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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 3: What is up Straight Fire? It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight

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Speaker 3: Fire for Thursday, January twenty fifth. Big Thursday, Ladies and gentlemen. Ah,

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Speaker 3: not just because Jim Harbaugh is now the coach of

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Speaker 3: the Jajas. How exciting is that the Chargers finally finally

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Speaker 3: get Justin Herbert a coach. Good things lie ahead. We'll

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Speaker 3: dig into that shortly. We have a great guest in

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Speaker 3: today's podcast giving the Milwaukee Bucks Shenanigans the NBA trade

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Speaker 3: deadline two weeks away. Thought we'd just chop it up

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Speaker 3: with Jake Fisher Yahoo Sports on what he's hearing players, coaches,

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Speaker 3: Lebron Darvin Ham. He's got some hot takes. Some of

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Speaker 3: it's more informed as he's working the phones all the time.

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Speaker 3: Jake Fisher, good, good stuff. I think you'll enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: But first, before we get to that, obviously, the big

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Speaker 3: news is Jim Harball going to the Chargers. Slightly lesser news,

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Speaker 3: you know, coming in right just underneath. The Gray Foxes

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Speaker 3: will attempt to defend their title. The banner, Yes, the

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Speaker 3: banner goes up tonight in the gym.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe they're hanging a banner.

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I'm not gonna bore you with as

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Speaker 3: many updates this season on the Foxes. You know, the

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Speaker 3: elevator version is our best player. The MVP of the

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Speaker 3: league decided to try to take a charge about a

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Speaker 3: week ago and he fell backwards and he planted his

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Speaker 3: hand or planted his hand, and it like another guy's

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Speaker 3: knee banged into it. YadA, YadA, YadA. His elbow ligaments

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Speaker 3: are busted. He's out for twelve weeks.

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Speaker 2: The MVP of the league.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if this would be like losing Lebron

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Speaker 3: or Shack or whatever you want to say, but bottom

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Speaker 3: line is it's gonna be it's gonna be a tough

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Speaker 3: season for us. And compounding matters, you remember how we

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Speaker 3: smacked Mosgov twice by I think twenty five plus maybe

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Speaker 3: thirty plus both times. Well, Mosgow decided to go out

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Speaker 3: and get a bunch of ringers. And he's got three

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Speaker 3: guys who played in the G League, one or two

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Speaker 3: of them were in the Drew League. And he's got

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Speaker 3: some like guys who played like Division three, and there's

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Speaker 2: Under thirty year old dudes who are a.

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Speaker 3: Crazy athletic, and I'm not gonna lie. I saw the

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Speaker 3: roster and I was like, come on, they're gonna waltz

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Speaker 3: to the title. It's not gonna be competitive. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: everybody else and ed up like big time. Every other

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Speaker 3: team went out and just recruited guys. Now it's like

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Speaker 3: one hundred bucks if you belong to the club, two

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Speaker 3: hundred if you don't. And so as such, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: what's two hundred dollars? So a bunch of local, good,

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Speaker 3: good athletes have joined this league, and all of a

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Speaker 3: sudden we went from winning the title, winning every game

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Speaker 3: to it's gonna be a struggle. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: to make the playoffs. I don't want to get too negative,

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Speaker 3: but it's gonna be real tough without your best player.

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Speaker 3: So we have a replacemfore, I mean guy who played

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Speaker 3: with us before solid player did not play college. I

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Speaker 3: don't maybe D three, I don't know, but he's a good, good,

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Speaker 2: And you know we will.

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Speaker 3: We will effort recruitment efforts for the summer and take

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Speaker 3: back the title. I will not lie to you. I've

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Speaker 3: already reached out to a former NBA player, and I

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Speaker 3: have a confirmation from him.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, your boy's coming back.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go around and let everybody else recruit

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Speaker 3: So we have one guy committed and look at it

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Speaker 3: another one, but that's that's for later down the road.

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Speaker 2: So Jim Harball.

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Speaker 3: The good news is the Charger's got Jim Harball and

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Speaker 3: everybody out here is excited. The bad news is Jim

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Speaker 3: Harbaugh has to look at the roster and make some really,

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Speaker 3: really tough decisions. They don't have a GM in place yet.

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Speaker 3: The former GM t LESCo just took the Raiders job.

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Speaker 3: But I'm gonna rattle off for you impact players on

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Speaker 3: the Chargers who are free agents. Michael Davies starting quarterback.

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Speaker 3: He's not very good, but he was a starter. Austin

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Speaker 3: a good year. He's a polarizing player. Jalen Giton, who's

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Speaker 3: an okay, receiver center Will Clapp, who I mean, it

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Speaker 3: didn't go well this season. They were he was replacing

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Speaker 3: Corey Linsley. It sounds like Corey Lindsley's gonna end up retiring.

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Speaker 3: Josh Kelly, the backup running back who I like, and

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Speaker 3: that's a lot of guys to replace. And oh, by

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Speaker 3: the way, Mike Williams got to make a decision on him.

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Speaker 3: just want to move on from him? He's very expensive,

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Speaker 3: and he's always hurt. Keenan Allen, you probably got to

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Speaker 3: keep him. Bosa always hurt, Khalil Mack kinda sorta always hurt. Well, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, not always hurt, getting older, productive, But it's like,

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Speaker 3: what do you we want to pay him? And if

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Speaker 3: I think you look at the highest paid players like

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Speaker 3: the Chargers have for the top thirteen, that can't change,

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Speaker 3: can't continue with Herbert coming back, This is not going

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Speaker 3: to be easy for Jim Marble. Yes you have Herbert,

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Speaker 3: the Daniel Jeremiah podcast two weeks ago, he said, I mean,

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Speaker 3: he hinted strongly roma dounaze would not get past the Chargers,

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Speaker 3: and listen, Jeremiah calls Chargers game. Do with that information,

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Speaker 3: which you will, and he has worked in front offices

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Speaker 3: and talks to more people than pretty much anybody. So

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Speaker 3: a Dounazay the Washington receiver basically right there behind Marvin

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Speaker 3: that would be a huge get for Justin Herbert. But

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Speaker 3: Jim Harball obviously has to do major damage in this draft.

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Speaker 3: And you play in a division with Patrick Mahomes and

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Speaker 3: Andy Reid the Raiders. You know, Antonio Pierce turned things around.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that was just that backup coach

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Speaker 3: and you know, Sean Payton's not going to rest on

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Speaker 3: his laurels. Sounds like he's going to try to move

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Speaker 3: on from Russell Wilson. I don't know what his plan

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Speaker 2: The AFC is brutal. Would not shock me if the

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Speaker 2: Chargers if the offseason was a little rocky and had

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Speaker 2: some tough decisions and they missed the playoffs. But I

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Speaker 2: do think long term, this is a massive win for

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Speaker 2: the Chargers. Let's see who they get a GM, Let's

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Speaker 2: see what they do in the draft. Obviously you could

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Speaker 2: trade down from five, try to collect more picks, but

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Speaker 2: up for the LA Chargers. Now, I will say it

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Speaker 2: is a little strange seeing all the consternation from college

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Speaker 3: College football needs a commissioner. We've got expansion with the S,

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Speaker 3: the playoff expanding, We've got the SEC adding Texas and

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Speaker 3: the Big Ten adding USC and a lot of movement,

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Speaker 3: a lot of change. I think it was Danny Kanell

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Speaker 3: who put it out, but like college football, better get

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Speaker 3: azact together before we lose a lot more great coaches.

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Speaker 3: And I don't want anybody in college football, you know,

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Speaker 3: whether wherever you are, whether you're at Texas or Ohio State,

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Speaker 3: It's a year in advance, but nevertheless, these are potential

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Speaker 3: NFL openings in January of twenty twenty five. Let's start

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Speaker 3: with Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys. I don't care

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Speaker 3: what you say. That's a really good opening. That's a

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Speaker 3: very good team. They've won twelve games three years in

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Speaker 3: a row. They're probably going to be on track to

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Speaker 3: win twelve more. Okay, the Jags and Trevor Lawrence. Doug

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Speaker 3: Peterson went way down. Jags on the uptick, Colts on

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Speaker 3: the uptick. If the Jags missed the playoffs again, do

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Speaker 3: you move on from Peterson? I don't know, but you

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Speaker 3: have Trevor Lawrence. That's a great job.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Dabo Sweeney, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints a lot of changes. They kept Dennis Allen.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that that's a great job, but it's

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Speaker 3: a great location for someone in the Deep South. Wan

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Speaker 3: somebody in the SEC like to step up. The New

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Speaker 3: York Jets could be looking for a new coach. The

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Speaker 3: Let's see what happens with Eberflus and the Bears. Is

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Speaker 3: it an attractive job. If Kayleb Williams has a good

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Speaker 3: year but nobody likes Eberflus, Yeah, you want to go

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Speaker 3: coach Kaleb Williams and win a bunch of games and

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Speaker 3: coach in an awesome city in Chicago. I'm sure a

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Speaker 2: Coaches would love that gig.

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Speaker 3: You look at the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen, I

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Speaker 3: don't are they gonna regress further? Like, but coaching Josh

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers job. Tomlin's got one year left on his deal.

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Speaker 3: If he doesn't restructure, does Tomlin walk away? And finally

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Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles, who now two years in a row

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Speaker 3: have replaced their OC and their DC, and Nick Sirianni

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Speaker 3: is like, bro, you're on the clock, and oh, by

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Speaker 3: the way, you get to coach Jalen Hurts. So you know,

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Speaker 3: with good quarterbacks, man, I just right there rattled off

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Speaker 3: he's gonna want to transfer. And if you don't play

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Speaker 3: is a tough job. Not a lot of structure in

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Speaker 3: the sport. A lot of moving pieces. Coaching openings were

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Speaker 3: the Atlanta Falcons have interviewed fourteen.

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Speaker 2: People for the head coaching job. Fourteen.

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Speaker 3: That's insane, fourteen people. And Carolina Panthers are gonna interview

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Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel. All quiet on the Seattle front. What's happening there?

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Speaker 1: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want, but for everything he doesn't.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's welcome into straight fire on a big

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Speaker 3: He's been around the block. He's got a book out

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Speaker 3: built to lose how the NBA's tanking era changed the

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Speaker 3: league forever. Senior NBA writer at Yahoo, Jake, how are.

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Speaker 1: You, man? I'm hanging in man, How are you? Thanks

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine this is a busy time for you,

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Speaker 1: Something like that, two weeks from tomorrow or recording this Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: So listen, here's the weird thing about the Bucks firing

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Speaker 1: So that you move forward to the change of the coach.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a really good point on Allen.

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Speaker 3: He's driving, I mean, listen, not hard to throw you

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Speaker 3: I guess what's interesting on this is the Doc Rivers

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that the Bucks brought in Doc Rivers

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Speaker 1: It's a very Game of Thrones type storyline that I

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Speaker 1: Let's just call it. That's a funny thing with Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: I think there's not necessarily like blame to be cast

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Let me ask you, if you're a Lakers fan

431
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Speaker 3: and you see that the Bucks, who at thirty and

432
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Speaker 3: thirteen fired their.

433
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Speaker 2: Coach, Oh, well, why won't we fire Darvin Ham?

434
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Speaker 3: Do you think the Lakers are viewing this through maybe

435
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 3: a different prism today? Now that the Bucks can make

436
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 3: a move on a coach, why can't the Lakers.

437
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Speaker 1: It's a great question, especially being that Darvin Ham's last

438
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: stop before this was obviously Milwaukee and the connector. Yeah,

439
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: are there. I've been given like pretty strong indications that

440
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: that's not something that's going to happen now. But I

441
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: do think that the way the season's going at this

442
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Speaker 1: point in time, I presently am not expecting Darbnham to

443
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Speaker 1: be the head coach of the Lakers starting the twenty

444
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Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty five season. Oh and I think

445
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: that was also the case last year before they went

446
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: on a nine and three run and made their way

447
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: all the way to the Western Conference Finals. It's the

448
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: one thing that's also to be considered. You know, the

449
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: Bucks are now paying three head coaches now that they

450
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: fied Mike Boodthholzer. They're still paying Adrian Griffin, and they're

451
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 1: now paying Doc Rivers the Lakers. It gets brought up

452
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: every now and then. The Lakers aren't one of these

453
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: ownership groups, the Bus family that's deep pocketed from like

454
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: tech money that they decided to buy a franchise to

455
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Speaker 1: be a plaything. The Lakers don't traditionally pay their head

456
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: coaches top billing money. I don't necessarily think. I mean,

457
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Speaker 1: I know, Darvin Ham's deal is far below the ten

458
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Speaker 1: twelve million dollar fakers that are starting to throw around.

459
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Speaker 1: I know, don't know the exact number, but it ain't

460
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Speaker 1: close to that. So it'd be an easier pill to

461
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Speaker 1: swallow than paying Mike Boodenholzer like thirty million dollars to

462
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: not coach you. But I don't necessarily think LA is

463
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Speaker 1: so keen on paying Darvin Ham to not be coaching

464
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Speaker 1: that their team this season when he's someone that they

465
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Speaker 1: believed in along a little while ago, and like Rob

466
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Polink already fired one head coach. As the saying goes,

467
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: like a front office doesn't exactly get many more chances

468
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: than two coaches, like sometimes you get three, but at

469
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: a certain point the finger ends up being pointed back

470
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Speaker 1: on you too.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point. So let me go to the

472
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Speaker 3: Lakers now with regarding players. I listen, man, I've read

473
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Speaker 3: all the stuff about Dejeana Murray. You've been doing this

474
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: long enough, Jake.

475
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Speaker 2: You know this.

476
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 3: Anytime there's a lot of smoke, it usually doesn't happen.

477
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Speaker 3: Take to Terry Roseier thing. I didn't see anybody saying

478
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Speaker 3: Terry Roseer to the Miami Heat.

479
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Speaker 1: I wrote that five days before it came out. You

480
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Speaker 1: got you got really? Man? Yeah?

481
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well they gotta they gotta put that in

482
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Speaker 3: the headline. Yeah, day, come on. They hope they're not

483
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 3: burying that like the twentieth paragraph, like we.

484
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Speaker 1: Did sneak that in under a Pascal siakam reporting.

485
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Speaker 3: So yeah, so there was a right, so a lot

486
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 3: of reporting and not as much and then Rosier quietly

487
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 3: slides in. So now all we're hearing is to Jean

488
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Speaker 3: to Marie, how about this, Jake? Last year, did any

489
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 3: nobody have Hachi Moura and the Lakers right before it happened?

490
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: I don't recall that.

491
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it feels like there's too much Dejanta Maurice smoke.

492
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: How should we read the t leaves there?

493
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Speaker 1: You are right that a lot of the packages that

494
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: come out in the media are deals that have been

495
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,239
Speaker 1: discussed and therefore rejected, and then we hear about it,

496
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, or like this team needs a third team

497
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: to get involved because they don't want to take back

498
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: the salary that Team A wants to give them, So

499
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Speaker 1: the Lakers stuff with Dejonta. You know, I do have

500
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: it confirmed that that twenty twenty nine pick and the

501
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: pick swap excuse me, which I think is in twenty

502
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: twenty seven, excuse me, and D'Angel Russell, like that is

503
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: definitely the package that the Lakers would like to put

504
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: on the table to get de Jonte Mary. Now, it's

505
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: that's not enough for what Atlanta wants at this juncture.

506
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: Atlanta is hoping for two first round picks and a

507
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Speaker 1: starting caliber player, and I don't think that starting caliber player.

508
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: They want another point guard being at they've got very young,

509
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: and they're looking to move to john Tay Murray because

510
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: the pairing of the Jontay Murray injury didn't.

511
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 2: Work out so well, they want reefs, right.

512
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: They would love to have reefs, and that the Lakers

513
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: are not doing that. No, absolutely, not, no way. But

514
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to find a team that's so

515
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: eager with giving Atlanta that price point back. There could

516
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Speaker 1: there could be a chance come February eighth that two

517
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: thirty Eastern time d low and a first and a

518
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Speaker 1: pick swap is the best thing that's on the table

519
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: for Atlanta and they and they might have to come

520
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: back and call the Lakers okay as possible.

521
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Speaker 3: So would the Lakers still have ammo in Hachimura? And

522
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: is there another pick they have or no?

523
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Speaker 1: Right now they can only trade that twenty twenty nine

524
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Speaker 1: first in a swap. I don't know if they have

525
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: another swap past that, but they can only trade that

526
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine first. That's the only actual pick that

527
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: they can move come draft night, they could trade two

528
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: more first So there's a there's an argument to be

529
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Speaker 1: made for the Lakers too to hold onto this pick

530
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: now and on the count's at twenty four to twenty five,

531
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: they could put three first on the table and see

532
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: what really they could get at that point.

533
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So let me ask you de Jenta, Maurrie. You know,

534
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 3: we saw him in the Spurs on some bad teams.

535
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: Maybe he was at best the second best player. He's

536
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 3: now on a Hawks team that's flailing. Who do you

537
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: think is a better fit as like the number three

538
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: or four guy on the Lakers, Dejent, de Marie or

539
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: Zach Lavie.

540
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Speaker 1: I think as currently constructed, it would be Degente just.

541
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Speaker 2: Because really how sad, just.

542
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: Because perimeter defense and point of attack defense is something

543
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: that is a clear weakness there. And Dejonte, for all

544
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: the foibles that he's had on that side of the

545
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: floor in Atlanta, just being that they're not exactly a

546
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: winning situation, sounds like he'd be super energized to play there.

547
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: And he like led the league and steels one year

548
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: in San Antonio. He's long and ranging and switchable. Like

549
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: one of the biggest issues in LA is the fact

550
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: that you can't really play Austin Reeves and d'anvillo Russell

551
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: together on the floor, even though they're both making pretty

552
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: significant money. And if you bring into Jonte Murray, he

553
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: does allow you to play those two guard lineups with

554
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: much more creative ability. Outside of just Lebron. It takes

555
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: the ball of the bronze hands, pounding and pounding and

556
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: pounding every single play. Zach Lavine. That's the biggest I

557
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: think the merit from rival executives behind his contract and

558
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: then his injury history, it's the fact that he hasn't

559
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: proven to be a winning player. To your point, de

560
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: Jontay hasn't assid done that either, but he hasn't proven

561
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: to be a winning player on the defensive side of

562
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: the ball in particular, and that's definitely a cause for

563
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: concern for LA in addition to the contract.

564
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 3: All Right, bigger concern for you on the Lakers offense

565
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 3: where they are tied for twenty first and OFFENSI efficiency

566
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: or defense where they are it looks like they're thirteenth. Yeah,

567
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: thirteenth in defense. I mean I asked that as a

568
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: loaded question because I think Lavine fits like a glove

569
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: as like the number three or four option. If you

570
00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: put together, say, Austin Reeves, Zach Levine, Reddish lebron and

571
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis, isn't that a long You know, you got

572
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: Reeves as the top defender, you got Reddish guarding or

573
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: the second defender, yep, and you've got the offense in

574
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: Reeves and Levine just splash around Lebron or a d

575
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: who posts up. I just feel like, what am I missing?

576
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: What am I missing with that lineup? Other than Levine's

577
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: massive contract.

578
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think come playoff time, it's gonna be

579
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: really hard for that group to contain James Harden and

580
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard and Paul George and then Jamal Murray and

581
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: Nicole Jokich in the pick and roll and you go

582
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: to Minnesota with Anthony Edwards and you just keep going

583
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: down the list. You know, Luka Doncic, the three headed

584
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: monster in Phoenix. To me, that's been I mean, that

585
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: was the big challenge. That's been the big challenge with

586
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: this Lakers. It's finding a lineup that has that offensive

587
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: five prior that can still sustain things on the other side.

588
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: You know, you had the numbers, so yeah, I just

589
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: think when you think about it from a postseason standpoint,

590
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: and that's what the Lake his goal is, of course,

591
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: like they want to win a title with Lebron before

592
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: he's forty, Like that's kind of the the end all

593
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: be all there, and I think a lot of that

594
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: also is about like easing his burden. You don't want

595
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: Lebron having to be throwing his body at Kawhi and

596
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: all these dudes play after play basis.

597
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: I just listen. I obviously you know, I coach my

598
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: kids in sports, and I'm defense. Defense, we get stops,

599
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: we will not we won't lose. I just I just

600
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: know in the NBA right now, the offense is so

601
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: friggin good, so good. I mean, Jake like, it's so good.

602
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you add an offensive guy and just say,

603
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: you know what, Hey, nobody's stopping I mean, Miami had

604
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: a really good defense. They're not sniffing stopping yo, Kitchen Marie. Yeah,

605
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: even if we get Murray, I don't know the we're

606
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: stopping it. So why don't we just get the better

607
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: offensive player Levine over Murray.

608
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think if you're if you are that convinced

609
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: about it, then the big reason why they're not doing

610
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: it is definitely the contract. And I mean he's he's

611
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: out again. It's combinate contract and the injury history. He

612
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: hasn't given teams the confidence that he's going to be

613
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: as reliable enough as forty million dollars salary should be

614
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: getting you. And that's the biggest challenge. It's it's it's

615
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: not regardless of what you think about I mean, like

616
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone with Dallas a few weeks

617
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: ago about it with if you recall before the Mavericks

618
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: traded for Kyrie last season, they were probably the Mavericks

619
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: that I believe before they traded for Kyrie, they were

620
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: the number one team who wanted to go out and

621
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: get zach Lavine and they were excited for the opportunity

622
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: for him to guard better. You know, he'd shown some

623
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: flashes for team. He was saying in the Tokyo Olympics

624
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: that he was willing to lock in in a winning situation.

625
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: But like even Dallas now they're like someone that was saying,

626
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: and we have Kyrie, so that's not a thing now.

627
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: But seeesh, if like we didn't get Kai, we were

628
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: still looking at things. The fact that he's not a

629
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: reliable player on the defense or from an injury standpoint

630
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: has been like I think, such a red flag for

631
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: a lot of teams. He's been out for two long

632
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: stretches so far this year.

633
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do try to wonder, like we saw Andrew Wiggins. Oh,

634
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: he's not a number one he's a waste, a bust

635
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: of a number one pick, and blah blah blah. He

636
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: goes to Golden State, he slides down the pecking order.

637
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: Hey man be our third or fourth option, and he

638
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: thrives in Golden State, helps some winner title. I just

639
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: I wonder if Lavigne without the pressure to be the

640
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: number one.

641
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: Guy, if that would work.

642
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: What's the latest on the Donovan Mitchell situation in Cleveland?

643
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: I know they're running hot now, but in the back

644
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: of Cleveland's front office they have to be saying, damn oh,

645
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: is he gonna sign with us long term? What do

646
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: we try to trade him before he says no to us?

647
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: Like we have the leverage until he says I don't

648
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: want to be here anymore. What do you think happens

649
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: with Donovan Mitchell?

650
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: And still early, Well, Cleveland's one of the hottest teams

651
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: in the league. They've won seven eighth straight games now,

652
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: and it's interesting the injuries to Darius Carlin and Evan Moibly.

653
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: A lot of people at first Blush thought, Okay, the

654
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: Cavs are sinking, it's time to trade Donovan. And I

655
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: remember talking to someone who had work with the ass

656
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: back in the peak of Donovan, Rudy Gobert kind of

657
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: running the Western Conference in the regular season, and this

658
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: guy said to me, I think the Calves might be better.

659
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: Like it's a simple if it's gonna be a simplified situation,

660
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna give Donovan a high pick and roll lob

661
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: threat with shooters around him, and they're just gonna go.

662
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: And that's been the case, Like they're the best offense

663
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: in the league. The last little stretch, Donovan's been unbelievable.

664
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: And the Calves, you know, no matter what flirtations are

665
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: out there and all the gossip and the you know,

666
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: murmurings that he's gonna want to go to New York,

667
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: the Calves made this deal. They gave up a ton

668
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: of draft capital to get him, and they really do

669
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: think they've got as good as shot as any team.

670
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: They make noise in the East to the point where

671
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: it'll condence him to stay long term. That's still their goal.

672
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: So whether you're the Knicks or any other team, you know,

673
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: Miami has always been a team linked for him. You know,

674
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: I know, Houston has the idea that they'll be able

675
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: to get into the you know equation for any type

676
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: of player when they become available, you just go down

677
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: the list. Like those teams all are wishful thinking. Right now,

678
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: the Calves have no design or any real thought about

679
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: parting with Donovan too soon. Maybe this summer of things

680
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: fall short. I think that's a real possibility that we

681
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: have this conversation in earnest. But right now the Calves

682
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: are kind of saying no to anyone who's calling too early.

683
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: All right, give me the craziest thing you've heard regarding trades.

684
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: I don't care how wacky it is, but you haven't

685
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: printed it yet, maybe because you were like, there's just

686
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 3: no way, whether it's something with the Phoenix making a move,

687
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: whether it's a Sixers adding somebody, the New York Knicks,

688
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: Karl Anthony Town's getting shipped out of Minnesota even though

689
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: they're thriving because he's I don't know. I don't know

690
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 3: what's going on with Karl anton Towns. Anything totally wacky

691
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 3: on a good player that would be like, oh, well,

692
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 3: that's fascinating.

693
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm keeping my eye on Orlando going out and

694
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: acquiring like a major salary point guard. That's just there's

695
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: been too many I haven't had anything like pinned down confirm,

696
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: Like I've heard offers and these guys they're targeting, but

697
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: nothing that's actually been solidified. But there's just been too

698
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: much smoke about this team that started off hot. They

699
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: were like the two seed in the East for a

700
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: little while. Now they felt the threast standings. There was

701
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: definite expectations of this team taking a big step forward

702
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: this year, and they really are more of like a

703
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: five hundred team than a five eighty team that's competing

704
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 1: for the six seed. If they're just in that eight

705
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: to ten range, then I think there is a lot

706
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: of potential opportunity for the Magic to take a splurge.

707
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: And they've got a lot of expiring contracts and guys

708
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: who have non guaranteed money on their books to put

709
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: together some salary to go out and get somebody, like

710
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: if they came out with the Jeante Murray or that

711
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: they moved for Kyle Lowry. Like I just remember even

712
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: in the Damian Lillard stuff back right before he got

713
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: traded in like the final days when it was clear

714
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to Miami, like someone in his camp

715
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: was saying to me, Oh, I hope Orlando doesn't come

716
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: into the mix and get him and like what and

717
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: like I just heard them connected to other point guard names.

718
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: And that's not saying that Orlando would trade for dam now,

719
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: it's just to keep connecting data points. Yeah, there's a

720
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: lot of smoke about the Magic going out and getting

721
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: like a real veteran point guard.

722
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: I but what doesn't that just stunt the growth of Suggs,

723
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 3: who I think is playing pretty well. I don't think

724
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 3: he's playing like today what they thought he would be.

725
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 3: And then the young kid Black is playing really strong.

726
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the idea is that Suggs is more

727
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: of a secondary guard, defensive type, and could you get

728
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: someone who could really like organize an offense and be

729
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: a force like a table setter in a floor general.

730
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: With Anthony Black, there's I mean, he's really good and

731
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: sees the floor. He's just not ready to really be

732
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: a winning player this league. You can't shoot, and they're

733
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: they're very optimistic about him. I mean I took him

734
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: number six overall for a reason.

735
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

736
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: I think like clearly more of a project type of

737
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: player than someone you can drop in and back to

738
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: be a playoff caliber player right now.

739
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: So Suggs projects, I guess as like more of a

740
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: KCP defense in threes as opposed to Jamal Murray.

741
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: I'd say he's more of a Derek White Marcus Smart

742
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: than a Drew Holliday, if that makes sense. Like, he's

743
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: definitely more of a combo guard, does the little things

744
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: hustle guy? Yeah, especially like not than a Jamal Murray

745
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: or you know someone who's running pick and roll at

746
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: or pick and roll. Like, he's definitely more of a

747
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: past who can handle the ball, be a secondary ball handler.

748
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's I don't see a world

749
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: where Jalen Suggs is running fifteen pick and rolls with

750
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: whoever the center long term becomes in Orlando, whether it's.

751
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: Got yeah, uh.

752
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: And then I guess finally, the Sixers A lot of

753
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 3: people and listen, this feels like a yearly thing, Jake.

754
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: A lot of people love Philadelphia.

755
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: Oh, Joel le me, he's the best player in the league. Okay,

756
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 3: is the FVP?

757
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: Okay?

758
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: Can they make the freaking conference finals before we hype

759
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: him anymore?

760
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: Every year?

761
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: It's something now I think we both well, I think

762
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: we both would agree Boston's the cream of the crop

763
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 3: in the East and if Philly finishes two or three,

764
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 3: they'll be facing the Bucks in the semifinals. Likely, we

765
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: can never count out Miami, but is just the year

766
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 3: Philly breaks through. Do they make a move here in

767
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: the next two weeks. Does Darryl Mory get just too

768
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: trigger happy, He's got to do something.

769
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: I think they will make a move, but I'm not

770
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: expecting it necessarily to be de Jon Tay Mary, Bruce Brown,

771
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: go out and get like a real number three type

772
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: player right now. They have been talking behind the scenes

773
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: so much about maintaining their cap flexibility this summer. Think

774
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: they're going to be the only real contender that has

775
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,479
Speaker 1: real cap space on the open market to either play

776
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: with via trade or go out and get somebody. I

777
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: think they're confident that they'll be able to get someone

778
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: such as Kyle Lowry on the on the buyout market.

779
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: I've heard they like Gordon Hayward on the buyout market,

780
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: and they're one of the few contending teams right now

781
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: with the new CBA. If you're a luxury tax team

782
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: at the moment, you were not eligible to sign someone

783
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: on the buyout market whose previous salary was above the

784
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: mid level exception at twelve million dollars, so Nick, Boston, Milwaukee,

785
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: the Clippers, like, none of those teams can do that.

786
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: That's a real advantage that the Sixers have being that

787
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: if one of those guys, that multiple of those guys

788
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: get get waived, they're going to be able to be

789
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: at the front of the line and probably offer one

790
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: of the best opportunities for a biot guy to compete

791
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: for a title, because like Golden State can't do that either.

792
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: So there's a as a real competitive advantage I think

793
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: that the Sixers have in that regard.

794
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: Last theory on Philadelphia and feel free to laugh. So

795
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: the Joel embiid Nick stuff is well versed. It's been

796
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: out there for a while. The Sixers are holding are

797
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: not going to make a big move at the deadline

798
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: because if they do and then lose in the playoffs

799
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: before getting to the conference finals. With the finals, Joel

800
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: and Bid, hey we tried everything.

801
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 2: I'm out. Sorry, guys.

802
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: If you preserve that flexibility and you lose, oh well, Joe,

803
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: we'll go out this offseason to get whatever you need.

804
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 2: Stick around.

805
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: But if they do it now and fail and Baker

806
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 3: looking and be like.

807
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: The one thing, and this could sound like patting Nick

808
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: Nurse on the back a little bit too much. I

809
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: do think it's a different situation now than your past,

810
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: being that from top to bottom of the organization, people

811
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: have been very quick to just give rave reviews to

812
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: what Nick Nurse has done there. To bring back to

813
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee stuff. It is ironic that they fired Doc

814
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: Rivers the honest according to my sources another report and

815
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: doesn't want Nick Nurse, and now Doc Rivers is a

816
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Nick Nurse is taking ability to new heights. It

817
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: sounds like there is I mean, he goes back to

818
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: days as a Houston assistant and the Rio Grand Valley

819
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: head coach in that Rockets franchise when Darren Moorey was there.

820
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of deep rooted trust in place, and

821
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: I think the proof has been in the pudding so

822
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: far and how Tyris max He's taken a step forward.

823
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: Joel Embiid has gotten better than his MVP campaign last year. Yeah,

824
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of confidence and optimism right

825
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: now in Philly that with this coach and Tyris Maxi

826
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: next to him, Joel Embiid has never had a better

827
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: situation and he and it sounds like he've used it

828
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: as such as.

829
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: Well, Okay, he's sound bullish on the Sixers. It's early,

830
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 3: but who you got in the finals as of now,

831
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: regardless of what you had in the preseason.

832
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: Right now, I'll take Boston and Denver. I'm scared for

833
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: every team in the Western Conference about the Clippers. They

834
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: are looking like a real juggernaut. But right now, I

835
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: just think the Nuggets have the best five man lineup

836
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: in the game, and I taking Nikole Jokic in a

837
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: playoff series until proven otherwise. They've just they're so good,

838
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: They're so seamless and fluid together, and I think they're

839
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: only going to continue to I mean, every night you

840
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: see in Nikole Jokic behind the back over the head

841
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: pass to Aaron Gordon because he just like knows where

842
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: he is. Like, I think that continuity they've had that

843
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: be a benefit for them. I thought about it. I

844
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: remember in twenty nineteen, I went to Denver in the

845
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: fall of twenty nineteen and I interviewed Calvin Booth and

846
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: Tim Connolly and our Torres carnisorbs before those two guys

847
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: both left, and the big theme was, like that was

848
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: the summer that Kawhi and Paul George joined up in

849
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: the Clippers, and Katie and Kyrie went to Brooklyn, and

850
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: he had Russ and Harden and Houston. Like in this

851
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: era of all his player turnover and whatnot, Denver constantly

852
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: building upon what they've done before. I think is a

853
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: really big just competitive advantage to use that freight. Yeah,

854
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: and until until they're the throne. I'm taking the Nuggets.

855
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want, I really want my guy Luca in

856
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: the NBA finals. Just I don't know, it's just so tough.

857
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: The West his brutal. Even if the Pelicans slip up

858
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: and the Timberwolves come back a little, there's still, like

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Speaker 3: you said, Clippers, Nuggets, Kd's sons. I'm not counting out Lebron'slake.

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Speaker 3: The West is just absolutely brutal. Bro in the East.

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Speaker 3: It feels like three teams. We'll see about Miami.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, all right.

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Speaker 3: Jake Fisher Bleacher Report, obviously you got to check out

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Speaker 3: his book, Mandatory Reading for NBA Fans, Built to Lose.

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Speaker 3: How the NBA's tanking era changed the league forever, Unlike

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Speaker 3: last year where people were tanking for one Bin Yama

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Speaker 3: and he's playing great he just they can't win games,

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Speaker 3: so nobody cares. There's really nobody. I did one mock

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Speaker 3: draft for Fox Sports. There's not like a, oh, we

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Speaker 3: might as well start losing games for this guy that

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Speaker 3: just doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: No, it's definitely considered a down draft. But I'll say

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Speaker 1: Jalen Williams in Oklahoma City. His younger brother, Coody Akata.

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to hear a lot of people getting excited

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Speaker 1: about him. So keep your eyes and the ears peeled

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Speaker 1: for that name. More.

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Speaker 3: The older brother flew under the radar and was drafted

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Speaker 3: and you know, not much fanfare. They won't let it

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Speaker 3: happen again. It looks like he might be.

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Speaker 2: He could be a top five pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems possible at this point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. Jake Fisher, good stuff man. Enjoyed the

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Speaker 3: trade deadline. Thanks again, Thank you,