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Speaker 5: I actually got one of the free tote bags they
Speaker 5: had available in the conference room, and I have to
Speaker 5: confess the toad is a little bigger than my average
Speaker 5: tote bag, so I find myself carrying a whole secondary
Speaker 5: clause it with me to work. Occasionally. I think it's
Speaker 5: they're quite dandy. Did you get one?
Speaker 6: I certainly did get.
Speaker 4: Have you brought it to the farmer's market?
Speaker 5: You know, I have brought it to the farmers market
Speaker 5: and you get.
Speaker 4: One more avocado than normal?
Speaker 5: You know, it definitely made me a little bit freer
Speaker 5: with the spending, probably, to be honest.
Speaker 6: More some room for the more the more robust charred.
Speaker 6: It's probably not even poking out of the top.
Speaker 4: Maybe you could even have a crazy one and get
Speaker 4: the mango chutney.
Speaker 5: Oh there could have been room for that. I I
Speaker 5: must confess there's a little bit of charred stuck at
Speaker 5: the bottom of the bag still. So I went this
Speaker 5: Sunday to atwater.
Speaker 6: It's going to wilts. That's going to wils.
Speaker 3: You've got to take that chart out and get into
Speaker 3: the fridge, or maybe clean it up with some water,
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 4: Say, baking soda.
Speaker 3: I just read a really interesting article that's a chart
Speaker 3: is actually more acidic than we think it is. Say, really, yeah,
Speaker 3: we understand most vegetables are base, but charred is one
Speaker 3: of the acidic ones.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll definitely be thinking twice the next time I
Speaker 5: put it in my minestroni.
Speaker 6: Interesting thing.
Speaker 4: I love a minnestroni.
Speaker 3: Nothing more better than you know. It reminds me of
Speaker 3: when Grandma used to make ministroni when I was young.
Speaker 3: She had a very specific recipe. She's a Russian Lithuanian
Speaker 3: moved and migrated here my parents did, and so she
Speaker 3: followed them. And you know, she still takes the country Lithuania.
Speaker 3: Every time I saw her, I always was wondering, what
Speaker 3: is this about her? And I recently took a trip
Speaker 3: to Lithuanian and I realized so much of my life
Speaker 3: was Lithuanian because my grandma.
Speaker 6: Wow, your grandma's Lithuanian Minnestronian.
Speaker 4: I think what's so funny about our culture is that
Speaker 4: sometimes you'll be sipping on a bowl of minestrone, and
Speaker 4: in a way, that's a bowl of your culture you're
Speaker 4: sipping in history.
Speaker 6: I have read this recent book about the Minestroni index.
Speaker 4: I love the Minestronian decks.
Speaker 6: It's fantastic look at cultures and diasporas and the way
Speaker 6: that you can judge a culture based on its minestronian
Speaker 6: and they found in many ways the ingredients that make
Speaker 6: up the minestrone reflect reflect the culture itself, and the
Speaker 6: more ingredients in a minnestrone, the more diverse a culture too.
Speaker 5: Well, in a way, I think that that cooking is
Speaker 5: sort of it's almost like I like to say, a
Speaker 5: font if you if you'll allow this metaphor, because a
Speaker 5: font is the same word but typed a slightly different way.
Speaker 5: And I think with minnestroni, we all bring a little
Speaker 5: piece of ourselves to the table. So you know, I
Speaker 5: enjoyed that book very much.
Speaker 4: With the minestroni it did make me think of a
Speaker 4: recent purchase I just made from an independent bookstore in
Speaker 4: the back of an alley in London, and it's the
Speaker 4: soup Tarot Cards soup and the five of Us believe
Speaker 4: it or not, is a cup of ministry.
Speaker 3: Well, I just love it because I recently read a
Speaker 3: small excerpt in a web magazine I follow called New
Speaker 3: York New York It's beautiful kind of Indie, and it
Speaker 3: was talking about the history of tarot cards and how
Speaker 3: so much medieval culture is actually insinuated in the tarot card.
Speaker 3: And as much as we try to move into a
Speaker 3: more Roman Catholic understanding of the world, and now moving
Speaker 3: past Roman Catholic into Agnosticism, we still have Druidic, Celtic,
Speaker 3: Anglo Saxon type of ties.
Speaker 6: That's very interesting to me because I actually just interviewed
Speaker 6: LATINX graffiti artists who just released her own tarot cards.
Speaker 6: Her name is Maya Fica. She's amazing Los Angeles and
Speaker 6: she's making this incredible set of tarot cards that reflects
Speaker 6: her cult.
Speaker 5: Sure, it's very interesting. I was actually speaking to a
Speaker 5: I interviewed for a profile on the Streets of Las Vegas,
Speaker 5: a non binary magician who is using tarot. As you know,
Speaker 5: magicians kind of have always taken just the standard deck
Speaker 5: of playing cards as the titular pick a card. But
Speaker 5: this artist kind of challenges the notion of that and says,
Speaker 5: what if we picked a tarot card, What if we
Speaker 5: challenged the audience members to remember a card from a
Speaker 5: different time difference?
Speaker 3: Well, you said your.
Speaker 6: Card, is this your future?
Speaker 3: That's beautiful?
Speaker 4: You said challenge And that made me think of yesterday.
Speaker 4: I had a jasmine tea bag. Looked at the tea
Speaker 4: bag and on on the tag of it it said
Speaker 4: challenge yourself today. And I think it's funny you brought
Speaker 4: up the sense and the idea of being challenged within
Speaker 4: a deck of cards, because like we talk about culture,
Speaker 4: and we talk about talking to our ancestors, and how
Speaker 4: much of that is a challenge and how much of
Speaker 4: that is a tea back?
Speaker 5: Well, you mentioned ancestor. Well, I I was recently in
Speaker 5: an ancestral ballpit. Have you been to an ancestral.
Speaker 4: Ball Interesting they have the.
Speaker 6: Hancock bark.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's an ancestral ballpin, and it's sort of like
Speaker 5: uh imagining it's it's done by a former employee of
Speaker 5: the former designer of the McDonald's play Pet.
Speaker 3: Place and Story.
Speaker 6: Have you read that book about him?
Speaker 4: It's an incredible really, I mean powerful incredible.
Speaker 5: The opioid crisis has affected America in many ways and
Speaker 5: in funky ways and in funky ways, and ballpit designers
Speaker 5: are are not immune to that. And yeah, they found
Speaker 5: themselves struck struck between the the jovial nature of the
Speaker 5: ballpit and his ancestral ties to opioids.
Speaker 3: And that is so interesting for me because I just
Speaker 3: recently interviewed. Yesterday, I was interviewing Sukioheda, who is a
Speaker 3: wonderful Japanese artist, a dear friend, and focused on joy
Speaker 3: and Suki Waterhouse, we kind of had this wonderful debate
Speaker 3: discussion about is joy appropriative or appreciative? If we're if
Speaker 3: we celebrate joy in the Japanese classical sense of the word,
Speaker 3: are we being appropriative with Japanese culture or are we
Speaker 3: appreciating Japanese culture by ensuing and taking in joy?
Speaker 4: Have you all ever had an authentic Japanese tea bag?
Speaker 3: Yes, of course, yes.
Speaker 4: It makes you think how many things are we repurposing
Speaker 4: as Americans, even down to the water drop.
Speaker 6: I mean incredible visual artist by the name of Chess Redcorn.
Speaker 6: And he is, of course an indigit artist, and he's
Speaker 6: a fantastic mas and he is making a lot of
Speaker 6: incredible visual art, found object art, you know. And he's
Speaker 6: repurposing those Native Americans that used to see outside of
Speaker 6: cigar stores. He's building them out of fast food containers.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 4: I just read a book on the origins. Do you
Speaker 4: guys remember ten years ago when la was littered with
Speaker 4: those angel statues?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I read a book on a woman who made
Speaker 4: it her mission to visit each and while she made
Speaker 4: it her mission, she's very friend of mine.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Really during that journey, Yes, her name is Bethany. Bethany,
Speaker 4: during that journey she lost her mother. So the book
Speaker 4: is this beautiful coffee table book and it's pictures of
Speaker 4: each of the angels, and halfway through it's a beautiful
Speaker 4: rest and reflection on loss. And then she goes right
Speaker 4: back into the angel statues. And I find that someone
Speaker 4: makes a piece of art and something happens to them
Speaker 4: in their life in the middle of making a piece
Speaker 4: of art. I find that rich.
Speaker 5: Text the context of an art really change, Yes, it
Speaker 5: changes the meaning of the art. And it's interesting. I
Speaker 5: was talking to this painter who has been painting old
Speaker 5: toilet paper squares and they have been recontextualizing this toilet
Speaker 5: paper square.
Speaker 4: To American American toilet paper.
Speaker 5: Yes, but appellation got deep, deep appellation. I expected a
Speaker 5: deep appalation artist who has these toilet paper squares and
Speaker 5: they have been insulating their home with them. Now, because
Speaker 5: it is not just the paintings that we paint for aesthetics, right,
Speaker 5: is also the paintings we paint to re contextualize our home.
Speaker 6: We talk about the home. You know, you guys, guys
Speaker 6: read Roxanne's Roxanne Gay's new book about Home.
Speaker 3: Yes, and of course I've read a few excerpts and
Speaker 3: I haven't dived in fully.
Speaker 4: It's a beautiful book.
Speaker 6: I mean the concept of home, what is it? And
Speaker 6: what are we? And where are we when we are home?
Speaker 6: And how home can feel so alien to so many people.
Speaker 3: I actually, you know that's so beautiful because the Mocha
Speaker 3: is doing a beautiful exhibit on the African diaspora. Are
Speaker 3: you curious? Oh, you curated that amazing.
Speaker 5: But you that's interesting that you claimed that you curated it.
Speaker 3: Because well, I talk about that. I read a Facebook
Speaker 3: post the other day about how sometimes friendship can be
Speaker 3: stronger than what you do in the new world. In
Speaker 3: internet world, sometimes you can feel the brain feels that
Speaker 3: you've done something even when you're seeing a friend do
Speaker 3: it online. The same type of endorphins your brain will
Speaker 3: release it.
Speaker 5: Yes, there's a Siberian Siberian psychologist who talks about a
Speaker 5: yogo o no yes, oh yeah, and they yeah, yoko no.
Speaker 5: And they talk about the the the value and the
Speaker 5: importance of weak ties. Right, the weak ties. The male
Speaker 5: man that you say hi to, the grosser that you
Speaker 5: say hi to, the the woman pushing her cart around
Speaker 5: at the same time that you are pushing your baby.
Speaker 5: It's these structures that sort of create the fabric of
Speaker 5: human existence and create the fabric of connections.
Speaker 6: You know, I just feel like I've been attacked right
Speaker 6: where you guys were talking that I claimed credit.
Speaker 4: You said that you had curated it. I just and
Speaker 4: then it was your friend.
Speaker 6: I just, please don't scream at me. I was, you know,
Speaker 6: simply enacting something that people have been calling cyber osmosis.
Speaker 6: And cyber osmosis is the act of absorbing something from
Speaker 6: the internet into your own psyche, because what's happening is
Speaker 6: we used to be output, output out, but now the
Speaker 6: Internet has shifted to be input.
Speaker 4: Input input, So oh, that's fascinating.
Speaker 6: It happens. It's a natural, reoccurring, reoccurring phenomenon, and many
Speaker 6: people are saying it's an evolutionary trait. So if I
Speaker 6: were to steal something from the Internet, some scientists are saying,
Speaker 6: that is your body evolving to the current state of
Speaker 6: what's going on.
Speaker 4: Well, I've heard of you seen these gen zs that
Speaker 4: are doing a whole deep dive on what used to
Speaker 4: be the ice Bucket Challenge and the way that their site,
Speaker 4: what was the word cyber moosis cyber asthmosis in it,
Speaker 4: And I think that's fascinating because it reminds me. I
Speaker 4: drop off my daughter every Saturday morning at an African
Speaker 4: drum circle congratulations, and it's that has been so interesting
Speaker 4: to see my daughter experience creativity, not cyberly, yeah, and
Speaker 4: not through an algorithm for her to go see a
Speaker 4: drum circle. And the way she said, Mama, mama, we
Speaker 4: passed the sound around and I went, how far off
Speaker 4: is that from passing with the algorithms sound that's so
Speaker 4: and passed around you.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm sure you may be aware of this. This
Speaker 5: this physical theater piece that is taking place outside of
Speaker 5: Squirrel Cafe and Virtual Village, and they take they're trying
Speaker 5: to bring people from the digital space into the physical
Speaker 5: space who may not otherwise have access to the physical space,
Speaker 5: and so they are doing meme theater. So they are
Speaker 5: re enacting sort of Damn Daniel, bad news Greg or
Speaker 5: bad luck Brian per Se. I should say bad luck Brian.
Speaker 5: Bad news Greg is what I call my husband sometimes
Speaker 5: when he has terrible news. He has a lot of
Speaker 5: bad news. He's he's an environmental scientist and that.
Speaker 4: Must just be every day bad newsist Greg.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's a he's an environmental scientist and a
Speaker 5: huge pessimist. So sometimes it's hard to filter out what
Speaker 5: is coming from science and what is sort of his
Speaker 5: negative outlook.
Speaker 6: On life pessimist. You don't know why I got.
Speaker 5: They got didn't know, No, you don't know which started
Speaker 5: pessimist or did they get into you know, it's sometimes
Speaker 5: I I feel that the siren call of the environmental
Speaker 5: science was was allure to his pessimism.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is so funny. It's like it reminds
Speaker 4: me of my husband, who is a big, big he
Speaker 4: loves commitment, loves pattern yet he's a substitute teacher. He
Speaker 4: doesn't have a place to go to bed worless and
Speaker 4: you go, how did that happen? The the natural contradictions
Speaker 4: that come with our human being and our soul and
Speaker 4: the job we attach.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's very similar. You know. I went into a
Speaker 6: plant based butcher shop the other day and they were
Speaker 6: drinking out of styrofoam cups, and it was an interesting
Speaker 6: dichotomy because it was we are preserving the environmental because
Speaker 6: of me. You know, we're not meat. I'm cutting you.
Speaker 5: This is that is that, this is this is faux
Speaker 5: hogis and fair fact. I love their sixty day age
Speaker 5: Tofu that they hang in the bash of the store
Speaker 5: and if you get it cut off in the beginning
Speaker 5: of the day, they'll give you a piece that is
Speaker 5: just right.
Speaker 3: Off the sham. Is delicious.
Speaker 4: Oh. I went to the Fogies Fogies they had that
Speaker 4: event for the Boys and Girls Club Fogeys and Bogies
Speaker 4: and it was that golf day and I thought that
Speaker 4: was incredible, and I thought we got to see a
Speaker 4: lot of kids play golf and get something I don't see.
Speaker 6: I remember seeing a kid make an eagle and then
Speaker 6: bite into a gigantic tofu hogy and I thought, this
Speaker 6: is the future I want to see.
Speaker 4: Like that's that's that's impressive.
Speaker 6: Your privileged youth golfing and eating play it based meat.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Have you guys been to the the pottery class that
Speaker 4: is remote and you have to find it class.
Speaker 3: Bringing a whole new meaning to their word to remote.
Speaker 6: It's called throw away right and.
Speaker 4: Throwing when I've seen kids now start to do this,
Speaker 4: and it's fun to see the youth experience art that
Speaker 4: doesn't have a place.
Speaker 6: It's very exciting to see that.
Speaker 5: It's interesting how hide and Seek can can play a
Speaker 5: role in the things that we do every day.
Speaker 3: Hide and Seek, it's amazing.
Speaker 4: Have you guys read that xpoze you I mean a
Speaker 4: good friend of ours who works with us. Oh, of
Speaker 4: course we all know them, Derek.
Speaker 6: Blossom when he went undercover as a kitchen.
Speaker 4: Kidd and seek game and that that that is an incredible.
Speaker 5: And if you haven't read Derek Blossom's work, I encourage
Speaker 5: you to check it out. It's really quite quite remarkable.
Speaker 5: He found a way to be found in seven hundred
Speaker 5: different children's Hide and Seek games, and he found sort
Speaker 5: of as an anthropological study, the way that human scientists
Speaker 5: will enmesh themselves in the social dynamics of apes. He
Speaker 5: did the same thing with child's birthday parties all across
Speaker 5: the country.
Speaker 4: There's no talent like blossom and.
Speaker 6: Hide and seekrets so many the children. I don't know,
Speaker 6: if you guys.
Speaker 4: Have read the Yeah I have Modern.
Speaker 6: Then you know Modern philos for Shill God Yes book
Speaker 6: about how directly attaching Hide and Seek to different types
Speaker 6: of attachment. Right, So, so if you were the seeker
Speaker 6: obviously anxious attached, if you were the hyder avoiding attached
Speaker 6: so brilliant, and if you played both and then namely
Speaker 6: sat on the side to let other people play that
Speaker 6: secure attachment. So instead of asking when you're on these dates,
Speaker 6: you know, and we haven't even gotten into dating.
Speaker 4: We haven't even gotten into I can't, we haven't.
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Speaker 4: Those we have some great shows later.
Speaker 3: That's amazing because I read a very interesting piece about
Speaker 3: Saint Louis recently. How recently in the eighties it was
Speaker 3: the the thriving bell of the ball of the United
Speaker 3: States in the south southern United States. But now due
Speaker 3: to the shifting film, film and food markets, Saint Louis
Speaker 3: has become kind of it's had its own dust ball.
Speaker 3: It's completely empty.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 6: Read that humorous essay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've seen it too.
Speaker 6: Ava Luisa Garda Farica. It's it's it's very very hysterical.
Speaker 6: It is well, it's sesus brilliant it is. It's a satirical,
Speaker 6: humorous essay from the point of view of the Saint
Speaker 6: Louis arch going through one hundred years of history.
Speaker 5: Now I must explain I'm sorry to jump on your toes.
Speaker 5: She is not literally purporting to be the Saint Louis Art.
Speaker 5: He is, of course, assuming a character humors take humorous
Speaker 5: send up of the Saint Louis Arch. She is not
Speaker 5: literally claiming to be the Saint Louis Arch, because there's
Speaker 5: no way that for that to literally happen. So I
Speaker 5: just want to make sure that everyone knows not a
Speaker 5: crazy town.
Speaker 6: But I do want to say I think I've been
Speaker 6: seeing a lot of stuff about this. Humorous send ups
Speaker 6: are the last form of resistance we have.
Speaker 4: I've seen this too. You're getting a phone call. I've
Speaker 4: seen this because I mean, look at the modern day
Speaker 4: birthday party.
Speaker 3: I need you say more? Need you say more.
Speaker 6: Interesting? Do you disagree?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, at looking at it, I guess where
Speaker 3: I come from and some of my Lithuanian heritage, I
Speaker 3: would say the modern birthday party is actually pseudo related
Speaker 3: to the modern death of cinema in a way that
Speaker 3: we are trying to find third spaces. That then, and
Speaker 3: let me finish, we have we are trying to desperately
Speaker 3: find third spaces, desperately, desperately, desperately trying to connect with
Speaker 3: each other. The fact that now the modern birthday is
Speaker 3: not as much happy birthday as it is happy day
Speaker 3: that you're born, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5: Well, there's actually a culture in northwestern south to New
Speaker 5: Mexico and it's a community of people. It's an unincorporated
Speaker 5: area called Dustville, and they actually celebrate the opposite of
Speaker 5: a birthday. So whatever day is the least like your
Speaker 5: birthday in the calendar and that interest.
Speaker 4: To celebrates, how do they decide that.
Speaker 5: That's well, they decide sort of. So obviously a half
Speaker 5: birthday is six months past your birthday, of course, but
Speaker 5: an opposite of a birthday is the most opposite to
Speaker 5: the vibe of your birthday. So say what's your birthday?
Speaker 3: I guess April twenty second.
Speaker 5: April twenty second, so of course we were getting some
Speaker 5: spring tones in there.
Speaker 4: And twenty two April winter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the opposite of an April is is November.
Speaker 4: And and what's the opposite of budget twenty two?
Speaker 5: So that's eleventh. So your your opposite birthday if you
Speaker 5: were a resident of dust Bill, which I don't think
Speaker 5: you are. I don't think that that's where your driver's
Speaker 5: license is registered, is it would be November eleventh, So
Speaker 5: that's when they would celebrate us.
Speaker 6: I mean that is basically about six months Ala.
Speaker 4: And I'd say that I think it's it's not it's
Speaker 4: not really.
Speaker 5: It's sort of but it's steeped in culture.
Speaker 4: You know, birthdays are such a funny thing. I am
Speaker 4: a Last month I went to the Los Angeles LGBTQ
Speaker 4: Science and Library Center.
Speaker 6: Congratulations.
Speaker 4: They have a wonderful program where you can celebrate your
Speaker 4: coming out birthday and you can basically create your own
Speaker 4: new version of a birthday. And that just reminded me
Speaker 4: what you said about birthdays and what he said about birthday.
Speaker 4: This is fascinating that that came up right. Yes, and
Speaker 4: I highly recommend you guys getting memberships to the Los
Speaker 4: Angeles LGBTQ plus Science and Library Center. Can I ask
Speaker 4: what programming they have? I mean, it is an incredible facility.
Speaker 4: The library itself is just all queer artists, queer authors,
Speaker 4: which is beautiful to see. But the Science Center is
Speaker 4: full of silly PuTTY's in fun thing and it's a
Speaker 4: very fun thing that I went to and I saw
Speaker 4: Norah jonesing there.
Speaker 6: Awesome. Remember, you know it's funny. I just read from
Speaker 6: one of our pop culture correspondents for NPR, and those
Speaker 6: guys are so much fun. They're always always playing Olivia Rodrigo.
Speaker 5: Off the wall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hilarious.
Speaker 6: I did not know that Silly Putty is is as
Speaker 6: the queer culture is calling it, the new Mother. There's
Speaker 6: these reports coming out that Silly has become and Silly
Speaker 6: Putty is kind of, uh, you know, anthropologically, it's been
Speaker 6: hard to understand why queer people are responding to Silly
Speaker 6: Puddy in the way they are, but it's massive. They're
Speaker 6: putting it on floats, they're doing well.
Speaker 5: Actually, there's a young artist in high school who.
Speaker 4: Uh, what's her name? I bet I know them, of course,
Speaker 4: my daughter is x y x y x y axis
Speaker 4: y as x y axss.
Speaker 5: They have put out a series of humorous videos on
Speaker 5: TikTok that that describe Silly Putty as mother, likely due
Speaker 5: to the fluid nature of sexuality itself, and they're drawing
Speaker 5: upon it as sort of a you know, many materials
Speaker 5: in our world are solid and they're one way, but
Speaker 5: Silly Putty can be many ways, and that is something
Speaker 5: that the youth are really latching on.
Speaker 3: So interesting, and it's something that actually doctor Doctor, Doctor, Doctor,
Speaker 3: Doctor Fantasia.
Speaker 4: She touched on Doctor Fantasia. I go to I have
Speaker 4: dinner with Doctra. I want to say once.
Speaker 3: I've been such a big fan of her work. I mean,
Speaker 3: she's her book from Mother Goose to Mother Gaga, Finding
Speaker 3: the Virgin Mary and Gay Art. It's a beautiful, uh
Speaker 3: work of fiction. You would think it's non fiction, but
Speaker 3: it actually is. It's historical fiction.
Speaker 6: She every reimagines Mother Goose is a queer icon in
Speaker 6: order to fit her in with Lady Gaga exactly.
Speaker 3: And it's it was extremely powerful and it gets at
Speaker 3: the core of I think what makes people tick, which
Speaker 3: is what are we searching for? And how are we
Speaker 3: each filling our void? Yeah, and it really just got
Speaker 3: me going and ticking.
Speaker 4: There's an operetto called Filling the Void that I will
Speaker 4: high I highly recommend.
Speaker 5: Oh, I've seen I've seen this streaming. Is this operetto
Speaker 5: based on a popsicle joke?
Speaker 6: It's an operetta based on a obstical stake.
Speaker 3: What was the original popsicle stick joke that it's based on.
Speaker 4: I can't believe it was. It was something about it
Speaker 4: was double sided of the particle. Because I saw side,
Speaker 4: I saw it. The love what it's based off?
Speaker 5: It said, what what? What?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 5: Does a cow say when the other one is being
Speaker 5: really funny?
Speaker 4: And then it said move move m.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't understand. I would understand any bake a base
Speaker 3: of whole operetto.
Speaker 4: But the operetto is incredible.
Speaker 5: The operettos i've I've.
Speaker 4: Heard it reminded me of the first time I saw
Speaker 4: I Instant on the Beach. I remember like standing up
Speaker 4: in the middle of one of the intermissions. There's many intermissions.
Speaker 4: I stood up and I went, this was made for me,
Speaker 4: and I'd say, like just working with you guys, I
Speaker 4: feel like there are a lot of specific pieces that
Speaker 4: come into our orbit that aren't made. It meant for
Speaker 4: me and I and I embraced them with the full heart.
Speaker 4: I tried to watch Shark Boy and Lava Girl recently
Speaker 4: with my daughter, and I went, that's not made for
Speaker 4: me and something that made for me?
Speaker 5: Now, why why?
Speaker 6: Why?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 6: Why?
Speaker 5: Why? I'm curious about this. Why do you feel that
Speaker 5: Shark Boy and Lava Girl was not made for you?
Speaker 5: Is it a loss of adolescence?
Speaker 4: Is it a loss of whimsy?
Speaker 6: For me? The Shark Boy Lava Girl is about the diaspora.
Speaker 6: I've always seen it as that you always have the
Speaker 6: American diaspora and in many ways, you know this cast
Speaker 6: system that we find ourselves.
Speaker 4: In, I mean even the East and the West.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shark Boy girl, And I'm just so interested in that.
Speaker 3: I mean, you bring up the American cast system. What
Speaker 3: you know, what is that for you?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean to to to zoom out for a moment.
Speaker 5: We find ourselves on the precipice of an AI change
Speaker 5: of AI coming in and Shark Boy and lave A
Speaker 5: Girl in this sense is sort of a challenge to
Speaker 5: that system. It's sort of taking it's the last stand
Speaker 5: of something truly human before our new digital age.
Speaker 3: This is good.
Speaker 4: We haven't talked about a yet and then we're going
Speaker 4: to get into talking about updating, but I'd love to
Speaker 4: talk about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, you couldn't replicate what we do
Speaker 6: with AI in any way.
Speaker 7: Now, there's just simply I mean to talk about the
Speaker 7: effects of AI on specific cinema and movie is doctor
Speaker 7: Lanky Dink.
Speaker 3: They are out of cal Poly San Luis Obispo. Their
Speaker 3: professor of Film Studies and Cinema for the history. Professor Dink,
Speaker 3: You're on the air.
Speaker 4: Hello, how are you hi?
Speaker 3: So you actually just published a paper research paper about
Speaker 3: the recent trend of Hollywood trying to integrate AI into
Speaker 3: a system. How do you think this affects the study
Speaker 3: of film and moving forward? Where do you see, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, the business of Hollywood going.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. I just want
Speaker 4: to say I'm a long time listener for the show,
Speaker 4: and listen. I live in libraries, I live in I
Speaker 4: am always studying that. Thank you, dink and.
Speaker 3: What sorry, we're just a bad connection. It seems like
Speaker 3: you're calling from a zoom or something like that. A
Speaker 3: horrible connection on. Just try to talk a little clearer thing.
Speaker 4: Okay, sorry about that anyway. I have been studying the
Speaker 4: roots of I've been studying the roots of AI in cinema,
Speaker 4: and I have found a way to prove that if
Speaker 4: AI were to create movies, it would never have things
Speaker 4: like Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 6: That's a very good point, huh.
Speaker 3: I interested. I've read a reason it is my zoom
Speaker 3: working and we've lost you. Thank you so much for.
Speaker 4: Hello, you so much for hello. Am I still on
Speaker 4: the air.
Speaker 3: You're off, You're off? Thank you cut her out, cut up,
Speaker 3: and thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Can I get my sister, and I think that I
Speaker 4: think the zoom cut. I think I think the zoom cep.
Speaker 4: I'm still in the air deep deep, I think.
Speaker 5: That seems they're still on the air.
Speaker 6: You know, I read a report recently where an.
Speaker 4: Artist it must be off by now it's off.
Speaker 6: I would report recently, we're an artist described Marion mon
Speaker 6: Moroe to five hundred different AI models and none of them,
Speaker 6: none of them correctly, none of them correctly drew than Roe.
Speaker 3: Well, I've got a question. Was it because the computers
Speaker 3: don't understand her? Or were the descriptions bad? Because I
Speaker 3: feel if you sent a photo of Marilyn Monroe to
Speaker 3: a I would figure it out immediately.
Speaker 6: This is what the author purports. The author her name
Speaker 6: is Vivica Jeanne.
Speaker 4: I love she's Vivica and I get a Panini wants
Speaker 4: to get.
Speaker 3: Where do you get your Paninis.
Speaker 8: Lap Delicious? I?
Speaker 6: I yeah, Vivia. Vivica wrote an incredible book about this.
Speaker 6: You can find it. I'm only on the Libby app,
Speaker 6: which is a free library app app.
Speaker 5: It's a fantastic Yes, I have it.
Speaker 4: I'm walking the marathon for that.
Speaker 6: It's a Libby exclusive because she just cares about library systems,
Speaker 6: and it's note.
Speaker 5: Have you have seen the Libby the Straight two series?
Speaker 5: Libby is doing originals. We can talk about that later.
Speaker 5: We can talk about that later. What were you? What
Speaker 5: were you going to say about this?
Speaker 6: What you just I really I urge you to read
Speaker 6: the book because I think she describes Marilyn Monroe, sometimes
Speaker 6: perfectly to a t. Sometimes she goes for emotions and
Speaker 6: vibes and what comes out is something similar to a crap.
Speaker 5: Well, this is It's It's interesting because it's very difficult
Speaker 5: to describe a what beauty is to a machine. It
Speaker 5: can sort of replicate it, but it's very difficult. And
Speaker 5: I know that there's a group of scientists in Southwest
Speaker 5: Florida that are working in a lab right now reading
Speaker 5: pictionary clues to AI, trying to see if the AI
Speaker 5: will draw what they're saying.
Speaker 3: Really interesting because that's not how pictionary works.
Speaker 5: Scientists seem to believe that's how it does.
Speaker 6: I mean, I saw a scathing cartoon recently that was too.
Speaker 5: Oh, I know what you're about to say.
Speaker 6: Of course you do. Two process servers sitting on a
Speaker 6: beach looking at the sunset, and one said to the other.
Speaker 6: That's a lot of ones and zeros, And I think
Speaker 6: that just says Josin drew that Kostin. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I know, Jostin.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back. You know what I'm really finding interesting in
Speaker 3: what I'm really diving into these days. If I say so,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's such a torrid political climate, but you know,
Speaker 3: I find myself finding hope in the little stories my
Speaker 3: daughter tells me at night.
Speaker 6: Congratulations, thank you.
Speaker 3: She's coming home from the playground telling me these really
Speaker 3: interesting stories. And I'm really realizing, at what point does
Speaker 3: a child learn an ethical moral system? Is it taunt
Speaker 3: or was she born with it?
Speaker 4: I loved hearing the tapes you're already working on. If
Speaker 4: I could tease this out a little bit. You're you're
Speaker 4: piloting out this out and I've heard that you're recording
Speaker 4: your daughter telling stories of the park, and I find
Speaker 4: that beautiful. I did find the tapes are a little
Speaker 4: distracting because you can hear the park, and I think
Speaker 4: we should play one.
Speaker 9: Of them, Daddy. So the story is it's a little
Speaker 9: princess and she look, I.
Speaker 10: Reserve this grill at four, my grill all birds.
Speaker 9: And the princess only really wanted to the castle.
Speaker 4: She wanted grill so badly has the best view of
Speaker 4: the d.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for letting me play that. It's
Speaker 3: it's amazing. I know it brings it to you my
Speaker 3: eye because she's just growing up in age is just
Speaker 3: such a tricky.
Speaker 6: Beast.
Speaker 5: Age is a tricky beast. And I think that there
Speaker 5: is actually a group of scientists in New Jersey who
Speaker 5: are working on recontextualizing age so that you don't count
Speaker 5: as many years.
Speaker 3: I've heard called.
Speaker 4: Study consent spelled with a C, where you only.
Speaker 5: It's the age of content and you only agree to
Speaker 5: take in the years that you you agree. You don't
Speaker 5: you consent to have to turning another age.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it brings up go ahead, please, It
Speaker 4: brings up the statue of limitations. And I think that's
Speaker 4: something we uh, we talked about a lot on the show.
Speaker 6: I mean, I saw a humorous cartoon recently.
Speaker 5: Oh, I've seen that as well.
Speaker 8: It's it's they put it in their lobby, they put
Speaker 8: it in their lobby, and it's a instead of the
Speaker 8: statue of liberty, it's the statue of limitation.
Speaker 4: And she's and she's saying go home.
Speaker 6: I mean, that just says it all, and not just
Speaker 6: really say speaking of children and aging, I recently sat
Speaker 6: down with my children and kind of asked them to
Speaker 6: figure out a way to put me out of my misery.
Speaker 6: I asked them to figure out ways to maybe make
Speaker 6: it look like an accident, maybe maybe allow me to shuffle.
Speaker 6: I asked my family to poison me. I asked my
Speaker 6: family to smother me. I'm interested in no longer being here.
Speaker 5: Well, there's an there's an artist in New Mexico who
Speaker 5: is actually exploring ethical, uh familial euthanasia. It's about committing
Speaker 5: euthanasia to oneself in a way that honors spiritual ties,
Speaker 5: ancestral bonds. And there is a it's a deeply rooted
Speaker 5: tradition that I think spends back hundreds of thousands of years.
Speaker 4: Saghetty Museum has a beautiful has a beautiful exhibit right
Speaker 4: now about euthanasia.
Speaker 6: And I'm struggling, right So I'm struggling.
Speaker 4: That's so interesting, this exhibit, it's so interesting. So I
Speaker 4: can't believe you mentioned that you wanted your family to
Speaker 4: put you out of your misery. And it immediately brings
Speaker 4: me to this exhibit in the Ghetty that has a
Speaker 4: picture of every animal species. That's so and euthanasia.
Speaker 3: It's because you're struggling, and it reminds me of this
Speaker 3: really fun, quirky crossword theme.
Speaker 6: I ran across thinking of ending at all.
Speaker 3: So that's what the clue was. It was very interesting
Speaker 3: ending it all question mark and what it actually it
Speaker 3: was ending at all was twelve am. That's what you
Speaker 3: have to write, because that's the end.
Speaker 5: In the beginning ends quite funny of ending it all, I'm.
Speaker 6: Wishing for death.
Speaker 5: Well, when you wish for death, you've heard the sonata. Yes,
Speaker 5: I love there's a sonata that is going around that
Speaker 5: I'm sure.
Speaker 4: This is the sonatas via the male.
Speaker 5: You can literally catch this sonata in your hand because
Speaker 5: when you open it up, it's a Badminton quail, and
Speaker 5: so you you have to catch the sonata, and the
Speaker 5: sonata wishes for its own death.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting because as we speak about death, the
Speaker 3: California quail i've heard is bouncing back after years of decline.
Speaker 3: Apparently that's quite good. People doing people do what.
Speaker 6: Did you say, I've asked them to do it tonight.
Speaker 5: Tonight, Well tonight, remember the it's a very interesting NASA
Speaker 5: is reporting that there is a double.
Speaker 4: Blood double blood comment.
Speaker 5: But it'll be visible if you are in southwest Texas
Speaker 5: at three and five am you are in for a trade.
Speaker 4: There's a little girl in Texas that has already raised
Speaker 4: about five thousand dollars for the girl Scouts to all
Speaker 4: go see this commet. That's nice.
Speaker 6: Well, there's money to see a commet.
Speaker 5: You need.
Speaker 3: There's a fund off to get a telescope out there
Speaker 3: to see the comic correctly, because it'll be visible through
Speaker 3: telescope size.
Speaker 4: And this little girl, it reminds me of all of
Speaker 4: the little girls everywhere who make a wish. You said
Speaker 4: you wish for it to end. You said you wish
Speaker 4: for it to be done, and I think, you know,
Speaker 4: we wish upon a star. Think you.
Speaker 3: Know.
Speaker 5: Scientists are actually just studying wishes right now at the
Speaker 5: University of Iowa. They are doing a study on wishes
Speaker 5: and how it is. Actually they're heavy, they're heavy, they
Speaker 5: actually have weight. They have more weight than solids. Liquids
Speaker 5: and gases and people.
Speaker 3: You wish upon a star. I mean, it's such a
Speaker 3: beautiful song from of course, which musical is that from? Against?
Speaker 3: Because I have just recently discovered an all indigenous queer
Speaker 3: retelling of Pinocchio through an American with.
Speaker 4: The music, with the music, what is what is the
Speaker 4: classic flute flautist name?
Speaker 3: Yes, punch, punch and tape. He's doing the beautiful flute
Speaker 3: to when you Wish upon a Star retelling of Pinocchio. Well, thanks, guys,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for maybe should we introduce our
Speaker 3: maybe before we go, let's introduce ourselves.
Speaker 6: Signing off, my name is Elvis Presley.
Speaker 5: Hi, my name is Dandelion.
Speaker 4: Martin. I'm leather Bath.
Speaker 3: And of course i'm doctor Sinclair the fourth.
Speaker 4: And I'm Professor Dinky Linky. I'm still on the zoom
Speaker 4: someone let me on. I'm still on the zoom here.
Speaker 5: Goodness, goodness, I'm still zoom here. I have to let
Speaker 5: you go.
Speaker 3: I've been this whole time on our on our topic today.
Speaker 3: What is it like to do this an NPR host?
Speaker 4: Yes, I think this is a panel talking about what
Speaker 4: it's like behind the show. Now that the show's over.
Speaker 4: We can start.
Speaker 5: Well, let's talk about microphone quality.
Speaker 3: Answering the question. Now, that's why I call it show business.
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