WEBVTT - Marvel's What If...? Finale + Venom: Let There Be Carnage 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.680 What I'm trying to warn you about what about spoilers. 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.080 Today there will be major spoilers from Sodi's Run Them 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.800 Let that regard it, Disney's What If, and not even 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.240 the watcher knows what else. Okay, fine, great, thank you 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:17.799 for this, I love you. 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:29.920 Hello. 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.280 Welcome to episode six of Extra Revision of the crook 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.400 Of podcast, where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.320 pop culture and more. Today we are covering the finale 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.880 of the Disney Plus show What If and giving our 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:50.360 thoughts on the pure, uncut insanity that is Venom Let 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.199 there Be Cardage and so much more. But first, welcome 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.320 back to the show writer, comic book whiz pop culture prophet, 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.600 the Great Rosie Night. Rosie, Hello, Hello, how are you doing. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:04.880 I'm doing great. I've my brain has been absolutely shattered 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:09.039 by the venom Let their Becardage experience, so let's talk 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:14.800 about it. Quick quick recap for the folks. This is, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:22.160 of course, the second Venom movie and spoiler alert, a 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:27.080 bridge for Venom to enter the MCU, directed by mocap 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:33.440 Whiz Andy Circus, written by Kelly Marcel of Saving Mister 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:38.360 Banks in Fifty Shades of Grave fame a quick recap 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:43.679 if that's necessary. Venom and Tom Hardy's Eddie Brock have 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:50.480 deepened their relationship, but of course, like any relationship, they've 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.440 entered that rocky phase, that kind of like post I 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.760 love you phase where it's like, Okay, now it's time 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.760 to do the dishes. Now it's time to clean the apartment, 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:03.000 or not clean the apartment apparently, and uh, you know, 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.440 a Venom would like to eat people, Eddie Brock is like, no, 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:11.600 please don't. Meanwhile, a piece of the symbiote has gotten 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:16.959 free during Eddie Brock's interview with the serial killer Cletus Cassidy, 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:21.800 and guess what, Carnage is born. This movie is purely insane, Rosie. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.400 I mean, everything that you just said sounds like it 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:27.760 couldn't fit into eighty five minutes. And what you were 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.040 talking about was literally like the first fifteen minutes of 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:30.760 the movie. 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.160 Well that let me just say this, eighty five minutes 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:38.280 a brisk eighty five like it goes Yeah, it wastes 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.520 absolutely no time getting to the mid credit scene, which 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:46.040 is really the important thing. I love eighty five to 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.240 ninety minute movies, and this is one of those. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.360 Ninety minute movies. Is like I always say, like if 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.000 a movie's ninety minutes, I'm probably gonna enjoy it. But 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.240 I was not prepared for a big budget, big two 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.520 superhero movie to be a five minute. It's like we 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.680 are living in the three hour Like I saw this 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:04.920 on this same day There's No Time to Die, which 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.040 was really good, but it's like two hours and forty 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.079 five minutes. So I went into this thinking it would 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.320 be like two hours and twenty minutes long, and suddenly 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.040 it was the end of the movie, and I was like, WHOA, 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:21.560 what just happened? Like it is absolutely unhinged. It took 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:26.079 everything that I thought they would never carry over from 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.520 the first movie, and they just put only that in 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.799 the second movie. They cut out the kind of cinematic 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.080 backstories and the and the stuff that tried to make 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.240 the first movie a long and be story based, I guess, 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.520 and instead they were just like it's Tom Hardy and 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.280 he's playing Venom and Eddie Brock they're both unhinged. And 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.920 also here's Michelle Williams with some unbelievable line reads. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:53.040 Just Michelle Williams is in this movie, Like I need 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:57.320 to put the down payment on my lake house, like yeah, energy, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.840 like I'm here to make sure my kids fund is 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:02.440 firmly established. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.280 In the first movie, she actually has like my favorite line, 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.760 which is near the end of the first movie, after 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.680 everything that's happened, when Venom has apparently been blown up 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.120 or something. They're sitting on this street looking over like 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.479 the beautiful late San Francisco stealin and she looks at 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:20.120 him and she's like, really sincere. She's like, sorry about Venom. 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.440 Like I say that all the time because I'm like, 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.280 what do you mean He's like an alien who took 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.280 over this guy's body, Like, what what do you mean? 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.880 Sorry about Veniam? But in this movie, every line she 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.599 delivers is on that level of incredibleness. Like they're in 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.279 a restaurant and she's like, is Venom in there? And 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.560 she's like, yeah, secretly talk to Venom. And it's just 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.720 like I can't fathom. When I watched the movie, I'm like, 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.960 this is a true time capsule of the time we're in, 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.640 because there is just no way that this movie exists 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.440 at any other period of time. There's just no way. 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.120 Part of the issue and part of why this movie 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.840 is insane, this is let me just bottom line it, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.800 this is not a good movie, but there are things 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.160 about it, much like the first Venom movie, that are 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.640 so insane that I'm really glad that they're there because 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.360 they're so weird. That said, no one in this film 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:18.640 reacts the way a human being would react to literally anything. 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.520 There is one point where missus Chen. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.840 The missus Chen, the grocery store. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:30.120 Owner who remember from the first episode, miss Chen is 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:34.600 is hard at work and a venom host right, so, 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.920 like Venom and Eddie have been separated, and Venom is 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.680 jumping from body body and absolutely just burning, just killing bodies, 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:46.320 out killing people. A venom host wanders into missus Chen's store, 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.560 so it's Venom and a different body and collapses and 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.360 and pukes. It's like the blackness coming out of like 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.680 and and looks like on the edge of death. And 0:05:55.720 --> 0:06:00.680 missus Chen like lovingly cradles this half corpses head to 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.480 her chest like a like a mother cray lak er child. 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:09.279 It's like what And the theater is guffawing loud. You 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.920 knew that it was gonna be nuts. When the movie 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:17.520 opens with the Chiron nineteen ninety six and we see 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.960 a younger version of Cleatus Cassidy played by Jack Bandira. 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.240 So this is the younger version of Woody Harrelsoon's character. 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.920 Woody Harrelson was about thirty five thirty six in nineteen 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.960 ninety six. He's being played by like a twenty three 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:37.440 year old man in this flashback, and they dub Woody 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:43.880 Harrelson's voice now over the performance of Jack Bandera as 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:50.719 young Kleatus. It is that choice alone is so fucking crazy, 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.240 and you knew when that happened that you were in 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:55.200 for this shit. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.760 And and so like the funniest thing about that is 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.760 like that is the most unhinged thing about opening, But 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.200 it almost isn't because like you we're we're introduced to 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.880 them because they're like, so it's Cletus and U Shriek, 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.400 who's Frances Barrison, Ye know me Harris when she's older, 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.800 And they're communicating through their toilets like it's like a 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:21.720 romantic toilet sister is like they have to put their 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.200 faces next to their toilets to talk to each other 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.280 in this like terrible orphanage there. And also the other 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.600 thing that kind of blew my mind about that opening 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.720 is they just straight up basically say that Shriek is 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:36.560 a mutant. She's like, she's like, oh, the mutations are 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.680 too strong, And I was like, whoa, I didn't even know, 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.040 like Marvel anyone could say the word mutation, like what's 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.080 going on here? And uh and yeah, I mean that, 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.960 it's just that when they dubbed Woody Harrison's voice, you 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.440 just know you're in for it. You're like, it's it's, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:56.160 it's it's things are going on. I mean, well, they 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.680 just so obviously like they wanted to get to the 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.280 end of that, and they wanted to do some cool fights, 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:02.680 and they wanted to through the mid credit scene. So 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.640 halfway through the movie, they're just like, uh, what's Woody 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.480 Harrison been in before Natural Born Killers? And then they 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.800 just do like twenty minutes of Natural Born Killers with 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:11.320 him and. 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:16.280 Shriek, down to his outfit, down to the car, down 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.720 to the way they are driving around. Naomi Harris, you 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:23.119 want to talk at line reads Naomi Harris in this film, man, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.560 She's one of the greats. I love her. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:26.280 Yeah. 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.840 How crazy Also to be like, you saw her in 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.160 two movies that day and it could not be the 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:38.080 oh yeah in No U of Polar opposites truly, like 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:38.960 No Time to Die. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:44.640 She is just the absolute like smoothest, Yeah, incredible. You 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:46.840 just watch her and you're like wow, like I just 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.640 want to see like the movie only about Moneypenny, Like 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.760 that's all I want to see. This is just pure 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.880 in this movie, she's just chewing scenery and venom. She's 0:08:55.920 --> 0:09:00.720 loving life. There's that one scene where she's like, he's like, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.120 I think it's the guy from Veep Dan, and he's 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:07.120 like Dan was also named Dan in this movie. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.720 Strangely, they made the decision in movie one to be 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:18.520 like this actor's most famous role is named Dan, so 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:22.000 we'll just make him his most famous role is also 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.319 named Dan, so let's also call him Dan. And he 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:25.800 completely confusing. 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.640 He only has like one he is playing. Even though 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.200 he's not like a total scumbag like he wasn't deep, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.920 he definitely has a similar energy. So it is like 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:38.560 really confusing. And then so he says something like he's like, oh, 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.720 you know, Venom's gonna kill you or he's gonna kill 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:45.160 both of you because they kidnapped Michelle Williams, who's obviously 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.040 not that bothered about it, and she does this line 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.600 reading that is just so iconic because she's like people 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.079 tried it before, and then she just really high pitches 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.559 it and she's like botched it, and you're just like, 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.839 this is unbelievable. Like she is having so much fun. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.600 I just kind of love that, Like I feel like 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.360 Andy sex is. Their action was just like do whatever 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:07.000 you want. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.960 Yeah, do more, do more, and again, this movie is 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.800 super weird, kind of bad, but they take so many 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.719 crazy like listen, the relationship between Brock and Venom is 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:24.920 essentially a codependent romantic relationship. Again, at the end of 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:29.760 the movie, Venom tells Eddie Brock that he loves him 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:35.160 in a very sincere way, and they spend the entire 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:41.079 movie when they are together arguing. They then separate. Venom 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.000 goes on this weird like vision quest where he goes 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:45.920 to a rave. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:52.679 That's kind of coded as a Pride yeates lots of rainbows, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.520 and then he gives a speech about how he's. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:58.560 Coming rainbow lights around his body. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.079 It's it's like, I think that actually, like that the 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.400 one thing that I'm like, they should have just committed 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.199 to that and just made it pride and made it 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.720 obviously they're gay, because everybody knows they're in love with 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.520 each other, like these two codependent, toxic losers in their 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:13.040 own words. 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:13.280 You know. 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.400 That was another bit when he was like, you are 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.440 a loser on your planet, and I was like, oh 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.640 my god, this is like the line that I never 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.440 thought we would hear from again where they just both 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.520 call each other losers and admit to being losers. That 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:27.679 is in the first like five minutes of the movie. 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.520 And he was like, I know what you want. You 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:35.400 want Venom to talk about how he's a Loser's like yeah, yeah. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:39.240 Another Like there's so many crazy moments. So at one 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:45.720 point during the Natural Born Killer's Escapade, Cassidy and Shriek 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:50.160 are driving around and they stop at a gas station 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:56.200 where the clerk is just like surfing the internet like 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.160 on a Dell laptop. Cassidy jumps over the counter, kills 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:04.920 the gas station attendant, and then puts his symbiote fingers 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:13.040 into the US people hacks. Legitimately hacks the laptop to 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:18.320 discover the location of the asylum where a shrink was 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.240 being held, and it like creates a browser. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.760 It creates a red carnage themed browser that somehow from 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.200 a random kid working in a Badega's laptop hacks into 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.560 like top secret police files that the main cop did 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.720 not know about. He didn't even know about them, the 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:37.320 one cop. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:38.120 I mean. 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.480 Also, the other thing is like on a comic book level. 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.559 So Shriek in the comics is a is a symbia, 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.800 she's not. Yes, And we also meet this Patrick Mulligan 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.920 who's played by like legitimately one of the best actors 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.880 in the world, Stephen Graham, and and like he is 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.400 just the funniest like Boston cop kind of trope. And 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.160 he in the comics becomes Toxin. So it's like that 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.360 kind of hot. It was like somebody was trying to 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.439 set up like a planet venom, like multiple symbias. 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:09.400 But then they were just like eh because because because 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:10.160 Shrink is. 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.640 Apparently dead at the end of the movie. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.160 Interesting, So this is this is a perfect bridge to 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:20.640 start talking about the the universe's expanding tagline from the 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:24.000 promo materials, which we all assumed would be We're gonna 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:29.080 get these asexual spawns of carnage and venom. We're gonna 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.080 meet Tocsin, Shreek, et cetera. We're gonna see all the 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:36.480 kind of like mini symbiotes that have in Marvel cannon 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:40.800 spun off from Venom. I think that it's we all 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.960 assume that's what it was gonna be. I certainly did. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.679 And then the mid credits scene comes, and what it 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:50.040 is is an introduction of Venom into the Marvel timeline. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.480 I think we're gonna see Venom in uh No Way Home, 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:58.000 like almost confirmed. Basically, Eddie brock Is is sitting on 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:02.719 the bed in some shitty hotel, upset about his life. 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.040 He and Vanom are wondering what's next, and then all 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.160 of a sudden, everything changes and they're in this tropical 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:13.280 location and Peter Parker is on the television uh as 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:18.839 part of a you know, Daily Bugle editorial comment where 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.520 you know, the Bugle is saying, this guy fucking sucks 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.640 the whole you know, everything that's going on with the 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:24.440 cereal sucks. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.880 I think it's the same thing from the end of 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.720 Far From Home. So I think it actually sets it 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.880 up as being basically they join at that moment, which 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:33.920 is just before No Way Home. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:38.880 Yes, and Venom says that guard because apparently. 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.360 Okay, so I okay, so this is what I think. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:47.720 So in that scene, right, so they Eddie takes Venom 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.120 on like a romantic holiday, because Venom's dream is that 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.000 he can like put his toes in the sand and 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.160 feel the wind in his hair and then that but 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.960 it's like kind of a scrubby like hotel. And then 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.120 but just before it happens, Venom says something that I 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.680 think is one of the most hilarious and probably gonna 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.640 end up. It seems like a throwaway line, but I 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.880 think it's gonna be a really big part of No 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.120 Way Home. Venom says to Eddie they're watching a telenovela 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.880 and Venom's like, everybody has secrets, and Eddie's like, oh, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.280 are you hiding something from me? And then Venom says, 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.160 eighty billion years of the Symbia high mind, you don't 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:24.000 know what we've seen, like you couldn't comprehend it, blah 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:25.720 blah blah. And he says he's going to show it 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.600 to Eddie. But then this weird like universal change happens 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.440 and they end up in the MCU. But I think 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.200 because when he sees him, he sees Peter Parker. He 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.880 licks the screen. It's as gross as it should be, 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.240 and he's like that guy. And when we see in 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.440 the trailer for Noway Home when we saw Doc Cok, 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.120 he also recognized Peter, So I think there's gonna be 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:51.120 some idea of like in the Venom's case, he maybe 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:56.440 he has seen Peter through the Tota Grace is not 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:00.000 coming back, but maybe something like that is gonna happen, 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.880 and it's I think it's like, it's very silly, but 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:04.440 this whole movie is really silly. 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:11.400 I think that's right. So in the comics, eventually we 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.440 get the backstory of the symbiote, who I believe is 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.680 named Clerk and uh because of all the kind of 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:23.560 like bloodlust and trauma and murders that he's committed. Eventually 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.160 he goes back to the Hive Mind where he's like cleansed. 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.080 Maybe we get some kind of version of that that 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:34.600 allows Venom to not be the weird Sodi Venom and 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.400 and kind of like cleanses it of all the strangers 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.920 and makes it more malleable. For the MCU inclusion, I 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:42.680 think that they're. 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.760 Probably gonna just like my feeling is, I couldn't really 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.240 want it was blowing my mind when you first watched 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.040 that movie. You just can't be prepared for it. Even 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:51.760 if you've listened to us talk about it. Now, you 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:52.680 can't really be prepared. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:57.560 EXPERI cannot. You are not ready for how fucking crazy 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.440 this day movie? You just simply are not. 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.800 So you're just not. I saw it like again and 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.160 I still wasn't prepared even though I had already seen it. 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:09.640 So I do think that there's I just think there's 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.960 kind of some I was trying to work out. Kevin 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.119 Faggy is like a king of quality control. Part of 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.359 the reason they're having to explode the MCU into this 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.880 multi verse now is because of how absolutely streamlined it's 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.600 been up until this point, so it doesn't to me. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.639 I was like, what can Faggy and the MCU and 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.840 Disney get out of this by not making it something 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.639 where Tom Holland just randomly has a cameo to make 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.399 Sony happy or whatever and making it where you bring venomin. 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:40.080 I think it's to get the Symbia into the MCU, 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:44.119 because then you can you can venomize other characters, you 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.400 can have anti venom you could actually do a black 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:52.560 Symbia story with Peter or maybe Miles or whatever. And 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.439 I think, really, as much as I would love to 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.879 see how they could fit wild Tom Holland it's just 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.720 it's too wacky. MC Watching that movie, you just realize 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.000 how safe the MCU plays it, you know. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.240 Yeah, I agree with that. I think that it's going 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.520 to be something like that as in the comics a 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:16.400 lot like the movie, the Symbia has a like love 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.320 hate relationship with a lot of its hosts, including Eddie Brock, 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.040 and there's a lot of like leaving and coming back 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.199 and leaving Eddie Brock for Peter Parker, but then rediscovering 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.199 Eddie Brock. And it does that again and again with 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:33.200 different hosts, and there have been more quote unquote normal hosts. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.760 So I think that you're right about that. I think 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.840 that we're going to see the I think we're going 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:42.600 to see the Symbia cleaved off of Eddie at some 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:48.320 point and maybe kept in a laboratory and studied by 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.960 perhaps a scientist named Reid Richards as they figure out 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:55.760 a way to kind of introduce the Symbia into like 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:01.760 the more mainline Marvel canon. That is a lot there's 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:08.120 just stuff that would not work in Marvel Disney constitution, 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.760 for instance, And again there are so many weird moments 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:13.800 of this, But like The movie kind of ends with 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.800 Eddie Brock talking to two chickens in the park that 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.960 are his pets that he bought for Venom to eat, 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:23.560 but Venom didn't want to eat them because their brains 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.280 were too small, and to these and they're best friends. 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:33.840 Talking to two chickens about the classic Spanish novel Don 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:39.320 Quixote and the relationship between Don Quixote and Sancho Panza. 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.840 That's a scene in this is also a recurring theme. 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.240 Like it's like it happens once and then he returns there, 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.120 Like it's that's something they really thought was important enough 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.120 to like put in twice. It's mind blowing. 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:57.480 I think, like so in in Marvel, like, uh, let's 0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:59.480 talk about some of the things that Venom does in 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.639 the comics that we could potentially see in the MCU. 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.280 So Venom, I mean venoms and Guardians in the Galaxy, 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.679 which for a spell which I don't know that people 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:07.800 really know about. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.560 Yeah, I think as well, like they've had so much success, 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.280 Like they did a big venomized event where everyone got venomized. 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.000 You know, they had a venomized t Rex in Old 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.679 Man Logan, they had venomized rocket and group. They had 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.480 venomized everyone, and those toys still sell to this day. 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:29.440 My nephew has a venomized Miles Morales. They still keep 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.800 venomizing these characters, seeing what would happen when a character, 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.200 So if they wanted to do a kind of darker 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.320 take on something, you know, we've seen them do Marvel 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.679 Zombies a version of it, and what if I wouldn't 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.080 be surprised if we saw some kind of venomized thing 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.080 or saw an unexpected character like Gwen Poole or something 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.280 be introduced in a venomized way with I think that 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.560 they must be really and also they love military stuff. 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.000 I know that one of the Venom the kind of 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:56.440 like later stage. 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:01.800 Agent Agent Agent Agent Venom. The was a vet, right, yeah, 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.760 he was a vet. It was like a paralyzed vet. 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.320 And then the magical the Venom is like a magical 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:11.080 disability cure. Is very not good to me. But that 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:14.879 definitely does seem like something they love. A militarized superhero 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.200 that could be an interesting way. Also would be very 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.240 easy for the Symbia to get into the hands of 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:23.560 the military and the MCU. So also that space is 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:25.680 a big thing right now, not just in what if 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:27.920 but with the scrolls and everything else, so we could 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:31.679 even there could even be something where the tom Hardy 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:34.520 venom coming into the MCU is not necessarily a fake out, 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:36.200 but is a bit of a red herring for where 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:40.080 the real symbia might come from with all the space exploration. 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.679 Actually, you know now that you mention it. It was 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:49.480 recently revealed that the Symbio and Gore, the God Butcher 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:51.680 like share a common ancestry. 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:53.720 That makes a lot of sense when you think about 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:54.399 Gore's powers. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:22:00.199 Actually, yeah, so I could see the symbia being a 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:04.560 bridge to love and thunder in some form or fashion 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:08.320 to get us prepared for the God Butcher. 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.919 Also as well, like if you were going to trust 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.119 one person and one tone in the MCU to bridge 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:15.719 those it would be tiger like. 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:19.639 It would tid. 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.320 Humor and the cheekiness, but also with the ability to 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:25.359 tell like slick human character based stories that you would 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.720 probably need to kind of take venom from the venom. 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.600 Let there be carnage to a venom that's acceptable in 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:32.280 the MCU. 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.120 Do you have any venom rex for people who are 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:37.800 like I gotta know about venom? 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.040 Well, I think the number one thing you need to 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.280