1 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me Frank Gaffney, the program 2 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. We're going to be 5 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: talking about some very important subjects. Important, yes, in the 6 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: macro sense, for the nation, for the free world, for 7 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: the well it's Western civilization. But also I'm going to 8 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: make the argument that we're going to be talking about 9 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: things that should be of great importance to you personally individually, 10 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: your family, your business, your community. And who better to 11 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: talk to about all of these subjects than men of 12 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: vast experience, notably in political life, having worked on some 13 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: three hundred campaigns at every level, president on down. A 14 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: man who these days is the editor of a marvelous 15 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: online resource, Conservative HQ, the newsletter of Richard Vigory, an 16 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: iconic figure in the conservative movement, his name is George Rasley. 17 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: He is also best known, perhaps to our audience as 18 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: our duty genius here at Securing America, a member of 19 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: the Mensa Society, and men who invariably says he will 20 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: try to live up to this billing, and he will, 21 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: but also whose appearances on this program are one of 22 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: its highlights, and we're always so grateful to him for 23 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: joining us, especially for a full hour as we kick 24 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: off twenty twenty six and take stock of well a 25 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: little bit of the year in the past, but now 26 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: very much focused on what is ahead. I'm fond of saying, George, 27 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: a happy new year, if you can keep it, welcome 28 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: my friend. Good to have you with us. 29 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Frank, and happy new Year to you. 30 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: We will try and keep it. That's what we're here for. 31 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: We will try to keep it for sure, and that's 32 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: what we're about at this program, of course, is trying 33 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: to keep it. George, let me start by talking to 34 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: you about the developments of last weekend and the action 35 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: that President Trump took. I have to say I can't remember, certainly, 36 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: in my memory my lifetime a more courageous, risky, fraught 37 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: presidential decision than this one. Maybe you could put Jimmy 38 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: Carter deciding to send troops in to try to liberate 39 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: hostages in Iran. We saw how that worked out, and 40 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: that would almost certainly have been very much on Donald 41 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: Trump's mind as he made the order to go get 42 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: Nicholas Maduro and his wife in a heavily fortified compound 43 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: in the heart of the capital of Venezuela. What did 44 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: you make on the presidential leadership and sheer guts scale? 45 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 3: How would you rate that, sir well, I think that 46 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: it's undoubtedly. 47 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: One of the if not the most gutsy presidential decisions 48 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: in our two hundred and fifty year history. It was 49 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: also a necessary one because allowing Maduro to stay in 50 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: power in Venezuela allowed the cancer that he was bringing 51 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: into our hemisphere to mattastesize even further. 52 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: And people want. 53 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: To look at this as a sort of bilateral issue, 54 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: if you will, it's the US versus Venezuela. 55 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 3: It's not. 56 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: It's the US versus Venezuela, versus Iran, versus Red China, 57 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: versus Russia versus pretty much anybody else who might be 58 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: thinking about becoming an enemy of the United States. So 59 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: I had a column, you know, in the aftermath of 60 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: the immediate aftermath of that raid, in which I said 61 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: that it was a two for maybe four a five 62 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: for if those were words terms in the English language, 63 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: because it was such a you know, the secondary implications 64 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 2: of the raid were so massive, so important, so relevant 65 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: to our present security situation. 66 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: I could agree more, and in fact I want to 67 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: turn in a moment to another example of what he 68 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: is doing in exhibiting leadership, specifically in this rubric of 69 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: hemispheric security. But just staying with Nasoila for a moment, more, George, 70 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 1: much as being made of the fact that, yes, Nicholas 71 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: Maduro and his wife were extracted, but the rest of 72 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: the power structure is still there, the Russians, the Chinese, 73 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: the Iranians, Hezbollah, the Cubanos. Well, aside from the thirty 74 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: or so that we're taken out in the Praetorian Guard, 75 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: those Cubans are all still there. What do you say 76 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: to people who are perhaps prepared to agree with you 77 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: that it would make a profound difference if Venezuela were liberated, 78 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: but there were kind of distance from doing that at 79 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: this point, and it may not happen for them there. 80 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: Well, there is a long road to travel to get 81 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: to what would be the ideal situation in Venezuela, which 82 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: is a democratically elected pro American government. And I say 83 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 2: that from the perspective of someone who actually was at 84 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: the inauguration of the last democratically elected president of Venezuela, 85 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: Carlos Andres Perez Chi staff the Vice president in his 86 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: visit there immediately, Yeah, our vice president immediately after the 87 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: our nineteen eighty nine inauguration where Bush and Quail took 88 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 2: over from Reagan and Bush. So, you know, this has 89 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: been a long time coming, and we have, you know, 90 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: a long long. 91 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: Period of. 92 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: An undemocratic, socialist, communist, kleptocratic Venezuela to overcome. But I 93 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: would remind, yeah, I would remind the audience that, you know, 94 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: there are a lot of ways to accomplish these goals besides. 95 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: You know, shooting. 96 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: And I think that the Trump administration is well on 97 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: the road to making a transition to a pro American 98 00:07:49,880 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: administration in Venezuela, through intelligence operations, through negotiations, and so 99 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: for example, we are hearing reports that the vice president 100 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: who took over once a Maduro was snatched, has been 101 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: playing ball with us for almost a year, and so 102 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: this is a you know, clearly behind the scenes intelligence 103 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: operation that's been working with her. 104 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: And I would. 105 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: Suggest that it would be wise for critics to withhold 106 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: their criticism until we see how these operations work. Out, 107 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: and the President has made it quite clear that he's 108 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: prepared for another strike if that's necessary. But it would 109 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: be much obviously would be much better if we didn't 110 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: have to do that. 111 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: George McInnes just to take a break here in just 112 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: a moment. But as we speak, there are reports that 113 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: this former Vice president and let's be clear, long time, 114 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, enabler and colleague and comrade of Nicholas Maduro 115 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: Delsia Rodriguez, is apparently agreed that we're going to get 116 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: something on the order. It's a rather big expanse between 117 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: thirty and fifty million barrels of Venezuela and oil for 118 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: President Trump to sell and dispose of the proceeds of 119 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: the sale as he sees fit, ostensibly to the benefit 120 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: of both the vends, oil and people and our own 121 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: I want to ask you on the other side of 122 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: this break, you know what's that about? How would that work? 123 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: And do you think it can catalyze the kind of 124 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: transformation that's required in the government of Venezuela. Right back 125 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: with more with George Raisley state due. We're back. So 126 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: is George Rasley our duty genius here at Securing America 127 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: A man of uncommon common sense as well as high intellect. George, 128 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: you have been following closely, I know, the kinds of 129 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: evolution in our energy posture in this country. President Trump 130 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: made it a signature campaign pledge that we would regain 131 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: not only energy security after much of it was squandered, 132 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: including notably our you know, precious petroleum stockpile, but also 133 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: the you know, rebuilding of the capacity to extract oil 134 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: in this country. And now we're hearing a lot about 135 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: oil in Venezuela, and it's been described by the President 136 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: as our oil. It has been his purpose there to 137 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: get it back. He's talking about sending a delegation of 138 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: major oil executives down there to invest massively in the 139 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: venezuel And energy sector to try to get it back 140 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: online after it was ruined really by Ugo Chavez and 141 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: then Nicholas maduro So. And then on top of it, 142 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: there's this talk about getting thirty to fifty million barrels 143 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: of that oil right quick immediately, I think is the 144 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: term the President used. Tell us what's going on here, sir, 145 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: what we should make of it? 146 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: Well, it's important to recognize that, you know, Venezuela and 147 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: oil has been under sanction for many years, and consequently 148 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: it has been traded on the gray market, the black market. 149 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: It's been part of what amounts to nation state money 150 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: laundering operation with the Russians and the Iranians, yeah, and 151 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:35,599 Speaker 2: the Chinese. 152 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: And so. 153 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: Bringing Venezuela and oil back onto the legitimate world market 154 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: will presumably lower the price on the world market because 155 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 2: more supply, lower price. 156 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: But more to the. 157 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: Point, the Venezuelan economy is largely dependent on oil and 158 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: it has taken a massive, massive hit. I have to 159 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: recognize that at one time Venezuela was you had the 160 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 2: fourth highest GDP in the world. It had a standard 161 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: of living that was first world and the destruction of 162 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 2: the Venezuelan economy by Chevez and Maduro has devastated the 163 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: Venezuelan people. I saw an article and I believe it 164 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 2: to be true that the average Venezuelan has lost almost 165 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: twenty pounds in the last decade because they're starving. I mean, 166 00:13:53,960 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 2: even middle class people, professionals, business owners are you know, 167 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: having trouble finding food. And so to the extent that 168 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: the president has the ability to take the millions of 169 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: dollars that would be raised by selling this oil on 170 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: the world market and use that for the benefit of 171 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: the Venezuelan people obviously helps in encouraging this transition, because 172 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: you know, the average person on the street in Caracas, 173 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: for example, has suffered terribly, and to the extent that 174 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: we have the ability to put a big American flag 175 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: on any relief of that suffering is to our great advantage. Additionally, 176 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: there is the issue of the Venezuelan confiscation of our 177 00:14:54,120 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: oil investments in the country, and you know, yeah, and 178 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: so compensation is due for that. How that and when 179 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: that compensation is achieved is yet to be determined. But clearly, 180 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: you know, some of the proceeds of this oil sale 181 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: could could go to that, or could go to encouraging 182 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: American oil companies to re engage with Venezuela and assisting 183 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: them in their development efforts. 184 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 4: You know, we had Rod Martin on the other day 185 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 4: and he made the observation that when we talk here 186 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 4: President Trump, talking specifically about our oil in Venezuela, he 187 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 4: makes the observation that you know, that oil was made 188 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:57,359 Speaker 4: available to Venezuela by virtue of those investments of American companies. 189 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: They were, yes, profiting from the results of exploiting that oil, 190 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: but fifty percent of the proceeds, according to Rod, was 191 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: actually going to the government of Venezuela, so it wasn't 192 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: as though we were ripping it off. He said, if 193 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: you were doing it in the Permian basin, you know 194 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: that owners might get twenty percent of the proceeds rather 195 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: than fifty percent. So this is a this is a 196 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: sort of writing of the ship that is in order here. 197 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: And I guess the question is against the backdrop of 198 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: and as yet untransitioned government and you know, cartel state 199 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: doing business as a nation and government. Can you get 200 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: there from here? I guess is the question. And do 201 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: you have a sense of how this would work, how 202 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: we would take possession of that oil, how we would 203 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: get it, you know, to those international markets. 204 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: George Well, the resident or one of his spokesmen, I forget, 205 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: which has said that it will go directly into storage 206 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 2: ships and be which are controlled by the United States, 207 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: and you know, essentially auctioned if you will. And so 208 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: we will physically as well as financially control how that works. 209 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: And I think that's. 210 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: An unrecognized major step in this transition process. I mean, 211 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: this is in essence, the antagonistic government of Venezuela surrendering 212 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: a huge opportunity to the United States. And so it's 213 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: hard to put exactly into words what this really but 214 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: it's almost a surrender of a chunk of Venezuelan sovereignty, 215 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: if you will. 216 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And obviously there are a lot of people, a 217 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: lot of people who are very sensitive to that being 218 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: done to the benefit of the United States, even though 219 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: it will be very much to the benefit of the 220 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: long suffering people of Venezuela, Georgia. Just a quick further comment, 221 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: one of the things that you sort of alluded to 222 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: in terms of an upside of all of this is 223 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: further reducing the price of oil on the international market, 224 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: and that contributes, of course to further reducing inflation, and 225 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: that contributes further to you know, the affordability as it's 226 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: being called in our country, of not just energy, but 227 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: a whole host of other things that derive from that. 228 00:18:54,160 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: Is that a consideration do you think, in again netting 229 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: out the up and down sides of this courageous presidential action. 230 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 4: Oh? 231 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean it should be if again, it 232 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: is a huge benefit to the average consumer here in 233 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: the United States to see oil prices go down, and 234 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: that translates into lower gas costs, lower commuting costs, lower 235 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: home heating costs this winter, and it should be recognized 236 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: as an important contribution politically as well. I mean, imagine 237 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 2: a drop in oil prices and gas prices at the 238 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: pump going into the twenty twenty six mid terms. 239 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: You've tied up perfectly what I want to turn to 240 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: next in our long block. We'll be right back with 241 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: George Racley about the upcoming midterm elections and what it 242 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: portends for America in the world. Right after this, we're back. 243 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: We're back with fortunately one of our great resources on 244 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: all things political, because well it is twenty twenty six 245 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: and it is a political year. There will be mid 246 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: term elections for a third of the Senate, for all 247 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: of the House of Representatives, and for large numbers of 248 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: state legislators and some governors and others around the country. 249 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: We have had a recent election, of course, in the 250 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: previous off year. George and I want to talk with 251 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: you about the first days of the Zorn Mamdani mayor 252 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: to mayoralty in New York City. But before we do, 253 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit as a man who 254 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: is intimately familiar with the world of politics, having, as 255 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: I said at the outset, served in one capacity or 256 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: another on some three hundred campaigns over your career. How 257 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: are you making book on this falls well, midterms and 258 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: these other elections as well well. 259 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: I remain cautiously optimistic on the issue side, and you know, 260 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 2: the issues are clearly all on the Republican and Conservative 261 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 2: in MAGA. 262 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: Side of the ledger. 263 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: I am less optimistic on the technical side because midterm 264 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: elections are turnout elections. The turnout is going to be lower. 265 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: President Trump's not on the ballot and he's a big 266 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: turnout driver. 267 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 3: H And so. 268 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: It really comes down to do we have confidence in 269 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 2: the Republican leadership UH to deploy the necessary resources in 270 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 2: a winning manner. And I'm not as optimistic simply because 271 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: the track record of these guys isn't all that great. 272 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 2: Plus the fact, yeah, and plus the fact we've got 273 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: a couple of unexpected challenges Dougla Moffa passing away unexpectedly 274 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: and Baird being in this terrible car accident, you know, 275 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: certainly added to questionable. 276 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 3: Seats to our count there. 277 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 2: On the other hand, the Democrats are in such disarray. 278 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, to the extent that there may 279 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: be a disagreement or an alleged civil war between you know, 280 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 2: MAGA and the Republican establishment that pales in comparison to 281 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 2: what's going on in the Democratic Party right now and 282 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 2: so uh. And part of the reason for that is that, 283 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 2: you know, the populist MAGA side appears to be winning 284 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: in the so called Republican civil war. On the Democratic side, 285 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: the far left WACO side is winning. And uh. You know, 286 00:23:52,760 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: the national appeal of guys like Zorin Mandami, AOC, all 287 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: these other far left democrats is zero. It only works 288 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 2: in the big urban areas. 289 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 3: Uh. 290 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: And where there's a million Muslims in the case of Mamdani, 291 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: and large numbers of Democratic Socialists Communists, yeah, as operatives 292 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: as well. George, I do, I do want to come 293 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: back to Mamdani in just a moment, but just staying 294 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: with the politics thing, the one whole card it seems 295 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: that the Democrats think they have is that there's going 296 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: to be unbelievable hardship. Say, it's nothing of sticker shock 297 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: for millions and millions and millions of Americans over healthcare 298 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: and costs that are now going to rise because of 299 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: a end of subsidies that were I guess, you know, 300 00:24:54,640 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: first introduced in the COVID pandemic moment. How do what 301 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: does that play out? Do you think? And is that 302 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: in fact going to be a decisive issue for Democrats 303 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: do you believe? 304 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 2: Well, First of all, the healthcare quote affordability end of 305 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: quote issue is one that has been I think badly 306 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 2: mangled by the national media, probably intentionally to help the Democrats. 307 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 2: But let's keep in mind that nothing that these subsidies 308 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: were doing is actually lowering the cost of health care. 309 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: It's merely transferring the burden. And so to the extent 310 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: that someone was getting a taxpayer subsidy for their health care, 311 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: that merely meant that people who weren't getting the subsidy 312 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: were paying for it. And it remains to be seen 313 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: really whether or not the people who lose their subsidies 314 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 2: were Republican voters or who were already on the other side. 315 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: And I know Senator Josh Holly is very concerned that 316 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 2: quote his people end up quote will be losing you know, 317 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 2: some of their subsidies will We'll see how that works out. 318 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: And how the Trump administration answers that question. But to 319 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 2: the extent that there's all this talk about you know, 320 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: healthcare costs going up, well, they're only going up for 321 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: people who were being subsidized by other people, and so 322 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 2: their squeak will Republicans need to message. 323 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: On yeah, And it will be interesting to see if 324 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: they will have the fortitude to do that or whether 325 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: they will perceive this is a huge vulnerability to them, 326 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 1: and they will begin trying to figure out how to 327 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: throw other people's money at the problem. George, let me 328 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: turn to Mamdani because he's obviously going to be capitalizing 329 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: on this, among many other things. I have to say, 330 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: even as much as I thought I had stealed myself 331 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: for what this well Marxist, jihadist twelver was going to 332 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: have in the way of an agenda, I have been 333 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: somewhat surprised to see right out of the gate appointees 334 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: of this mayor pronouncing that they're going to end private property, 335 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: at least white people's private property, and begin, you know, 336 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: essentially having the state buying up property and thereby becoming 337 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, well, I guess the term he used in 338 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 1: his mayoral address embracing the warmth of collectivism. What are 339 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: we to make of all this? 340 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, based on history, the warmth of collectivism is 341 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: the warmth of the grave. So yeah, it turns out. Yeah, 342 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 2: I suspect that Mandami's agenda is going to run into 343 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 2: the hard reality of the coldness of cash as it proceeds. 344 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: But it should fright, But it could have just interrupt 345 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: you on that, George, because this is something we need 346 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: to tease out. The coldness of cash. Suggests that your 347 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: view that this won't work without you know, other people's money, 348 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, lubricating it all. Our colleague of friend, Sam 349 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: Fattis points out that he's not he's not really interested 350 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: in making it work. Failure is a is a plus, 351 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: it's a it's a feature, not a bug. As they say, 352 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: he is looking to have chaos in the city of 353 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: New York, not have a functioning system under a socialist medal. 354 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: Do you disagree with that assessment. 355 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: Sir, Uh, I think that Sam is onto something there. Uh. 356 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: And the question though, in my mind is where does 357 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: the chaos lead and what is uh? You know, what's 358 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: there in the goal? If chaos is the you know, 359 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 2: is the intention? And it seems to me that they 360 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: have to come up with a way of producing on 361 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: some of their promises. 362 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: Uh. 363 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: And so if if chaos is the only goal, uh, 364 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: then certainly they're well tied up to to accomplish chaos, 365 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: if chaos can be considered an accomplishment. But you know, 366 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: back to my initial point, there's got to be you know, 367 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: if you promising free bus rides, people who were promised 368 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 2: those free bus rides are going to expect them to 369 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: happen pretty quick and so mandame. 370 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: But the buses will continue to run. 371 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: So you know, Mamdammy has this same problem that Trump 372 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 2: has in a sense of these great high expectations for 373 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: immediate results. So if those results don't occur, certainly chaos 374 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: is you know, well that's a result, I guess. But 375 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: if people don't get what they were promised in terms 376 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: of free bus bus rides, stay run grocery stores, YadA, YadA, YadA, 377 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: then there's going to be a different kind of chaos 378 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: that Mondami may not want, which is you know, thousands 379 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: of people showing up in front of Gracie Mansion demanding 380 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: their free bus ride. 381 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does at the end of the day, come 382 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 1: down to whose ox is being gored, doesn't it. Yeah, so, George, 383 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: if Mam Donnie is not simply a revolutionary whose ideas 384 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: basically I think the leniss one of the worse the better. 385 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: But he's going to have to somehow make things work 386 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: to the point where at least the people that are 387 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: going to be part of the revolution are going to be, 388 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: you know, aiming their pitchforks at landlords and capitalists and 389 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: white people and the like. It does sound as though 390 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: this is going to be a management challenge for him, 391 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: even if chaos is the desired objective. We have to 392 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: take a break. We're going to come right back with 393 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: George Racy and we're going to talk about, among other things, 394 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: on the other side, where do we go on January sixth, 395 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: and it's fifth anniversary and more Right after this we're back, 396 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: So is George Raceley, the editor of Conservative h Q. 397 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm told something on the order of a quarter million 398 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: people subscribe to George's outstanding resource. I hope you will 399 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: be one of them. It is a very very important 400 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: contributor to the public policy debate, and especially if you 401 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: are like me of a conservative mind, it is really 402 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: invaluable in terms of both George's thinking and that of 403 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: others who's telling that he draws upon to inform and 404 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: well equip us to make sensible policy decisions in the 405 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,239 Speaker 1: national security arena and more. George, thank you for all 406 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: of that. Of course, let me just ask you. You 407 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: had prominently featured on your Conservative HQ page in the 408 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: recent days an analysis of January sixth, twenty twenty one. 409 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: Where we are five years on, I keep hearing from 410 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: the media that, you know, it's absolutely proven that this 411 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: was an insurrection that Donald Trump was responsible for for 412 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: a minute, you know, inspiring it and making it happen, 413 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: and its purpose was to overthrow the government of the 414 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: United States full stop. 415 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 2: Do you agree, Well, if that was an insurrect, it 416 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 2: was the lamest and most inadequate insurrection ever. 417 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 3: Undertaken. 418 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 2: It was, in my mind, a legitimate protest that was 419 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: directed to get out of hand by actions of the 420 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: former Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi and her minions 421 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 2: in the Capitol Police and the Metropolitan Police of Washington, 422 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 2: d C. And the information that's come out subsequent to 423 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 2: January sixth, as I think demonstrated, if not proven beyond 424 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt, that that is in fact the case 425 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 2: from a political perspective, and I hate to, you know, 426 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: put it this way, because many of the J six 427 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 2: protesters suffered unbelievable hardship subsequent to that, including some that 428 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 2: were driven to suicide. But the rest of of America, 429 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 2: outside of the Democratic members of Congress, has long ago 430 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 2: moved on from January sixth. It doesn't show up in 431 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 2: any political polling as an issue. 432 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 3: It's way way way. I mean, you know, if. 433 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 2: It's in the top fifty for those and it means 434 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 2: a lot. And let's get this straight. It means a 435 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 2: lot to the people who suffered and their families, and 436 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 2: they I believe have a legitimate claim to be made 437 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 2: whole on a whole range of matters. But the rest 438 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: of America is more concerned about the price of gas, 439 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 2: you know, their job security, the price of food, things 440 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: like that. And so as much as I sympathize with 441 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 2: the JA six protesters who appear in the video, by 442 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 2: the way that you referenced on Conservative HQ today, you 443 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: know the rest of America isn't focused on that. 444 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: So, just to tie this off, does your analysis of 445 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: what happened that day and. 446 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 3: That of the you know, the. 447 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: Video that you are touting here come to the conclusion 448 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: that I have that this was a direct action operation 449 00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: by the Democrats, notably Nancy Pelosi, with help from the 450 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: mayor of Washington, d C. And evidently large numbers of 451 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: FBI undercover personnel and informants and presumably other provocateurs brought 452 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: in for the purpose to undermine Donald Trump and essentially fracture, 453 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 1: if not more or less put out of business, his base. 454 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: And honestly, in hindsight, it certainly seems as though that 455 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: explanation best fits the facts. Would you agree? Oh? 456 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I think that one of the failures 457 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 2: of the Republican majority in the House has been to 458 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 2: ferret out the details of that and to expose them. 459 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 2: And this is something that is sort of promise to 460 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 2: people during the twenty twenty four campaign and as yet 461 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 2: to happen. 462 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 3: But all the. 463 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 2: Evidence that I've seen, and I've spent probably hundreds of 464 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 2: hours reading and reviewing and talking to people who were there, 465 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 2: indicates that this was in fact a well planned. 466 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 3: Direct action as you put it. 467 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and clearly Pelosi, Christopher Ray, the mayor of Washington, 468 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 2: d C. We're all working in concert to create chaos, 469 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 2: to hit a subject that we just talked about in 470 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 2: the last segment, and they largely succeeded. Where they failed 471 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 2: was in aiding Trump as a political force, and I 472 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 2: think people were more intensely committed to the Trump agenda 473 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 2: than ever after January sixth than they were before it. 474 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: And George, just thirty seconds on this, are you also 475 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: persuaded that the January sixth protests were correct in their calculation, 476 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: their estimation, their assessment that the election of twenty twenty 477 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 1: four had been stolen? 478 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 2: Excuse me, Oh yeah, there's tons and tons of evidence 479 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 2: that's coming out. Tulci Gabbard has alluded to it, I 480 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 2: hope will be revealed in more detail. But more to 481 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 2: the point, the people there had a constitutional right to 482 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 2: show up and protest and to petition their government, and 483 00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 2: to the extent that they were provoked into any kind 484 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 2: of violent action by this was part of this chaos 485 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 2: creating strategy, the scheme. 486 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: The conspiracy. George hold the thought, we'll be right back 487 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: with more with the Great George Racy right after this. 488 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: We're back for one final installment in this very special 489 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: hour long conversation. 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George, we touched on 495 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: this a little bit in connection with Mamdani, a jihadist 496 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: actually of the Iranian Shiai school, which makes him a 497 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: twelve ver, which makes him, according to that strain of Islam, 498 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: in favor of bringing about the apocalypse so as to 499 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: usher in the golden age of Islam, in the return 500 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: of the Madi, and so on. There are others, not 501 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: necessarily of that particular stripe, but who similarly adhere to Sharia, 502 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: who seek its supremacy in our country, replacing our constitution 503 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: and dominating our part of Western civilization, as they're busily 504 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: doing other parts as well. I wanted to ask you 505 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: about this revelation of what some of those who are 506 00:41:54,320 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 1: part of this movement of Somali extraction in Minnesota have 507 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: been found out to be doing in the way of 508 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: well kind of stealthyach you had, I guess what might 509 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: call it, and the knock on effects of the revelations 510 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: of epic fraud there on the candidacy of Tim Waltz, 511 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,760 Speaker 1: the assipting governor, to run for a third term. 512 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 2: Well, the revelations about this vast fraud, some have to 513 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 2: suggested it's as much as nineteen billion dollars in counting. 514 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 3: Are I mean, this is the model of. 515 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 2: The Agency for International Development grift on the federal level 516 00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 2: taken down to the state level, in which favored individuals 517 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,240 Speaker 2: and interests, in this case the Somali community, a huge 518 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 2: voting block for Democrats. In fact, you know them. They're 519 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 2: they're the reason Democrats control Minnesota. Now, uh they were 520 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 2: in essence paid off by allowing them to corruptly uh 521 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 2: access these billions of dollars in federal payments. And this 522 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 2: was not an accident, This is not incompetence. This was 523 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 2: Waltz and the Democrats in Minnesota turning a blind eye 524 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 2: to these guys stealing these billions of dollars in return 525 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 2: for their political support. And there's no other way to 526 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,279 Speaker 2: look at it. And uh so that in the same 527 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 2: way that a I D enriched favored Democrats in their 528 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 2: not profit organizations, So the same model was used in 529 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,760 Speaker 2: Minnesota to enrich these guys. 530 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 1: So back the lends up a little bit, George. And 531 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: to what extent is this evidence not only of grift 532 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: as you called it, and corruption at the highest levels 533 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 1: in that state, but also of you know, the agenda 534 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: of the Sharia supremacists to take us down, you know, 535 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: using stealthy techniques if violence may not operate at the moment. 536 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, these these billions of dollars, a lot of 537 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:45,920 Speaker 2: them went back to Somalia to UH support UH Sharia 538 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 2: supremacist military operations there. They also have gone to UH 539 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 2: support mosques and other command and control centers, probably not 540 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 2: just in Minnesota, but all over the country. And so again, 541 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 2: the flow of cash into these guys was is directly 542 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 2: supporting the undermining of our constitutional republic. And you know this, 543 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 2: This isn't a case where a few guys got rich 544 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 2: and got caught. This is a endemic funding mechanism for 545 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 2: the enemies of our constitutional republic with our own tax dollars. 546 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 2: And it's something that the Democrats, it's not a bug, 547 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,240 Speaker 2: it's a feature of how they operate. 548 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: George. You allude there to the point that some of 549 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: this money would have flowed into other places in the 550 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: United States and be used for the purposes of mosque 551 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: building or creating you know, Sharia compliant communities, no go zones, 552 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: and similar subversion. Texas is one place where I suspect 553 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: that's been happening. We certainly see flows of money from 554 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,720 Speaker 1: Michigan and elsewhere in the country and flows of people 555 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: moving to Texas for the purposes of establishing you know, 556 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:32,399 Speaker 1: this Sharia infrastructure. We're going to be talking a good 557 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: bit about this this week as it happens. I'm going 558 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: to be participating in some of the programs that are 559 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:44,240 Speaker 1: going to take place in the Dallas area featuring the 560 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: marvelous Dutch parliamentarian and freedom fighter geart builders and our 561 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 1: friend Steve Bannon and Peter Mackavian and others who have 562 00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: been warning of what's coming to Texas and the stakes 563 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 1: for the country if it succeeds there. Could you give 564 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,360 Speaker 1: us a quick appreciation of the importance of all of that. 565 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, these guys are very smart and strategic, 566 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,799 Speaker 2: and they recognize that if Texas falls, America falls, and 567 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:25,400 Speaker 2: they have targeted Texas with mosque building, with importing thousands 568 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 2: of Muslims into the state for the purpose of turning 569 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 2: Texas into Minnesota. And these are targeted efforts. I mean, 570 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 2: the whole reason that smalli's are where they are is 571 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 2: part of an effort to take out a conservative rockstar, 572 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 2: Michelle Bachman. 573 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: And it worked. 574 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 2: And so you know to the extent that people need 575 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 2: to understand what's going on here. This is not an accident. 576 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,760 Speaker 2: They're not in Texas for the sunny weather. They're there 577 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,320 Speaker 2: to under mind the constitutional Republic of the United States 578 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:03,880 Speaker 2: of America. 579 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 1: Full stop. George, we have to stop. This is a 580 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 1: critical point to which we will return with you in 581 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: the very near future, and to which we will be 582 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 1: addressing ourselves with a lot of others as well. In 583 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 1: the meantime. God bless you, my friend. Thanks for the 584 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,359 Speaker 1: great work you do a conservative HQ. I know youll 585 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: keep it. Thanks Thanks for the rest of you joining us. 586 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: I hope you go back next time. Until then, go 587 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 1: forth and multiply