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Speaker 1: Okay you on Phil Wild Phil? Why the wild Phil?

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Speaker 1: I don't know because I'm used to calling people named

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Speaker 1: your name's Bill, that can go any direction. Man, there's

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Speaker 1: some wild Phils out there, Wild Phil, Wild Phil, Hiccock,

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Speaker 1: Wild Phil Cody, Big Phil Cody. Anyway, Wild Phil. Thank

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Speaker 1: you Phil. Uh, Jason Commut, introduce yourself real quick, and

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Speaker 1: then I got a quick question for you, Jason Phelps

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Speaker 1: Dirk Durham with Phelps Game Calls. Good job, guys. If

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Speaker 1: all get out. Yeah, like it's not good. You're an

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Speaker 1: impatient person. Yeah, your whole life. You've known this well.

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Speaker 1: The reason I asked, um, you got a couple of

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Speaker 1: a handful of nipple like nipple ripping nipple stories coming

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Speaker 1: pass them by. No, a new one came in, Um,

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Speaker 1: s guy says, I thought you'd be interested in this.

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Speaker 1: He says that they were out. They were in Ontario, Canada,

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Speaker 1: purple nipple, which is when you pinch someone's nipple apparently

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Speaker 1: Purple nerple. That's what I've been told, purple nerple, purple

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Speaker 1: Let me double check. I mean the titty twister is

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Speaker 1: had little teeny pin prick holes. Then later they're sitting

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Speaker 1: they have cans of paint labeled no hunting purple, which

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Speaker 1: A collar? Would you? Then? Would you then take photos

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Speaker 1: this science at work? All right, so let's very last

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Speaker 1: day to hunt. You've been grinding up for fourteen days

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Speaker 1: this season. In regards to the micro chip eating the

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Speaker 1: It's you know, for us, it's gonna end up. You know,

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Speaker 1: let's say you're out hunting for fourteen days and you

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Speaker 1: end up in a pit toilet somewhere, right, So I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't think you gotta worry about being tracked

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Speaker 1: as long as you're a regular fella. Like so you're saying,

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Speaker 1: if you're a Kentuckian, Yeah, and you shoot a collar, dear,

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Speaker 1: ground and do ingest this tracking chip, and you're worry

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Speaker 1: about government interference in your life, you will eventually pass it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you will scat it out, and you will then be

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Speaker 1: free of the government following you around. Yes, you will

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Speaker 1: have led them to the Flying J truck stop. We

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Speaker 1: these temporary I saw that in Tennessee. They can glue

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Speaker 1: And then they it's basically a young, a young immature

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00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: turkey trying to to yell. Yeah. Guys that hunt turkeys

423
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: with dogs, right, Um, don't they when they when they

424
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: go on the fall, and you scatter up the whole crew,

425
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: scatter up a flock and then they'll kind of get

426
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: in a central location to try to start calling the

427
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: flock back together. A lot of yeah, a lot of

428
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: kikiS in the fall. Yeah, that's that's what that's I've

429
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: never done that, but that's I think that's the call

430
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: they use, that long drawn out he helps and stuff.

431
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, it just and so that we design a

432
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: turkey call to do that kiki and it's very very

433
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: similar to a cow call um, you know when we

434
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: get when we get as was like, hey, I'm a

435
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: turkey callor never touching elk call, and Tim like, hey,

436
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: can you keeky run on some double and triple reads

437
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: and they said yeah. I'm like, well you're gonna be.

438
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: You hit the ground running on calls, you'll be able

439
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: to figure it out real quick. So when you make

440
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: a when you make a call for that turkey sound,

441
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: it's just a single read. It's a it's usually a

442
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: triple was like a ghost cut. So you're trying to

443
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: remove you don't want any overhanging in the middle. You

444
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: want that middle to be clean so you can get

445
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: those high pitched key run so it's uses like a

446
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: ghost cut or or a straight read. Hey, real quick, gunny,

447
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: explain to explained to these boys, the um are you

448
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 1: looking at me like that? I'm just trying to prepare

449
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: my mind for what's coming at me. Explained to these boys.

450
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: The guys upcut, oh um, the guys that cut. I

451
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: sent pictures of the guys up cut to Jason. But

452
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: it's basically like a small you shaped cut out of

453
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: one side, and then within that you shape, there's two

454
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: little micro slits, and then at the opposite end of

455
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: the call there's a micro slit, and then from there

456
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: he starts there and then to dial in the diaphragm.

457
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: He just slowly shaves like the fleeting edge of the

458
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: top read. And as that as you find where you

459
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: wanted to be, you stopped. You you just you stop

460
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: clipping little edges off, you know, the front edge off

461
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: of that call. I don't, I don't. I don't want

462
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: to criticize if I feel like folks at home would

463
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: have no idea what you're talking about. Okay, I can

464
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: go all the way back to you know why it's

465
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: it's largely my fault. Can you explain what it explain

466
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: a diaphragm call the people. I mean they can hopefully

467
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: they can just pick up their phone and type in

468
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: like diaphragm alcohol. Yeah. So we basically have three parts.

469
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: We have a piece of tape. We have an aluminum frame.

470
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: We have latex, whether it's single, double, triple stack. It

471
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: looks like a filled in horse shoe. Yep, yep, you

472
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: gotta you put this little piece in your mouth that's

473
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: maybe inch and a half wide, inch deep and um.

474
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 1: That latex and whatever fashion it is, vibrates um. As

475
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: you blow air across that, you get a seal with

476
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: that tape. All the air that comes out of your

477
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 1: diaphragm your chest will go across that latex and it

478
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: vibrates um. And it's that vibration that gives us a

479
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: different sounds. So you know how we have how we

480
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: stretch the call, the thickness of the latex, the cuts,

481
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: the overhangs, all that effects that sound. We get out

482
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: of that call and you can put one piece of

483
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: latex three four three. I mean you could use the

484
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: latex from a rubber right. Yeah. We we have used

485
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: condoms on when when the prophylactics and shorts supply, So

486
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: a lot of your good turkey calls really sendles out

487
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: to folks. We we have, Uh, if you go, if

488
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: you were to go look at my call Ben, I've

489
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: got like tons of rolled up condoms, like you know,

490
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: there's no no coding on them, but they're just basically

491
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: robbed condoms that we can cut up and get squares

492
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: out of and use to make calls. And when you

493
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: go down and buy all those at the drug store,

494
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: no no, no, no, we're like, oh, you know, just

495
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: making some game calls. Factory direct the coming big giant bags.

496
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: So it's the same latex. Yeah, yeah, I mean for

497
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: the most part, it's it's one of the types we

498
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: can use. Can you use latex gloves Latex that's too thick?

499
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: Usually that's usually like five six mill Everything we use

500
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: is like in the four thousands. The Max will use

501
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: like five thousands latex was really thin, like dental grade latex.

502
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: And when you say tape, the body of it's made

503
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: out of tape. Yep, tape. It's it's really gaffer's tape.

504
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: Everything that we use on our calls is basically just

505
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: the colored gaffer's tape. We had everything in house then

506
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: sets taping. Where do you get the frames from? You said,

507
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: you have a manufactured design and then we have a

508
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: progressive die. So it takes like four stages. You know.

509
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: The first stage it'll it'll cut to cut the center out,

510
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: the second stage will shape the frame, third will cut

511
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: the perimeter, and then um, it spits into a little bucket.

512
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: So the thing builds like you do that in house. No,

513
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: we don't do that in house. That we outsourced that.

514
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: So that's one of those things. It's just it's two

515
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: time consuming and it's it's expensive to do in house.

516
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: So are you guys like stamping the frame out of

517
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: like aluminum or does that come yep, that's just um

518
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: we we specify the thickness we played with that. Um

519
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: we apply adhesive backers, so there's actually adhesive on the

520
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: inside of that clamshell. And then it's just a little

521
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: It starts its life as a strip that's as you know,

522
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: as white as it runs through that progressive die and

523
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: and punches it out in like four stages are normal

524
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: our Turkey call frames that don't have like the amp

525
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: dome on the top. It's only like a three stage

526
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: progressive die. So it's just Um, you know there's guys

527
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: that are a lot you know, even as an engineer,

528
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: there's guys that are tolling engineers. They'll just they'll look

529
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: at our drawing and say, oh, this is the most

530
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: efficient way to build this part. So what we're talking

531
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: about is when you make one of these calls, you

532
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: stretch the you stretch the elastic, or stretch the latex,

533
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: and then there's all kinds of manipulations. You can do

534
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: the latex, cutting little shapes and do them whatnot. And

535
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 1: that's always done on the top read. Correct. You can

536
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: do it on the bottom read, but it doesn't have

537
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: any effect. I mean, you can cut the heck out

538
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: of the bottom read, but it's that top read that

539
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: has the overhanging material that vibrates because you're pushing air

540
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: basically from the bottom to the top. Those top little

541
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: fingers or any of the overhanging material is what's vibrating,

542
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: giving you that rasp on a turkey call. We're on

543
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: an elk call. You see that. We usually always have

544
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: a leading edges straight and that's when we can get

545
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: those clean, more elk like sounds. We don't want anything overhanging. Um,

546
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: you want to rasp old. I mean, yeah, I'm on

547
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: the out call side. Will just do it with their

548
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: voice or you know, throw or whatever. So our body,

549
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: UM likes to. I don't want to. I'm not gonna.

550
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to insult your business. Maybe even encourages

551
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: our body is so particular. Our buddy guys Uck is

552
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: so particular. He's been on this show. He calls turkeys.

553
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: He a lot of times. He used to be a

554
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: competitive no call caller, this mouth mouth calling caller. But

555
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: he's particular. So he likes to get one that's not

556
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: been cut because he likes to make his own little

557
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 1: cuts in it with fly tie and scissors. Um, do

558
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: you do you sell stuff for that purpose? Do you

559
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: have a lot of people that like to do that

560
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: that are so finicky? We don't, I think, I mean,

561
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: and that's what It's unfortunate that, Um, you know, we're

562
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: trying to design these and build him for the masses,

563
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: and so I think, you know, guy sounds like he

564
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: might be like a one per center, Like nobody wants

565
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: they want to be able to open this. Yeah, call

566
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: all the package and be ready to roll. But when

567
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: you here's what I'm trying to drive at so. Then

568
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: Yanni explained that he talked about what he does with

569
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: his scissors again, like how he cuts that little he

570
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: cuts that latex piece. Yeah, he definitely had. There was

571
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: a set of steps to make sure, like he would

572
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: pull it one direction, cut it and that would make

573
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: the little U and get in there, make two little

574
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: cuts within the U. This is all on the top read,

575
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: and you'd go to the far end of that piece

576
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: of a text, cut a little slit when I'm talking little,

577
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: it's like micro sixteenth of an inch probably, and then

578
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: shave like a sixteenth of the nich off the overhanging edge.

579
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: And then as he called on it, if it was

580
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: too raspy, he would back off and keep cutting and

581
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: shorten that top read until he got the sound. He like,

582
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: I need to put my reading glasses on just to

583
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: think about him in there doing that, which all makes sense.

584
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the more overhanging material, the raspier then so

585
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: the more you can, you know, cut that back. It's

586
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: just we try to get you know, when we do

587
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: all of our cutting, we're trying to get the way there.

588
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: That's you know, I hate to say the word good

589
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: enough when we're trying to build really good calls, but

590
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, we get there. The thought call is good

591
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: enough for guys that pull out the box. And I

592
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: wouldn't trustcent of people taking scissors to one of our

593
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: calls because they're gonna screwed it up in some forms.

594
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't have Yeah. He's also told me

595
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: to keep minding. He made three of them for me

596
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: and told me keeping the frieze fridging freezers by far

597
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, freezer freezer, get him dry and then

598
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: throw them in the freezer, saying with your spear gun bands?

599
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: Is that right? I hang mine in the garage. We're

600
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: supposed to keep a spear gun band in the freezer? Huh?

601
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: All right, we have a little area my freezers full

602
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: of calls and spear gun bands. That was a common question.

603
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: We had a lot we we asked for questions um

604
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 1: for this podcast about ELK calls and calling and whatnot,

605
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: and a lot of people ask like how long do

606
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: they last? What's the and what's the best storage? Can

607
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 1: we can we hold that of mix? I still need

608
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: to put this one idea to bed, then you can

609
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: pick that up. When you saw the guy's upcut, were

610
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: you like I've seen that a thousand times that any

611
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: ship or did you look at it and be like,

612
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: huh no, we we make a corner cut call that

613
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: has a real them were cut now where he takes

614
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: it the next level when he's putting those little micro

615
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: cuts and he's he's releasing tension in the upper read

616
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: to pull that tune in the where he wanted you.

617
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: Just like I said, we've seen that cut. It makes

618
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: sense on why it works the way it does. But um,

619
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: we just we do a corner cutting and we don't

620
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: put any of micro cuts in and I believe a

621
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: corner cut right. What he liked about it is that

622
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: he feels that I think that you can get raspy

623
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: on one side of it and then blow on the

624
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: other side of it and get that clean sound that

625
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: would be able to do a key key run exactly.

626
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: And that's why the combo cuts the most popular tricky

627
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: call cut because you have you have the triangle and

628
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: the overhanging on the left side, and then you have

629
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: like a clear space on the right side, and so

630
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: you can direct air at different directions on the call

631
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: and clean it up or out rasp Are you serious

632
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: you're doing that? Oh yeah, and and so channeling the left, right, left, right, yeah. So.

633
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm not even a tricky call nerd compared

634
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: to some of these guys. Some of these guys will like,

635
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: I'll get an email like, hey, I'm a right I'm

636
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: a right right side blower. I'm like, um, okay, you know,

637
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, can't you just move there to the

638
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 1: other side, because because we usually cut, like our combo

639
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: cut always put the the V and the triangle on

640
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: one side of the call. He's like, can you build

641
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: that call for me in reverse? Well can't? Can't you

642
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: just blow the other way? You know? But some of

643
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: these guys are that particular. They're they're nuts. I'm just

644
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: dead center center man, Like, is it just showing cow

645
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: right now where you open your mouth? No, Like, they're

646
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: directing either the most of the air here on the

647
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: left right side of the diaphragm or the left side

648
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: of the diaphragm. And if you had the overhanging material

649
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: on this side and you directed it to the right side,

650
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: you'd have cleaner sound. Or if you directed it at

651
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: the cut and you overhang material, you'd pick up more

652
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: of that rasp. Maybe I do that stuff, but I

653
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: sure don't think about it. That's that's next level Turkey column. Yeah,

654
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a shirt. If your buddy guys ut

655
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: would to using other Turkey techniques then calling you probably

656
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to mess around with any of that stuff,

657
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: such as decoys and fans and things like that. He

658
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: doesn't like those things, so he doesn't want to know.

659
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: He was impressed by my custom Turkey fan Guy. Oh

660
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: is that? Oh? Sorry, I scream, no, this guy is

661
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: named Guy. It was just confused the hell out of

662
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: my kids name met him, like what's his name? It's

663
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: like his name is Guy, and what's that guy's name? Um?

664
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: He doesn't believe. He doesn't like to use decoys. Nope,

665
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: but he did like my fan that I made. He

666
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: liked how creative and inventive it was. Remember that. Um okay,

667
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: and I'll go into what you're going. My my fan

668
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: proved his reasoning for not using decoys. He'd rather mess

669
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: up with the calls or something else that he did

670
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: as opposed to having the decoy mess it up. And

671
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, but this fan works every single time.

672
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: And so I went and sat down where we knew

673
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: golver was coming through in the afternoons, and I saw

674
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: the gobbler comment. And as soon as the Goldler got

675
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: within range of seeing that decoy picked up his head.

676
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: He looked at it, and he turned around once, looked

677
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: at it, turned around again, looked at it, and then

678
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: turned around the third time and walked away. The more yeah,

679
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: the more I look at yours what's his name? Oh,

680
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: you had a few names, dirty Harry, slim shade, the shady,

681
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: the more incredulous I get. It just is like, were

682
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: you incredulous about how many turkeys came running to him?

683
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: But the more I look at him, the more I

684
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: could see that some turkeys will be like what and

685
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: you had that? I thought you had that problem in Wisconsin. No,

686
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 1: that's what I heard, the slim shade he was scaring

687
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: him away. No, the only bird that he scared away

688
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: was that one in Michigan that like guys like prophetic

689
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: prophetically said that it would and then it did. All right,

690
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: go on with what you're going on about. Uh, we're

691
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: gonna talk about storage and length of a lifetime of

692
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: a call. Speak to that you know they're during use

693
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: like practice, I would say, you know, six months a

694
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,479
Speaker 1: year out of them, no problem. Turkey calls, especially flat

695
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: turkey called double triple reads, you're gonna get you know,

696
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: years out of them. Um, it's just the way they're

697
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: design and constructed. Now like our our ELK calls the

698
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: ant frames, the way we stretch out latex is a

699
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: lot looser so that they're more user friendly. Um, you know,

700
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: you get six months to a year out of it.

701
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: But I say during hunting season, you're probably switching out

702
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: diaphragms once every three days. Um, if you're being a

703
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: lot seriously, Yeah, it's just the I mean, because so

704
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: you make the amp frame that's meant for people that

705
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: suck at calling. No, I mean we all use them too.

706
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: It makes our our job really easy. It's they make

707
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: the right tone. But but the one downside is you

708
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: stretch them so loose, the latex fairly loose in order

709
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: to get that ease of use that you will tend

710
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: to you know, blow them out after three days. And

711
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily blow them out. The diaphragm just gets

712
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: orchard when it's in your mouth all day. That's really

713
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: the driving factor on wearing that thing down fast versus

714
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: when you're practicing at home. You know, you picked off

715
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: the counter, blowing up for ten minutes, throwback on the

716
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: counter and it gets a chance to dry out. Where

717
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: when you're out cutting, you typically have that thing, you know,

718
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: stuff in your cheek for hours on end, and that's

719
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: really what starts to tear that thing apart, just being

720
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: wet all the time. Guys Luck warned us against eating

721
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: um buffalo squirrel legs and stuff like that and then

722
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: using your call. Do you believe that, like just specifically

723
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: buffalo squirrel spicy spicy food. I'm more he says it

724
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: all weak in the latex. I'm more worried about um

725
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: sugar sticking everything together, like you know, somebody taking especially

726
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: like the external cow calls. But all this stuff, you

727
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: if there's multiple layers. You know, you drinking like a

728
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: gatorade and then you go blow in the car right away,

729
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: Well now you got sugar and every crack and everything

730
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: sticking and then yeah, yeah, so is that right? I

731
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: never thought of that sugary stuff, especially on the externals

732
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: for sure, Like that makes us there's a mile our

733
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: reads stick up, and so you know, just with out

734
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: some water before you go crank on a call. How

735
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: do you know one is no good anymore? It doesn't

736
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: sound good anymore for us. It just starts to get dead.

737
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: Like you got to hit a high note bugle and

738
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: you're really trying to like throw it down the canyon.

739
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: It's like it just kind of falls on his face.

740
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: Is it cool to drive around with him on your

741
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: dashboard in the hot sun? No? Well it's cool for

742
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: me as a business owner. Kids, you have to buy

743
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to buy some more calls. I have

744
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: that problem, and a lot of times I'll get in

745
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: my truck it's so hot it burns your legs. My

746
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: calls landing like, yeah, it's not good. Felsame calls Dash.

747
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: That's our next product that's coming out is your diaphragm

748
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: dash store. You're just just lyning all your diaphragms up

749
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: on your dash and cook them to one sixty to some.

750
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: I like to open up my little call pouch opening

751
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: day of archery season and and then start digging through

752
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: all my diaphragms that have pine needles and odd coloration

753
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: to them and start popping those in my mouth and

754
00:40:53,040 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: being like I've found them in my clothes dryer. As

755
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: soon those are not good anymore were you're leaving your

756
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: pants pocket. Some of them make it through. I think, Dirk,

757
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: you sent thee through. I sent one through the dryer,

758
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 1: and it still sounds pretty good, pretty good. It wasn't

759
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: fresh and articulate, but it was pretty good. Uh. Do

760
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: you guys get product returns where people returned that it

761
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: doesn't work because they don't know how to use it.

762
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: We do. I usually try to take care of him

763
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: in like a roundabout way or give them a different option.

764
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: But you do. And it's tough because you don't want

765
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: to tell the person they sucked. Would you just would

766
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: you just call him on the phone and be like,

767
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: here's the call, here's your call. No, I've wanted to.

768
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: I wanted people if it wasn't so gross, sent him back,

769
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna send you an audio file of

770
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: me using that exact call you sent back. And the

771
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: thing does work. But we usually take care of him.

772
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, there are a lot of people, especially this

773
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: time of year. You know, new caller is getting him

774
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: and say this thing doesn't work, and it just kind

775
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: of bite your tongue and take care of him. Here's one.

776
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: Here's one people call up they had bought a diaphragm,

777
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: used it a bit, put it back in the in

778
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: the the ziplock baggy. It came in and they see

779
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: lit up wet, and then they like, two weeks later,

780
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: this thing's moldy. It's moldy. Well you put it back

781
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: in there wet for minutes. Yeah, it's gross. You can't

782
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: do that. That's bad for calls, bad for phelps, bad

783
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: for hygiene, bad for a lot of stuff. So keep them,

784
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: you like to keep them in the freezer, dry out laying.

785
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just lay them on the counter for

786
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: two or three hours after I use them, let them

787
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: dry out and then you know. So I'm pretty fortunate.

788
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: I just go build new calls when I want calls,

789
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: you know. But if you're gonna if you're buying an

790
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: investing scenes, definitely, you know, fridge and freezer, dark um,

791
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: dark kitchen counter, you know, or dark um drawer, any

792
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: of that stuff will work best. Is it bad to

793
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: soak them in mouthwash? It's not. It is. The acid

794
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: in there can definitely break them down. I know a

795
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: lot of people like brush them with their toothbrush at

796
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: the end of the year, you know, or clean them off.

797
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: But I would advise not putting any you know, some

798
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: of that stuff is abrasive in your toothpaste or mouthwashing

799
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: and alcohol, yeah, yeah, it's it's alcohol and you know,

800
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: the acidic. And I think I would stay away from

801
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: any of that sort of stuff because I've done that.

802
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: I've done it a few times. Soaked it in mouthwash, yeah,

803
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: just to make sure like there's no funk growing on there.

804
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: You know what, what's the most common mistake that people

805
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: make when they're trying to start learning how to call um?

806
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: Keep it general, And I think the most common mistake

807
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: is someone will pull it out of the package, put

808
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: it in their mouth and try to do a full,

809
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: big nasty bugle and not succeed and be like, well,

810
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: I can't do this obviously, I don't know what I'm

811
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: doing there. You hear that a lot. And I always

812
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: like to preach fundamentals, learn how to make noises first,

813
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: and then turn those noises into elk calls, so we're

814
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: kind of noises um. The one I like, the high

815
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: pitch noise, is probably the hardest, hardest one to make.

816
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: You kind of go to it, kind of a mosquito noise.

817
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: I like to call it. Let me let me throw

818
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: it all up. Here we go. It's also what you're

819
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: pulling out of your pocket, So I'm gonna pull out

820
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: an amp read. This is the Maverick. This is the

821
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: one I designed with Jason and uh, and I taught

822
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: my kids how to do to call up with the

823
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: same concept. So you want to make this high pitch

824
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: mosquito noise, so that segues into how to calc caoll.

825
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: So once you kind of figure out how to hit

826
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: that high pitch mosquito noise, then just roll anything around

827
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: in your mouth until you can do that. Yeah. And

828
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: then once you make that mosquito noise, relax your tongue.

829
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: So I just kind of let your tongue fall away

830
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 1: and then you'll start hitting the pitches of a cal call. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

831
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: dropping your jaw right. I uh struggled with diaphragms. I mean,

832
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm still like, not at all remotely great, but I

833
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: struggle with diaphragms for long time and then realize that

834
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: I had it about a half inch too far forward,

835
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: And once it occurred to me where it belongs on

836
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: the roof of your mouth made all the difference. Oh yeah,

837
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: you're too far back. You'll gag too far forward, it'll

838
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: make your tongue tickle. Yeah. So when I first started,

839
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, how could anyone ever bear this? The feeling

840
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: of that? And then then I went like gradually back

841
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: back back, and then more I went back back back,

842
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: the more I was like, Oh, this isn't like the

843
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: worst thing in the world, but it's a great regret

844
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: of mine not um devote more time to learn how

845
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: to call. When I was younger, my brother danielays like

846
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: to call docks whatever, and so it was kind of

847
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: like as long as someone liked it, they just became

848
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: like the person that did it, you know, and you

849
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: went forced to do it. But my guy, I wish

850
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: like not learn in Spanish and not learning how to

851
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: call better earlier or too huge missus, because it's frustrating, man,

852
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: it is. And then I think, you know some people

853
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: that spend a lot of time not necessarily being great

854
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: or not doing it the right way, it's tough to

855
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: like rewind and say, right, the call needs to be

856
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: placed here, you need to do this. They're just kind

857
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: of trapped in that, well, this is as good as

858
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get, and then they just ride that out

859
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: that's pretty much where I like, I have a range

860
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: of noises where I'm like they achieved the results I'm

861
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: looking for. And I've basically stopped my education there and

862
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: I need to like keep going. But every year I'm like, yeah,

863
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: I'll just do this. And that's the beauty of it. Like,

864
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, guys guys like me and Dirk that can

865
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, call all the you know, all these sounds

866
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: and make all these perfect tones. I think, you know,

867
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: like you just said, you're effective with what you've got.

868
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't. You don't have to. And that's another thing

869
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: that rolls right into the beginner. A lot of these

870
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: guys learned to call or but then they go out

871
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: in the woods and are super unconfident, like they got

872
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: a bowl bogle and they're like, I'm not gonna call.

873
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to screw this up where it's I

874
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: think we've called in some horrible sounding out you know,

875
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: and it's just be confident and make that sound and

876
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: see what happens versus new callers just they might play

877
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: on the calls. They go out there and they're just

878
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: silent and they they're scared to do anything. My brother

879
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: and I when we first started calling. He sounded horrible.

880
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: It sounds like he stepped on a rabbit and then

881
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: kicked a chiaha or something. It sounded horrible, But he

882
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: would he would put so much emphasis and so much

883
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: emotion and into his calls and just piss off the elk.

884
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: They would just come and I'm like, that sounds terrible,

885
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: But man, bulls would react and they would come in.

886
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of guys make the mistake of

887
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: making that real pretty bugle over and over and over again,

888
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: but there's no emotion to it. You might hear that

889
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: sad that guy you know in the woods, it's like

890
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: over and over again. Yeah, he might get a bold answer,

891
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: but you don't pass them off. So step out of

892
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: the box and let her rip, you know, make some

893
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: tones that are a little off, that's okay, as long

894
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: as you're putting some emotion into it. We are. It

895
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: sounds like a bowl that's just making anoise for the

896
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: sake of making annoyance, which they do versus the ball

897
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: who's like, hey, this is where I am or where

898
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: the hell are you? Guys, I'm gonna fight you. Yeah,

899
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: but you hear some crazy soulence too, though. But we

900
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: when we're first starting, first started Elkin. We'd sit there

901
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: all the time and debate, is that a guy or

902
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: an elk? Is that a guy or an elk? And

903
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: I remember one time, um, we're hunting the Sapphire range

904
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: and convinced ourselves that it was a guy because not

905
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: only was it like you're saying just that like perfect

906
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: little bugle over and over and over again, but it

907
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: was coming from up by a road. And we get

908
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: out there and walk into you know, twenty coles and

909
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: a big bull standing there, and I'm like, man, how

910
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: do you know? You say you can always tell right, No,

911
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: there's there's Yeah. Well I don't want to be so

912
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: it's like a pride thing. I don't want to be

913
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: called in by a hunter or somebody to see me

914
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: and say I called in Feli. So he's been like

915
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times like I'm ready to bail, like

916
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: last second bail I'm getting And then here comes a

917
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: bull coming over the ridge and I'm like, I'm glad

918
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: we stuck it out. Yeah something he's gonna have his

919
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: phone pointed at you to get on camera. He's using

920
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: your calls. He's using your calls. You'd be like, oh,

921
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: that's why I happened. Bro, Yeah, hit him another one,

922
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: Johnnie Ye. Anyone is solicited these questions. That's right. Thank

923
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: you for everyone that's uh helped us out and participated. Um.

924
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: Should we stick with the beginner type stuff while we're here? Um?

925
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: What is step one? We got a lot of that,

926
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: Like a lot of beginners just being like where where

927
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: is step Like give me ground zero? Step one? What's

928
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: the first thing I need to do? I want to

929
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: learn how to alcohol? So, uh, you know, we do

930
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: a lot of marketing. You know, we've got all of

931
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: our signature calls. I would say, don't jump into those

932
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: right away, even though I'd love you to buy one

933
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: of Minor Dirk's personal calls, like start at a at

934
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: a different level and I don't want to sound like

935
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: a used car salesman, but get to and because what

936
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: happens is, you know, there's different latex is, different thicknesses.

937
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: If you maybe by the gray and don't try the black,

938
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: you might say, man, I suck at this, but that

939
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: gray doesn't fit your calling style the way you you

940
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: know apply pressure. UM. So our recommendation is typically by

941
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: UM and I'm gonna get pretty specific in our own

942
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: line of calls here like the black AMP and gray

943
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: AMP and and this goes for any brand though. Hey, sorry,

944
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: we've been saying AMPLE a lot, but I don't think

945
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: anybody knows what AMP is yet. Can you explain? So

946
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: AMP is is the frame that we we developed. It's

947
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's got a bunch of amplify um aluminum

948
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: metal plate. There's a bunch of different acronyms we tied

949
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: all into that AMP UM And so the calls that

950
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: that are these AMP you know, they've they've got the

951
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: logo stamped on our calls. UM. But it's just it's

952
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: basically got a radius hybrid plate that sits over the latex.

953
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: And what that does is make the call easier to

954
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: both Calcoll and Biagle. Back when we made the old

955
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: school flat frames, UM, it was kind of a it

956
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: was a wonder it was either Calcoll or it was

957
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: a bowl call and then to make a call it

958
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: did both. It just wasn't great at anything. So the

959
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: nice thing about these AMP frames is, UM they're smaller,

960
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: they fit they fit most people, UM, you know, narrow pallets,

961
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: high pallets. But it really gives us as a designer,

962
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: UM or call builders um you know called it. It

963
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: is good calcoll is a very good bowl call, and

964
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: you don't really want anything else besides that one call.

965
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: Once you find the one that fits. That's that's what

966
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: the amp um. When we refer to AMP, we're just

967
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: talking about the specific series of diaphragms that we make,

968
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: and that's what you recommend for any new who's like

969
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: dying to get started. Yeah, unless you're like the sixties

970
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: seven year old guys, hause I've been using those quadruple

971
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: framed calls for the last fifty years. Then we'll maybe

972
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: send him over into our triple read flat. But if

973
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: you're a new caller, definitely start with the single reads

974
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: um in the frame. Just name a call, but name

975
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: a call. They should buy black AMP and gray so

976
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: they would go and be like there that is ye

977
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: and so black amp. This is one of the marketing

978
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: genius on my part because nobody ever calls the dame

979
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: calls by their name. They're like, hey, I've got your

980
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: one call that's was white. I want another one of those.

981
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 1: So you're like, oh, you mean the dirty Harry triple

982
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: purple nerple. Yeah, So it just made sense on on

983
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: the normal amp line. We just called them by their color.

984
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: So you got a black that. It just makes my

985
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: life way easier than happen to try to figure out

986
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: what color talking about. Yeah, yeah, you'd be like, you know,

987
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: what do you call it? It's the gray one? Yeah,

988
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: would be the one? So that so the ant black

989
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: and ant gray or what we recommend all new colors.

990
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: Try those, let us know which one you like. That

991
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: way you don't get stuck by intent calls. It might

992
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: not work for your three calls. That might not work

993
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: for you when you if you tell me the ant

994
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: black is your go to, I'll say, all right, let's

995
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: get green and orange next time maybe, Or if the

996
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: black is all you need that That's the other thing

997
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: we get Hey, man, I really love your great call?

998
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: What other ones should I try? I like more great calls.

999
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: It's like there, you don't don't keep like searching for

1000
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: like this. You know the grass isn't always green, or

1001
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: just if it works for you to stay with it.

1002
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: But um. The other thing we get into is like

1003
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to oversell everybody, like, well, do you

1004
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: want a veagle Well you might need a veagle tube

1005
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: because our diaphragms need to be blowing through a vehicle tube.

1006
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: And so then you get the questions. And so if

1007
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: you are going to get a bugle tube, if that's

1008
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: your intention is to go out there and locate bowls

1009
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: and call bowls in with vehicle tubes, Um, the larger

1010
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: Unleashed or the Renegade are going to be easier for

1011
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: you to use. Um. We also have a backpacking version,

1012
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 1: the Unrival. That's a little guy. That thing is sweet.

1013
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: It's a lot nicer, but it's it's not quite as loud,

1014
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: doesn't have quite deeper tones. But the one positive they carry, Yeah,

1015
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's way less room in your pack

1016
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: and it still gets a job done. But a new

1017
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: color is going to find that the larger tubes easier

1018
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: for them to use. And you can beat a barrel

1019
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: or tohead. Yeah yeah, yeah, you can playin pint coo

1020
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: and baseball and during a lunch break and all kinds

1021
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: of stuff. Hey have you ever? Um, that's good. You

1022
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: could play pine cone baseball with that? Have you guys ever?

1023
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: I know you only sell like five of them. Do

1024
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: you guys ever make moose tubes? We do? Um, it's

1025
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: just a cut off version of our bogle tubes so

1026
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: um every year when the draws come out. Yeah, I

1027
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: can almost tell when the draws come out because somebody

1028
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: will say, hey, will you modify me a tube from

1029
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: moose call, and so we just cut rather than the

1030
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: back pressure on the end of these larger tubes. Will

1031
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: just cut him at that first, so you don't get

1032
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: any back pressure, but you still need to be able

1033
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: to beat brush with it. That's why it's nice to

1034
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: have a pretty heavy duty we yeah, we just cut

1035
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: him at the knuckle, um, and we don't we don't

1036
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: mark at them, but we will make him for people.

1037
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: What makes this Bagle two different than just going and

1038
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: buying a whiffleball bat and cutting the ends off in

1039
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: blowing through you know that whiffball bat. I'm gonna let

1040
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: Dirk go ahead, since so we started out with with

1041
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: whiffle ball bats, right, And like Phelps game calls used

1042
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: to sell, used to buy unbadged fat bats, you know

1043
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: the little kids fat Yeah, I would buy them. I

1044
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: would say, Hey, they had a mold that didn't have

1045
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: the fat bat logo in them, send me those ones,

1046
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: and I would sit and modify fat bats for days

1047
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: in my shop. Heat them up and putting a little lip.

1048
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: I had a big industrial ad that would put like

1049
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: a hole saw on poke the holes in the end,

1050
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: you know, sit there and run them through and cut

1051
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: the ends off, burn them, smooth them over, um modify those.

1052
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: And so when I was told that fat bat was

1053
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: no longer making or that mold was basically done, it

1054
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 1: was no good anymore. It was kind of a blessing

1055
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: in disguise for me as a company, because I'm like,

1056
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: all right, now, I've gotta go get my own mold made.

1057
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: And at that time, I'm like, let's take everything we

1058
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: we like about the bat and include it, but let's

1059
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: take everything we want to add to it at this

1060
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: point um and added in. So yeah, and the thing

1061
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: is the trouble with those bats, you don't get the

1062
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: right back pressure, and back pressure equals like good note articulation.

1063
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: So if you struggle hitting those high notes when you're

1064
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: bugling um and you know, getting those like hit that

1065
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: staircase of notes, uh, you would struggle with one of

1066
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: those old bats. But with these new engineered um bugle tubes.

1067
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: Jason went through a lot of trial and error with

1068
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: what's that computer program that you did I'm a I'm

1069
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: a nerd. I'm gonna let everbody know I'm a nerd.

1070
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: So I went and got charts over like you know,

1071
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: mail mail long capacity at different ages. And so there's

1072
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: a there's a program. I'm gonna let all my competitors

1073
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: if if they're listening, we don't have to. There's a

1074
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: there's a program called solid works, which is basically a

1075
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: mechanical engineering program. I could build this bat, say let's

1076
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: send a thirty year old males volume to this What

1077
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: back pressure do we get? You know, based on the

1078
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: inside hole. And so I could sit here as a

1079
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: nerd and say, all right, we want to change the shape.

1080
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: And I added corrugations because we didn't want all that

1081
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: air just flowing down the sides of that tube. So

1082
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: you can feel that we added corregations. We wanted to

1083
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: disrupt that air and get some reaver back in the tube.

1084
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of stuf if we did that

1085
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: was based on something, you know, explain the back pressure

1086
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: just a little bit more. So, Let's say you see

1087
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: how big this tube is. For everybody that can't see,

1088
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: we have a four inch diameter, big, big tube. It

1089
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: looks like a kid's who football back. Yeah, I could

1090
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: knock your honest out, Yeah, twenty four in long whiffleball,

1091
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: no problem. Or you can take let's say, like a

1092
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: one inch piece of PVC. Like just fundamentally you're thinking like, well,

1093
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: that one inch PVC doesn't take near as much air,

1094
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: right because it's so so much smaller. But the way

1095
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: that works is it actually takes more air to run

1096
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: a diaphragm through that one inch PBC because your air

1097
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: is just straight flowing through it. Whereas when you fill

1098
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: this I kind of imagine you fill this tube up

1099
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: with that initial amount of air and then the cup

1100
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: at the end actually kind of just backs the air

1101
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: down the tube, down the tube all the way to

1102
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: where your diaphragms at, and so you can kind of

1103
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: relax a little bit. You don't have to just run,

1104
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred percent max air through that too,

1105
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: because the way we've cut the end and designed that

1106
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: whole size, it kind of lets you relax in there.

1107
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: Like fifty I'm just gonna throw crazy numbers out the

1108
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: um air, so saying you're still getting the same volume

1109
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: and energy, you're just using that tube to basically assist

1110
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: you on running that diaphragm. Rip a couple of big bugles.

1111
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: You guys, what's really crazy? Like if it's called out

1112
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: and you're out, you just rip one big old bugle

1113
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: and you just slight. As soon as you just slightly

1114
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: take your tube away from your lips, you can feel

1115
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: air come rush back onto your lips a little bit.

1116
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: You can feel that backflow, that back pressure flow onto

1117
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: your lips. It's weird interesting. So I'll rip one first. Sorry, Jason, Yeah,

1118
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: just oh you got your own? Who is this? That's fine,

1119
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: you can use it. I guess you're fired up. Gives

1120
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: me a little run. You're picking that up? Phil? Oh, yeah,

1121
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: behind your little curtain over there. Pretty much of everybody listening.

1122
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: That was a blue call and a red call. So

1123
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: if you want to sound like that, you gotta buy

1124
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: the blue call. This was like a batch I just

1125
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: made for the World Calling Championship. Scratch scratch at Kyl said,

1126
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: I was blown on a pink call. What we just

1127
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: got back last weekend from the World Out Calling Championships

1128
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: in Park City, Utah? So what goes on at that? So?

1129
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: I noticed someone asked about that. You see how good

1130
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: hosting that was? Honest? I was gonna mention it. You're

1131
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna point out the hosting skills. Uh yeah,

1132
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: what goes out to the world alcohol get up on

1133
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: stage and called the seven judges behind the screen like

1134
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: Phil is right now? Yeah, yeah, Phil wouldn't know, so

1135
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have known who Dirk or I was right there,

1136
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: and he would he would try to tell you who

1137
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: he thought was better, the first caller calling him so,

1138
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: and you guys are competing, Yeah, we were not judging.

1139
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: But Dirk, Dirk absolutely hates the fact, and he doesn't

1140
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: want me to ever reference it. But you're six time

1141
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: world champion. I don't know. He hates he hates that fact.

1142
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: He hates to use it for anything because you don't

1143
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: you don't like sound like a blow hard. He'd rather

1144
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: like take pictures in September behind the dead bull is

1145
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: his his prize. But but you okay, so yeah, I've

1146
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: won it several times in the men's division, right, the

1147
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: men's four years ago, Damien had all the call offs

1148
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: three ago, four years ago, four years ago, I won

1149
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: first yea And where do you win when you win

1150
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: cash prizes and then you win a bunch of cool

1151
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: crap you know, rifle scopes and bows and rifles and

1152
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: just depends on the package they put together for the year.

1153
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: But I've won rifles before, and um, we can't want to.

1154
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever wont to bow. But how

1155
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: many times did you win the World Championship? Like six times? Seriously? Yeah,

1156
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: but I lost a lot more more times than I've

1157
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: ever won it. I mean I've started competing in nineties six,

1158
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: I think, are you feeling me in forty five? I

1159
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: hate it? Yeah, I got a weird Uh, I got

1160
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: weird aches and pains. Yeah. One War one is right

1161
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: now and there. I would never have to a guy

1162
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: like Seth. Huh, Like it's like a something weird pinch

1163
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: nerve in there because I'm doing the armstrong pull up regimen.

1164
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: It's getting painful. Are you Are you keeping up with

1165
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: the pushups? I haven't doing that part of it. I

1166
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: gotta barn my house and I hung two at work.

1167
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: I hit that one up upstairs yesterday. You know, sure

1168
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: the production team really likes your placement. Oh, is there

1169
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: a problem with the placement? No? You know one of

1170
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: our colleagues thought that me and Seth hung it up

1171
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: to hang beavers. From which I'm like, what the hell

1172
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: kind of beavers you think we're I think it's a

1173
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: fair question. Yeah, we've been flashing beaver hides in the

1174
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: morning a little bit. We've got a few of them done. Yeah,

1175
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: someone thoughtles for beaver hanging, like how the people gonna

1176
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: get through here when you hang beavers from that? It's

1177
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: just a pull up bar. But yeah, I don't know. Man,

1178
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 1: So you'd like being forty five, you think it's it's hard.

1179
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: It sucks, you know, you just just you can't build

1180
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: muscle mass like you could before. It's hard to get

1181
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: back into shape. I mean a guys should probably stay

1182
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: in shape year around, but rounds of shape too, and

1183
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: I kind of tend to go that way in the wintertime.

1184
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: But h man, I wish I knew back when I

1185
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: was in my twenties what I know now and have,

1186
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: like the gear, the quality calls and the gear and

1187
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: stuff that had back when I was twenty. I wish

1188
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: I had him back then. Man Idaho had tons of

1189
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: beautiful elk back then, not not not so much anymore.

1190
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: It would have been it would have been awesome, but hindsight,

1191
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: so I'll tell my brother the other day man. I

1192
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: was like, dude, we live through the good old days. Man. Yeah,

1193
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I get older every year and it

1194
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: seems like the hunts I go on are harder and

1195
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: harder every year. Like not just because my age, but

1196
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: we were going to like some nasty, nasty places before

1197
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: we kill elk in a lot easier places, and now

1198
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: it's just like to to get them consistently. We're going

1199
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: to some stupid places. And I'm like, I thought when

1200
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: you got old, you kind of got to go back

1201
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: to the easy stuff again. And I'm like, when is

1202
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: that going to happen? So, yeah, well I think a

1203
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: lot of guys get old and with age comes like

1204
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: you get become more financially secure, and so you just

1205
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: start hunting private land. I don't think I can do that,

1206
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: which just I mean, it's a thing that happens, right

1207
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: because you're like, you know, we'd be like, I think

1208
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: nothing that we'd walk nine miles and carry a cow

1209
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: out right, you know, and you don't like you don't

1210
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: run into a lot of seven year old dudes doing that. Now.

1211
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying to figure out how much

1212
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: longer I mean I got I'm playing on having a

1213
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: lot more left in me. But if I live, if

1214
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: I live all the years I've been alive over again,

1215
01:02:54,400 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: I'll be dead, right, Yeah, and that I don't like

1216
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: the feeling. Yeah, I got a buddy. His dad's pushing seventy,

1217
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: so he'd be a hundred forty. Yeah. He's a tough

1218
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: old bird. I mean, that guy hunts some nasty Idaho

1219
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: back country, very few elk, lots of wolves, you know,

1220
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: and they consistently killed bowls, you know. But he's just

1221
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: a tough old guy. And he's had any surgeries and

1222
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: back surgeries and everything, but he just he's just like,

1223
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this until I can't possibly walk up

1224
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: the trail anymore. When I meet if I meet a guy,

1225
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: like when I meet an older feller and he can

1226
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: form a pretty good sentence and still does a lot

1227
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: of hunting, and was like, how old you? And if

1228
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: he says like sixty five, like sweet year, twenty more years?

1229
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: You know how old you? Now? Seth, I'm gonna in August,

1230
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: My goodness, I'm oldost to be your daddy. Not quite.

1231
01:03:54,160 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: It's sure, yeah, like physiologically sure it is possible, but

1232
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,439
Speaker 1: in our generation, not well that's not true. I guess

1233
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: there were a few dudes that made babies that early,

1234
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: but not most people were. I mean, but I remember

1235
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: by the time I finished high school. Remember four girls

1236
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: would when I was finishing high school, there were four

1237
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: girls that would their moms that bring their babies down

1238
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: to show them off at the end of school, at

1239
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: the end of the school day. Yeah, there's a lot

1240
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: of the attrition too from drinking and driving. Oh yeah, yeah, sure, yeah.

1241
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: I think that's changed a little bit too now, I

1242
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: mean within your high school. This has nothing to do

1243
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: with kids from high school getting killed off from drinking,

1244
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: from just vehicle accidents, drinking and driving whatnot. Anyhow, what's

1245
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: the next one you got? Johnnie? Were straight a little bit.

1246
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: Let's get into some tactics. Let's there's anything else you

1247
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: guys want to say about the the immediately quickly transit.

1248
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: You touched on birth, new life, just briefly before you

1249
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: got into just death. That's called premier hosting. I don't

1250
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 1: want to leave everyone on a negative note. I talk

1251
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: about young people having babies. Jason, can you overcall an elk?

1252
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: And how do you know if you've done it? That's

1253
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: a good one. Everybody says, don't call it too much.

1254
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna break I'm gonna break this down in

1255
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: two segments, like location. I don't think you can overlocate

1256
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: like the things you're either going to answer you or

1257
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: it's not like I can locate through another locator, like

1258
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: they're elk down there, down there. I think when you

1259
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: move in close and you know, you get set up

1260
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: and try to call this bull, and I think you

1261
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: can overcall um. You know, sometimes they're you know, playing

1262
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: the game. They're wanting you to respond, or they're wanting

1263
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: to respond, or they're moving in close, and that bull

1264
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: I think silent sometimes is your best key. You let

1265
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: him know I'm within a hundred yards of you, and

1266
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: that thing gets, you know, somewhat curious to come find you.

1267
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: Versus if you keep hammering or to keep calling, you're

1268
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: gonna that bull is just gonna potentially take his cows

1269
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: and go away. What do you think he's thinking when

1270
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: you overcall? Is he thinking that's a mug or is

1271
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: he thinking that this is some crazy elk that I

1272
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: don't feel like dealing with. I think he just doesn't

1273
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: want to lose his cows, This crazy bull that's down

1274
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: there calling. I think that's more of his you know,

1275
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna grab his cows and try to get

1276
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: out of here. If you're just gonna sit in that

1277
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: one spot, um, you know, something out of the out

1278
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: of the box stuff. I know you hunt out of

1279
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: the box as well, Derek sometimes, but you like just

1280
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: bueling as you walk towards the bull. Yeah, you risk

1281
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: me out of the box. So not just I mean

1282
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: we do all these seminars and stuff like, oh, you

1283
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: set up seven yards away, so I'm just I'm just

1284
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: gonna be biggle and keep walking at you, you know,

1285
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: and some of this stuff and that bowls like, well,

1286
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: now he's coming, I'm gonna have to go deal with him.

1287
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: Versus if I sat at a hundred twenty yards biggle

1288
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: bigle bagles, he's like, well, I'm just gonna grab my

1289
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: cows and get out of here. That thinks not coming

1290
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: any closer. Versus, if you were to bagle that same

1291
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: amount but start walking towards him, it could be a

1292
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: completely different situation because now he has no other chance

1293
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: choice but to deal with you. Um. So yeah, I

1294
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: think you can definitely overcall elk Um. Typically I think

1295
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: at the point I know what were called elk is

1296
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: when his next bugles hundred fifty yards and then he's

1297
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: two hundred yards and um, you know, typically then we'll

1298
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: have to reset up, move closer, and then try to

1299
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: do it again. Do you when you're calling to an

1300
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: elk and all of a sudden he splits, do you

1301
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: feel it as possible to say he splits because he

1302
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: still thinks I'm an elk, but he's grabbing his cows

1303
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: and going, Or he splits because he's just suspicious. No,

1304
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: I think I think you um could definitely stay with him.

1305
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: He just doesn't want to lose his cows. So there's

1306
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: been many times where we've called bulls and on the fourth, fifth,

1307
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: sixth set up where we're just kind of shadowing him,

1308
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: trying to get closer and closer and push his buttons,

1309
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he's like, Okay, now I'll

1310
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: finally turn. Yeah. I feel like sometimes too, he'll get

1311
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: those stalemates and those bulls will want you to show yourself.

1312
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: They're like, all right, I've came all this far, It's

1313
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: time for you to come my way a bit. Because

1314
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't when he doesn't want to get shot and killed. Well,

1315
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: if he believe in the calls, though, he thinks you're

1316
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: a bull and if and if you watch a lot

1317
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: of elk behavior, they kind of they kind of like

1318
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: to check each other out a little bit. Maybe kind

1319
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: of they do that little walk thing by each other

1320
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: and kind of show each other off. And it's like,

1321
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want a fighter. I do,

1322
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: And then they decide to fight, and I think, um,

1323
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: they want that leap of faith. It's like, all right,

1324
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 1: I've came this far. You gotta give me something, show

1325
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: yourself or come closer. Um. And sometimes if if you

1326
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: don't show yourself and you've had a stalemate, let's say

1327
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: that bulls fifty yards, you can't see him in this

1328
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: kind of thick timber or something, and then they sometimes

1329
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: just kind of move off. I think he thinks you're

1330
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: a coward at that points, like you talk pretty tough,

1331
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 1: but you never really showed yourself. So usually if they're

1332
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: trying to leave, I'm running at him. I'm taking off

1333
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: after him. I rip a big nasty challenge bogle, and

1334
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: I'm I'm running towards them to say, hey, where the

1335
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: heck you going? Man? Come back. I want to fight,

1336
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: and I've done this a lot, and that's like, that's

1337
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: like having a really good understanding of his temperament. Man, Yeah,

1338
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: it's cool. I kind of go all in on onto

1339
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: those deals. It's like every time might play play the

1340
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: the Elk game, you know, back and forth, biggling with

1341
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: this bowl, It's like, I'm going all in this is

1342
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: this is a one shot deal. I'm probably not going

1343
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: to come back to him and it come you know,

1344
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: just kind of tiptoe around the edges and then maybe

1345
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: have something happen and if it don't work I'll come

1346
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: back in a day or two and try him again.

1347
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna go in there, and because what do

1348
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: we elk do? They Usually they go back and forth,

1349
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: they come together, they fight, they figure it out, and

1350
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: then they go their separate way. So I'm gonna go

1351
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: up there, get get in his face and try to

1352
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: push him, trying to make him mad, appeal to his anger,

1353
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 1: make him make a mistake where he finally just says,

1354
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: heck with, I'm so mad at you. I'm not gonna

1355
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: pay attention to wind. I'm just gonna come in a

1356
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: straight line to come right to you. So well, I

1357
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 1: guess he's I'm trying to ask. I'm not asking it clearly.

1358
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: I like a thing that's rolling around in my head though,

1359
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: is spooking him meaning revealing to him that you are

1360
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: not in fact and elk? Yeah? Yeah, how much? By calling?

1361
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: By calling, by running at him, by potentially And so

1362
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: it's like, I think that that one of the ways

1363
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: it prevents people from getting super aggressive or running after

1364
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: an ELK or doing these different things is because you're

1365
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: not trying to reveal your hand. So is that obviously

1366
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 1: that's floating around in the back of your head too, right, Yeah,

1367
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: it's like the last ditch offer. I always believe in

1368
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: my calling all the way to to the end. He's

1369
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: never gonna spook away from the calling, but he's spook

1370
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: away if he sees me. So you don't think that, Like,

1371
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: if you're a passible caller, you think that even if

1372
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: he leaves and it takes off, you don't you don't

1373
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: think that that elk, that that bowl is like, I

1374
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: don't buy it. I think that's a person because he's

1375
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: doing weird stuff. Maybe if you're hunting in an area

1376
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: where there's he's had a lot of human contact where

1377
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: he's been messed with before, maybe spooked around, but sended

1378
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 1: some guy after he's been bugling. I always wonder do

1379
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 1: they even know, Like I'm over here bugling and then

1380
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 1: let's say the wind changes and he sends me and

1381
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: takes off. Does he think that's a dude over there

1382
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: buglan or is that an elk? And then some guy

1383
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: snuck up here and I smelled a human. I mean,

1384
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't always wonder what he's gotten going on in

1385
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: his head. We were one time bear hunting and we

1386
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: hung our food up in a tree, and we came

1387
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: back and there was a pine squirrel eating a block

1388
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: of cheddar, and then we ran after it, screaming to

1389
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 1: get our cheddar back. And I always wondered if he

1390
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 1: thought this is the weirdest day he'd ever experienced, like

1391
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: one that you found a block of chatter and then

1392
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: to some dudes showed up, or if he put together

1393
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: like that was your cheddar, that I found these guys

1394
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: chatter and they showed up, like when he recounts that

1395
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: to his friends, Or maybe he thought he like a

1396
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: man when it rains it storms, because then he thought

1397
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: you wanted to steal his cheddar. Oh yeah, he's like,

1398
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, strange thing. I found some cheddar and then

1399
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: some people can even stole my cheddar. Yeah. I never

1400
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: thought that's a good point. The elks, Like, no, there

1401
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: was a elk he was bugling, but then some guy

1402
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: showed up and I ran off right, which there's been

1403
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: times where they've winded me or us, and in a

1404
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: little while later we kind of took back in with

1405
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: our bugling match, you know, back and forth. And I

1406
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: don't know if that elk was just super dumb and

1407
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: not used to smelling people, or if he actually thought, well,

1408
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: that's that bowl and that dude's probably gone now. I

1409
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 1: don't know. But most of the time, when they smell you,

1410
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: it's it's a game over. It's it's over. But there's

1411
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: been a couple of times it's like, wow, why did

1412
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: this work this time? I mean, if you spooking elk,

1413
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: how long do you wait? Like let's say you knew

1414
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: you got a elk in a basin and he's kind

1415
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: of hanging around there, and you're going and you bump

1416
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: them because you blow them out, and then all of

1417
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, the next day he's bugling back in there again.

1418
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: Are you Like, Man, I'm gonna wait three days until

1419
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: he totally forgets. I'll give him a couple of days.

1420
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm going that next day public Land. Man, it's tough

1421
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: because you don't have it to yourself. But I've done that,

1422
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: waited the two or three days and have some other

1423
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: guy walking there and kill him. So maybe you should

1424
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: go in the next day. So you know, there's all

1425
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 1: these areas, right, it's like, oh, yeah, you can't bugle

1426
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: like you will not you can't call elk here right.

1427
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: Growing up in Montana, Missouri, Breakes is like, oh, lots

1428
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: of bulls in the brakes, big bulls, but you can't

1429
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: call elk. And then going down and working in New Mexico,

1430
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: same deal, like, oh yeah, you just can't call these

1431
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: bulls in you know they're educated. In Arizona too, it's like, oh,

1432
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: you can't call in big bulls because you're saying because

1433
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: they're educated. My impression was always like I cannot call

1434
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: in a bowl, which means nobody else can call me

1435
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: like they hear because you hear that too, Like they

1436
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,480
Speaker 1: hear a call and they go the other direction, yes, exactly,

1437
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: or these bulls know each other so well. That any

1438
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: new bugle is just like an alarm. I don't buy it. Yeah,

1439
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: I've talked to some guy, you know, even the even

1440
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: the you know, the big outfitters and stuff. Oh you

1441
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: can only cal called our bulls down here in Arizona

1442
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I've talked to some new buddies, like

1443
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: I would love to see you guys come down here

1444
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: and hunt your style. Like everybody tells you guys you can't.

1445
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 1: But He's like, you guys would come down here and

1446
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: run through this place and have a good time. I

1447
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: just want, I just want the challenge of you know,

1448
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: going to I want to New Mexico and the same thing.

1449
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: You can't call these bulls. They come to water, they

1450
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: go bed, that's their life. And we had I mean

1451
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: we called in, you know, two or three bulls every morning,

1452
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, bulls every night. It was just incredible. And

1453
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't believe any of that stuff. Um, I just

1454
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't. I think those guys just hunt different, like

1455
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 1: it's a different different mindset or people here it and

1456
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: they get down there and get scared to do it

1457
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: they would do up here, And I just want to

1458
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: go down there and rip out him. And it worked

1459
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: in New Mexico where I hunted. I got a buddy

1460
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: that he was told, oh, yeah, you can't bugle bulls

1461
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: in Arizona, and that he's had two Arizona tags and

1462
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 1: both times he said, we we called bulls in all

1463
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: day long, every day. They were just they come screaming

1464
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: in like nowhere else. I don't know what people are thinking.

1465
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: So part of the head game no different than fishing.

1466
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: I think, you know, calling out in really open country though,

1467
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: is difficult. You know, it's more of a you gotta

1468
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: be a lot, use a lot of strategy before you

1469
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: can't just go I can see help three hundred yards

1470
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: will and blow your bugle and they're probably not gonna

1471
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: just come running to you. I mean because because they

1472
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: want to see it, they want that visual. Yeah, yeah,

1473
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: I think you need to get in tight, use some

1474
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: terrain features, be like you know, shadow the herd, use

1475
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: some train features to where you get close like they're

1476
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: just on the back side of a little ridge or

1477
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: a coolie or something. And then you do some calls

1478
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: and then wait for them to have to come up

1479
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: to investigate, and then be possession to where you can

1480
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: make that shot. But you just can't bugle from three

1481
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: hundred yards away. That's like calling too much. You're standing

1482
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: at a burn bull stand over their bugle at you,

1483
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: and you're kind of pinned down. You don't you can't

1484
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: just continue making calls because they're looking. They might not

1485
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 1: see you, but like, there's no welk over here. They

1486
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: know exactly where you're at. I'm gonna bugle a couple

1487
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: more times and see if there's any elk there, But

1488
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: then they're like, there's nothing there, and then they then

1489
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: they kind of take off and then they make It

1490
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: makes them pretty tough to call at that point because

1491
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: then they're just suspicious. Yeah, they're just like and I

1492
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: don't I don't buy that. I like that what you're

1493
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: saying about getting in their zone, you know. Um, what

1494
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: I always like about it. And this same thing with

1495
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: turkeys or whatever is uh, when it's far away, it's

1496
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: like you don't really know what their response is. But

1497
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 1: the when you get close to something and called to it,

1498
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: you kind of quickly like find out this is a

1499
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: this is this a thing or not? You know what

1500
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean? It always feels good. We're hunting in Kentucky

1501
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: and had an elk tag in Kentucky. And yeah, we're

1502
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: just saying eating lunch, weren't we And you're honest, ripped

1503
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: a bugle and I mean this bullet walked up because

1504
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: he couldn't have taken three steps. But it was like

1505
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: we're just having a bugle right on top of him,

1506
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: like up out of his bed. Oh right right right,

1507
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: come ore with check us out. Because he's like, dude,

1508
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: that think is right on top of me. Man, you know,

1509
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 1: and he like had to deal with it. You know,

1510
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: you had to pay attention to it. And that's that's

1511
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean, at least our strategy hunting with Dirk. You know,

1512
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: we're just we're trying to create that threat. Get sixty

1513
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: seven yards. Yeah, it doesn't sound like you're calling that bulling.

1514
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's not as cool to call him in

1515
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: from a mile away. But um, part of our strategies

1516
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 1: to get like in their lap and forced them to

1517
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: come deal with us. Um, they're pretty territorial. You know,

1518
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 1: let's say they don't have cows. There's that transition phase

1519
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: of the route where the bulls haven't left their little

1520
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: little bull bedrooms throughout the drainage. They've got their little

1521
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: their little home and you go from the top of

1522
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 1: the drainage. They won't answer. You get down in, you

1523
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: start dissecting that drainage. You go start hiking and through

1524
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: the bedroom betting areas of those things. You get within

1525
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: a hundred two hundred yards of them, you'll get a

1526
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: reply and they're not happy that you're there. It's like,

1527
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 1: hey man, this is my spot. And a lot of times, um,

1528
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: they'll get pretty aggressive and come in after just a

1529
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: little bit of calling. But the consequence of hunting a

1530
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: betting area, you screwed up. They're they're gone. So I

1531
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: think what everybody wants to know is what works one

1532
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: percent of the time. Oh no, he told it. I

1533
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 1: put this to him before kind of and uh. He

1534
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: described the situation in a He described a situation which

1535
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: he would be surprised to not be able to move

1536
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: that bull in his direction. You did say it works.

1537
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: That was that was more of your like a scenario. Yeah,

1538
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 1: it was like, it wasn't your mature herd bowls. It

1539
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: was a semimature satellite bowl that's off by his own

1540
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: feeding by himself during the middle of the Yet I

1541
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: would be sure I call that bolling. Yeah, I like

1542
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: that if I can find him if I can find

1543
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: him feeding on a pretty grass slope all by himself

1544
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: during the middle of the right when we let him

1545
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: pick he could be above it, below it, what it

1546
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: was doing, who it was with the whole situation. And

1547
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: he was saying that he yeah, he was. I could

1548
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: move that bowl. If I could find that unicorn, I'll

1549
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: bet on myself. But when Dirk was like, well, you know,

1550
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: you're just not going to make like these big, clear,

1551
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: articulate sounds, and I was thinking to myself, well, that's

1552
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: not the ball I'm looking for. Somebody is much less articulate,

1553
01:18:54,920 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: like quite know what's going on. Um, you guys sound

1554
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: like your bugle a lot more than your cal call,

1555
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: because Derek, you sound like every call you've made so

1556
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: far describing these scenarios is all bugle, and speak to

1557
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: that a little. But so I wanna I wanna appeal

1558
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: to that bulls uh instincts to fight rather than to breed,

1559
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, And there's a hundred different

1560
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: ways to skin a cat. And there's probably guys that

1561
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 1: have cow called in twice as many elk and kill

1562
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: twice as many elk. Is me just with cal calls.

1563
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: But my experience was just cal calling in ELK. A

1564
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: lot of times they'll come in very meticulous, very slow,

1565
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 1: very cautiously. They'll come in down wind, you know that.

1566
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: I think the number one they're looking for a maybe

1567
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 1: to see if check to see if that cow is

1568
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: even in heat. They want to hear, they want to

1569
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: smell her, and then they want to see if there's

1570
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: another bull there. Maybe there's another bowl just kind of

1571
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: laying low, and he doesn't want to just come up

1572
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: there and then hey maybe and then yeah, to get

1573
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: his ass kicked on the deal so um, and then

1574
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: maybe he's had, you know, because a lot of guys

1575
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 1: that that's their jam. They want to they want a

1576
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: cal call at the time. Maybe he's had some bad

1577
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: encounters with cow calls to where he's like, I remember

1578
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: one time I was up here and I've seen a

1579
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: dude that was making that noise or something. So they

1580
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: came in a little more cautiously. Whereas when you can

1581
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: appeal to their instinct to fight, they get they get mad,

1582
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 1: and sometimes you can get them worked up enough they

1583
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 1: they forget about. When they forget about, all they want

1584
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: to do is come to you and kill you or

1585
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: run you off, and and you're more likely to do

1586
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 1: that by bugling. Now that being said, I will do

1587
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: some cow calls just to say, hey, there's something worth

1588
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: fighting for over here. You know, if when he bugles,

1589
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 1: I might give him like some very interested like hey,

1590
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 1: I like the sound of you man, come over here.

1591
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: So here's your basic cow calls. When that bowls bugling,

1592
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 1: I ramp it up, show some emotion like oh hey there,

1593
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: come over. Yeah, kind of put a little bit of

1594
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: yearning type of a twist it. But but I won't

1595
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 1: overdo it. I'll give two or three of those, and

1596
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: then I'll hit him with a bugle and every time

1597
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 1: but I'll wait so so yeah, and then she's saying like, yeah,

1598
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm over here with the bull, but I don't like him.

1599
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: I wish you'd come over here, right right, So I

1600
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: I let I get the bold of bugle with the

1601
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 1: cow call. He'll bugle at the cow call, and then

1602
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: I say with my bugle, I say, hey, don't don't

1603
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 1: talk to my girls. You shut up. And then it's

1604
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: like you're like telling him no. Well, he's thinking there

1605
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 1: must be a reason he's wanting to fight for these girls,

1606
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: and Also, I think it's just the whole You're putting

1607
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: the ball in their court. They're gonna have to do

1608
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: something so and you kind of you just kind of

1609
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: let it escalate a bit. It's not like you go

1610
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: for a third page, third base right right on from

1611
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: night gets in the car. You don't fringure, right, Uh.

1612
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 1: You want to let that that temperature build a little,

1613
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: little by little, and you'll know because you'll hear his voice,

1614
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 1: the other bull's voice, and you'll hear the anger, and

1615
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 1: pretty soon he'll make a he'll make a bugle that

1616
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: there's no mistake. He's he's piste and he wants to fight,

1617
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: and that's when you need to ramp it up. You

1618
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: feel like you can detect that in his bugle. Oh yeah, yeah,

1619
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 1: there have to be relative. Does it has to be

1620
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: relative to his other bugles? Or can you hear a

1621
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: single bugle and be like, I feel that that bull

1622
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 1: is pissed, because it has to be like he's more

1623
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: pisted now than he was earlier. There's a turning point. Yeah,

1624
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 1: He'll be giving you this normal bugles and then all

1625
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden you'll hear the emotion in it and

1626
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: you'll be like, whoa, he's coming. He's gonna come. And

1627
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: shortly after that you'll start hear brush popping. But when

1628
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: he does that, he gives you that that bugle. I

1629
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: just hammer take, I cut. I try to cut him

1630
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: off before he's done bugling a hammering, but it's just

1631
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: the meanest one. Just give it right back to him.

1632
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: And a lot of times that that's when he's gonna

1633
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 1: start coming. A lot of times after that, I'll just

1634
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 1: kind of if I know he's coming, I'll shut up.

1635
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: That's when I clam up, be quiet. It's it's time

1636
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: to time to come find me, So I'll just be quiet.

1637
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 1: But how okay, how about if you just trying to

1638
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: kill any bowl? That's any bowl? But why is that bolt?

1639
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: Why would some little shaver if you're in there just

1640
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: like bell earn and squaloring and cutting them off, and

1641
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: like why would some little shaver ever dare come into

1642
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: forty yards? Wow, there's there's some short dudes at walk around.

1643
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 1: I think they're pretty tough. You know, they'll pick a

1644
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: fight with the biggest guy in the bar. Right, So

1645
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 1: there's some little some young bulls that think they're pretty

1646
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: tough and curiosity, I mean, I've killed the world's like

1647
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: smallest rafter full of like baby rag horns, and I

1648
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: use the same strategy. I'm going to kill that herd bowl.

1649
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: But all these satellite bowls are still with the herd.

1650
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: So a lot of times they'll just come wandering in.

1651
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 1: They might give you some little halfhearted bagles, um, but

1652
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: I'll still kill that, you know, small satellite bowls by

1653
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: by the same exact tactics that I thought I was

1654
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: supposed to use to kill the herd bowl um. And

1655
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 1: then to reiterate on Dirk. So I don't think cow

1656
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: Call's work is good. We're kind of reversing nature at

1657
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: that point. That bowls got hit for sure thing, like

1658
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: I've got ten ladies, I'm good. He's got satellite bowls

1659
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: around him. Most likely he doesn't want to leave those

1660
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: ten for sure things to come get this one mystical

1661
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: lady out on the side. Until you add that bowl in,

1662
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: you then just kind of turn change the game at

1663
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: that point. So he so he when he beagles, he's like, well,

1664
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: this this new lady should just come over and join us.

1665
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 1: We should be good. He's not gonna necessarily leave, you know,

1666
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 1: come a hundred hundred fifty yards leave all those cows

1667
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: with some of these other you know, satellite bowls have

1668
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: been pestering him all day to come investigate. He you know,

1669
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: nature expects that cow to go to him. When you

1670
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 1: win that ALCOHOLM championship, they ever give you big belt buckle, No, dude,

1671
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: that'd be sweet man, I'm called. It's kind of lean on,

1672
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, it looks like a pipe late.

1673
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: They don't get they don't hand out, they don't, they don't.

1674
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: You know. I think one year they did give those out,

1675
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: but of course I didn't win that year. You know,

1676
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: that was like the one cool thing they gave away.

1677
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: But Yanni, Yanni's being all modest. He's not like a

1678
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 1: six time world champion, but he's a good elk caller.

1679
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: He might not be an elk competition winner, but he's

1680
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: he's a good elk caller. That's all that matters. And

1681
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 1: if Yannie likes to do I curiously, what do you

1682
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: guys think about this? He gets in there, he takes

1683
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 1: his jacket off, puts his gloves on, and he sets

1684
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 1: to whooping on brush and rolling rocks and whatnot. Sometimes

1685
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: you guys big into that stickture is important as the

1686
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: calls are you if you saw him from far off

1687
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 1: to a spot and scope, you think you were looking

1688
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: at you like a certifiably insane person running around in

1689
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 1: circles and figure eights and busting trees, drawing rocks, and yeah,

1690
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: he gets ready, takes his hat off. A guy I

1691
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 1: was wondering how big of a branch or log should

1692
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 1: he use when he's thrashing brush us, Like he thought,

1693
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 1: we're talking to something you'd bring home and cut off

1694
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 1: for stove wood. Yeah, you had to split it before

1695
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 1: you burned it. But sometimes if I can get just

1696
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: the right one, it's probably like, don't know, maybe six

1697
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: inches diameter in the middle of when I'm holding it,

1698
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: and it's long, it's like eight to ten ft on

1699
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 1: both sides of me. I can be getting two pieces

1700
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: of brush at the same time. I remember once getting

1701
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: caught by a bowl. I was sitting there doing that,

1702
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: holding this giant log. I look over and there's a

1703
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 1: five point standing there looking at me, like, how come

1704
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: my guys not shooting you right now? Yeah? He and

1705
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: this is anecdotal, uh, but he's in there doing all

1706
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 1: this and carrying on. And we had a bull kept

1707
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: bumping into us, bumping into me and trying to get

1708
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: around me to get to Janice. He's like, there's that

1709
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: damn guy again. Let you try another approach to go

1710
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,560
Speaker 1: find out what's going on there? What's going on? That

1711
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 1: young curious bowl right just is like, man, there's something

1712
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: going on over there. And yeah, I think I think

1713
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: it's the biggest branch. I can find this close and

1714
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 1: go at it. How do you know when to do that?

1715
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: Lot of times I wait till a lot of times

1716
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: they'll be that stalemate I talk about. They'll get to

1717
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: fifty yards and don't want to come in, but they'll

1718
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 1: start raking their antlers on a tree of their own.

1719
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: So I'll take into racing as well. And then usually

1720
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: what happens, they'll stop and they'll bugle, and when they

1721
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: stop in bugle A lot of times I'll cut them

1722
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 1: off and then we'll we'll go both go back to racing.

1723
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 1: And this may take four or five sessions of this

1724
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 1: back and fourth raking and then bugling, and then I'll

1725
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 1: cut them off. But eventually they get pretty worked up.

1726
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 1: You know, they're getting there. It's like I'm getting I

1727
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 1: feel pretty tough, right, now they're they're raking and then

1728
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: you're making a mad you're talking smack every time he

1729
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 1: opens his mouth. Pretty soon they're coming. Yeah. Do you

1730
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: guys ever do any like pants or like moan in

1731
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: the into the tube? Just guys don't wear pants. Yeah,

1732
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: we'll do We'll do all the sounds. I don't do

1733
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: any glunking, you know, any of that, but we'll do

1734
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: nonker is he as it worked, it's part of the rappers.

1735
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Now we moan, growl, you do all

1736
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 1: of that. Show people some moaning and growling. I'll do

1737
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: some some of the lunks to. I don't know that

1738
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: it with the tube. Yeah, I don't know that it works.

1739
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't. Yeah, so I used you. I can do

1740
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: you get up by your deal there, I just tap

1741
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:30,560
Speaker 1: on it. So he's just tapping. He's just got his

1742
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: beautile tube and he's just tapping the mouth piece. You

1743
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 1: can do the same thing by making You can do

1744
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: the same thing by making suction on the top of

1745
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 1: your mouth and basically sucking in at the same time.

1746
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: But in my opinion, I can't do it real well.

1747
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: Um so I don't glunk with my mouth. But why

1748
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 1: the bowls. Glunk, Why don't you glunk? It's usually I

1749
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 1: mean at the time you can hear the glunk, you're

1750
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 1: within that six year eight yard window and I'm doing

1751
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 1: other things. I'm trying to get my my release, you know,

1752
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 1: everything knocked up everybody, and then I can still make

1753
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm not having to like tap a tube make a

1754
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 1: bunch of movement because you're saying, are you here, It's

1755
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: like hearing a turkey girl, it's about ready to do Yeah.

1756
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: It's there are guys in the world calling championships that

1757
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 1: are glunking with their mouth real well, not real well. No,

1758
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: the kid in the youth division this year it was

1759
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 1: the best. And it's to the point now where there's

1760
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say there's not a lot of skill, but

1761
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: I think even some of our judges don't even know

1762
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 1: what they're listening to um and so it's it's pretty

1763
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: risky to go up there and use some of your

1764
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 1: time because they're doing like celebrity judges. They're not doing

1765
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: like judge judges and doing celebrity It's it's all basically

1766
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 1: the majority of them were all like Utah outfitters and

1767
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 1: guides and stuff. The judges also not celebrity gems, not

1768
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 1: celebrity just behind the scenes guys. But yeah, yeah, I

1769
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,640
Speaker 1: think it was pretty risky to do any of that. Well,

1770
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: it don't sound right. It sounds like you're beating on

1771
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 1: your tube. It doesn't sound like an actual glunk. If

1772
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 1: you could re actually reproduce it, well, I would definitely

1773
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 1: do it. But it's tough. It's to do some screaming

1774
01:29:51,520 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: and moaning whatnot. They're not screaming moaning, and I mean

1775
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: just that subtle. I mean, is he's tending cows. Excuse me,

1776
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 1: you know he's tending cows. Is he's is, he's doing

1777
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: his thing, and he's just making those subtle just you know,

1778
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: elky sounds. Yeah, what's going on when a bowl makes

1779
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 1: uh like muse COWCOLI kind of mused and stuff. I

1780
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: don't even know what he's got going I mean, they

1781
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: do the calcol the time. I don't know what the

1782
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: heck that means or why he's doing it. I never

1783
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 1: heard him do it in the rut though. I had

1784
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 1: a bowl one time. Every time right before he bugle,

1785
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: he'd go and then he just scream. I'm like, man,

1786
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 1: he's got a cow over there and finally he came

1787
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: out and I've seen him do it. I'm like, what's

1788
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 1: he do one? But you never throw that in the mix.

1789
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean yeah at the World's Yeah, that'd be a

1790
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,600
Speaker 1: risky business. Like back a long time, I mean hunting, like,

1791
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 1: it's just it's just it's so rare that you don't

1792
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: need to Well, I'm MUing you a little bit here

1793
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,520
Speaker 1: and there. There's so much noise and some of those situations,

1794
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: like there's so much going on, right, I'm not Yeah,

1795
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess if you can pick out

1796
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: the subtle noises, they can too, would be a good

1797
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: the like the heavy breathing stuff, I'll do that, like

1798
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: when it's really getting pitched back and forth. But that's

1799
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 1: one thing where I'm like, this is risky, Like I

1800
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: just don't have the confidence. Does this sound good to him? Yeah?

1801
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: Just like breathing through that too, really heavy? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

1802
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: I've always wondered. I mean you can do that. I'm like,

1803
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:27,600
Speaker 1: I hope this sounds good on his end? Is I

1804
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: think it does? Because I don't. I don't know what

1805
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: it makes sense in the conversation. But that's where I

1806
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: just like resort back to I'll just beat on some brush.

1807
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: I'm confident that that sounds right. But the col muse,

1808
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: I've mostly only heard him when it's like late season.

1809
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: There are they're bashed up again and they're sparring. They're

1810
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: doing that light little fun spar and they're sort of

1811
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:50,640
Speaker 1: they're mewing against each other. That's when I've heard it,

1812
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:55,560
Speaker 1: mostly when her abrews mewing um, which brings me to

1813
01:31:55,680 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 1: late season h calling. A lot of people like post rot,

1814
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 1: like should I even bring calls? Do you guys bring calls?

1815
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 1: I don't leave I don't leave house without at least

1816
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: a cow call. If it's November December, Like let's say

1817
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: it's a late archery hunt in December, definitely have a

1818
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 1: cow call because you want me want to stop stopping help.

1819
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: But I think they're curious year round. Let's say there's

1820
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 1: summons a brush patch pretty close and you just like

1821
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 1: want one to come out to investigate. You start making

1822
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 1: a lost calf excuse me, a lost calf call. Make

1823
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: it like a lost calf cow call or or a

1824
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: cow call. They might come over and check it out.

1825
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 1: Especially spike Spikes are like, oh man, who's over there

1826
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: is that my mom. I mean that they're pretty curious.

1827
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 1: So I think if you can look at yeah, uh

1828
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, you want to appeal to their curiosity. So

1829
01:32:58,240 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 1: do you got what what do you guys think when

1830
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 1: people tell you, um that September right early September it's

1831
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: all hot, and people are like, oh, it sucked. They're

1832
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 1: not fired up yet? Are you Like? Yeah? I agree, No,

1833
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm gonna I'm gonna prove your own

1834
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 1: just a second. Yeah, So I I I think you

1835
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 1: can all you know, if it's hot, um, you know,

1836
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 1: early morning, late night. But I think I feel alike

1837
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 1: and and I haven't been proven wrong too many times.

1838
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 1: I can go in there and get something fired up

1839
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: eventually if they're ilk there. Last year in Idaho, as

1840
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 1: some guys told me there were no Elk there, I'm like,

1841
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm bettering you guys are gonna up there and find

1842
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 1: there were no Elk there. They showed me they were.

1843
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 1: I feel like somewhere in that unit, it might not

1844
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 1: be in the base and them in or the basin

1845
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 1: next to it, but somewhere in that unit during September

1846
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: it should be able to get something going. Yeah. I

1847
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 1: always come back to the fact I'm like, this is

1848
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 1: their only time of the year to do this. They

1849
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: have to figure they're not gonna waste They're not gonna

1850
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: be like, well, it's real hot. I don't really feel

1851
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 1: like mating for my time of year that I get

1852
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 1: to make, something's gonna happen. What about when there's no noise, right,

1853
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:10,679
Speaker 1: do you know there's elk there but no one's making

1854
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 1: a peat? Do you go and look for new ones? Yeah?

1855
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 1: The you know the old adage, don't leave elk to

1856
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 1: find elk, But a lot of times that's the game

1857
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm playing. If I can't call it in, I'm probably

1858
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to kill it where I hunt.

1859
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 1: Usually it's because big timber, a lot of brush. You

1860
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 1: can't just sneak around and you know, sneak up on

1861
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 1: one and shoot it. So if they won't talk, I'm moving.

1862
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: It's funny. And it'll be let's say September and you

1863
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 1: cannot buy a bugle for some reason, there's like there's

1864
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 1: no the elk will not call there. Here, there's there's

1865
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 1: elk here, and the calls I'll leave. I'm like, I'm

1866
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 1: driving twenty five miles to a different complete different drainage

1867
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 1: system and you go over there and they may be

1868
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: on fire over there. I've seen that before, just regionally,

1869
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,680
Speaker 1: and you might have been in that very spot on

1870
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 1: your an off day if you were there the day before,

1871
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: or they might have been on fire. And then there's

1872
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 1: that you'll have an awesome day of bugling and the

1873
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 1: next day will be completely quiet. You'll see that kind

1874
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,560
Speaker 1: of fluctuate through the whole the whole rest. So a

1875
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 1: lot of times, if it's not going on here, I

1876
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,759
Speaker 1: hike out, jump on the truck, DRIs do a different

1877
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 1: spot and go hunt there. I think a lot of

1878
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 1: that has to do to man with with one cow.

1879
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 1: You get that one cow that's in heat, and all

1880
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, everybody's you know, fired up.

1881
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 1: At least in Colorado. I mean, obviously there's a whole

1882
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 1: bunch of elk there, so maybe it happens more often

1883
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 1: just because there are more elk. But plenty of times

1884
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 1: in third season, which is normally you know, first week,

1885
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 1: maybe even to the second week in November, there's some

1886
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 1: raghorn opening morning that's bugling that you can hear is

1887
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 1: a way and he's not bugling for no reason. There's

1888
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 1: a cow that's in or you know, second cycle or whatever.

1889
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 1: I have a theory, and you guys, I want you

1890
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: guys to weigh in on it. So my uncle told

1891
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: me this when I was young, just getting into this

1892
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 1: whole thing. He likes to hunt on the end of

1893
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,720
Speaker 1: like at least six or seven, eight fifteen dry days

1894
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:09,680
Speaker 1: in a row. He's convinced that when it rains and

1895
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 1: washes that cow sent away, that it kills the rut

1896
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: for a day or two because her scent is now

1897
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 1: washed away. Whereas though you know, those semi mature satelight

1898
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,599
Speaker 1: bowls that are running ridge tops, running finger ridges can

1899
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:22,680
Speaker 1: pick her sent up after four or five days, you know,

1900
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 1: wherever wherever she later sent down. Whereas that next day

1901
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: at rains, he's like, it's gonna kill the rut for

1902
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 1: like two or three days. And I've kind of always

1903
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 1: we've always had good success, like if we can hunt

1904
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: through a dry section, but then as soon as you

1905
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 1: get that rain, I'm like, it may just be the

1906
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 1: weather slows him down. But I'm like, I wonder if

1907
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 1: you know that that kind of kills the rut. And

1908
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: so I love you know that September, if I can

1909
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 1: get a bunch of dry days, whether it's hot or not,

1910
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 1: it seems to be better. I never heard that, and

1911
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that would fall under the thing of

1912
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 1: that you just have a wide open schedule. Yeah, and

1913
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 1: you live in your spot. And because I would never

1914
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: be like I was gonna but it rain, but it

1915
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 1: rained yesterday. Yeah. I just can't picture someone like actually

1916
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 1: acting upon that. You know there and I'm in the

1917
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: same way. Same with moon phases. There's only so many

1918
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: September so I'm like, I'm hunting. I'm hunting the whole thing.

1919
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 1: But freshnow, freshnow in Montana and Idaho, like I have

1920
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 1: had a lot of screw it, I'm gonna go hunt

1921
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 1: and had the worst days of like falling elk tracks

1922
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 1: around in the snow, nobody's playing, nobody's talking. I think

1923
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:32,240
Speaker 1: that absolutely shuts them down. I think of wet when

1924
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 1: you get like it happens every year, that wet ass

1925
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 1: September dump of like four inches of slush. It does take.

1926
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 1: It's just like it just ends the party. And often

1927
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 1: I find they just like up and move crazy places.

1928
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 1: They're like pack up, move eight miles or whatever. Yeah.

1929
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:54,719
Speaker 1: One thing that I like confidence kills right, Like whatever

1930
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do may not be the right thing. When

1931
01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm like really standing it, Uh, you run into the

1932
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 1: cow that calls back aggressively, and I feel like she

1933
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 1: is like, no, no, we're not doing this again, and

1934
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: she's gonna go in and like grab the bowl and

1935
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: take off. Like when you get like that challenge back

1936
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: from the cow, that's like when my heart sinks and

1937
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh boy, I'm re allowed to I'm I'm

1938
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 1: not up to snuff on this one. Like I just

1939
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:31,560
Speaker 1: can't figure that one out and that has killed me

1940
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: several times. So what what is this? Do you guys have?

1941
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 1: Like the thing like if you hear it, you're like, well,

1942
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:46,719
Speaker 1: chances are our chances just went from to like separate

1943
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: from your situation, Like what is our situation where you're

1944
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 1: a bark? Yeah, well we'll follow a bark now show

1945
01:38:54,760 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 1: people are bark uh ow, that's a good bark. That's

1946
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 1: that's a really good bark. So um yeah, that's that's

1947
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 1: a great part. It kind of it kind of goes

1948
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 1: back to the why do you know how to do that?

1949
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 1: Because it's one of the required sounds during the Alcohl Yeah, yeah,

1950
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 1: you have to. You have to polish yourself. Ho do

1951
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:16,719
Speaker 1: you ever screw Do you ever like mess other hunters

1952
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: up by getting annoyed with the hunt of the hunters

1953
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: and barking before you leave? I definitely barking a cow

1954
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 1: that's barking at me. Yeah, and that's what I was

1955
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 1: gonna get back. So it's like, you can't pool their

1956
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 1: nose ever back to your guys as one of elk leaves.

1957
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 1: You can sometimes pool their eyes, but that's typically. I

1958
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 1: think when you get barked out, they've seen or heard

1959
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 1: something that's a little bit off, but they haven't smelled you.

1960
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:40,560
Speaker 1: They're gonna bark at you, and then I us we

1961
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 1: barked back at them. It's not necessarily going to save

1962
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 1: the whole situation, but it may give you just enough

1963
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 1: time to get a glimpse or to keep them around

1964
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: long enough before then they tear down the canyon barking

1965
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 1: everything the rest of the way out. Have you ever

1966
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: had have you ever been working a bowl and had

1967
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 1: a cow that's with the bull, not off to the side,

1968
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: but like a cow with the bull bark then you

1969
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: killed the bull. No, I think they've always run away.

1970
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:07,719
Speaker 1: I hate that sound. I hate it. Yeah, they're usually

1971
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 1: there's usually gone, Like I haven't even had a cow

1972
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 1: that's barked, where if she was a blood had enough

1973
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: time or the opportunity to shoot it, she's hung around

1974
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 1: like behind the tree that she saw me behind. Um,

1975
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, and then or she'll maybe run up a

1976
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 1: hundred yards and keep barking at me. But it's like

1977
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 1: I would have never even had an opportunity. But do

1978
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 1: that bark again at like that bark a whole bunch.

1979
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 1: He's barking through his beatle tube. That's like the worst

1980
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: noise on the planet. Why where are you enjoying it?

1981
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 1: I hate it more than a deer blowing? What about

1982
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 1: a wolf, Helen? That do you feel it shuts them down?

1983
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 1: It does my area in Idaho where which is more

1984
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 1: wolf in fested than they where else. Elk consistently they

1985
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 1: will rip one day in the basin, but if we

1986
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: hear if we hear him Helen, and they're like that

1987
01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 1: night when we're eating dinner, there will not be an

1988
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 1: elk are in there, or they will they will not

1989
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 1: be an that makes a sound in that base in

1990
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 1: the next morning. Um, so we'll typically just like oh,

1991
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:06,760
Speaker 1: we heard him in there. We're gonna go the other way.

1992
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:10,759
Speaker 1: I've had the experience though, Man, I've packed out several

1993
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:13,640
Speaker 1: bowls with wolves Howland in the base, like, and they

1994
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 1: were making noise. Oh, and it's like I think it's

1995
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 1: just like a safety and numbers thing, like, yeah, there's

1996
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 1: wolves here, but everybody's here. We got this, yeah, or

1997
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: the chance it'll be me. Yeah. I've had guys say

1998
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,759
Speaker 1: that they've heard bulls bugle at the wolves. The wolves

1999
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:35,519
Speaker 1: will howl and bull just scream at them. But my

2000
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:38,520
Speaker 1: experience has not been that is, if there's wolves Howland

2001
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 1: that you think a spaceship come along and took the

2002
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: elk away, they disappear and be quiet. I'll get up

2003
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 1: and I'll drive again to try to get completely out

2004
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 1: of their range, because you know those things will cover

2005
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 1: a lot of ground in today five fifteen miles. You

2006
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:57,720
Speaker 1: know the day the wolves will will So I just

2007
01:41:57,800 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 1: get the heck out of there and find somewhere else.

2008
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:04,320
Speaker 1: I definitely use wolves against people because no matter what

2009
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 1: you see or talk about, like with the fear of wolves,

2010
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:13,639
Speaker 1: either messing up a weekend or whatever, is so strong

2011
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 1: with people. Oh yeah, a lot of wolves sign up there.

2012
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start using wolves against people too, and just

2013
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 1: bring a wolf holler with me first thing in the morning.

2014
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:24,719
Speaker 1: Let a wolf holl out of the bottom. Hopefully everybody

2015
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:26,679
Speaker 1: leaves and they'll have it all to myself. Just mile

2016
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 1: up the trail and set electronic caller past so the

2017
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 1: elk didn't hear that and should be good to go.

2018
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 1: I had that this spring with turkeys. Man, we got

2019
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 1: rights where we needed to be at first light. And

2020
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 1: we're just sitting there trying to hear the first gobble

2021
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, in a big, nice, big Montana meadow or

2022
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 1: at the upper end of it and right on top

2023
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 1: of us, like it's you know, it always sounds like

2024
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 1: eight coyotes, probably just two or three, but just go

2025
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 1: nuts for like I mean, I'm like, all right, it's

2026
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 1: been three minutes. Come on, guys, like shut it down already.

2027
01:42:57,240 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking this is just over. We should

2028
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:01,680
Speaker 1: just start hiking right now. But we wait. We let

2029
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 1: it quiet down, and thirty seconds after they quit, you know,

2030
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 1: down at that was a piss poor gobble. It was

2031
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 1: a very distant gobble. Do another one, yeh couldn't you

2032
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:14,640
Speaker 1: hear it out there in the distance. Do you ever

2033
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 1: hear Yanni's way far off Elk? This is a super

2034
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 1: far away something. Guy wanted us to have a contest.

2035
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 1: He wanted contest who could make the best way far

2036
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:38,160
Speaker 1: off Elk sound? Yeah, you got uh another question yet one.

2037
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 1: I think it's easy. One guy's asking, like, how do

2038
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 1: you set up when you guys are alone? You know,

2039
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 1: like people pretty familiar with the it's easy to visualize

2040
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 1: the concept of like two guys. Right, So one guy's

2041
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 1: calling and he's trying to pull a bowl pass the

2042
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:55,240
Speaker 1: shooter right, So the bowl like he's gonna he's gonna

2043
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 1: approach cautiously. He's gonna, you know, he might not want

2044
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:01,720
Speaker 1: to get more than seven whatever fifty yards in that call.

2045
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 1: And so you got your shooter out there, and um,

2046
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:06,120
Speaker 1: hopefully that bow will come up and hang up and

2047
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 1: cut some half circles and he'll be right in the

2048
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 1: zone of the shooter. But when you're by yourself, what

2049
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:11,680
Speaker 1: do you guys? What do you guys like to do?

2050
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: It depends on vegetation. Like if I can move a

2051
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,560
Speaker 1: little bit, I'll make my first call just like it

2052
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 1: is a two color set up, and I'll move in

2053
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 1: the direction I think that thing's gonna try to circle

2054
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 1: where I made that first call from. So if i'd

2055
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 1: eight yards and I think I can get away with

2056
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 1: like fifteen yards to my left, I'll make that call.

2057
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 1: They're knowing that the wind's going right to left, he

2058
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:32,720
Speaker 1: should circle into my new location off of my first call. Um,

2059
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 1: you can't always do that, to be honest. Nine of

2060
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: the bulls we call in come in straight on. You

2061
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 1: know you're playing that wind directly perfect and comes straight

2062
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 1: on the Yeah, you're not going to ma a broadside

2063
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 1: shot you They're just gonna come directly at your location

2064
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:49,040
Speaker 1: on a on a one man calling set up. Um,

2065
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 1: you know your best bets hope they hold up at

2066
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty and you know, do the pacing back

2067
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 1: and forth show themselves. Um, but we don't really I

2068
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 1: mean with a cameraman or with our caller, Like I

2069
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 1: want to be able to communicate with my colors. Our

2070
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:04,040
Speaker 1: setups are really whether there's two guys or one guy. Um,

2071
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 1: they're really similar. And we talked about that threat earlier.

2072
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 1: If you send you know, the world primos on the

2073
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:13,679
Speaker 1: hill ranch scenario, I can't send my color hundred yards

2074
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: back because that that caller who is now the elk

2075
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:18,680
Speaker 1: is no longer a threat when I'm selling back. Kind

2076
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 1: of lost me there. So if you send your like

2077
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 1: on a two man calling set up, when you used

2078
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 1: to watch old Primos truth videos, you know they would

2079
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: send a guy a hundred hundred fifty yards back to call. Well,

2080
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 1: if you're a hundred yards away the colors and hundred

2081
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 1: five yards behind you when I'm trying to call a

2082
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 1: public lamb bowl, and it's really tough to to get

2083
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 1: him to commit. Um, So we like to have that

2084
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 1: call or be this because they're they're far enough out

2085
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:42,400
Speaker 1: of a circle that he's not too worried about, you know,

2086
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 1: having to defend his cows or can investigate. So we

2087
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 1: usually like to have that call right with the shooter anyways,

2088
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 1: and we can communicate that way. Um. So our single

2089
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,960
Speaker 1: man setups are really similar. Um. You know, the caller

2090
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:56,320
Speaker 1: just calls, and like I said, you can sometimes play

2091
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:57,680
Speaker 1: that win a little bit. You kind of know where

2092
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,040
Speaker 1: you're shooting lanes are gonna be based on the wind in.

2093
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 1: But um, we're still aggressive. I'm doing the same exact thing,

2094
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 1: So I use a lot of trickery when I'm by

2095
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 1: myself hunting solo. So as as the bulls approaching, um,

2096
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 1: he gets in that sixty seventy yard range and I

2097
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:18,840
Speaker 1: get that confirmation bugle where he's piste and he's coming.

2098
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 1: I might give him just one more, but at that

2099
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 1: point I'm just I'm gonna do. You start doing some

2100
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:27,639
Speaker 1: trickery where I I kind of throw my voice throw

2101
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 1: and make my call quiet. So I'll do maybe a

2102
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,559
Speaker 1: cal call into my gloved hand. I'll have my glove

2103
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:37,560
Speaker 1: on and kind to mute it, to mute it, or

2104
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 1: I'll kind of make cut my hands and force it

2105
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:43,759
Speaker 1: to a different direction. Um. Or I'll take my bugle

2106
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 1: tube and aim it completely opposite of me or off

2107
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,240
Speaker 1: to the side a little bit, whichever direction I want

2108
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 1: him to go. Then I'll then I'll cover the into

2109
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:54,280
Speaker 1: my tube with my hand a little bit and let

2110
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 1: a little air come out between my fingers, and they'll

2111
01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 1: make a really quiet bugle and it'll it fools him.

2112
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,720
Speaker 1: I've had bulls come running by me and I'll have

2113
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:05,680
Speaker 1: to stop him. I'll have to scream right in their

2114
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:07,599
Speaker 1: face to get him to stop and turn back around,

2115
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:10,640
Speaker 1: because he thought he thinks I'm up the hill a

2116
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:14,360
Speaker 1: hundred yards at that point. Yeah, so, and you can

2117
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: make it pretty decent. You just don't have to use

2118
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 1: as much air and it kind of changes your air

2119
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 1: your your airflow and your back pressure dynatic dynamics in there.

2120
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 1: So you can make a pretty good bugle with that

2121
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 1: with your hand over there, those falling far away, not

2122
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 1: as far away as yon, he's bull far away, but

2123
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 1: a lot of times if you can do that, it's

2124
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, he's not in this spot anymore. He's

2125
01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 1: over here a little bit, and then they'll come walking

2126
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 1: by and you can whack him a new one. For

2127
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 1: the national championships, you do a bull that's five miles away,

2128
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 1: he's getting closer and now I wanted a mile away. Yeah,

2129
01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:59,800
Speaker 1: you write that down right? Why are you? Why are

2130
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 1: you highlighting all kinds of stuff in our document? Oh,

2131
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: the ones that I feel like we've already gotten norse,

2132
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:07,720
Speaker 1: so I can see what questions are left to hit?

2133
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 1: Which one do we not do? What's your feeling on

2134
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:14,640
Speaker 1: I think you kind of answered maybe to answer this.

2135
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 1: People are like, oh, it's pre rut, it's peak rut,

2136
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 1: post rut. Are you changing your game? Are you just

2137
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 1: out there hunting. I'm just out there hunting. I'm pretty prescriptive.

2138
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 1: I do the same thing now if it's it's really early,

2139
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, late August, first September, maybe a little more

2140
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 1: cal calling than typical, which is not still not very much,

2141
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,559
Speaker 1: but you know, some of those bigger bulls are still roaming,

2142
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, looking looking to gather up to hurt, and

2143
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 1: so I might do a little bit more you know,

2144
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 1: cal talking and being a call company owner, this kind

2145
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:45,599
Speaker 1: of sucks. But a lot of times those paternable balls

2146
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 1: in in that late August, it's sometimes just better to

2147
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 1: go kill them without making a sound. But it's it's

2148
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,559
Speaker 1: really hard to say, really hard to say, I'd rather

2149
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 1: I'd rather call out bowl and all fired up. But

2150
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:57,719
Speaker 1: if you have a specific bowl or have some elk pattern,

2151
01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:00,040
Speaker 1: like maybe not even make a peep and go go

2152
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 1: kill him. Really but sometimes it's not gonna sell call no.

2153
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:07,120
Speaker 1: But sometimes sometimes they're on fire, you know, late August,

2154
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:08,960
Speaker 1: So I mean it's kind of match what what's going

2155
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 1: on in the area you're in. If there if you

2156
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:12,960
Speaker 1: go in hu An area on August and there's not

2157
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 1: a peep, then I'm probably not gonna just hammer on

2158
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 1: my bugle all day, but um, if they're going off

2159
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna I'm gonna join in. Yeah, he's

2160
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 1: this the real question of a guy being kind of

2161
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:27,759
Speaker 1: snarky about Phelps about the bugle every four seconds. Probably

2162
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:30,720
Speaker 1: he's probably some insider that knows these guys. Can I say,

2163
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 1: can I read it how he said it? Why do

2164
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 1: all the guys that Phelps feel the need to bugle

2165
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 1: every four seconds? Is that the voice he said it?

2166
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:42,200
Speaker 1: You think I feel? I really do feel like we

2167
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 1: hit it. It's funny. I'm glad you brought it up,

2168
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:46,760
Speaker 1: but we hit it right off the top because Jason said,

2169
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 1: he's like, you can't. I can't overcall when I'm trying

2170
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 1: to locate Elk and usually that's by buglin. Well that's

2171
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 1: why you highlighted that one. Yeah, if anybody's ever been

2172
01:49:57,240 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: in a real rut fest with Elk, bulls will bugle

2173
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:04,560
Speaker 1: every five seconds. Literally when they're on fire and and

2174
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:06,720
Speaker 1: like chasing the hot cow or whatever. I mean, there'll

2175
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 1: be bulls people every five seconds. I've had bulls come

2176
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:13,720
Speaker 1: from a quarter mile away bogle almost every step. Just

2177
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 1: just man, this is gonna happen, you know, So I

2178
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:22,840
Speaker 1: think you can't really over bugle at the right times.

2179
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:24,880
Speaker 1: You can sure to overdo it at other times at

2180
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 1: the wrong times. Just it it's situational and it kind

2181
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:29,800
Speaker 1: of depends on on where you're at in your conversation

2182
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 1: with your elk. And we do I mean that that question,

2183
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's probably very directed. Um. You know, we've

2184
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 1: I think all of us everywhere we've been, you know,

2185
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:40,000
Speaker 1: we were heavy on the bagles. Everything we teach is

2186
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:42,719
Speaker 1: heavy bugling. And I think people can get frustrated because

2187
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 1: we're out there. They think, you know, we're overcalling or

2188
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 1: telling people they should overcall. And then there's just right times,

2189
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 1: like we're not out there just buggling, you know from

2190
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 1: the truck window or doing this stuff you're not supposed to.

2191
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:55,560
Speaker 1: It's it's somewhat calculated. We're trying to bugle in the

2192
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:58,919
Speaker 1: new basins. But I just I don't think you're educating

2193
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:00,920
Speaker 1: them until that, you know, you either call them in

2194
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:03,760
Speaker 1: and windham, um, you know, if they've been messed with.

2195
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 1: But at the point where you're just if you sound

2196
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: enough like an elk, you're just basically saying, hey, I'm

2197
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 1: up here. You're wanting to get a response, hand him

2198
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 1: down here or you know, or hey, I'm over here. Um,

2199
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't, and it's hard. I mean, we're just speculating

2200
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:17,639
Speaker 1: what's going on. But I don't think you can shut

2201
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 1: down a complete area just by over biggling if you

2202
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 1: sound like an elk, you know, from from maybe an

2203
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:24,840
Speaker 1: outsider's perspective. Let's say this guy's watching you from the

2204
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 1: other side of the base and the other side of

2205
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 1: the drainage, and he's watching you walk up the hill

2206
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:35,760
Speaker 1: and you bugle every every two minutes. A guy, a

2207
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:39,640
Speaker 1: person here is watching you, and you're like walking over

2208
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 1: here in your bugle, and you're walking over here, and

2209
01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 1: you seem like that guy needs a shut up? Why

2210
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:45,800
Speaker 1: is he bigling so much? But on your side, you're

2211
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 1: looking at train features. Okay, you're up on a on

2212
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:51,840
Speaker 1: a ridge. You're bugling down into these canyons. Right. Well,

2213
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,400
Speaker 1: if I walk a hundred yards this way, I've got

2214
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 1: a little different angle down into this draw We're I'm

2215
01:51:57,160 --> 01:52:00,040
Speaker 1: bugle into you know, I've had this before. We're I

2216
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 1: couldn't hardly hear a bull walk a hundred yards and

2217
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:05,720
Speaker 1: then wow, I can hear him really well? Um, yeah,

2218
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's crazy hunting with two dudes where the

2219
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:13,479
Speaker 1: guy who's five ft ten feet up the mountain above you,

2220
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 1: it's like did you hear that? You know? And I'm

2221
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:19,639
Speaker 1: down below and being like hear what makes to each

2222
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:22,639
Speaker 1: other on the trail talking All of a sudden, it's

2223
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 1: like three guys also, two of them frantically point in

2224
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:28,559
Speaker 1: some directions. Every one was like what yeah, yeah, He's

2225
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 1: like you're like in the middle of a thaw or

2226
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:31,519
Speaker 1: you're getting d you know what I mean, whatever, man,

2227
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:33,880
Speaker 1: you just it's just different. I liken it to fishing.

2228
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't just go up to your fishing spot,

2229
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:38,599
Speaker 1: throw one cast out and be like, yeah, no fishing here.

2230
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:41,240
Speaker 1: I mean you you cast this way, every little bit,

2231
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,760
Speaker 1: you cover that entire little spot where you're standing in

2232
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:46,720
Speaker 1: the river before you ever move, you go up, you know,

2233
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:49,240
Speaker 1: however far to start casting again. It's the same with

2234
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 1: elk counting. I mean, you gotta probe every little spot.

2235
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:54,360
Speaker 1: There might be a bullet can't hear you, or you

2236
01:52:54,439 --> 01:52:56,320
Speaker 1: can't hear him and it's like, oh, there he is.

2237
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 1: Or many times you know, you locate, locate, locate, You

2238
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:00,599
Speaker 1: might be six hunder yards on the trail and one

2239
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 1: answers you know, right back to the spot you bugle

2240
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:04,760
Speaker 1: three or four times ago. It's just you don't know

2241
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:06,840
Speaker 1: where they're eating, what they're doing, if they're paying attention,

2242
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 1: or just didn't feel like answering you when you were

2243
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 1: that close. So what does why do you? What does

2244
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 1: all the guys that felps mean? How many guys are there?

2245
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:18,439
Speaker 1: I know, your mind, your wife are there? They call

2246
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 1: it too much. I think it's more of our our

2247
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:23,320
Speaker 1: end users, you know, the I think we get you

2248
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:26,680
Speaker 1: and your your disciples. Yeah, yeah, I mean all of us, us,

2249
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 1: the born and raised crew, you know Derk, all of

2250
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 1: us that that teach and hunt the way we do,

2251
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 1: and you know we we bugle a lot. So I

2252
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:37,080
Speaker 1: think they're they're they're lumping the crew and who uses

2253
01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 1: our stuff? And and yeah, there's there's different camps in

2254
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:42,720
Speaker 1: the way to hunt. Right there's the guy that I

2255
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 1: never bugle, I just caw call. And there's the guys

2256
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 1: that say, I never make an ELK call at all.

2257
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 1: I just shadow the herd and I wait for my opportunity.

2258
01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:53,120
Speaker 1: And then there's our camp that bugles all the time.

2259
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:57,599
Speaker 1: So they're probably saying, yeah, those helps guys. Yeah, if

2260
01:53:57,640 --> 01:54:00,400
Speaker 1: you guys kill like a shipload elk every year, we

2261
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 1: try like between you guys and been born and raised, like,

2262
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:06,839
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a reason to be like starting

2263
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 1: about why you guys called too much. It works, It works.

2264
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's just people maybe get a

2265
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:13,280
Speaker 1: little bit disgusting, you know, somebody's in the area and

2266
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:15,200
Speaker 1: then just people biggling all over it. And so I

2267
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:17,679
Speaker 1: think it's just kind of generated that that hate for bugles.

2268
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:20,559
Speaker 1: You've heard that for, Yeah, I mean in Colorado last year,

2269
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean we were we were trying to chase the

2270
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,400
Speaker 1: real bull why trying to avoid like the three other

2271
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 1: fake bugles that were chasing us, and we're trying to

2272
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 1: stay between them and the bull that we got going.

2273
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:30,840
Speaker 1: It was just, I mean, there are a lot of

2274
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:32,800
Speaker 1: guys out there bugling in some of these areas, and

2275
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 1: so I can see why, Hey, everybody, just put your

2276
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:38,120
Speaker 1: tubes away. But you know this one time in Idaho,

2277
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:41,800
Speaker 1: was hunting with Corey Jacobson and Donnie Drake and we

2278
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 1: got back to the pickup and there was a note

2279
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:46,000
Speaker 1: on the pickup and said, if you guys were hunting

2280
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:49,720
Speaker 1: up the basin. This morning, you bagle way in in

2281
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:54,560
Speaker 1: capital letters, way too much. With bogle the normal amount

2282
01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 1: you can go up the basin, you cover around, you

2283
01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 1: make a big loop. You know you're probe and you're

2284
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 1: listening for Elkin. I mean, we didn't bugle excessively in

2285
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 1: our mind, but that guy was probably like, listen to

2286
01:55:05,240 --> 01:55:10,760
Speaker 1: those idiots down there, divisive. Yeah you guys build a

2287
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 1: new uh you build a new facility. Yeah yeah, a

2288
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 1: new shop, new warehouse, office space. Finally, um, make us

2289
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,200
Speaker 1: way more efficient. Still got a day job. We have

2290
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:25,160
Speaker 1: part time, part time training my replacement. But um, it's

2291
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:27,720
Speaker 1: about training to replace. Yeah. It's about a two year process.

2292
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:29,640
Speaker 1: So what we do is not like you know that

2293
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:32,160
Speaker 1: much stuff. Well yeah, well it's just it's not normal

2294
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:34,720
Speaker 1: and it's cyclical. So you're always doing something as a

2295
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:37,640
Speaker 1: granty eight, you know, you write grants and interview grants,

2296
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:39,160
Speaker 1: so it's like, well on this day, you don't do

2297
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:41,360
Speaker 1: the same thing you do like next week. So it

2298
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:44,400
Speaker 1: takes about two years to go through and and figure

2299
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,440
Speaker 1: it out. So hopefully when that's all done, we'll look

2300
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:49,840
Speaker 1: at reducing the time there. I love seeing it though, man,

2301
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:52,000
Speaker 1: like someone like built you know it's also making a

2302
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:55,320
Speaker 1: cool little business. And I'm just I just saverboded a Dirk.

2303
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:58,640
Speaker 1: Now he'll take care of you. I'm busy. Now he does.

2304
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:02,879
Speaker 1: Um what else we got, Yannie? I'm getting into Yanni's

2305
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:05,080
Speaker 1: brain a little bit here by looking at how he

2306
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 1: highlights stuff. I would think that one, in my mind,

2307
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:15,720
Speaker 1: one highlights things that are meant to pay attention to.

2308
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 1: Yanni highlights things that you're supposed to ignore. So if

2309
01:56:21,480 --> 01:56:24,640
Speaker 1: Yanni left you a note and highlighted parts of it,

2310
01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:29,800
Speaker 1: you think that he was highlighting the parts that's highlighting.

2311
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:32,760
Speaker 1: He's actually highlighting the parts that are at least important.

2312
01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 1: Yanna's just switched to a black highlights real quick scratch out.

2313
01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:40,720
Speaker 1: You might you might want to find a strikeout feature. Yeah,

2314
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 1: that's pretty, that's like, yeah, you just figured it out.

2315
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:49,720
Speaker 1: So highlight means that we're done with it. Uh So

2316
01:56:50,040 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 1: the fact that it's not highlighted makes me feel that

2317
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:56,200
Speaker 1: Yanni wants to talk about this is good. Hit him

2318
01:56:56,200 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 1: with number twenty three, Yanni, number Oh, would you rather

2319
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 1: call a bull uphill or downhill? Downhill? Side hill? That's

2320
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,520
Speaker 1: not an option? I need straight question because for me,

2321
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:12,080
Speaker 1: it's it doesn't matter. It's like, well, whatever the wind's doing,

2322
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:15,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna be. I mean, let's assume that the winds

2323
01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 1: good in both those situations that I, in my opinion,

2324
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:20,080
Speaker 1: calling bull's downhill. They've got gravity on their side. You know,

2325
01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:22,600
Speaker 1: two bulls that think they're gonna posture up. That bull

2326
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:26,120
Speaker 1: coming from uphill towards downhill has got the advantage at

2327
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:29,280
Speaker 1: that point. Um, so I think he'll come more easily down. Yeah,

2328
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 1: because he's got an advantage with gravity on his side. YEA.

2329
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 1: If I was on a steep pitch and I was

2330
01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:36,840
Speaker 1: supposed to fight, Yannia, be like, I'll take the uphill,

2331
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:39,160
Speaker 1: see exactly. Oh yeah, that's a good point. Now why

2332
01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:42,240
Speaker 1: do you like sidehilling? Um? Okay, so you have your

2333
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:45,200
Speaker 1: thermals to go up and down. Okay. So let's say here,

2334
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:47,560
Speaker 1: it is two o'clock in the afternoon. You got this

2335
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 1: bull going, You get on the side hill from him. Okay,

2336
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:52,920
Speaker 1: it's easy for him to come straight straight across to you,

2337
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:56,880
Speaker 1: which they prefer. Most elk trails do come across the hill.

2338
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:58,800
Speaker 1: That's a good point. So it's very easy. Make it

2339
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:01,600
Speaker 1: easy for him to come to you. And also you're

2340
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 1: you're you're strategizing with the wind. So it's the middle

2341
01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:07,800
Speaker 1: of the day, got a warm hill side, you got

2342
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:10,880
Speaker 1: thermal's going up. All of a sudden, big cloud comes over.

2343
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:14,839
Speaker 1: Where what's the thermals do? They go back downhill? Sometimes

2344
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:16,320
Speaker 1: they swirl a little bit, but hardly to do that

2345
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:19,800
Speaker 1: if you go straight sideways, so you're kind of stack

2346
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 1: on that wind in your favor um to where you

2347
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:25,680
Speaker 1: know if the wind has change that or if your

2348
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:28,880
Speaker 1: side hill. Let's say that bull drops, you can drop

2349
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 1: really quickly to try to get on his same level

2350
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:32,960
Speaker 1: again and so he don't get your wind, or you

2351
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:36,680
Speaker 1: can climb and not as far if he if he's

2352
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:38,920
Speaker 1: trying to go above you and get you. I'm feeling yeah,

2353
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny talk about like how trails, Uh

2354
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:43,800
Speaker 1: you guys ever spent much time in wild Pig country

2355
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:47,080
Speaker 1: because you get used to how trails are on hills

2356
01:58:47,160 --> 01:58:50,240
Speaker 1: always angles like they either side hill they cut those

2357
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:52,920
Speaker 1: like switchback angles. You know, all your trails hither like that,

2358
01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:56,320
Speaker 1: and wild Pig country see trails just going smack up hills.

2359
01:58:57,080 --> 01:59:00,240
Speaker 1: Oh wow, trails like running straight up hill and don't

2360
01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:01,640
Speaker 1: even think about and you look as like that's the

2361
01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:04,520
Speaker 1: weirdest looking trail because you realize how many trails are

2362
01:59:04,600 --> 01:59:10,440
Speaker 1: like shallow, you know, shallow crisscross you kind of networks. Okay,

2363
01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:16,120
Speaker 1: so there's that one. I like seven. I do too,

2364
01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:19,160
Speaker 1: But they already answered it. We gonna ask it again,

2365
01:59:19,240 --> 01:59:22,480
Speaker 1: though they answering in a roundabout way. Is blind cow

2366
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:26,440
Speaker 1: calling while creeping through the woods a good tactic? What

2367
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:29,080
Speaker 1: I'll do rather than creep through the woods. Let's say

2368
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:32,120
Speaker 1: I haven't heard any bulls and I'm just covering country.

2369
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm going from point A to point B, and I

2370
01:59:34,920 --> 01:59:37,600
Speaker 1: don't want to be quiet because I gotta get there.

2371
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:40,920
Speaker 1: So as I'm walking along, stomping on brush and kicking

2372
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:44,480
Speaker 1: rocks and stuff, I'll just throwout a couple of cow

2373
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:47,960
Speaker 1: calls every little bit that and and a lot of times,

2374
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:50,960
Speaker 1: even just walking through the woods popping brush without a

2375
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:53,120
Speaker 1: cow call, you'll get a bullet. It's close by. He'll

2376
01:59:53,120 --> 01:59:55,120
Speaker 1: fire up and be like, hey, you're an elk. I

2377
01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:57,800
Speaker 1: know it is. It's gotta be you located my bolosh

2378
01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:01,280
Speaker 1: in Colorado when we're just walking through calcul one was

2379
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:03,560
Speaker 1: a cow calor bugle? Thank you? Cal called. They're just

2380
02:00:03,720 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 1: one stimond he answered. Here's a good one. I like

2381
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:11,960
Speaker 1: this one. What about a guy that's uh, let's say, uh,

2382
02:00:13,320 --> 02:00:16,920
Speaker 1: you were on a cow tag. What do you bring

2383
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:21,120
Speaker 1: out in the woods for calls exact same spike or cows.

2384
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna locate that herd ball or get able

2385
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:26,400
Speaker 1: to answer because the cows are going to be around here. Yeah,

2386
02:00:26,440 --> 02:00:28,000
Speaker 1: so at least start the game the same. You're still

2387
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:29,400
Speaker 1: gonna move in get the win, right, so you're out

2388
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:31,160
Speaker 1: of the cow tag, you bring in your bugle, ye,

2389
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean because you you the game is still the

2390
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:37,240
Speaker 1: same right until the end of you know how, you're

2391
02:00:37,240 --> 02:00:39,360
Speaker 1: gonna kill that cow and then I would probably keep

2392
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:41,560
Speaker 1: that bull bugle and then just more spot and stock

2393
02:00:41,600 --> 02:00:43,200
Speaker 1: at that point, just try to squeeze in close enough

2394
02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:45,800
Speaker 1: to the herd to get a shot versus calling that bowling.

2395
02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:49,120
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Same with spike hunters. You know, get hey,

2396
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:51,200
Speaker 1: we can only hunt spikes and each from Washington this year.

2397
02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:53,720
Speaker 1: What should I do by pretend like you're unting the

2398
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:55,480
Speaker 1: herdball right till the end and then caw call him in,

2399
02:00:55,640 --> 02:00:58,240
Speaker 1: but then don't shoot him. Yeah. I don't know how

2400
02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 1: many times I've had spikes come around and then just like,

2401
02:01:01,240 --> 02:01:03,720
Speaker 1: oh man, there's somebody else over hey man, and then

2402
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:06,160
Speaker 1: too late. So seriously, like you go out like I'm

2403
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:08,240
Speaker 1: hunting a cow tag or whatever you got, and you're

2404
02:01:08,280 --> 02:01:10,320
Speaker 1: bugling to find Elk. Oh yeah, I mean I would

2405
02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:12,000
Speaker 1: still glass first. Thing, Like if I didn't have to

2406
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:14,280
Speaker 1: make a sound, it would be ideal. But um say

2407
02:01:14,280 --> 02:01:15,880
Speaker 1: they're all, you know, going to timber in the bras,

2408
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:17,600
Speaker 1: you can't spot them anymore. I would just go back

2409
02:01:17,640 --> 02:01:21,240
Speaker 1: to locate and just like hunting big bulls. Hmm, it's

2410
02:01:21,240 --> 02:01:22,760
Speaker 1: gonna that's gonna piss a lot of people off because

2411
02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:25,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna have all the cow hunters out there. But

2412
02:01:26,200 --> 02:01:28,880
Speaker 1: that's interesting, man, that's interesting. Or I mean you don't

2413
02:01:29,160 --> 02:01:30,760
Speaker 1: after being a bagle, you can you know, you can

2414
02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:33,040
Speaker 1: chase the real bagles that you hear without locating them.

2415
02:01:33,080 --> 02:01:35,240
Speaker 1: But I just feel like you can force her hand,

2416
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:37,360
Speaker 1: force him to make sound a little bit better if

2417
02:01:37,400 --> 02:01:42,560
Speaker 1: you had the location bogle with you. Yeah, I'm liking

2418
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:52,080
Speaker 1: that number thirty. That's boring. Different whatever you want answer,

2419
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:54,520
Speaker 1: my answer will be boring. That's a good question. Are

2420
02:01:54,560 --> 02:02:00,200
Speaker 1: there different calling Roosevelt Elk versus a copy? Yeah? Minds

2421
02:02:00,200 --> 02:02:03,880
Speaker 1: how highlighted though our guests are prepared. I don't think

2422
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:06,960
Speaker 1: you should give him a copy of the question. Dude,

2423
02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:11,000
Speaker 1: how are we gonna get a gotcha moment? You got

2424
02:02:11,080 --> 02:02:15,120
Speaker 1: plenty of So the difference between Roosevelt and Rocky I

2425
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:17,480
Speaker 1: was fortunate if UM grew up in the little body

2426
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:19,760
Speaker 1: gave you a copy of the questions he wanted us

2427
02:02:19,760 --> 02:02:21,320
Speaker 1: to be prepared. We had to, We had to google

2428
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:27,520
Speaker 1: all these Well, the do you find your ant attractive? Question? Yeah,

2429
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:29,360
Speaker 1: hold on, that can be a bit of a gotcha.

2430
02:02:30,240 --> 02:02:32,120
Speaker 1: So growing up, you know, an hour from the coast

2431
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:35,080
Speaker 1: of Washington, grew up, all I knew was Roosevelt hunting.

2432
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:37,160
Speaker 1: UM fortunate enough in the last ten years to get

2433
02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:39,760
Speaker 1: the hunt Rockies. They sound exactly the same. We call

2434
02:02:39,880 --> 02:02:42,600
Speaker 1: them exactly the same. The one main difference I feel

2435
02:02:42,640 --> 02:02:44,680
Speaker 1: in the areas I've hunted is that the Rockies aren't

2436
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:48,160
Speaker 1: really tied down to a necessarily a court area, um,

2437
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:50,520
Speaker 1: where like Roosevelt's they will live their entire life in

2438
02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:53,320
Speaker 1: a one mile one and a half mile circle. Um.

2439
02:02:53,480 --> 02:02:56,400
Speaker 1: Is the main difference is that right for the most part.

2440
02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:58,760
Speaker 1: So like you, I hear that about I hear that

2441
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:01,840
Speaker 1: about black Tales in the rainforest two people top all

2442
02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:03,760
Speaker 1: he'll have a zone man and that's where he lives. Yea,

2443
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:05,640
Speaker 1: the same with our elk. We grew up as a

2444
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:07,880
Speaker 1: rifle muzzlier hunter. Like you spooked the elk, like you

2445
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:09,680
Speaker 1: might as well, just the way they went turned around

2446
02:03:09,720 --> 02:03:11,560
Speaker 1: and walked the circle backwards and we went. They're they're

2447
02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:13,760
Speaker 1: trying to get back to where you know you spooked

2448
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:16,080
Speaker 1: him and get back to their core piece of timber.

2449
02:03:16,200 --> 02:03:18,640
Speaker 1: And um, we're rockies. It's like you bump them in

2450
02:03:18,640 --> 02:03:20,280
Speaker 1: the next time you see them, like five miles away

2451
02:03:20,360 --> 02:03:22,240
Speaker 1: running the next ridge. Still they're just gonna go find

2452
02:03:22,240 --> 02:03:24,520
Speaker 1: a new place to live, you know, or whatever. But

2453
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:26,840
Speaker 1: that that that's the main difference. Like Colling is the

2454
02:03:26,920 --> 02:03:31,320
Speaker 1: same our our Roosevelt's chuckle more, I think, um sometimes

2455
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, I would say half the bulls don't even

2456
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,720
Speaker 1: get a high note vehgle. They just did chuckle um,

2457
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:37,880
Speaker 1: which is a little bit of a difference. But you know,

2458
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:40,600
Speaker 1: other than that, they all sound the same. Yeah, I've

2459
02:03:40,640 --> 02:03:43,520
Speaker 1: never hunted Roosevelts, so I can't really comment on that.

2460
02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:47,560
Speaker 1: What are the main states you like to hunt? Um Love, Wyoming,

2461
02:03:47,960 --> 02:03:51,000
Speaker 1: um hunter, Montana wants. I'd like to hunt in Arizona

2462
02:03:51,120 --> 02:03:54,600
Speaker 1: some day, but Idaho's basically might go to because I

2463
02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:57,280
Speaker 1: live there, you know, hunt close to home, and it's

2464
02:03:57,360 --> 02:04:00,160
Speaker 1: probably the worst elk hunting in Idaho right there club us.

2465
02:04:00,240 --> 02:04:03,200
Speaker 1: But um, it's close and I know the area and

2466
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:06,520
Speaker 1: and it's easier to get away, you know. Speaking of

2467
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:09,760
Speaker 1: getting away, guy wanted to know what's the best way

2468
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:13,160
Speaker 1: to ask my wife to extend a hunting trip without

2469
02:04:13,240 --> 02:04:19,200
Speaker 1: getting in trouble. All that is, um is preparation before

2470
02:04:19,280 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 1: hunting season ever gets there. That's all the lead up.

2471
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:25,120
Speaker 1: So you pay your dues, all winner all summer. Yeah,

2472
02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:28,120
Speaker 1: with your wife. You you do all those things with

2473
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:30,560
Speaker 1: your wife, you know, let her know, like, hey, I

2474
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:34,280
Speaker 1: really like to take an extended vacation this year elk hunting.

2475
02:04:34,640 --> 02:04:37,160
Speaker 1: And then so you start, you start laying the groundwork

2476
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:39,520
Speaker 1: win as soon as you know you're gonna go hunt

2477
02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:41,800
Speaker 1: and say I'm gonna do this is my plan this year.

2478
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:44,000
Speaker 1: And then but that you know, I'm gonna make sure

2479
02:04:44,200 --> 02:04:48,360
Speaker 1: you get you're into the deal good too. Yeah yeah,

2480
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:55,360
Speaker 1: toe you're out of your hair. Yeah, they're out of

2481
02:04:55,400 --> 02:04:58,000
Speaker 1: the hair. One of them is making his own money.

2482
02:04:58,040 --> 02:05:01,640
Speaker 1: And my daughter she still in college so pretty soon

2483
02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:05,200
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get him off the payroll. So now you're

2484
02:05:05,240 --> 02:05:08,560
Speaker 1: only But that's what I'm talking about. Man, you got

2485
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:10,760
Speaker 1: all that over with, right, forty five and I got

2486
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:12,760
Speaker 1: the whole deal ahead of me. But the bad part

2487
02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:16,680
Speaker 1: is being forty five and being an empty nester is now,

2488
02:05:16,760 --> 02:05:19,560
Speaker 1: who are my friend options? Like, hey, let's go hang out? Well,

2489
02:05:19,600 --> 02:05:21,960
Speaker 1: I can't all my people my age, they got little kids,

2490
02:05:22,040 --> 02:05:24,360
Speaker 1: so well we got baseball, we got this or that one.

2491
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:28,000
Speaker 1: Now it's like old retirees, you know, like sixty year olds, like, hey,

2492
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:29,480
Speaker 1: you want to go? I don't know. I don't think

2493
02:05:29,480 --> 02:05:34,720
Speaker 1: I couldn't do. You got guys like year old, Yeah, true, true,

2494
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:39,160
Speaker 1: they're interested. Now yeah, there you go there. So okay,

2495
02:05:39,240 --> 02:05:41,200
Speaker 1: so I want to get back. I needed to get

2496
02:05:41,240 --> 02:05:43,520
Speaker 1: a better snapshot of what because if you're like divorced

2497
02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:47,920
Speaker 1: three times, right, yeah, I pay attention. I just had

2498
02:05:47,960 --> 02:05:49,480
Speaker 1: to get that. I had to find out what we're talking,

2499
02:05:49,560 --> 02:05:51,480
Speaker 1: what we're what we're working with here. So you're saying

2500
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:55,560
Speaker 1: that you're real upfront. Yeah you're like, come September or whatever,

2501
02:05:55,680 --> 02:05:58,720
Speaker 1: here's what's gonna happen. But I'm gonna I'm gonna really

2502
02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:03,920
Speaker 1: throw down hard on husbanding. Yeah, yeah, I say, honey,

2503
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do anything you want to do the rest

2504
02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:08,440
Speaker 1: of the year, but please let me have my time

2505
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:11,880
Speaker 1: in September or whatever hunt months you're hunting. Let me

2506
02:06:11,960 --> 02:06:15,480
Speaker 1: have my time. Then I was just gonna say, you

2507
02:06:15,480 --> 02:06:18,000
Speaker 1: don't even have to request like an extra couple of days.

2508
02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:19,600
Speaker 1: You're just calling and check it in and saying, hey,

2509
02:06:19,640 --> 02:06:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be home Friday instead of Wednesday. Right, what's

2510
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:30,920
Speaker 1: the thing you did, um to earn hunting time? Uh?

2511
02:06:31,120 --> 02:06:32,880
Speaker 1: What's the thing you did that was you feel the

2512
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:40,880
Speaker 1: most out of character for you? Oh? Um, I don't know.

2513
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:43,080
Speaker 1: Go to the big city, you know, go go take

2514
02:06:43,120 --> 02:06:45,880
Speaker 1: a trip to Seattle, Washington or something and and hang

2515
02:06:45,960 --> 02:06:48,880
Speaker 1: out and walking walk up and down the wharf there

2516
02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:51,120
Speaker 1: and check things out. That's not my cup of tea

2517
02:06:51,160 --> 02:06:54,040
Speaker 1: at all. You're cool about it. Yeah, right, you're like, man,

2518
02:06:54,120 --> 02:06:56,920
Speaker 1: this is the best time. I'm like complain a little

2519
02:06:56,960 --> 02:07:01,240
Speaker 1: bit in Seattle. Well, you know, it's just horrible, but

2520
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:04,560
Speaker 1: um yeah, but I yeah, I pay those dudes because

2521
02:07:05,480 --> 02:07:07,320
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that And and it's the

2522
02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:10,720
Speaker 1: great thing about my wife is she she understands men.

2523
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:13,800
Speaker 1: Neither time me neither time to kind of get away

2524
02:07:13,880 --> 02:07:16,440
Speaker 1: from things, the pressures of life and kind of decompress,

2525
02:07:16,840 --> 02:07:19,040
Speaker 1: find themselves a little bit in the woods. And then

2526
02:07:19,080 --> 02:07:21,720
Speaker 1: because she knows, when I come back, I'm better. I'm

2527
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:24,560
Speaker 1: usually better, you know, I'm a better person. I've I've

2528
02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:28,480
Speaker 1: kind of left some things behind. Um, I feel like, okay,

2529
02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:30,760
Speaker 1: now I can focus on other things other than just

2530
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:33,280
Speaker 1: got all this stuff about hunting in my head. I

2531
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:37,960
Speaker 1: think that it's helpful. There's a game you play, like

2532
02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:39,800
Speaker 1: if you've got the break to your spouse that you're

2533
02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:45,480
Speaker 1: going to do something that's gonna leave them, you know,

2534
02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:48,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna leave them in a troubled spot. Meaning like

2535
02:07:49,120 --> 02:07:51,960
Speaker 1: for us in my marriage, it's not about that you're gone.

2536
02:07:52,080 --> 02:07:54,400
Speaker 1: It's not that that you're absent and I miss you.

2537
02:07:54,680 --> 02:07:57,240
Speaker 1: It's that there's a lot that has to happen because

2538
02:07:57,280 --> 02:08:01,560
Speaker 1: we're raising young kids, right, So you know, if I

2539
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:04,040
Speaker 1: if I had to worry about that, it wouldn't really

2540
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:07,880
Speaker 1: matter at all. Right, Like we were kind of you know,

2541
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:10,400
Speaker 1: we have our lives and we're cool with each other,

2542
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:12,800
Speaker 1: and you know it's like if if I don't see

2543
02:08:12,840 --> 02:08:14,840
Speaker 1: my wife for a while, it's right, I don't need

2544
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:16,760
Speaker 1: to worry what she's up to. Right, there's a lot

2545
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:20,720
Speaker 1: of trust and faith, but to leave, you're sort of saying, like,

2546
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm taking off. We won't see each other. That's cool,

2547
02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:26,640
Speaker 1: but I realized that while I'm gone, you're dealing with

2548
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:30,680
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, yeah, a lot of responsibility. It's

2549
02:08:30,680 --> 02:08:32,480
Speaker 1: like a lot taking her little kids are heard. But

2550
02:08:32,720 --> 02:08:36,120
Speaker 1: uh so you wind up battling in your head between

2551
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:40,280
Speaker 1: this thing of down playing how long you be gone

2552
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:46,080
Speaker 1: or over playing how long you be gone. So you're

2553
02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:48,480
Speaker 1: sort of like you want to leave and everything's cool, right,

2554
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:51,520
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, yeah, probably just two three days because

2555
02:08:51,520 --> 02:08:54,240
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, that's not so bad, right if and

2556
02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:58,080
Speaker 1: then you feel that then if you want to stay longer,

2557
02:08:58,200 --> 02:09:01,280
Speaker 1: you're like, dah, I wish I would have been more truthful,

2558
02:09:01,480 --> 02:09:03,880
Speaker 1: But had I been more truthful, then I might not

2559
02:09:03,960 --> 02:09:07,880
Speaker 1: have left with the good blessing. Right. It's like you

2560
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:10,080
Speaker 1: you're gambling. You're gambling the way because you could come

2561
02:09:10,120 --> 02:09:13,080
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm going ten days and then they're

2562
02:09:13,120 --> 02:09:16,360
Speaker 1: annoyed and you come back earlier and it's cool, but

2563
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:19,000
Speaker 1: you're you're up in the chance that you're gonna leave

2564
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:23,160
Speaker 1: and they're already annoyed. Yeah, it's kind of a tough one.

2565
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:25,920
Speaker 1: A lot of times, like when the kids were little, Um,

2566
02:09:26,760 --> 02:09:29,280
Speaker 1: we would take the whole fam damnly to to help

2567
02:09:29,320 --> 02:09:32,200
Speaker 1: camp and Mama and the kids would hang out camp

2568
02:09:32,280 --> 02:09:35,080
Speaker 1: and getting the dirt and dig and build spears and

2569
02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:38,800
Speaker 1: do whatever else kids do it at a little kid age.

2570
02:09:39,160 --> 02:09:41,840
Speaker 1: And I go hunting, and I come back sometimes head

2571
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:43,920
Speaker 1: out in the morning, come back and sometimes come back

2572
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:45,800
Speaker 1: around lunch and go and then go back for an

2573
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:48,120
Speaker 1: evening hunter. Sometimes you'll be gone all day, depending on

2574
02:09:48,160 --> 02:09:51,520
Speaker 1: where the spot I was gonna hunt. Um. But that

2575
02:09:51,600 --> 02:09:55,240
Speaker 1: made a big difference too, because that that engages them,

2576
02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:57,040
Speaker 1: that gives them something fun to do that The kids

2577
02:09:57,120 --> 02:10:00,440
Speaker 1: love being being there. They understand what dad's doing. Um.

2578
02:10:00,760 --> 02:10:05,040
Speaker 1: And then um, as the teenagers got as they got teenagers,

2579
02:10:05,120 --> 02:10:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, then they have other responsibilities. You know, they're

2580
02:10:07,720 --> 02:10:09,800
Speaker 1: they're playing sports and stuff like that, and it's tough

2581
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:12,320
Speaker 1: for them to get away to go hunting with dad. Um.

2582
02:10:12,920 --> 02:10:15,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's why I don't think that's that's a

2583
02:10:15,160 --> 02:10:18,040
Speaker 1: good idea. Yeah. I always said we should have had

2584
02:10:18,080 --> 02:10:20,880
Speaker 1: our kids be bookworms, you know, and just like hell, yeah, man,

2585
02:10:21,120 --> 02:10:25,800
Speaker 1: heck with sports, you know, dirt bikes and and four

2586
02:10:25,800 --> 02:10:29,720
Speaker 1: wheelersion and scheduling and just where you can just go

2587
02:10:30,120 --> 02:10:31,920
Speaker 1: and enjoy the outdoors. That's the way to do it.

2588
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:35,040
Speaker 1: That's definitely the way to do it. Why don't know, Janni,

2589
02:10:35,080 --> 02:10:38,000
Speaker 1: they're supposed to have a far off bugle comp Someone

2590
02:10:38,040 --> 02:10:41,160
Speaker 1: actually asked for this. They wanted to be honest, Dirk

2591
02:10:41,240 --> 02:10:45,440
Speaker 1: and Jason to do a no call whistling only who

2592
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:47,960
Speaker 1: can do the best way far off elk oh, I

2593
02:10:48,040 --> 02:10:52,160
Speaker 1: got this? Oh you did you do this too? Like

2594
02:10:52,240 --> 02:10:54,600
Speaker 1: when I tell a story, you know, okay, I've only happened.

2595
02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:57,400
Speaker 1: I've told this story once before. It's only worked once

2596
02:10:57,480 --> 02:10:59,480
Speaker 1: for me. But we were walking along the area you

2597
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:02,880
Speaker 1: actually did, says a hunch along as the irrigation along

2598
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:06,200
Speaker 1: in the irrigation ditch and George Brown leave his name was.

2599
02:11:06,680 --> 02:11:08,440
Speaker 1: He's like, have you ever heard of guys whistling for

2600
02:11:08,600 --> 02:11:11,040
Speaker 1: tbugle bulls? It's like no, never have its like give

2601
02:11:11,120 --> 02:11:16,480
Speaker 1: a shot, you know just what kind of stood there?

2602
02:11:16,640 --> 02:11:19,200
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden I just hear hoofs coming

2603
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:23,840
Speaker 1: and coming up the hill. I mean there's calves and

2604
02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:26,280
Speaker 1: cows and I can see a brand Chandler bull coming

2605
02:11:26,760 --> 02:11:30,200
Speaker 1: and they literally ran by us and just went on

2606
02:11:30,360 --> 02:11:31,760
Speaker 1: up the timber and we had and it was late

2607
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:33,360
Speaker 1: in the morning, so we're like, all right, we'll come back,

2608
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:34,960
Speaker 1: and we got we know where there's out for the

2609
02:11:35,040 --> 02:11:38,440
Speaker 1: evening hunt. But I don't think I've ever gotten response since,

2610
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:42,160
Speaker 1: and it was just coincidence. I've never got a response

2611
02:11:42,760 --> 02:11:55,800
Speaker 1: one that's a whole different approach it again. Read yeah,

2612
02:11:56,080 --> 02:11:59,760
Speaker 1: my west line working. That doesn't have that that lonesome

2613
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:08,160
Speaker 1: distant sound. It's got the reverb though. James Phelps, Wow,

2614
02:12:08,360 --> 02:12:18,120
Speaker 1: that was pretty sight the chap Man, it was really

2615
02:12:18,200 --> 02:12:25,800
Speaker 1: it was really windy. Word. I can't whistle? Apparently I

2616
02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:35,920
Speaker 1: can't either. That's going it's some kind of weird bird

2617
02:12:36,080 --> 02:12:43,880
Speaker 1: seth whistle man, I can't wis had a wooden whistle,

2618
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:45,200
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't whistle. That was the thing my dad

2619
02:12:45,320 --> 02:12:47,960
Speaker 1: used to say. One last fun one, if you could

2620
02:12:48,040 --> 02:12:51,920
Speaker 1: only hunt with one September fift would you bring your

2621
02:12:51,960 --> 02:12:56,920
Speaker 1: binos or bring your calls? Calls? Calls? Where's that question?

2622
02:12:57,040 --> 02:13:00,520
Speaker 1: Steve bos Are called, did you say a date? Yes,

2623
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:03,960
Speaker 1: September fifteen? He doesn't say a date. Why are you corrupting?

2624
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:10,520
Speaker 1: The person's question? Is the crowdsourced or not. It is.

2625
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm just making it better. I'm hunting on September fifteen,

2626
02:13:14,160 --> 02:13:15,960
Speaker 1: and I could have my vinyals or my calls. I'll

2627
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:20,160
Speaker 1: have my calls because I'm presumably bow hunting. Yea, yeah,

2628
02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:24,040
Speaker 1: i'd be fine. Oh yeah, I can locate out just

2629
02:13:24,240 --> 02:13:26,840
Speaker 1: fine with my with my eyeballs. And if it was

2630
02:13:26,920 --> 02:13:32,520
Speaker 1: November one, everybody would choose binoculars. November one, I'm switching,

2631
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:35,240
Speaker 1: so it was a time of year when you'd go

2632
02:13:35,240 --> 02:13:37,960
Speaker 1: out with your nyals and not your calls. That's true.

2633
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:41,440
Speaker 1: Calls salesman, you could be doing some reverse psychology right

2634
02:13:41,480 --> 02:13:46,400
Speaker 1: now like that and earlier saying that in August, late August,

2635
02:13:46,720 --> 02:13:49,040
Speaker 1: you might not use a call at all, because then

2636
02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:51,160
Speaker 1: people are gonna be like, I trust this person. Yeah,

2637
02:13:51,240 --> 02:13:53,440
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm doing. I'm gonna buy his calls

2638
02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:56,720
Speaker 1: because he's not slimy and ye but I actually went

2639
02:13:56,800 --> 02:14:00,760
Speaker 1: up selling. We should back that up. He's pretty trustworthy. Fella. Oh,

2640
02:14:00,840 --> 02:14:03,920
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's obvious he wouldn't be

2641
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:05,560
Speaker 1: in here hanging out if you was slimmy. I think

2642
02:14:05,600 --> 02:14:08,760
Speaker 1: from this conversation, you just call vortex, you get a

2643
02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:11,440
Speaker 1: collap go on and you integrate a call into the

2644
02:14:11,480 --> 02:14:14,800
Speaker 1: buyos bagle to BUYO are you blow into the eyepiece

2645
02:14:14,840 --> 02:14:20,000
Speaker 1: in it and it doesn't fog up? Okay? What else?

2646
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:25,640
Speaker 1: We got anything? Questions? Anybody else? Seth cal you anything

2647
02:14:25,680 --> 02:14:31,040
Speaker 1: you want to add or ask? M No, no, no,

2648
02:14:31,200 --> 02:14:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean I like like all this stuff. Do questions

2649
02:14:34,360 --> 02:14:37,000
Speaker 1: for you. Someone wants to know if you have any

2650
02:14:37,120 --> 02:14:41,600
Speaker 1: plans for a fawn and distress call for black tails.

2651
02:14:42,440 --> 02:14:45,000
Speaker 1: We've got one cal last time we talked about this

2652
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:46,600
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I think I sold all of them

2653
02:14:46,640 --> 02:14:48,800
Speaker 1: we had. Um, no, we've We've got a phone in

2654
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:51,320
Speaker 1: distress call already. That really I go out and play

2655
02:14:51,360 --> 02:14:52,760
Speaker 1: with the does and phones in my yard right now

2656
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:55,800
Speaker 1: and it's it's the coolest thing ever. I have, uh,

2657
02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:58,760
Speaker 1: a bit of a hoarding problem with these calls because

2658
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:03,240
Speaker 1: I do find a blow them out. Um they're awesome

2659
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:05,560
Speaker 1: though they would the best. I love them. And we can,

2660
02:15:05,640 --> 02:15:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's the one thing to get that phone

2661
02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:09,120
Speaker 1: distress as perfect as a pretty light read, but we can.

2662
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:11,720
Speaker 1: We also offer replacement reads to see in a tool

2663
02:15:11,800 --> 02:15:15,640
Speaker 1: just there. Yeah, what are you using those? Like? You

2664
02:15:15,680 --> 02:15:18,760
Speaker 1: know what hunting situation? I started messing around with him

2665
02:15:18,760 --> 02:15:23,920
Speaker 1: a lot um with mule deer and like during rifle season,

2666
02:15:24,120 --> 02:15:28,760
Speaker 1: and I started and then like, there there's no better

2667
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:32,280
Speaker 1: tool for black bear hunting. I absolutely love them for

2668
02:15:32,360 --> 02:15:35,200
Speaker 1: black bear because it solves some issues I find that

2669
02:15:35,880 --> 02:15:40,360
Speaker 1: immature bears. It's very similar to like when you're calling

2670
02:15:40,440 --> 02:15:43,400
Speaker 1: out one of the scenarios that you guys described, but

2671
02:15:44,080 --> 02:15:47,320
Speaker 1: when you're kind of ringing a dinner bell with highly

2672
02:15:47,400 --> 02:15:50,960
Speaker 1: competitive predators, only the big ones are going to come

2673
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:54,840
Speaker 1: into that phone call. And typically from what I've seen

2674
02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:59,680
Speaker 1: totally anecdotal, typically from what I've seen, their bores. One time,

2675
02:15:59,720 --> 02:16:03,600
Speaker 1: I was I had a fun distress call and I

2676
02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:07,200
Speaker 1: was in southeast Alaska and I was creeping up on

2677
02:16:07,240 --> 02:16:10,000
Speaker 1: a bear and I got where he was down in

2678
02:16:10,080 --> 02:16:12,640
Speaker 1: a channel. There's a big grass flat like an estuary,

2679
02:16:12,920 --> 02:16:16,040
Speaker 1: and he's down a channel. I couldn't see him. And

2680
02:16:16,120 --> 02:16:19,200
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, the call and he'll obviously

2681
02:16:19,280 --> 02:16:22,960
Speaker 1: come running up out of there. And I started blowing

2682
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:25,960
Speaker 1: the call and out of the woods across the grass flat.

2683
02:16:26,160 --> 02:16:33,520
Speaker 1: Out of the woods comes uh blacktail dough piste runs

2684
02:16:33,680 --> 02:16:37,080
Speaker 1: right through where I thought the bear was, crosses the channel,

2685
02:16:37,160 --> 02:16:40,680
Speaker 1: pops up on my side right in my face, stomps

2686
02:16:40,720 --> 02:16:43,600
Speaker 1: all around, gets all mad, goes back the where she

2687
02:16:43,720 --> 02:16:47,760
Speaker 1: came from, and I'm like, oh, so something obviously happened.

2688
02:16:47,800 --> 02:16:49,360
Speaker 1: The bear's gone or whatever he would she would have

2689
02:16:49,480 --> 02:16:51,480
Speaker 1: come through there, And I walk over and look down

2690
02:16:51,520 --> 02:16:54,080
Speaker 1: in that bear is still sitting there eating grass. So

2691
02:16:54,280 --> 02:16:57,200
Speaker 1: not only was he not interested in the call, he

2692
02:16:57,320 --> 02:16:59,840
Speaker 1: was not interested in the piste off dough that basically

2693
02:17:00,120 --> 02:17:05,560
Speaker 1: ran him over and never broke stride. Yeah, it's like

2694
02:17:05,879 --> 02:17:08,280
Speaker 1: it's so hard to tell. And then the thing that

2695
02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:10,160
Speaker 1: makes the thing so funny, it's the same trip we

2696
02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:11,720
Speaker 1: had one trying to climb in the boat with us

2697
02:17:13,720 --> 02:17:16,080
Speaker 1: where we pulled up and I just like beach the boat.

2698
02:17:16,680 --> 02:17:18,280
Speaker 1: Didn't even get out of the boat and blew a

2699
02:17:18,360 --> 02:17:21,320
Speaker 1: call and you can't shoot from a boat there, blew

2700
02:17:21,360 --> 02:17:23,640
Speaker 1: a call and I'm up in the front of boat,

2701
02:17:23,640 --> 02:17:25,240
Speaker 1: my buddies in the back, so it's real deep, you know,

2702
02:17:25,560 --> 02:17:28,440
Speaker 1: And uh, I started we were like watching his bear,

2703
02:17:28,480 --> 02:17:30,080
Speaker 1: and we kind of lost track him. So he knows

2704
02:17:30,120 --> 02:17:31,879
Speaker 1: the boat up into the gravel and I'm just standing

2705
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:33,560
Speaker 1: on the front seat and I started calling and this

2706
02:17:33,680 --> 02:17:35,760
Speaker 1: bear is like I'm gonna get it, Like he looked

2707
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:37,360
Speaker 1: like he's gonna get in the boat, and I'm telling

2708
02:17:37,440 --> 02:17:40,560
Speaker 1: my buddy get out of the boat and shoot. But

2709
02:17:40,640 --> 02:17:44,080
Speaker 1: it's real deep where we pulled up. Remember, Like, who

2710
02:17:44,120 --> 02:17:45,760
Speaker 1: care he didn't want to jump out because he'd got

2711
02:17:45,840 --> 02:17:48,000
Speaker 1: so wet if he jumped out of the boat. But

2712
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:50,240
Speaker 1: it's like the different moods they're in and you know

2713
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:52,040
Speaker 1: what I mean, like what they got going on, it's

2714
02:17:52,120 --> 02:17:55,000
Speaker 1: so funny, like the different attitude because that fun and

2715
02:17:55,080 --> 02:17:58,880
Speaker 1: distress called to like I've hit it at times and

2716
02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:04,040
Speaker 1: seen reform of life run out of the canyon as

2717
02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:08,840
Speaker 1: fast as possible. Yeah, they're killing stuff in here, exactly,

2718
02:18:08,959 --> 02:18:14,080
Speaker 1: everybody out. It's like that scene in uh was that

2719
02:18:14,280 --> 02:18:17,320
Speaker 1: Ballad of Buster scribed the Ballad of Buster scrob Yeah,

2720
02:18:17,400 --> 02:18:20,080
Speaker 1: when the when the minor when Tom Waits rolls into

2721
02:18:20,120 --> 02:18:26,920
Speaker 1: the base. Yeah, that's great. Alright, Any closers, what's new?

2722
02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:30,400
Speaker 1: What's anything on the horizon. We're gonna we're gonna work

2723
02:18:30,440 --> 02:18:32,520
Speaker 1: on the Deer coal line, Predator coal line. We've got

2724
02:18:32,640 --> 02:18:35,039
Speaker 1: a few new things, um on the Olt coal line.

2725
02:18:35,240 --> 02:18:37,600
Speaker 1: But um, you know, just just going down that road

2726
02:18:37,600 --> 02:18:39,039
Speaker 1: trying to kind of fill in the rest. And we've

2727
02:18:39,080 --> 02:18:41,320
Speaker 1: been been pretty busy on the turkey on the olt

2728
02:18:41,360 --> 02:18:43,200
Speaker 1: call side, and then just trying to kind of wrap

2729
02:18:43,320 --> 02:18:45,680
Speaker 1: up the whole line from start to finish. So we're

2730
02:18:45,720 --> 02:18:47,920
Speaker 1: just you're gonna put some pressure on test a bunch

2731
02:18:47,920 --> 02:18:50,720
Speaker 1: of new products as falling, then hopefully have some releases

2732
02:18:50,800 --> 02:18:53,560
Speaker 1: next year. You know what calls you think of you

2733
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:56,080
Speaker 1: in our call, I think you ought to do. I

2734
02:18:56,120 --> 02:19:00,080
Speaker 1: think you should devote some time to uh make and

2735
02:19:00,760 --> 02:19:07,360
Speaker 1: blue grouse calls who no, no, no, no, not not

2736
02:19:07,480 --> 02:19:10,480
Speaker 1: a rough grouse drumming, but blue grouse for spring blue

2737
02:19:10,520 --> 02:19:17,400
Speaker 1: grouse hunting in Alaska, and you can make the female call. M.

2738
02:19:18,720 --> 02:19:21,560
Speaker 1: This is the whole thing. Listen, this is like what

2739
02:19:21,680 --> 02:19:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now. What I'm telling you right now.

2740
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:27,200
Speaker 1: It would be like if let's let's imagine that it's

2741
02:19:28,840 --> 02:19:30,120
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what someone ought to do

2742
02:19:30,280 --> 02:19:33,320
Speaker 1: is find a way to make a elk bugle noise.

2743
02:19:34,120 --> 02:19:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm giving you that right now. All right, all right,

2744
02:19:35,800 --> 02:19:38,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna I'm giving you that right now. I'm telling

2745
02:19:38,040 --> 02:19:41,000
Speaker 1: you something that's gonna like paying your time capsule will

2746
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:44,119
Speaker 1: open it in thirty years and you'll be like, man,

2747
02:19:44,280 --> 02:19:45,640
Speaker 1: I can't believe I didn't do it. Because it turned

2748
02:19:45,640 --> 02:19:47,480
Speaker 1: into this huge thing and I had it laying right

2749
02:19:47,520 --> 02:19:48,920
Speaker 1: and I had it later right in my lap. Don't

2750
02:19:48,959 --> 02:19:52,720
Speaker 1: ignore that. Seek a deer market in Maryland either, Yeah,

2751
02:19:54,320 --> 02:19:56,400
Speaker 1: so I that might be something because those guys all

2752
02:19:56,480 --> 02:20:00,960
Speaker 1: run around with your kidding. They run around with European

2753
02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:04,959
Speaker 1: made calls. You can't have that, God bless America. Yeah,

2754
02:20:05,080 --> 02:20:12,800
Speaker 1: don rome fells the old Europe We've we've been, so

2755
02:20:12,879 --> 02:20:20,720
Speaker 1: you guys are all over this. No that look that

2756
02:20:20,879 --> 02:20:24,720
Speaker 1: up YouTube sounds just like it. No, because we're pros man.

2757
02:20:26,080 --> 02:20:29,560
Speaker 1: We've heard him. You've heard him many many many times.

2758
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:32,640
Speaker 1: And one thing he doesn't something like that way too elaborate.

2759
02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:37,400
Speaker 1: In Maryland they go three packs, not nearly that long.

2760
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:40,280
Speaker 1: So I got a guy hunting in New Zealand. We know,

2761
02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:44,400
Speaker 1: oh that might be holding his sounds just like that. No,

2762
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:48,400
Speaker 1: they're like three little shorts toilet water spins the opposite

2763
02:20:48,440 --> 02:20:56,680
Speaker 1: way down there too. All right, So, um, you're not

2764
02:20:56,800 --> 02:20:58,520
Speaker 1: you're you're You're probably gonna get get into the blue

2765
02:20:58,760 --> 02:21:02,440
Speaker 1: the blue grouse, not blue, asked the blue grouse market. Well,

2766
02:21:03,080 --> 02:21:06,080
Speaker 1: it's ducks like ducks. We have duck calls. I'm not

2767
02:21:06,760 --> 02:21:09,160
Speaker 1: a die hard duck guy. Um, so I reached out

2768
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:12,720
Speaker 1: to some guys in Oregon, Eric Strand. So, Eric Strands

2769
02:21:12,800 --> 02:21:15,320
Speaker 1: kind of in charge of our duck call um waterfowl

2770
02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:18,000
Speaker 1: goose call line. So I've kind of like to stay

2771
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:19,960
Speaker 1: in your lane. Pay. I don't want to try to

2772
02:21:20,040 --> 02:21:22,080
Speaker 1: pretend like I know what I'm doing on that side. Um,

2773
02:21:22,720 --> 02:21:24,280
Speaker 1: I'll go shoot them if they call him in for me,

2774
02:21:24,360 --> 02:21:27,039
Speaker 1: but I don't do that. Um, but we are, we're

2775
02:21:27,080 --> 02:21:30,440
Speaker 1: filling in outside so cool, Eric sans, So you need

2776
02:21:30,520 --> 02:21:32,039
Speaker 1: to be you want to be like a full one

2777
02:21:32,120 --> 02:21:33,920
Speaker 1: stop shop. Yeah, I just want to fill all the

2778
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:35,720
Speaker 1: lines in and get the right people. Like I said,

2779
02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm a turkey elk, a little bit of predator guy.

2780
02:21:38,360 --> 02:21:40,600
Speaker 1: You know, I'm comfortable in that sector. But um, in

2781
02:21:40,760 --> 02:21:42,000
Speaker 1: order to bring some of these other things, and I'm

2782
02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:44,000
Speaker 1: just gonna go find the best people that I can.

2783
02:21:45,120 --> 02:21:47,800
Speaker 1: So he's really good, really accomplished waterfowl caller, and and

2784
02:21:48,080 --> 02:21:50,800
Speaker 1: knows how to build him and tunes him. He tunes

2785
02:21:50,840 --> 02:21:55,200
Speaker 1: all of our waterfowl calls right now. So Dirt got

2786
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:59,160
Speaker 1: the concluders. You know what a concluder is? Final thoughts? Oh,

2787
02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:02,880
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it. Um. I think people give up

2788
02:22:02,920 --> 02:22:05,720
Speaker 1: on trying to learn how to call it up too quick. Um,

2789
02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:10,480
Speaker 1: they might their buddy says, hey, go get X call

2790
02:22:10,640 --> 02:22:13,200
Speaker 1: and try it. It works awesome, and they try it,

2791
02:22:13,720 --> 02:22:16,680
Speaker 1: they suck. They can't do it, so they're like, yeah,

2792
02:22:16,840 --> 02:22:18,560
Speaker 1: it ain't for me. You hear this a lot. You

2793
02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:21,560
Speaker 1: go to trade shows, like I can't do these calls,

2794
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:24,440
Speaker 1: and you hand one to a guy and kind of

2795
02:22:24,480 --> 02:22:26,160
Speaker 1: coach them a little bit, and pretty soon they're making

2796
02:22:26,200 --> 02:22:28,160
Speaker 1: noises and like, wow, I think I might be able

2797
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:31,480
Speaker 1: to do this after all. So um, people just give

2798
02:22:31,560 --> 02:22:34,640
Speaker 1: up pretty quick. I'm calling elkin. I mean, the best

2799
02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:36,520
Speaker 1: part about calling out because it's super fun. I mean,

2800
02:22:36,879 --> 02:22:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a it's a means to

2801
02:22:39,240 --> 02:22:41,160
Speaker 1: an end. I mean, you're trying to take a take

2802
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:44,080
Speaker 1: a beautiful elk home with you and have some delicious food.

2803
02:22:44,200 --> 02:22:46,640
Speaker 1: But um, it's sure it's fun too. It's it's like

2804
02:22:47,240 --> 02:22:49,640
Speaker 1: the best time you can have. There might not be

2805
02:22:49,959 --> 02:22:56,360
Speaker 1: any more fun to be had in the hunting universe. Absolutely,

2806
02:22:56,879 --> 02:22:58,720
Speaker 1: you kind of stole my concluer. I'm gonna keep it.

2807
02:22:58,800 --> 02:23:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna reuse it. Well, how long you've been practicing

2808
02:23:02,360 --> 02:23:04,560
Speaker 1: I've been doing this thirty years I've been calling out

2809
02:23:04,600 --> 02:23:07,840
Speaker 1: for thirty years, Um, and when did you stop improving?

2810
02:23:08,920 --> 02:23:11,200
Speaker 1: I get better every year. I pick up little things

2811
02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:13,920
Speaker 1: that like, Wow, that Elk did this, and like I

2812
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:15,880
Speaker 1: try to do it. You know, I'm big on, you know,

2813
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:18,920
Speaker 1: trying to mimic the alphabet because I want to sound

2814
02:23:18,959 --> 02:23:20,440
Speaker 1: like an ELK. I don't want to set you sound

2815
02:23:20,480 --> 02:23:22,200
Speaker 1: like me. So I'll try to pick up little things

2816
02:23:22,280 --> 02:23:25,640
Speaker 1: for Milk all the time. Um. I feel like we

2817
02:23:25,760 --> 02:23:28,080
Speaker 1: kind of make the same old rookie mistakes every year,

2818
02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:32,000
Speaker 1: just like everybody. But but but you you'll learn a

2819
02:23:32,080 --> 02:23:35,600
Speaker 1: lot every year. So um yeah, but I think, you know,

2820
02:23:35,680 --> 02:23:37,920
Speaker 1: people just give up on it too quick. Like, you know,

2821
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:40,320
Speaker 1: put some effort into it. It doesn't take an hour

2822
02:23:40,440 --> 02:23:43,720
Speaker 1: a day of practicing. If you practice five minutes a day,

2823
02:23:45,200 --> 02:23:47,720
Speaker 1: three times a week, you're starting. You'll start building that

2824
02:23:47,800 --> 02:23:49,520
Speaker 1: muscle memory of what to do with that call. When

2825
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:53,439
Speaker 1: you get in your mouth and you start in January,

2826
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:56,200
Speaker 1: by September, you're gonna be able to make some pretty

2827
02:23:56,240 --> 02:23:58,560
Speaker 1: darn good Elk noises. Especially with what the world we

2828
02:23:58,680 --> 02:24:01,160
Speaker 1: live in. I mean, we have YouTube and the Internet

2829
02:24:01,320 --> 02:24:03,959
Speaker 1: and there's all this information on how to use calls.

2830
02:24:04,520 --> 02:24:05,960
Speaker 1: We didn't have that one I as a kid. I mean,

2831
02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:08,920
Speaker 1: I had Larry D. Jones videos to watch and and

2832
02:24:09,240 --> 02:24:11,280
Speaker 1: try my best to make it and elp noise. When

2833
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:13,000
Speaker 1: I first started all hunting, I hadn't even heard a

2834
02:24:13,040 --> 02:24:19,240
Speaker 1: really elk bugle before before September first, you know, And

2835
02:24:19,879 --> 02:24:21,440
Speaker 1: that was the first time I heard an elk bugle.

2836
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:24,200
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Okay, I getta figure that I sound different,

2837
02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:26,160
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna try to figure it out. By the

2838
02:24:26,280 --> 02:24:28,000
Speaker 1: end of that season, I sounded pretty good. You know,

2839
02:24:28,280 --> 02:24:31,680
Speaker 1: all things considered, caught on pretty good. But people just

2840
02:24:31,800 --> 02:24:35,840
Speaker 1: need to to to practice, not give up, and have

2841
02:24:35,959 --> 02:24:38,800
Speaker 1: faith in their calls. What do you got, seth is

2842
02:24:38,840 --> 02:24:42,400
Speaker 1: about trip problem beavers? Yeah exactly. Um, send us your

2843
02:24:42,440 --> 02:24:48,000
Speaker 1: problem beaver spots, send us an email. You know, we politest.

2844
02:24:48,320 --> 02:24:51,039
Speaker 1: We'll bring you some cook beaver meat. No road messing,

2845
02:24:51,280 --> 02:24:56,080
Speaker 1: no road messing. Yeah, we're the real deal, you know, fostering.

2846
02:24:56,160 --> 02:24:59,280
Speaker 1: We'll bring little kids out, cute little kids out, introducing

2847
02:24:59,400 --> 02:25:02,200
Speaker 1: kids to the wa. He's gotta come up with a

2848
02:25:02,360 --> 02:25:11,040
Speaker 1: name for your operation, oh man, flip flop flash or yeah,

2849
02:25:11,680 --> 02:25:15,960
Speaker 1: do you any other concluder stuff? Um, I'm pretty stowed

2850
02:25:15,959 --> 02:25:17,800
Speaker 1: for elk season. Now after all that just got you

2851
02:25:17,879 --> 02:25:23,760
Speaker 1: fired up? Oh yeah, yeah, I do. Um yeah. Here

2852
02:25:23,800 --> 02:25:30,720
Speaker 1: in that first bugle from from Jason, that's it, Like

2853
02:25:30,840 --> 02:25:34,199
Speaker 1: I like the elk noises make me start thinking about

2854
02:25:34,240 --> 02:25:36,560
Speaker 1: what the hell am I doing this office? You just

2855
02:25:36,600 --> 02:25:40,960
Speaker 1: started getting ready. I would recommend all the people that

2856
02:25:41,000 --> 02:25:43,240
Speaker 1: are all fired up right now and they're going to

2857
02:25:43,640 --> 02:25:47,240
Speaker 1: uh Phelps's website to buy themselves a gray and a

2858
02:25:47,480 --> 02:25:52,680
Speaker 1: black am they should also get one of Phelps's external

2859
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:56,760
Speaker 1: read single read cal calls. You guys call it the

2860
02:25:58,200 --> 02:26:02,480
Speaker 1: the easy astress. Can you get the different with or

2861
02:26:02,560 --> 02:26:05,119
Speaker 1: is that you got a call that's kind of special order?

2862
02:26:05,160 --> 02:26:09,600
Speaker 1: But we're pretty we've got great customer service here. Just

2863
02:26:09,720 --> 02:26:11,760
Speaker 1: let us know, I mean, put it in the comments.

2864
02:26:11,800 --> 02:26:13,320
Speaker 1: We do make a bunch of stuff, but I just

2865
02:26:13,360 --> 02:26:15,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to skew ourselves. If you want something different,

2866
02:26:15,640 --> 02:26:17,560
Speaker 1: one of deeper sounding calcoul let us know and we'll

2867
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:20,280
Speaker 1: make it happen. Yeah, but that's it to me, that's

2868
02:26:20,280 --> 02:26:22,720
Speaker 1: a pretty easy call to I think for beginners and

2869
02:26:22,840 --> 02:26:25,280
Speaker 1: some people that if you're just really struggling with the

2870
02:26:25,360 --> 02:26:28,240
Speaker 1: gag thing and you're just you know, diagragms aren't going

2871
02:26:28,360 --> 02:26:32,080
Speaker 1: for it. Man, those external reads I don't leave home

2872
02:26:32,160 --> 02:26:35,760
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, they're super effective. My concluders is a

2873
02:26:35,840 --> 02:26:41,120
Speaker 1: note on calling in general, where it's easy to view

2874
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:43,280
Speaker 1: when you start out hunting or you start out trying

2875
02:26:43,280 --> 02:26:45,080
Speaker 1: to hunt something new, it's easy to view it as

2876
02:26:45,160 --> 02:26:49,280
Speaker 1: it's all about the end. You know. Um, it's just

2877
02:26:49,360 --> 02:26:50,640
Speaker 1: like what I'll do whatever I need to do to

2878
02:26:50,680 --> 02:26:55,240
Speaker 1: try to get one. And you think about when we

2879
02:26:55,360 --> 02:26:57,400
Speaker 1: first started hunting turkeys. You know, we were aware that

2880
02:26:57,480 --> 02:26:59,600
Speaker 1: calling turkeys was the thing, but we just bushwhag them.

2881
02:26:59,680 --> 02:27:02,040
Speaker 1: We get we find one goblin, we glass one up

2882
02:27:02,120 --> 02:27:04,720
Speaker 1: and belly crawling on wait from to make a mistake

2883
02:27:05,840 --> 02:27:08,040
Speaker 1: and um, and then later when you realize like like

2884
02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:12,080
Speaker 1: to call something. Ah, man, it's just different. It's so

2885
02:27:12,600 --> 02:27:14,680
Speaker 1: much more fun. And when you learn how to do,

2886
02:27:14,720 --> 02:27:19,000
Speaker 1: it's effective. And it's like there's certain scenarios. You know,

2887
02:27:19,240 --> 02:27:23,000
Speaker 1: if you lay your decoys out and you're calling ducks

2888
02:27:23,080 --> 02:27:25,880
Speaker 1: and you can you keep getting like birds coming in

2889
02:27:25,959 --> 02:27:28,160
Speaker 1: with cupped wings and the birds coming with cuped wings,

2890
02:27:29,080 --> 02:27:30,440
Speaker 1: and you wind up at the end of the day whatever,

2891
02:27:30,480 --> 02:27:31,840
Speaker 1: you got four of them, and you could have got

2892
02:27:31,879 --> 02:27:35,720
Speaker 1: four jump shooting. It's just different. It's so much more fulfilling.

2893
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:39,040
Speaker 1: It's like you're just seeing It's like you're seeing something

2894
02:27:39,160 --> 02:27:42,000
Speaker 1: happen and the and oftentimes these things wind up helping

2895
02:27:42,040 --> 02:27:44,400
Speaker 1: you have more end result too, even though it takes

2896
02:27:44,480 --> 02:27:48,720
Speaker 1: longer to get there. I'm very happy that, uh, to

2897
02:27:48,879 --> 02:27:53,680
Speaker 1: have UM, very happy to have like figured that out

2898
02:27:53,800 --> 02:27:56,760
Speaker 1: with turkeys, figure that out with ducks. We used to

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Speaker 1: belly crawl ducks when we were kids with belly crawl

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Speaker 1: ducks and jump shoot us. But then later like taking

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Speaker 1: the time to learn how to call him. It my god,

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Speaker 1: just so much more. It's so much more rewarding and

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Speaker 1: why and as far as exhilaration, UM, in the hunting world,

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Speaker 1: even beyond the hunt world, to have a you know,

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Speaker 1: some six seven pound bowl screaming in your face is

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Speaker 1: just like it is unnerving in the best possible way.

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Speaker 1: And you fooled that wild animal to come into your calls,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the best. If I don't take him home

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Speaker 1: with me, that's okay. But I fooled that sucker into

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Speaker 1: coming in and I saw him. It's almost like counting

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Speaker 1: coup on him, you know, And it's almost it's almost

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Speaker 1: like that, you know, it tests your metal man, like

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Speaker 1: I don't care. You might think you have nerves and steel,

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Speaker 1: you know, but uh, when that's going on, it's so

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Speaker 1: hard to keep your head together. I'm sure it gets less,

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Speaker 1: but it's just like you're just like, wow, this thing

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Speaker 1: is it's just like this deafening sound from this huge

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Speaker 1: slobbering you know what I mean, snapping trees and half

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Speaker 1: with his antlers, and it's just it's really something to see.

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Speaker 1: It's really something to see. Anything else. Oh, plug the

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Speaker 1: You guys do you guys are on the Instagram? Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were pretty active, lots of inspiring bull bull out photos.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. The battle between our our calls is alive

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Speaker 1: and well. But we're at Phelps game calls, Phelps game calls,

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