia was coming on and

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 5>taking ground and trying to take it back from that

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 5>much more ruthless than we were. When you ever hear

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 5>anybody say anything about that, well, yeah, self hatred is

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 5>the hallmark of the progressive and they're proud of it.

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:27.439
<v Speaker 4>They stoke it, they like it, and it's it's just

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 4>it's it's perverse.

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 5>They had a million men ready to defend a ground invasion,

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 5>some eight thousand planes, maybe half of which we're going

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 5>to be kamakazis attacking every one of our ships, which

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 5>would have been That's why they ultimately decided, and we've

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 5>only known this since the nineties, that are our navy

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 5>decided we ain't going to do this. That's a no.

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 5>We're a no vote on that. So the ground invasion

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 5>was not gonna have it because it would have been

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 5>too deadly. It just absolutely couldn't be done. So it

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 5>was either starve them out or drop the bomb. So

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 5>I went to the Oppenheimer movie with a friend. When

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 5>was that three four years ago that that Oppenheimer movie

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 5>came out. This friend was a super lib But anyway,

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 5>we're driving away from the movie theater and we're having

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 5>a conversation about the whole should we have dropped the

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 5>bomb or not? Kind of got started the conversation and

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 5>it was very funny because it took us ten fifteen

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 5>minutes of driving and saying, I know, can you believe

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 5>that there are some people that believe that. Before we

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 5>realized we were, we had completely different positions. We're both saying,

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 5>I know, it's crazy that people believe that. I was thinking,

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 5>it's crazy that people believe we shouldn't have dropped the bomb.

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 5>She was thinking, it's crazy that people think we should

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 5>have dropped the bomb. And at some point, and it

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 5>got very quiet in the car after that, we realized, oh, oh,

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 5>we're completely on the opposite side of this, because those

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 5>of us on whichever side, just can't believe the other

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 5>side believed what they believe. And I'm on the side of,

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 5>obviously we should have dropped the bomb. Who wouldn't have

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 5>given the circumstances. But there are plenty of people that

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 5>think it's just nuts that we opened up the can

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 5>of worms, and it's one of the great black marks

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 5>in US history that we crossed that line and dropped.

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 3>In atomic bomb on Japan. Yeah, what's the.

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 5>Other pushback the best put what's what's the college kid?

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 5>College professor pushback on dropping the bomb that Japan was

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 5>prepared to offer a not unconditional, but more or less

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 5>complete surrender, and that it just had to be worked

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 5>out over the course of a couple more days of conversation.

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's no documentation for that.

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 4>There are a couple of communications from a couple of

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 4>people that hint that that might be possible, and they

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 4>extrapolate from there and feel free.

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 3>We can talk about this as long as you want.

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 4>But on the at home sociological why do people believe

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 4>what your friend did? It occurred to me, and I've

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 4>said this many many times, that if you are on

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 4>the left, you get a great deal of social reinforcement,

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 4>a lot of pats on the back, acceptance for being

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 4>a self hating American. But it's funny. I hadn't really

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 4>looked at it from the other perspective. You cannot be

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 4>accepted in those circles if you are a patriotic American

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 4>who thinks, by and large, we have been a great

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 4>country doing mostly the right thing. I mean that is

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 4>you are drummed out. That's it's like committing an act

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 4>of violence. You know, at a social club, that's it.

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 4>There's no hearing you're gone. That's enormous social pressure for

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 4>those people.

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 5>Well, just as a response to your thing for we

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 5>and we can break And I want to get two

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 5>in the weeds one this, but the Big Six made

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 5>all the decisions for Japan. If there was going to

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 5>be any sort of surrender, they would have to do it.

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 5>There's no indication anybody in that group wanted to surrender.

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 5>And five of the X were in the military and

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 5>they absolutely were into fighting to the last man.

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 3>So it just was never gonna happen.

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 5>Right Anyway, I wanted to get this on on the

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 5>fifth because I have a feeling tomorrow you'll hear a

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 5>lot of news from mainstream media pushing the idea that

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 5>we did something wrong, and I'll be interested to see

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 5>how that plays on your evening newscast.

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 2>The Armstrong and Getty Show. Yeah, Marjah, your shoe podcasts

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 2>and our hot links thee Armstrong and Getty Show.

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 5>Do you have a compelling reason for why we eighty

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 5>year anniversary of US dropping the bomb on Japan is tomorrow?

0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 5>Do you have a reason why we focus so much

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 5>more on the fight in the nazis European part of

0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 5>World War.

0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 3>Two as opposed to the Pacific War.

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 4>I don't know that I've perceived that in the same

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 4>way you did. I've always been into the Pacific War,

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 4>partly because my father in law served there, and I've

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 4>always been acutely aware of it.

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, maybe culturally, I.

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 5>Know, factually, in terms of movies and books and everything,

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 5>like the whole European theater dominates and has forever. I

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 5>think it's because it was just so morally more clear cut.

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 5>Things got so ugly against the Japanese, bit by bit,

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 5>island by island, where both sides were just so. The

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 5>book I'm reading read several of them, Twilight of the

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 5>Gods by Ian Tole, which is considered one of the

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 5>definitive books on it. He had a story, Oh, by

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 5>the way, we got a text the Japanese. The text was,

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 5>it's cute that you think the Japanese surrendered because of

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 5>the bombs. It was because they knew Russia was coming.

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 5>There's no documentation about that. If you have a book

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.240
<v Speaker 5>that says that's true, that's a common narrative, but there's

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 5>no documentation that that conversation was being had by the

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 5>Big Six who made these decisions in Japan. So if

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:04.960
<v Speaker 5>you have a different book that says they were, you know,

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 5>feel free to text me.

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 3>I'd be interested in reading it.

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 5>For instance, on one of the islands, and I don't

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 5>remember which one it was, but this became a common thing.

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 5>Our marines would come across dead US soldiers who had

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 5>had their genitals cut off and shoved in their mouths,

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.400
<v Speaker 5>sometimes while they were alive, by the Japanese. So the

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 5>Japanese soldiers had come across, you know, a wounded marine

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 5>cut off his junk stick in his mouth. So we

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:34.839
<v Speaker 5>got more and more brutal, and it just it got

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:38.280
<v Speaker 5>that way to where it was just like freaking Lord

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 5>of the Flies, total war, as awful as it could get,

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 5>foot by foot, trench by trench in the mud and

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 5>the blood and your own feces and everything right across

0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 5>the islands, And that's what it was going to be

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 5>in Japan. And it had a story in there of

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:59.279
<v Speaker 5>collecting gold teeth became a thing, so US soldiers would

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 5>collect gold tea And it had a story in there

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 5>about one US soldier coming across a wounded but still

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 5>alive Japanese who then took his bayonet and started digging

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 5>in the guy's mouth, trying to pry his teeth out

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 5>while they're still alive. Of some of the fellow US

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.280
<v Speaker 5>soldiers said, dude, that's not cool. Came up and shot

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 5>the guy in the head to put him out of

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 5>his misery. But that's the sort of warfare. It was

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 5>there at the end, and it was going to be

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:28.080
<v Speaker 5>that times. Who knows how many thousand on the beaches

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 5>of Japan if we actually invaded.

0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, and I think Europe got more coverage partly because

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 4>a film crew could do what they did then go

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 4>back to Paris or London or whatever, and so you

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 4>can't do that in the islands of the Pacific.

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:48.279
<v Speaker 5>Space, said Crisis a legend alls a hard time.

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:53.320
<v Speaker 3>This bad trucker with Elasi, bad therapy and a mouth

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 3>they went.

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 1>They covered it all this morning and tomorrow they'll do

0:35:59.160 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>even more.

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 4>The arms strong and Getty showed the conscience.

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 3>Serveny