Speaker 1: Hey everybody, It's Tuesday, February eighteenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're not quite ready
Speaker 1: for hand size season yet. To me your man MG
Speaker 1: Marcus Grand joined by Michael F. Florio. Lakwan Jones at
Speaker 1: this moment is still on an airplane. He is on
Speaker 1: his way to New Orleans. He's going to be there
Speaker 1: for an HBCU showcase, the HBCU Legacy Bowl coming up
Speaker 1: this weekend, so he will be enjoying lots of good
Speaker 1: food and lots of fun in New Orleans while Floria,
Speaker 1: you and I are just grinding here doing mock drafts
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 2: Look, I'll give let's give LQ credit. He was like,
Speaker 2: I Land, I want to run to the hotel, like
Speaker 2: can I Like, it wouldn't work out schedule wise, but
Speaker 2: he wanted to be here right now.
Speaker 1: That is true. That is true. All credit to Tilakwan
Speaker 1: because he was going to try and hustle up and
Speaker 1: set up from the hotel and do the show. Is
Speaker 1: just timing wise with the rest of us, it was
Speaker 1: gonna be difficult. We expect though. He will be back
Speaker 1: for Thursday show so we can ask him questions about
Speaker 1: some of his mock draft stuff. Then the one headlines
Speaker 1: we get to by the way, we are doing a show.
Speaker 1: We did a mock draft yesterday. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the mock draft. We got some some other running back
Speaker 1: rankings things, and then maybe some fun in fravolity at
Speaker 1: the end, depending on how long we are babbling about
Speaker 1: the other stuff here. But yeah, we did a mock
Speaker 1: draft the first of what several this year, I would assume, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I like doing them, like we were
Speaker 2: talking about doing them maybe like once a month or
Speaker 2: something like that, just to kind of keep compare. And
Speaker 2: it's really cool because, like you, you posted this on
Speaker 2: Blue you skeeded it.
Speaker 1: I guess, uh yeah, I Patrick CLAYBN has convinced me
Speaker 1: that we're just we're just calling him tweets regardless.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you tweeted it on Blue Sky, oh right,
Speaker 2: and it filled within like twenty minutes. So it's a
Speaker 2: lot of people who live in breath fantasy like we do,
Speaker 2: which which is really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, we actually got some really cool folks in here.
Speaker 1: Nate poll Vote joined us. Kevin Tompkins. I think you
Speaker 1: could read him with some of his stuff over at
Speaker 1: at Fantasy pros. Nate Yankie from Pro Football Focus was
Speaker 1: in with us Pete Davidson him at Rotobond. There's a
Speaker 1: whole lot of folks who jumped in, so we are
Speaker 1: grateful for them for feeling this thing up. And I
Speaker 1: think we just had some civilians out there as well
Speaker 1: who just said jumped in.
Speaker 2: Do you think Pete gets it as much as I do?
Speaker 2: Like tweets thinking he's someone else, Yeah, except that his
Speaker 2: are probably more fun than yours, oh easily.
Speaker 1: I mean he probably got a lot of tweets about
Speaker 1: the SNL fiftieth anniversary or something like that. Yours. You
Speaker 1: just get angry angry.
Speaker 2: People whenever like a supermodel or like a singer breaks
Speaker 2: up with their significant other. They probably slide into Pete's
Speaker 2: DMS like yeah, I mean I would think so right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's probably a different, different level, for sure
Speaker 1: than than what you get when when people make you mad,
Speaker 1: you make whatever when the other florio tweets things, writes things,
Speaker 1: and people get upset about it. So yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to go through this mock draft. It was a twelve
Speaker 1: team PPR Snake draft. I will also try to post
Speaker 1: the actual board, so folks can check that out too,
Speaker 1: because I know, just sort of listening to this thing
Speaker 1: is gonna be a little bit difficult to follow. So
Speaker 1: we'll post the board. You can take a look at that.
Speaker 1: You can make your own determinations of who you thought
Speaker 1: had a good draft or not a good draft. So
Speaker 1: I mean, like your overall impressions, your feelings on the
Speaker 1: team that you came away with. You chose the twelfth
Speaker 1: spot in the order, so talk to me about why
Speaker 1: you chose that and how you felt like it turned out.
Speaker 2: I took twelve because it's a little bit easier because
Speaker 2: you could just double pick and you're good to go.
Speaker 2: I also like being on the turn. It makes you,
Speaker 2: at least with me, it forces me to kind of
Speaker 2: get my guys a little bit more. Whereas if Sam,
Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of a draft, I'll be like,
Speaker 2: maybe I could wait and get this guy around later.
Speaker 2: You don't have that option when you're at twelve, so
Speaker 2: it kind of forces you to go get the guys
Speaker 2: that you like. And to me, the most interesting part
Speaker 2: of this mock was rookies. And obviously ADP isn't fully
Speaker 2: up to like par yet we with the So the
Speaker 2: rookies are still a little bit pushed down on ADP,
Speaker 2: but you wouldn't know that by looking at this board
Speaker 2: because everyone was pulling rookies up very high. I kind
Speaker 2: of went in being like, I'm gonna draft a lot
Speaker 2: of rookies. I don't think I drafted a single one,
Speaker 2: because I should have expected this with who we were
Speaker 2: drafting for such a sharp room that they went appropriate.
Speaker 2: There was no discount on any of the top rookies.
Speaker 1: No, there was, And like I was sort of with you,
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna draft some rookies, and they kept going,
Speaker 1: and they kept going. Eventually I did draft one late.
Speaker 1: I just I chose the second spot, you know. I
Speaker 1: wanted to see who would go first and sort of
Speaker 1: make my decision. Accordingly, I'm just curious as to how
Speaker 1: things are gonna shake out. And I was with you,
Speaker 1: I was trying to get rookies. It never really happened.
Speaker 1: Then finally late I just I felt left out. So
Speaker 1: I drafted a rookie in the late rounds of this thing,
Speaker 1: just to kind of see how, you know, how it
Speaker 1: would feel a little bit. Did you have a particular strategy,
Speaker 1: were you you know, I always feel like you never
Speaker 1: really know until you kind of get into it a
Speaker 1: round or two. But did you go into it, you know,
Speaker 1: planning to do certain things?
Speaker 2: I kind of felt like you, like, especially with this
Speaker 2: being my first real mock for twenty twenty five and
Speaker 2: it being February, and like I said, ADPs still kind
Speaker 2: of skewed off of what it was last year. These
Speaker 2: early drafts are always very interesting, and I kind of
Speaker 2: went into like, I'm gonna find all the guys who's
Speaker 2: ADP are suppressed and I'm gonna take them, and we're
Speaker 2: in such a sharp room that everyone had that same thought.
Speaker 2: My plan was to I wanted to leave the first
Speaker 2: couple of rounds with running backs because at least one
Speaker 2: like I know, me and like Lakwan talk about a
Speaker 2: lot like we want wide receivers early on. But the
Speaker 2: more we were talking, especially Marcus when we did our
Speaker 2: rankings last week and we talked about running back, I
Speaker 2: was like, there's such a like I think there's a
Speaker 2: bigger fall off at running back after the top like
Speaker 2: five than at any other position outside of maybe quarterback.
Speaker 2: But that's a very different position. So I left the
Speaker 2: first two rounds. I made sure to grab Devan hen
Speaker 2: who was my highest ranked running back, and then through
Speaker 2: four rounds I ended up doubling down and taking Isaiah Pacheco,
Speaker 2: who I loved last year as well. So after four rounds,
Speaker 2: I had two running backs, and that was something I
Speaker 2: wanted to emphasize, Like, I was confident I could find
Speaker 2: receivers I would feel good about in the middle portions
Speaker 2: of the draft, not so much with running backs, which
Speaker 2: is why after I had those two guys, I took
Speaker 2: one more running back until my last pick, the very
Speaker 2: last pick of the draft. So wanted to emphasize it
Speaker 2: early and then kind of because I also feel like
Speaker 2: right now, Marcus, obviously things will change by August, but
Speaker 2: out of all the positions, running backs are the one
Speaker 2: that could change the most because it's so volume dependent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I felt in some way, maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: opposite of you in the sense that I didn't love
Speaker 1: the receivers that were available when it got to even
Speaker 1: like late round two. I mean, they're good players, but
Speaker 1: I didn't feel comfortable taking them in that spot. So
Speaker 1: I felt good getting you know, a big wide receiver early.
Speaker 1: I came back and got a big running back early
Speaker 1: we'll start talking about some of these guys individually in
Speaker 1: a bit. But it was sort of like after a while,
Speaker 1: like I don't love any of the receivers available. They
Speaker 1: all come with big question marks attached to them. And
Speaker 1: then sort of in the mid rounds I hit a
Speaker 1: few receivers that I think could potentially either make a
Speaker 1: leap or maybe have a bounce back year. Then later
Speaker 1: I kind of took some, I guess, for lack of
Speaker 1: a better screw, kind of more zero RB type guys
Speaker 1: or guys that have upside potentially, and then you know,
Speaker 1: the end of the draft is always sort of those
Speaker 1: upside kind of dart throw guys that you think could
Speaker 1: really maybe turn into something, but you're sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: on the fence about them a little bit. So this
Speaker 1: sort of dive into it. Justin Jefferson is the one
Speaker 1: dot one your feelings on that I.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't do it. I can get the thinking like he's
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson. He probably is the best real life wide
Speaker 2: receiver walking the planet right now. He's been so productive
Speaker 2: regardless of who the quarterback has been. Last year we
Speaker 2: were doing this with Sam Darnold, where we were like,
Speaker 2: might not live up to expectations, and he was fine.
Speaker 2: He produced with Nick Mullens for a stretch the year before.
Speaker 2: But when you were picking first, you were splitting hairs,
Speaker 2: and Justin Jefferson's quarterback is a much bigger question than
Speaker 2: the guy that you got it too, in Jamar Chase,
Speaker 2: who is, as Joe Burrow, one of the four best
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the NFL, is guy since college, all of that,
Speaker 2: so I know we've talked about it already on the
Speaker 2: show before. For me, one dot oh one is Jamar Chase,
Speaker 2: and you just keep it moving. But you got a gift.
Speaker 2: You got him at two. I get the thicking with Jefferson.
Speaker 2: I just would never be the one to do.
Speaker 1: That, which made me feel great that I was able
Speaker 1: to like cause I see Jefferson go off the board
Speaker 1: in one and I couldn't click Jamar Chase's name fast enough,
Speaker 1: Like I was all in on Jamar Chase at the
Speaker 1: one dot two. That was an easy one for me.
Speaker 1: I assumed he was going to go one. I still
Speaker 1: believe in most drafts that he's going to go number one,
Speaker 1: but I was glad to get the very slight discounted too.
Speaker 2: If he went one. Would you have taken Jefferson at two?
Speaker 1: Probably? Yeah, So Jefferson was coming off the board the
Speaker 1: first two picks. I was probably gonna go Jefferson there,
Speaker 1: but it got us number three with Bijon Robinson. Kevin
Speaker 1: Tompkins takes Bijon Robinson at the number three overall spot.
Speaker 1: Maybe the big headline though in the first round, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to ask him about this. On Thursday,
Speaker 1: Lakwan was at the number four spot. He has been
Speaker 1: talking up Poka Nakua all off season and he had
Speaker 1: a chance to take Pooka and he takes aman Ross
Speaker 1: Saint Brown.
Speaker 2: Instead, which literally last week we did our rankings, both
Speaker 2: me and Lakuan had Hookah as wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Two. He takes a Monro instead, So again he is
Speaker 1: en route to New Orleans. When we talked to him
Speaker 1: on Thursday, this is going to be the first question
Speaker 1: we ask is well, probably the second questions. I'll proably
Speaker 1: ask him what's the best thing he ate? But the
Speaker 1: second question was like, why did you take Amanrau over
Speaker 1: Puka at the number four spot? He didn't text us
Speaker 1: where he was like I want to see where he goes.
Speaker 2: But I was sitting there at twelve, Like, yo, if
Speaker 2: he got by Laqwan, there's an actual hands he makes
Speaker 2: it to me. Now he went ninth overall, But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's a great value for Puca right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, So I'm on Rago's four. Sa Quon
Speaker 1: Barkley goes five, Ceed Lamb at six, Jamiir Gibbs is seven.
Speaker 1: AJ Brown at eight. Now, AJ Brown is one that
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sure about. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: a talent issue, it's just that last year the passing
Speaker 1: volume was diminished significantly in Philadelphia, and it feels like
Speaker 1: that is a risk at eight for me.
Speaker 2: I am in AJ Brown Stan. I love him, and
Speaker 2: I'm I don't know if I was the highest of
Speaker 2: the three of us when we ranked him, but even so,
Speaker 2: I had the three wide receivers that went after him
Speaker 2: ahead of AJ Brown, So I like him a lot
Speaker 2: more like if he was there for me at twelve
Speaker 2: rather than the guy I took, which was Nico Collins.
Speaker 2: I probably like if you flip those two, I probably
Speaker 2: still take Aj at twelve, but I I like him
Speaker 2: a lot more as like a late first early second
Speaker 2: round pick than I do middle of the first.
Speaker 1: So there he goes. He goes at one dot eight.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Puka is at nine, Malik Neighbors goes number
Speaker 1: ten overall, bres Hall at eleven, and then you finished
Speaker 1: out round one with Nico Collins. For running backs in
Speaker 1: the first round, is that a surprise to you a bit?
Speaker 2: Not the first three, because I think Bijon, Saquon and
Speaker 2: Gibbs are going to firmly be like first even like
Speaker 2: probably middle first round picks. Earlier, I was not only
Speaker 2: to see a fourth one go, but who the fourth
Speaker 2: one was in Breze Hall. Like I I think Brits
Speaker 2: Hall is more of a second round pick in drafts
Speaker 2: next year than a first.
Speaker 1: Breese Hall is one that's curious to me because I
Speaker 1: think he's a borderline first round guy. Again, it's based
Speaker 1: on ability, and it's based on a belief that whatever
Speaker 1: happens with the Jets, whoever their quarterback is going to be, however,
Speaker 1: this offense is going to be set up that they
Speaker 1: are going to feature one of the more talented backs
Speaker 1: in the league. And I that is sort of my
Speaker 1: argument for him in the first round. My argument for
Speaker 1: him out of the first round is it's the Jets.
Speaker 1: It's chaos. You just don't really know what's going to
Speaker 1: happen because there's so many unanswered questions in this offense. Again,
Speaker 1: I get it, it's mid February, but there's just so
Speaker 1: many unanswered questions that it's hard to plant the flag.
Speaker 1: Like you want your first round pick to be a
Speaker 1: guy that you know with certainty is going to produce,
Speaker 1: and there's just a lot of questions around around Breeze
Speaker 1: Hall at this point into the second a little bit
Speaker 1: more running back heavy. We had six running backs off
Speaker 1: the board. You started it with von Hian. You mentioned
Speaker 1: he was your He's not your highest ranked overall, right,
Speaker 1: he was just the highest ranked running back still available.
Speaker 2: You have him as my so the big the top three,
Speaker 2: and then I have Hn after that. Okay, so you
Speaker 2: take to start the round. We did get our first
Speaker 2: rookie in the second round, Ashton Genty. Nate Yankee takes
Speaker 2: him from at the two dot eight spot, so we
Speaker 2: actually started Nate starts with Saquon Barkley and Ashton Johnty,
Speaker 2: which again in February, I'm not gonna lie to you,
Speaker 2: that looks pretty awesome. Yeah, and I feel like this
Speaker 2: is probably like the lowest portion of that. Like, I
Speaker 2: don't see Jens falling much further than this unless he
Speaker 2: goes to like an awful landing spot. But I think
Speaker 2: there's only room for growth. Because we were talking about
Speaker 2: it last week, Like, if he goes to a team
Speaker 2: where they just hand him the keys in year one
Speaker 2: and let him run wild, he is going to be,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, a late first or early second round pick.
Speaker 2: US fantasy guys love rookies, so not only is this
Speaker 2: a pick that makes you look smart now, a month
Speaker 2: from now, we might be like, wow, that was a
Speaker 2: great value.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's the thing, right, Depending on what
Speaker 1: he goes, it's not inconceivable that he slides into the
Speaker 1: first round. I mean I've seen mock drafts with John
Speaker 1: c getting drafted fairly early in the in the first round.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen mox with the Raiders taking him
Speaker 1: at six. You know, I don't know if that really happens,
Speaker 1: but that's where we are sort of in mock draft season,
Speaker 1: like real NFL draft mock season at this point. There
Speaker 1: was a run on wide receivers early in the second round.
Speaker 1: Bryan Thomas Junior, followed by Drake London, followed by Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison that I was just saying, hey, how are we
Speaker 1: feeling about Marvin Harris because year one was a major disappointment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I it was a It was a disappointment because
Speaker 2: of the expectations that we put on him and if
Speaker 2: he this is where he's going to go in drafts,
Speaker 2: we're not lowering those expectations at all. I don't like
Speaker 2: him going there. Like I would have took Tyreek over him.
Speaker 2: I would have took Eric Wilson over him. This might
Speaker 2: sound crazy we're getting into round three here, but like
Speaker 2: I would take Lad McConkey over him JSN. So at
Speaker 2: least as of now, things could change again, we're still
Speaker 2: in early February or mid February. But as of right now,
Speaker 2: that to me is my least favorite pick in the
Speaker 2: second round. I was gonna say though, last week Lakwan
Speaker 2: was like, I'm the low guy on Kyrien Williams. He
Speaker 2: took him in the second round, he passed.
Speaker 1: So he passed on Puka, he takes Kyron. I'm I
Speaker 1: don't know if he was hacked or what was going
Speaker 1: on with Lakwan.
Speaker 2: The Cooper Cup. Later on, like dude, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of rams going on with this, uh, this draft of his.
Speaker 1: There's a whole Yeah, there's a whole lot happening with
Speaker 1: Lawan's team. Yeah. I am sad he's not here because
Speaker 1: he has some things he has to answer for. Uh
Speaker 1: for sure, I'm Christian McCaffrey at two six. I don't
Speaker 1: hate it. I just I think I'm hesitant to draft
Speaker 1: McCaffrey at all this year.
Speaker 2: I get it, if you're gonna take him, I think
Speaker 2: the second round is where you have to. And ye,
Speaker 2: there's obviously like he could be the RB one again,
Speaker 2: Like there's an obvious upside there. But I also feel
Speaker 2: like he's riskier now than because in past years when
Speaker 2: he missed time, I was always like, it's fine, like
Speaker 2: draft him, Like especially that one year where he it
Speaker 2: was like a shoulder injury and a hamstring injury. I'm like,
Speaker 2: those two things aren't connected at all. It was just
Speaker 2: bad luck. But he's older now, there's more wear and
Speaker 2: tear on the tires and the Achilles thing that that
Speaker 2: I hear Achilles, and I immediately am like I don't
Speaker 2: want to touch that at all. And and you as
Speaker 2: a forty nine Ers fan know how how big of
Speaker 2: a story it was and how hard it was to
Speaker 2: trust him last year. So if you're out on him,
Speaker 2: that only makes me want to be even more so
Speaker 2: out on him.
Speaker 1: Well, it's well, it was hard to trust McCaffrey. It's
Speaker 1: even harder to trust the forty nine er organization when
Speaker 1: it comes to information about you know, their injury. And
Speaker 1: I get it, like it's not advantageous to just blab
Speaker 1: to the world like what a guy's situation is. But
Speaker 1: the fact that the organization kind of kept stringing this
Speaker 1: along during the season only to basically, you know, we
Speaker 1: didn't get much right. It was forever before he got
Speaker 1: on the field, and it didn't last very long before
Speaker 1: he aggravated the injury, and we just didn't see him
Speaker 1: again for the rest of the year. So I, you know,
Speaker 1: I just have a little bit of nervousness. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe if he falls a little farther, we can talk
Speaker 1: about it. First sight end off the board, brock Bouers
Speaker 1: at the two ten spots, You feel okay with that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I, And I didn't even have to what I
Speaker 2: saw the next tight end go off the board. I
Speaker 2: didn't even need to look at who it was that
Speaker 2: selected him.
Speaker 1: That's right, because Buyers goes two ten. I come around
Speaker 1: the second pick of the third round and I took
Speaker 1: Trey McBride. Yeah, I just I don't want to be
Speaker 1: the person streaming tight end. I can't. You know, I've
Speaker 1: planted my flag that McBride's going to finish the year
Speaker 1: as the tight end one. So this was sort of
Speaker 1: me reaffirming that belief by making him the same and tied
Speaker 1: in off the board, taking him with the second pick
Speaker 1: in the third round. First quarterback off the board happens
Speaker 1: in the third round. You know, I know you're okay
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen being the first quarterback off the board?
Speaker 1: Are you okay with him at three seven?
Speaker 2: I'm okay with him there, But I'm never going to
Speaker 2: be the person doing it because likely you know, I
Speaker 2: love Alan, that's my guy. But like, what's the difference
Speaker 2: between him and al and Lamar? Like a lot of
Speaker 2: people are gonna have Lamars QB one coming into next year,
Speaker 2: and Lamar went what was it?
Speaker 1: Nine spots later?
Speaker 2: Nine spots later, and then you get Jaden Daniels over
Speaker 2: a round later. You, I thought, came away with the
Speaker 2: best quarterback value, Marcus, because you got Jalen Hurts in
Speaker 2: the fifth round, and I keep saying I think there's
Speaker 2: like a clear cut top five, but I want the
Speaker 2: fifth one. And it does appear that Hurts is going
Speaker 2: to be the fifth one off the board. And you
Speaker 2: get him over two rounds after Josh Allen and over
Speaker 2: a round later or close to a round later than
Speaker 2: like Lamar and those other guys. I think that's just
Speaker 2: a great value. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I felt good about it again because it was it
Speaker 1: was right at the cutoff where look, if I didn't
Speaker 1: get Hurts, then I was definitely gonna wait on a quarterback.
Speaker 1: But the fact that he was still there second pick
Speaker 1: of the fifth round, I said, Okay, I can pull
Speaker 1: the trigger on this, and I can feel okay, and
Speaker 1: I can continue sort of roster buildings. So by the
Speaker 1: fifth round I've got I got two wide receivers and
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase in the first. I took Brandon Ayuk in
Speaker 1: the fourth at the end of the fourth round just
Speaker 1: because I feel like he's going to rebound, and especially
Speaker 1: if the Niners, if they do trade Deebo Samuel, I healthy,
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk still gets plenty of targets there in that offense.
Speaker 1: So I got my two receivers. I took Josh Jacobs
Speaker 1: in the second, I took Trade McBride in the third,
Speaker 1: and I got Jalen Hurts in the fifth. So I
Speaker 1: feel really good about those first five picks.
Speaker 2: I almost took Brandon Ayuk in my fourth round pick,
Speaker 2: and then you got him at the end of the fourth,
Speaker 2: So full rounds between us.
Speaker 1: And that's where. But it's right about that spot where
Speaker 1: I felt a little bit yeah about the receivers that
Speaker 1: were out there, Like I took Ayuk at four to
Speaker 1: eleven to pick right before him was Xavier Worthy earlier
Speaker 1: in that round, DK metcalf went. But some of the
Speaker 1: receivers that went right after Iu, Chris olave Goo's early
Speaker 1: fifth Jamison Williams early fifth, rookie Teed McMillan out of
Speaker 1: the University of Arizona was early in the fifth round.
Speaker 1: Jalen waddles, A, Flowers, Rashi Rice good players, just I
Speaker 1: didn't feel comfortable with them in that spot.
Speaker 2: I felt the same and I'm the one that took
Speaker 2: Rashi Rice. And the reason I did well because all
Speaker 2: those other names you said were gone by it came
Speaker 2: to me, but I also felt like you, like, I
Speaker 2: don't love any of these guys, so I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: for the one that I think has the most upside,
Speaker 2: and that to me was Rashi Rice. But at that point,
Speaker 2: but I also agree with you one hundred percent with
Speaker 2: what you like. I Duke is going to be or
Speaker 2: should be the number one wide receiver, top target in
Speaker 2: this forty nine ers offense this year, and we already
Speaker 2: saw it like last year, was going two rounds earlier
Speaker 2: than this, so you're getting a discount already and he
Speaker 2: could be even better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And on top of it, with IUK, the injury
Speaker 1: happened relatively early in the season. He played seven games,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of in the earlier part of the season,
Speaker 1: so it's given him a little longer runway to get healthy,
Speaker 1: to rehab a little bit, and hopefully now that he's
Speaker 1: got a contract, we see him at training camp, we
Speaker 1: see him actually working out with the team, so he's
Speaker 1: ready to go for week once. That gives me a
Speaker 1: little bit more more confidence about it, got plenty more
Speaker 1: to dive into. That is just a quick overview of
Speaker 1: the first five rounds or so, we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: some more favorite picks, maybe questionable picks, just some of
Speaker 1: the early overall takeaways from what we took out of
Speaker 1: this first mock draft. Stick around for more of the
Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football Show, diving into our first mock of
Speaker 1: the off season. Florio mentioned at the top of the show,
Speaker 1: we are hoping to do maybe one of these a month.
Speaker 1: They're bouts and great putting it out there on social media.
Speaker 1: Having a lot of different folks jump in definitely better
Speaker 1: than having it be an auto draft only with the
Speaker 1: three of us, because then that just throws things off.
Speaker 1: But kind of diving in back to the sixth round here,
Speaker 1: at this point, it just sort of seemed like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if there was a real flow to the
Speaker 1: draft from this point on. And I get the sense
Speaker 1: like that has a lot to do with because it's
Speaker 1: so early and ADPs haven't settled and we haven't gone
Speaker 1: through free agency yet, that people haven't really figured out
Speaker 1: where a lot of guys should be slotted right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of people spend like and
Speaker 2: it's what we have kind of been focusing on, is
Speaker 2: like the early portion of the draft because the high
Speaker 2: end guys we kind of know. Some of them still
Speaker 2: could change via free agency or quarter back or whatever.
Speaker 2: But for the most part, these are guys that are
Speaker 2: kind of they're so good that they're locked into their
Speaker 2: team and their role. But when you get into the
Speaker 2: middle and later portions of the draft, yeah, a lot
Speaker 2: of that comes down to like volume, opportunity, stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and we don't we don't have any of those answers yet.
Speaker 2: You also did see older players fall, probably like I
Speaker 2: was shocked DeVante. I'm not taking Davante Adams most likely,
Speaker 2: but middle of the seventh round, Like to me, that
Speaker 2: felt like a like, Okay, he's probably fell further than
Speaker 2: he should have.
Speaker 1: Probably, But I think everybody sort of had the same feeling,
Speaker 1: right because I looked at DeVante adams name and it's
Speaker 1: sat at the top of the list for a long time,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I can't do it. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know where he's going to be. I don't
Speaker 1: know what his situation is. Yeah, he's still one of
Speaker 1: the better receivers in the NFL, but he is getting older,
Speaker 1: you know. I think it's just there were so many
Speaker 1: question marks, and I think a lot of people just
Speaker 1: sort of passed to the point whereas you mentioned, then
Speaker 1: suddenly you're in the middle of the seventh round and
Speaker 1: it's like what are we doing here? And and then
Speaker 1: he ends up getting drafted. So yeah, I just it
Speaker 1: just felt like there was a weird flow to this draft.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I got to the eighth round.
Speaker 1: I took Stefan Diggs. At the end of the eighth round,
Speaker 1: I just looked at the list and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't love any of the options out there anymore.
Speaker 1: Like it just seemed to all fall apart by like
Speaker 1: late seventh early eighth round.
Speaker 2: For me, I think you did a good job there.
Speaker 2: Of like, Diggs is a safer option. He doesn't bring
Speaker 2: like the top five upside that it used to bring,
Speaker 2: but he's still very very safe. But then you paired
Speaker 2: him with Hollywood Brown, who brings absolutely no floor but
Speaker 2: a lot of upside as the potential big play threat
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs. So that's something when I'm in the
Speaker 2: later rounds of drafts that I will do. Sometimes I'll
Speaker 2: be like, all right, I'm gonna get this guy who
Speaker 2: if I'm in a pinch or whatever, or or if
Speaker 2: I still am filling out my roster. I don't mind
Speaker 2: like my starting lineup. I don't mind starting this guy,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna pair him with someone that if he hits,
Speaker 2: I'm pulling Digs out of my lineup for this guy
Speaker 2: because the upside is so high. So that's the strategy
Speaker 2: that I love to do, especially that portion of the draft.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and that's sort of what I went. Three
Speaker 1: wide receivers in a row seven, eight nine. It's like
Speaker 1: Romo Dunes in the seventh, Stefan Diggs in the eighth,
Speaker 1: and in Hollywood Brown in the ninth. So at that
Speaker 1: point I felt like I was pretty good at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I gotta get back to your draft, though, because like
Speaker 1: six seven eighties took TJ. Hockinson, which I know you
Speaker 1: said you were kind of gotta weight on a tight end.
Speaker 1: Is this about where you plan to make the move
Speaker 1: when you can.
Speaker 2: So I think what I'm kind of figuring out is
Speaker 2: I'm probably like five six if I could get one
Speaker 2: of like Kittle Andrews Hockinson, I think I'll pull I'll
Speaker 2: pull that on, like pull the trigger on that. But
Speaker 2: if I miss out on those guys, then I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm saying, whatever, and I'll be one of these teams
Speaker 2: that took their tight end and like the tenth round er.
Speaker 2: So but I don't know. I felt like at six,
Speaker 2: just like you were saying, like, I didn't love I
Speaker 2: already had three wide receivers at that point. I didn't
Speaker 2: love any of the others like George Pickens I was considering.
Speaker 2: I definitely did not like any of the running backs
Speaker 2: that were there, not enough to take as my third.
Speaker 2: So I was like, and quarterback, my plan was to wait.
Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, I'll take the tight
Speaker 2: end here that me I don't mean and you were
Speaker 2: in on TJ. Hockinson, Lakwan is not. But I feel
Speaker 2: like a healthy TJ. Hockinson could get me nine hundred
Speaker 2: yards and like six seven touchdowns and be a top
Speaker 2: five tight end.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I'm with you on that. I think. You know,
Speaker 1: last year, obviously he was coming back from a major injury.
Speaker 1: We didn't see him until late in the season. It
Speaker 1: took him a while to sort of get up to speed.
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, I think a healthy TJ. Hawkinson
Speaker 1: is still a very productive player.
Speaker 2: Do you think I made a mistake taking him over
Speaker 2: Andrews cause I went. Once I saw Mark Andrews go
Speaker 2: right after me, I was like, did I did I
Speaker 2: go wrong?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, I don't, and I like Mark Andrews.
Speaker 1: But you do start to wonder if if the decline
Speaker 1: is happening a little bit. That was my concern, you
Speaker 1: know that, just whether or not he's starting to decline
Speaker 1: a little, partially just because of him, partially because it
Speaker 1: seems like the Ravens want to incorporate wide receivers more.
Speaker 1: You know what we saw out of Zay Flowers. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what Rashad Bateman is going
Speaker 1: to be at this point, but it does seem like
Speaker 1: they want to start incorporating other pass catchers. You know,
Speaker 1: Isaiah likely had a huge game in Week one. He
Speaker 1: might be the best tight end two in football, like
Speaker 1: I think most teams likely as a starter. Probably it
Speaker 1: probably is for sure. So no, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think you you went wrong by by taking Hawkinson over
Speaker 1: Andrews at all.
Speaker 2: Thank you, because I I that was the one pick
Speaker 2: that when I made it, I was like, you ever
Speaker 2: had that? I'm sure you have happened on time. But
Speaker 2: like when you make a pick and then you immediately
Speaker 2: start second guessing, like, ah, did I leave the better
Speaker 2: player on the board, Like.
Speaker 1: Usually it's the it's the oh crap, I forgot that
Speaker 1: dude was there? Ye what am I doing this sort
Speaker 1: of thing? So no, I understand it, But I think
Speaker 1: you were fine at that one. Just sort of scanning
Speaker 1: the rest of this year. Any thought, like, so you
Speaker 1: get Kyler Murray over Jordan Love. The thoughts on that
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield comes off the board fairly late in the
Speaker 1: ninth round, I mean, after Love, after Nicks. That surprised me.
Speaker 1: I think a little bit.
Speaker 2: I'm cool with Murray going ahead of Love because he
Speaker 2: can run. But I I and look, I was the
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes guy when we did our rankings last week.
Speaker 2: I was the only one that had him in the
Speaker 2: top six. But I think after the top five quarterbacks
Speaker 2: there should be a multiple round gap between that cause,
Speaker 2: like to me, the top five guys are the clear
Speaker 2: cut five best fantasy quarterbacks in the game. So like
Speaker 2: to me, taking Mahomes four picks after you took Jalen
Speaker 2: Hurts felt like throwing all the value away, right, being
Speaker 2: like I don't want to miss out on a quarterback,
Speaker 2: I'm chasing it and even getting like Kyler Murray in
Speaker 2: the sixth round, Like, I don't think that's a big
Speaker 2: enough gap for me to want to take a quarterback. There.
Speaker 2: There were a lot of quarterbacks that went like bo
Speaker 2: Knicks winning round eight, Baker, and nine. I didn't take
Speaker 2: my quarterbacks till round eleven and twelve, and I took
Speaker 2: Kleb and Drake May, but like Herbert and Goff went
Speaker 2: later than that. Purdy dak So to me, I understand
Speaker 2: firmly taking a top five quarterback, but if you miss
Speaker 2: out on those top five, I think you should immediately
Speaker 2: pivot to Like, all right, I'm gonna wait a few
Speaker 2: rounds now, because as much as I love like Mahomes
Speaker 2: is my QB six, if I'm not getting any discount
Speaker 2: and I'm paying a similar price to the top five, now,
Speaker 2: I need him to be as good as those guys,
Speaker 2: and I don't feel comfortable that he will be. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that Mahomes is probably my least favorite pick in this draft,
Speaker 2: but all of the quarterbacks that win right after the
Speaker 2: top five, I feel like I'd rather just wait a
Speaker 2: couple rounds to get someone that's pretty similar.
Speaker 1: So Kyler goes with the last pick in the sixth round.
Speaker 1: We go over a round until the next quarterback, which
Speaker 1: is Jordan Love at eight dot two. Bo Nicks later
Speaker 1: that round at eight dot nine Baker Mayfield at nine
Speaker 1: to three. Then after Baker we go again. We go
Speaker 1: almost a full round.
Speaker 3: C J.
Speaker 1: Stroud goes at at in the tenth round. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess I don't hate it because the person who
Speaker 1: took Stroud also took Josh Allen, So I guess this
Speaker 1: is where we are where CJ. Stroud is a QB two.
Speaker 2: Now huh, he's a QB two. But if I have
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, like at that point where CJ. Stroud was,
Speaker 2: there was still so many good quarterbacks that I would
Speaker 2: have just waited. But I do think it's something that
Speaker 2: we spoke about last week. But like quarterback, I don't
Speaker 2: want to say it's deeper than ever because we say
Speaker 2: that every year. But there's a lot of good options
Speaker 2: that I feel good about that you don't need to
Speaker 2: take as like a top twelve. Like I understand, not
Speaker 2: everyone is gonna want to go with Caleb and Drake
Speaker 2: may as their guys because there's a lot of projection
Speaker 2: there and a lot of hope that they take the
Speaker 2: next step. But I also would argue there's a lot
Speaker 2: of upside there with both of them. So I could
Speaker 2: have paired one of those two upside guys with a
Speaker 2: Dak or a Golf or a Herbert or a Purdy,
Speaker 2: someone safe. And with this draft really affirmed to me,
Speaker 2: Marcus is if I don't get a top five quarterback,
Speaker 2: I'm waiting, and I'm just taking two of these guys
Speaker 2: that I believe are all in this huge tier of
Speaker 2: second quarterbacks which is ten plus deep. That to me,
Speaker 2: they're all like I know, Lakwan loves bon Nicks, I
Speaker 2: don't think there's a huge difference between bo Nicks and
Speaker 2: Drake May and I got a four round discount on them.
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of quarterbacks like that, where like
Speaker 2: I'd rather have Caleb over Stroud straight up got him
Speaker 2: around and a half later. I think there's not a
Speaker 2: huge difference between someone like Jordan Love and Brock Purdy,
Speaker 2: but you got a four round discount on them. So
Speaker 2: it just kind of made me realize that waiting is
Speaker 2: probably the way I'm going with quarterback this year.
Speaker 1: So I would say this because I saw your Caleb
Speaker 1: Drake May and back to back rounds. In fact, with
Speaker 1: back to back picks Caleb to in the eleventh round
Speaker 1: Drake May to start the twelf. That feels like a
Speaker 1: February Yes, like it feels like a thing that you
Speaker 1: do in February to say like, hey, this is like,
Speaker 1: this is what I like. These are guys. I like that.
Speaker 1: Maybe you get to August and you're starting to draft
Speaker 1: a little bit for real, You're.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, maybe not, I'll pair one with like a
Speaker 2: safer guy. I also think both of those two guys, though,
Speaker 2: are going their ADPs are going to go up in
Speaker 2: my vimion, like I think the Patriots bringing receivers or whatever,
Speaker 2: and I think everyone just realizes, like Caleb is still
Speaker 2: good and he's Ben Johnson now, and like, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: all we really need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right after you took Drake May Scheud where Sanders
Speaker 1: goes off the board, you mentioned at the top a
Speaker 1: lot of rookies and I'm looking pff night who he
Speaker 1: took one, two, three, four in the chart five six rookies.
Speaker 1: He drafted six rookies in this one started with John
Speaker 1: c in the second he took Omarion Hampton in the sixth,
Speaker 1: a Meccabuka, a wide receiver from Ohio State in the eighth.
Speaker 1: Let's see who he took. Uh, Let's see Caleb Johnson
Speaker 1: that was in the ninth round. I took Matt Matthew
Speaker 1: Golden wide receiver from Texas in the eleventh. And then
Speaker 1: with Cam Loveland is it Colston Loveland, I should say,
Speaker 1: tied in from Michigan that was in the twelfth round.
Speaker 1: So he was all and he pushed all the chips
Speaker 1: in the rookies.
Speaker 2: I will fully admit come next month, I will probably
Speaker 2: be more aggressive with the rookies because I'm still in
Speaker 2: the early process of getting ready for the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: I know some guys that I like, but I'm not
Speaker 2: at the point where I'm like flag planting for them
Speaker 2: or anything yet. If we run this back in a month,
Speaker 2: I probably will feel a little bit different. But I
Speaker 2: understand his thinking because rookies are the ultimate lottery ticket. Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: every year, at the end of the year, I go
Speaker 2: look through like the top scorers and figure out who
Speaker 2: stands out, and like it's almost always rookies that are
Speaker 2: the ones that are Like I did not expect this
Speaker 2: person to be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, and I get it right. It's and
Speaker 1: again this is this is February too. Like you can
Speaker 1: sort of take these big swings and you can make
Speaker 1: these declarations. I do think some of these guys as
Speaker 1: more people start to kind of study them as we
Speaker 1: go through the combine, because you know, the combine always
Speaker 1: gives guys a bump in certain places. I think we
Speaker 1: will start to see some of these ADPs for some
Speaker 1: of these rookies go up. I took cam Ward in
Speaker 1: the thirteenth. I just didn't want to be left out.
Speaker 1: I wanted to have a rookie, you know, So I
Speaker 1: pair him with Jalen Hurts. I do. I'm curious. I
Speaker 1: think it'll be interesting.
Speaker 2: Do you do you have a preference yet between Sanders
Speaker 2: and Ward.
Speaker 1: I think I prefer cam Ward over Sar Sanders. You know,
Speaker 1: I watched Sudur at Colorado. I watched it more last
Speaker 1: year than this year. I did catch a couple of
Speaker 1: games this year. I don't think his ceiling.
Speaker 3: Is quite as high as Wards is, so just like you,
Speaker 3: I think he I think he has the safer floor,
Speaker 3: like I think you can you kind of know what
Speaker 3: you're getting out of him.
Speaker 2: He's pro ready. But Ward's tools to me are are
Speaker 2: so elite one that I think, like you said, the
Speaker 2: upside is higher. But I also think for fantasy, he
Speaker 2: is going He's gonna run a little bit more. He's
Speaker 2: got a stronger arm, some more big play capability. When
Speaker 2: I watched Sanders, I was like, he runs, he can run,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't. It's a lot like Kalob. I feel
Speaker 2: like like he doesn't want to run. If anything, he
Speaker 2: wants to use his legs to create for his arm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was certainly that first year at Colorado.
Speaker 1: That was one of my frustrations watching Shoulders that I
Speaker 1: felt like he probably should have run more, especially because
Speaker 1: that first year the offensive line was so bad that
Speaker 1: he was consistently under pressure that I felt like, hey man,
Speaker 1: every now and then, you just got to take off,
Speaker 1: you know, do something so at least freeze the linebackers.
Speaker 1: If they know that you can take off, then they
Speaker 1: got to really think about it a whole lot. But
Speaker 1: that was never the case that I felt he held
Speaker 1: the ball too long. I think it improved a little
Speaker 1: bit last year, but I think I think that's an
Speaker 1: element of his game that I would like to see
Speaker 1: get used a little more.
Speaker 2: I think people are gonna see him and be like,
Speaker 2: he could be like Jaden Daniels. But I don't think
Speaker 2: he's ever gonna run like that.
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I just don't think that's his game.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, that's just not who he is as
Speaker 1: a as a quarterback. So I you know, I think
Speaker 1: if that's what you're hoping for, I think you're going
Speaker 1: to be very disappointed. All right, So you asked me
Speaker 1: about about taking Hawkinson, I got to ask you about
Speaker 1: a thing I did in the kind of later rounds.
Speaker 1: I went three three rounds of a round. I went
Speaker 1: Blake Kormanton Rico Dowdell at eleven, Kamani Vidal at twelve.
Speaker 1: I already had Josh Jacobs and Aaron Jones. These sort
Speaker 1: of felt like, hey man, these guys potentially could pop off.
Speaker 1: I don't know about Dwell so much, but I do
Speaker 1: think Korum maybe gets a bigger role. I think Vadal
Speaker 1: potentially gets a bigger role. Understanding that there may be
Speaker 1: guys ahead of them, but I just sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: they're not quite the lottery ticket of a rookie, but
Speaker 1: you know there may be a scratcher or something.
Speaker 2: No. I think you crushed it with this portion of
Speaker 2: the draft because uh Korum, like you said, could one,
Speaker 2: he's one injury away from becoming in like an RB one,
Speaker 2: because if Kiren goes down, all of that workload is
Speaker 2: going to play koram Videll. We saw the flashes at
Speaker 2: times last year, but Gus Edwards is dust at this point,
Speaker 2: I think. And as much as JK. Dobbins was awesome,
Speaker 2: there's a long injury history there. Even last year he
Speaker 2: missed time with injuries. So if they don't bring anyone in,
Speaker 2: he's an injury away from being a weekly RB two,
Speaker 2: I would say. And then Rico free agent, depends where
Speaker 2: he goes. But I mean, you got a running back
Speaker 2: who just put up a thousand yards in round eleven
Speaker 2: like that. That's never a bad pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I sort of I sort of enjoyed,
Speaker 1: you know that little run I had of three straight
Speaker 1: running backs. It was like I said, it's not quite
Speaker 1: zero RB, but sort of zero RB.
Speaker 2: I didn't one of my picks that I didn't understand
Speaker 2: at all. Why did de Hunter Swift make it to
Speaker 2: the last pick in the ninth round.
Speaker 1: I don't know other than other than I you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen some things that he could end up being
Speaker 1: kind of a cap casualty. I guess, Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I don't even know if that's the case.
Speaker 1: I'm I might just be making that up. I'm not
Speaker 1: even sure. So I'm trying to I try to figure
Speaker 1: out why it is that that you got him at
Speaker 1: nine to twelve. I don't know.
Speaker 2: At no point in this draft was I'm like, I
Speaker 2: need DeAndre Swift. But I'm sitting there in the ninth round,
Speaker 2: I have two running backs, and I'm like, he's All
Speaker 2: the other guys on the board here are backup, like
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, legitimately, like zach Sharbonint went ahead of him,
Speaker 2: a bunch of rookies win ahead of him, but like
Speaker 2: I got him. And then in the next round, like
Speaker 2: that's when like Korum and and Spears and Javonte were going.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I I'm not a huge DeAndre
Speaker 2: Swift fan, but this just feels like good value. And
Speaker 2: this won't be the case come August if he's the
Speaker 2: bear starting running back.
Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of good values, You're getting Ricky
Speaker 1: Piersall in the tenth feels really nice.
Speaker 2: I won't lie. I wanted to take Travis Hunter there,
Speaker 2: but I was like, Pierceall feels like just because he
Speaker 2: could be the leadst this.
Speaker 1: Top slot guy this year. Yeah again, I mean with
Speaker 1: you know, Debo asking for a trade and the Niners
Speaker 1: looking as though they were going to accommodate that request.
Speaker 1: The thought process when Piersall was drafted is that he
Speaker 1: was going to be the eventual replacement for either Brandon
Speaker 1: Ayuk or Deebo Samuel, whichever one of them didn't get
Speaker 1: signed to a contract. They obviously bring Ayuk back. Now
Speaker 1: it looks like Debo's going to be heading out. It
Speaker 1: really does feel like it's opened the door for Ricky Piersol. Now,
Speaker 1: mind you, Piersall had that huge game late in the season.
Speaker 1: The Niners lost to the Lions, but Piersall eight catches
Speaker 1: for one hundred and forty one yards at a touchdown.
Speaker 1: He had another really good game kind of in mid
Speaker 1: November where he had four for seventy three in a touchdown.
Speaker 1: So you know, we have seen Ricky Pearsall go out
Speaker 1: and be productive. And now with the opportunity to have
Speaker 1: more snaps, more.
Speaker 2: Targets, not be coming off of a gunshot injury.
Speaker 1: That part too, it does feel like that's an ADP
Speaker 1: that's to go up. I think people are going to
Speaker 1: start to catch on and like, oh yeah, I thought.
Speaker 2: Him, and I will admit like I loved getting Jalen
Speaker 2: McMillan in round eight, but that felt like a the
Speaker 2: ADP was very suppressed. This won't be the case in
Speaker 2: the summer.
Speaker 1: You know. It's also some of that too, like as
Speaker 1: you as we're doing mocks on different platforms and the
Speaker 1: draft list is what it is, because that has a
Speaker 1: lot to do with ADPs. I think early on, because
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you do try to scroll, sometimes you
Speaker 1: miss names, or the way things are set up, you
Speaker 1: know some guys are higher on the list and so
Speaker 1: you just end up drafting them. I think as ADPs
Speaker 1: start to come into form, and as different platforms sort
Speaker 1: of change their rankings, lists and their draft list, I
Speaker 1: think you'll start to see some of these change. But man,
Speaker 1: Piercell on the tenth it feels great, Like I.
Speaker 2: Scrolled pretty far on Running Back and I did not
Speaker 2: see Bucky Irving's name, and he ended up going in
Speaker 2: the fourth round. I don't think he goes in the
Speaker 2: fourth round at all, Like I didn't. He's a second
Speaker 2: maybe probably third round pick in my opinion next year.
Speaker 2: But that felt like one to me that was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: if his name was higher on the list, he probably doesn't.
Speaker 1: Fall that far. Yeah. Some other picks that that caught
Speaker 1: in my eye. Tight end was interesting. Tyler Warren, who
Speaker 1: I think is going to be a stud tight end
Speaker 1: out of Penn State. He goes. He goes in the
Speaker 1: eighth round, one pick ahead of Travis Kelsey. Kelsey's going
Speaker 1: to be an interesting case because I guess, first we
Speaker 1: need to know if he's actually playing football next year.
Speaker 2: I said they gave him some March fourteenth, and people
Speaker 2: who are like, oh, he's waiting to see if m
Speaker 2: will be the show is worth retiring for or not.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, Kelsey goes at the eight that six. He's
Speaker 1: going to be one that I think is very much
Speaker 1: in flux depending on what his future plans are going
Speaker 1: to be. I don't know any other any other ones
Speaker 1: maybe like the later rounds that jumped out to you good,
Speaker 1: bad or otherwise.
Speaker 2: Well, one I knew in the tenth round like once
Speaker 2: tight end started going, I was like, I don't even
Speaker 2: need to look at who's taking Johnny Smith. I know
Speaker 2: that's Lakwan. I thought, to me, was interesting to see
Speaker 2: a couple of big like Amari Cooper in the eleventh round.
Speaker 2: I know he's a free agent, but still, this is
Speaker 2: a guy who's been a top four round pick for
Speaker 2: years now, and then like Tank Dell. I understand injuries,
Speaker 2: but him going in round twelve kind of Marvin Mims
Speaker 2: in the thirteenth, like no one pulls him up after
Speaker 2: the end of year that he had. So yeah, to me,
Speaker 2: it was more that some of these veterans, and I
Speaker 2: felt like there was there was value on Year two players,
Speaker 2: Like you got Ben Snatt, who everyone loved at this
Speaker 2: time last year, you got him in the fifteenth round.
Speaker 2: Because we're fantasy analysts. Fantasy people were like goldfish, Like
Speaker 2: you put a new shiny toy in front of us,
Speaker 2: and we're like, forget about all these guys we loved
Speaker 2: last year. So I always think that Year two players
Speaker 2: who didn't quite live up to expectation in year one
Speaker 2: could be could be a value. And this kind of
Speaker 2: showed that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I liked Sinnet. I did not think
Speaker 1: last year was going to be his year. Zach Ertz
Speaker 1: was still there, and granted Ertz obviously getting older, what
Speaker 1: have you, but I just didn't think there was going
Speaker 1: to be a real opening for him there last year.
Speaker 1: This year could be a little bit different. I think
Speaker 1: we see him get on the field a little bit.
Speaker 1: One of the things I just I just noticed this
Speaker 1: Pete Davidson talking about waiting on a quarterback, and then
Speaker 1: in back to back rounds thirteen fourteen, he gets Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert and Jared Goff. I mean to wait that long
Speaker 1: and still get those two quarterbacks, That's that's a steal
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which to me shows again like how deep that
Speaker 2: position is. M I was surprised too. Anthony Richardson went
Speaker 2: ahead of like Brock perty, Justin Herbert, Jared Goff. We
Speaker 2: talked about Richardson last week that he brings all the
Speaker 2: same upsides, so I think it's like a great pick,
Speaker 2: But I did not think that he would go ahead
Speaker 2: of some of those safer quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting too, because he had Nate poll Vote took
Speaker 1: Richard's and at the end of the twelve paired him
Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray, which I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a ceiling on Kyler, like he's
Speaker 1: hit his ceiling and Richardson we need him to get
Speaker 1: up off the floor. So I you know, I would
Speaker 1: want I would want to have one of those guys
Speaker 1: be a little more consistent and explosive, just for my
Speaker 1: taste personally.
Speaker 2: It is kind of crazy though, because last year those
Speaker 2: guys were going like QB five and six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not now, not now. I do love Lawan planting
Speaker 1: his flag with Jalen Milroe. He has basically stated him
Speaker 1: how much he loves Milroe. He takes him in the
Speaker 1: fourteenth round that point, So that is kind of the
Speaker 1: quick overview of it. You know, we're gonna go pick
Speaker 1: by pick because that's kind of a little bit much.
Speaker 1: But we will post this on social media so you
Speaker 1: guys can take a look at that. You know how
Speaker 1: this thing turned out. You can obviously certainly leave your
Speaker 1: comments and your thoughts, tell us who you felt like
Speaker 1: I had a good draft, who did not, what have you.
Speaker 1: It's February. It's gonna change a whole lot. It'd be interesting.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting like in in July to come back
Speaker 1: and look at this one and be like, man, what
Speaker 1: were we thinking we should keep.
Speaker 2: A screenshot of everyone that we do? And then like
Speaker 2: so yeah, like come July, we could just look at
Speaker 2: all like six or whatever it will be and be like, wow,
Speaker 2: look at we were idiots here right, like what we
Speaker 2: did here? So like I always find that stuff fun.
Speaker 1: And it told me like remember when you got Ricky
Speaker 1: pearsall on the tenth, Now he's going in the seventh.
Speaker 1: You know, stop.
Speaker 2: Those kind of things by August.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those kind of things for sure.
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin in around end of round three though, I
Speaker 2: I I was so sad I didn't get him. I
Speaker 2: loved that pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but one pick ahead of you just you just
Speaker 1: missed him. And but then you got DJ Moore, which
Speaker 1: I don't think is a terrible actually paired him up
Speaker 1: with Did you mean to pair him with Caleb? Was
Speaker 1: that the plan or they just sort of happened? No,
Speaker 1: that just kind of happened. Yeah, all right, I don't
Speaker 1: hate it at all, not at all. Ten quick break,
Speaker 1: come back. We will talk some Olympic sprinters maybe something
Speaker 1: like that. Stick around for more of the NFL Fantasy
Speaker 1: Football show. Wrap it up the show and as always
Speaker 1: appreciate you hanging out with us. Saw this you know
Speaker 1: coming across the webs. Recently, Tyreek Hill, who we all
Speaker 1: know is very fast and who enjoys challenging other people,
Speaker 1: has challenged Olympic gold medalists medalists. Easy for me to say,
Speaker 1: Noah Lyles to a race in twenty twenty five. Now
Speaker 1: we don't have a date, we don't have a length
Speaker 1: of the race. Apparently Tyreek would prefer it being closer
Speaker 1: to forty yards. Lyles understandably wants it to be one
Speaker 1: hundred meters. That is one of his specialties. Simple question,
Speaker 1: can Tyreek Hill beat an Olympic sprinter in a race? No?
Speaker 2: I think he can, so I just have to google.
Speaker 2: One yard is almost equivalent to one meter, so.
Speaker 1: It's pretty close. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, Tyreek is incredibly fast. I think he's too bulky though,
Speaker 2: Like he's got a lot of muscle. Noah Lyles looks
Speaker 2: cut up up, but he's definitely a skinnier dude. Also,
Speaker 2: this is what Noah Lyles does every single day of
Speaker 2: his life. Like Tyreek is fast with pads on and
Speaker 2: like to cut in all of that, but just straight
Speaker 2: sprint speed. I don't know. I'm gonna go with the
Speaker 2: guy who's done it and won at a world champion
Speaker 2: level before.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I see. I think this is the
Speaker 1: reason though Tyreek understands a shorter race benefits him just
Speaker 1: because he is shorter than Lyles, he has shorter legs.
Speaker 1: I think he gets up to top speed quicker. But
Speaker 1: over the course of a longer race, when Lyles finally
Speaker 1: gets going, I think he eats up that space. I
Speaker 1: think he eats up that ground. Right, and you're talking
Speaker 1: about one hundred meters is about one hundred and ten yards,
Speaker 1: So it's like you're starting, so you start on one
Speaker 1: goal line and you go through the back of the
Speaker 1: other end zone basically is what it is.
Speaker 2: That's insane. I did not realize it was that far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about one hundred and ten yards. So I
Speaker 1: think I think a longer race benefits Lyles. I think
Speaker 1: in the end, I think they'll probably meet in the
Speaker 1: middle somewhere like I don't know, sixty meters or something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, sixty seventy meters something like that is
Speaker 1: probably where they they sort of split.
Speaker 2: The difference they do you remember a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago when the Pro Bowl did like a track race
Speaker 2: and Tyreek participated, but he didn't really run, Like, right, Tyreek,
Speaker 2: if you're if we're setting this up, you need to
Speaker 2: be going one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Well, I think for this he will, right, because this
Speaker 1: is a chance for him to, yeah, sort of claim
Speaker 1: supremacy for NFL players, because I know that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's you know, Noah Lyles likes to take shots at
Speaker 1: other sports. Tyreek Hill definitely wants to stand up for
Speaker 1: NFL players in a race. Yeah, so this is there,
Speaker 1: This is the opportunity.
Speaker 2: I understand Lyle's argument with like the whole you're not
Speaker 2: a world champion thing with other shits, but with football
Speaker 2: it is null and void because please find another team
Speaker 2: outside of the thirty two NFL teams that could beat
Speaker 2: the in a game right now, Like you can't, You're.
Speaker 1: Not You're not gonna do it. I mean they are.
Speaker 1: They are the world champions by default because you know,
Speaker 1: it's our sport and no one else really plays I
Speaker 1: mean like no one else really plays it at a
Speaker 1: high level anywhere else in the world. It's not like basketball,
Speaker 1: where you know there are a lot of really good
Speaker 1: basketball players in other countries and good teams in other countries.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen that the gap between the USA
Speaker 1: and the other countries, at least in men's basketball, and
Speaker 1: in women's I guess too, But certainly in men's basketball
Speaker 1: that gap has closed pretty significantly over the last few years.
Speaker 2: And in baseball, I don't know if we're if we're
Speaker 2: the we have the most volume America does, but I
Speaker 2: don't know if we have the best anymore. Like Otani
Speaker 2: is easily the best player in baseball.
Speaker 1: Well, and I the World Baseball Classic. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's legitimately up for grabs every couple of years, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the US is competitive, but Japan is very good. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Puerto Rico has its own team, they're very good.
Speaker 1: You know, Mexico, you can go. You can start picking
Speaker 1: naming countries that are all really talented.
Speaker 2: Dominican Republic always is stacked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Dominican I mean, all these other countries have
Speaker 1: legitimate shots to win in baseball. You know, it's part
Speaker 1: of the reason, and that part of the reasoning was
Speaker 1: out of the Olympics for a while because we stopped
Speaker 1: winning it easily.
Speaker 2: I really don't want to send like pauls the season
Speaker 2: in the summer, but I'm always like I would sign
Speaker 2: up for that because that's when players are actually ready
Speaker 2: to compete. Whereas World Baseball Classic, they're also kind of
Speaker 2: using it to get ready for the season.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of spring training extra, is what
Speaker 1: that is. Yeah. Now I would be down with taking
Speaker 1: a two week break for the Olympics. I think it
Speaker 1: would be a great way to showcase the sport. I
Speaker 1: know that the commissioner's not really for it. I know
Speaker 1: Shohey made a case that they should do it. I
Speaker 1: think it would be cool when everybody's like warmed up,
Speaker 1: ear ready to go. But then again, also if you're
Speaker 1: the Pirates and Paul Schemes blows out his arm playing
Speaker 1: in the Olympics, yeah you're not going to be thrilled
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: And the Dodgers pretty much our team Japan right.
Speaker 1: Now, so pretty much. Yeah, that is true, very very
Speaker 1: true for sure. So any other players you would like
Speaker 1: to see in a race, maybe not evenst like an
Speaker 1: Olympic sprinter or anything.
Speaker 2: I think the obvious answer Xavier Worthy after what he
Speaker 2: did in the forty last year. I would still to
Speaker 2: this day, like we've had Chris Johnson on this show before,
Speaker 2: I to this day would love to see what what Like,
Speaker 2: I think he could outrun most NFL players today, even
Speaker 2: being as far removed from the game as he is.
Speaker 2: What I really want to see is let's have some
Speaker 2: big guys run right, like, yeah, one hundred meter for
Speaker 2: people who weigh over like three fifty or.
Speaker 1: Something like that. I think that's the thing that certainly
Speaker 1: non football fans I don't think understand is that, yeah,
Speaker 1: these guys are not you know, they're not as fast
Speaker 1: as Xavier Worthy. These guys are really fast. I mean
Speaker 1: they are shockingly fast for their size. The fact that
Speaker 1: even these linemen are running forty yards in under six seconds, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that a lot of people comprehend really
Speaker 1: how fast that is at that size. So I'd be
Speaker 1: down for that.
Speaker 2: I think the combine has broken people's brains because, like
Speaker 2: you'll see a running back run like a four to
Speaker 2: six and it's like, oh, well, careers over for him.
Speaker 2: And the difference between four six and four to four
Speaker 2: is like a microscopic second, Like it's these guys are
Speaker 2: all extremely fast and athletic and good at what they do.
Speaker 2: And a offensive lineman could run forty yards faster than
Speaker 2: most humans can like that, that just shows you how.
Speaker 1: Good of an athlete they are. Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: So I'd be down for that. And also I also
Speaker 1: want to just see, like, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford versus Patrick Mahomes or something like that.
Speaker 2: Old quarterback like Joe Flackover's Matt Stafford.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's why because for years I always wanted like
Speaker 1: a Peyton Manning Tom Brady foot race, Like that's what
Speaker 1: I wanted for a long time. Maybe we could still
Speaker 1: make that happen, Like I don't know, but you know
Speaker 1: I want something like that. Yeah, yeah, you don't get
Speaker 1: the Manning brother Let the Manning brothers race each other.
Speaker 1: I'd be down for that.
Speaker 2: If Lakwan was here right now, he'd probably be saying,
Speaker 2: like I could beat Tyreek and Noah Lyles in the
Speaker 2: hundred meter.
Speaker 1: I mean, what animals, You gotta fight a kangaroo like
Speaker 1: he wants to fight a kangaroo Like I wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't put a whole lot of oh Hue, we love you, man,
Speaker 1: but you're not fighting a kangaroo. You're not beating Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill in a race. For next show, I have to
Speaker 1: remember this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask him in our text chain what he
Speaker 2: thinks he can run the forty in, just to see
Speaker 2: what numbers he puts out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm very curious about that too. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so stick around for a Thursday show. We can get
Speaker 1: the more tales of more sales of Lakwan Jones greatness.
Speaker 1: That'd be amazing. In the meantime, that'll do it for
Speaker 1: this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Show. Stay happy,
Speaker 1: saved Elfie, do good and live well. Enjoy Today is
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