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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel. They called me Ben. You are you?

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Speaker 1: And that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: We've got our super producer Trysted there and the uh

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Speaker 1: let's see once too. We got a whole stable of superproducers.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the name is taken on less of

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Speaker 1: a special meaning. Are you just mad because I called

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Speaker 1: you a super producer? First? I am? What? Am I now?

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Speaker 1: An inferior producer? You're a super co host? Yea. So

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Speaker 1: it's true. We have been expanding and we're hoping to

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Speaker 1: build something that stands the test of time, which turns

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Speaker 1: out is a fairly tricky endeavor the longer the timeline

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Speaker 1: becomes right, I hear the trick is to stack things

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Speaker 1: smaller on top of that one, and then just keep going.

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Speaker 1: It's the Lego rule, yeah, or from red Solo cups

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Speaker 1: to UH decks of cards. You know this is such

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Speaker 1: a side note, but I had no idea. Apparently, red

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Speaker 1: solo cups or solo cups in general are US thing,

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Speaker 1: and they've appeared in so many films that people around

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Speaker 1: the world associated with American culture. So people travel traveling

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Speaker 1: to the US from outside of the US often buy

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Speaker 1: these cups and bring them back to their friends and

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Speaker 1: associate them with getting plastered. Sort of like pyramids in Egypt.

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Speaker 1: Am I right, Yes, sort of like pyramids in Egypt. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that is true, that's what we are. We sort of

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Speaker 1: circumnavigated the uh, the topic, and so let's get right

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Speaker 1: to it. Let's jump into the bush instead of beating

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Speaker 1: around it. Pyramids, Well, you may have seen one of

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Speaker 1: these things before, perhaps in a history book, perhaps you've

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Speaker 1: taken a trip to somewhere in the world where they exist.

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Speaker 1: It's a structure with a triangular outer surface, like we

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Speaker 1: were talking, Uh, smaller layers on top of bigger ones,

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Speaker 1: and it converges to a single point at the top.

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Speaker 1: Hold your horses, kids, are about to get into some

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Speaker 1: serious geometry. The base of a pyramid can be trilateral, quadrilateral,

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Speaker 1: I don't so let's look at his square pyramid is

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Speaker 1: square pyramid has a base for triangular outer surfaces. This

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Speaker 1: is a common version and the design is simple but brilliant. Right.

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Speaker 1: Pyramid keeps the majority of the structure's weight closer to

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Speaker 1: So these are structurally very very stable. And when early

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Speaker 1: way we do with skyscrapers. Yeah, and we can build

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Speaker 1: these things much larger than any other building that we've

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Speaker 1: And let's be honest. When most people hear the word pyramid,

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Speaker 1: they don't really think of geometry, quadrilaterals and polygons. They

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Speaker 1: think of and Egypt. That's I mean, you're totally right,

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Speaker 1: they think of They can go Egypt, pharaohs, mummies, right

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Speaker 1: and nw who can blame them? Egypt has a huge

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Speaker 1: amount of pyramids. The estimates vary, but sources currently site

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Speaker 1: anywhere from eight to a hundred and thirty eight identified pyramids,

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Speaker 1: and these were common during the Old and Middle Kingdom periods.

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Speaker 1: what these pyramids are for, even though, yes, even though

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Speaker 1: the whole thing is. The way it's laid out is

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Speaker 1: very purposeful. And then you've got the pyramid surrounded by

423
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: these almost like hedge maze looking pieces, and then all

424
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: of the other plots are very kind of colored in

425
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: such a way where the whole thing that looks almost

426
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 1: like a face. It's pretty pretty interesting. And then you

427
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: think that, you know, the government sees it, and then

428
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: they tore the entire thing down. I have two thoughts.

429
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: I wish they would have left it. What's the story? First? Something, Well,

430
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: the guy was arrested on some pretty heinous charges. The molestation.

431
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: You can only imagine probably what went down, you know,

432
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: near there or in some of those structures. Yeah. So,

433
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: to be fair to the people who still adhere to

434
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: Nuabian beliefs, there are a lot of X members obviously,

435
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: but they believe that their leader was force or is

436
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: kind of was framed, was a set up. And that's

437
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: despite the Nuabian leader as a phone named Dwight York.

438
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: He was charged with interstate transportation of miners for sex

439
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen charges of child molestation, and he was Okay, Look,

440
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: I'll say the New Abian is a black supremacist sect,

441
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: so it subscribes to and subscribes to some beliefs that

442
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, are racially tinged and therefore reprehensible. But they

443
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: also thought spaceship would take the group away in two

444
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: thousand and three. It is I have not had contact

445
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: with any of the New Abian folks, so perhaps some

446
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: of them did make it on their ship. You know,

447
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: this might even make a good podcast in its own light.

448
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: They built again, they built pyramids as religious structures, right,

449
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: But that brings us to another question. Why have such

450
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: similar structures rang up in unrelated cultures across the planet.

451
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: We'll explore some of the answers or some of the

452
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: theories after a word from our sponsor. So since the

453
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Speaker 1: first missions to Antarctica early in the twentieth century, there

454
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: have been tales of a mysterious pyramid discovered on this

455
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: icy continent near the South Pole Um. There were British

456
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: explorers in the early nineteen tens who found a pointy

457
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: rock and they named it the pyramid and included it

458
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Speaker 1: on their maps. So this formation is most likely the

459
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Speaker 1: source of various Antarctic pyramids legends throughout modern history. But

460
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: I'd just like to go here and say, oh, look

461
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: at this trap. Oh do you see that's pointing out

462
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: with the ice there? What does that look like to you?

463
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: I declare that is that's a tad pointing. Don't you

464
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: think You're quite pointy? Much more pointy than I would

465
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: expect here on this icy continent. And then you take

466
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: a big pull from your calabash, I say, mark that down.

467
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: Jeffrey's Pyramids pretty good. So do you want to do

468
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Speaker 1: want it to be named after you or perhaps your

469
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: lovely wife? Phone make it anonymous pyramid of Suffice? And

470
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 1: so and so as we said this, you can imagine right,

471
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: it's understandable. It sounds a little weird today, but you

472
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: can easily understand how people return right from Antarctica and

473
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: they have these maps, and maybe the maps are reproduced,

474
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: and then you get a cold of a map and

475
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: you're just a regular person and you're looking at this

476
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: map of this mysterious unknown continent, and then you think,

477
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: holy snikey is a pyramid? Do people still say? R? I?

478
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: P Chris? Oh? It was Chris Farley speaking of which

479
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: apparently I stole skadooche from Kung Fu Panda. And I'm

480
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: okay with that because I was a big, tenacious D

481
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: fan back in the day, and I'm sure I heard

482
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: Jack Black say something scadoch she, you know, back in

483
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: the old days when he was on a MR Show

484
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: and TD. So I did not know that that was

485
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: directly from Kung Fu Panda. I stand by it, though,

486
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: and it's it's just kind of a fun sound that

487
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: sort of means like zippity do die, you know, It's

488
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: just kind of that's it. I wasn't trying to rip

489
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: off of animated. Has this been on you? It really has.

490
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: It's been pressing down on my soul. I remember one

491
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: time when we're off air. You we were meeting about

492
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: something else and then you stopped, Matt now and you say, guys,

493
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: I gotta say something, And I didn't know what was

494
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: gonna come up. I was worried about you. Do you

495
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: feel better? Do you feel lighter? I feel a little unburdened. Yeah,

496
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: that's well, right in and let noel how much you're

497
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: angry at him for stealing from the beloved Jack Black.

498
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: He has quite beloved. And as always we do have

499
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: a special email for any complaints about the show. Your

500
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: criticism is very important. Keep us honest and just email

501
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: us directly at Jonathan dot Strickland at how stuff works

502
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: dot com. Yeah, and really just feel free to open it,

503
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: open up, and yesus know how you feel. Again, that's

504
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: Jonathan dots Strickland at how stuff works dot com. So

505
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: back to Antarctica. Back to Antarctica from from two thousand

506
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: twelve to twenties sixteen, there was this whole other round

507
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: of rumors that were spreading about pyramids and Antarctica because

508
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: there were photographs they got put online that showed something

509
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: apparently sitting down there with these regular triangular sides. Now,

510
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: I have to say I saw these. I saw you know,

511
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: the crystal links links in the UFO sites links that

512
00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: had these pictures, and I got super interested. But you know,

513
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: as we do on our show, you dig down a

514
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: little deeper and then you find the skeptic side, which

515
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: throws salt on all my excitement. Uh. And you know

516
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: they're saying that this is actually some kind of natural

517
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: structure that got photographed at an angle that makes it

518
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: feel even more mysterious, which is similar to the old

519
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: argument about the uh face on Mars. Right. Is it

520
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: just the angle of the photograph that makes a otherwise

521
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: mundane topographical formation appear to be you know, man made

522
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: and purposeful, or or they're buried pyramids out there. Man.

523
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's where that's where civilization started, was in

524
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: Antarctica before it all iced over. What do you some

525
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: kind of hippie. I'm just saying, that's one of my

526
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: favorite troops, and a lot of science fiction me too,

527
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: that that moment about two thirds of the way through

528
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: a sci fi story where someone goes, we are the

529
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: aliens right before they get sucked out into spaces and

530
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: you just spoiled every every single one shut down the theaters.

531
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: But for me, the idea of an Atlantean civilization that existed,

532
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: you know, of some kind of intelligent life existing down

533
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: there in Antarctica before everything froze over, I don't know.

534
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: That just pulls me, pulls my heart. Well, we do

535
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: know that, we do know that there's a lot of

536
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: stuff that historians got wrong over the years, and we

537
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: know that history is still a continuing conversation. Right. There's

538
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: no solid, widely accepted proof of a global ancient civilization yet.

539
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: But that just that could just mean, although it may

540
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: it may be implausible, it could just mean that we

541
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: haven't found something yet. Yeah, but technology continues to advance,

542
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: and as lidar gets better, Ben, We're gonna find some stuff.

543
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: I know it, Yeah, I think so. Oh, before we

544
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: go on, these these rumors that Matt just mentioned, they

545
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: were linked with a couple of famous visitors to Antarctica

546
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: in late seen as the US presidential campaign was in

547
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: in hot, hot heat. Uh. John Kerry went to Antarctica

548
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: in November and then just just just to be clear here,

549
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: it was Forest Collan Bones reunion. Yes, they were hanging

550
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: out in Antarctica. Point Rock was decide dislike men is

551
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: like a duel. Yeah, that's where the real election took

552
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: place Pointy Rock, Antarctica in just a short time later

553
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: in December of I think this one was interesting. This

554
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: was just a rumor. Okay, I haven't confirmed it. This

555
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: was just what's what's the word? Uh? Scalia? You sus

556
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: scuttle buttons or what else? They do? He the guy,

557
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: Regardless of what you think about the guy at a

558
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: gift for obscure words? Was it the straight poop? Straight poop?

559
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: We got an email about that too, uh, he said,

560
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: Argyll bargel, which is a real word, Hurley, Burley Is

561
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: that a real one too? It works though, Hurdy gurdy Man,

562
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: Hurdy gurdie Man. Buzz Aldrin astronaut rumored again just rumored

563
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: to have tweeted We're all in danger. It is evil itself,

564
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: along with a picture of the alleged ice pyramid Antarctic

565
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: ice periman, and then he rapidly deleted it. Let's let's

566
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: take a note here. Buzz Aldrin is notorious for his

567
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: distaste for what he considers conspiracy theorists and for his

568
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: sense of humor. It's also not obvious why somebody would

569
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: fly buzz out to Antarctica to investigate a pyramid. And

570
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: one last thing here, according to Snopes, that website that

571
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 1: is loved and loathed by so many it's it says

572
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: this is false. Yeah, so okay, that's not that's just

573
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: what it doesn't mean. It does. Well that that just

574
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: means if you believe Snopes, then it's scuttled. But so

575
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: apparently there are not astronauts trape scene about Antarctica, although

576
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: the US military did have some excursions there in the

577
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: World War two days. And if you are feeling like

578
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: a lovely trip down a rabbit hole, uh, go ahead

579
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: and hop on your preferred Internet search engine and type

580
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: in operation high Jump. Definitely. And just to stay on

581
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: Aldrin for a moment, Do you guys remember when he

582
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: was on c SPAN and he had that little he

583
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: mentioned that aside about the monolith on one of the

584
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: moons of Jupiter. Do you guys remember this? He actually

585
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: says his statement. I don't have an exact quotes in

586
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: in front of you, but a statement is like, when

587
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: people see that monolith monolith on one of the moons

588
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: of Jupiter, they're gonna say, where did that come from?

589
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: Who built that? And then he just goes on with

590
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: this conversation. It's pretty incredible and it's real. It's absolutely real.

591
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: And so there are other theories. I think we should

592
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: just jump to this theory. Some people, Okay, so we

593
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: can divide theories about pyramids into three rough buckets. There's

594
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: the bucket of how are they built? Right, and there's

595
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: the bucket of what were they for? And then there's

596
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: the other one, which is what do they do? Because

597
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: some people, you know, people who believe in uh, sacred

598
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: geometry for example, um people, there are people who believe

599
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: that these shapes or the polacement of these structures has

600
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: some sort of significance in a in a larger sense, right,

601
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: you can find people who believe that the pyramids are

602
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: built along lay lines L. E. Y. Right, which is

603
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: sort of the belief in lay lines is the belief

604
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: that the planet has something like its own nervous system

605
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: and that these lines aggregate some sort of energy or power.

606
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: People who have tested this feel that that is not

607
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: scientifically valid, right, they say, okay, there's the secretion of energy,

608
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: or you stand in Stonehenge on the right time of

609
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: the lunar year or the solar year, and you you

610
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: feel like there's some great thing happening, but there's no

611
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: measurement of it. Right, there's no if there's no heat

612
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: differential hold, there's not massive geothermal vent or anything. We're

613
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: definitely not fully discounting that, but we are saying there

614
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: is no scientific evidence to prove its existence. So let's

615
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: bounce around these theories a little bit. No, I know

616
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: you've been dying to talk about this. Yeah, grain, you'll

617
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: know me whe Where where does grain come into all this?

618
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: That I mentioned that a couple couple of times. I

619
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: wasn't tried to poke fine, but just a friend of

620
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: the show, Ben Carson, who I believe currently serves as

621
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: our HUD secretary. Um. He came out during the campaign

622
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: for president with an interesting theory that that the Pyramids

623
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: were created by Joseph Um and his amazing technicolor dreamcoat

624
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: to store grain. Yeah, there were granaries. This disbelief surprised

625
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people when, uh, when Ben Carson said this.

626
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: When Secretary Carson said this, because he uh, he was

627
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: espousing a belief that a lot of people had never

628
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: heard before. It turns out medieval Europeans believe the pyramids

629
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: were these granaries that were described in the Old Testament,

630
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: and that's where the description of the pyramids is Joseph's

631
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: Granaries come from. It It goes back to like the

632
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: sixth century. So he wasn't just you know, off the

633
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Speaker 1: dome making a guess um this uh. This was in

634
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: a book called History of the Franks by Gregory of Tours,

635
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: and then it got popularized by a book called the

636
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Speaker 1: Book of John Mandeville. That was back when there were

637
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: a way fewer books, so you could just call the

638
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: thing you wrote the book. Yeah, what his His main

639
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: argument was that the pyramids were hermetically sealed um, and

640
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't need to hermetically seal a crypt um,

641
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: but that would be something would come in handy if

642
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: you were trying to preserve grain. I've got a quote

643
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: here from a BBC article from an egyptologist. Remember those

644
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: guys we talked about them, They exist, They're real. One

645
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: of them is named James Allen of Brown University, and

646
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: he says, quote, there's no way in the world an

647
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: ounce of grain would be stored in a structure like that.

648
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: It would be totally impractical. It's like saying the Tower

649
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: of London was built as a granary store. You could

650
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: put grain in it, and I mean, so is it granary?

651
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: Just any structure that contains grain essentially that's used specifically,

652
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: that's it. So we could fill this studio with grain

653
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: and that way, it wouldn't make it a granary because

654
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: we didn't build it specifically for that purpose, I guess.

655
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: But you also have to think about how does the

656
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: grain get in? How do you get it out? Does

657
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: it make sense? I mean with the pyramid, it just

658
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. And there's another there's another idea here.

659
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Speaker 1: In eighteen fifty nine, a British publisher named John Taylor

660
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: wrote a book called The Great Pyramid, Why It Was Built?

661
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: And Who built it? Uh? He said that Noah, not

662
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: the Egyptians, the biblical Noah built the pyramid because he

663
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: built the arc and then he was therefore the most

664
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Speaker 1: competent to direct the building of the pyramid. He also

665
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: believes that the purpose of the pyramid, if we're going

666
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: to a different theory, is to be a repository for

667
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: the divine system of all mathematical truths. WHOA right? That's fun?

668
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: What is that is that? Like a like a like

669
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: a real fancy slide rule or something. Yeah, it's it's

670
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: an enormous slide rule because they couldn't get the moving

671
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: parts for an abbocus. Got it, and we're going to

672
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: build a huge advocus. There are other people who believe

673
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: that the Great Pyramid is predictive. There's a book called

674
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: Our Inheritance of the Great Pyramid, also published in the

675
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, revealed to use to use our patented air

676
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: quote revealed the date of the apocalypse. I mean that's cool,

677
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: is it? Yeah? I mean why not if you could?

678
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: You want to know, if you could glean the date,

679
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: then maybe you can prevent it. What are you gonna

680
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: do about it? Drink more water and less soda? Where

681
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: more sunscreen? So we can see that. A lot of

682
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: the more m HM out there theories about pyramids come

683
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: from the pyramid craze in the eighteen hundreds, right, and

684
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: a lot of them are religiously based. There of course,

685
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: people who will say that pyramids were built by some

686
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: diabolical force, right, an ancient evil or a demon. Uh.

687
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: There is of course no proof of that. Back in

688
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: the time when a lot of these theories were propagated,

689
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: people were sort of feeling around in the dark. Um.

690
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: One of the interesting things probably interested a lot of

691
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: people here, is that for a long time there was

692
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: a fairly popular conspiracy theory of sorts that, uh, you know,

693
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: a global civilization built all of these things, to to

694
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: with the Atlantis fabled lost civilization of Atlantis built the pyramids.

695
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: So let's look at the arguments of fellow named Ignatious

696
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: Loyola Donnelly. How's that for a name that sounds great?

697
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: Congressman from Minnesota in the late eighteen hundreds, he argued

698
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: this very point, he said, and that there once existed

699
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: in the Atlantic Ocean opposite the mouth of the mediterrane

700
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: see a large island was a remnant of another Atlantic

701
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: continent known as Atlanta. Us Uh. He said that Plato's description,

702
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: which Soften taken to be a fable, was the straight poop,

703
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: that it was actual history, and that modern man first

704
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: rose from barbarism to civilization in Atlantis. And then he

705
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: said that the Atlanteans stablished colonies around the world. I mean,

706
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: we've we've heard all of this, right, uh. And at

707
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: this point we know that there have been ancient low civilizations,

708
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: but again, there's never been one big, you know, like

709
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: one people to rule them all found. You know. Still

710
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: people love this theory. What do you guys think about

711
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: the cargo cult theory of pyramids? Oh, that's interesting. So

712
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: cargo cults, which do exist. Cargo cults came from Polynesian

713
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: islands out in the Pacific Ocean, where in pretty fairly

714
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: isolated communities saw for the first time technology that they

715
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: had never seen before radio towers, right, airplanes, weapons of war,

716
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: even clothing, even clothing of type yeah, that they had

717
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: never seen before. And so they also would see these

718
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: cargo drops which would contain food and clothing, survival materials,

719
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that humanitarian aid for example. And so these

720
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: cargo cults began, uh instituting religious practices, spiritual practices wherein

721
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: they would build uh radio towers or an airplane. Yeah,

722
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: but it would be out of available materials. Yeah, it

723
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a flying It would be a symbolic radio tower,

724
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: symbolic airplane, and they would reproduce or enact various ritualistic

725
00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: behaviors in hopes of, uh, hopes of the cargo returning.

726
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: One of these groups worshiped Prince Philip oh Wow as

727
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: a god, as it like, not as a cool guy,

728
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: not as just a regular dude as it should bear.

729
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: Have you've seen as jawline. I mean you can break sunning,

730
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: break walnuts and hearts on that jo line. So the

731
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: thing with this would be that the pyramids sprung up

732
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: throughout the world in all these different developing civilizations because

733
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: of some in the agent alien theory, some either ship

734
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: that resembled a pyramid and then they were built like

735
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: in Memoriam in a way or to try and get

736
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: them back down. You're doing a stargate thing here. It's

737
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: essentially little kind of like a star gate, but just

738
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, a signal, a large enough signal that says, hey,

739
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: wherever you are up in the heavens, come visit again

740
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: or come back to us. It's fascinating. So then it

741
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: would be oh side note, the religious sect that we

742
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: mentioned is referred to as the Prince Philip Movement. They're

743
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: in an island in Vanuatu called Tana Nice. So if

744
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: you are searching spiritually for something and you think you

745
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: want to just try out a religion you have not

746
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: heard of, then go ahead and uh give the Prince

747
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: Philip Movement ago and let us know how it works

748
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: out for you. So, ancient aliens. We've mentioned this on

749
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: the show before, and I feel like we'd be remiss

750
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,959
Speaker 1: if we didn't explore this a little bit, because this

751
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: ties into one of the conspiracies, not a theory, but

752
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: one of the conspiracies that happened when Europeans began exploring

753
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: possibilities of the origin for pyramids. Right, So, there are

754
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: a couple of things we should address here. First, a

755
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: lot of the ancient alien theory stuff that exists now

756
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: is descended from earlier, earlier, very racially based theories, wherein uh, Europeans,

757
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: maybe not the same guys who found the Pointy Rock

758
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: and Antarctica, but as someone who for the sake of argument,

759
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: sounded very much like them, would see a pyramid and say,

760
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, this is remarkable, This is remarkable. Where where

761
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: is the lost civilization of clearly white people who built this?

762
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: And so that just the same way that, um, a

763
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: lot of modern urban legends descend from earlier what we

764
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: call fairy tales. Right, Um, there's still that that folklore

765
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: progression or storytelling progression, because history, as we know, is

766
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: just one long game of telephone, and we have to

767
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: we have to consider that because the real, the real

768
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: cover up, at least one provable cover up, is that

769
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: a lot of early explorers, we're searching for something that

770
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: confirmed the belief they already had. They had confirmation bias,

771
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: because not only did they not believe that native people

772
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: could accomplish such tremendous works, but they didn't want to

773
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: believe that. And if we were presented would proof, they

774
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: probably would have just if we know how confirmation bias works,

775
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: they probably would have just doubled down on their idea. Exactly.

776
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: That's what I always do. That, No, I mean, really

777
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: that is what we do psychologically, unfortunately. I So these

778
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: are these are some of the ideas. We do know

779
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: that one provable cover up was was either through negligence

780
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: or malevolence. Where does this all lead us? You know,

781
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: we've learned that anything can arguably be a granary if

782
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: you fill it with grain. Um, But that's kind of

783
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: like saying that any any bag you put a sandwich

784
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: in automatically becomes a sandwich bag. Yeah, you know. So

785
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: we do know that there was one provable cover up situation,

786
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: and that occurred when earlier explorers from different parts of

787
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: the world said clearly they didn't build this the line

788
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: you see, and I know that can be an ugly thing,

789
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: but it happened. As for the state of pyramids, now,

790
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: the craziest thing to me is we still don't know

791
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: how many are out there. We found the big ones,

792
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: We found the big ones, and well there are also

793
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: pyramids that appear to be in protected areas where perhaps

794
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: an insular government doesn't want any third party or NGO,

795
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, looking around to find new ones that perhaps

796
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: might be there or just covered up in jungle that

797
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: we can't see unless we have highly sophisticated lighter just

798
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: going through the jungle acre by acre, which is a

799
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: task that I wouldn't want to do well. I guess

800
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: that wraps up the topic. But should we do some

801
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: some shouting outing, cornering, absolutely tally ho shout at corners.

802
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: Our first shout out today comes from Sean. Sean says, guys,

803
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: I've loved this show up to your most recent episode.

804
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: You're moving to Mars episode I felt like it turned

805
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: into a reading of get this guy's the Communist Manifesto? Listen.

806
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: I get that political opinions of people sink into their

807
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: work intentional or unintentional. You're usually very good about presenting

808
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: counter opinions, even if one of you is just playing

809
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: devil's advocate. It was pretty sad to hear a conspiracy

810
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: podcast advocating from more government. Wow, well, I I can

811
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: see what Sean is saying where there were definitely definitely

812
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: some ideas that could be considered communists, and we pointed

813
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: that out in the episode. Absolutely, there's definitely a centralization

814
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: of government, which is not necessarily communism. But I don't

815
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: think he's talking about just that, because there were other

816
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: aspects there to yeah, spreading out everything where everybody gets

817
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: an equal share. Um, there's no real trading of goods

818
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: for profit in this way, they're just our goods and

819
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: you get them. You know, when the whole idea of

820
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: like some greater power authority assessing your worth and giving

821
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: you work assignment based on a series of algorithms that

822
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: I guess look through your past work history and you know,

823
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: kind of tell you what you are and what you

824
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: need to be doing. But we we we talked about

825
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: this even before we did the interview, and maybe it

826
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: didn't come across as much as we would have liked,

827
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: but these were things that we discussed when kind of

828
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: like preparing for this interview. Yeah, I think one of

829
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: the things is when we're hanging out off air, we

830
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: just for a peek behind the curtain. These episodes don't

831
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: usually end for us when the episode ends on, you know,

832
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: the the official episode stream that you're hearing. Yeah, because

833
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: we'll we'll sit, we'll sit somewhere, we'll go somewhere after work,

834
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: and we'll still be talking about the thing. And one

835
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: of one of the things that we would say would

836
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: be a difference between straight up orthodox communism and what

837
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: was being advocated here is that, uh, what Marshall Brain

838
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: was advocating was that this would be a technocracy. So

839
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: instead of a Stalin or another strong man at the

840
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: top who was still human, Uh, there would be an

841
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. Almost scarier to me, it's definitely unknown. Well

842
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: it's like who programs the artificial intelligence? You know, where

843
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: does that? It's like a chicken or the egg kind

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Speaker 1: of question. But we also should point out that he

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Speaker 1: said from the start this whole thing was a thought experiment.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily advocating for any of this because he

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Speaker 1: totally was like very adamant about the fact that this

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Speaker 1: is pretty much impossible. Did you even get there to

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Speaker 1: even have the environment that would allow us to start

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Speaker 1: such a society? And that's why it was a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun for us to talk about, because that's kind

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Speaker 1: of what we like to do, is you know, get

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Speaker 1: hypothetical with stuff and sort of play Devil's advocate for

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Speaker 1: big questions and that sort of this gave us that

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Speaker 1: opportunity a big time And I would say, um Sean Marshall.

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Speaker 1: At the end of that episode, he gave his email

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Speaker 1: address and he asked for people to write to him

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Speaker 1: to discuss so if and actually I have forwarded him

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Speaker 1: everything that's been written to us specifically to conspiracy it

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Speaker 1: how stuff works, because he wants feedback, He wants to

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Speaker 1: know what people think about some of this stuff. So sure,

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Speaker 1: it's very much work in progress, as he said, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's I'm glad you did that matter well.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I would like to explore

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Speaker 1: in in a future episode would be the actual technology

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Speaker 1: nuts and bolts, because we didn't really talk about that,

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Speaker 1: right and we have, uh, we have received a lot

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Speaker 1: of great questions about this. I'm laughing because one of

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Speaker 1: them comes up in a later episode, and I don't

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Speaker 1: want to spoil it for anybody, but it was a

871
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: great question and I'm still thinking about it. So thank you,

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Speaker 1: Sean everyone else who wrote in regarding this topic. Marshall

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Speaker 1: Brain is quite prolific, uh and he does read every

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Speaker 1: email he receives, and as he said, he sincerely welcomes feedback.

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Speaker 1: Our next shout out comes from Justin. Send us an email.

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00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: Justin says, good morning. I recently started listening to stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know, and I'm enjoying it

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Speaker 1: very much. Awesome, Justin, thank you for listening and hanging

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Speaker 1: out with us. I think you guys should do a

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Speaker 1: cast on cryptocurrency. You could begin with the discussions on

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Speaker 1: Bitcoin the leader, and then move on to companies that

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Speaker 1: you is the blockchain to solve problems in our everyday world.

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Speaker 1: Take care of Justin. That's a that's a great topic.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to discover there on On my part,

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: at least, I need to do a lot of research

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Speaker 1: just to really wrap my head around how it all functions.

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Speaker 1: I recently got a coin base, which is like this

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Speaker 1: app that allows you to buy different cryptocurrencies. The whole

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Speaker 1: thing is fascinating to me. And we have actually some

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Speaker 1: colleagues at work who bought into bitcoin back in the

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Speaker 1: day where it kind of boomed and actually I want

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Speaker 1: name names, but sold it before it boomed. Hard would

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Speaker 1: have been a minor millionaire he or she at the

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Speaker 1: very least a hundred thousand point being the history of

895
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: cryptocurrency in itself is really cool, and the whole Mount

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Speaker 1: Cox thing, and you know, all of that is its

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Speaker 1: own stuff, and then like how it's being used now

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Speaker 1: and the black market aspects of it and the deep Web.

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00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: Totally great episode, and some mysterious inventors stuff is in

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Speaker 1: there still in the future cash list society that we're

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00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: running up on future, I don't know, we're getting so

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00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: close and you just have to buy credits and have

903
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: them put on your wrist bands so that you can

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Speaker 1: scam them. Festival, they're gonna alter your d n A

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Speaker 1: so that every cell you every cell in your body,

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00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: reflects how much worth you have. That sounds like a

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Speaker 1: personal hell, Like the world is just one big music festival.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well if it was Bonnaroo, then for sure

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Speaker 1: that is everywhere. I mean, developing countries are increasingly cashless

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Speaker 1: and that our previous episode on whether money is a religion,

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Speaker 1: I've really had us thinking about that too, Like it's

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Speaker 1: it doesn't it's not attached to a commodity directly now,

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Speaker 1: so it's an idea. It's out in the ether. It

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Speaker 1: requires faith, It requires a massive amount of faith. And

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Speaker 1: we got some cool emails about that one too. We

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Speaker 1: should bring up another time. Absolutely, you're so right. Just

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, you're so right about the

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Speaker 1: music festival thing being test run essentially of how it

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Speaker 1: would function when he's getting like a little village, like

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01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: like a society, you know, where we're all just living

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Speaker 1: in love and listening to string cheese incident and hemorrhaging money,

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Speaker 1: hemoraging money on fifteen dollar red bull and Vodkas. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't you know, it doesn't even have to have alcohol.

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Speaker 1: It's anything is at least ten dollars a hot dog,

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Speaker 1: five dollar waters plus four four dollars for bun service.

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Speaker 1: That's where they give you a hot dog, bun charging

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Speaker 1: for the mud before you know it. Yeah, but but

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Speaker 1: it is true. It is a microcosm of society. So

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Speaker 1: this is fascinating, all right. We got one last one

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Speaker 1: from Anthony just finished watching your latest video on Alisa

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Speaker 1: Lamb's mysterious disappearance. Staying on the topic of disappearances, have

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Speaker 1: you guys looked into the thousands of cases of National

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Speaker 1: park disappearances? Say that Anthony most notable David Pelt's in

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Speaker 1: his book series. He also recently released a short docu

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Speaker 1: Nentury about it that would make for an interesting topic

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Speaker 1: to play. It's all, this is a very prescient email.

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Speaker 1: You guys gonna leave it at that, but just yes

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Speaker 1: and yes, and and to quote our boss Jason Hope,

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Speaker 1: stay tuned. And the book series, the book series Anthony's

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Speaker 1: referring to is missing for one one as well as

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Speaker 1: the documentary that is now available. So yes, as as

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Speaker 1: a colleague here said, stay tuned. And that concludes our

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Speaker 1: go but not our show. That is right, Matt Noel

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Speaker 1: and I will be returning next week with something probably

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Speaker 1: completely different then pyramids. Yes, yep, okay, And we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about a different shape. Yes, yep, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a schapizoid. Perhaps you never know decahedrons. What if

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Speaker 1: there are no angles, What if it's just a formless

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Speaker 1: massive jelly. What if it's non euclidean alien love crafty

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Speaker 1: and geometry right, and just looking at it drives you bad?

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Speaker 1: Isn't that sort of what spawned you? I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't talk about my personal life shows. It could

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Speaker 1: be any number of things. It might even be government continuity.

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Speaker 1: Who knows, it may well be. Uh. But by the way,

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