1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: your local station for the Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: for listening to the Herd podcast. 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: Here we go. 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 3: It is a fride day and we are loaded blazing 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 3: five off a winning week one. The Green Bay Packers 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 3: once again little sloppy, but put on a show last night, Jamak. 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: I had them number one in the Herd hierarchy. I 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: said it was the best team I saw in Week one, 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 3: and they have now totally shut down last season's number 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: one and number two most efficient offenses. 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: So I mean they it jumps off of TV, does 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: it not? This team is good essentially the first two 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: games they gave up nothing, the first three quarters nothing. 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 2: The defense is that good. Michael Parsons is unfreaking believable. 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's only playing sixty eight percent of the 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: snap so that'll go up to seventy eight and eighty eight. 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: So this I am absolutely sure of. As I start 23 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: my show on a Friday. Green Bay is the fastest 24 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: team in the NFL. They're tight ends run, they're defensive 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: ends run well, they're wide receivers, their quarterback can run, 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: and the spacing and speed is on display. Last night 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: was the youngest team in the league against the oldest, 28 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: and it looked like it. I have not seen a 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: defense in Green Bay that's aggressive. And there is not 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: another wide receiver tight end group in the NFL that 31 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: has this much speed and this much talent. 32 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: And they're not paying any of it. 33 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: Terry mcclaurin of Washington alone, alone makes ten million more 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: than the entire wide receiver and tight end group for 35 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: the Packers. And this is also the power of patience 36 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: that Green Bay is allowed to have. They can draft 37 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: Jordan Love and sit in for three years because they 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: don't have an owner, an impulsive guy at the top 39 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: pulling strings. They don't have a harsh and relentless local media, 40 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: and they have loyal fans and reasonable fans. So when 41 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: they dip their toe in free agency, like Micah, it's 42 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: worth it. The other thing I thought last night is, 43 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, people freak out green Bay gave up two 44 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: first round picks. You tell me what do they need? 45 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: They got their quarterback, they got their skill. I mean, 46 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: they've got their tackles, They've got their pass rusher, I 47 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: got their linebackers. That's when you can give up first 48 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: round picks. 49 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: What do they need? 50 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: I mean's And for the record, Matthew Golden, the kid 51 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: out of Texas again, it's going to take him until 52 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: week six, seven, eight nine. He's going to be another 53 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: track star. And here's the thing. Not only did they 54 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: blow out Detroit and I mean that game last night, 55 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it was a one score game. In 56 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, they were totally dominating it. The Packers 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: rolled and they were sloppy. I mean they got to 58 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: clean a lot of stuff up. They had ten penalties, 59 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: they were starting two backups on the offensive line. Micah 60 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: Parsons only took sixty eight snaps. And they have rolled 61 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: two very good rosters. And last year we like Green 62 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: Bay a lot, but they struggled against the best teams. 63 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: They were zero and six against Philadelphia, Detroit, and Minnesota. 64 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: Yeah that's over. 65 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: So the only time that Detroit and Washington felt like 66 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: they could compete was in the fourth quarter, in its 67 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: garbage time. So I mean this is they have four 68 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: different wide receivers. Green Bay does that according to next 69 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: Gen stabs run nineteen miles per hour or faster. Washington 70 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: has one Deebo lookd twitchy, and they'll get their offense 71 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: in Washington. You know, McLaurin showed up late. But I 72 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: mean sometimes you just have to watch and just be 73 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: honest about it. No team in the league. How often 74 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: did Green Bay players pull away from Washington players? It 75 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: could be reverses, bubble screens. I mean, it's a track 76 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: team that tackles well. So Jordan Loves how nine straight 77 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: games regular season games? Think about this, and Jordan Love 78 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: is a risk taker. He has more far than Aaron Rodgers. 79 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: He's got he's got a big arm, and he'll throw 80 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: it and he'll throw it on the move. He's an 81 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: aggressive quarterback. And Matt Lafleur is a pretty aggressive coach. 82 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: And yet Jordan Love has got nine straight regular season 83 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: games without a turnover. And you know why he's doing 84 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: that because he figured it out. Just get the ball 85 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: to this speed group and they'll do the rest. So 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: I mean this is to me, this is hands down 87 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: the most impressive team I've seen in the NFL, and 88 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: they're not paying anybody outside of Jordan Love. You know, 89 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: they're they're they're paying Mica, They're paying Jordan Love. They're 90 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: not paying a lot of people. So the future is 91 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: in incredibly bright. A lot of teams have to buy 92 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: free agents. You know, players are getting old and brittle. 93 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: Young players get hurt, but they return to action sooner. 94 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: So this team has so much depth at so many spots, 95 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: and again, young players, young athletes recover quicker. I don't 96 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: see any liability here holding this team back from getting 97 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: to a super Bowl. To me, I don't see a flaw. 98 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: Just they got to clean some stuff up. They're sloppy, 99 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: starters don't play in the preseason. It's week two that 100 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: you know. I don't take anything from the mistakes. They're 101 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: all easy to clean up. And here's Jordan Love on 102 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: the skill and speed that surrounds him. 103 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 4: It's one of those things where you know, we had 104 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 4: a goal coming to the season to start the season 105 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 4: off fast and build on the things we've done last year. 106 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 4: And obviously I think we got a really good offense 107 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 4: and we've been talking about, you know, the sky's the 108 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 4: limit home. We got so many playmakers We're really deep 109 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 4: on offense, and I just got to find ways to 110 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 4: go out there and you know, executing against good defenses 111 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 4: like them. 112 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: So I think it's ironic that the Miami Dolphins, previously 113 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: the previous three years, the fastest team in the NFL, 114 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: had a player's only meeting yesterday. And this is really 115 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: the difference between Green Bay. When I think of Green Bay, 116 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: I think of stability and patience. When I think of 117 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, I think of shortcuts and flash And 118 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: I've said this for years. I do think teams tend 119 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: to embody the culture of the city. Like when I 120 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: was a young kid in the seventies, Pittsburgh was known 121 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: as like that's where you made steel, and the Steelers 122 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: were tough. Of course they were tough. Pittsburgh's were tough. 123 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: People in Pittsburgh were tough. They made steel for the 124 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: rest of the country. Miami's always been a flashy town 125 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 1: and Dan Marino big arm, it been flashy. Miami's flashy. 126 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: You know, the last time they want a playoff game. 127 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: Dave Wanstat was a coach, great defense, great run game. 128 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: May want to get back to that. 129 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: But it's interesting watching and juxtaposing green Bay the fastest 130 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: team in the league where it jumps off the television 131 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: how fast they are, And it did for Miami for 132 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: three years, but they did it through a trade and 133 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: had to pay a fortune for it. Green Bay is 134 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: not paying any of their fast guys. So this is 135 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: the difference between you know, structure and stability and shortcuts. 136 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: And they always say there's an old saying speed kills 137 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, you know, it really kills bad GMing, bad coaching, 138 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: lack of culture. It makes even the fastest guys slower. 139 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: And the fact they had a player's only meeting after 140 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: the first week is a danger sign football the basic 141 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: ethos of football, and it will always be true again 142 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: the last playoff win in Miami with a defensive coach, 143 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: a run game and a defense and time of possession. 144 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: That football is built on details and drafting and development 145 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: and physicality and Miami's just not good at that. Now, 146 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: if you can play at elite speed on top of that, 147 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: that's green Bay. 148 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: But you know, I'm. 149 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: Watching the Packers last night and I'm thinking, as I'm 150 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: watching the game last night, this is what Miami thought 151 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: it would look like. We were just gonna get the 152 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: ball to the distributors run around. Yeah, but you didn't 153 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: have the coaching and the culture and the patience. 154 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: You know, that's the difference. And I'm not picking on Miami. 155 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: Because when they got Tyreek Hill and Jaden Waddle, You're like. 156 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: Oh, this is gonna be crazy. 157 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: But it should be noted not only is Wan Stat 158 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: a defensive guy who loved the run game, the last 159 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: guy to win a playoff game there. When I think 160 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: of the Miami Heat in that flashy city, you know 161 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: what I think of d Wade's defense, Haslam's defense, Lebron's defense, 162 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler's defense, pat Riley defense, Eric Spolstra defense. 163 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: When they were. 164 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: Winning, like you know, back to back Eastern Conference Championship series. 165 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: When they're getting into those games, they had a top 166 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:55,239 Speaker 1: three or four defense. 167 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: In the league. So Miami may live in. 168 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: That crazy, flashy speedboat town, but the core of Miami 169 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: has always been long practices, tough in physicality, and then 170 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: Tyler hero can go hit a three. But I you know, 171 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: I just looked at Green Bay and I thought this 172 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: is what Miami thought they would be. And they don't 173 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: have the stability, and they don't have the patients and 174 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: they're having a player's only meeting after week one. Yikes, 175 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: here's two on the meeting. 176 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 5: A lot of it has to do with communication, what 177 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 5: you want out of the guys, what the guys should 178 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 5: expect from you coming into a game like this week, 179 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 5: prior to the game that happened, from the performance that 180 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 5: I put out there, obviously it starts with me, but 181 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 5: with those guys, you know, just communicating to them what 182 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 5: our expectation is going into this week and being able 183 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 5: to move forward from that. You know, seventeen, we got 184 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 5: seventeen games that were you know, guaranteed that was one 185 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 5: of them. 186 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: It's a long season a half that, it certainly is. 187 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: Tom Brady was on the show yesterday and Tom Brady 188 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: had a lot to say and a very brutally honest 189 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: takedown of some bad coaching and bad quarterback play in 190 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: the NFL. 191 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 2: And we will talk about that coming up next. 192 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 6: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 193 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 6: and Noone eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 194 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 6: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 195 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 7: Hey what's up, everybody, It's me three time Pro bowler 196 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 7: LeVar Arrington, and I couldn't be more excited to announce 197 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 7: a podcast called up on Game. 198 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: What is up on Game? 199 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 7: You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. 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Dave Wanstat's 209 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: gonna sit next to me that we got some great stories. 210 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: You know green Bay's defensive coordinator, Jeff Hafley, Dave Wanstat 211 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: gave him his first job. Dave Wonstatt gave first job. 212 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: So I sort of got about a third of the league. 213 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: And he's going to join us on the Bears. He's 214 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: gonna join us on the Packers and the Miami Dolphins 215 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys and a lot of different topics. Today, 216 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: I will say this about green Bay. You know it 217 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: was really strange when a defensive when a head coach 218 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: in college quit and became a coordinator in the NFL, 219 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen a lot. But that's what the green 220 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: Bay Packers did. 221 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: The Lions. 222 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: No, no, no, they they got very insuler, very provincial. 223 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna just we're just gonna hire guys in the 224 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: building to replace these two coordinators. Green Bay is like, 225 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: now we're gonna try something that nobody really does. We're 226 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: gonna go hire a college head coach who's a very 227 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: good coach making a great living. We're gonna make him 228 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: an efensive coordinator. And you can't run on green Bay. 229 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: And Micah Parsons is still between the first two games, 230 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,119 Speaker 1: playing about fifty sixty percent. 231 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 2: Of the snaps. 232 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: So you can tell when a fighter has confidence because 233 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: they're aggressive. You know Mike Tyson's early days. Look at 234 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: the aggressiveness green Bay's defense plays with. It is an 235 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: attack style defense. Why they have so much confidence in 236 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: their ability and their speed to make up if they 237 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: get beat. So when you watch, when you watch a 238 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: defense that is hyper aggressive, that is a confident boxer. 239 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: That's somebody that leaves their chin open because they have 240 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: so much confidence in their ability to knock you out. 241 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: They're not worried about protecting themselves. When I'm watching Green 242 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: Bay on both sides, they are taking big swings down 243 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: the field. And here's the thing about Jordan Love. You know, 244 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: for years I said this about justin Fields. He's tall, 245 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: he's a good kid, his teammates like him, he's got 246 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: a great arm, he's athletic. Why doesn't it work? Jordan 247 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: Love is all those things, but it's just better from 248 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: the pocket and getting better coaching. So Jordan Love in 249 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: terms of traits, that's what NFL people call it. Traits, size, arm, mobility, athleticism, toughness. 250 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: His traits are unbelievable. And you know, we just don't 251 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: naturally put him into the top ten. But I mean, 252 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: Craft is going to be a multiple time pro bowler. 253 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: You just wait, wait till Matthew Golden gets a few 254 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: games under his belt from Texas and reads healthy. And 255 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs can be hit and miss on you know, dependability. 256 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: But why I'm watching Green Bay the last two weeks. 257 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: That is the best team in the league, and they're young, 258 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: and they're inexpensive at most positions. Mike and Jordan Lover 259 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: making money. They got a guard making some money, not 260 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: paying a lot of guys big money. So I mean, 261 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: here's the thing. They let go of Kenny Clark. Green 262 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: Bay let go of Kenny Clark, who's an elite interior lineman, 263 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: and their defense looks better. So that tells you how 264 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: well they've drafted and developed. They let go of an elite. 265 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: But I mean, you s saw Kenny Clark in Week 266 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: one against Philadelphia make an imprint. Kenny Clark's a really 267 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: good player. He's thirty thirty one years old, so he's 268 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: probably at the end of his peak. He's a good player. 269 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: Green Bay gave him up. They're not even playing. Mic 270 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: has seventy percent of the snaps, and they're a dominating 271 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: defense against the two most efficient offenses in the league. 272 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: Last year, Detroit and Washington totally shut him down, totally 273 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: discombobulated Jayden Daniels and the Detroit Lions. So this is 274 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: not a mirage. All right, Here we go. It is 275 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: time off a winning week. I think it's my first 276 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: winning week on Blazing five and week one in like forever. 277 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: Here we go, let's blaze it up up. It's Collins 278 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: blazing five. Rams at Titans. 279 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: I like the Titans and five and a half points. 280 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: This is the second lowest total on the board, so 281 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: it's got a you know, twenty three to twenty field 282 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: to it. I'm gonna take the five and a half points. 283 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: The Titans mistakes in Week one are easy to clean up. 284 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: They had a lot of drop passes and penalties, but 285 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: they got a real rush on bo Nicks. They forced 286 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: Inver into four turnovers, and the Rams offensive line two 287 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: of their top three offensive linemen are banged up. Rams 288 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: scored on their final drive of the first half in 289 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: their first drive of the second half, otherwise didn't score, 290 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: so I think this is low scoring. I think the 291 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: Titans mistakes against an aggressive, very good defense were understandable 292 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: for cam Ward's first game. I think I'm gonna take 293 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: the Titans. I think it's a twenty three to twenty game. 294 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: I'll take the Rams to win, but I'm absolutely taking 295 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: the five and a half points. With Tennessee Seahawks at Steelers, 296 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: take the under forty and a half. Pittsburgh's got too 297 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: much pride and too much talent to look like they 298 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: look in Week one. Defensively, they're gonna play with their 299 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: hair on fire. Defensively, Mike Tomlin had to be humiliated 300 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: by that. They have too many good players. And Seattle's offense, 301 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be a high powered offense. It's a 302 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: run first offense. They don't have a number one receiver, 303 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: and under Mike McDonald, you know, eight of the eighteen games, 304 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: twenty points are fewer. So last week Seattle game. That's 305 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: what Seattle's gonna look like. They're gonna keep teams in 306 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: the twenty three to twenty range and they're not gonna 307 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: score a ton of points. That's not what they are. 308 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: They don't have the perimeter weapons. So I think Sam 309 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: Donald struggled in his last couple of games. 310 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: Come back down to Earth. 311 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: Take the under forty and a half points. This feels 312 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: very twenty seventeen, twenty one seventeen. I like Seattle to win, 313 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: but take the under forty and a half points. 314 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: Broncos said Cols. 315 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: I like Denver minus two and a half, so listen 316 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: eight and two against team that missed the playoffs last year. 317 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: And bow Nicks has been strangely good on the road. 318 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: His last four road starts, his passer ratings one oh seven. 319 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: So I think Daniel Jones, let's not kid ourselves his 320 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: last seventeen starts. He's four and thirteen. They've played a 321 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: Miami team that defensively quit. Don't overreact to Week one. 322 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: It was home Jim Mersey was being celebrated the late 323 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: great owner. 324 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: It was a very emotional place. 325 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: Denver's defense is going to get Daniel Jones off the 326 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: field very quickly. I like the Broncos to win and 327 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: cover twenty seven to twenty. 328 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 2: Eagles at Chiefs. 329 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: I think it's close and low scoring, but I'm going 330 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: to take Philadelphia to win and cover. Listen, they led 331 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: thirty four to nothing in the third quarter against Kansas City. 332 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: They got more good players. They've won seventeen of eighteen games, 333 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: including the playoffs, and if Jalen Hurts starts and finishes 334 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: a game, they've won fifteen straight. They're excellent on third down, 335 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: and they're excellent in the red zone, and they're excellent 336 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: on fourth down, and that matters on the road in 337 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: a close game, They're gonna pick up those third and 338 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: fourth downs. They're gonna make plays in the red zone. 339 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: I think Kansas City comes out with incredible pride plays 340 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: over themselves and makes it close. But the Chiefs are 341 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: two and three in their last five games. Xavi are worthy. 342 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: If he doesn't play, they don't have a one receiver, 343 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: they don't have a number two receiver, and Travis Kelsey 344 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: they'll probably box him in. I think it's really low scoring. 345 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: I think it's close, but I'm gonna take Eagles with 346 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: a late touchdown to win twenty eight to twenty. Gay 347 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: and said Cowboys, I'm taking a prop bet. Take CD 348 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: Lamb over six and a half reception. Okay, he had 349 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: a miserable Week one, three drops. I believe Brian Schottenheimer 350 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: to build trust with his young receiver, gonna have a 351 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: steady dose of Ceedee Lamb. Shottenheimer and Dak are gonna 352 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: say listen, we need you, brother. We're gonna throw to 353 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: you fifteen times. By the way he has eaten against 354 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: the Giants, he averaged seven point four receptions of game 355 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: since twenty twenty three. That's highest in the league. And again, 356 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: this is still not a great running back room. It's 357 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: still a pretty average tight end room. And George Pickens 358 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: does not separate like Ceedee Lamb. So I think to 359 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: prove that they trust Ceedee Lamb. Ceedee Lamb is not 360 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: gonna have three drops. He's played well against the Giants. 361 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the over on catches six. 362 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: And a half. 363 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: I think Ceedee Lamb is going to be a primary 364 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: Dallas target. So take the Titans and the points, the 365 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: Broncos and Eagles to cover the under on the Seahawks, Steelers, 366 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: and Ceedee Lamb to have a very very big game. 367 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: You know, I saw a quote this morning from Detroit's 368 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator John Morton. 369 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 2: He said, they play the Bears. 370 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: Lions is a very very interesting early window game, and 371 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: he's John Morton says, we are not in panic mode. John, 372 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: have you seen who you're playing next week? 373 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: You're at Baltimore. 374 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: Baltimore's not in a good mood, having lost to Buffalo, 375 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: having controlled the game. You can deny you're going to 376 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: be in panic mode, But you got Baltimore next week, 377 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: and then you've got at Joe Burrow, at Mahomes and 378 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Oh, then Kevin O'Connell and then Jaden Daniels 379 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: on the road and at Philadelphia. Detroit needs to win. 380 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: Chicago would like to win, but Chicago's got the Cowboys 381 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: coming up, the Raiders coming up, and then a bye week. 382 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: And I also think Detroit's about winning games at this 383 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: stage in their development. Chicago's about getting Caleb Williams right. 384 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: So you can deny it's not panic mode. But I'm 385 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: going to stay away from this game. But if I 386 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: had to take a side, I do think urgency matters, 387 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: and I think Detroit is the side here. I think 388 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: Detroit you can tell your players we're not in panic mode. 389 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: Everybody has a schedule in that locker room at Baltimore. 390 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: Just put a big L on your little pocket schedule. 391 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: Put a big L on that one. I think Detroit's 392 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: gonna come out and it's going to feel like it 393 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: is a absolute must win game. Teams can say it's 394 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: must win Chicago, it is for Detroit, or this thing's 395 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: going to derail fast. You just watch the Packers. You're 396 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: gonna be two games back. You want to be two 397 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: games back by four o'clock. You know, you know Sunday 398 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: eight her to three seasons done. You're not making the playoffs. 399 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: So Dave wantstat joining us next. 400 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 6: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 401 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 6: and Noone Easter not a Empacific on Fox Sports Radio 402 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 6: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 403 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: It just so happens. All the stories. I'm fascinated about. 404 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: Dave Wanstat thirty nine years coaching NFL in college is 405 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: so connected to all of them. And I want to 406 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: start with Green Bay. They went and got a college 407 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: football coach and said, we're going to bring you in 408 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: to coach our defense. And that's not what happens much. 409 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: You know, Jeff Hafley, Are you surprised that in a 410 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen games since he arrived, the defense is just 411 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: noticeably better. 412 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 8: No, I'm not, because he's got a great background. Proud 413 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 8: to say that I was part of that, but I'm 414 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 8: not kidding. But it's kind of a funny story. He 415 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 8: was coaching at University of Albany, and when I was 416 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 8: a head coach of pitt, I was one where if 417 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 8: a young coach wanted to combine and watch practice or 418 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 8: sit in the meetings. I was never one of those 419 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 8: guys we're secretive. No, I wanted to These guys want 420 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 8: to learn and come in here and learn, right. 421 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: That's how we all grew up. 422 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 8: That's how the Marvel Levy's and the Marty schottenheimers how 423 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 8: they treated me when we wanted to go round and visit. 424 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 8: And so Halfley the defense square. I says, this guy's 425 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 8: coming in, Jeff Hafley watch practice from all great? So 426 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 8: he said practice, you know, hey. 427 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: How you doing? 428 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 8: I meet him like the next day, I'm getting coffee 429 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 8: and he's standing at the coffee machine. I said, how 430 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 8: you doing it? Oh yeah, how would practice you learn anything? 431 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, coach, thanks, it's great, said well, okay, let 432 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 8: me Like a week later, I go to coffee or 433 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 8: walk by and it's Jeff Hafley again. 434 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 2: So I says, a true story. 435 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 8: So, don't you know, two weeks in the spring practice, 436 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 8: one of my young coaches leaves. So I go to 437 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 8: the defensive coordinator, says, what's. 438 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: With this Halfley guy? 439 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 8: I said, he's here every day. I says, we did 440 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 8: somebody offer him a job? 441 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: We might as well hire him. 442 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 8: Wait, and he says, well, we got an opening right now. 443 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 8: Guy just left. So I said, well, tell happy to 444 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 8: come down my office. 445 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: So he came in. 446 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 8: I said, listen, you're here every damn edy. Anyway, we 447 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 8: got a staff meeting in thirty minutes. You're the secondary coach. Okay, 448 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 8: that's all he gets. So then when I leave Pitt, 449 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 8: Greg Chianu calls me. 450 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 2: Greg's at Rutgers. 451 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 8: Greg calls me and says, who's two of your best coaches? 452 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 8: And I said, Jeff Hafley and another guy. So Greg 453 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 8: hires him at Rutgers. And then Greg gets a Tampa 454 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 8: Bay job, and he goes to the Bucks and gets 455 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 8: in the NFL. 456 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: No, I mean he's done a great job. What jumped 457 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: out to me. I guess the only thing I'd worry 458 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: about Green Bay is this, Are they too young to 459 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl? 460 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: No? Absolutely not. 461 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 5: No. 462 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: You know why, because the younger. 463 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 8: You are, the less you think about the Super Bowl. 464 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 8: I don't think when we won our first Super Bowl, 465 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 8: we were the youngest team in the NFL. 466 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 2: Dallas was Dallas, and I don't think Jimmy I know not. 467 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 8: I don't think I know Jimmy never mentioned the word 468 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 8: super Bowl until we were owned to the Super Bowl. 469 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 8: I mean, it was all about just another game, getting better, 470 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 8: getting better, and let's keep practicing and see if we 471 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 8: can we can improve and beat this next team. So 472 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 8: sometimes these young players, not naive isn't the word, but 473 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 8: their focus is on. I'm trying to establish myself in 474 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 8: the NFL and I want, you know, I want some notoriety. 475 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 8: They're not thinking super Bowl as much as the guy says, 476 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 8: I got three years left. I mean, it's the ring 477 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 8: or nothing. So I think it's a good thing to 478 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 8: be quite ont with you. 479 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, the speed is obvious. So I want to talk. 480 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: You know, you know Chicago well, and I had set 481 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: up during the summer. I said, I almost wonder if 482 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: you have to make Caleb Williams work. They have failed 483 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: so many times at quarterback that you're just going to 484 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: have to give him. 485 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: Three years and you're not going to win every game. 486 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: You may not make the playoffs, but you got to 487 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: get this right and eventually he'll get some things down. 488 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: Or are you a believer that if it looks like 489 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: it looks through so even or eight games where he's 490 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: missing layups and he's running more than he should, I mean, 491 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: what happens if he's not good this year? 492 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: What do you do in Chicago? Yeah, I think I'm 493 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: not going to go down that road. 494 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 8: I live here, okay, So I'm gonna say that I 495 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 8: think it's gonna work because of the style of offense 496 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 8: and the head coach Ben said. Ben Johnson said afterwards, 497 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 8: who I'm a fan of? He said afterwards, I should 498 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 8: have run the ball more. They had thirty five passes 499 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 8: and only twenty runs. 500 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: Okay, you know, so. 501 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 8: How do you help a young quarterback. 502 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 2: Everybody knows that. 503 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 8: You you take some pressure off him by running the 504 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 8: ball and then those play action passes. I mean, if 505 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 8: you're playing Detroit. You know, Ben was at Detroit. When 506 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 8: he was there, they were second in the NFL with 507 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 8: yards after the catch with our receivers. That was the 508 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 8: biggest thing that everybody was excited about. Here We're going 509 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 8: to have a good play action game and hit these receivers. 510 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 8: You see sing broughn on these guys catching on the run. 511 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 8: That's because they run first. Thank you exactly. You're right, coach. 512 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 8: I mean that's what they do. They run first. And 513 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 8: we came out the very first play of the game 514 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 8: and we lined up under center. 515 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: I loved it. 516 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 8: The quarter running back was dotted and we went to 517 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 8: play action pass and everybody just dropped in the coverage, 518 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 8: you know, because we hadn't run the ball. 519 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: And then he threw the checkdown. Everybody was saying why 520 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: didn't he throw it deep? 521 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 8: Well, I mean the checkdown was open. But my point 522 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 8: is what you just said, and Ben said it, we 523 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 8: got to run the football. 524 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: You've talked about this before you coached in Miami. You're 525 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: the last coach in Miami. I were saying this earlier. 526 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: Is that Green Bay today, with their speed, is what 527 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: Miami wanted to be three years ago with their speed. 528 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: The difference is one of them has patients, one of 529 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: them plays defense. Is that I don't think you and 530 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: I have ever kind of believed in McDaniel building a culture. 531 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: We think he's a smart guy. But they had a 532 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: players only meeting after week one. What does that tell you? 533 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 8: Well, that that tells you that they're frustrated. That tells 534 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 8: you that somebody in their minds is not carrying their 535 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 8: endo the load. You know, it's not there's something missing. 536 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 8: You got to pick it up. 537 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 2: That's what you know. You didn't those player meetings. 538 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: That's what usually happens, is when you did Jimmy ever 539 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: have a player's only meeting in Dallas? 540 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 8: No, I don't remember if the if the players did, 541 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 8: you know, I can't remember one. I can't remember one anywhere. 542 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 8: I coach Chicle. I mean, they have them, but usually 543 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 8: what happens is, hey, come on, we got to. 544 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: Pick it up. And they're really saying, Colin. 545 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 8: You got to you gotta play better defense, or you 546 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 8: got to play better offense. It's never them, Okay, was 547 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 8: never the guy talking or calling the meeting. It's always 548 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 8: somebody else need to do. 549 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 2: A better job. And uh, I don't know. 550 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 8: You know, when Miami, we say they were fast and 551 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 8: they were explosive, but it still comes down to throw 552 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 8: the ball. The score points, run the ball to win games. 553 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 8: That's what got the Bears on Sunday. They could not 554 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 8: run the ball. Minnesota had at the end when everybody said, okay, 555 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 8: we got an even game here, and they knew they 556 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 8: were going to run it, and you knew you had 557 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 8: to run it. 558 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: It didn't happen. It didn't happen, you. 559 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 8: Know, but Minnesota did. I go back to the Dolphins 560 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 8: game three years ago. They're playing Buffalo in the playoffs. 561 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 8: Oh I remember this, I remember, and a third teen 562 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 8: quarterback is in there. 563 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 2: Skyler Thompson, thank you, thank you. 564 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 8: Skyler Thompson's in there. Who's the third team And they 565 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 8: lose the game to Buffalo, and I look at the 566 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 8: stats and it was thirty five passes and twenty runs 567 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 8: with the and I'm thinking of my and. 568 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 2: It was cold. 569 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 8: It was in Buffalo, third string quarterback, third string quarterback. 570 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 8: So I mean the some. 571 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 2: Guys called me after that, you kind of you you 572 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: was done with that? Was it? I saw everything? 573 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 8: I mean you you know, these these guys got to 574 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 8: steal believe in running the ball. And I think Ben 575 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 8: Johnson back to you. I think he he does because 576 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 8: he'd proven, you know three years is call him plays 577 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 8: in Detroit that he ran the football, and so I 578 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 8: think it'll happen. I think it'll be good for Caleb, 579 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 8: I really do. 580 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: I might move him around a little. 581 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 8: Bit more, not you know, just a little half sprint 582 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 8: and let him get the ball out. 583 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 2: Everybody gives you that crap, Oh we're gonna cut the 584 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: field and half. 585 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 8: So what if your it's a run pass option for 586 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,479 Speaker 8: the quarterback and if you complete some balls and give 587 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 8: him some confidence. 588 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: I don't see a problem with that. 589 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: I thought Dallas. I wouldn't say shocked me, but I 590 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: if ceedee, Lamb doesn't drop that deep ball. And CD's 591 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: a good player, so he'll he'll they're gonna go to 592 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: him again. I had my reservations about Brian Schottenheimer, who 593 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: hadn't interviewed for a head coaching job in fourteen years. 594 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: He's considered sort of an old school offensive guy compared 595 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: to the new guys. 596 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 2: What did you mean? 597 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: I guess my take was this is that they were 598 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: buttoned up. There weren't a lot of penalties. Yep, the 599 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: clock management was good. Is that Brian Schottenheimer allowing his 600 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: coaches to coach because Eberflus can coach defense. But when 601 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: I watched them, the thing that that kind of took 602 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: me by surprise was I liked Mike McCarthy, but there 603 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: was a lot of penalties. I didn't like clock management Schottenheimer. 604 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: I thought that Dallas looked buttoned up to me. 605 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 8: They did, and they were. You know, he's got a 606 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 8: lot of experience. You know, his dad was an outstanding 607 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 8: coach in the NFL Marty you know, for years, so 608 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 8: he is He's been around good people. And you mentioned 609 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,479 Speaker 8: Matt Eberflus. Matt Eberflus is an ex head coach. So 610 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 8: you got a guy that your coordinator that you know, 611 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 8: can call defense. 612 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: He knows what a head coach needs. 613 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 8: He knows what a head coach needs, something, somebody to 614 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 8: bounce some things off of. So and I think Jerry 615 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 8: deep Down really really wants this to be successful and 616 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 8: wants this to work. And I think that the players 617 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 8: feel right now they've got a young enough team. They've 618 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 8: turned it over. They've got pretty good guys. They've got 619 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 8: young guys. Anybody that was a potential rough, you know, 620 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 8: rough the Feathers type of guy, I think is gone. 621 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: So they got a good young team. 622 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 8: And if Dak stays healthy and plays good, you're going 623 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 8: to see him win some of those games that they 624 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 8: had a chance to win against Philadelphia. 625 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: So one of the teams that really was just did 626 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: not look very good was New England, and I defended them. 627 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: I said, first of all, they spent three hundred million 628 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: in free agency, so there's a lot of new starters. 629 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: You didn't play those guys in the preseason, right, They're 630 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: a young roster, so they're going to play more draft 631 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: picks than your good teams. So my takeaway was they 632 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: didn't look good because I could argue there's no team 633 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: in the league that has more new starters and new players, 634 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: which years ago, and in Week three the preseason, you 635 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: play them half the game, right, nobody plays starters. So 636 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: week one of the NFL season for a team with 637 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: new players, it's going to get ugly. I mean there 638 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: were some. I mean like, it's just the way it looks. 639 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: Go back to your Jimmy days with you and Jimmy 640 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: in Dallas or any place you've been in year one 641 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: when it's new players, and especially college where you don't 642 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: have a preseason. Do you think New England eventually the 643 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: chess pieces work. Were you ever at a place where 644 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: you knew you were better than the result in Week 645 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: one or week two? You just knew you had new schemes, 646 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: you had new playbook, you had new coordinators. 647 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: Is that a real thing? Absolutely? 648 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 8: And I think the worst thing very Well could do 649 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 8: is win too many too soon. Because he's got a 650 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 8: good young team, you know what I mean. So I 651 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 8: would not be concerned if I was a Patriots fan, 652 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 8: one bet. I mean, you've got the quarterback, the running back, 653 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 8: you got pieces in place, got a good head coach. No, 654 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 8: I would not worry about that whatsoever. You know, you 655 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 8: didn't play as well if you wanted to and didn't 656 00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 8: win the game. 657 00:33:59,280 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: I get that, but. 658 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 8: I got no reserv that'd be the last team. I mean, 659 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 8: they've got to beat Miami this week. I mean that's 660 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 8: who they got. I think the Dolphins played the Patriots, right, 661 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 8: that's down in Miami, and that you talk about a 662 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 8: musk game for the Dolphins, a musk game in Miami 663 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 8: and what is it? 664 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 2: Half a point or a point and a half? Yeah, 665 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: I was. You know, that makes me nervous if you're 666 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 2: a Dolphins fan. 667 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 8: It truly does, because from New England turns it on 668 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 8: which they're going to at some point and starts getting 669 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 8: it together. We have some they they got players, they 670 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 8: got players. 671 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: I want to go back to the Chicago Bears because 672 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: I live here now and I'm here a lot. I'm 673 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: in LA about seven eight weeks a year. But it 674 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: is fascinating to listen to talk radio in this town. 675 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: Cubs and Bears. That's the topics. 676 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. It's Cubs and Bears. 677 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: And you know, you coached in Miami, which was a 678 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: more transient town, and then you coached in Dallas where 679 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: talk radio and the newspaper guys were aggressive. And one 680 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: of the things I think about one of the advantages 681 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: to being in Green Bay. 682 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: It's not a big media. 683 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: The fans are loyal, you don't have a crazy, impulsive owner. 684 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: There's an advantage to be green Bay. You can draft 685 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: and develop. You can sit Jordan Love for three years, right, Like, 686 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: that's an advantage in an era where all these owners 687 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: are billionaires now and they just think forty five million 688 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: dollars to fire a coach is. 689 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: A rounding air. They don't care. 690 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: So Green Bay, in this world we live in now, 691 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: it's an advantage. They don't have a lot of crazy 692 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: around the organization. But as I drive around Chicago and 693 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: listen to sports talk radio, it's harsh, it's urgent, and 694 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: I know owners listen, and I know people in football listen. 695 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: When you were coaching the Bears, was it different than 696 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: coaching the Dolphins. The city it's northern, it's not as transient. 697 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 2: Yep, oh, big difference. I mean, did you Pittsburgh. 698 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 8: I've coached in Pittsburgh, I've coached in Chicago. 699 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there is loud, loud. 700 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 8: They study this football. They live it's important on a weekend. 701 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 8: I mean, they lived their lives through their teams. You know, 702 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 8: and Miami my second year at the first year and 703 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 8: would in the division at Dolphins second year go to playoffs. 704 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: We didn't sell out our. 705 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 8: Stadium for playoffs. And the first person that bought a 706 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 8: ticket with some lady from Detroit, you know, that was 707 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 8: down her visiting. I mean, I remember they headed in 708 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 8: the paper and I said, you think, guess whatever happened 709 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 8: in Chicago or Pittsburgh. No, it's just it is a 710 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 8: different mentality. 711 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: And I noticed it here and I've lived here six months, 712 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: five months. It is intense. The coverage is intense here. 713 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 714 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 8: And you try getting a ticket to a Blackhawks game too, 715 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 8: for hockey. You'll see that when you're here in the winter. 716 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 8: I mean it's it's it's a tough sports time, and uh. 717 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 2: It is what it is. 718 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 8: I think it's just that blue coway mentality. 719 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 2: You know, they're tough. 720 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: Finally, I want to ask Oregon question. Oregon plays Northwestern. Yep, 721 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: that's a you know, a big new kickoff game for 722 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: the Fox Sports. I was lucky enough I covered Oregon 723 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: as they were exploding as a program. I covered the 724 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: Joe Harrington team. I was a sportscaster at KGW in Portland, 725 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: so I was very lucky that I can remember being 726 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: on the field, you know, and looking at Phil Knight. 727 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: He's got tears in his eyes, you know, and they 728 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: were they won the Civil War and they were going 729 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,479 Speaker 1: to go to the Rose Bowl. And I always thought 730 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: one of the advantages to Oregon that Penn State and 731 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: USC and Michigan and Notre Dame don't have is Oregon 732 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: had no tradition. So Notre Oregon could say we're gonna 733 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: have twenty helmets, we're gonna have fifty uniforms, We're going 734 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 1: to hire a guy from New Hampshire and Chip Kelly 735 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't believe in huddles. 736 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 2: Penn State put names on the back of uniforms a 737 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 2: few years ago. 738 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: They took him off two years later, right right Notre Dame. 739 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley suggested that USC drop the Notre Dame game. 740 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 2: There was outrage. 741 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: Yes, Oregon is so fascinating to me coach, because they 742 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: didn't have tradition and so they created their own. It's 743 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: like a study in great business. When you as a 744 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: guy who's you coached at SC and the Miami Hurricanes, 745 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: how do you view Oregon football as they play Northwestern 746 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: this week? 747 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 8: Well, you know, if you really think about it, and 748 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 8: Dan Lenning's done an unbelieva They only got one retiring 749 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 8: starg on offense from last fifteen. 750 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 2: Think about that. 751 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 8: They in the last three years they've been in the 752 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 8: top five in recruiting high school and portal. 753 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 2: Now think about that. 754 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: There's three Division one football players in Oregon on an 755 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: annual basis the state of Oregon. 756 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 2: So they have to leave the state to convince you 757 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,720 Speaker 2: to go there National National. 758 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 8: You look at their roster and the thing that's happened 759 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 8: when they first came, when all these packed and I've 760 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 8: been doing Big ten football here for years, you know that. Yeah, 761 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 8: And when all of these packed twelve teams, the Oregons, 762 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 8: the USC's came to the Big Ten, everybody was talking 763 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 8: about it. They're going to be physical enough. You're talking 764 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,760 Speaker 8: about Big ten football as compared to the fast game, 765 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 8: the basketball fast of the West Coast. Well, Oregon last 766 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 8: year wins the Big Ten. Okay, and they proved that 767 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 8: they could be as physical as anybody. 768 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 2: Well, now they might be. 769 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 8: If you look at every team around the country, they're 770 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 8: about as fast and maturing. 771 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 2: Team as anybody. I mean, they're a lot better than 772 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 2: anybody thought. 773 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 8: And talent wise, they have talent on all levels a 774 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 8: lot more than anybody thought. He convinced their quarterback, Daunte 775 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 8: Moore to sit a year, so he was on the 776 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 8: roster last year he transferred from U. Yes, right, he's 777 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,720 Speaker 8: sitting on the roster, not playing, just watching Don Gabriel. 778 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 1: It was a five star, like number one quarterback country 779 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: counting player. 780 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 8: They convinced him to sit and watch and learn and 781 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 8: he did that behind Gabriel, and he's the guy he's 782 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 8: completing seventy seven percent of his passes. I mean, so 783 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 8: they have a culture. They got great support. We know that, 784 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 8: and Dan Lenning does a great job of getting players 785 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 8: and coaching these guys. 786 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what. 787 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 8: Oregon and you know, we got Ohio State and you 788 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,439 Speaker 8: got Penn State and I did it. 789 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: But I think right now today I was saying this, 790 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: if you told me top five programs in the country, 791 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: I'd probably put Oregon four or fives. At the low coach, 792 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: I might put them higher than that Ohio State, Bama, Georgia, Oregon. 793 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 8: I'm putting them ahead of I won't buck Ohio State, 794 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 8: but I would definitely put them ahead of Alabama or anybody. 795 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 2: Right now, right now, it's an incredible story right now. 796 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just funny that when I was part 797 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: of you know, not part of it, but when I 798 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: covered them, they had such a freedom because they had 799 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,720 Speaker 1: no history, so they could just do whatever they wanted. 800 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 2: They were totally outside of the box. 801 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: And you look up fifteen years later and you're like, 802 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: they are a top five program. 803 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 8: And you know, when we first went to the NFL, 804 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 8: I remember Al Davis, we would always work against the Raiders. 805 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,800 Speaker 8: First year we went out here to California for training 806 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 8: camp where the Cowboys used to go, and Al Davis 807 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,280 Speaker 8: used to talk about we have to get At that time, 808 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 8: the old San Diego Chargers with Dan Fouts and Joiner 809 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 8: of those guys, they were speed speed. How are we 810 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 8: going to beat the Chargers. We've got to match their speed. 811 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 8: So the Raiders started transforming a little bit to the 812 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 8: fast wide receivers. The matchup wouldn't be able to do 813 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 8: what the Chargers did. Okay, Oregon comes in here and 814 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 8: they say this is power football. Well, now, all of 815 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 8: a sudden, after last year, the Big ten's looking around saying, 816 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,720 Speaker 8: you know what we gotta be as if we're gonna 817 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 8: beat these guys and win, we gotta be fastest. 818 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 2: We're gonna be as fast as oregan. 819 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 8: So that you talk about tradition and a little bit 820 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 8: of transformation, there's. 821 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 2: That going on a little bit. Yeah, if you look 822 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 2: close in the big ten. Yeah, Dave won Stadt, good 823 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 2: seeing you too. You're gonna take me out to dinner 824 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 2: next week and one of your haunts, I'm gonna go. 825 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 8: I'm gonna prep a place for us tonight. 826 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,399 Speaker 2: It'll be warm. Your seat, it will be warm. That's 827 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 2: not scouting, it's the herd.