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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Pod Meets World, where we usually rewatch

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Speaker 1: Boy meets World and talk about what it was like

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Speaker 1: growing up on set, growing up on screen, and growing

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Speaker 1: up period. But today we continue our new little side

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Speaker 1: quest with Pod Meets World Book Club Edition. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna every now and then we pick a book, read it,

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Speaker 1: lessons from Feeni, just a conversation about what we're reading now,

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Speaker 1: how it hits us, and what it says about the

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Speaker 1: stories we tell and the people we're becoming. And this

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Speaker 1: time the book comes from none other than fantasy super

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Speaker 1: fan Wilfredell's.

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Speaker 2: Very excited, very excited, Welcome to my world people.

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Speaker 3: His pick A.

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Speaker 1: Deadly Education by Naomi Novic. It's a dark twist on

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Speaker 1: the magic school genre, set in a place called the

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Speaker 1: Scollarman schoolments I would say, yeah, yes, scholar Mance basically

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Speaker 1: a school for young sorcerers where the steaks aren't just

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Speaker 1: grades their survival. Our protagonist Elle has a powerful magic

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Speaker 1: and a chip on her shoulder. She's sarcastic, prickly, and

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Speaker 1: is fast paced, biting, and full of monsters, both literal

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Speaker 1: and emotional, and it sparks all kinds of questions about power, identity,

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Speaker 1: and how we decide who we want to be. So

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Speaker 1: sharpen your wands, watch your back, and let's head into

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Speaker 1: the scholomance. Welcome to Podneys world. I'm right strong.

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Speaker 3: I'm Danielle Fischl, and I'm Wilfredell.

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Speaker 4: So you picked a fantasy book that's only three hundred

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Speaker 3: It was? It? Ye? Basically was that a consideration? It was?

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Speaker 5: Okay, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was also the consideration of what kind of fantasy

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Speaker 2: book I wanted to pick, because I know writers read

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Speaker 3: You have read No Fear of Fantasy.

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Speaker 2: And so I was like, do I want to start

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Speaker 2: high fantasy? Because my original thought was going to be

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Speaker 2: pawn a Prophecy by David Ennings, which is the book

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Speaker 2: that kind of got me into fantasy when I was

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Speaker 2: but it's also just phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you just take a moment to describe what

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Speaker 1: high fantasy is.

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Speaker 3: High fantasy is more of a fantasy.

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Speaker 2: There's magical systems involved, but it's very character driven. You're

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Speaker 2: gonna get a lot of elves. You're gonna get like

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Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings.

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Speaker 3: Tolkien is high fantasy. So did I want to start

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Speaker 2: And then I remember you really liking Harry Potter, which

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Speaker 2: I've never read.

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Speaker 3: No, but you liked the movies.

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Speaker 5: I've never seen them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I remember somebody who looks like you really

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Speaker 5: That makes sense.

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Speaker 2: That's because whatever girl I was talking to at the

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Speaker 3: I thought there was a girl. Danielle's a girl. All

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Speaker 3: So I figured school getting in there that kind of genre.

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Speaker 3: You liked school, You're a big fan of that.

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Speaker 5: That is that I am el Yes, essentially, I.

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Speaker 3: Thought there was a chance this was something.

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Speaker 2: It's also was its it's newer, and uh Naomi Novic

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Speaker 3: And I don't know where we've lived.

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Speaker 1: And you've read everything that Naomi Novic has written, not everything,

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Speaker 1: but mostly I've read She Dies.

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Speaker 2: The Uh, I'm gonna mispronounce it. I think it's called

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Speaker 1: Which a pronunciation is going to be a big deal today.

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Speaker 3: Me too. I was literally looking up Mel exactly.

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Speaker 4: No, you can just l's name gad Gallda Rail, Gladril, Gladriel, Gladriel, Gladril, Gladril.

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Speaker 3: It's not everything. Let's go to be Yeah, let's go

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Speaker 3: Wow. So I wanted something that I knew I could

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Speaker 3: kind of where I settled with you. I was taking

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we're gonna break today into five segments like

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's open up our books and begin.

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Speaker 1: I'll give a brief synopsis. Deadly Education is the first

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Speaker 1: book in the Scholomance trilogy by Naomi Novic, best selling

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Speaker 1: author known for blenning fantasy with literary depth.

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Speaker 3: She reimagines the Magic School trope with a much darker twist.

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Speaker 1: This is a school for magically gifted teens, but instead

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Speaker 1: monsters called malificaria yeah, that prey on the students. Our protagonists,

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Speaker 1: Galadriel L. Higgins, is no Harry Potter. She's not your

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Speaker 3: The magical system with their own sort of like math

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Speaker 5: Every night.

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Speaker 3: Can for forty two Dan Brown chapters.

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Speaker 1: By the way, So that's so funny because I almost

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Speaker 5: Was too much. It was too much.

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Speaker 4: Also because she is so isolated and so dark and

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Speaker 3: She's horribly unlikable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved that.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I just by the time, I was like, oh

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Speaker 5: Over and over again, but about new places and and

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Speaker 4: And like I was like, is Malia somehow connected to

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Speaker 5: Ever, and she's because she's never had a friend, no.

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Speaker 3: This was the one that did to me.

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Speaker 2: got it, and I was, yeah, I was that guy

444
00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:59,400
Speaker 2: with this.

445
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Speaker 3: Series about you writer.

446
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 1: I I loved the verse seventy five hundred pages. I

447
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 1: love the approach it didn't I mean ultimately like it

448
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 1: lands with more plot hooks right to keep you going,

449
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: of course, And when I got there, I was like, okay,

450
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 1: but no, I found it a little exhausting.

451
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 3: I found it.

452
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 1: I found it sort of maintaining at a certain point,

453
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of the same scene. Yes, yeah, over that,

454
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,159
Speaker 1: and the dynamic as complicated as her interior monologue is,

455
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 1: and as complicated as she is about analyzing her relationships

456
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 1: with everybody and herself, and she actually doesn't have much

457
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 1: desire or wants on her own. And I really wanted

458
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 1: to know how does she like Orion?

459
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 3: Does she you know?

460
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,959
Speaker 1: And she knows well, but I but you know, by

461
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,919
Speaker 1: the end, don't any spoiler.

462
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 3: I guess we're just gonna have spoilers.

463
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that he kisses her at the end,

464
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 1: and that that becomes a sort of you know, I

465
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 1: was I wanted.

466
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 3: To know, how do you do you want this? You

467
00:20:59,200 --> 00:20:59,679
Speaker 3: like somebody?

468
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,880
Speaker 1: Or are these people really your friends? I just wanted

469
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 1: a little more introspection on that. I felt like the

470
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 1: author and maybe it develops throughout, you know, but I

471
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: felt like the author got trapped by the brilliance of

472
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: her first idea, which was and the brilliance of that voice,

473
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 1: and then sort of was treading water for a long time, and.

474
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 3: And yeah, we can get into the end of the book.

475
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 3: But yeah, so I was a little exhausted, you know.

476
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Speaker 1: I was kind of like I don't think I would

477
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Speaker 1: have finished this book if it wasn't really interesting, because

478
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: I kind.

479
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 2: Of I was like, you pick up a book evenstand that.

480
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,360
Speaker 1: All right, well let's get let's go move into put

481
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: it on the board where we talk about the big

482
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: themes or ideas. So how does the dynamic between l

483
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: and Ryan complicate traditional hero villain or damsel and savior tropes?

484
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 4: How does it complicate him? I mean, she is not

485
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 4: she is not appreciative right at all.

486
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: It opens with her having already been saved by him, great.

487
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 2: Opening line that it was a wonderful opening line to

488
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Speaker 2: a book where he's like, which is just by the

489
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: second time he saved me, I knew I had.

490
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 3: To kill it.

491
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 5: I knew I had to kill it exactly.

492
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 4: And you know the thing I'll say about him, he's

493
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Speaker 4: a pretty boring character.

494
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 5: In this first book.

495
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 4: You yeah, because I don't know anything about him either.

496
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 4: And I do know because I'm fifty pages into the

497
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 4: second book. They start immediately with delving into them and

498
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 4: does she like him?

499
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Speaker 5: And who is he really? And so I know we're

500
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Speaker 5: going to get more of it.

501
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 4: But in this first book, other than the idea that

502
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 4: in some ways we kind of are supposed to feel sorry.

503
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 5: For him toward the end, he can't.

504
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 4: He doesn't get to use really, I mean, he can

505
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 4: use his own mana, but he doesn't have access to

506
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 4: it the same way the other enclave kids do. And

507
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 4: yet he's contributing more mana to this shared pool than

508
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 4: any other character, and they the entire school has come

509
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 4: to zent him for saving so many lives because the

510
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 4: Malifikaria are not able to eat any students because he's

511
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 4: stopped so many killings, and so he is resented for

512
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 4: being a hero. And he is kind of personality lists.

513
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Speaker 1: He's sort of like the popular kid, right, I mean,

514
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: he's like the popular.

515
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 4: Is a popular kid with hunched over shoulders who kind

516
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 4: of just like the popular.

517
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:28,719
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to be popular.

518
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 2: He doesn't want everyone else has made him popular. He

519
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be popular, which is why we think

520
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: at the beginning he likes l because I was like,

521
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't like you. I'm not going to kiss here. Yeah,

522
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 2: I want nothing to do with you. And he's like, oh, ok,

523
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 2: you real person.

524
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: Let me let me be near you.

525
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: Which I love and I will say as you get

526
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 2: into books two and three and find out more about

527
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: Orian not a.

528
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: Basic character really yeah, and not a basic character.

529
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 4: Okay, well, in this first book he leaves. He leaves

530
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 4: a lot to be desired.

531
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Speaker 2: That's the thing about fantasy is it's almost you almost

532
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: have to look at when you know it's multiple fantasy,

533
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 2: when you know it's going to be a series, you

534
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: almost have to look at each book as its own chapter.

535
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 4: That makes sense, and each book focusing a more on

536
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 4: one character, kind of like the seasons of Boy Meets

537
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 4: World focused on individual characters more as you build out

538
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 4: the world.

539
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 5: So that makes sense.

540
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: And you also don't know who you're gonna like and

541
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: who you're not until the book goes on more. I mean,

542
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 2: by the end of Harry Potter you still like Harry,

543
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: but it's like you might be more of a Ron

544
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 2: fan at this point, or you might be like Neville

545
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: was my favorite care you just never know, as they're

546
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: kind of like Nevill was anybody not true?

547
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 3: Sir?

548
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: All right, well, here's here's a big question. What do

549
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: you what do you think that this book is saying

550
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: about privilege?

551
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 5: I do love that topic in this book.

552
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't want hug this whole thing,

553
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 4: but like obviously for both Ell and O'Ryan, they both

554
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 4: they have their own totally different experiences with privilege. Oriyan

555
00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 4: is in the most privileged enclave that exist New York,

556
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 4: and Elle is not part of an enclave, has no desire.

557
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 4: She thought, maybe early on in her life, that her

558
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 4: only goal was I'm going to go to the skull Amantsid,

559
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 4: I'm going to join an enclave. And her mom didn't

560
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 4: want her to, and but she that was what she

561
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: thought she wanted, and then she realized once she got there,

562
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 4: absolutely not. I see how unfair it is. I see

563
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 4: how there's no reason this group of people because of

564
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 4: their access to mana, which in this book kind of

565
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 4: represents money.

566
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: Right power and power, literal power.

567
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: It's sort of class. Whatever privilege you have or whatever

568
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: mana you have access to is some form.

569
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 3: Of power class yea. Yeah.

570
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: And they even talk about the kids that they call

571
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: it on the maintenance track, where it's like they'll fix

572
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: everything in the school, which is way more dangerous, very

573
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: danger you could die, but they know they'll get a

574
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: place in an enclave. But even when they get into

575
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: the enclave, they're going to be there essentially as.

576
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: Janitor's right exactly, this is what you're going to get.

577
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: Yes, you'll be protected and you'll have access to the power,

578
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: but you're still just fixing all for the rich people.

579
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: So it's really it.

580
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: And again, just going back to something you said a

581
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 2: while before, and I know this is a meta kind

582
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 2: of take on it, but where you said it kind

583
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: of got almost monotonous. It's repeating itself. It's the same

584
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: scene over and over again.

585
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 3: To me. That's again that's high school. It's like every

586
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: it is the same.

587
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: It just happens to be that there's monsters in this one,

588
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: but high schools like that everything's the most important thing

589
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: in your life. Every day is kind of exactly the same.

590
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: There's power and clicks all over the place. It just

591
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: kind of seemed like that going through all.

592
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: So then what does this book say about systems in general,

593
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: or like social systems or social structures. Does it land

594
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 3: somewhere for you?

595
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: I think it depends on which characters eyes you're looking through.

596
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 2: If you're looking at ELL's eye, looking through L's eyes,

597
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: I think what she's I mean, the thing that's amazing

598
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: is she has the most power. At least they're setting

599
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: it up to where she's the most powerful magical character

600
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: in the book, yes.

601
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 3: And essentially refut u to use it.

602
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: And then you've got the second most powerful character who's

603
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: only using it for good and still tamped down by

604
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: the powerful people because he wouldn't be able to stop

605
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: using his power. It's a weird combination of what the

606
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: power actually signifies, because it signifies both good and evil,

607
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: and like anything else, it's how you use it. So

608
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: a hammer is neither good or evil. If you use

609
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: it to build a house, it's good. If you use

610
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: it to kill somebody, it's bad. So that's I think

611
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: what they're kind of coming at in this book.

612
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: It's all how you use it.

613
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: But I can tell you it gets way more into

614
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: the enclaves, way more into the power structure, especially in

615
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: the third book. And all of this is really well addressed,

616
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 2: especially in the third book, this entire idea of power

617
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: and safety, because there's safety and power and all the

618
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: things that especially the Chloe who's part of the New

619
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: York Enclave, who does come and apologize to her, who says, like,

620
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: I didn't understand most of the stuff going on because

621
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: she's raised isolated. You're there is there is an isolation

622
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: to power and money, where you are in a bubble

623
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: of this.

624
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting, is that

625
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: this book is kind of revolutionary, like in that everybody

626
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: suffering from the system. Yes, so even the rich kids

627
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: are the privileged kids like Oryan are miserable, and I

628
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty powerful. And the way that this

629
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: book at least ends, they're they're banding together to overthrow

630
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: the entire system, even the outside and outsider like l

631
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: begins this book just wanting to be in it in

632
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: some way or maybe to destroy it from within. And

633
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: then by the end, they're all kind of saying that, right,

634
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: they're all saying this doesn't work. We need to change

635
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: the whole way the world, and that's really revolutionary. Harry

636
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: Potter gets there in like book five maybe or six,

637
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: where they're kind of against the school, but this book's

638
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: right there.

639
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: I thought it was really.

640
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: A really kind of powerful revolutionary social message.

641
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: And the second book is really about the power of

642
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: working together. Not to sound trite, but that's really what

643
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: you get is there's a power.

644
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 3: In numbers, there's a safety in numbers.

645
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I love how she literally got into the

646
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: percentage of the enclave kids usually eighty percent of them

647
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: made it out, where as like thirty percent of the

648
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: non enclave kids made it out. And it's just that's

649
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: kind of what money and power does in our society.

650
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, first interesting.

651
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: At first, it bothered me that the school kind of

652
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 4: becomes its own character in the sense of like.

653
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 5: The school has desires.

654
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 4: The school is trying to get l to do a

655
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: certain thing. And at first I was like, I don't

656
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: want the school to have its own wants and desires.

657
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: But when I thought about it in relation to power

658
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: and the way it works with enclaves, it's like, well,

659
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: we have government that sways.

660
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: Oh wait till the end of parts of the second book,

661
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: because it is you come to find out in this book.

662
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: But it really gets into it in the second book.

663
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: The school is sentient, so it's arts to try to

664
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: a help or be defend itself at certain times, right,

665
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: And they really.

666
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: Get into this. It has to and it's all about this.

667
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: The other thing is one of my favorite You know

668
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: how you love time travel and you love one of

669
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: my favorite tropes in all of fantasy is balanced I

670
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: just because I think most of those think about.

671
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: This because this to me was so interesting, Like the

672
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: magic system, right, and how it introduces limitation and balance,

673
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: How did that compare in this book to like the

674
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: way it's because you know all these magic systems, right, Like,

675
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: how would you compare this magic system and it's specifically

676
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: it's use of balance and limitation, how does that compare

677
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: to other fantasy books you've read?

678
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: You know, it depends.

679
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: All great fantasy has balance, and I mean even down

680
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: to comic books. You know, Superman can't be all powerful.

681
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: He also there has to be kryptonite, there has to

682
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: be magic, there has to be things that can hurt him,

683
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: or it's a useless character. So great magical systems in

684
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: fantasy novels are hey, I can put out all this power,

685
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: but then I'm useless for three months. You need that

686
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: kind of balance, So you know, it depends. Again, I

687
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: keep going back to Brandon Sanderson. Brandon Sanderson is great

688
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: with balance. Brandon Sanderson is great with I can do this,

689
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: but then this happens.

690
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: It struck me as so important read this book huge

691
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: because I loved how how she was able to make

692
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: it not just like an energy drains also kind of

693
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: a money drain thing like the kids had mana that

694
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: that was given by their parents.

695
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: She had to exercise. Ye, she could do push ups

696
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: and sit ups to create her own mind, which.

697
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, it's also physical.

698
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: It's like with hard work, we can pull ourselves up

699
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: by the bootstraps.

700
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: But that's also not true.

701
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: Like I just thought that this, this specific magic system

702
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: was really clever in that way. And it made me

703
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: think like, oh, right, because I you know, I teach

704
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: world building and in screenwriting, and like I feel like,

705
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: now I'm really going to just focus on what is

706
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: not possible, like focus on the limitations of your world building.

707
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: Because that's way more important.

708
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: I realized this. I was like, I don't need to

709
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: know what artificers can do, Like I don't need to

710
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: know the most powerful magic. I just need to know

711
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: what they can't do. Yeah, that's like so that guide's

712
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: character and story so much more.

713
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: And it's also it's one of those little things.

714
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: It's it sounds like a ridiculous comparison, but within this

715
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 2: magical system, the idea of you build up your mon

716
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: and you build up your mon and you build up

717
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: your mona and then something attacks. It's the equivalent of

718
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: your saving money you're saving money. I'm finally getting it

719
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: and my car breaks exactly now half of my money's gone.

720
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: And it's the same with this. Or it's like I'm

721
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: building up.

722
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: And because only have a certain amount of time because

723
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: you have graduation on the environment, Yeah you might, you're

724
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 4: gonna need it all for them, So you have like

725
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 4: only a certain number of days left to earn more money.

726
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: And you might find out in the future books that

727
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: the school is sending some of these things at you

728
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: to exhaust your mind.

729
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 5: And I know.

730
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying there.

731
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's like the school wants something because it's

732
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: also about balance.

733
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: You're you're saving all these kids.

734
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: That's great, but that's now making all the Malfikaria really angry.

735
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: And so now actually more of the seniors are going

736
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: to die, and that's not fair.

737
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's this whole it's it works on a

738
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: bunch of different levels, it really does.

739
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: All right, let's move into show your work, where we

740
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: talk about the writing itself, the style and the characters

741
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: and the structure. So compared to more traditional fantasy novels,

742
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: how does her first person stream of thought narration shift

743
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: the genres, feel or the stakes.

744
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 5: Will you're the expert here.

745
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: I'm I'm this. Here's how I put it.

746
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: I am sparingly a big fan of first person storytelling.

747
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: I don't want every story to be told like this,

748
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 2: but occasionally it is. It's very refreshing to get it

749
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: in this kind of voice, and I think in this

750
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: situation specifically, it worked perfectly because I also didn't especially

751
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: the beginning, I didn't like the person who was telling

752
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: me the story, which added to me liking the story.

753
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: If it's instantly like God, I love this guy, tell

754
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: me more, that's fine. But if it's like, oh God,

755
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't like you, why are you complaining again, I'm

756
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: still flipping through the pages going like ooh, what comes

757
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: dock so?

758
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: And then?

759
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 2: And I love her pros. I think I think she's

760
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 2: a phenomenal writer. I really do, and you really see

761
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: it more in the I think it's to Mary, and

762
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: I don't know how to say it to Mary.

763
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 3: Book series. She can just write's yeah.

764
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 4: She's a really wonderful writer. I will say, like I said,

765
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: I have to. I was reading it before bed, which

766
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 4: means I've already taken a melotone and I've also taken

767
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 4: a unism, and some of the sentences are you know, paragraphs,

768
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 4: and in there are vocabulary words that you're like, okay,

769
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: and I still don't really even know what this is.

770
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 4: So there were times that I would find myself halfway

771
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: down a page and I'd go, well, I stopped paying

772
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 4: attention to what I was reading. My brain started thinking

773
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: about something totally different. Now I have to go back

774
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 4: and reread it and like try to focus. So it's

775
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: not a book that you unlike Blob that was so

776
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 4: beach read by the pool h So yeah, someone could

777
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 4: walk up have a conversation with you, could get distracted

778
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 4: and go right back and know exactly what was happening.

779
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: I felt like I had to. I had to pay

780
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: attention because I was also worried this word that maybe

781
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 4: I don't understand. Now it's not going to be the

782
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 4: last time I see it. This is also going to

783
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 4: come back again. I need to pay attention to who

784
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 4: these people are and what their relationships to their enclaves.

785
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 4: Who are they are they outcasts? What is her relationship

786
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 4: with them? I felt like everything was important, which is great.

787
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: It's intense, voice exhaust it's exhaust Here's the thing, though,

788
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 1: It's exactly what you said.

789
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: It's a language fantasy, and every book has its own dialect.

790
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: Once you become fluent, you start to be able to

791
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: read it the way you would a beach beach.

792
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 5: I's already noticed with book two. I can read it

793
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 5: the same I can read.

794
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: It's just all of a.

795
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: Sudden, the words there, and you get what's going on,

796
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: You get the balance. And now you're like, Okay, I'm in.

797
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: What about the secondary characters?

798
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: Because we've talked about how well developed she is, and

799
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: we're obviously in her head, but do you may.

800
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: Better developed in books two and three? This is the

801
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: Let's stick with book one.

802
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but in book one, it's not

803
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: about them, it's about her fire. I think we're finding

804
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 2: them as she's finding them, and she hasn't found them

805
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: for a while.

806
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 4: I feel like Chloe Adaya and you and Lou are

807
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 4: all really well developed. I love her two best friends.

808
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 4: I feel like I understand them. I think they're they're quirky.

809
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: I mean, Lou being the one who has was was

810
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: a maleficer.

811
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's us.

812
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 4: She's using Malia and then has turned. And you also

813
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 4: get the sense that her family's not gonna like that. Yes, well,

814
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 4: Elle turned her by exactly. I didn't even know which

815
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: I thought was another qul.

816
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 3: I thought that was cool too. It's like she I.

817
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: Inadvertently got you off of drugs. I didn't even know

818
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: that's what I was doing.

819
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I actually I love them and I love

820
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 5: what their are. Their little alliance.

821
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: Teach developments too, like the in your confrontations with her,

822
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: like when they kind of tell her off, you get

823
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: to hear like they have very nuanced perspectives and they

824
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: do change Elle's point of view sometimes.

825
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: So I thought that was.

826
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 4: Really the same way Elle challenge is o'rian with the oh,

827
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 4: I am not going to kiss your butt they do

828
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 4: to her, especially at the end of the book spoiler alert,

829
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 4: when you know Elle doesn't want anyone to know who

830
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 4: her mother is. She hasn't told anyone. Oriyan knows right who.

831
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 4: Ryan figures it out. Yeah, well no, he's I think,

832
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 4: says like a Gwen Higgins.

833
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's something he finds out from her from her

834
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 5: last name. Somehow he knows.

835
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 4: But then at the end of the book when it's

836
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 4: announced kind of and she has to like raise her hand, Yes,

837
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 4: that's my mom.

838
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 5: And her two friends are like, excuse me, when were

839
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 5: you planning? I'm sharing that with us. I love that.

840
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 4: I like that she is in the same situation, kind

841
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 4: of a power position, the way Orian is with her

842
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: she is with her friends.

843
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just gonna read off some some monster names

844
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: that I wrote down. Okay, that's soul leadersmix, Cheena's Siren spiders,

845
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: night flyers, mow mouths, shrikes. Oh what did we think

846
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: of the crazy amount of monsters the names?

847
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 3: Could you visualize them? Do you know they all are?

848
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: Can you describe them? Will?

849
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: You've already read a bunch so you probably can't.

850
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and yes you can't. So you could right

851
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: now tell me what a night flyer is versus a strike.

852
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: Well, I would think from the way she described it,

853
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: I would think a night flyers essentially like imagine a giant,

854
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: messed up, crazy flying squirrel that takes up its wingspan.

855
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: Is one hundred feet wide. O. Okay, wow, and just rabbit.

856
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 3: So you really are keeping track of them? I mean

857
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: I know them enough in my head to work I

858
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 3: can picture them.

859
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: Wow.

860
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 3: But again, that's kind of what I like about.

861
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: Also, some not getting into too much detail about some

862
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: of the things, because then I get to create what

863
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: I want in my head. Give me the give me

864
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: the basics, and then I'll fill it in from there.

865
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 4: I only could picture a mom Mouth, and it was

866
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 4: a just a giant version of Slimer from those Stars.

867
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: Oh gotcha.

868
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: It was just a giant filled though with stuffed like

869
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: multi giant Slimer, filled with stuff like jello and just

870
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 4: with tentacle.

871
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: For me, the mom Mouth was pretty much the only

872
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: monster ira my head around could envision, and that was

873
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: given the space I felt that the monsters deserve. But

874
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: everything else if on the in this book. I just

875
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: reached a point where I was like, bad thing, bad thing, crawley, creepy,

876
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: bad thing, and I knew they were gross.

877
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: Came from a ceiling and it's like we got no man.

878
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: It was really like a tin cheetah and a hyena

879
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: that are crossed and super aggressive.

880
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: The sheer overwhelming amount of different monsters that kind of

881
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: coming go. It's like, oh, then this flew in and

882
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: Ryan took care of it. I just yeah, I just

883
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: checked out. My brain checked out. It was like I

884
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: don't want to do the work. I know what this

885
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: point of this encounter is for them to win or not,

886
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: you know the point of this encounters to so I

887
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: just kind of was rushing through them to get to

888
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: the point, you know what I mean, Like it was

889
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: getting hard. I will say the description of the magic

890
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: itself when they're building a mirror or bending something that

891
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: was very c details and like kind of fun to visualize.

892
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: But the monsters all just became squiggly, like fill in

893
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: this blank in my mind because there's too many of them.

894
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: I think it was like there's so much variety, it

895
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: was it was a little overwhelming.

896
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: All right, pop quiz? Okay?

897
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: After reading about how stressful life is that scolomance. God,

898
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm never going to say it right, How would characters

899
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: from the Boy Meets World universe fair if they had

900
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: to enroll?

901
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: Would they survive? What would their skills be? Maybe? What

902
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: kind of sorcerer would they be? Let's do Corey Sean, Eric, Topanga, Minkus,

903
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: and Nobody's angels. Well, at least she hit all the

904
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: most important characters. I think. Does it have to be

905
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: in any order? No, you can just pick one that

906
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: you want to talk about.

907
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: The Panga would still be valedictorian in the school. I

908
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: think she would, and I think she.

909
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: Would be I'm gonna say I don't think she'd be

910
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 3: strictly mana. Oh a chance she might be able to

911
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: dabble in the malley a little bit.

912
00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 5: Okay.

913
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: Eric would be dead by the time he stepped into

914
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: the freshman year. What you guys do it dead?

915
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: Sean is glad real, he is.

916
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: He's raised with like Matt, no father or an absent

917
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: to your parent. Yeah, and he is a poor kid

918
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: from the wrong side of the track.

919
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 5: And Corey would accidentally be O'Ryan lake. He would, he

920
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 5: would ask, he would totally not intending.

921
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 4: To, but somehow he'd be like, I just killed that thing. Yes,

922
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 4: And you'd be bailing Sean out of all yep, right.

923
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: That's absolutely correct. That would be a great dynamic their friendship.

924
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 3: Are they just friends? Are they in love? Ryan and Gladiol?

925
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 3: And I think what about MICUs? I think Mincus would

926
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: probably be dead pretty quick. He'd also died pretty quick.

927
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 4: And he'd have great ideas and he'd get too wrapped

928
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 4: up in his great ideas to not be paying attention

929
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 4: to the things around him, and no one would He

930
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: wouldn't be in an alliance with people who'd be looking

931
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 4: out for him.

932
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: I actually think he'd be one of the kids. That's

933
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: somebody else would go take his room and push him

934
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: into the voice.

935
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 5: You might be right, Yeah, he'd be that guy. That's

936
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 5: also very cool. The rooms having a wall.

937
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 4: That's like whether it's on your ceiling or which wall

938
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 4: is depending on where you are. Yeah, just you have

939
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 4: to avoid that area because it's just into the void.

940
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 5: Very crazy.

941
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 3: Oh and nobody's angel I mean, come on, they played graduation.

942
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: Everybody knows they actually already have their own alliance, so

943
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: they have to be record Okay, all right, report card

944
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: overall thoughts, takeaways, Let's start this way. Uh could this

945
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: be adapted into a series or a film?

946
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 5: It absolutely should.

947
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: Be at and what tone would fit it best? Is

948
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: it a an.

949
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: R rated horror? Is it a sattire? Is it a

950
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: Wednesday style?

951
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 3: Would say?

952
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: I think it's Harry Potter meets Wednesday with a touch

953
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: of saw.

954
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was.

955
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: A little bit.

956
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 3: That's a perfect description. We'll just take that.

957
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's run with it.

958
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: Thank you. All right, So how does this end up commenting?

959
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: Does it fulfill or critique the fantasy genre? I'm thinking,

960
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: particularly like the notion of a hero's journey or the

961
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: idea of the chosen one. Where does this book ultimately

962
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: land just on the first one.

963
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: Just in the first one, if you're just judging it

964
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: on the first one, I'm not sure it does land fully.

965
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's not a fully wrapped up in

966
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 2: a bow story. You could read the first Harry Potter

967
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 2: and put it down after book one if you want,

968
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: and never read another one and be like, I read

969
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: a fun Harry Potter story. You wouldn't get the full story,

970
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: but you could do that this one. To get what

971
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: the entire series means, you really need to read the

972
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: entire series. It really makes a difference. So book one,

973
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's fantasy adjacent in book

974
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: one is what I would say.

975
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: See For me, it was interesting how much it actually

976
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: became a pretty standard fantasy novel. You think, per group

977
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: of kids, she's kind of the chosen one, leading to school,

978
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: to a new place, she becomes the hero, she fights

979
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: it all. You know, she's kind of just starts with

980
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: such a different you know, she starts as like the

981
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: anti chosen One, but by the end of this book,

982
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah.

983
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 3: Well you got the you got the guy.

984
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, goes from there.

985
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: That's so I was kind of like, this is secretly

986
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: just another fan I can actually.

987
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: I could see a slowburg slowburn. I could see that too.

988
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: Any final like takeaways or read.

989
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: The second one. Okay, don't stop here.

990
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: Even if you didn't, both of you are completely in

991
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: the bag for this this book.

992
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 5: I will finish the series. Yes, wow, I will finish

993
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 5: the no.

994
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: I don't think. Yeah, I don't think I will.

995
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: I you know I I I find it. I found

996
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: it exhausting a little redundant, and it didn't take me

997
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: and it didn't take me into enough of an interesting

998
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: new place that I need to keep going into this schirl.

999
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: All the books are written from her point of view. Yes,

1000
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: it's always her narration. Yeah, I think if the next

1001
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: book started with a different narrator, I would be like,

1002
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm in because now I want to see this from

1003
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: I want to enter this world from another place. As

1004
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: it was, it really felt limited to me.

1005
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: Has that ever been done?

1006
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: Like a fantasy novel comes out and then the next

1007
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: book comes out and it's exactly the same fantasy story,

1008
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: but just from a point of view of a different character.

1009
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 3: You tell me, man, I don't think that. I don't

1010
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: think that's ever been down.

1011
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: I don't know would be interesting and not like another

1012
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: story with the same with a different character. I mean, like,

1013
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: tell you exactly the same story, but from the point

1014
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: of view of a different character.

1015
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 3: Here's a big question that I had the kind of once.

1016
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: I've had the question to kind of hurt the book

1017
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: for me. Who is she writing to? Uh, that's funny

1018
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 3: because there's the time. Doesn't she say dear readers?

1019
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: She does, she does, which I kind of liked, but

1020
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: that but once I was like, is she writing to

1021
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: a mundane right? Why is she explaining half of the stuff?

1022
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm not explaining the other half? And when I when

1023
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: I realized that tension, I couldn't relax. I was like,

1024
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: I just wish if it started with like, it's a

1025
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: letter to her mom, right, and she's and we're in

1026
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: the vocabulary, and I'm going to do all this work

1027
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: because of the choice of point of view.

1028
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: But instead of the point of view kept shifting from me.

1029
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, why are you explaining what this is?

1030
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 5: But the not explain to her?

1031
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: Three?

1032
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: Do we not know who she's ever thinks, okay, because

1033
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 4: that's I like the idea of her writing to him undane.

1034
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: Right, here's how this world. But then she would be

1035
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: much clearer up front, she'd be like school. And then

1036
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: for me, like when she talked about Lord of the Ring,

1037
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: suddenly I was like, well, wait, hold on, that's the relationship.

1038
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: Where's the real world and what you know?

1039
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: Because like, are you not going to acknowledg Harry Potter?

1040
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna because I think if she had Acknowledgeary

1041
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: Potter would have deflated the whole book because then you're like,

1042
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: now they know that they're in the real world, the

1043
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: real version of it.

1044
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1045
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: So that was like a problem for me too. I

1046
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: was like, let's pick what the point of view is

1047
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: and how this information shared.

1048
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever find out who she's

1049
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: writing to you, I always assumed it was something along

1050
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 2: the lines of a diary, yeah, because she's has had

1051
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: no writ Yeah.

1052
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: But then she's explaining half stuff and saying, dear reader

1053
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: at one point is essentially telling herself how the school was.

1054
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: That was one of my favorite lines. She said, dear,

1055
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: dear reader, I ran or whe I was great, all right.

1056
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: Phoenies and Turners one through five. Turner's being fun and readability,

1057
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: Phoenis being life lessons you go first.

1058
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 4: I think Turner's fun readability it depends if you're a big, big,

1059
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 4: big fantasy person.

1060
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 5: It's probably very readable for you.

1061
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 4: For someone like me who doesn't read a lot of fantasy,

1062
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 4: I can't really say it's a fun book.

1063
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 5: It is.

1064
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 4: I have to focus, I have to pay attention. I

1065
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 4: have to reread a couple of things here and there.

1066
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 4: I would give it one or two Turners WHOA I

1067
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 4: I do not find I did, I do not find.

1068
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: I do not find it fun or I don't. I

1069
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 4: would not describe it as, oh, it's so fun, oh

1070
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 4: my god. I just would not Phoene's. I'd give it

1071
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 4: five out of five. I love the I love the

1072
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 4: social commentary about it. I love the relationship stuff. I

1073
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 4: love the parallels to real high school. I think it

1074
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 4: is relatable. I think there's a lot of stuff in

1075
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 4: here that sparks good conversation. I think it's great for teens,

1076
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 4: but yeah, it's not. I don't think it's fun and

1077
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 4: cool wow will I again?

1078
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: I can only look at it to somebody.

1079
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: He reads fantasy all the time, So I would to me,

1080
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: I would give it a four.

1081
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: Turners, okay, four, and I would give it five five Phoenies.

1082
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 3: I would. I really liked it.

1083
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: Actually, No, I'm gonna change that. I'm gonna say double four's.

1084
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say double four's four turners, four phoenies.

1085
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: That's what I would say.

1086
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm pretty much the exact opposite of Danielle.

1087
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it four turners because I really did.

1088
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: I think that the writing is and I think the

1089
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: plot is propulsive enough Phoenies.

1090
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: Man, this is a two max for me.

1091
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't I think.

1092
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: I think he's in Jackson Hole.

1093
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think it's it's introducing a lot

1094
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: of really great ideas, like like you were saying, the

1095
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: social I do love, and I think the magical system

1096
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: has so much potential. I really was disappointed by the

1097
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: third act with the final the climax, because suddenly we're

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Speaker 1: leave all the characters in relationships, and I honestly can't

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Speaker 1: tell you what happens in the big battle.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys know what happened?

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Speaker 1: Now, it just becomes that's a big battle of Okay,

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Speaker 1: you did a thing and then we and I just

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Speaker 1: kind of like the mam mouth description that moment where

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Speaker 1: she beats that was for me wonderful, and the book

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Speaker 1: that was there was this problem with the book for

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Speaker 1: me between scene and monologue. You know, it's like the

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Speaker 1: monologue is super fun and pulling me through, and then

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Speaker 1: suddenly we'd be in a scene and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're in like a day would go buy in a paragraph? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so I had a hard time on the page.

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Speaker 1: I kind of wish it had broken up the paragraphs

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Speaker 1: a little bit more and been like then I went

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Speaker 1: to class and take a break and then describe that

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Speaker 1: scene a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: And so she's not an uber descriptive writer. She's just

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Speaker 3: allowing you to do it in your mind a little bit.

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Speaker 2: She's the equivalent of some It's funny because I sometimes

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Speaker 2: like it as a writer but hate it as a

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Speaker 2: dungeon master who says, okay, you walk into a village,

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Speaker 2: describe the village. For me, It's like, well, no, I

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Speaker 2: don't want to describe the village.

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Speaker 3: I want you to describe the village. So some people

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Speaker 3: like that in a DM, some people don't. In this book.

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Speaker 2: It worked for me because, you know, again, at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, there are so many monsters that

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Speaker 2: I got to kind of create them in my mind.

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Speaker 2: What it okay, this is going to look like this one.

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Speaker 2: This one's gonna look like that one. This is what

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Speaker 2: a siren spider.

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Speaker 3: Is gonna look like.

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Speaker 2: I would say, you're already there. Give the second one

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Speaker 2: a try. Read the first two chapters. If you don't

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Speaker 2: like it, bounce, but read the first two chapters.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm just not the reason I give it

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Speaker 1: low Foenie. Is this because I'm not sure if at

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Speaker 1: the end of this I'm I really I feel like

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Speaker 1: I wrestled with some of these ideas about class and privilege,

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Speaker 1: but like I said, it ultimately kind of fulfilled the

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Speaker 1: basic fantasy story.

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Speaker 3: She is kind of chosen. She you know, she does

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Speaker 3: pull herself up by her bootstraps.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if I'm not sure if it

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Speaker 1: landed somewhere that I'm gonna like apply to my own life,

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Speaker 1: or like I would say to like my son, this

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Speaker 1: will help you get understand high school or unless.

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Speaker 2: He runs into a mom mouth, it's going to know

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Speaker 2: exactly right. Yeah, you're gonna let him go in unprepared.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you for joining us for this

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Speaker 1: episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow

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Speaker 1: us on Instagram at pod meets World Show.

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Speaker 5: You can send us your emails.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want you to do this Pod mets World.

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Speaker 5: Show at gmail dot com. And we've got merch.

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Speaker 3: Merch of Carya look it up people.

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Speaker 5: I have chosen our next book.

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Speaker 4: I think you guys will all know why I've I've

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Speaker 4: chosen it.

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Speaker 5: It's called Death Takes Me.

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Speaker 3: God. It is a panphlet and then you go to.

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Speaker 4: Sleep by Christina Rivera Garza. Death Takes Me by Christina

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Speaker 4: Rivera Garza.

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Speaker 3: Read this book?

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Speaker 5: I have not.

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Speaker 3: You're thinking with writer.

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Speaker 4: And doing a book that is something I have not

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Speaker 4: read but seems interesting to me, and I think, uh.

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Speaker 3: Is it fiction or non fiction? It is fiction? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Cool?

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Speaker 3: All right, all excited? It sounds happy.

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Speaker 5: All right, We'll see you all next time.

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Speaker 3: We love you all, pod dismissed.

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Speaker 1: Podmeads World is an iHeart podcast producer hosted by Danielle Fischel,

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Speaker 1: Wilfordell and Rider Strong executive producers, Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman,

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Speaker 1: Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

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Speaker 1: TaRaSu Bosch producer, Maddie Moore engineer and Boy Meets World

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Speaker 1: of Typhoon.

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Speaker 3: Follow us on Instagram at Podmets World Show, or email

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