WEBVTT - #480 Packers Unscripted: Getting back on track 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:20.880 M Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:23.720 I am Mike Spofford. He is the one and only 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.200 West had kowits for coming to you here from our 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.160 studios at lambeau Field. And this is our final show 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:31.160 of the week as we will take a break from 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.040 recording shows the rest of this week over the holiday. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.800 So happy Thanksgiving to everyone out there. Hope you certainly 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.560 enjoy a day with family and friends. But West, because 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:43.319 it is our final show of the week, we might 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.040 as well dive right into Keys to Victory here. The 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:50.240 Packers are headed to play the Giants in New Jersey 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:55.160 Sunday noon Central time kickoff. The objective is to get 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.400 win number nine. So how do the Packers go about 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.360 doing that? Bringing up right now nfl g S I 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.920 S the the information system for the NFL, and I 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.280 can tell you confidently right now, the New York Giants 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.720 are thirty second in the league when it comes to 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:14.640 giveaways via the fumble fifteen lost fumbles minus eleven and 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:20.640 turnover differential this season. It's not very fancy. It's not 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.920 this big, huge, massive take. The Green Bay Packers have 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.080 been pretty good at points in this season. Taking the 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.440 ball away. They need to do that. And you know 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.760 the other thing is to see Kwon Barkley has been 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.399 much beligned here the last month, people kind of doubting 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.960 where he's been at. If he's healthy, the issues are 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.319 having running the ball. The Packers can't allow themselves to 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.160 be the comeback game here for Sae Kwon Barkley. He 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.279 needs to stay on that same trajectory. Fourteen carries twenty 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:52.400 eight yards, thirteen carries one yard, seventeen carries sixty yards. 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.000 I mean this, this pattern he's been on. You can't 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.040 allow him to break out because that's what you've seen 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.320 in this league. He's a young man, he has a 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.280 lot of ability. If you allow him to be able 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.200 to break one early, it's going to make for a 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.360 long afternoon. So to me, there's the two biggest things 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.240 in this game. Take the ball away. If the fumbles 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.480 present themselves, the interception presents itself, execute on it. And 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.000 then just make sure that s Kwon Barkley doesn't run wild. Yeah, 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.760 And with regards to those comeback players, I'll add that 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.920 the Packers can't let this be Evan Ingram's big comebat game. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.360 If he does return from the foot injury, which we 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.360 will see as the rest of the week goes along. 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.079 But we all know the problems the Packers have had 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.200 covering tight ends in the middle of the field. Ingram 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.720 is a guy that Daniel Jones would love to rely on. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.960 They'd love to build the entire passing attack around him 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.560 against a defense like Green Bays. So if Evan Ingram 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.320 is playing, or really whoever is playing tight end, but 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.400 certainly he's the most dynamic if he is healthy enough 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:50.000 to go, the Packers have got to do something about it. Wes. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.960 I mean, you know, we've seen Travis Kelsey, uh, Darren 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:58.200 Waller from Oakland, um now obviously um yeah, Greg Olsen 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.959 from the Panthers, and obviously George Kittle from the forty Niners. 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.200 Tight ends have been burning this defense, and the Packers 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.560 have got us somehow, some way find a way to 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.680 put a stop to it and start that trending in 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.040 the other direction here down the stretch. Yeah, because if 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.720 you go back independent of the Packers own issues defending 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.200 the middle of the field and tight ends this season, 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.520 the last time New York's offense other than you know, 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.160 some promising signs last year for sake, Kwon Barkley. The 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.800 last time their offense really was feared was during Evan 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.840 Ingram's rookie season when he went off for what eight 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.760 hundred yards, had a bunch of touchdowns, just really looked 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.720 like this guy was going to be a decade defining, 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.200 era defining tight end. What he looked like in him 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.200 coming out of the first round and the ability to 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:43.960 just jump right in there as a rookie, And how 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:45.520 many times have I said on the show how long 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.080 it takes for those type of players tight ends to 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.800 get it up to speed with the game, the speed 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.800 of the game. Evan Ingram didn't have those issues. Yeah, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.880 he was high impact right away, but the issues he 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.320 has had is with injuries. And I'm glad you pointed 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.040 out Ingram because we could go at this time and 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.600 I were discussing, Okay, well, if George Kittle plays, the 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.320 Packers have to be ready for it. Devin Ingram plays, 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.720 you have to be ready for it, because, as Kittle showed, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.720 even if a guy's coming off an injury like that, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:11.800 he's still George Kittle. He could still burn you in 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.040 the middle of the field. And really that was the 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.800 biggest you know, not to steal Wayne's phrase here, but 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.640 dagger in that game was that the Packers just were 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:23.840 not able to come back mount the comeback they needed 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.560 without allowing the explosive play. And you can't allow Evan 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.640 Gram to be that player. Yeah, I mean, I would 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.440 say also with regard to this game, I mentioned I 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.720 believe it was on yesterday's show that the Giants have 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.120 been outscored one to seven in the first quarter of 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.800 this year. It would really behoove the Packers to get 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.240 off to a fast start in this game. You're on 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.240 the road. Don't let a two and nine team on 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.440 a holiday weekend feel like they're going to be in 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.640 the game, feel like, you know, hey, they can they 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.080 can make a statement here by knocking off one of 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.440 the NFC's contenders. All that you have to you have 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.960 to jump on this team early, try to break their 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.320 spirit a little bit and uh and then you know, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.840 really just just get back on track with what's been 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:10.159 successful and what's gotten the Packers eight victories this year, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.760 which is which is using the running backs Aaron Jones 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.279 and Jamal Williams getting that defense to take the ball away. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.720 As you were talking about, get back to what's one 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.880 you football games, and that that to me, really is 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.640 what this Sunday trip to play the Giants is all about. Yeah, 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:31.240 and especially from the offensive standpoint you mentioned defensively this 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.640 year Giants have had a really difficult time and it's 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.320 been kind of a pattern for them for about three 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.919 or four years now, where the unit that in the 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.640 late two thousands and even in early two thousand tens 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.159 was really stout, could dictate the tempo of the game, 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.839 had a lot of pressure, could take the ball away. 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.240 They've really had none of that the last five years 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.240 and this year it's kind of seeped into that as well. So, yeah, 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.200 from Aaron Rodgers and in the running backs perspective and 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.480 these offensive playmakers, this is where you have to get up. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.520 You have to able to mount some offense and and really, 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:04.680 you know, give it to the Giants the way that 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:09.440 they should be dominated. When you look at this on paper, again, 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.440 you can't look past the moment. How many times have 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.280 I said that this week? But this is the type 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.919 of game where you can't even allow them to be 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.479 in the game, I feel, especially being on the road. 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:24.200 You get this win, you host Washington next week, then 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.440 suddenly you find yourself at ten wins, you have to 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.520 earn them. But the Path of the Playoffs, to steal 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.320 my sponsor spor phrase is there for Green Bay. Well, 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.359 I'd like to bring Path to the Playoffs back to 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.200 Packers dot Com sooner than later make an appearance last year, 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.440 did it? No, it hasn't made it. It hasn't made 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:45.080 an appearance. Well, actually I think the one right at 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.200 the game when Rogers was going to come back from 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.159 the collar bone. But then obviously the Packers were eliminated 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.720 after that. But yes, I would like to bring Path 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.480 to the Playoffs back to the website as a weekly 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.760 feature down the stretch here, but I think it's at 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.479 eight wins. It's a little too early to be to 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.560 go with that. But if you get to that ten marker, 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:05.640 that's the one you always talk about. And to be 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.839 at ten wins and then hosting the Chicago Bears at 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.640 home in week fourteen or week fifteen, excuse me, that's 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:17.040 that's the path. And the Giants are interesting because they 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.840 have played some teams tough, but they've just always been 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.760 in a position this year where they've kind of, you know, 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.080 shot themselves in the foot at the wrong time. And 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.880 it's costs the ball games. But I think last week's 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.160 showed against Chicago. If you play down to their level, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.400 they will mount a challenge. So for Green Bay, I 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.400 think that's the biggest thing, just getting off to a 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.440 fast start. We talked about it a lot, but they 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.000 haven't done it in two of these three losses. They 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.440 need to be able to do that. Yeah, I'm gonna 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.080 put you on the spot here in a set to it, 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.600 but I'm gonna preface it by saying that neither you 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.440 nor I is an XS and OS expert. We don't 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.960 coach this game. We've never played this game at any 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:58.840 sort of high level. I the Howard Swamma Correct League 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.520 would very much, okayagree with you on that. All right, Well, 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.200 maybe I had three sacks and flag football my last year. 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.440 Maybe maybe the maybe the Platteville Rec League flag football 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.520 in middle school would would count. Give yourself what I 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.800 what I wanted to preface this with those I know 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.880 all the fans are asking, well, how do you how 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.960 do you go about guarding the tight ends? How do 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.320 you go about, you know, defending the middle of the field. 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.120 I don't have the answers XS and OSE wise all 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.120 I know is I think the Packers have got to 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:30.440 try to find something different because what they have tried 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.959 to this point is not working. I'm gonna turn a 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.960 question out to you about the offense, because there are 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:37.960 a lot of questions right now, is to what is 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.480 going on with this Packers offense Since Davante Adams came back. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.960 The offense was better statistically all across the board. The 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.240 offense was better in the four games that Adams was gone. 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.439 So what do the Packers have to do offensively with 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.760 Adams back in the lineup to get back to where 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.120 they were? And again I say, I'm putting you on this. No. 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:04.480 The thing I really liked from that Chargers game. I 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:06.920 know that sounds weird probably saying that coming out of 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.440 my mouth with everything that went wrong, but you know, 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:13.320 we talked about adaptation and Jason Wilde from the Athletic 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.160 and ESPN Wisconsin and all the other entities that Jason 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.280 you know, works for right now, he did have an 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:22.120 interesting story last week about Matt Lafleur Kyle Shannon and 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.840 how they will like steal concepts from other teams. I 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:30.760 really liked that that first game against after Kansas City 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:35.679 all that motion and not and not really like formal motion, 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.440 like almost sort of like Arena League guys just moving 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.319 around in the backfield, not even really getting set before 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.920 the play. I really like that concept that they ran 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.360 with Hardman, and they ran at some with Tyreek Hill 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.800 Kansas City did in that game against Green Bay. They 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.840 come out against the Chargers, they did the same exact 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.760 thing with Aaron Jones. I understand it went for a 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.640 one yard loss on the catch, but I really liked 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.920 it because it allows him to get open in space 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:04.920 and they haven't. That's the last time Aaron Jones. I 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.600 think it's called a ball if I remember correctly. Now, 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.840 the challenge here is that when they split Aaron Jones out, 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:16.440 now you're seeing more safety cornerback help than you did 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.240 when it was just a middle linebacker trailing him. You 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.320 can't do that. He's proven his hands are too good 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.160 and he's too fleet of foot. I still think there's 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.040 ways you can scheme him open. And for as many 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:28.880 times as Jamal Williams caught the ball last week, and 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:30.559 mind you, some of that was in garbage time late, 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.280 but he had seven catches, you have to be able 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.560 to put the ball in Aaron Jones hand outside the numbers. Okay, 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:40.160 I'm laying that out as like one thing because my 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.800 original thought when Davante Adams came back is you have 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:46.720 these two weapons, established weapons in the National Football League. 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.200 That's going to be a challenge for defense is to 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.920 figure out how to scheme against them. Now, they've played 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.120 some pretty good units San Francisco. There's not a whole 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:55.520 lot that can be drawn out of that because I 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.520 think San Francisco is the best defense in the NFL 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.520 right now. But the games against Carolina in l A. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:02.680 I think there were opportunities there the Packers were not 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.080 able to take advantage of. So whether it comes down 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.440 to the game plan coming in, sticking to the game plan, 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.040 you know, finding different things that work for where the 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.920 offense is at. That's the challenge from Matt Lafleour this week. 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:16.840 It's a challenge of these offensive coaches in the weeks 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.960 to come. But they've they've been more spread out, they 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.080 haven't been doing as many condensed formations as they did 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.840 early on this season. I just I wrote it an 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:29.240 inbox this morning on Wednesday morning. I just feel like 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:30.959 you got to get back to doing what you do well, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.160 and I don't know in these last two losses if 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.240 we've really seen that, if you know what I mean, Yeah, no, 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.440 I hear you. I'll say this. And I don't like 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.920 to get into schematic discussions too much. I just wanted 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.680 to throw that one at you when I look at 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.520 the San Francisco forty Niners game, and what sticks out 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.640 in my memory that that is one heck of a 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.240 defense that San Francisco has. I take nothing away from 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.680 it from them by any means. The two plays that 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.720 stick out to me in my mind that really worked 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.880 for the Packers and looked like they were the best 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.640 plays they ran all night eight the end around Alan 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:07.000 Lazar and then the touch pass to Davante Adams going 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.000 in motion that went for a walk in touchdown. So 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.840 it was as though, okay, so those plays work. But 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.120 then all the other times the Packers were running the 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.160 motion and all that kind of stuff, the forty Niners 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.240 weren't biting. So the times that they actually did give 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.640 those guys the ball, those plays work. So do you 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.480 need to do you need to literally give those plays 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.840 more of a chance to get defenses to just play 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.800 you more. Honestly, I'm just I'm throwing it out there. Yeah, 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.720 and I actually did. Like I mean, both of those 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:38.679 plays might came out of those those bunch for more 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.640 informations we were talking about. In the Lazard one, I 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.200 really liked because for the last two years everyone's been 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.520 talking about Alan Lazar being you know, a hybrid you 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.839 know type receiver tight end. Yeah, line them up off 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:51.839 left tackle, let him come around on an end around. 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:53.760 He had the second. We had that little screen up 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.880 in the press box that shows you, like that must 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.079 be a next gen Stafford speed Alan Lazard, who have 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:00.840 buy a lot of people up they were he wasn't 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:02.480 fast enough to play in the NFL. Yeah, one of 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.760 the reasons he didn't get drafted. He had the second 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.360 fastest time on a play of any other player that night, 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.040 nineteen point eight. Miles pro Er was his peak speed 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.400 on that play. Yeah, get that guy the football in 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.920 those situations. I guess my point is, you know, giving 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:19.280 the ball to the receivers in those motion type situations, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.280 maybe instead of doing it as a token thing, like, 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.040 actually build more off of that so that the defenses 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.080 really do have to honor it for the bulk of 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.480 the game. And then maybe it opens some opens up 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.880 some other things against defenses, like the forty Niners that 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.240 you know, quite frankly looked like they knew everything that 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.120 was coming at him. So, you know, I really like 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:40.880 that that you mentioned that, because that was one of 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.320 the things when I was looking at the box score 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.280 last week going in this game, I'm like, wow, you know, 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.360 for as much motioning as the Packers have done, I 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:50.640 think maybe Trevor Davis had two carries, I think NBS 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.480 had one this season, they haven't actually fed the ball 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.040 a lot to the to they show, they show, they 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:57.920 show it a lot, they show it a lot. But 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:01.720 maybe maybe it's maybe it's time to actually just run though, 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.320 actually run those and give the ball to those guys 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.880 more often and make defenses play you more. Honestly, in 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.480 that respect, I don't know, And there is a lot 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:10.480 of variation that goes into all this, but when you 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.240 think about it, you go back to a month or 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.199 two ago with the Danny vitality, you know, wheel route 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.080 out of the backfield, those type of things. Those are 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.040 the things that defenses once they see them, they have 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.080 to scheme against them. And when you have more variation, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.040 when you have more unpredictability. That's when things really kind 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.480 of open up. That the problem the Packers have been 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.840 stuck in in the game against the Charges and now 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.880 against the forty niners is when you fall behind the 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.680 way they did at halftime. Now you're spreading it out 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.880 a lot more. Now you aren't able to run as 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.320 much because the game situations definitely get into into how 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.360 you go about things in the second half. But what's 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.600 the difference, Mike, The Packers are eight in three when 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.040 they had those aid victories. It's being able to get 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.040 off too fast stars. It's being able to score off 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.400 that initial possession. We can talk until you know, however 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.680 long we want about certain schematic adjustments. If you score, 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.360 if you get that first drive right away off the bat, 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.120 that what ultimately gets you set up for the remainder 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.320 of the games. It sets the tone absolutely. Um Select 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.320 Cousin Subs locations West are now offering delivery. Whether you're 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.240 ordering catering or your favorite sub, They're delivering right to 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.840 you when you order online at Cousin Subs dot com. 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:22.080 Cousin Subs we believe in better. Okay, Thanksgiving Day is 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.240 right around the corner, and that means football three games 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:32.320 early mid afternoon and evening Bears Lions in Detroit. Quick thoughts, Oh, 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.120 you know it's it's really emotional for me, Mike that 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.960 it's been six years since I've eaten that Thanksgiving turkey 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:44.280 at Ford Field. Man, those are the days the last 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.960 time the Packers played in Detroit and a very a 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:51.440 very forgettable one. Of the current NFL stadiums, there's only 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.440 one n RG and Houston I have not been to yet, 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.640 which I will check that box hopefully knock on wood 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.360 next year. Uh. The Ford Field is the only one 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.680 that I make up beeline for the for the food, 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.560 not because it's awesome, but because it runs out very quickly. Yeah, well, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.160 I was gonna say I've covered I've covered Thanksgiving games 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.840 at Ford Field in two thousand seven, two thousand nine, 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.040 two thousand eleven, and two thousand thirteen. I have yet 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.920 to eat a bite of turkey at Ford Field Ford 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.640 because they always run out of food. I don't frequently 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.840 get timed at the forty, but if you had like 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.200 one of those highway guns, like in terms of like 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.080 measuring like speed, that thing, I'd be I'd be pushing 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.840 maximum speed on that thing because not that again, not 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.120 that the turkey is that good, but if you don't 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.160 get to the turkey, it's just potato salad. And you know, 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.240 you know Lettuce. I mean, ask Tom Silverstein from the 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:42.400 Waukie Journal Sentinel about that. But okay, long story short, Chicago, Detroit. Yeah, 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.720 I don't know. It's interesting to me. I don't know 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.560 what's happened the last few years where the Packers have 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.400 not been put on Thanksgiving ever since the Brett Farve 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.480 comeback game, because they played in thirteen in Detroit and 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:56.520 it was basically every other year they were going to 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.960 do every every odd number year, like I say, seven, nine, eleven, thirty, 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:04.080 and then fifteen was the Bret for game here against 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.239 Chicago on Thanksgiving, which was a rainy night, just like 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.960 it is outside right now as we're taping the show. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.240 But yes, since two thousand and fifteen, now the Packers 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.400 have not played on things like it's turned the world 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.320 on its access and now they can't find a way 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.400 to get back to equilibrium. No, but I mean the 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.640 Chicago Jeff Driscoll, if he plays David blows his back 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:28.240 up the former Perdue quarterback. Um, to me, this looks 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.639 like a game where Chicago should improve to six and six. 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.479 I don't see any other way around it. Their defense 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:37.639 is still pretty good, they have enough offensive weapons. I 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.919 just haven't seen anything from the Driscoll Lions offense to 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.879 suggest that they're going to win this game. Yeah, I 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.760 think the I think the Bears are looking at this 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.520 obviously as get to six and six and then they say, hey, 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:52.160 you know, we have one more game and then we're 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.119 going to be playing the Green Bay Packers. So the 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.800 Bears are looking at it saying, hey, if we can 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.119 get to seven and six and then come to lambeau 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.200 Field and knock off the Packers and get to eaten 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.480 six with two games to go, then it's like, hey, 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.960 you're still scoreboard watching in in that instance. But they're 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:07.639 hanging on by a thread and they're gonna try to 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.080 hang on as long as they can. They kind of 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:10.920 remind me a little bit of the Pittsburgh Steelers too, 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.439 because it's not like you're not playing for draft picks. 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.720 I mean you're playing for wins. There aren't draft picks there, 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.400 so they got to get after this thing. I think 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.359 for Ryan Pace and and certainly for Matt Nagge, showing 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.480 that the steps that they made last year, they're not 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.280 that far off of that. But and and let's be 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.720 honest to Mike for Mitchell Trobiskie, it's got one month 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.159 here to show some real signs of improvement. Needs to 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.720 make those strides. Yeah, no question alright. Game number two 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.280 on Thanksgiving, the Dallas Cowboys hosting the Buffalo Bills. A 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.720 lot of noise in Dallas from Jerry Jones and his 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.840 frustrations with losing to the Patriots last week and the 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.040 Cowboys being six and five at this stage and the 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.320 Buffalo Bills at eight and three and looking to try 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.119 to stay on track for a playoff spot in the 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.080 a f C. But everybody questioning just how good the 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.680 Buffalo Bills are based on their schedule and who they beat. 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:01.720 It really weird. I don't know what the Vegas ads 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.399 are in this game. I would still think that the 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.560 Cowboys are favored, even though the issues they've had. But 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.399 here's the thing for Buffalo, this happened to him two 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.200 years ago with Sean McDermott's first year as I think 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:12.560 his first year as head coach. Maybe it was two 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.960 years ago. You gotta play that you gotta win the 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.480 games that are in front of you, and for the 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.000 most part they have. Now they've taken on the chin 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.679 a couple of times too, but you know that's a 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:25.320 good defense. Offensively, they do enough to win some of 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.399 these games. I still don't think they're overly dynamic with 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.680 what they do, but be that as it may, they're 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.320