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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Rick Shapiro is with us, a former practicing attorney, leading consultant, researcher,

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Speaker 1: and educator in the field of safe, evidence based, integrative

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Speaker 1: and alternative cancer treatments, and the author of Hope Never Dies,

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Speaker 1: How twenty late stage and terminal cancer patients beat the odds.

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Speaker 1: Before the break, Ricky, we're telling us about various alternative treatments,

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Speaker 1: including supplements and nutrition. Give us a couple of others,

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Speaker 1: and then I want to dive into some of the

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Speaker 1: case studies in the book. Absolutely well. As we mentioned,

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Speaker 1: nutritional protocols, supplementation programs are critical tailored to the individual. Additionally,

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Speaker 1: mind body strategies which is a little bit different than attitude,

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Speaker 1: and mind bodies really important and mind body can mean

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Speaker 1: lots of things to different people. It helps reduce stress,

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Speaker 1: reduces anxiety, fear, and depression. It can be related to meditation, music, prayer, humor,

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Speaker 1: rest relaxation techniques. But mind body is important and exercise.

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Speaker 1: Exercise is a very important approach which anybody can really use,

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Speaker 1: and it helps to reduce the decline of muscle mass.

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Speaker 1: It helps bring oxygen rich blood to the tissues. It

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Speaker 1: reduces fatigue, it reduces nausea, it helps people sleep better.

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Speaker 1: So exercise regimens, mind body strategies, tailored supplementation programs, and

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Speaker 1: also the nutritional oncological programs. And there's a ton of

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Speaker 1: research out there, a ton of research, epidemiological studies, case studies,

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Speaker 1: case reports, clinical research that attests to the fact, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not sorry about saying the fact that these particular

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Speaker 1: approaches Richard can be profoundly beneficial, integratively with a standard

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Speaker 1: of care program or alternatively in some cases to save

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Speaker 1: lives and extend lives. And just in brief, what did

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Speaker 1: at least, what do these things do? They enhance the

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Speaker 1: immune system, They mitigate internal inflammation, and inflammation is a

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Speaker 1: cancer driver. They help regulate something called apoptosis, and apoptosis

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Speaker 1: is a concept known as program cell death. And what

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Speaker 1: that really means is making sure cancer cells die when

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Speaker 1: they're supposed to so they don't live and grow and grow.

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Speaker 1: These things also inhibit something called angiogenesis, and angiogenesis is

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Speaker 1: the process where blood cells feed cancer and bring it fuel.

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Speaker 1: So we want to mitigate the growth of these blood

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Speaker 1: blood vessels to cancer. It helps detox the body regulates

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Speaker 1: blood glucose because cancer is a glutton for glucose sugar.

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Speaker 1: We want to regulate those things so it's in the

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Speaker 1: normal range, not in a high accelerated range. And it

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Speaker 1: brings about all kinds. It brings about epigenetic changes, which

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Speaker 1: means it upregulates the expression of tumor suppressor genes, genes

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Speaker 1: that attack cancer, and it down regulates oncogenes and these

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Speaker 1: are genes that promote cancer. Just a quick moment on

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Speaker 1: that everybody has a set of genes that they're born with.

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Speaker 1: Can't change your genes, but you can influence and there

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Speaker 1: are studies that prove this. You can influence whether those

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Speaker 1: genes are turned on or turned off. And a lot

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Speaker 1: of these alternative complementary therapies can bring about those changes.

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Speaker 1: And there are lots of studies that attest to these facts.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, you you dive deep into the research,

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Speaker 1: but there is also I'm guessing you've you've stumbled onto

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Speaker 1: a lot of quackery out there that we have to

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Speaker 1: be cautious about. I mean, how do you separate the

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Speaker 1: wheat from the chaff? Because we hear things like you know,

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Speaker 1: and so forth. We hear this practically every month, there's

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Speaker 1: some different new treatment. How do you separate the quackery

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Speaker 1: from efficacious alternative cancer treatments. That's a great question, because

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Speaker 1: I detest people who are Charlatans, who are quacks, who

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Speaker 1: take advantage of the vulnerable with so called therapies and

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Speaker 1: treatments that are going to be helpful. And when you

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Speaker 1: are told you have answer, you'll do just about anything

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Speaker 1: doesn't work. But if you also research the studies. There's

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Speaker 1: a website called PubMed dot gov PubMed dot gov which

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Speaker 1: has twenty seven million studies. It's under the supervision of

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Speaker 1: the National Institute of Health. I don't expect people to

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Speaker 1: go there and do lots of research. But anytime anyone

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Speaker 1: particular herb, one particular botanical, one particular device, ninety nine

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Speaker 1: approaches don't work. It requires a multifaceted systemic approach with

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Speaker 1: and even something called progressive chemo which we can talk about,

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Speaker 1: in certain respects, but it takes research. There's no one

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Speaker 1: for cancer, have something that's going to be helpful. But

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Speaker 1: twenty case studies of patients who have been told either

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Speaker 1: In some cases they've been told go home, get your

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Speaker 1: affairs in order, there's nothing more to be done. Tell

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Speaker 1: us about Elizabeth, Sure, okay, you're talking about I think

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Panky. Yes, okay, let me just see if I

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Pankey. Elizabeth Pankey had ovarian and you in cancer

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Speaker 1: It's Unfortunately, great, big monolithic industrial complexes move glacially slowly,

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