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Speaker 1: to be anywhere else than right here right now? Uh, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Before the before they got into seven shots that we

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Speaker 1: were talking about Jay Starnberger, guy who was the third

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Speaker 1: in Texas A and M as a junior. That one season,

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Speaker 1: forty eight catches, eight hundred and thirty two yards, seven

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Speaker 1: Was it was a consensus all American. I couldn't remember

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Speaker 1: even a finalist for I get because he was probably

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Speaker 1: very much under the radar when all that stuff started.

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Speaker 1: Is he the same year as Ingram the Joku and

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Speaker 1: I think he's after year after that. I know it

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Speaker 1: was a good kite end class. So yeah, but it

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Speaker 1: was really highly talented going into the draft. Runs well

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Speaker 1: against seventeen point three yards a a catch in college. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's a not a real thick guy. Like if you

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Speaker 1: look at his lower half, he doesn't have a big

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Speaker 1: I mean. So you better be a pretty accomplished receiver

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Speaker 1: if that's your profile, and he was in college, I

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Speaker 1: think he can be here. He has speed, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a he's a big wide receiver. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and with all respect to Heath Miller, I'm not picking

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Speaker 1: on him on his day. You know, he wasn't splitting

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Speaker 1: the end of his career. I think Starnberger potentially could

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Speaker 1: you know. I'm not saying he's gonna be a still

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Speaker 1: like that splitting the splitting these guys, But raiders note,

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Speaker 1: he's been on a sight out of mind a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but he's a coach's favorite type. It does everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Ni's elect the second punders just booming a couple of

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure who'd kicked that one. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: there's been some boomers, Yeah, some real boomers. Um. So

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Speaker 1: he spent the first two thousand nineteen one with the

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Speaker 1: And at that point he hadn't really established himself either,

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Speaker 1: So he had caught twelve passes. He's caught twelve passes

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Speaker 1: for hundred fourteen yards and one touchdown in his career.

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Speaker 1: UM last season, after the Packers released him in uh

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Speaker 1: with the Steelers on their practice squads. So this is

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Speaker 1: really his first chance here with this. You let's go

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Speaker 1: You know that's all stuff. Pedigreek guy that Um, I

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Speaker 1: heavy Raider Sternberger preseason, Well, let's stufferget Connor Heyward. In

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Speaker 1: here real quick. On Avery, do you think it's safe

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Speaker 1: normal emotion from gentry were showing blitz here, Splint coming

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Speaker 1: with so many new quarterbacks. Well, it's it's so many

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Speaker 1: didn't fumble the started to lose it there, Miles Jack

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Speaker 1: That was for bisky word. Yeah. Yeah, he went to

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Speaker 1: his second read. Well, you know it didn't stick on

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Speaker 1: he stands out up. Yeah. I actually talked to Calvin

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Speaker 1: He said, look, when I got there, uh to to

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Speaker 1: Pickings up to get it. Like the Steelers completed very

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Speaker 1: Like that was yards in cutting route, you know, from

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Speaker 1: world war works. Yeah, you gotta protect yourself. And but

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Speaker 1: when Calvin Austin got to Memphis on on campus at Memphis,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Miller was the man. He was like a legend.

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Speaker 1: and that was war coverage and he fitted into a

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Speaker 1: tight spot. He got bumped around a little bit in

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Speaker 1: the pocket there too. Maybe even he would didn't have

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Speaker 1: his feet set and got out The world needs to

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Speaker 1: be kind of from what I remember, I think kind

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Speaker 1: of flicked got it in there, fitted into a change

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Speaker 1: his arm angle. You know, I know everybody's let's let's

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Speaker 1: talked about this said he's looked the best Rudolph of

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks thus far, but he should that shouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: He's been the guy who's who's been in the system

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Speaker 1: like he he knows you know, everybody else's I talked

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Speaker 1: to him about that in the spring and like has

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Speaker 1: everybody come in you and asking you questions about you know,

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Speaker 1: what's going on at her? Yeah, why wouldn't that. It It

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Speaker 1: was nicely done too. He held the ball but not

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Speaker 1: too long waiting for the guy to break open. Pretty nice. Yeah, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're there in the middle field doing tight end stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know, tight end route in the middle field. Sits

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Speaker 1: down the zone and it's interesting, you know, when he's

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Speaker 1: on the field he's where of course he's wearing eighty three,

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Speaker 1: but he can also line up in the back and

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Speaker 1: said he might give him carries. Yeah, I was really

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Speaker 1: intrigued seeing him in uh seven shots, you know, and

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Speaker 1: near the line of scrimmage, almost like a use check,

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Speaker 1: you know, Like I'm not quite sure what his job

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Speaker 1: is gonna be on this play, and I'm sure there

447
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Speaker 1: won't be many snaps when he's on the field. And nausey,

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Speaker 1: isn't you know, And you'd prefer to hand at the nazy,

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean if you put him in motion

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Speaker 1: he gets the end around You're like they've done with

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Speaker 1: Claypool or things like that. Even Yeah, no doubt he'll

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Speaker 1: break tackles. It's well done. Another nice one that throw.

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Speaker 1: But was that about yet Yard just coming out? I

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Speaker 1: was picking. Okay, well, we're gonna take a break. He

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Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Ally. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: our live coverage here from Steelers practice at Chuck Noll

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Speaker 1: Field here and on the Camp Fencing College. Fantastic environment,

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Speaker 1: big crowd here this, I mean this is like a

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Speaker 1: stadium seating here that looks like a full stadium. Remember

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Speaker 1: we had bird on yesterday he said they'd sold fifteen

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Speaker 1: thousand tickets and then I was talking to people last night.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they sold this morning. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so it's at least seventeen thousand tickets sold. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if everyone actually they're not even sold. They just

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Speaker 1: they're free. But yeah, you gotta you gotta sign up

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Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, you gotta go on the website and

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Speaker 1: sign up, or get the Steelers app and do it

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Speaker 1: on there as well. But the we're gonna take a break.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more live from st Fencing College

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Speaker 1: right after this. He's The Drive with Dale Lolly and

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on Home of the Black and Gold Steelers

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio. Welcome back, I'm Dale, I'll eat here with

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson live from Steelers training camp here at St.

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Speaker 1: Vincent College. We're watching the practice here from Chuck told field. Uh,

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Speaker 1: next to the press box. It's a great vantage point

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Speaker 1: for everything and getting a lot of play here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of fun. Yeah, not my specialty doing play

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Speaker 1: by play, but I can harder job than I thought. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: places buzzing. The place is buzzing, and you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is the only place you can get this. No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so why would you be anywhere else? I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're if you're not here, and I guess you know,

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Speaker 1: not every Steeler fantas here. It just seems that a

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Speaker 1: lot of more high percentage doing some field goal stuff now.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's also a nice breather for a lot

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Speaker 1: of the team. You know, the receivers are congregating here

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Speaker 1: over by the end zone, you know, doing some mental stuff,

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Speaker 1: and the quarterbacks doing the same. So I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: not like it's a total rest period or anything, but

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Speaker 1: even fire moves out there catching a ball or two,

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Speaker 1: you know, just being a target for these quarterbacks as

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Speaker 1: they stay loose. Yeah, uh, and you gotta do These

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Speaker 1: are the kind of things that you trying to get

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Speaker 1: taken for granted, the special teams, the field goal unit

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Speaker 1: and things, right right, you gotta practice it. You gotta

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Speaker 1: practice it. You gotta figure out who your guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna be on that drill. And I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: look over there to see I see Cam Hayward out there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I see Chris Wormley nine five, or the only defensive

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Speaker 1: jersey as I see. I think Touchco is out there too,

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Speaker 1: or he's going out there now. Yeah, he's out there now,

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Speaker 1: he's one of the wings. Yeah, Gentry was out there.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I mean that looks like the first

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Speaker 1: team field goal team. Yeah. Uh so that gives you

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Speaker 1: an idea. You often say like punt team is the

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Speaker 1: big one to take that. Yeah, but you don't want

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Speaker 1: to see any field goals blocked either, no points. But

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Speaker 1: in the preseason, punt team is the hardest. And if

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Speaker 1: you're you're seeing a borderline player with the first team

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Speaker 1: punt team, there's a real good chance that they think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna make the team, or he's auditioning. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's on the bubble. Yeah, because you don't to hear

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Speaker 1: that double thud, all right, right, And so Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: something you know, if you're watching the first preseason game,

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Speaker 1: take that little tip from Matt Williams. I mean, there

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Speaker 1: is a first team special teams unit for all. And

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Speaker 1: if you know, if you you look at the one

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Speaker 1: of the first thing the scouts doing there, they chart

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Speaker 1: everyone who's on the kickoff team, you know where exactly

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Speaker 1: they're at because the teams are telling you them and

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Speaker 1: they want these guys to win the starting job. And

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Speaker 1: people don't think of those guys as starters, but they

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Speaker 1: really are. Yeah, and you know, this team has some

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Speaker 1: guys who I'm not gonna say they're special teams player only,

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Speaker 1: but that's why they're here. That's why that's their biggest

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Speaker 1: contribution to the team. There's five or six of them,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Justin Lanes and even Benny Snow and yeah,

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Speaker 1: they can play. Everybody wants to cut. Cut that guy

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Speaker 1: right and brought in what do you mean why are

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Speaker 1: they giving up these punt return touchdowns? You know, like

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Speaker 1: sure and give Gunner decent money for that and watch

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Speaker 1: making a Dight s buck too. I mean, these are

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sure Heyward will be part of

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Speaker 1: that as well, So they may have even war this year,

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Speaker 1: they may have six or seven that are high snap

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Speaker 1: count you know, special teamers. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong

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Speaker 1: with that, and it's better than having a revolving door. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You want those guys to be typically not maybe grizzle veterans,

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Speaker 1: but the second or third, fourth year guys, fifth year

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Speaker 1: guys that are know their job and excel at it

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Speaker 1: and you know, have worked hard on special teams. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I I talked to Tusco about that because obviously he

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Speaker 1: was a star at North Dakota State, right right, right,

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Speaker 1: He's a big sack guy, like I think, like seven

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Speaker 1: sacks something like that in college. Was very productive as

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Speaker 1: you would expect in North Dakota State. Uh, and I says,

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Speaker 1: it's tough to kind of swallow your pride on that

548
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Speaker 1: and now you're you know, you're backup, you're a special

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Speaker 1: teams guy. Hey. That that's you know, whatever it takes to,

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Speaker 1: you know, for the team. And there may have been

551
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Speaker 1: a day that he went, I guess I gotta do this,

552
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: so jump in two talking with Freddie McAfee about that

553
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Speaker 1: he was one of the best special teamers in the league. Yeah,

554
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Speaker 1: and he hung around it was a running back for

555
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Speaker 1: like the twelve years in the league, and he said,

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Speaker 1: you know the young running the Saints a long time, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Saints and then came here. Um said, you know

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Speaker 1: the young running backs would all come and you know, laughing, Well,

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Speaker 1: you're just a special teamer. He's like, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be in the league for ten years. Yeah, call me

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Speaker 1: ten years from now. You see if you're still getting

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Speaker 1: a check. Yeah right, I mean, hey, we'd Bay is

563
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Speaker 1: the best example you can imagine. Yeah, he's a bust.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he shouldn't have been picked in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: And now Davis probably right, he's only one, probably would

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Speaker 1: have done it. But he was going in the first

567
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Speaker 1: round no matter what. And his receiver career didn't go

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Speaker 1: that way. Well, talk to him eight ten years later

569
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Speaker 1: after that they pronounced the bust. And he's still getting

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Speaker 1: checks and you know, he's living fine now. And contribute

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Speaker 1: to a team and show some leadership and teach the

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Speaker 1: young guys. And I mean, I think Benny Snell is

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Speaker 1: a great example of that too. Like I promise he

574
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Speaker 1: didn't play any special teams college, and he was like player, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, so he's not gonna run down on kickoffs

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Speaker 1: and quickly became a core special teamer here after never

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Speaker 1: doing it. I mean, that was an impressive transition. That

578
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: was something they talked about with James Conner when they

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Speaker 1: drafted him, the fact that he had when he went

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Speaker 1: to pit he went as a defensive end. He's tackled

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Speaker 1: people and he played some defensive end, so they thought

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Speaker 1: he would that would translate into him being good on

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Speaker 1: special teams. Unfortunately for him that rookie year, Uh, he

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Speaker 1: was hurt a lot and just never really had a chance.

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Speaker 1: And in his second year he was. He was the

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Speaker 1: feature beast. He's run the ball the time, but he

587
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: had that mentality. Yeah. Usually in college it's a bunch

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Speaker 1: of your bringing a bunch of running backs and some

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Speaker 1: of them turned to d end or safety or linebacker

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Speaker 1: or whatever. He was kind of the other way around. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Interesting you brought that up with Alfredo roberts Um. Now

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Speaker 1: we were talking about him about Miami taking wide receivers

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Speaker 1: and turning him into defensive ends. That's kind of the

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Speaker 1: Joey Porter. Yeah. Right. Porter was a wide receiver when

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Speaker 1: he went to Colorado Snake and then in transition to

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Speaker 1: to being uh, you know, hand on the ground defensive end.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember if the U was first, but that

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Speaker 1: was the first I'd ever heard of it. You know,

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Speaker 1: you recruit these six guys that look like Andre Johnson

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Speaker 1: but don't quite play like Andre Johnson, you know what

601
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Speaker 1: I mean? And um, but boy, they can come off

602
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Speaker 1: the edge and you put on twenty thirty pounds, get

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Speaker 1: him up to two fifty, and then they kind of

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Speaker 1: look like the Marcus ware, you know, I mean, assuming

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Speaker 1: they have the you know, the pre wreck was a toughness,

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Speaker 1: you know, not not everyone could just line up on

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and you know, and handle the

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Speaker 1: physicality of it all. But if you're bring in some

609
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Speaker 1: big tough dudes, you can turn them into star pass rushers. Absolutely. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know it's all about let us Have you said

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Speaker 1: you you would have taken Thrill prior and made him

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Speaker 1: a defensive end. I remember watching them. He didn't come

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Speaker 1: out of high school when I was in recruiting. I

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Speaker 1: think that was yours with the Browns, but he was

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Speaker 1: the top recruiting the country and I just got done

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Speaker 1: with like Mike recruiting career, so I wanted nothing more.

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Speaker 1: And you couldn't just go click on. I couldn't just

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Speaker 1: YouTube them back then, I told I am, so I

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Speaker 1: can I just you know I'm gonna be around. Can

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Speaker 1: I just watch his highlight tape? And he was phenomenal

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Speaker 1: and he was the best basketball player in the city

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Speaker 1: as well. And I walked at him and I thought, man,

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Speaker 1: he could be Von Miller, you know, you know, and

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Speaker 1: if he probably don't want to. I mean, he's being

626
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Speaker 1: recruited as an athlete clash quarterback and thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: and he just wasn't a good enough passer. I mean,

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Speaker 1: even if he came out now you know, he was

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Speaker 1: not a well rounded quarterback. He was an athlete and

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Speaker 1: and then he wisely tried to become a receiver and

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Speaker 1: last in legal while. But I was, yeah, right right,

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00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't just wash out. I mean kind

633
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: of like we're talking about with these guys turned special teamers.

634
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: He changed his stripes a little bit, um and I

635
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: don't know if you had the toughness sort of makeup.

636
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: I never talked to him, but I looked him and thought, man,

637
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: he could be a real bendy, explosive, you know, Von

638
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: Miller type. Yeah, it's it's tough to remake yourself. And

639
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: that's the one that you get all the time, Um

640
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: from fans, why don't they move this guy to this position? Right?

641
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: It's corner to safety. Safety to corner, like that's not

642
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: the same, not the not common in the NFL to

643
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: be able to do that. You know, once you start

644
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: moving around like that, that's a good way to end

645
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: up moving out. Yeah, you don't pick up hobbies or

646
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: new trades that appear, you know, and like the safety

647
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: to corner things always interesting to me because safety see

648
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: twenty one people in front of them. If you're in

649
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: a make a situation, or you're near the line of

650
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: scrimmage and right there playing like a linebacker role, that's

651
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: nothing like what a Kelly weatherspoon does not close at all.

652
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: You know. It looks like the special team's session breaking

653
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: up there. We're gonna go back into some more team

654
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: stuff here. Uh so uh interesting, uh you know, a

655
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: little uh, Danny's still out there. Maybe they're gonna do

656
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: some kickoff stuff here are they looks like the quarterbacks

657
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: are ready to do something. But maybe right that does

658
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: look like a kickoff team is probably gonna happen here.

659
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: Maybe not, but it's like seven on seven, Yeah, seven

660
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: on seven. Actually we got white on one side and

661
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: gold on the other. Big uglies will head over to

662
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: the other side of the field there and well they

663
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: won't go through if I said they won't beat each

664
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: other up or anything. But it starts next week as well.

665
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to watch some of those one on ones. Yes, there,

666
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch Leal and louder Milk and um

667
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: okan job, you know, I mean some of these guys

668
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: that haven't been around as long and how much do

669
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: they test this O line that you know has its

670
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: share questions as well of course. Yeah, and let's see,

671
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's just how's there's some new guys there.

672
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: How's James Daniels uh handle one on ones? I can

673
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: remember when when they signed Jeff Harding's uh, you know,

674
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: back in two thousand two or one whenever that was

675
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: um he looked awful and that was not his forte

676
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: uh you know, and but he got into games and

677
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: he was highly effective to the point where he's a

678
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl player. And there's tricks and there's advantages to

679
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: having a guy next to year or what's this defensive

680
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: lineman's alignment? And if I obviously anyone's watch like Senior

681
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: Bowl practices, true one on ones for the lineman is

682
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: a rough gig for an offensive player. You know, they

683
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: have so much space to operate. They can attack both

684
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: your shoulder, both your edges. You know, they can do

685
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: a lot of different things where having your teammates there

686
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: build that wall sure helps. A minute ago, Pickings caught

687
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: one got a seven on seven. You're gonna complete a

688
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: lot of passes. But there's another in breaking route downfield.

689
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: And what caught my eye is as soon as he

690
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: caught it, he had a just a little bit more

691
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: of a gear there that next step after securing the football,

692
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: he gained ground again. You know he's something he really is. Yeah, yeah,

693
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: I think fans are gonna really like him. Um, I'm certain,

694
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm certain of it. And they already right start to

695
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: see some number four teen jerseys. Yeah, they'll be popping up.

696
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: I bet we talked about. I mean, you know there's

697
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: there's essentially a hundred and fifty targets out there for

698
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: for that are gone from last year that somebody's gonna

699
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: catch his balls. Yeah, right, right, get thrown his way

700
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: at least and that start stop. Yeah, quick hitter, typical

701
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: slot route type of thing there, get the ball off

702
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: quick got got his shoulder square to the line of scrimmage,

703
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: presents a big target. Boom, get it and get a field.

704
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: And these guys aren't dancing after the catch, are getting

705
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: it in their turning. I mean, I bet that's a

706
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: big coaching point right now. Ye get it up and

707
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: get up field and let's get some yardage. That was

708
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: one thing I thought, you know, as many short passes

709
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: as they threw, there wasn't a lot of run after

710
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: the catch. No, there wasn't. And you made a good

711
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: point yesterday that Deonte is great at it, and it

712
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: just so happens. Funny brought that up. I was scrolling

713
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: through the Football Outsiders Almanact this morning and the Nausea

714
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: and Deonte we're at the top of their positions for

715
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: broken tackles, you know, by their metrics of broken tackles.

716
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we know Najy had to work for pretty

717
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: much everything. He got. That one shot look at all similar.

718
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I don't know exactly how they defined

719
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: broken tackles, but I think a lot of it's joking

720
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: a guy out, or elusiveness or running through an armed ackle.

721
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: But Deante is really good at that. Yeah, he's he's shifty.

722
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: I mean, people forget he was. He led the NFL

723
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: and punt return average punt return No. By the way,

724
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: Gunnar Rolschowski did it. Yeah, they've got two of the

725
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: leading punt return guys in the league. I don't know

726
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: that anybody else has that. Probably not. Yeah, he was.

727
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: He was an All Pro WHO second team All Pro.

728
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: Deonte Johnson was as a rookie right rookie special team,

729
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: special team guy. So uh, he has he has the vision,

730
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: he has the loose hips, he has the change of direction.

731
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: The vision's key. The vision is key. You have to

732
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: see almost matrix like yeah, right right, especially as a

733
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: punt returner. Gonna have to slow down for you. Eleven

734
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: people all gunning that you get one thing in mind,

735
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: that it's not very friendly. No, no, that they're coming

736
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: with bad intentions. Um, we're gonna take another break. He

737
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: has Matt Williamson, I am Dale Lally. You're listening to

738
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We are live

739
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: from Steelers training camp practice here at St. Vincent College.

740
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: We are here until five o'clock. So don't you don't

741
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: want to go anywhere, you wants to stay right here,

742
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: giving you all the updates and letting you know everything

743
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: is happening here on the field in case you're one

744
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: of the you're not one of the seventeen thousand people

745
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: who were here in the right there anybody left? I

746
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, there has to be nation is that big.

747
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: But we're gonna take a break. We'll be back with

748
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: more here on Steelers Nation Radio. At least he's the

749
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on Home of

750
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back on

751
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson. And uh, we just

752
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: saw Connor Hayward go down there in the uh in

753
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: the open field, look like a an ankle injury. Even

754
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: Ray jumped right back up, but headed to the sideline

755
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: and then after uh standing there for a second, look

756
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: like you wanted to go back in, but trainer John

757
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: Norwich's stopped him from going back out there. And I mean,

758
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: we're pretty far into practice, but considering the fire move situation,

759
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: this is a great opportunity for him and he's been

760
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: out there quite a bit. Yeah, one thing, I saw

761
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: a break I just wanted to throw out there. And

762
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of reiterating what we've been saying about Picket,

763
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: But he had a nice row. He drove it into

764
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: a pretty decent window there well down the field, middle

765
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: of the field. Um. I don't remember what route concept

766
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: it was, but I did notice it needs to come

767
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: out a beat faster though. I mean, he's he's seeing

768
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: and throwing, you know, instead of Yeah, he needs to

769
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: come out of his break. The ball needs to be

770
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: there and you know that that's that's the thing he

771
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: needs to work on. And that's what we've been saying.

772
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: That was just a good example right there. Yeah, that's

773
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: another that's a young guy, young quarterback. Yeah right right.

774
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean those windows are there in the A sec.

775
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's just the way it is. Offense, more team.

776
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: This is one's on ones. It looks like I wonder

777
00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: if I haven't yet, so one handed interception. So it

778
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: was a quick hitting like screen concept r PO type

779
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: of deal. As soon as Trapisky gets the ball in

780
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: his hands, gets his out as fast as he possibly

781
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: can throw in the slot receiver t J dis reads

782
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: it the whole way and makes a very athletic interception

783
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: pick six, untouched one hand. I was hoping he'd punt

784
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: that one that stands. Maybe maybe his hands are right

785
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: right right right. When they drafted him, they brought him

786
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: over to us. We were doing a show at the

787
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: at the Y. Yeah, and he you know, he came

788
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: over and he shook our hands before before he went

789
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: on the air. And I'm like, his hands are big, Yeah, yeah,

790
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: they're they are. I don't know what size glove he wears,

791
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: but he's in a bath down a lot of now

792
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: they're doubling them. That's probably a good probably smart. That

793
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,959
Speaker 1: probably was a sack to that play. But Trabisky showed

794
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: good acceleration and getting out of things and yeah he

795
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: may have got out of a tackle and um, he's fast.

796
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: He just shows right there and he gets quick. He

797
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: gets the full speed pretty quickly. For us to see

798
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: him do that this year, him get out, you know,

799
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: if it's not their run usually ploticism, go pick up

800
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: eight yards slide and you know, first hound. I remember

801
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: talking about that when he was in Chicago because he

802
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: didn't run as much as last year there. I think

803
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: he was fighting an injury or something. Yeah, and didn't

804
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: do it nearly as much and just wasn't the same. Yeah.

805
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: I mean because if you remember his second season, oh yeah,

806
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: fifty yards that year. How many yards you think he

807
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: runs for this year in that neighborhood. Probably less, but

808
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: at least two fifties. Yeah, to say over to for sure,

809
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: assuming he plays every game. Pickings coming back the ball

810
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: there nicely. Uh yeah, I think he would have been down. Yeah.

811
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: I think the whistle blew. But you know he also

812
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: ran down and made some some blocks after the play too,

813
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: after the whistle, So Benny, Yeah, compete with it. Yeah, No,

814
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: he's he competes, picking, competes, he likes to block, he's physical.

815
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: I think a lot of his I hate to say

816
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: off the field issues, because I don't think they are

817
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: off the field. I think they're on the field. Their competitiveness.

818
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: You know that he that reputation he had with Georgia,

819
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: right right right, You know he is a very competitive guy.

820
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: It wants to win. Yeah, Um, dealers can live with that.

821
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: Mike Tom will take that all day. Mike Tom often says,

822
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: you'd rather say WHOA than sick him? Yeah, right right right?

823
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: You want that that kind of aggressiveness. There's a little

824
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: bits direction there. Get the jet sweep action one way

825
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: the moment the handoff goes the other. So there's so

826
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: much a defense mat I think what you're trying to

827
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: accomplish is the second level guys in particular, even if

828
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: they lean, let alone take one step to the to

829
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: the other to the motion side. And they're probably coach too.

830
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean, if someone's going to change the balance of formation,

831
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: you got to take a step or two to compensate

832
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: for it. But even if you're just leaning that way

833
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: or creates at the whole thing is creating conflict. I mean,

834
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: that's what if you can get those linebackers to be

835
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: slightly sure of where the ball's going, and that gives

836
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: the blockers a little bit better blocking angle, for one,

837
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: and it also gives him half a second more to

838
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: get there. There's a deep ball to Pickings, good coverage

839
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: everybody three one. Yeah, that's that's justin lane there. Nice

840
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: shot by him. But I also like Trabisky sees Pickings

841
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: one on one, I don't care who the corner is. Yeah,

842
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: and I think comes Rudolf on that one. It wasn't

843
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: okay Ulf giving him a chance to and it wasn't

844
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: a bad ball. It was really good coverage by Lane. Yeah,

845
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: but if you see pickings one on one, done sideline,

846
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: take it justin. Lane's kind of at a crossroads for

847
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: his career. He's kind of like McFarland and a couple

848
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: of these guys here four Now he's shown to be

849
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: very valuable in special teams. Yeah, but that doesn't mean

850
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: to get a second contract. Yeah, yeah, or you're the

851
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: second contract doesn't maybe what you want. Yeah, it's gonna

852
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: be a big league the type of stuff. But if

853
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: he could show he's a valuable corner, if he's a

854
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: good preseason in coverage, I'd go a long way for him. Yeah,

855
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: he's still young enough that, um, I've expected a little

856
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: more from a defensive player, and I like to pick

857
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: when the guy there was first round buzz about him, Yeah,

858
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: there was tested well in the long corner. You know,

859
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: he's everything that you want in the cornerback and hasn't

860
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: quite materialized. It really hasn't. But I think I think

861
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: he's passed James Pierre on the in the team in

862
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: terms of, Hey, if we got to cut one of

863
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: these guys, it's probably Pierre. So you think if one

864
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: of them had to play on defense, they would prefer Lane. Well,

865
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: I just think Lane has because he's such a good

866
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: special teams player that he's a more valuable He's a

867
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: more valuable Steelers. Yeah. I think that's definitely true. And

868
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: and Pierre plays on special teams too, but Lane's better

869
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: at it and plays more snaps there. Yeah, you know,

870
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean I think we talked about this before. Excuse me, Yeah,

871
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: your top five snap guys on special teams last year

872
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 1: were what what, Lane Snell, Snell, Gilbert, Gilbert, Ulysses Gilbert, Yeah,

873
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: Marcus Allen, Killer Brew I think was right behind those guys,

874
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: But there were five that was a little bit more

875
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: than everybody else. There were them. You're right, So those guys,

876
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a pretty good indicator of how the

877
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: team feels about this, right. I bet if we pulled

878
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: the people that are here, there you go. Nice throw

879
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: by that was that was Mason Rudolph against squeezing it

880
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: into Miles Boy over the middle again, over the middle,

881
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: down the field, not just a crosser within five yards

882
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: of line of scrimmage where linebacker blows you up, but

883
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: over the middle ten to thirty yards downfield. I mean

884
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: that's blades of grass they never attacked last year. Um,

885
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: what was I saying something really smart that I forgot about? Whatever,

886
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: come back to it. Yeah, and then Boy can put

887
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: the shoulder down a little bit there too. Stuff. I

888
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: don't know if Boy can makes his team, but I mean,

889
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: if you can get him or Claypool in a situation

890
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: like that over the middle, hit him in stride and

891
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: just let them be big against safeties or corners in

892
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: in a trail position, they're gonna get yards after the catch,

893
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: that's for you. Yeah, they're just a big person to

894
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: get on the ground. And that's like throwing to the

895
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: tight end down the scene. Yeah, but a faster one.

896
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: But a faster right, a little more moves and you know, right,

897
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: but that's you know that those throws down the middle

898
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: field off of play action too flash. If you get

899
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: those linebackers just to cheat up a little bit, put

900
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: them in over the over the top, right, that's what

901
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: the game is all about now. And that's one thing

902
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: that you know, they just didn't do a lot of

903
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: in the last few years. I mean, they just it

904
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: just wasn't there. Whether whether you know Roethlisberger didn't like

905
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: to run a lot of play action, um, and I

906
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: get it. In the middle field wasn't well. In the

907
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: middle field wasn't used much. And I really think when

908
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: you start throwing the middle field, it's gonna help the

909
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: run game too, because I mean, they're linebackers, back them

910
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: off a little bit. And this is you see this

911
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: in the league no matter what now, but the linebacker's

912
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: first reaction is to play pass, you know. And if

913
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: you get those guys going backwards, you know, but right

914
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: off the snap and can get Nagy downhill on them

915
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: and they're on their heels. Yeah, I think the running

916
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: game would profit a lot. You know. I saw some stuff,

917
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: um where Steelers didn't see quite as much stacked boxes.

918
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: What you think. I don't know what people were watching

919
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: on that, because when I watched the Steelers, I read

920
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: that on Warren Sharp Sharps book, and it made no

921
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: sense to me at all, because every time the ball

922
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: was snapped last year, I saw ten defenders within five

923
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: yards of the line of scrimmage. Yeah, it's funny brought

924
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: that out because you and I hadn't talked about that

925
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: off the air, and I remember as soon as that

926
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: book came out, which I love. I like Warren Sharps

927
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: book a lot, and I read the Steeler section first,

928
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: of course, and you know he was being critical the offense,

929
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: which it deserved blame. But one of his big things

930
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: was they didn't run the ball against light boxes last

931
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: year and boxes. I I'm not, I'm not counting every

932
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: snap and I'm not doing the work warr and you guys,

933
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: I believe you. But I didn't see it that way

934
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: at all. And I wonder if if they called the

935
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: box the first six yards, was there a million people

936
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: with seven or you know what I mean? They weren't

937
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: a deep one guy deep they had. There was always

938
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: a deep safety and it wasn't like corners were well

939
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: off the line either. There was a lot of people

940
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: near the ball. Yeah, I that that always that struck

941
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: me as odd. Yeah, it didn't that. It's one of

942
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: the few things that didn't add up. And even then

943
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned I went to the Football Outsider's book this morning.

944
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: They said the Steelers were twenty second in terms of

945
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: stacked boxes, which is still low. But again they must

946
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: there must be some definition that everybody goes with of

947
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: what a quote stacked boxes. And I also thought, and

948
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: I didn't do enough homework on this, the Steelers, as

949
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: we've often brought up besides the Super Bowl teams, had

950
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: more eleven personnel than anyone in the league. Three wide receivers,

951
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: a tight end, and the back. So if you're saying

952
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: eight man boxes, well you're never gonna get an eight

953
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: man box when they're in nickel and you know, or

954
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: is it just a plus one situation or minus one

955
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: situation something? But if it's a certain because the Steelers

956
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: play so much eleven personnel, right, if it's seven or

957
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: more as a stack box, well you're never gonna get that.

958
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: But you're short a blocker to right, you know what

959
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean? So I they never really defined it, or

960
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: I never did enough homework to figure out exactly what

961
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: they call a stack box. How I would define a

962
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: stack boxes. There's one unblocked defender. You know, whatever package

963
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: you have out there, you know, if you're in a

964
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: twenty one or twelve, well you know, eight guys is

965
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: a stack box. But if you're in eleven, then seven

966
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: guys a stack box. So I don't know how they

967
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: defined it, but that didn't pass a sniff testimony. No,

968
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: it didn't for me there, and I would I would

969
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: look at it as again, how many guys are you know,

970
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: are your corners? If the corners are pressed, then let's

971
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: say you're you're again, you're in eleven personnel, so all

972
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: three corners are in press coverage. Yeah, yeah, and then

973
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're so okay, So now you're your

974
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: your safety drops down as well, so okay. Kind of

975
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: an overhanging. Technically, they're only you know, you know, you're

976
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: you've got two linebackers on the field and a nickel. Okay,

977
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: so technically only have seven in the box, but really

978
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: you have ten guys, you like, do you think about

979
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: those old Seattle you know lesion of boom teams Camp

980
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: Chancellor was a very high percentage of time on the

981
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: strong side of the formation, the tight end side, about

982
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: eight yards off the box, kind of over him probably

983
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: not in the box, you know what I mean, But

984
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: he's eight yards off the ball. He's close enough to

985
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: the box that one step he's in the box. Yeah, right,

986
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: right right, And he could kind of do a little

987
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: bit of everything he could. He could roll back into

988
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: a cover too, So at least there's some you know,

989
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: gray area there for a quarterback to figure out what

990
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: he's doing. But and this is where I was going

991
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: with this too, maybe they did face lighter boxes. Maybe

992
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: football siders and Warren's numbers are dead on. But if

993
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinators telling them, you're playing downhill like crazy,

994
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like, you know, play run

995
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: first and short passes and just attack, attack, attack, because

996
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: they're not gonna beat you over your head. So maybe

997
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: those numbers are dead on. But I had a lot

998
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: of first steps for forward. I think that's I think

999
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: that's fair, and everybody might be right. Then, Yeah, take

1000
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: that stuff about the Steelers not facing many stacked boxes. Uh,

1001
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs didn't face many stack boxes, you know,

1002
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 1: I mean there's just a ton of people well off

1003
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage giving you the short stuff. Well,

1004
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: they played the Steelers a total opposite. I didn't see

1005
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: that with the Sailers last year, and I think it

1006
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: was because they played so much eleven that they saw

1007
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: a lot of nickel and it just doesn't count one

1008
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote stack box. There's one fewer block. Uh, That

1009
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: to me is is the difference there. And again I'm

1010
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: sure of their coach to come downhill, blow things up,

1011
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: key on Nagy. Yeah, that's gonna practices over it just ended.

1012
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: You here the crowd clap there, he's starting to see

1013
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: everybody's starting to file over to Along the Look at

1014
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: the look at Along. I bet autographs are insane today.

1015
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: That's gonna be nuts. Um. This is as big a

1016
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: crowd as they get for like the night practice over

1017
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: at Latrope Heist, I would think bigger. I mean there's

1018
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: a lot of space here where people are tucked in

1019
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: differentia all over the place. But we're gonna take another

1020
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: break here. We'll take you into our three here to

1021
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: finish up the show. Uh. He is Matt Williamson. I

1022
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: am Dale Lully. We are live from Steelers training camp

1023
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: here at St. Vincent College practice just ending moments ago.

1024
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this